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Bonus: Athletics LLC S3 E37 'Moving Forward' December 23, 2022 · The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast

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Thanks for joining us again. How are you doing this evening,
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sir? I am great.
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I cannot believe it is four days from Christmas but other than
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that, I'm great. Awesome Governor how are you
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hold? The heat was turned off about 10
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minutes ago instructions you know once I get under the covers
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I'll be great bundle up time. It'll be the best sleep.
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Ever. But but yeah, just getting
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prepared for Asterix Lumen snowmageddon or whether mageddon
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Asterix, you know, next couple days.
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So we'll see hashtag Texas. I'll pray for you tomorrow
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because tomorrow, the lowest 10. And then we go down to 12.
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It's I can't wait. I mean it's going to be a
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helpful role of these next couple days are going to test
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the mettle of the Texans. Absolutely gosh delicious.
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How's the 72 games while doing for you?
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We only got up to about 59 today, 60, something there.
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But if it was overcast, Palm tree kind of day.
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Yes. See the sky behind me.
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That's that's, that's a photo, but that's basically what the
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sky looks like in California in the winter.
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Beautiful day. Yeah, I don't see any dollar
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signs up there because it's also hell of expensive.
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So, now, ya know how let us about how much that grid
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shutdown is gonna cost. The convention was great T & Kai
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our home. So all is good on the west coast
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and I've always got out. Shout out to everybody who
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participated first annual LLC Spades Tournament, the winners.
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Of course, TJ Harris and wow Marcus Brown.
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It's brown Marcus Brown. They chose not to take on the
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throne which is probably a good idea on their.
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Apart. They got their 800 and walked
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away smart men. I mean, that's what I would have
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done and will do it again next year.
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Yes, it will be on, it'll be on who we will, definitely put it
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on the docket. The second annual Athletics, LLC
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space tournament, we may have to eat, we have to get a solutions
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to join some of the festivities. Absolutely.
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Look at the smirk on his face already.
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I mean space. In the afternoon sir Lucius
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enjoyed Denver much like so losers, enjoy the hole in the
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head I could tell that. Just so for the record I'm not,
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he has family there. I really enjoyed my time with my
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in-laws I okay. Okay.
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Right. Some of the other foolishness
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and tomfoolery the goes on there.
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I will pass every single time. Yes Mania.
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I got it. Fight it to go ski and I left,
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right? I was like you times happen to
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me what are we going to go? Where do I will be officiating?
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The state tournament again inside.
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All right, well speaking of the convention, of course, what we
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all wait for every year and build up to is the Bowerman
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Awards. And simply put, did they get it
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right men's side, we had tray Cunningham ones for the men.
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And on the women's side, we had a be Steiner.
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When what do we think? Mmm, no on the men's side.
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I I think there's just my opinion.
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I am not saying tration one, but I don't think people really
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understand what hate knowing still are met, did right?
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I don't think people give enough credit to the multis.
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So I want to give a shout-out to Aidan and his coaches, because
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they're phenomenal season, he had, but I don't think you go
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wrong with either one of them. And, you know, Dre was
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undefeated, you know, he he's number two.
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And I will leave it at that, and yeah, he did.
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He had to get a phenomenal season.
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So, I don't think you can discount, what Ray did I think
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that anybody should my opinion? She stand up and be screaming
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because he won the award. On the women's side, as I
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watched them in, watch the videos as they presume and every
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video you watch you like how does she not win right then the
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next one. How does she not win?
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How does she not win? And I mean, I think it's the
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same thing and, you know on another controversial topic
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there was one or two people who could have been on the stage as
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well. Write it, how did she know it?
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And so, I think what the women it was a lot tougher.
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It's hard to go against the young lady that did.
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What would a be did I'm just going to give a shout out to
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time and so I lost your name. Just camera Rogers.
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Hold my God. I mean, it's like it was one
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thing to talk about it and then it was another thing to see it
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in writing and then you watch the video and you're like, oh my
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God, right? Like the top seven of the top
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ten throws in history in one season and it's just it's
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incredible. And so, I mean, the woman's was
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just tougher in, no matter who you pick, there's going to be
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two other people who keep the people thought should win.
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You know, you look at what your house.
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A little biased towards in it. And again I want to say this to
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people out there. Somebody really needs to take a
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good hard. Look at when multi-bit people do
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special things because they're doing seven or ten events not
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doing one of them. They're doing seven, that is
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counted as one so. And I don't say that because of
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Anna, I said it because of Aden I said because of the lemon
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Victors and people like that out of the past that they did it.
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Well, And I'm not saying that Anna should have one or that age
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of the one, I just don't think that did multi-vendor get the
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credit that they deserve. But hey, I don't know how you go
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wrong with a b or Trey. Both phenomenal.
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Young people who have absolutely incredible Seasons represented
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themselves. Their families are universities
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very well. If I may go next I'm just going
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to say a few things and probably set up my colleagues here for
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for the axe Hammer that I'm sure they want to drop.
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Okay, the only thing that I am for sure that the Bowerman got
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right, is that John Anderson needs to be there every year and
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I don't give a damn how they make it happen.
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Pay him do something because I can't imagine anyone else
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hosting that event. He's always phenomenal.
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And Even this and his jokes were so perfectly Petty inaccurate
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from us being in Denver to the whole to the whole thing.
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You know, if you were there you understand he was phenomenal,
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the women and and I mean this with all due respect, because as
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he pointed out all of those people are world-class Elite
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human beings. They are all deserving of being
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on that stage. Jasmine more should have been on
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the stage. And you can't argue and say this
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person wasn't good enough to win, cause they're all gonna
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swim, but no, they didn't get that right.
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Cameron Rogers should have won that award.
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It's, it's a NCAA Year award and no one has ever or will ever
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dominate their competition or the NCAA the way Cameron Rogers.
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Just did, you'll never see it again, you I won't and because
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of the throws and the food field events are often outshined by
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more glamorous things that would have been the perfect time to
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get it right and I don't think they got that one right like
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understanding what that woman did.
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Even John Anderson made reference to it in his speeches
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along the way. It was the most dominant season
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ever. And again, her Mark is like
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number six or seven, all time in the event, not in the NCAA in
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the world. So now I don't think they got
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what that one right. I think Trey over over eight
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Nolan's was correct won't split that hair props to both of them
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and and something that we touched on the last thing.
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I wanted to throw out there is If you watch the live show in
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real time, qu got to read a statement that we didn't read
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him full. I've since read the statement in
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full and as it pertains to the Bowerman, I want to say this if
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it is true that the Bowerman committee or the alphabet crew
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or whatever asked Randolph, Ross to carry their water and not
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showing up, that is dead wrong. It's not his responsibility to
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carry your water. If that happened, that's a
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cowardly act by the alphabet crew.
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Or the Bowerman committee. However he shouldn't have been
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there and rightfully so that he wasn't the don't ask him to
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carry your water for you that's cowardly and that's my thoughts
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on the back. You know, I'm going to jump in
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there because I think everybody's expecting me to go
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last. Be some gigantic Hammer.
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I can be a hammer from third. No, pun intended.
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All right. Look I'm going to start by
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stating the obvious and I'll be as brief as possible.
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One, those who know me know I went to Cal so clearly anything
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I say about a cow laughing that's going to be in some way
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shape or form jaded because it is my school.
