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Re-Indicted And It Feels So Good (with Hillary Clinton!) · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Alex Wagner.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Jon Lovett.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Tommy Vitor.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Dan Pfeiffer.
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  Speaker 1: We have a fantastic show for you tonight. We got
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  Speaker 1: the host of Alex Wagner tonight on MSNBC, Alex Wagner.
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  Speaker 1: We got New York Attorney General Tish James. The Daily
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  Speaker 1: Show's Roy Wood Jr., And someone who I imagine might
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  Speaker 1: have something to say about the news.
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  Speaker 4: Of the day.
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  Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton is here. All right, let's jump right in.
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  Speaker 1: You guys want to talk about the debt ceiling? No,
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  Speaker 1: not the debt ceiling. Donald Trump is taking his talent
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  Speaker 1: for crime to South Beach on Tuesday. where he'll be
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  Speaker 1: arraigned in Miami on 37 felony counts related to stealing
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  Speaker 1: America's nuclear secrets and war plans, leaving these secrets scattered
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  Speaker 1: around his beach club, showing them off to random strangers,
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  Speaker 1: hiding them from the FBI, and then lying about it.
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  Speaker 1: In the unsealed and incredibly detailed indictment, special counsel Jack
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  Speaker 1: Smith will try to prove Trump's guilt with evidence that
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  Speaker 1: includes video surveillance footage, testimony and written notes from Trump's
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  Speaker 1: own employees and lawyers, and, of course, audio recordings from
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  Speaker 1: Trump himself. If convicted, the twice-impeached, twice-indicted 76-year-old criminal defendant
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  Speaker 1: could serve the rest of his life in prison or.
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  Speaker 3: All right, all right, all right. That's never what it
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  Speaker 3: was about.
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  Speaker 1: Or he could be the next president of the United States.
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  Speaker 1: Either way, what a country. Both sides, journalism. That's where
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  Speaker 1: we are. Alex, so you were our very first guest
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  Speaker 1: at our very first Pod Save America live show right
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  Speaker 1: here in New York City.
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  Speaker 6: You're welcome.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: I think I was the one that really kicked it
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  Speaker 2: all off.
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  Speaker 1: It was you and Bill de Blasio.
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  Speaker 2: I'll leave that one right there.
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  Speaker 1: So I went back to look at the headlines from
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  Speaker 1: that day. Here are the headlines. Trump turns Mar-a-Lago terrace
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  Speaker 1: into an open-air situation room. Mar-a-Lago guest takes picture with
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  Speaker 1: nuclear football. And Trump ran a campaign based on intelligence security.
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  Speaker 1: That's not how he's governing. So time is a flat circle. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Knowing that the behavior he's been charged with isn't exactly
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  Speaker 1: out of character, what, if anything, surprised you about this
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  Speaker 1: indictment as especially damning for Trump?
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  Speaker 7: Where to begin, John? I think there are probably a
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  Speaker 7: few things. It's hard to pick one thing. Number one,
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  Speaker 7: storing classified documents, including war secrets and details on nuclear programs,
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  Speaker 7: next to a toilet.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's just never a good visual. And it's not
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  Speaker 2: a good look. Yeah, that.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's a good place if you want to
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  Speaker 3: need some light reading.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah. I mean, that's where sports, like old issues of
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  Speaker 7: like Sports Illustrated and Mad Magazine go, not like the
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  Speaker 7: Iran nuclear attack plans. And I don't, I mean, I
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  Speaker 7: remember getting the hard copy of the New York Times
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  Speaker 7: this weekend and you just, you just have to show
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  Speaker 7: that photo. And it's almost kind of a say, enough
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  Speaker 7: said moment. But, The other part of it that I
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  Speaker 7: found particularly galling was the fact that, and I don't
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  Speaker 7: think enough attention has been paid to this, Trump got
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  Speaker 7: a Navy man, Walt Nauda, who is, you know, not
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  Speaker 7: someone who's part of this world in terms of like
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  Speaker 7: the executive concerns of the president of the United States.
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  Speaker 7: He's very much someone who is Trump's body man. He's
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  Speaker 7: responsible for the Diet Cokes. He's responsible for packing the luggage.
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  Speaker 7: And he used a career service person to do the
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  Speaker 7: dirty work. And yes, Walt now to lie to federal investigators.
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  Speaker 7: But I tend to think of him as in some
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  Speaker 7: ways almost a lamb that's being led to the slaughterhouse.
