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Matt Zukowski's PR Move · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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  Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, Matt Zukowski
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  Speaker 1: opens up about his divorce from Tammy Hembrough. Bec Judd
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  Speaker 1: vows to share exactly what cosmetic procedures she's had done.
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  Speaker 1: AFL star Bailey Smith joins Tinder and Rob Irwin's Dine
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  Speaker 1: and Dash. But first, Rachel Dillon and Toby Pearce have
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  Speaker 1: welcomed their first child together and After a well-documented IVF journey,
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  Speaker 1: the fitness influencer revealed the news to her 1.9 million
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  Speaker 1: Instagram followers, sharing a carousel of photos with the caption,
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  Speaker 1: Our little love is earthside, 4th of July, 2025. This
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  Speaker 1: was obviously beautiful news, but all I wanted to know
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  Speaker 1: was what is the baby name? Because a couple of
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  Speaker 1: weeks ago, we discussed how Rachel accidentally slipped up on
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  Speaker 1: her Instagram story and dropped the name.
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  Speaker 2: And at the time, she begged her followers to keep
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  Speaker 2: it a secret. And it seems like she has some
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  Speaker 2: very loyal followers because I didn't see it pop up anywhere.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty incredible it stayed a secret because normally
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  Speaker 1: when an influencer makes a mistake like that, it ends
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  Speaker 1: up on one of the influencer watchdog pages. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad it didn't because it is really such a
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  Speaker 1: special thing to announce the name yourself. So Rachel and
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  Speaker 1: Toby went with the name Easton J.
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  Speaker 3: Pierce.
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  Speaker 2: And interestingly, Rachel's handle on Instagram and TikTok is Rachel J.
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  Speaker 3: Dillon.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm guessing they took inspiration from her name.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, so is the middle name just J? Just the
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  Speaker 1: letter J?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, just the letter J.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So not J like Kayla Acinas' husband, which would have
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  Speaker 2: been a little bit awkward because, of course, Kayla Acinas
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  Speaker 2: used to be engaged to Toby Pierce. They have a
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  Speaker 2: daughter together called Anna. How cute was the video of
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  Speaker 2: Anna meeting her new baby brother?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, she is just adorable. I think we need to
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  Speaker 1: throw to a grub.
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  Speaker 2: Houston Pierce.
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  Speaker 1: This is his name.
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  Speaker 5: Oh my God.
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  Speaker 6: I will keep you protected all my life to keep
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  Speaker 6: you healthy.
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  Speaker 7: You never get sick.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so curious.
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  Speaker 7: Oh my God, I just feel like this is a dream.
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  Speaker 3: God, she cracks me up.
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  Speaker 2: Every time she's in either Kayla or Rachel or Toby's content,
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  Speaker 2: I laugh so much.
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  Speaker 1: Talking about cute, Baby Easton is gorgeous. He looks exactly
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  Speaker 1: like Toby.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, he's got some strong genes there because Anna, I
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  Speaker 2: feel like, takes after Toby as well. I found it
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  Speaker 2: really interesting to see what Rachel and Toby decided to
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  Speaker 2: do after the birth of Easton because obviously they're very
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  Speaker 2: wealthy and they look like they were in a beautiful hospital.
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  Speaker 2: And Rachel didn't take long to enjoy sushi again. So
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  Speaker 2: she shared a photo of her breastfeeding in a hospital bed,
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  Speaker 2: looking very glamorous, eating this beautiful plate of sushi with chopsticks.
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  Speaker 1: Well, sushi was one of the number one things I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to eat after giving birth. But for some reason
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  Speaker 1: I just couldn't stomach it in hospital, but I'm guessing
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  Speaker 1: they were in quite a ritzy hospital that probably didn't
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  Speaker 1: even feel like hospital. I keep getting fed this content
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  Speaker 1: of these influencers who go into the private system. It's
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  Speaker 1: either in Melbourne or Sydney and they get transferred from
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  Speaker 1: the private hospital to a really fancy hotel. Have you
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  Speaker 1: seen those?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Anna McAvoy posted one and I was like, oh
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  Speaker 2: my God, we did our postpartum early days so differently.
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  Speaker 3: Like it looked incredible.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a BMW that comes and picks them up.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a full chauffeur service.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that looks the right way to do postpartum,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like. What I kept telling myself is because
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  Speaker 2: we both went through the public system is we didn't
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  Speaker 2: have to pay a dime. These people probably hit up
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  Speaker 2: with about a 10K bill. Okay, it may have felt
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  Speaker 2: good in the time, but I'd rather put 10K towards
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  Speaker 2: my baby or maybe going on a holiday eventually.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, definitely.
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  Speaker 4: By now, you would have heard that Tammy and I
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  Speaker 4: are getting a divorce.
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  Speaker 1: Matt Zukowski has opened up about his divorce from Tammy
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  Speaker 1: Hembrough on his podcast, Where's Your Head At? Now, there
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  Speaker 1: was a bit of confusion, Kate, because the episode disappeared
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  Speaker 1: after being live for just a couple of hours.
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  Speaker 2: I was beside myself because I went to listen to
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  Speaker 2: this at eight o'clock. The episode was called We're Back
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  Speaker 2: with some updates, dot, dot, dot.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, oh my gosh, excellent.
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  Speaker 2: This is going to be so good. Went to click
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  Speaker 2: on it and suddenly it had disappeared.
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  Speaker 3: And I kept refreshing my feed.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, hang on.
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  Speaker 2: It said it was out two hours ago, but all
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  Speaker 2: I can find is the old episode about Anna talking
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  Speaker 2: about pregnancy.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, what?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That just made me think, oh my God, what has
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  Speaker 1: he said in this episode?
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, it's been pulled down.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Have lawyers become involved? Like, has he dropped some
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  Speaker 1: really juicy details?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I was so confused because Anna and Matt had posted
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  Speaker 2: on Tuesday that they were back in the studio ready
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  Speaker 2: to record. And I did some digging. I went on
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  Speaker 2: their Instagram page and it turns out other people were
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  Speaker 2: having the same issue that I was. And there were
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  Speaker 2: a lot of comments on their Instagram saying like, why
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  Speaker 2: can't we listen? And no one was responding, which I
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  Speaker 2: thought was a little bit weird. Now the episode was
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  Speaker 2: back up on Thursday and Matt shared a link to
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  Speaker 2: it on his Instagram account and wrote, I had an
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  Speaker 2: anxiety attack about posting this episode. The last few weeks
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  Speaker 2: have been very hard for me mentally. Hopefully I will
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  Speaker 2: be in a place one day where I can talk
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  Speaker 2: about my experience further. But right now I am focusing
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  Speaker 2: on healing, finding myself and my confidence again. Thank you
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  Speaker 2: again for all your kind messages.