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Got it too. I'm a field of enter and in
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particular combined inventor. So clearly anything I say about
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field events or combined events or this case, both are going are
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also going to be jaded, got it? But three and I think these are
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the big ones. I am a humongous fan of Abby
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Steiner. Humongous.
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I am ridiculously impressed by what traded.
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No, not the fries, see the grid is already started to clothing
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tips to. Oh, there you are.
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You got to back that up because the grid started to get you all
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ready? All right.
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You're a tremendous anyway, long story short, is this like look,
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I'm a huge fan of everybody who I believe it was on who was on
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the dais and and and you know, Trey will never unfortunately
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get his, his, his do because he has a bad birthday.
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Like being Grant set bars that are just pretty much darn near
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impossible to get to someday someday, maybe but whatever I
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think on the men's side you could have flipped a coin like I
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could make a very strong argument for Aidan.
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I could make the equally strong maybe even stronger argument for
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Trey, I had no issue with it. When women side you could have
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picked any one of four people and made a strong argument for
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it. And yes, I said for and I'm
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never getting off. I'm a die on that hill.
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Just so we're clear. I'm going to die on that Hill.
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Jasmine more should have been there and I'm going to die on
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that hill. But that all of that
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notwithstanding, I'll just say this.
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John Anderson is unbiased for the most part.
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I think we all pretty much agree.
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He might, he might be a slight SEC Homer only because he knows
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those people more because he covers that meat.
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I don't think he is, but if you're going to accuse him of
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anything, you could accuse him of that.
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And with that being said, he said during the Bowerman.
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The cam Rogers had the best Collegiate season in any event
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by any one ever, ever. Don't forget that word ever look
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how I was I was pausing for effect, so so I say this, if
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that is true and I think we all kind of agree with John, like,
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when he says things right? He doesn't usually say things
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that we feel are controversial or wrong, but if that is true,
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then there can only only be one winner of this year's Bowerman.
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Right, like when you have 11 of the top 10 marks.
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Yep. I said 11, when you have 11 of
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the top 10 marks in Collegiate history, in any event, And you
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had said, I want parts of all you got to paraphrase, that's
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the top level Market. We know, I said it, the way I
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wanted to say because I want people to be paying attention.
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You just tell everybody you went to Cal so yeah, I did.
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So you'll figure it out. It's like quantum.
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Physics point is is really simple, right?
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Like when you own everything that they only, they only keep
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record books publicly for the top 10, right?
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If you won't, when they like the best throws, Including history
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by our by Cameron Rogers. And seven of them happened this
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year. Like it's just No matter what
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you do, no matter how good anybody else is seizing was like
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Cameron Rogers, not winning it just kind of is going to fall
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short. Now, do I have an issue with a
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be winning know, whatever had an issue with, with an a-hole
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winning. No.
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But if I had a vote, which I don't, it wasn't difficult for
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me to vote for Cameron Rogers. And she could have gone to
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Stanford, I would have said the same like, like at the end of
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the day that level of dominance is just almost impossible to do
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at the Collegiate level, So I don't think they got it right.
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But I mean you look it's not the most egregious thing on the
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planet. I mean again nobody's going to
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ever complain that Abby Steiner one about meant.
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No, not at all. Well, speaking of some female
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sprinters, you cut off, don't know.
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Cut off the governor. Oh, shoot, sorry.
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Well, good. I'll keep it short and sweet as
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well because I believe everyone else on his panel, pretty much
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echo, my thoughts, my sentiments.
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And you know this this was my first This is my first Bauman
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like to actually and I've been at several conventions and just
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didn't go, but to sit in there in that room and to have those
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athletes be appreciated and given their flowers and I mean,
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John Anderson was unbelievable. Unbelievable.
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The the end, of course, the ones that can understand a snark.
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The underhand comments and all of that though, I thought I
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turned several times to Clyde to see him to see what he was
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looking like, it was just like he was loving every minute of
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it, you know. And it was like keep it coming
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but as far as, you know, I understand And I'm just going to
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leave it there. I understand why the two winners
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of the Bauman were picked. I get it.
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Okay. And, you know, the only thing I
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could say is that, you know, the Barrowman is, it's not a
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technical, it's not a technical award.
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It's not it's not an award. That is based on here are the
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numbers. Here are the facts.
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It is a it is an award. It is the Heisman, right?
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And how many times we wash the Heisman and sat there and going
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wait a minute really? And it is what it is.
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You know, when you when you have a committee that has to make
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these decisions, I mean I don't envy them whatsoever.
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And I do agree that could have been for women.
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This this year was very, very unique because you if you really
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dug into what female athletes did this year in the NCAA, I'm
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telling you it was pretty phenomenal, you know.
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So all that being said, I get it and let's move on.
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Yeah, I mean I don't think anybody says much variance as to
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what has been said already. So shout-out to a thing.
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No, for the catwalk oh Bravo nominal done.
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Then she sold it. Jones.
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So as you bring up her name, let's speak about her.
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And some others of some recent movement that's been brought to
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light. There have been a few athletes
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male and female 11 male 3, females who have made a move and
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call it if you would portal. Ask they have changed coaches,
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right? Like ya don't even get me
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started on the portal today to portal ask and Who are now being
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coached by Bobby Kersey. Who of those individuals, I
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think Moe, Jenna prandini Kenny Harrison.
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Brandon Miller do we think is going to fare best?
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There's a location change, but of mention of mention, Well, I
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mean it's a thing. It's, it's a grand slam home,
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run. Anybody that knows about weaker.
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See, you know? You shouldn't challenge box, you
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shouldn't let Bobby know that you doubting him and talking
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crap behind his back. And so when people have put it
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out into the ether for Bobby to either read or have somebody
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read to him that it was a dumb move, that she's not going to be
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successful that she can't do this.
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You are guaranteeing something incredibly special.
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So I want to thank the haters. Because you're going to see
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something special because that's not the guy to challenge, he
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will get it figured out, I can promise you, he's thinking world
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record in the 800 and he's probably at some point.
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I'm going to have the two fastest Americans women ever in
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the 400m. Leave it right there.
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Go for it. Yes, I'll just say this one
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additional piece to everything that Solutions just said.
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everybody who's ever been otherworldly successful as
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someone like Bobby has been Praise at night for a challenge.
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Bobby has coached gold medalists in the for on the women's side,
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the for the to the 100 hurdles 400 hurdles, guess what?
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He hasn't coached the gold medalist in yet.
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And I think it's laughable that people think that it will not be
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successful. When me Bobby got Jackie, who is
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a severe asthmatic to run sub to tannin and 800 in a heptathlon?
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So look, I'm looking forward to this because this is something
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none of us have ever seen. Bobby, Kersey coaching a half
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mile, ER, professionally. And I know that he is at home
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like this and I am at home like this with the popcorn because I
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can't wait to see what happens when when a signal goes through
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the first 400 in like 50, 18, or some crazy.
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Easy nonsense. I'm sure it won't really happen
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but you know what I'm saying? Like he's going to take them to
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a place that nobody wants to go. She's already.
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Doing that started taking them places.
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They don't want to go so yeah, I don't I won't say I don't think
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it'll be close but I think the happiest person that Bobby, the
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Bobby has it that they move there as a thing mode.
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Like so for me, you know, if anyone knows me I enjoy the
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story behind the story, more than the story and as to your
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point Lamar, I'm looking forward to see how, how is he going to
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structure this young lady? And I say that because You know,
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for those of us that are, you know, professionals at what we
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do, I mean what we witness, so far with the thing mode we've
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seen her, do it in many different ways.