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  Speaker 7: And I think it's completely unconscionable that Trump knew that
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  Speaker 7: he was doing something wrong and enlisted this person who
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  Speaker 7: has nothing to do with any of this to be
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  Speaker 7: his co-conspirator in obstruction of justice, for example. That seems
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  Speaker 7: particularly egregious.
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  Speaker 2: And then finally, we can't lose sight of this.
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  Speaker 7: The fact that he is fundraising at this moment off
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  Speaker 7: of a smear campaign against the federal government that he
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  Speaker 7: seeks to once again lead.
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  Speaker 2: That is bonkers.
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  Speaker 7: And the big picture of that, that this man is
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  Speaker 7: running for president as he seeks to impugn the US
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  Speaker 7: government and fundraise off of it is so craven and so,
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  Speaker 7: I think, morally wrong That should be focused on, I think,
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  Speaker 7: as we talk about all the other sins that have
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  Speaker 7: been committed.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't even think about the fundraising.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, there's so many levels to the wrongdoing that
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  Speaker 7: it's hard to pick just one.
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  Speaker 1: Anyone else have any moments in the indictment they found
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  Speaker 1: particularly shocking, incriminating, hilarious?
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  Speaker 3: I think we can stipulate that none of it was shocking.
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  Speaker 3: The one thing I will say... you're reminded of, and
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  Speaker 3: it isn't shocking, but it is, I think, bracing to
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  Speaker 3: see in print is just what a shambolic, small-time, two-bit
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  Speaker 3: fucking criminal this guy is. The stakes are so high.
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  Speaker 3: And he's got his aide running around Mar-a-Lago with boxes
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  Speaker 3: trying to stay one step ahead of his own lawyers,
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  Speaker 3: doors opening and closing like a Benny Hill movie.
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  Speaker 1: I also think that it's the perfect Trump crime. Everyone
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  Speaker 1: was like, what's the motive, right? Was he trying to
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  Speaker 1: sell secrets? Was it financial? Was it this? No, he
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  Speaker 1: was trying to win a pissing match with one of
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  Speaker 1: his former people who served in his administration in the press.
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  Speaker 1: A pissing match in the press. That's what he wanted
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  Speaker 1: to win.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, 100% ego, just trying to impugn the reputation of
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  Speaker 7: the former Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mark Milley.
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  Speaker 3: There's one place in which I have to say I'm
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  Speaker 3: sympathetic to Donald Trump, and it is this. He would
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  Speaker 3: rather go to jail than clean out his closets. And
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  Speaker 3: I think that that's cool because he was one boring
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  Speaker 3: Sunday away from going through all of his old shit.
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  Speaker 3: And we all have that closet.
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  Speaker 1: I have to say, like, I was just shocked that
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  Speaker 1: there are audio tapes of him. Not like audio tape.
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  Speaker 1: And this audio was not, it's not like supporting evidence.
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  Speaker 1: It's him saying, like, this is secret. Look at it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to show you. I could have declassified it.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't. Now I can't.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't that interesting?
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  Speaker 1: Isn't that interesting? Now we have a problem. Now we
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  Speaker 1: have a problem. They're all laughing. And it's on audio tape.
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  Speaker 1: It's not great. Tommy, you're the person up here most
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  Speaker 1: familiar with the kind of highly classified information that Trump stole.
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  Speaker 1: You've also talked about how there's a legitimate debate over
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  Speaker 1: whether our government overclassifies information that doesn't really need to
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  Speaker 1: be that secret. Based on what we know from both
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  Speaker 1: the indictment and reporting. How serious is what Trump did
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  Speaker 1: from a national security perspective?
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  Speaker 8: I think it's safe to say these were not over-classified documents.
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  Speaker 8: I think there's sort of two categories, like what we
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  Speaker 8: know he took and what maybe got out. We know
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  Speaker 8: he took secret war plans, stuff about their nuclear program,
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  Speaker 8: information derived from human intelligence, so CIA spies or assets
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  Speaker 8: all over the world. We know the president usually gets
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  Speaker 8: the best stuff We know that he showed off the
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  Speaker 8: secret Iran war plan to some journalists. We know that
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  Speaker 8: he bragged to a guy from his pack about, we
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  Speaker 8: think it was probably a map of Afghanistan, a classified
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  Speaker 8: map of Afghanistan, given the timing. And we know that
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  Speaker 8: there was one box kind of splayed out all over
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  Speaker 8: the floor with classified stuff. So those are the documents
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  Speaker 8: he took. It's interesting to me, though, that DOJ doesn't
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  Speaker 8: say in the indictment that they know they got back
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  Speaker 8: everything yet. In fact, it sounds like the secret Pentagon
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  Speaker 8: plan to attack Iran is still missing, still floating around.