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  Speaker 1: The more I hear from Matt, the more I feel
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  Speaker 1: sorry for everybody involved in this, because you sometimes forget
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  Speaker 1: there are real people behind this.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I suppose that's because Tammy came out with her
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  Speaker 2: statement first and she was crying and seemed really upset.
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  Speaker 2: So you immediately think, oh, okay, Matt's done something wrong.
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  Speaker 2: But when you hear his side of things, you're like, okay, well,
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  Speaker 2: there's obviously two sides to the story. And it seems
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  Speaker 2: like Matt may have listened to our episode last week
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  Speaker 2: because It seems like he took our PR advice on board.
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  Speaker 2: So he briefly addressed the breakup and was really respectful
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  Speaker 2: towards Tammy. And he ended up talking about the divorce
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  Speaker 2: at the start of the episode in this pre-recorded segment
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  Speaker 2: without his co-host Anna McEnvoy. And when I was reflecting
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  Speaker 2: on what the episodes are normally like, it made sense
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  Speaker 2: to address it at the start because their podcast introduction
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  Speaker 2: references that Matt and Anna are both newlyweds. So they
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  Speaker 2: couldn't really have that play at the beginning. So the
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  Speaker 2: intro was obviously removed and I'm really interested to see
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  Speaker 2: what they run with next week.
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  Speaker 1: It's like one newlywed or one divorcee. I mean, it
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  Speaker 1: is going to add a new element to the podcast,
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  Speaker 1: Matt being divorced, because he's going to be able to
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  Speaker 1: speak from this experience and I suppose relate to other people.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder how many people actually listen to the whole podcast. Like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when you look in the back end of
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  Speaker 1: a podcast, you can actually see when people have dropped off.
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  Speaker 1: It's just like the two minute mark.
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  Speaker 5: Stop.
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  Speaker 1: Stop.
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  Speaker 2: Well, as for the Matt statement, let's take a listen
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  Speaker 2: to some of what he said.
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  Speaker 4: By now, you would have heard that Tammy and I
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  Speaker 4: are getting a divorce. There is no easy way for
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  Speaker 4: me to say this and to speak about it. I'm
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  Speaker 4: absolutely shattered to announce it, to be honest. But at
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  Speaker 4: the end of the day, we weren't right for each other.
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  Speaker 4: And in this relationship, I've learned a lot about myself.
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  Speaker 4: I've learned a lot about what I need in a
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  Speaker 4: relationship and what's right for me. And moving forward, I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to focus on myself and focus on healing and
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  Speaker 4: moving forward with my life. I know there's a lot
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  Speaker 4: of speculation and people looking for me to say a
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  Speaker 4: tell-all and clear up all the whispers online. But that's
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  Speaker 4: not me. It's not the right way to go about this.
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  Speaker 4: This is literally real life. Like this is happening to
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  Speaker 4: me right now. And I'm still trying to process it.
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  Speaker 4: I'm still trying to heal from it. At the end
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  Speaker 4: of the day, Tammy is a mother of three beautiful
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  Speaker 4: children and I think that I have too much respect
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  Speaker 4: for us and the relationship we had and that's just
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  Speaker 4: not something I want to do. This has been one
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  Speaker 4: of the toughest periods of my life and it's honestly
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  Speaker 4: been so stressful on my mental health. And right now,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not in a place where I want to talk
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  Speaker 4: about this any further. But I've been hanging around my
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  Speaker 4: loved ones, my family. I've been going to therapy, which
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  Speaker 4: has helped heaps in navigating this time in my life.
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  Speaker 4: I'd just like to say I appreciate everyone's understanding and
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  Speaker 4: kindness during this time.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Matt went on to say he was grateful for
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  Speaker 2: the kind messages he had been receiving and hoped doing
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  Speaker 2: the podcast would help him forget what was going on
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  Speaker 2: and was an opportunity for him just to have some
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  Speaker 2: fun He finished up by asking his listeners for grace
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  Speaker 2: as he navigated through this difficult time.
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  Speaker 1: When I heard that, I thought it's going to be
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  Speaker 1: quite difficult to just have fun with this podcast because
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  Speaker 1: it's all about relationships.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but in saying that, when he was joined by
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  Speaker 2: Anna McEnvoy, I felt like he seemed a lot happier.
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  Speaker 2: Like his tone the last couple of months has been
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  Speaker 2: very down, obviously, because he's been going through this breakup.
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  Speaker 2: But he definitely seemed back to himself, I thought. Now,
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  Speaker 2: despite addressing the divorce at the start of the episode,
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  Speaker 2: when Anna joined him on the mics, they did have
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  Speaker 2: a quick chat about it. And I found the language
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  Speaker 2: really interesting that they used. So the word heal was
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  Speaker 2: used four times. And there were lots of references to
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  Speaker 2: Matt's mental health.
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  Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm struggling a lot, obviously. this wasn't what I
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  Speaker 4: wanted nor expected to happen. I'm going to therapy quite regularly.
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  Speaker 4: I haven't spoken that much to you or friends about
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  Speaker 4: it because I feel like not many people understand the
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  Speaker 4: ins and outs of it. So, I talk a lot
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  Speaker 4: with my therapist and it's just getting a better understanding
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  Speaker 4: of everything. And look, it's heartbreaking. I think it comes
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  Speaker 4: and goes in waves. It's a really strange time in
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  Speaker 4: my life, but I feel like The main thing I'm
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  Speaker 4: focusing on now is healing myself and coming out with
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  Speaker 4: a better understanding of myself and life, I feel.
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  Speaker 1: Do you feel like you guys made the right decision?
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  Speaker 7: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, you guys wouldn't have got married if you
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  Speaker 8: didn't think it was going to be forever.
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  Speaker 7: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Well, thank you for sharing. We all really appreciate it.
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  Speaker 8: I know that it's not something that you fully want
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  Speaker 8: to jump into. You're just healing and looking after you
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  Speaker 8: and your mental health, and I think that's really important.
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  Speaker 8: I know that your mental health has suffered. So yeah,
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  Speaker 8: just looking after yourself, doing things to fill your cup.