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We've seen her run fast, taking it out and sitting in the pack,
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we've seen her, take it out and say, hey, I'm taking you all out
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into the deep end if you choose to go with me.
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So be it, if not, I'm just curious as to how, you know,
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because anybody that knows Bobby curse.
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Is that he is very meticulous and he has a plan, and he will
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have a plan much like what we saw Woods would Sydney.
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And it was a sight to behold when we saw this thing play out,
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right? And you think about where it
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started from running the 60 hurdles indoors running on a her
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off leg. Right now, we're seeing we're
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seeing the plan being put in motion, okay?
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You're going to go to New York and you're going to run on your
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off leg in front of your home fans, right?
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And you're going to keep doing this until it becomes natural to
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you, right? And then we're going to take
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that and we're going to throw that into the for hurdles and
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we're going to hit hurdle times and and split time.
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It's faster than anyone's ever seen before, and I'm just
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curious to see how Bobby attacks, you know, because I
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can't think for any. I can't think that there's any
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other reason why I think Moe would choose to move to Bobby.
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Other than we're going for it. I have I have won titles.
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I've done all of these great things.
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Now, I Want To Make History. So yeah, I mean, That I'm on the
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same. The same boat.
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I'm gonna thing mole boat and I can't wait to see.
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So, I'm not going to disagree with anything that's said and
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obviously my choice is also a Thing mo.
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But I'm I come to that from a slightly different angle and
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perspective. If the question ultimately is,
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which of the new arrivals, right?
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Well, all of them are extremely talented.
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I mean, Kenny used to have the world record just not too long
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ago in her primary event, right? I don't know if we've seen the
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best of Kenny. And if anybody can, can build on
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what she already has been. Yeah.
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You bet on Bobby Kersey. I don't know if we've seen the
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best of Jenna prandini but where she is in her career and given
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her age, I'll bet on Bobby Kersey.
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Brandon Miller is an extremely nice Talent.
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He's young. Obviously, I don't even know
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what to think about his move out there other than he's in bobbi's
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hand. So it'll probably go well,
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right? but the youngest and by far the
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most gifted is a Thing mo. And last I checked, she's
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already the Olympic champion, she's already the world
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champion, she already the u.s. record holder.
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So No matter who you're a fan of what event, you like, more,
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regardless of whatever you think about Bobby, Kersey, fan or Foe,
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the obvious choice of who should be the best of this transition
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should be the Unicorn who's already accomplished and, you
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know, conquered the world. I believe that at the end of
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this, A Thing mo is going to do something more special and more
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jaw-dropping than what David rudisha did with the men. 800.
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I can't wait to see it and if you're familiar with Lala or
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understand you know the west coast and the pitfalls that are
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off the track, then you might you might think that the
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youngest in the group is going to be the most accessible the
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most acceptable susceptible to What I call La culture, because
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it is a thing and l.a. culture has ruined too many athletes in
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a many college kids, and a many things.
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But if you've ever met this young lady, if you've ever
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actually had a conversation with her, I was lucky enough to spend
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a few days, hanging out and talking with her mother in
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Orlando at the Olympic experience, that NBC had put on,
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That young lady, I don't care what her ages mentally, she is
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years beyond what her age says, she is.
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And I have no worry about l.a. culture ruining her career and
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if anything and like I said, if you were at the Barrowman don't
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think for one second that part of this move wasn't also
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business off the track. I think she's going to thrive in
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all areas and I hope I hope that her and Sid.
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Become the poster children of this Sport and their names and
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images, and likenesses are plastered all over Billboards
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and television. Because there they are that good
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and that's what exactly what they deserve.
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And if anybody can step into that pressure and own it, I'll
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bet. My, I'll bet my money on a thing
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mode. Sorry about that.
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We had a light flickering still scary.
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No, leave it there thing though. We're going to see the fruits
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come from that first, and I don't think many else will
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disagree, and it'll be interesting to see how it all
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plays out and everything. And how much how everyone in
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that group will fare? So kind of leading off of that.
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Female-led topic, coming off, that female, that topic after
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the world championships, do we think the American women?
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Well, hold their own against the Jamaican woman.
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So this is coming from different aspects, talking about a
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different points. But you know, we saw a reference
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to this and social media today are not today this week, I'm
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sorry. You know, how do we feel about
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that that statement? I think the governor has to go
31:06
first on that. so, Up until that that post was made on World
31:21
Athletics. I honestly thought the woman USA
31:25
woman had won that battle. And, you know, it's not
31:31
something that is, you know, talked about, you know,
31:35
particularly, you know, it is, this is not ncaa's, you're not,
31:39
you're not, this is not a team title or anything like that.
31:44
But it does speak volumes that after.
31:48
What we witnessed with the woman's throws, the u.s. woman
31:52
throws the, you know, the breakthroughs in the jumps that
32:01
the Jamaican woman were so dominant.
32:05
In the hundred, 200 the hurdles, the, you know, the four by one,
32:12
the 4 by 4. That, that actually overcame any
32:17
of the gains that the u.s. woman made in the throwing it in the
32:20
field events. So, all that being said, I think
32:28
the future is bright for us. Women, I think outside of a few
32:33
athletes that are retiring and moving on, with their careers.
32:40
They're this, this we're entering I think a golden age
32:44
for the US women and the challenge and the moves that
32:51
were made speaking of what just happened with I thing and and
32:56
and Company. I think the challenge is clear
33:00
that the u.s. woman are going to have to fight and Claw and
33:06
scratch in the Sprint events and A hurdle events and they have
33:11
the talent. I don't think there's any ever
33:14
been a question of how much talent the world the US women
33:18
possess, but they're there at some point there has to be, you
33:24
know, some some Moxie, you know, to step into that ring and go up
33:29
against some of the greatest sprinters that we've ever seen
33:33
in history of the sport. So, it's an exciting time.
33:37
I feel like the woman have what it's the u.s. women have was has
33:42
what it takes. And you know it's I can't wait
33:48
to see the, I mean I've got my popcorn ready for that too.
33:56
I was going to back up and say I think that you know there was
33:59
like a 1-point difference in Podium places.
34:01
You know points. Yes the Jamaican come maker on
34:05
top and obviously the lacking was in the one, the two, and the
34:09
four. Yep.
34:10
No. So I think the question begs to
34:13
what do we do to get better in those areas and it comes down
34:17
to, I think do better planning better coaching better, whatever
34:21
it takes. X because we're not close to
34:24
them in those areas right now. Without doubt they, perform are
34:26
behind them in the for the were nowhere near at the championship
34:31
level anyway, where they are in the one of the two circles you
34:34
have to say, just say it starts with the four.
34:39
I think the the weakest area, the area that could be attacked
34:45
is the 400. Well, I think that it's all
34:48
three of them when you stop and think about it because we didn't
34:50
we didn't perform well in any of those mean.
34:52
I think that we were a competent in the to but we were totally
34:58
incompetent in the other ones and I think that for me, you
35:01
look at the u.s. list and you have three or four girls at 110
35:05
9, but yet we do have a medalist you know, we're not even close
35:08
to him, that Elijah. Say that, you know, the one we
35:11
better realize 10-8. Today is not fast anymore,
35:14
right? And two, we better realize that
35:17
you can't run 1070, something that the championship you're not
35:19
going to metal and you got to be able to run 1080 or better at
35:23
the Championships. Two metal not just To get there.
