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- 0:01OK, good morning. We are continuing Helkos
- 0:03khatsita Simon kuf Saadi khet and we are continuing today
- 0:09we're going to read starting Lahmad Bet.
- 0:11However, in order to understand Lahmad bet, you really need to
- 0:15understand the previous Saif Lahmad Aleph.
- 0:19So I'll just point out real bikitser, please, please see
- 0:23Lahmad Aleph inside. But we learned they're two
- 0:26separate gazeras. 1 is when a woman or anyone who needs to go
- 0:31to the mikvah goes to the mikvah.
- 0:34There's an S, there's 2 Isuri Darabanam. 1 is she's not
- 0:39allowed to when she's when the actual tavila's happening, right
- 0:45when she's actually dunking, she's not At that moment.
- 0:48She cannot be or any, any person cannot be standing on a CLI that
- 0:54is macabatuma. You can't be standing inside a
- 0:59bucket. That's macabre Tuma.
- 1:00You can't be standing in or you can't be standing on on a chair.
- 1:05That's macabre tuma. Again, if they are macabre tuma,
- 1:08we'll give a caveat later on. So that's one Xera xera
- 1:11Mechertza. Oh that people might think it
- 1:13might lead to because people are go inside big baths or Kaylee
- 1:17and whatever in the bath houses. And one might come to think that
- 1:21if you go into the if you can, that if you're in a Klee, you
- 1:24one might think you can just go to the bathhouse and then you're
- 1:27tower for sure or not has to be a kosher mikvah.
- 1:30The other separate Zera is not to stand on any item when you're
- 1:37above the ground because then we're afraid she might lose her
- 1:41footing or she might she was afraid she's going to fall off
- 1:44of it. And then so whatever it is, she
- 1:49won't be comfortable falling. So therefore, because she
- 1:51doesn't want to fall, she's going to be stressed and a
- 1:56little bit anxious. And so when she goes to the
- 1:58mikvah on this thing, this, she's thinking about balancing
- 2:01and not falling and she might not dip properly.
- 2:05She might not check herself. She might not get all of her
- 2:07hair under whatever it is that Vila itself might be a problem
- 2:12on a Derisa level. So therefore they made Xera
- 2:15right for the for the Xera, my heart.
- 2:17So they feel a bit. Do you have it?
- 2:18It doesn't work. She has to go back and for the
- 2:21one of falling off, but the of it it works OK so let's read
- 2:27llama bet and then we'll put the two together.
- 2:30Silone shell aids hakavua Bekar Kahita Tvila.
- 2:34Now, it's normal to have some kind of these pipes or some kind
- 2:39of an item that is kavua. It's nailed in and attached to
- 2:47the ground and can 1 stand on these.
- 2:51So if it doesn't have a perush, misgarit shahs enlo bait kebul.
- 3:03So we're talking about a wooden pipe that has no bait kebul.
- 3:08So it's not macabel tuma. That's the point.
- 3:11We already learned in Lamadalaf to stand on an item that's
- 3:15macabel tuma. That's us or MI Darabana.
- 3:18So if you have a pipe that's not macabre tuma, which and just as
- 3:24an aside, basically any hardware is not macabre tuma.
- 3:28You go to a store, you go to a hardware store.
- 3:30Generally speaking, all materials are not macabre tuma
- 3:34like raw materials, obviously, unless it's like a cleave or
- 3:40it's a a board of wood that's made for a lying on or a board
- 3:45of or for sitting on. And also I've read it's in
- 3:51Deershu meshe mikra kodesh in helkos sukka.
- 3:55It's important to review over there talks about mattresses
- 3:58also if it's for standing on. So anything that's also for
- 4:04standing can also be an issue of macabre qui macabre tuma.
- 4:09OK, so here we're talking about a pipe that's made of wood and
- 4:14there's no bait kibble. There's no miscarriage.
- 4:16The water just will flow off the sites.
- 4:18So then since it's not macabre tuma, it's mutaret la amod
- 4:22Allah, valid bull, you're allowed to stand on top of this
- 4:25pipe and it's not a problem. Now we learned that standing on
- 4:30anything is a problem. She might fall.