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  Speaker 1: Out there somewhere.
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  Speaker 8: And we know that DOJ has no idea if any
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  Speaker 8: of the tens of thousands of people who are traipsed
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  Speaker 8: through Mar-a-Lago all the time got access to this information.
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  Speaker 8: We know that in 2019, there was a Chinese businesswoman,
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  Speaker 8: in air quotes, who was arrested for trespassing in at Mar-a-Lago,
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  Speaker 8: when the cops searched your hotel room, they found a
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  Speaker 8: device that's used to find hidden cameras, they found SIM cards,
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  Speaker 8: they found jump drives.
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  Speaker 1: They found like nine jump drives. All kinds of spy
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  Speaker 1: gear everywhere, right?
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  Speaker 8: So we know that like foreign intelligence agencies have tried
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  Speaker 8: to get into Mar-a-Lago.
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  Speaker 1: Little did they know, they just had to go to
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  Speaker 1: the right ballroom or bathroom. Bathroom. And like the keys
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  Speaker 1: to the kingdom were just there.
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  Speaker 8: So I think, you know, we know what he took
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  Speaker 8: and we know that he exposed some of the most
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  Speaker 8: sensitive information the government has to disclosure. we may never
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  Speaker 8: know what actually got out there. And I think that's
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  Speaker 8: the thing that freaks out the intel people the most.
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  Speaker 2: Can I just say one thing?
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  Speaker 7: I spoke with the former director of the CIA, John Brennan,
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  Speaker 7: and the intelligence community is supposed to be doing an
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  Speaker 7: assessment of how damaging the retention of these documents has
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  Speaker 7: been to U.S.
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  Speaker 2: National security interests.
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  Speaker 7: And he said, I doubt that assessment is ever going
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  Speaker 7: to be complete because we'll really never know. He said
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  Speaker 7: if foreign intelligence agents were at Mar-a-Lago, they weren't taking
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  Speaker 7: the documents, they were taking.
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  Speaker 2: Pictures of them, right? And maybe they didn't take photos,
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  Speaker 2: who knows?
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  Speaker 7: But determining that conclusively is almost impossible, which is, I think,
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  Speaker 7: devastating for people who see, you know, a toilet and
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  Speaker 7: a potentially, you know, nuclear plans sitting in the same room.
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  Speaker 8: You would probably need a CIA asset within the Chinese
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  Speaker 8: intelligence service to say, to tell us back that we got.
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  Speaker 1: This information, right? Like, we need to, like, learn from
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  Speaker 1: the inside. So it could take decades. I saw in
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  Speaker 1: one story that Trump people are floating a possible defense that, well,
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  Speaker 1: at least he didn't show any of this stuff to
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  Speaker 1: foreign nationals. Which, like, it's like, number one, that's not
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  Speaker 1: the law. And number two, we don't know that. Like,
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  Speaker 1: these are, keep in mind, the Bedminster thing with Mark
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  Speaker 1: Milley and the representative from the PAC, those are the
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  Speaker 1: only things that Jackson has evidence of. Who knows what
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  Speaker 1: else he showed to who else?
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  Speaker 8: We know that in 2017, he was in the Oval
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  Speaker 8: Office with Sergei Lavrov and the Russian ambassador, and he
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  Speaker 8: coughed up to them. He started bragging about getting really
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  Speaker 8: sensitive intelligence about ISIS, and in so doing... disclose the
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  Speaker 8: fact that the Israeli intelligence services had an asset inside ISIS.
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  Speaker 8: Like the most sensitive thing you could possibly just cough
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  Speaker 8: up to the worst possible people.
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  Speaker 3: I think you're being deeply unfair, John. I think it's
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  Speaker 3: very possible that the only two times he showed the
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  Speaker 3: documents were the two times he.
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  Speaker 1: Was being taped. Honestly, possible, I guess.
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  Speaker 3: This is sort of unrelated. I also say that this
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  Speaker 3: is bad news for people who think Donald Trump had
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  Speaker 3: evidence of aliens.
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  Speaker 1: We would know for sure.
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  Speaker 3: Because.