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  Speaker 8: We've both gone through some very big life changes. So
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  Speaker 8: there's a lot that's going to be happening on the
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  Speaker 8: podcast coming up and You know, we just want to
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  Speaker 8: move forward and, yeah, I'm always here to support you.
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  Speaker 4: And I'd like to thank you for that and my
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  Speaker 4: friends and family for being there for me through this
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  Speaker 4: rough time. I really appreciate it as well. I know
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  Speaker 4: I obviously, like I said, I'm not sharing completely everything
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  Speaker 4: because I'm trying to heal myself, but I appreciate everyone
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  Speaker 4: being there for me.
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  Speaker 8: And I think just a reminder as well, divorce is
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  Speaker 8: super hard. I can't even imagine doing it in the
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  Speaker 8: public eye like you have and everyone... having their opinions
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  Speaker 8: and putting their two cents in without actually knowing what's happened.
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  Speaker 8: So just a reminder to give everyone in the situation grace,
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  Speaker 8: let everyone have a chance to heal. And we wish
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  Speaker 8: Matt and Tammy nothing but the best.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, as we predicted last week, Matt was always
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  Speaker 2: going to try and shift the narrative. And as I
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  Speaker 2: touched on before, in terms of public perception, I think
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  Speaker 2: Tammy absolutely won the breakup announcement because she came across
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  Speaker 2: as very self-aware. She appeared to be genuinely hurting in
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  Speaker 2: that situation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but she also got the first word out. And
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  Speaker 1: often when it's the first person that makes the announcement,
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  Speaker 1: it seems like either they've been wronged or I suppose
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  Speaker 1: they get to dictate how it unfolds.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think she really set the narrative that she
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  Speaker 2: was the victim in the situation. And while she was
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  Speaker 2: really respectful, there were a few pointed comments that if
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  Speaker 2: you read between the lines, it was Matt's fault that
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  Speaker 2: they got divorced.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So it only makes sense for Matt that he really
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  Speaker 2: wanted to switch things up and share his side of
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  Speaker 2: the story. And hats off to him because I think
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  Speaker 2: he executed it pretty perfectly. He kept it professional and
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  Speaker 2: respectful whilst hitting on really some key points about his
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  Speaker 2: mental health and how the breakup has affected him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought he did a really good job. And
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  Speaker 1: if he's able to maintain this sort of dignified response,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's actually just going to turn out quite
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  Speaker 1: well for him because I think what we're seeing is
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  Speaker 1: Tammy is posting a lot about the breakup on her TikTok,
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  Speaker 1: like subtle digs at Matt. And while a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people have enjoyed them so far, I think if she
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  Speaker 1: continues to do it, we might see people turning.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The less you say, the less can be used against
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  Speaker 2: you essentially. And I definitely think he got a professional
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  Speaker 2: to help him with his statement. And that was a
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  Speaker 2: very good move on his behalf.
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  Speaker 1: Or did he just listen to Outspoken, the podcast last week?
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  Speaker 2: No, to be fair, they recorded on Tuesday. So, or
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  Speaker 2: he could have in the morning, maybe potentially. I also
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  Speaker 2: think Anna McAvoy did a good job because she played
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  Speaker 2: the protective big sister role very well. And the comment
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  Speaker 2: about everyone having an opinion without knowing what's happened was
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  Speaker 2: pretty interesting. So it seems like they're saying that there's
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  Speaker 2: more to this story than meets the eye.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was very telling. And last week, we also
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  Speaker 1: discussed how we thought Matt might go down the path
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  Speaker 1: of calling out trolls. And this is, of course, off
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  Speaker 1: the back of Indy Clinton's popular decision to hire a
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  Speaker 1: PI to dig up dirt on her trolls. And funnily enough,
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  Speaker 1: Matt and Anna reference Indy and her PI while talking
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  Speaker 1: about how Anna had been trolled for going to the
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  Speaker 1: hairdresser when she had a newborn. I saw this over TikTok.
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  Speaker 1: It was so ridiculous. Like the mum shaming is next
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  Speaker 1: level on there.
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  Speaker 2: In saying that though, I was almost not surprised because
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  Speaker 2: every video a mum posts, it's like everyone goes off
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  Speaker 2: in the comments about, well, I don't do that.
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  Speaker 3: That's not fair.
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  Speaker 1: And But the dad, I'm sure he's fucking off having
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  Speaker 1: his hair cut. No one bloody bats an eyelid.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I definitely think it was disgusting that Anna got trolled.
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  Speaker 2: But TikTok at the moment, it's just a cesspool. And
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  Speaker 2: every parenting video, it's like people just clashing about what
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  Speaker 2: they do and I'm always right.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, how interesting was it when they were talking about
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  Speaker 1: seeing someone you know trolling someone in the comment section?
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  Speaker 1: Let's have a listen to what they said.
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  Speaker 8: It happened recently to a mutual person that we know.
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  Speaker 8: I'm pretty sure they would listen to this podcast as well.
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  Speaker 8: So we're not going to say too much, but yeah,
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  Speaker 8: we saw that they were trolling your divorce and I
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  Speaker 8: just thought, wow.
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  Speaker 7: It's icky.
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  Speaker 8: It's icky.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Now, when I heard this, I initially wondered if they
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  Speaker 2: were referring to Keira Maguire because So Dramatic reported that
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  Speaker 2: Keira liked Tammy's post the day after she announced her divorce.
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  Speaker 2: And the photo in question was of Tammy wearing what
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  Speaker 2: was being touted as her revenge dress, that beautiful pink dress.
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  Speaker 2: So Kira not only liked the post, but wrote stunning
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  Speaker 2: with a love heart.
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  Speaker 1: And listeners might forget. So Kira McGuire actually dated Matt Sikowski.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, how wild is that?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I've been looking into their relationship for our Tammy Hanbury
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  Speaker 2: deep dive, and I didn't realize there was such a
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  Speaker 2: big age difference. There's nine years between Kira and Matt.
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  Speaker 2: And there's always been a lot of speculation that Matt
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  Speaker 2: dated her for clout and publicity because he started going
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  Speaker 2: out with her when she just finished on Bachelor in Paradise.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you forget how popular she actually was at the time.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, Kira's gone and posted stunning with a love
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  Speaker 2: heart on Tammy's post and has been liking.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of them.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, some people were saying that Kira's been following
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  Speaker 2: Tammy for a long time and liking her post, but
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: I had a quick browse and I couldn't see her
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: engaging with many of her posts. So it's not to
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: say that it happened, but I do think that it
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: was a strategic move from Kira to be like, hey, Tammy,
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: I'm on your side and Matt's a dickhead basically.