35:27
So I think the key here for me is better planning with training
35:32
as far as being at our best. When it counts the most, and
35:35
stepping up our game and understand that we even though
35:38
we have some Bright Young stars and I can't believe I'm about to
35:43
say this fugazi time-traveling will not get us a medal.
35:47
Okay. All right, that's too good.
35:52
That was that was that was John Stockton.
35:57
Which is why I don't appreciate the question the way it is
36:09
phrased because say the words again to it's amazing you don't
36:16
appreciate the question because the question is petty as hell.
36:19
Yes, I appreciate the pettiness of, I don't appreciate the way
36:23
it is phrased. The question is after the
36:27
performance at this year's World Championship, we think the
36:31
American women were hold her own against the Jamaican women
36:35
moving forward. And and so hold their own is
36:38
very interesting. Very, very American elitist way
36:44
to ask that question because it's almost like if we're not
36:48
dominating the world, then all of a sudden were not holding our
36:51
own. If you look at it,
36:52
mathematically, we lost by one point.
36:55
But, but the question wasn't related to the one-point loss?
36:59
I'm questioning And black.
37:26
So I know we are around the right definitely most definitely
37:31
holding our own as it pertains to the what was referenced
37:37
already as far as which team is putting out better results when
37:42
it comes to the Sprints and short hurdles.
37:47
And I'm going to focus primarily on the hundred because that's
37:50
probably the spirit in which whoever posed that question is
37:54
coming from. So here's the price and I want
37:56
to push the pause button for one second.
37:58
Sorry you put your little girl little girl face.
38:00
All right, the question pertains to the one, the two and the
38:03
four. You can't tell the person asking
38:05
the question. What the question pertains to
38:07
it's? Not your question is there?
38:09
Well, they didn't make that clear sir.
38:11
Hence, why I am making, I am making it clear now, but I
38:15
didn't need that because I already said I'm gonna focus on
38:17
honey because they don't you Federal folks 100 because that's
38:21
what they were pertaining to. That's what you said.
38:24
Yep. Mmm.
38:26
Yep. You're not allowed to finish.
38:27
You can finish. It is just don't put words in
38:29
people's mouths. Don't think for other people.
38:31
Just just say what you have to say, please.
38:34
I'm trying. No, no, you're not.
38:36
You trying to people for some people's mouths.
38:41
A little girl face. All you want to bother me?
38:43
I'm sure that. Would you let me say what you
38:51
want. So, go ahead, go ahead.
38:57
All right. Now, anyway like I said, I'm
38:59
going to focus on 104 now. We are absolutely holding our
39:04
own. We talked about on this show,
39:05
often the realities of birthdays and keeping this conversation.
39:11
Clean pun intended right now. Shelly-Ann, and Elaine Thompson
39:19
have whichever way you want to slice, it establish themselves
39:23
as the goat and the other goat of women's hundred meter racing.
39:29
They are Elite. They have been in their Rhymes
39:32
for a very long time in the best that we have As Americans are
39:36
literally rookies. So, I don't know in what world.
39:41
Anybody expects rookies to be able to step in and unseat the
39:45
goats that doesn't happen in any sport it.
39:49
Damn sure is not about to happen right now.
39:52
So, Melissa Jefferson TT, Terry. Whoever it is you want to talk
39:58
about their phenomenal talents, they are developing well, as of
40:03
this moment and I only expect them to get better, they're in
40:07
the finals, they're supposed to be in and holding their own is a
40:12
very curious term, Abby, Steiner Etc.
40:18
When put together we beat them in relay so they're more than
40:23
capable. Capable of holding their own.
40:26
I think it's just a matter of do I see Shelly and losing to an
40:29
American before. She hangs up the spikes in a
40:32
world championship or an Olympics.
40:33
No. Do I see in lanes?
40:35
And taking that L? Probably not.
40:38
So ultimately this becomes a story about Sharika Jackson,
40:42
who's the youngest of the group and do we think that the
40:45
Americans can ultimately challenge her?
40:47
I believe that they can in the hundred, not sure about the
40:51
deuce. I don't think, you know, Have
40:54
anybody that that is at her Talent level introduced that can
40:58
ultimately push where she's going to take that event but I
41:02
think we're very close to the end of the sweeps happening
41:05
because Shelly and Elaine can't run forever especially Shelly.
41:10
So I think it's an accident of timing more than an issue of you
41:17
know, development or who we have, I very much like our young
41:21
crop with one exception, they've all shown Shown that they can
41:24
get it done under bright lights and rise to the pressure of the
41:28
world stage. And so as long as those people
41:31
continue to be coached well and continue to do the right things,
41:34
I think we'll end up with a medal in the next couple Cycles,
41:37
World, Champs Olympics, whatever.
41:40
But unseating the goats highly unlikely I would just the only
41:46
retort I have for you to that one sir is and we had a medalist
41:50
as Carmelita Jeter in 2012. So now we're changing the
41:57
question to go back. No no, no, no.
42:01
I'm not gonna let you do that. My question is very simple one.
42:06
Have we had a medalist since 2012?
42:11
I don't believe we had. So historically actually yes,
42:13
yes we have. What's your name?
42:19
Florida. Jesus London 17 in the end
42:26
Olympic 16 Tori. Bowie.
42:28
So we're going got medals in both those both those World
42:30
Championships. So so, so in the last 10 years
42:32
is that one person metal history.
42:35
Doesn't show that the development that you speak of is
42:37
going to happen. I hope it does.
42:40
The the new rookies are in the hands of different people, I
42:43
hope it does. But history does not bode well
42:47
for the u.s. and I make a and Jamaica and then just the world
42:53
juniors. As the EP loves, it's a is a
42:55
great indicator of the future of the sport.
42:58
Jamaica just went 1-2 at the world, you're denying it.
43:02
Yep. All fair the, the best of our
43:06
youth are not in the hands of situations.
43:10
So we'll see. Well I'm not going to change the
43:19
question. I want to ask my own.
43:20
Damn question make sure you interrupt him because the
43:26
question in particular strikes me listen I mean do you watch
43:32
the show you know I am I'm a field event I'm a field and
43:37
track guy, right? So at the end of the day I went
43:41
back and looked at the scores and I was Like okay, I get it.
43:44
Like they did score. One more Point than we did and I
43:46
like how they did it because they did a much better job at
43:49
their typical strengths than we did.
43:52
But what I find interesting is I think if you asked anybody going
43:56
the going into this year's World Championships, should we have
44:00
scored in these events? The answer would be yes. 1500
44:03
Steeplechase women's hides up, women's 100 hurdles and we just
44:07
heard any of those, right? So if we score in any of those
44:10
were not, this question isn't even asked.
44:13
No, apparently this question isn't about that.
44:15
Well, I just got to stop by that.
44:17
We're not doing that. We will see.
44:21
This is this is my chance to talk me stop.
44:23
Cuz I cuz nobody yet. Look, I think that the thought
44:55
of us not having the greatest track and field nation is
45:01
laughable, right? Because I I think in the next 2
45:07
so the world championships in the Olympics.