- 4:34So as long as it's 4x4, it's fucking she can stand on a
- 4:38platform that's 4 by 4 and that's not a problem as long as
- 4:42it's not macabre tuma, right? There's two factors.
- 4:45Can't be a macabre tuma and it has and it can't be something
- 4:48she's going to fall off of. If it's a surface of four by
- 4:51four and it's not macabre tuma, then she won't fall off.
- 4:55So, but here it's a pipe, it's less than 4 by 4.
- 4:59So the rush explains the source of the halacha is the rush, and
- 5:03the rush himself explains as long as it's kavua to the
- 5:06ground, we're not afraid you're going to fall off.
- 5:10As long as it's attached to the ground, you're not going to fall
- 5:12off. Now trying to keep it simple
- 5:17without getting too complicated. In Lam and Olive, we read a
- 5:21clause that even if it's attached to the wall or to the
- 5:26ground, it's still a problem. So according to the that that
- 5:32case, when it's attached, it's because it's a clean macabre
- 5:35tuma. Again, there's two different
- 5:37history. There are abundance.
- 5:39If it's a problem of it's macabre tuma, it doesn't help
- 5:43that it's attached to the ground or attached to the wall, but
- 5:46it's still a cliche macabre tuma and that doesn't undo the fact.
- 5:49And therefore it's a problem with their abundance for the
- 5:54aspect of she might fall off MI garden.
- 5:57The only problem we're worried about she might fall off is if
- 6:01it's an item that's not kavua to the ground.
- 6:04It could be a court. It could be that look at Hila.
- 6:07One should also be Mahmar. So we'll go with that.
- 6:10It's a little discussion like steps are not ideal because you
- 6:15can fall off since they're less than 4 by 4, but since they're
- 6:19attached to the ground and me Ikardin, if that's so somebody
- 6:22wanted the mikvah for sure. It works OK, but better not to
- 6:27fine. I did not see anyone discuss how
- 6:29high an item might be Right, But this whole discussion started
- 6:33because of mud. We're afraid.
- 6:36The story, the scenario was right with our mikvahs.
- 6:39It's no big deal. It's a tile usually, right?
- 6:41You just walk right down. You stand on the tile, no
- 6:43problem. You don't have to stand up.
- 6:45We had that jump up. We saw that before.
- 6:47You could stand on the ground, no problem.
- 6:49But if a woman is going to a place where it's very, where
- 6:52it's muddy, and so again, it's a whole kashash, what what is
- 6:56which mud is a problem, MI kardin or katila.
- 7:00So we avoid all mud because it sticks to the body.
- 7:03Could be a katita. So how do you avoid that?
- 7:05You just stand on something. So that's really how this
- 7:07halacha started where it originated from.
- 7:12We don't want to have a khatita. So you want to stand on
- 7:14something. OK, So that mostly takes care of
- 7:17that. Now for an item to be, how high
- 7:19does it have to be? So we all learned you're allowed
- 7:21to stand the, the, the Gamara, the the Chalfonarc, right?
- 7:24So you just put, I think it's the Gamara.
- 7:26You just put down Javile Zaitim or some kind of twigs or thin
- 7:30little twigs or branches and you stand on them and then it's not
- 7:32a problem. So that has a little bit of
- 7:35thickness. In other words, to stand on a
- 7:37piece of paper. We're not afraid you're going to
- 7:38fall. I don't, I don't know where, I
- 7:41don't know where the problem of maybe falling begins.
- 7:43Maybe it's a tough, maybe not. But Fila, there's an issue of
- 7:48three talking, but then they say even if it's lower than three
- 7:52talking for the falling problem, right?
- 7:54So anyways, even less than three talking is for sure a problem.
- 7:57I'm not sure if it has to be a tough or not.
- 8:00We'll leave it at that. But anything where you can fall
- 8:02off of, that's where the problem begins.