• 15:17
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: Another very active person on Tammy's post has been none
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: other than Jordan Simic. Oh, I know.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: I saw him liking every single one of her posts
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: and I could see them getting together. He is a
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: walking red flag. So Tammy, please be careful.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: Listen to your sisters, please.
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: Yes, listen to them. Now, Matt also.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: Spoke about what it was like meeting Anna's newborn son, Suede,
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: for the first time. And he said he hadn't held
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: a newborn for 10 years and found the experience quite
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: emotional and grounding. And that's probably because He only recently
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: in the last couple of years found out that he's
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: going to struggle to naturally conceive a child. And Anna
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: said that she shared a photo with Matt's mum of
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: him holding suede and then spoke to his mum on
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: the phone a few days later. This is what she said.
• 16:03
  Speaker 8: And your mum was on the phone and your mum
• 16:05
  Speaker 8: was saying that it made her really upset seeing you
• 16:09
  Speaker 8: with like a newborn baby. She was saying it was
• 16:12
  Speaker 8: really bittersweet for her.
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that like in the position I'm in,
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: I may never have the ability to hold my own newborn. So,
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: I can understand why my mom would say that. And
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: I think actually my family have processed that, whereas I
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: don't think fully have. And I have brought up with
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: my therapist and I'm talking about it. I think that
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: in a way, I've not really fully processed it where
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: I thought I had. I didn't think of it when
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: I heard suede in that way, but I think, yeah,
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: I think maybe in the back of my mind it
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: might be there. And I think that's something that I'll
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: get to in my own time.
• 16:44
  Speaker 8: Yeah. Well, I mean, you don't see a newborn every day.
• 16:46
  Speaker 8: So me having one is probably bringing up that conversation
• 16:50
  Speaker 8: that maybe you and your mum don't really talk about
• 16:53
  Speaker 8: the fact that you're infertile. So it kind of like
• 16:56
  Speaker 8: re-brings it to the surface in some ways.
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: This is the kind of content that we needed from
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: Matt in his interview with the Inherited podcast.
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: And that's why it makes me think more and more
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: that a PR advisor was involved in this episode. It
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: is so different when you think back to the episode
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: that Anna and Matt did about the Grand Prix cheating scandal.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: They really managed to humanize Matt here, particularly after he
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: copped quite a lot of backlash about the way he
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: referred to Tammy's kids coldly in their divorce announcement. This
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: was a great way to say, look, he's He likes children.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: He's a nice guy.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Well, you could tell that that divorce announcement was just
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: thrown together really quickly. It was like a reactive announcement
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: to Tammy dropping the bomb on TikTok.
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: And Amy, as you mentioned earlier, Tammy has been very
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: active on her social media channels, particularly TikTok. Over the weekend,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: she jumped on board that prank call challenge where you
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: call someone up and say goodnight. And she chose to
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: prank call none other than her first ex-fiance, Reese Hawkins.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: Let's throw to some of the audio.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: I'm just calling to say goodnight.
• 18:06
  Speaker 9: What?
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: I'm just calling to say goodnight.
• 18:12
  Speaker 7: What do you mean? Can't I say goodnight to you?
• 18:18
  Speaker 8: What do you mean?
• 18:19
  Speaker 7: I'm the mother of your children. Can't say goodnight?
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Friendly goodnight?
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: What?
• 18:31
  Speaker 7: Good night.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: Talk to you later.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah. All right, loser.
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: Bye.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: I couldn't believe this. I was like, the timing of it.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: I think, so reflecting, it was Emily that was with
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: her and they were at the airport. So I think
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: they filmed it a couple of weeks ago when they
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: were going with their supplement company to Bondi to do
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: that pop-up.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Well, doesn't he just have the most recognisable voice? Well, Tammy.
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he does.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Hi, Tammy. Like, it is just, it's quite a cute voice,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: but it's just very recognisable.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I recognised his voice instantly.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: It was interesting that she dropped.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, I normally FaceTime him. I mean, I suppose she
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: must talk to him quite regularly and put the kids
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: on the phone. But it was so interesting that she
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: decided to share this video off the back of obviously
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: announcing her divorce. And there's also been a lot of
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: online chatter of people saying that we want Tammy and
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Reese back together. In fact, Tammy even commented recently on
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: the video that we shared promoting the Tammy and Reese episode.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: And there was this horrible comment someone wrote about how
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Tammy doesn't let Reese's parents see their grandchildren, which is
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: absolute bullshit because Tammy often talks about how they babysit
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: for her during the school holidays. And she commented that,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: back saying this is completely untrue. So I found it
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: really interesting that she knows that people are shipping their
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: old relationship and that she shared this because the first
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: thing I thought was, are they getting back together? Because
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: she's also mentioned that she wants to do a trip
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: to Bali, which is of course where Rhys Hawkins now lives.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just find the whole thing so intriguing because
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: It's like Tammy knows exactly what to do to stay relevant.
• 20:12
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Because normally you think if you'd just gone through this divorce,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: you might put your head down and just stay quiet.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: But she's like doing, I mean, I love it. It's
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: so entertaining. She's just doing all of these things that
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: her followers would love or ship. Like everyone wants her
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: getting back with Reese now because everyone basically couldn't stand
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: her and Matt Sikowsky. Like she's just giving her followers
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: what they want. Yeah, well, we missed out on all
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: of that with Matt Poole. So maybe this is just
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: a double whammy.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: Like, here you go, fans. I'm going to give you
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: what you want.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: I just want to know, what does Amy and Emily
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: think of Reese?
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe they can let us know if they ship
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: this relationship too. I mean, Emily was the one filming
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: the prank video, so they must be on okay terms.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: In terms of how Tammy's feeling, she has been posting
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: more content on TikTok where she just talks to the camera.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: And she said previously she was trying to be too
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: much of a cool girl and not talk to the camera.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: But she's like, who am I kidding?
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: This is me.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: I just want to talk to the camera. And I
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: do think it is a part of this deliberate strategy
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: that you mentioned, Amy, to stay relatable and popular during
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: the breakup. And in terms of how she's feeling, she
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: said that she's been experiencing waves of sadness and feeling overwhelmed,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: but feels a lot lighter overall. Tammy also spoke about
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: how a brand had sent her an anxiety ring and
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: opened up about a time that she had a panic attack.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: This is what she said.