45:09
I think, on the women's side, we will probably be relatively
45:15
dominant because I don't think that the women stores are going
45:18
anywhere. I do think somebody like Jasmine
45:22
more and somebody like Tori Franklin are going to push
45:25
forward and battle for metals and like I said the 1500
45:30
Steeplechase high jump 100 hurdles.
45:32
We've Metals in those before and Full-on expect for us to meddle
45:36
in most, if not all of those. Again I think almost all of our
45:40
performances from World Championships are repeatable now
45:44
directly to the specificity of the implied.
45:48
Portion of this question, which is because look at the end of
45:52
the day that you make is only going to compete against us in
45:54
the Sprint's, right? Like they're not having this
45:56
conversation about like we're a better track, Nation track
45:59
meeting, track and field. Like we're a better Spirit
46:01
nation and I think going forward like at the end.
46:04
The day. If you're if you're a prospector
46:09
right there, top and talent is better than ours, but their top
46:15
end. Talent is substantially older.
46:17
The question is going to be very simple will Melissa Jeffress in
46:24
and TT Terry and Gabby and Abby push their way into the metals
46:33
before the to Jamaicans. Junior's we just saw.
46:39
Get seasoned enough, right? So like we have the got, we have
46:42
the women in the gap between the goats and the young'uns point,
46:49
and that point that has to be belated belabored, we're talking
46:54
about the greatest generation of Jamaican sprinters in their
46:59
history. Yes, I mean, he came Merlin out
47:03
of the equation. Merlin doesn't line up with
47:06
these young ladies and beat them.
47:09
This is the greatest group of Jamaican Spinners.
47:12
We passed. I would just like to remind you
47:14
guys that the question is, will we hold our on moving forward?
47:19
And I was in a lot of ways this year,
47:32
because we start the supercycle, right?
47:35
We start the natural world championship Olympic world.
47:38
Championship, right? We start that.
47:41
So like everything has happened before this.
47:43
Like now we're not dealing with Kovac these.
47:44
This is when we were supposed to be world's Olympics worlds, and
47:48
at the end of the day, it comes down to whether the people I
47:51
name because look, others may be may become Pretenders to the
47:54
throne and if they do great, you know, if the Lea hobbes's and
47:58
and others of the world, we've also run very fast show the
48:01
ability to make a final. Then I'll talk about them too,
48:03
but the group that I just mentioned, They have to go about
48:09
their work this year feeling as if it's a metal or nothing.
48:15
If they can do that and push forward and can make that
48:18
happen, then I'll say, will do more than will do more than hold
48:22
our own. But at the end of the day, we
48:23
have a small window right? The two young'uns from Jamaica.
48:28
Are going to struggle to get high level International
48:31
competition because of the three goats in front of them.
48:37
So we have to while we have this gap between them and them we
48:42
have to figure out if we can get in that game.
48:45
Gap and make a difference, my guess is.
48:49
Yes, but I know this that window ain't open wide.
48:55
We got about two years for that group, that I mentioned to make
48:59
themselves more than sort of relevant, we got about two years
49:03
for them to be legitimate, you know, to be like, tyloo
49:08
everybody knows to lose going to be in the final and she's going
49:11
to be in the frame. She hasn't forgotten, she hasn't
49:14
been third yet, right? But she's in the front, she's in
49:17
the frame. So we got about a year and a
49:21
half two years at most to get that crew in the frame.
49:24
Yeah. Because the babies will arrive
49:26
by Allah. Yeah, I don't think they arrive
49:29
by Paris but they going to ride by la.
49:34
All right. so, Not relatives. The question prior please
49:42
delineation has been made. Where do we think we are in
49:46
regards to War on Drugs? Aside from losing?
49:52
Can we get to a good place if so how I know, just losing to the
50:01
drugs. No, I think we're losing the War
50:07
on Drugs phraseology, right? Like, I don't know how you win,
50:23
quote unquote, a war on track and field drugs.
50:25
Other than the sport is completely clean.
50:27
And so then every time somebody gets busted or somebody you know
50:32
removes themselves from The Fray via whereabouts, I guess in
50:35
theory we're making the sport cleaner.
50:38
So in that regard I don't think we are losing.
50:41
We I mean we are limiting drug cheats no question about it.
50:45
I don't know if we're eliminating them all by any
50:46
means and I think that's where the losing terminology comes
50:50
about. But at the end of the day this
50:53
to me the answer to this question is very simple.
50:58
We never make real advancements in. catching drug cheats,
51:05
because the doctors and chemists on the side of right are behind
51:17
the doctors and chemists on the side overall, Right, like
51:22
everybody who is who was testing positive and getting banned and
51:27
such in the last will say, in the last Olympiad, they're
51:31
testing positive for things that to olympiads before they could
51:35
very well have been on, and we never would have busted them.
51:39
Right. So like as soon as the good side
51:42
figures out that this helps athletes the people who are in
51:50
that realm to cheat have moved on to the next thing because the
51:56
best way, if you're going to be a drug cheap, the best way to do
51:58
it is use things that aren't being tested for Right like
52:03
human growth hormone like ruled the sport for more than a decade
52:08
because there wasn't a test for it.
52:10
We weren't doing blood testing EPO ruled the sport for the
52:14
better part of a decade for the same reason.
52:17
And so, you know, look, I would love to be naive enough to think
52:21
like, yeah, we're catching more drug cheats, but at the end of
52:25
the day, like we're still catching people who were doing
52:28
things, like stew nozzle. All like, do come on, that's
52:32
Ben. Tonight's in the 80s, right?
52:35
Clenbuterol, so at the end of the day, like I would love to
52:40
believe that we, we were progressing because we are, but
52:44
I think the only way to like, truly run a clean sport is like,
52:48
you'd have to have the best Chemists in the best.
52:52
You probably need a snitch, like you probably need a drug cheat.
52:57
To decode some things. For the doctors on the good
53:02
side. So that you knew what next to
53:05
test for. Because that's where it's coming
53:07
to their layers here. Layers that we will never see
53:13
and never understand. That's perfect.
53:16
I don't know how you ever win a war when you don't know who
53:20
you're fighting. Yeah, you know, is impossible
53:24
when that war. I'm not sure how you ever win a
53:26
war when the weapons are constantly changing?
53:31
And I don't know how your win a war when I don't think the world
53:35
really wants to be 1. Let's write that part that part
53:39
right there, sir. That's that's the problem.
53:41
And so they were the day until the powers that be put rules in
53:46
place to make the drugs cheat. Stop cheating.
53:51
You know there's there's more uproar about where you know
53:58
people missing test and we ever hear about people that feel well
54:02
and you know we're still talking about now.
54:05
The people that fills test back in B12, and 20 this and at the
54:10
end of the day, again, just simple for me.
54:13
I don't know how you win a war. That I'm not sure that once that
54:17
wants to be one. so, I have two scenarios that That pretty much
54:30
accurately describe the situation.
54:33
Well, one scenario that accurately describes the
54:35
situation we're in. So said, drug cheat goes out
54:42
wins a whole bunch of medals has a two, three, four year span
54:49
where they are on top of their game.
54:54
They get hurt, whatever it is, you get a phone call, whatever,
54:59
whatever. And then they quit, and then
55:02
they move on, right? So, they've won the accolades.
55:06
They've gotten a sponsorship, they've gotten all of these
55:08
great things. They're riding High, okay?