- 8:05What about a floor mat? Can you throw a floor mat on the
- 8:07mikvah? So again, we don't want any
- 8:08catitas whatsoever, like Aquila. And a floor mat in the stoma we
- 8:12said is macabre tuma because it's midras, even if it's wood,
- 8:16because it's me you had for standing on.
- 8:19That's what I was. I read it that when we say leash
- 8:22Shiva, it's includes or sitting and includes standing.
- 8:26But that could be standing as a maklokas.
- 8:28So but anyways, like Atila, you wouldn't stand on on that
- 8:31either. What about plastic, rubber.
- 8:34So as far as I know, me Ikar, I did.
- 8:36We assume that's not me Kabul Tuma.
- 8:39So to stand on it's plastic kept their chair.
- 8:42Me Ikaradin. Well, you have a problem of
- 8:45falling. You don't have a problem of the
- 8:47kabatuma. But what's it called?
- 8:52But the problem also of sitting, We're going to get to that soon.
- 8:55You don't want to be in a sitting position because I can
- 8:57make extra folds like a fila, OK.
- 9:01The reason why it's important is if a woman can't needs help and
- 9:05she can't stand in the mikvah anyways, the best way we learned
- 9:10not sit on a plastic chair, but to have someone else in there
- 9:13with her and then hold her preferably, you know loose or
- 9:17she doesn't have to hold her the whole time for the moment of
- 9:20dipping bath mats could be plastic or rubber rubber.
- 9:27So then it's should not be a problem regarding but I'm sure
- 9:34it's recommended not to have anything.
- 9:38Good point. Crocs flip flops if you need
- 9:40something you don't want to be touching mud.
- 9:42So MIE carden and a real bicha to choc.
- 9:45I would assume it's OK. I assume it's not macabo tuma
- 9:48because it's rubber and plastic. MIE carden or machmer la catila.
- 9:52So if you're in a sticky situation, Nope.
- 9:55Well it wasn't intended because of the mud.
- 9:58Then that might be a solution for you.
- 10:01Let's see. I think that pretty much
- 10:04addresses, yeah. And just one last thing, we had
- 10:08this we mentioned about a free standing ladder.
- 10:12Well, just when you dip, don't stand on the ladder.
- 10:15Keep it simple. But just to be just to clarify a
- 10:19ladder in general, if it's metal, it's macabre tuma because
- 10:23it's a Cle. But if it's wood, it's all if
- 10:27it's chute cleates, generally we assume it's not macabre tuma
- 10:31unless there's unless it's for midras or it has a bait kibul.
- 10:37So a wooden ladder. If there's a bait kibul in there
- 10:42like pockets or whatever grooves runs, but has to be hollow that
- 10:49are hollow but not completely hollow and there's a bait kibul.
- 10:51So then it's in a Kabul tuma. If it's OK, if it's just a wood
- 10:55ladder that has no bait kubal really mikar, then it's not
- 10:58macabo tuma. So but then depends falling, not
- 11:01falling kavua, Kavua not kavua. OK, let's let's go on.
- 11:05I think we are that enough. Muhammad gilmo Lotus boba
- 11:10Malcolm shesh bakar kaita tit. OK again, we had this before, we
- 11:14have it again. Whenever there's mud, don't go
- 11:17to the mikvah there, you shum khatsitza, because the mud will
- 11:21be a khatsitza. Again, there are so much mud.
- 11:24That's not and depends how thick, but we avoid all mud.
- 11:28Well, in Cane Titan, a Lazumu wrote.
- 11:32So what do you put on there? We had this before.
- 11:33I don't know, some kind of vines.
- 11:35You are able to stand on something, but I heard some say
- 11:39that you should you should try and have it 4 by 4, but again,
- 11:41that's not here. Some item that is the varsh Eno
- 11:47macabre shuma. So it needs to be on something
- 11:49that's not macabre tuma and something that's not tall enough
- 11:53that you're going to fall off. We're afraid.
- 11:54Issue is we don't want her to be afraid that she's going to fall
- 11:57off IM tavla and if she went to the mikva like this Yesh omrim
- 12:02Shalotta la tvila. Some say that she's not you
- 12:08would say right. Some say she's not you would say
- 12:14but of all Rove haposki material, but the avid then most
- 12:18say it does work. OK, I think we'll stop here.