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: But I actually don't, I feel like I haven't been
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: really anxious anymore. Like, it got really bad a while
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: ago to a point where, like, if I, like, say
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: I went to the gym, I, like, the public gym
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: with people around, I literally would, like, run to my
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: car and start, like, I went to Coles once.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: And I went to my car because.
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: Someone said hi to me and then I ran to
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: my car and started hyperventilating.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: But I'm not, I'm fine now, so... Feel free to
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: say hi to me if you see me. I love
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: when people say hi to me. It wasn't the fact,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: oh my God, I can't do this.
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: It wasn't the fact that someone like said hi to me.
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: Like I get that all the time, but I feel
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: like for like a week there, my nervous system was
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: just fried and everything was making me really, like I
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: was at the point where I was literally like crying
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: every single day and I just felt like I couldn't
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: function properly. But I feel a.
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: Lot better now.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: I think it's really good that both Tammy and Matt
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: have been really open with their followers about their mental health.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: I do have to end though on some shade that
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Tammy threw at Matt this week, and it wouldn't be
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: a new week without Tammy throwing a little bit more
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: shade at Matt. So Tammy shared a video to her
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: TikTok on the Stairmaster with the caption, a step for
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: every time I should have listened to my sisters. And
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: underneath the video, she wrote, going to be here all day.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: I have to add, The song that played in the
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: background of the video was Taylor Swift's most iconic breakup song,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: All Too Well. Tammy's sister Emily commented underneath the video,
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: laugh out loud seriously though, with a smashing head emoji.
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: So Nards, what has been your most vain-ish moment of
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: all time?
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Bed Jard has declared 2025 is the year women stop
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: gaslighting each other and are honest about the cosmetic work
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: they've had done. In an interview with Stellar magazine, the
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: 42-year-old vowed to share exactly what she's had done on
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: her new podcast, aptly titled Vain-ish. Now, Kate, it's clear
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: people wanted to know because 24 hours after launching, Bec's
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: podcast hit number one on the Apple podcast charts.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, I know I tuned in with bated breath
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: waiting for Bec to list all the cosmetic procedures that
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: she's had done. And I was left a little disappointed
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: because she ended up only detailing her morning routine.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: This is what she said.
• 23:49
  Speaker 10: This is just me today. I've got fake tan on.
• 23:51
  Speaker 10: I've got those false stick-on underlash lashes on. I've got
• 23:55
  Speaker 10: hair extensions sewed in.
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: I used a prescription lash serum this morning to make
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: my eyelashes grow better, but I accidentally stuck it in
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: my eye and then I got pink eye.
• 24:04
  Speaker 10: I've got a fresh set of shellac gel nails. I
• 24:06
  Speaker 10: had Invisalign trays.
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: I took them out and I replaced with a 15-minute
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: teeth whitening session. I did infrared sauna this morning. I'm
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: drinking my Age Mate anti-aging supplement after I had a
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: breakfast with superfood porridge with my glutamine and collagen supplement smoothie.
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: I plucked out every single visible gray hair that I
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: could find. I used my prescription retinol. I used my
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: hyaluronic HB5. I used my vitamin C serum.
• 24:30
  Speaker 10: I stuck my silicon nipple pads on. I overdrew my lips.
• 24:34
  Speaker 10: I contoured my face.
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: I pulled my hair back in a really tight pony
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: to give myself a non-surgical brow lift.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: And I waltzed on into this studio.
• 24:42
  Speaker 10: You did all that before 7.30 this morning.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: I was exhausted listening to all of that.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: It made me reflect on my morning routine and how
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: different it was. I literally slapped makeup on while my
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: son's asleep. You know, have five minutes to do that.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, Bec's got four kids as well. So I'm like,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: far out. You must be so organized. It made me think, shit,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: should I actually be doing more in the morning to
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: myself to be presentable?
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: I do think Bec will go into more detail about
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: the cosmetic work that she's had done in another episode. Well,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: I'm hoping because I really am interested to hear what
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: work she's had done. She has touched upon, though, the
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: fact that she gets injectable. So during her interview on
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Stella's podcast, she spoke about how seven years ago, she
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: was being followed by paparazzi on the way to an
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: appointment to get her filler. And she ended up having
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: to drive home because she didn't want to be photographed there.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I can understand that because 10 years ago,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: people didn't talk about, I can understand that because 10
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: years ago, people just didn't talk about cosmetic procedures the
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: way they do now. Like people are a lot more
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: open and honest about what they've had done. But previously
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: it was kind of seen as almost, not embarrassing, but
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: people would shame other women for doing things.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Well, I think women still get shamed. I mean, God,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: the Daily Mail somehow is in my algorithm on my Facebook.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: And you see a headline. There was one about Shane
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Warne's daughter on holiday wearing a bikini. It was a
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: paparazzi photo. And it was like, oh, she flaunts her
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: body in a bikini. And then there were 800 comments
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: from these boomer men being absolutely disgusting towards her and
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: women as well, shaming her.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: I'm like, this poor girl. She looks beautiful. She's gone
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: on holiday. The paparazzi.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: The paparazzi have taken a photo of her and Daily
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Mail are trying to use it as clickbait for everyone
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: to shame her about the way she looks.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: And she's hardly flaunting herself going to the pool. She's
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: not to know that the paparazzi are using long lenses
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: and taking photos of her.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she had a bikini top on with a white overshirt.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: Anyway, well, we digress.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: But in terms of vein-ish, I found it fascinating to
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: be a fly on the wall to the conversations that
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Bec and her co-host Jess Roberts were having. They're a
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: similar age to us, so we're in the same age bracket,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: but I've never had these types of conversations with women
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: my own age. And I don't know if it's a
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: wealth gap or potentially because these women are in the
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: public eye and.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: Their looks are always being scrutinized.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: So you're not getting salmon sperm injectables. You're not discussing
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: that with your parents.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: No, surprisingly, I'm actually not. But I mean, I'm sure
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: that there are women our age who aren't rich and
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: famous that are also getting a lot of cosmetic procedures done.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: I have been involved in conversations with friends talking about
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: the pressure to get injectables. or to try out lip
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: filler and all of that kind of thing. So while
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: they might not be getting all of the expensive procedures
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: that these women are, I think it's definitely something that
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: women our age are talking about and they're feeling the pressure. Oh,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I've definitely been involved in conversations about the pressure, but
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: it's just not something that people in our circle go
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: out and do, or maybe they just don't speak about
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: it the way Bec and Jess were. I suppose what
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: really stood out to me was the.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Fact that they have the money to be able to
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: go and afford to do all of these different things.