55:12
A move on and 10 years later. They get a phone call that what
55:21
they were using back then has been found and they are now
55:27
caught. so, Now, you're talking about 5-10 years after the fact
55:36
and the person that was second or third or whatever is now
55:43
elevated, right? And that person is given is
55:47
rightly given the metal because of said drug cheat.
55:52
Now, if that is winning. If that is what you know, or
56:00
current world Athletics feels like winning, then I'm sure
56:07
listen to Demons has some words for you.
56:11
Okay? And they're probably not some
56:13
very nice words but this is where we're at.
56:17
Okay? And the whole point of keeping
56:20
blood samples and all of that stuff is to make sure And to
56:27
follow up and to follow up again and to follow up again.
56:31
And at the end of the day. Yes, it might, you know, it's
56:37
way after the fact But hey look, we caught him. okay, now I will
56:48
also say this I remember when I was doing my masters in sports
56:55
sports management, drugs drug cheating, is brought up and the
57:01
idea was floated that the reason why the NFL NHL major leagues
57:08
took all drugs and put them in the substance abuse policy.
57:15
Right. And just kind of labeled it that
57:20
in order to move on with the season with whatever is because
57:29
they they're they're their standpoint and their approach to
57:34
the fans. And all of that was, this is not
57:37
going to derail our season. We're going to keep things
57:40
moving. So whether it's an
57:42
antihistamine, or it's the nazan all Or whatever it is.
57:46
You violated a League policy. Here's your, here's your
57:50
punishment. Let's move on.
57:53
And that's what we're seeing on that end, right?
57:56
And they consider themselves a professional sport.
58:01
Okay, on the other hand, World Athletics is still in a
58:07
situation where we are going to get to the root of the problem
58:12
even though it's 10 15 years down the road and when it does
58:16
happen, hey it's going to be big news and this innocent that
58:20
we're going to knock on the shin, the Demas has door and
58:22
we're going to handle that. At metal that she earned 15
58:26
years ago. and that's the part that they might consider
58:32
winning. But it's it certainly has a
58:38
stink to it in my opinion. And I don't know that there's
58:43
any fixed to this. I don't think there's any fixed
58:47
to this because, as Lamar put it very succinctly, the people that
58:53
are trying to catch the drug, cheaters are literally sitting
58:57
there waiting for a sample. They're literally, they're
59:02
literally waiting for an anomaly right?
59:06
And God bless him. There's some patient people.
59:10
Because it's not something that just pops up on your computer
59:14
every day, right? So it's, in my opinion, we are
59:20
not winning the war and I don't think there's any way to win the
59:25
war. I will vehement Lee disagree
59:33
respectfully with the governor. I think you absolutely can win
59:39
the war. I agree with sir lucious that
59:44
right now. I don't think anybody's really
59:48
trying to win the war. I think it's more of an attitude
59:52
of we want to look like we're fighting it.
59:56
Well, And, you know, I will say this, I think given the context
1:00:03
of the 70s, the 80s, the 90s early 2000s, I think, and I hope
1:00:09
that the sport is cleaner now than it's ever been.
1:00:13
I actually do believe that to be true, but I don't think that
1:00:18
anyone that matters is actually really, really serious about
1:00:23
eliminating to whatever degree you can.
1:00:27
The Ooh, of doping in our sport if you want to do it.
1:00:32
Here's how you do it. Number one, you make the
1:00:36
punishment. So severe that people actually
1:00:39
have to consider if they want to go down that route because let's
1:00:43
be real those that Have the moral compass that will allow
1:00:47
them to defraud the sport. They don't really care about
1:00:50
these two-year four-year bands, they don't get they money
1:00:53
anyway. You there has to be restitution.
1:00:57
There has to be a way for athlete X y&z who were defrauded
1:01:02
out of their medals to be able to Sue.
1:01:06
There has to be a financial compensation.
1:01:08
For being caught, there has to be Financial repercussions for
1:01:14
missing your whereabouts. When you start affecting
1:01:17
people's pockets, then you can get to a place where you are
1:01:22
starting to take it as seriously as it needs to.
1:01:24
I have always been a fan of Lifetime bans.
1:01:30
I don't want to hear all this middle round shit.
1:01:34
If you get caught, Positive with illegal substances in your
1:01:40
system. You should have to go find
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another profession period and the story.
1:01:45
I don't really care about the excuses.
1:01:48
If we go to Lifetime bans and financial restitution, I think
1:01:54
you eliminate 99% of people that even consider doing this.
1:01:58
Yeah. 100%. Right.
1:01:59
Because because if was schinder, could sue.
1:02:04
I forgot her name. Who stands up?
1:02:06
And she if she could sue and Chuck for lost wages, Oh, that's
1:02:12
a whole nother animal. And and in the case, and in the
1:02:15
case of that particular case, which made some new news this
1:02:20
week that's the Russian doping Scandal.
1:02:23
That's state-sponsored. So if we can sue the Federation,
1:02:28
oh yeah. Like, hey, if you, if you want
1:02:31
to play the Olympic world championship game federation's,
1:02:35
you're going to be held financially responsible for the
1:02:39
shenanigans, your athletes are doing.
1:02:41
Oh, I think everybody would get real serious.
1:02:43
Yeah, about doping control country to Country Place to
1:02:47
Place, right? So until people are willing to
1:02:51
go that route. I'm never going to be the one to
1:02:55
to believe that everybody really really really cares about this
1:02:58
issue. I think it's an issue that
1:03:01
people know better than to act like it's cool.
1:03:04
And so right now everybody acts like they're trying to do as
1:03:08
best as they can but we all know that they don't have the Stomach
1:03:12
to really go where they need to go.
1:03:14
So I think it is solvable. I don't think we're on that
1:03:17
path, but I do think we've made tremendous strides, and I do
1:03:21
think it's cleaner today than it has been, but Lamar is
1:03:25
absolutely correct that those that wish to cheat those that
1:03:30
wish to defraud the sport and the medical chemical
1:03:34
professionals that help them. They're always going to be ahead
1:03:37
of the testers. By Nature that is that is the
1:03:40
way it is and has always been. Well, let me speak to one thing
1:03:45
really quick. You said and you believe firmly
1:03:48
that the sport is cleaner now. And here's what I'm going to
1:03:50
tell you and and the governor will completely agree with me on
1:03:55
this one. When we competed in the 90s we
1:03:59
were 100% sure. We were competing in a cleaner
1:04:03
generation than the 80s and everybody competed in a cleaner
1:04:08
job. Duration of the 70s.
1:04:09
But look, here's the funny part, the seventies.
1:04:11
If you really think about it, drugs weren't illegal writes, a
1:04:15
really and truly, like, they were just doing what they could
1:04:18
do. But we all were 100% sure that
1:04:21
competing in the 90s, it was a much cleaner situation than it
1:04:24
was in the 80s. And then we know what we found
1:04:26
out like, right at the end of our careers.
1:04:28
Oh, my goodness is human growth hormone.
1:04:31
An EPO were things. That people have been taking the
1:04:33
entire time. We were competing, we had no
1:04:35
idea, no idea. So what I'm telling, Telling you
1:04:38
now is, like, look, I want to believe that this board is
1:04:41
cleaner to. When we find out in 2010 that
1:04:44
everyone's been taking Rocket Fuel of some sort that we didn't
1:04:47
know about, right? Like, listen, until we get Until
1:04:55
we get drug cheat level, doctors on the clean side.
1:05:02
This board is going to operate, where it is, those who have the
1:05:07
means, and the moral compass to cheat are going to cheat.