- 12:23And we the the the Taj just points out if it's like, yeah,
- 12:28and I believe so. And the Taj just points out it's
- 12:30a little different if it's a person or it's a bigger problem
- 12:36of mud. But if it's if you're dipping
- 12:38the Klee in the Mikla, I don't think we usually dip big chairs
- 12:41in beds. But if you are, we're less
- 12:43worried about the mud sticking, right?
- 12:46So it depends on what kind of mud.
- 12:49Right. We said that already.
- 12:50Fine. OK.
- 12:53Llama Dalid loyalty bowl of Malcolm Shesh Kashashi Rubeni
- 12:56Adami. A person should not go to a
- 13:01place to to dip in the mikvah right an open river and an open
- 13:05lake where there's people who can see her because she's going
- 13:08to be embarrassed right? Or it's not Sunius.
- 13:10So therefore she's going to be do it really quick.
- 13:13She's going to be doesn't want anyone to see her.
- 13:15Ain't I'm in that decade, but Fila.
- 13:17So since she's in a rush, she's not, she may not be very careful
- 13:21to check and to make sure she does everything that needs to be
- 13:25done to make sure it's a good Tavila Umilu Bediyevid.
- 13:30But you have it. It works as long as she knows
- 13:33that she did a mikvah properly. As long as you dip properly, it
- 13:37works. But it's just a kashash.
- 13:40You shouldn't. Don't put yourself in a
- 13:42situation where you might not do a good job.
- 13:46OK, Lahmat. Hey, floated bolem coma zakufa.
- 13:51All right, so now we know a woman should not stand
- 13:54completely straight. She shouldn't sit.
- 13:56We're gonna we said, and she shouldn't stand completely
- 13:59straight erect Bupinatiyeshima coma chamisa trimba, because
- 14:03based on our, I don't know, crevices and wrinkles or just
- 14:07through our anatomy that certain places get extra covered up
- 14:12velour don't bend down too much because then you go to the other
- 14:21extreme when you're bending over all the way and then you get new
- 14:25crevices that that I don't know, overlap each other.
- 14:30Ella Shoka, me aunt, you just bend over a little bit.
- 14:34Aaji, you citre beta airbender in Cadera, Shanir in Bishashi or
- 14:39Rahet. You should be a little bit bent
- 14:41over like, I don't know if maybe if you're, I don't know, leaning
- 14:47over to, I don't know, braid holla.
- 14:50I don't know, doing something that you're a little bit leaning
- 14:52over. I don't have the best example
- 14:54right now. And that she should be leaning
- 15:01over a little bit so that if she is nursing, so her breasts are
- 15:06leaning forward a little bit so that it's you have a little bit
- 15:09of, of more space for the water to get into the crevices via
- 15:15takat be tashaki niraka deraka Nirakisha Raghit bounding.
- 15:20And so, and her she shouldn't have her arms tight, you know,
- 15:24tight against her the sides of her torso.
- 15:28She should extend her arms a little bit or spread them out a
- 15:32little bit so the armpits have a little bit of room as if she is
- 15:35using her arms like she's she's kneading, she's doing something
- 15:40or regular. It was sewing really.
- 15:41But Anna three, your hotel zoom is a termi diet.
- 15:45Spread out her legs a little bit, not too much.
- 15:47Become lower. Laharik 0, Tell me a goof.
- 15:49Your termi. I don't spread out your arms too
- 15:51much either. Then you end up making, I don't
- 15:53know, maybe it's on your shoulders, but you end up making
- 15:55extra creases that folds of your skin.
- 15:59The term you die Ella kaderak shahim beiti Luka.
- 16:02You should just go a little bit spread apart your legs like
- 16:04you're walking the EM shin takagon sheshakta bioter ozakfa
- 16:08bioter alta latvila now and you have it.
- 16:12If she was too far over or standing too erect, but you have
- 16:16it. We say it works.
- 16:17Miesha Misha Omar shalo alta and but there is an opinion and says
- 16:22it doesn't work and she has to go again.