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: But in saying that, I suppose this podcast is a
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: vehicle for them to go and get some of these
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: procedures for free and post about it.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: You've got to remember, they are in the public eye,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: so there would be a lot of extra pressure on
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: them to look good, especially Bec Jard. I mean, every
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: year she rocks up to the brown, though, and everybody
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: analyzes what she's wearing, what she looks like. I actually
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: thought the podcast was quite refreshing, especially that interview with
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Nadia Bartel, which we will go into in a minute,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: because they didn't just say, oh, you know, you've got
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: to get a nose job and you've got to do
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: this and that with injectables. They're actually talking about ways
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: that they make their hair look nicer. And they spoke
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: about having hair extensions and their huge routines to get
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: their hair looking like that. And it made me feel
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: better because I thought, well, okay, that's why their hair
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: does look so good. It's not just that they're, it's
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: not just that they've been blessed with this beautiful hair. Yeah.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: I was surprised to hear that Nadia and Beck both
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: have like extensions sewn in. I mean, it makes sense
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: because they've got such beautiful hair.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: But also the fact that Nadia was saying that she
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: didn't think she had beautiful hair. Like you always just
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: assume that these people think really highly of themselves because
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: they are so beautiful. But you can kind of tell
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: that they actually do have a lot of insecurities. And
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: the podcast is labeled vain-ish. Often when people are labeled vain,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: they're not actually vain, they're actually quite insecure.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that is true.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: And while I did enjoy the podcast, there was a
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: part of me though that Felt a little bit sad
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: because getting older really is a privilege. And I just
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: think it's sad that society's got to a point where
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: we feel we have to erase any sign of aging.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that this is Bec Judd's fault
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: for putting this podcast out because obviously there are these
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: impossible beauty standards that we all have to adhere to
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: as women. But it just seems like it's getting even
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: more unrealistic. And it made me think, like, is aging
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: going to be a sign of class? Are rich people
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: always going to look eternally youthful? And are poor people
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: always going to look old? I mean, we've seen recently
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: with Kris Jenner's face, everyone's been saying that it's this
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: wizardry and she looks like Kim Kardashian, but let's be honest,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: that's a fuck ton of money.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: What's that mean where it's like, you're not ugly, you're
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: just poor.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, eventually that's what it's going to be like.
• 29:59
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, 100% I know exactly what you're saying and
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I agree it is sad because I think that women
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: should be able to age gracefully. But I also feel
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: like we as women have so much pressure in the workplace,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: on social media to look a certain way. And sometimes
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: I think that if you can take on some of
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: these beauty regimes, like for example, if you're able to
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: find out a few tips on how to make your
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: hair feel nicer and it makes you feel confident, you're
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: going to feel better in yourself. So I don't know.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: I just look at podcasts like this is a bit
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: of fun. I don't necessarily think that they're pushing some
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: evil narrative.
• 30:33
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: But I wonder if promoting these types of conversations are
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: going to have a negative impact because we're essentially highlighting
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: what these women are doing and making it feel like
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: it's the norm and that you should be doing it too.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: That's my concern.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: But it's a double-edged sword because you could also say
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: that it's good that they're having these open conversations about
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: what they've done because then people realize, oh, actually, it's
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: not natural. Like they've paid to have that nose.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: It is a tricky one.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Now I know I said, I felt like the first
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: episode was a little bit of a letdown because Beck
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: didn't fully open up about her procedures. And I, I
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: wasn't actually super interested in hearing the ins and outs
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: about the salmon sperm because I think the Kardashians spoke
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: about it recently. It did seem a little bit old,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: but I did really enjoy episode two because as you mentioned, Amy,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Nadia Battelle was interviewed and she's friends with Beck and
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: also Beck's co-host, Jess Roberts. And they've been friends for
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: over 10 years. So it really felt like you were
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: eavesdropping on this private conversation between friends.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Do you know what I realised when listening to this?
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: That I have never really heard Bec Judd and Nadia
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Bartel speak that much. You see them all the time
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: on social media, but this was the first time I
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: actually got a gauge of what their personalities are actually like.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: And fuck, I think Bec Judd's a legend. I also
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: really liked Nadia Bartel. I mean, Nadia Bartel kind of
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: gave off the impression that she was quite woo-woo, which
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: I did enjoy. But with Bec Judd, I thought, I
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: don't know. I could imagine hanging out with Bec Judd
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: and her being a lot of fun.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: I said to you that Bec seemed like a lad
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: and I couldn't think of the female term, but yeah,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: she just seemed like a kind of a dad, but
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: not like, yeah. But see, I have been following Nadia
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Bartel on TikTok for quite a while now. So I
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: have heard her speak a lot and I really am
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: a big fan. I'm obsessed with her at the moment
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: because I bought a pair of Henny jeans and now
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: I feel like I need to buy every single thing
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: from the Henny store. I Definitely jumped on that bandwagon.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: I just can't afford it all.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: When she started talking about her hair, I was like
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: writing down a list on my phone.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: That hair oil.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: That's how she does it.
• 32:33
  Speaker 9: Okay.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Maybe I need to get some hair extensions.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, I said to Reese when I was on a walk,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: I was like, I was contemplating getting bloody so in
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: hair extensions as well, but I'm someone where I would
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: find that so overstimulating.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: I'd probably rip them out.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Like I just At the end of the night, I
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: usually wear active wear all day and I have to
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: go change into my trackies because even that's too uncomfortable
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: for me. Like I am someone that needs to be
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: super comfortable.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Why is this giving me flashbacks to the Dallas Cowboys,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: the second series, you know, when they were doing the
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: makeovers and Dale and I were watching it and they're
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: like sewing hair into women's heads. And I said, Dale,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: this is the reality. This is why these women have
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: the most amazing hair. It's not real.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: It's a wig.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know. Yeah.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Well, as you touched on earlier, Amy, it wasn't just
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Nadia saying, oh, I get this and that done. She
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: did talk about her morning routine and the wellness practices
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: that she does. But she did get more into the
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: nitty gritty when she was asked what the most vainish
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: thing she had ever done was. This is what she said.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: My most vainish moment? I've had quite a few.