1:05:13
And I will, I will end on this as long as there is a thirst for
1:05:22
unbelievable performances. Okay.
1:05:27
And let's be clear. What we witnessed in 2003 in
1:05:31
Paris was that derivative of Oh, hell.
1:05:39
When there was an announcement made prior to that race, power
1:05:44
prior to those championships, by the French drug-testing
1:05:49
Federation, or whatever you want to call it water, whatever.
1:05:53
And it scared the bejesus out of A fair number of people.
1:06:00
Let's just say that, okay? And if you look at the results
1:06:04
of the men's 100, All right, that was not an apparition that
1:06:10
was not, whether that was not the track, okay?
1:06:16
Something happened, that led to that, okay?
1:06:21
And you know, it's that was one of the first times that we ever
1:06:27
witnessed. The world Athletics putting
1:06:32
something out there that might have tipped off people that you
1:06:35
know what? Hold up.
1:06:36
Now, we got to, we got to fix something here.
1:06:41
And if you think about the scandals that touched off after
1:06:46
Paris or right in the öin 2003, it's pretty amazing.
1:06:52
Now, do we have to wait, another 20 years for that to happen
1:06:57
again? I mean have we witnessed
1:07:00
anything like that since no, we haven't.
1:07:05
Like I'm I'm talking about results going from Way High.
1:07:12
To hear again, okay? So it's something that You know
1:07:21
call me jaded call me, you know I mean having been through it
1:07:26
having lived through it. Yeah, I'm not one that thinks
1:07:30
that anything is going to change anytime soon.
1:07:37
All right, well, let me time. She'll tell us, really won't
1:07:43
know. So all right, closing out the
1:07:46
topics. Moving on to, would you rather
1:07:48
sir Lucius, it's your turn this week.
1:07:51
Oh, my see, that was perfect because he always knows who's
1:07:56
turn it is and he was really surprised.
1:08:24
Would you consume? Pork have to make a choice, the
1:08:34
choice. Would you rather have your vote
1:08:37
holiday vacations to be in warmer weather or cooler?
1:08:40
Weather warmer, would you rather open presents
1:08:56
on Christmas Eve or on Christmas morning?
1:08:59
One on Christmas Eve, the rest on Christmas morning.
1:09:05
It has to be just a random one. Like, you just pick one random
1:09:08
one on Christmas Eve. Rest of them Christmas with
1:09:11
little teaser, not take you, but the bed and dream about what
1:09:13
you're doing. Exactly.
1:09:20
Would you rather watch Die Hard or Christmas story for your
1:09:24
Christmas movie? Would you rather do your
1:09:35
Christmas tradition, whatever it might be tree caroling, whatever
1:09:38
it is fully dressed to the T, or in your pjs.
1:09:44
Okay. PJ's Lamar said, okay, I'm out
1:09:56
there. This is so being of an immigrant
1:10:00
family. I didn't know that was a thing,
1:10:02
like I thought people always got dressed up because it was a
1:10:04
holiday occasion and then she'll learn that, some, some
1:10:07
traditions were done in like their Christmas PJs, mind blown
1:10:11
completely mind-blowing. So anyhow, that was my, would
1:10:15
you rather gentlemen? The floor is yours.
1:10:18
Would you rather eliminate Christmas or Thanksgiving?
1:10:24
I want them both. What is it?
1:10:37
I mean I'm sorry. God.
1:10:40
That's that's what that's for. I just can't
1:11:16
I mean, I kind of know the answer to this but I'm curious.
1:11:20
Would you rather spend the holidays with your family or
1:11:24
with three of your favorite celebrities?
1:11:33
You guys are terrible. Of course, I want to be with my
1:11:39
family. Hi Angela, the Jew, you are
1:11:48
clearly. All right, sir.
1:11:55
Now you focused Yeah, you are you are in a Spades Tournament.
1:12:03
You saved the Free World. Who is your partner Martin
1:12:11
Luther King or Barack Obama? That's an easy question, X.
1:12:20
I'm going, we're going to Brock Obama.
1:12:25
That's right. You go something something just
1:12:27
tells me that you're being here on out of Chinatown.
1:12:31
Yeah he got my back. We got my back.
1:12:35
Oh you don't think the guys spent most of his life in
1:12:38
Alabama and Georgia. I like the outside keys.
1:12:44
I just don't think he spent very much time playing space, mr.
1:12:48
EP, as we have experienced over the past however many years,
1:12:52
Southerners struggle with space. Okay.
1:13:04
Well, I'm going to throw the question to serve lucious, which
1:13:10
is a slightly different context. I get why it was asked to me,
1:13:13
but I'm going to ask it to him from the convention.
1:13:17
Mr. King of all Thrones, which title Outdoors, would you prefer
1:13:27
to defend? The men or the women?
1:13:33
Well, I want to first begin by saying we have nothing to defend
1:13:37
it's ours and they can't be taken away from so therefore
1:13:40
there's no defending. So I would like to win them both
1:13:44
because I'm greedy. I think we're capable, of
1:13:47
course, we know but I would absolutely think Wing the
1:13:52
women's title would be more important for our Legacy.
1:13:55
So that's the one I would like to know, Hmm.
1:14:02
All right. Well somewhat shallow As
1:14:10
painful, would you rather? This is
1:14:23
what most of us celebrate not most of us but not to those who
1:14:36
are here too. I'll go first since mine was
1:14:45
referenced earlier in the show my heartbeat props.
1:14:48
Go out to The One and Only Lucinda Dimas former teammate of
1:14:54
mine Gamecocks and you know just one of the best people that I've
1:15:00
known throughout my time in this sport It was recently announced
1:15:06
that Lucinda is going to get her, well, deserve Olympic gold
1:15:12
medal, from London, 2012, where she lost the 400-meter hurdles
1:15:20
race to a doped up Russian. This is it, as happy as I am for
1:15:31
shin, finally, getting the recognition that she deserves.
1:15:34
You have to understand how horrific lie screwed up.
1:15:37
This is before there was Sydney, McLaughlin, it was listen to
1:15:44
Dimas And unfortunately, that loss.
1:15:51
Landed a narrative about her and her career.
1:15:54
That was just unfair. She lost money, she lost
1:16:02
sponsorships. I'm sure she lost a gold medal.
1:16:06
She lost her Olympic moment and ultimately has been remembered
1:16:13
incorrectly for how amazing she was in this Sport and her time
1:16:18
in it. And there's no fake ceremony
1:16:22
that they're going to invent in Paris that's going to make up
1:16:25
for that. There's giving her the metal 11
1:16:29
years later, rightfully, so, but it's some bullshit.
1:16:35
And when you come across these situations, it is, in my
1:16:40
opinion, the responsibility of world Athletics and the
1:16:44
governing bodies to honor these people in a way that actually
1:16:48
means something. Because Hannon, her a medal, 11
1:16:51
years later, don't mean nothing. You owe this woman money.
1:16:56
You owe this woman so many things and the fact of the
1:16:59
matter is she's never like I remember the fire.
1:17:04
The heat that Lucinda had to take when she quote unquote lost
1:17:07
that race. Go look at it.
1:17:10
I watched it again today. She executed that thing
1:17:14
brilliantly. Brilliantly.
1:17:17
And no one will ever remember that she did even when you give
1:17:21
her the new gold medal, right? It's so wrong on so many levels,
1:17:27
but I'm glad that that it is being corrected in some way.