- 16:24OK, Ahmed Valve. OK, when she's standing, how
- 16:34deep does the water have to come up above her?
- 16:37Can she go into a, you know, a flat pond and she's going to
- 16:40have to like lie down in or you know, how high the water?
- 16:43How deep does the mikvah have to be right?
- 16:46So the water should come up to has to be at least above her
- 16:52belly button. How much?
- 16:53A zaret Le Fajot, at least a zaret, which is 1/2 of an AMA.
- 16:59Now sometimes in Khazal it's a half AMA.
- 17:01Sometimes we see it's a third there in the post game.
- 17:04Sometimes it's a half of 6 talking, 1/2 of five talking.
- 17:08Well, I might say like tequila, we say it needs to be at least
- 17:111/2 of an AMA that we're familiar with.
- 17:14So if I'm not, that would be what was it, 20?
- 17:18What am I blinking? Is it 24?
- 17:20No 1212 that's about makes it whatever 24 centimeters, 24
- 17:30centimeters is 1/2 of an AMA fine.
- 17:33So that's how like Aquila, the water should be fine.
- 17:37And I mean that's the 40 S should be the 40.
- 17:41Well, OK, the mikvah must have 40 S in water, but it could be a
- 17:46tough a high if if it's, you know, a swimming pool.
- 17:50So it has to be where it's if you only have 40 S, it's got to
- 17:54be a very small mikva. So the water is high enough or,
- 17:58or you have a whatever normal size mikva and then you're going
- 18:00to end up with more than 40 S But yeah, the height of the
- 18:04water when she goes in it must be, let's just say it's a little
- 18:10bit less than a foot, right? A foot is 30 centimeters.
- 18:13Anyways, whatever it is, I mean, yeah, fine.
- 18:16LA mid zein yesh Misha Omer shahaf al Pisha in begova mea
- 18:22mikvaalot behenko gufa. OK, so the mikva is not really
- 18:27tall enough. There's not enough water in
- 18:29there isn't there is 40s, but it's a wide mikva and it doesn't
- 18:33go it doesn't get too it doesn't get high enough for her.
- 18:36The only way she can be, but her body needs to be completely
- 18:40underwater, right? Every strand of hair in her
- 18:42entire body. So the only way to make it work
- 18:45is because it's a low, the water is low, Ellen came Panera vegufa
- 18:49kabushi in bakarca shopper Dame. So the only way that she can do
- 18:53it, if she lies down on her stomach and that works and
- 18:57that's enough. So bedievit, or really if that's
- 19:01the only Mecca that's available for her, then she's allowed to
- 19:05use it. It's only it's a homra, it's a
- 19:09la khakila lamadvov, but it's a MI caridin homra la khakila.
- 19:13That's what we need to do. But if it's not, if it's not
- 19:16available, then she could still go into this mikvah.
- 19:19OK, right. The other problem is right, The
- 19:27other problem, right. Do you want to make sure you're
- 19:30completely under and if she's going to be lying down or
- 19:34bending over too much lying down also that's the same as being
- 19:36erect. You're going to have folds that
- 19:38are not completely not ideal. Correct.
- 19:40That's also why very good. Thank you, La Merchette.
- 19:47So this we had. She doesn't have to open up her
- 19:50mouth, right? Her mouth is beta styrene, and
- 19:54so therefore it only has to be right.
- 19:56Oi Libias. Mayim has to be able to have
- 19:58Mayim come in, right? They can't have a Hatsita in her
- 20:01mouth, but you don't actually have to have water.
- 20:04So she can leave her mouth closed, but she shouldn't close
- 20:10her lips too tight. Or we saw you shouldn't, or we
- 20:15we said you shouldn't clench your teeth.
- 20:18But we did see by the evidence that it's in the piece he
- 20:22brings, that it works, that it's OK.
- 20:24The velocity quad sotate term we dive in capsa lo altala tavila
- 20:29ella tashiq SE torteso azo debuk benoni.
- 20:32Now, if you enter the water when your mouth was well, let's do
- 20:38step by step the the word say if she closed her lips too tightly,
- 20:44she's not Yosei and she has to go again.