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: Quite a few. We've all done it.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: We've all had it. I think probably it would have
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: to be getting my nose done.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: On a nose job. Get your nose done.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Leaving and having pap photos come out everywhere.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: So everyone knew at the hospital that was fun.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: Now, I must have.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Missed this, but back in 2020, Nadia was papped fresh
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: from her hospital stay with a bandage over her nose.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: She did have a mask on because it was 2020
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: and it was COVID times. And I'm thinking she obviously
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: planned it in the height of COVID so she could
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: try and conceal the fact that she'd had it done.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: But unfortunately, the bandage just popped above the mask.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Well, that's actually really clever if she planned it out
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: that way. On the podcast, she was saying that she
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: has no idea how that even got out to the paparazzi.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Like she was even questioning, was it one of the
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: nurses that tipped them off?
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was interesting to hear her finally talk
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: about it because obviously we missed it, but a lot
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: of people would have seen those photos and known that
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: she had got a nose job. And she said that
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: her nose was something that has always made her feel
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: a bit self-conscious growing up. And she said she never
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: wanted to wear her hair up because she felt like
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: it drew focus to her nose. But she said looking
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: back now, she questioned whether she would do it because
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: she said it's something that you think is a really
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: big issue at the time, but it's all in your head.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Well, I never even realized that she had a nose job.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: So obviously- For an outsider like me looking in, I
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: didn't think that she had a problem with her nose.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: It's one of these things that you just pick apart
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: about yourself.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, obviously being in the public eye for nearly
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: 20 years now, like Nadia has, because she started dating
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Jimmy Bartell when she was 21. And a couple of
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: months ago, when all that horrible conversation about Chloe Pink's
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: wedding photos was happening, Nadia came out and spoke about
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: how disgusting the trolling was that she received when she
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: started dating Jimmy. And she said back then, She wasn't
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: in the industry. She was working a nine-to-five job and
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: she was 21 years old and she was having people
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: comment about her facial features and say that she looked
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: like a man. So obviously those comments have really hurt
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: her and potentially could be the reason why she did
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: go get this nose job done.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we spoke about it briefly on our subs episode.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: I have seen so many girlfriends and wives of AFL
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: players popping up on TikTok and all the comments are like,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: you're a four and I thought players only dated tens.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: It's absolutely.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: disgusting yeah well unfortunately for these women that is where
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: these hyper masculine men who love the footy meet across
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: with influencers and it's often the wives and girlfriends of
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: the players who then get abused by these men who
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: normally wouldn't be viewing their content and they think that
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: they have the right to talk about their appearance which
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: is disgusting And.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Then we wonder why these women are queuing up to
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: have all of these medical procedures done because people are vile.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then these men jump in the comments on
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: the Daily Mail when they're reporting on it.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: Oh, you're a narcissist and you're so vain. It's like, well,
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: hang on.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Insecure because of the way that you've spoken to them
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: for years.
• 36:36
  Speaker 7: So I have a funny story.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Robert Irwin has inadvertently put a Coffs Harbour restaurant on
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: the map after accidentally skipping out on the bill.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, this is my favourite story of the week. So
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Rob was road tripping around the east coast of Australia
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: when he stopped at a restaurant to grab a takeaway salad.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: And whilst he was in there, he was absolutely mobbed
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: by fans wanting photos. And in the chaos of it all,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: he forgot to pay for his salad. Now, Rob took
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: to TikTok to explain his error. Let's have a listen
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: to what he said.
• 37:07
  Speaker 9: The next morning I wake up and realize I never
• 37:12
  Speaker 9: paid for my salad. I just did the old dine
• 37:15
  Speaker 9: and dash and I didn't even realize I'd done it.
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: I felt terrible.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: So Rob had already left Coffs Harbour, so he immediately
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: rang the restaurant to see if he could transfer the money.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: The owners told him not to worry and offhandedly said,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: just leave us a good review.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Well, he certainly has delivered on his promise because he
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: skipped the Google review route and instead took to TikTok.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: Here's what he said.
• 37:42
  Speaker 9: There are 8 million of you guys on here, so
• 37:44
  Speaker 9: you know what to do.
• 37:45
  Speaker 7: I have tagged them.
• 37:46
  Speaker 9: Go and support the Jetty Pavilion in Coffs Harbour. A
• 37:50
  Speaker 9: fantastic local business, great team, great food, amazing atmosphere.
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: That's my review. They are the absolute best.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Rob then vowed to return to the Jetty Pavilion to
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: pay for his salad.
• 38:04
  Speaker 7: Today is not the day I start my life of crime.
• 38:07
  Speaker 9: As much as the tabloids would love that, it's not happening.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: So not only was Rob a man of his word
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: and returned to the restaurant unharmed, He also had a
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: sit-down lunch with the owners and paid forward $ 200 worth
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: of salad for others to eat. Could he get any nicer?
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: He's such a legend. His dad would be so proud
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: of him.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: And it's crazy the power of Rob Irwin because his
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: TikTok resulted in this restaurant gaining over 11,000 extra Instagram followers.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: They also got 4,000 new followers on TikTok and they
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: reported a 50% rise in business since the post went live.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: They also said they had 1.5 million hits on their website.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: God, so skipping out on the bill for a $ 20 salad,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: they really made up for it, didn't they?
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and this story has been everywhere. So the Today
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Show did something about it. Seven News ended up doing
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: a story. So what's quite funny is Seven News obviously
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: rung the restaurant and said, oh, can we come down
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: and do something? And this was the day that Rob
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: decided to return to pay for his salad. So they
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: must have been absolutely licking their lips at the fact
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: that they could then get Rob on camera. But a
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: lot of this media attention has made people really cynical
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: and everyone's saying, oh, is this just a big publicity stunt?
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Come on. I mean, it's not like it's, it's not
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: like Robert Irwin's got shares in this restaurant. I think
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: it is just a very lucky opportunity for the restaurant.
• 39:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: So one cynic on TikTok accused Rob and the restaurant
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: of a setup. So they said, surely this was a
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: marketing ploy. Now the restaurant responded saying, oh, absolutely. It
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: was all part of our master plan. Step one, orchestrate chaos.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Step two, collect free publicity. Step three, take over the world.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: And yes, the earth is flat. The dinosaurs had feathers
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: and Elvis is living in Byron with Bigfoot. Another person
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: said cameras had to be there. To which the restaurant responded, yeah,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: what a champ. We told him we had seven years
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: coming as a heads up and he went along with it,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: no fuss.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I somehow don't think Robert Irwin would be racing
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: down there if he knew that the news station was there.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Also, to get somebody like Robert Irwin to be involved
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: in this kind of promotion would cost a huge amount
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: of money. I'd estimate around $ 150, 000. That restaurant is not
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: paying somebody like Rob Irwin to do that.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: No, definitely not.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, all I can think about though is, what
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: salad did Robert eat?