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  Speaker 3: He wouldn't have sat on that.
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  Speaker 1: No. He would have tweeted it out. Truthed it out, sorry. So, Lovett,
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  Speaker 1: obviously indictment seems incredibly damning. Few challenges for prosecutors, though.
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  Speaker 1: I see a couple. One is getting a speedy trial
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  Speaker 1: that at least starts before November of 2024. Two is
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  Speaker 1: getting a jury in South Florida that doesn't have any
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  Speaker 1: Trump fans on it. And three, and maybe the biggest,
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  Speaker 1: is that the case has been assigned to Trump-appointed judge
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  Speaker 1: Aileen Cannon. whose rulings about the FBI raid of Mar-a-Lago
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  Speaker 1: were so bad that they were reversed by the very
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  Speaker 1: conservative 11th Circuit Court of Appeals. How much does all
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  Speaker 1: this matter to the government's case?
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  Speaker 3: It matters a fair amount. There's sort of debate amongst
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  Speaker 3: even legal experts about how bad a draw it is
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  Speaker 3: that it is Eileen Cannon. No one thinks it's good.
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  Speaker 3: Some people think it's not as bad as we think,
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  Speaker 3: and some people think it's as bad as it could
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  Speaker 3: possibly be. The ability to drag out all of the
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  Speaker 3: pretrial procedures that'll be about classified information, about the Trump
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  Speaker 3: lawyers accusing the DOJ of overreach and prosecutorial misconduct. They'll
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  Speaker 3: be about the fact that some of the evidence is
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  Speaker 3: privileged conversations. Those are all places where the judge can
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  Speaker 3: make a bunch of trouble before it goes to trial,
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  Speaker 3: in trial. We don't know how this person would conduct themselves.
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  Speaker 3: We also don't yet know that this judge will be
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  Speaker 3: the trial judge, right? That can change, can seek a
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  Speaker 3: different judge. One reason to be little less pessimistic is
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  Speaker 3: you have to think that the prosecutors thought about this
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  Speaker 3: and how they constructed the indictment, the evidence they included,
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  Speaker 3: the evidence they haven't included. Like one thought that some
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  Speaker 3: experts looking at the evidence that was included in the
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  Speaker 3: indictment are saying is these are classified documents they assume
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  Speaker 3: are already compromised, so they might be comfortable releasing, making
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  Speaker 3: them part of the trial, whatever. We don't yet know,
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  Speaker 3: but it's a very bad draw that this person is
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  Speaker 3: just a Trump flunky And wild to think that you
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  Speaker 3: could be accused of a federal crime and then the
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  Speaker 3: judge is someone to whom you gave an amazing promotion.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and I think it's not just that she is
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  Speaker 1: a Trump flunky, though that is certainly part of the problem.
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  Speaker 1: But the three-judge panel from the 11th Circuit when they
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  Speaker 1: ruled against her, and that three-judge panel included two Trump
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  Speaker 1: judges and a Bush judge, and they admonished her for, quote,
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  Speaker 1: carving out an unprecedented exception in our law for former presidents.
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  Speaker 1: So one thing that, like you said, Jack Smith can
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  Speaker 1: do and the special counsel can do is say, well,
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  Speaker 1: first of all, they can request that she voluntarily recuse herself.
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  Speaker 1: She can decide to do that or not. The rule
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  Speaker 1: is basically if you don't appear impartial, then you should
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  Speaker 1: recuse yourself. If she doesn't do that, then they can
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  Speaker 1: appeal it. But that's a very hard one to prove.
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  Speaker 1: But I do think that the 11th Circuit, even as
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  Speaker 1: very conservative as it is, has already said that she
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  Speaker 1: was not impartial in that case.
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  Speaker 7: And really threw into question her legal acumen in all
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  Speaker 7: of this. And I think some folks have said maybe
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  Speaker 7: it's a good thing that she's effectively.
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  Speaker 2: Had her wrist slapped so publicly.
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  Speaker 7: By Trump-appointed judges, and whether that curbs her instinct to
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  Speaker 7: be forthrightly in the tank for Trump the next go-round,
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  Speaker 7: which would be this go-round, but I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Which would require an amenability to shame.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right. That is true.
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  Speaker 3: Short supply.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and she's a federal judge who, she has that
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  Speaker 1: job for life.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we've depleted the strategic shame reserves, unfortunately.