- 20:47So the proper way to do it is you make your lips closed a
- 20:51little bit. You could have them open, that's
- 20:53OK too, but or you could have it just lightly touching and that's
- 20:57fine. And as long as now, certainly
- 21:03it's OK if they're lightly touching, as long as they're a
- 21:05wet right, because keyboard and it's not a problem.
- 21:09But it's also beta sturium. It's not a problem, but OK.
- 21:13But like Khila should not be too tight, especially if it was dry,
- 21:20right? Don't fold your lips in or
- 21:21pucker or whatever it is. OK llama tet look tatsi mania
- 21:26bioter similar to the ice. You should not your eyelet with
- 21:30your eyelids. Don't close them too tight.
- 21:33But ah tifta can be a termidae. Don't open them too tight
- 21:36because you're going to have folds either way.
- 21:38Bioterra VE masta cane show me inshallah altala tavila.
- 21:42And if she did, then it's a problem.
- 21:44And some say it didn't work. And so therefore she should have
- 21:48to go to the mikvah. You should have to redid.
- 22:00OK, ma'am, sorry. So when a woman goes to the
- 22:04mikvah or anyone who really needs to go to the den, to the
- 22:07mikvah me den, you should always have somebody watching you,
- 22:11right? Someone to spot you maybe call
- 22:14him a balanit or whatever spotter and therefore to make
- 22:18sure that when she goes into the water, but it must be a woman,
- 22:21right? A woman for a woman, a man for a
- 22:23man at least she must be at least 12 years old.
- 22:28She must be at least a godola very good, not a minor
- 22:32bishashihito valet so that when she goes in she tears she'll a
- 22:35share me say arrow Shasha. She sees that she doesn't have
- 22:39any hair floating above, above the water sticking out.
- 22:43That's off opening mine right? Floating on the water.
- 22:45VM Alamisha Tamil Algaba and picture.
- 22:48What if she doesn't have anyone? Oh, Shu Belila.
- 22:51Oh that it's night time and no one can see, right?
- 22:56There's no lights on. If there are no lights, so then
- 22:59she could still go to the mikvah, right?
- 23:00Like Adhila, she needs a Balani. She needs a woman to watch her.
- 23:03But what if not? So then the next best thing is
- 23:06tikrok Sara al rosha bekhute samer be ratsua Shibarosha.
- 23:12What do you do? You put your hair in a light
- 23:16pony. You put some kind of you tie it.
- 23:19Sure, she should tie all of her hair together into a pony that's
- 23:22not tight at all, a little bit loose.
- 23:24And so therefore she can make sure that she goes completely
- 23:27under the water. And that works when you have no
- 23:30choice. And then it'll be Shatak Ubilvad
- 23:33Shatira FM has to be loose Bishar Sharot Shalkhutim
- 23:37Hallelim or there's tubes and things, whatever.
- 23:41It's a water can get through Keshii aroma.
- 23:44So I skipped Oh kosher begged roughly ulceratea.
- 23:49Or she can tie it around when she goes under.
- 23:53Now what if that's what if only if there's and if it's not
- 23:58possible. The post came say she can also
- 24:00hold her hair and make sure that she's OK that it's that she's
- 24:05completely under. If you have no choice, you can
- 24:07hold your hair. Also, if you If it's deep
- 24:10enough, a woman knows. Again, if a woman knows your
- 24:15hair is only so long and she's able to dunk her head so deep
- 24:20that it's not possible. Again, a woman knows if she's if
- 24:24she can rely on herself and I also saw and kept her mouthless.
- 24:30Daddy says also a man is if necessary, can also can also
- 24:35watch and make sure that she goes to the mikvah.
- 24:38He's also able to her husband, her husband correct the husband
- 24:43until she comes out correct, but he's not allowed to touch her.
- 24:47But he is allowed to to watch and be shot the truck.
- 24:50Yeah, only be shot the truck right at the time of the mikvah
- 24:54and it's really basically what's it called pass Basalo basically
- 25:00anyways stuff.