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Like, was it a really nice one?
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it looked amazing. They put a photo of it up.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: It's called the Harvest Bowl. So it's very healthy. I mean,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: obviously he's got that body to maintain that was in
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: the Bonds commercial. So his salad had turmeric, cauliflower, quinoa, avocado,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: pickled veg, cherry tomatoes, sweet potatoes, tahini sauce, and alfalfa sprouts.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: And there are calls for this salad to be named
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: after Rob. Someone suggested it should be called the Dine
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: and Dash Salad.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: I read that the restaurant are actually considering naming it
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: after Rob Irwin, which would make a lot of sense
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: because if they're getting all of this extra business, everyone
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: wants to know which salad he got.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Well, they were also talking about making a Rob Irwin cocktail,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: which was going to involve like a little crocodile and
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: some green jelly and all that sort of stuff.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, I've got a name for it. The Croctail.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: That's good, actually.
• 41:08
  Speaker 7: Righto, guys. I've done it.
• 41:09
  Speaker 10: I've joined Tinder.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Breaking news for Gen Zers. Bailey Smith is on dating
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: app Tinder. The Geelong staff fronted the campaign for the
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: app's new double date feature and a big move to
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: bring Gen Zers back to the app.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Anyone who's got TikTok would have seen this ad popping up.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Every time I logged into it, I saw Bailey Smith's
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: face telling me how he's joined Tinder. They must have
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: put so much money behind this campaign.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was thinking he must have been paid a
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: pretty penny for this ad because he would be absolutely
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: copping it in the change rooms at Geelong.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I had a look on his Instagram account
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: and runner Ned Brockman sarcastically wrote under his announcement post, hey, mate,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: thought you'd be struggling to get dates. Good to see
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: you trying Tinder out. And his comment received 3.7 thousand likes.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: That's absolutely classic. I mean, that's what everyone is thinking.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: There is no way that Bailey Smith is using Tinder
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: to get dates. But he's a great get because it's
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: putting hope out there that maybe hot guys will be
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: on Tinder again. Well, there have been other people popping
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: up on TikTok questioning the legitimacy of, as you said,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: whether he is actually on Tinder.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: And I had a laugh at this video. I need
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: to be financially compensated for having to open up TikTok
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: every single time Bailey Smith advertising Tinder. Firstly, he's not
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: on Tinder. He's on fucking Raya because he's one of
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: those people with those connections.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: I mean, she's got a point.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: If he's on a dating app, he'd be on Raya.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: I was pretty shocked because I know that some of
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: these dating apps have introduced new features like super likes
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: that you have to pay for. But I didn't realize
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: how expensive it was now to be on dating apps.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: It sounds like it costs you an arm and a leg.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: And they actually now have an algorithm which stops you
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: from matching with anyone decent if you don't pay.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think it's on Tinder. You only get
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: 100 swipes every 12 hours.
• 43:00
  Speaker 10: So that's a lot.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but like think how many, like sometimes I've been
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: on Tinder, obviously before I was married, and you would
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: go through 100 people easily and not see anybody that
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: you liked.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, true.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: But what's funny is I remember what, like 10 years ago,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: if you were on Tinder and you were paying for it,
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: you were a bit.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: Of a loser.
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Well, sorry, you weren't a loser, but I think there
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: was that stigma that, oh, why would you pay to
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: go on Tinder? But now that is like Tinder is
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: making billions of dollars each year from people signing up.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Well, you say that, but a lot of the dating
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: apps have actually been having to lay off a lot
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: of staff. Like recently Bumble spoke about how they've lost
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: so much money because people are just not using the
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: apps anymore.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: And do you know why that is? There's been a
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: study and apparently Gen Zers and millennials don't want to
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: meet people online. They actually want to meet people in
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: real life. And a lot of people are saying that
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: running clubs have destroyed online dating apps because people are
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: choosing to go there to meet their partners instead.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: I think it's also a case of people's parents being
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: on the apps and it being seen as this sort
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: of millennial thing now. A lot of elder millennials probably
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: have teenage kids now and you don't want to be
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: on the apps. I know you can pick the age group,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: but you don't really want to be on the same
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: apps as your parents. I think that the app market
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: is now perfect for 40-year-olds. Probably got divorced, looking for
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: something serious. And also, I think with young people, it
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: just became like a booty call place.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Tinder was seen very much as a hookup app.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: And when you look at the stats, it reveals that
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: three quarters of Tinder users are actually men. So you
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: can see why they are rolling out this campaign with
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Bailey Smith. I mean, it's clearly aimed at getting Gen
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Z women back onto the app.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard these apps are completely flooded by men.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: So men in particular have to spend a lot of
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: money in order to actually get served up women. who
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: are on the app that they want to date. And
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  Speaker 2: there are so many men who actually just don't get
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  Speaker 2: any matches because there's just such a big pool of them. Well,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: that's why I think this campaign is so clever because
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  Speaker 2: it's obviously getting the word out to females that Tinder
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  Speaker 2: is the place to be if people like Bailey.
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  Speaker 1: Smith are apparently on there. I mean, the campaign videos
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: that TikTok have done have gone off. Bailey also featured
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  Speaker 1: on the We Mean Well podcast, which is hosted by
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Jack and Lou. They also had Georgia Productions, which is
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: a big Gen Z TikToker. So Tinder have clearly done
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: their research and thought, who are the influencers that are
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: speaking to Gen Zers? And if you think about it,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: how many young girls would be signing up to the
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: subscription so they could actually swipe right on Bailey Smith?
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: I wonder if it's a part of his contract that
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: he actually has to go on a Tinder double date.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Well, he was interviewed on the Today Show and he
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: admitted that he hasn't actually been on any dates yet.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: But he said that his mate Angus, who he signed
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: up with, has been swiping a lot on people. And
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: he said that he actually is a bit annoyed because
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: he thinks that Angus should gain his permission on who
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: he can actually agree to go on these dates with.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: Oh, because he has to join him.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so he obviously doesn't agree with the women that
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: he's swapping with. Wouldn't you be devastated? You're like telling
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: all your friends, oh my God, like Bailey Smith has
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: agreed to go on this date with me. And then
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: he's like shit canning it on the Today Show.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's probably not really good for Tinder either to
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: be like, oh, the quality is not that great.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it was quite funny because in all of the interviews,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: you could tell that he was begrudgingly talking about it.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, Yeah, Tinder has launched this feature where it
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: was very scripted. But still, I think it's been a
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  Speaker 1: massive win for Tinder.
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