1:17:31
It's not enough, it'll never be enough.
1:17:34
And so many people have had to go through this.
1:17:36
Over the years, we have to find a way to make these people.
1:17:41
Hold there has to be some kind of financial reparations for
1:17:45
being cheated. This woman found a way to
1:17:49
literally conquer the world and has never been properly honored
1:17:54
for it and never got to capitalize on it.
1:17:58
So you know uh a standalone medal ceremony.
1:18:03
A ain't gonna be enough and so Shin I love you.
1:18:08
You, you are, you were the greatest talent that event has
1:18:13
ever seen until Sydney came along and I just wish that Your
1:18:17
career would be remembered for what it absolutely was like, you
1:18:21
were the best, you were the best of your area where the best of
1:18:24
your time. And I really, really wish that
1:18:28
people would remember Lucinda Dimas.
1:18:31
And those who have suffered these wrongs that way because
1:18:34
they deserve it, they deserve nothing less.
1:18:39
I'm going to jump in there just cuz I want to piggyback on that
1:18:42
one piece really fast like this. That's not my heart beat fast,
1:18:45
but I just want to say this, this is the part that nobody
1:18:47
gets you can give someone a metal that they deserve years
1:18:53
later. You could even give them the
1:18:55
money that they just that they lost, but you can't ever make
1:18:59
them whole because you can't fix the moments, you can't fix
1:19:03
videos and you can't fix the pictures, like I Think about
1:19:06
this, every single time, every single time.
1:19:09
This happens to somebody, I think to myself, There are
1:19:13
pictures in this house of neon, a metal stand.
1:19:18
And if I had gotten fourth and then was later.
1:19:23
Elevated to the bronze medal. There will be no pictures of
1:19:27
that moment and you can't recreate that right?
1:19:31
You can't recreate the feeling that happens that day, right?
1:19:36
Then And to have it to have a victory feeling stolen away and
1:19:43
replaced by a loss because of course in the United States.
1:19:48
Second place is the first loser, right?
1:19:51
Like that's Irreplaceable and it's in.
1:19:53
It's it's a reprehensible and it's just yeah I got nothing.
1:19:59
I mean London, London did a great job covering that meet,
1:20:02
you know, visually media-wise. You can go on YouTube right now
1:20:06
and watch the eight-minute video.
1:20:07
Start to finish from the announcements to the whole
1:20:09
thing. Look at Lucinda's face.
1:20:11
Yeah. When she lost quote-unquote that
1:20:14
race? Well, you've heard me say this.
1:20:16
If I sometimes like the happiest person on the podium is the gold
1:20:19
medalist. The second happiest person is
1:20:21
the bronze medalist because the silver medalist always feels
1:20:24
like they lost. It's just how it goes.
1:20:27
My heart. Be props are R2.
1:20:31
R2, my little sis like she's not really a little anymore.
1:20:33
She's a grown woman but today's her birthday, so miss corlane
1:20:37
Gary. Three happy birthday.
1:20:39
She will actually watch this show because I'll send it to her
1:20:44
and she's doing her Thug. Thizzle in the, in the film
1:20:48
industry in New York and I'm super duper proud of her.
1:20:50
So that's it for me for the night.
1:20:53
So, my heartbeat props, go out to Jordan Crooks Jordan Crooks
1:21:00
is from the Cayman Islands, he's a sophomore swimmer, at the
1:21:05
University of Tennessee, and he recently won the first World
1:21:11
Championship gold medal for the Cayman Islands.
1:21:16
Wow, in the 63 graduations. Let's go.
1:21:21
It's I mean, I have no words and it's funny because a reporter
1:21:29
called me this morning asking me for my thoughts.
1:21:33
And one of the questions was, well, how do you feel about your
1:21:39
mantle being taken as the most successful and I'm sitting there
1:21:44
on the phone and I'm just like I like the cloud feed him this
1:21:47
question and you know, I pause for a second and I said, look,
1:21:58
the whole point is that someone would pick up the mantle That's
1:22:05
the whole point. That's the point.
1:22:07
I set the standard and so for these young athletes that are
1:22:12
coming up through the ranks, you know what you have to do, right?
1:22:17
And and so kudos to this young man, I've never met him but I'm
1:22:23
certainly trying to get ahold of him so I can congratulate him on
1:22:27
the phone and talk to him and get a chance to meet him.
1:22:31
But yeah, he did that he went to the world championships and he
1:22:36
won a gold medal. The first ever for for my island
1:22:42
nation heartbeat props to Jordan Crooks congratulations.
1:22:49
Congratulations, Jordan. My heart be props is going to go
1:22:55
out to and I you know I've been doing this a lot over the last
1:22:59
six months, I will do it. Again, pay attention, and mental
1:23:02
health, folks, lot of people out there struggling, we hear more
1:23:05
and more stories every week about people that are struggling
1:23:09
and you know, they have no one that I'll feel like they have no
1:23:12
one to turn to. I have lost some people, they're
1:23:16
part of my life over the last three or four months to do this.
1:23:19
Issues and I can't begin to tell you how hard it is and listen to
1:23:24
their families talk about how they really did know.
1:23:28
And so I was asking everybody to pay attention, don't be afraid
1:23:32
to reach out, don't be afraid to, you know, Linda shoulder and
1:23:35
then denier and, you know, my mantra for a long time has been
1:23:40
the key is to let folks lean on you so they don't fall not wait
1:23:45
till they fall to attempt to pick them up.
1:23:49
Hmm. Okay, words.
1:23:54
The more lighthearted than those my my little brother's birthday
1:23:59
today. So he's my heart beat drops, so
1:24:03
happy birthday Ryan you'll never see this show and that's okay,
1:24:06
too. I'm doing.
1:24:07
I'm doing my part as big sister. I've got ya, the athletes talks
1:24:14
after to after that there was other interests so but happy
1:24:19
birthday to you. I can't even Call how old you
1:24:21
are, but your way older than you are my head.
1:24:23
So hope you had a good day but other than that that wraps up
1:24:29
Season 3 Episode 36 I guess being call it thirty seven if
1:24:33
you count the lost one. So it's been a minute.
1:24:38
I mean that's just over three and a half years so that's
1:24:40
crazy. Crazy crazy.
1:24:43
So thank you everyone once again or three and a half Seasons.
1:24:47
Sorry, thank you everyone for tuning in.
1:24:50
Have a Great holiday weekend. And if your holidays a little
1:24:53
bit after that, keep celebrating you have time.
1:24:57
So talk to you all soon. Have a good night.
1:24:59
Bye. Wouldn't be here, but we're here
1:25:34
to stop. Raining, you gotta understand?
1:25:36
Rapes, gotta catch Stars. Show you how to fight for?
1:25:39
Sure. So you are you lack experience,
1:25:42
but still you want to tell and who was that?
1:25:44
Jump to your circuit? Got a small heads prevail when
1:25:47
the backbone strong, gotta keep it coming up, won't last long
1:25:52
pass to fill this eldest a song? And if you don't check yourself
1:25:56
and that's wrong, just trying to give you the rich asshole.
1:25:59
So why you keep cutting us off to a small?
1:26:02
We put it. It in slow-mo, but you
1:26:04
fast-forward Athletics. It in slow-mo, but you
1:26:04
fast-forward Athletics.