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  Speaker 1: Dan, we will get to the politics of the Republican
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  Speaker 1: reaction to the indictment in a bit. Wondering if you
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  Speaker 1: can respond to the substance of the criticism we've heard
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  Speaker 1: so far, which boils down to, to try to summarize it, A,
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  Speaker 1: Trump secretly declassified all this classified information when he was president,
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  Speaker 1: just like mind trick kind of thing. B, this is
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  Speaker 1: an administrative issue under the Presidential Records Act, not a
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  Speaker 1: national security issue under the Espionage Act. And this seems
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  Speaker 1: to be the most common now. This is a partisan
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  Speaker 1: weaponization of government because Trump got charged, even though Hillary
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  Speaker 1: Clinton and Joe Biden haven't. And this is a double
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  Speaker 1: standard of justice and blah, blah, blah. What do you
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  Speaker 1: say to all your Trump loving friends and family who
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  Speaker 1: offer these excuses to you?
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  Speaker 9: I would humbly suggest that you not engage your Trump
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  Speaker 9: loving friends and family about this and focus more on
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  Speaker 9: your like MAGA curious aunt or your Biden skeptical cousin.
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  Speaker 9: Like that's where we should go with this.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So cousin median voter.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: So let's try to take these one at a time.
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  Speaker 9: So on the question of whether Trump declassified them, presidents
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  Speaker 9: can basically declassify things with mind tricks like that is
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  Speaker 9: available to them. And Trump has made that argument on
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  Speaker 9: Twitter or on Truth Social, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: Where you make your legal arguments.
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  Speaker 9: Where it is definitely not a crime to lie. Trump
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  Speaker 9: aides have made it on cable news where it's definitely
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  Speaker 9: not a crime to lie. No one has made it
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  Speaker 9: in a court of law where it is a crime
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  Speaker 9: to lie. And as you pointed out, he is on
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  Speaker 9: tape saying that he did not declassify it. So I
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  Speaker 9: think we dispense with that one. The second one is
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  Speaker 9: Presidential Records Act versus Espionage Act. And Trump's trying to
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  Speaker 9: imply that Jack Smith went out of his way to
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  Speaker 9: charge him under the more serious statute. The Presidential Records
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  Speaker 9: Act simply says that you can't destroy records. Presidential records
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  Speaker 9: are the property of the government, and before you leave
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  Speaker 9: the White House, as a soon-departing president, you have to
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  Speaker 9: separate government records that go to the archives and your
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  Speaker 9: personal records, which you can keep. Trump obviously did not
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  Speaker 9: do that. He seems to have violated that, but that
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  Speaker 9: has nothing to do with the crimes he's been charged with.
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  Speaker 9: He has been charged with 37 felony counts related to
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  Speaker 9: illegally retaining classified information, national defense information, in doing it,
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  Speaker 9: imposing extreme measures to hold onto that information after the
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  Speaker 9: government has asked for it back. As you said, moving
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  Speaker 9: boxes to save head of things, lying to his attorneys,
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  Speaker 9: lying to prosecutors, encouraging other people to lie, encouraging his
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  Speaker 9: attorney to pluck out the damning stuff before they turned
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  Speaker 9: it over to the government. The crimes committed here are
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  Speaker 9: under the Espionage Act. They have nothing to do with
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  Speaker 9: the President's Record Act. But if we wanted to charge
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  Speaker 9: him with violation of the Record Act, that is also
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  Speaker 9: available to them, which is not necessary. The third thing
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  Speaker 9: here is whether, how is this different than what Joe
• 17:43
  Speaker 9: Biden did or Mike Pence did, which is under, they went,
• 17:46
  Speaker 9: after we found out that Donald Trump had classified documents, they,
• 17:50
  Speaker 9: on their own, conducted a search of their documents and
• 17:52
  Speaker 9: they found in their possession classified documents they did not
• 17:55
  Speaker 9: know they had.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: And what did they do when they found those? They
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: turned them over to the government.
• 18:01
  Speaker 9: And what is interesting here, Trump obviously did not do that.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: He tried very hard not to turn it over. He
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: refused to respond to them. He lied to them. He
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: hid them.
• 18:08
  Speaker 9: To this date, he may not have turned them all over.
• 18:10
  Speaker 9: But the way you know that this is not some
• 18:12
  Speaker 9: sort of differential treatment is that Trump was not charged
• 18:15
  Speaker 9: for any of the documents he turned over. He's only
• 18:17
  Speaker 9: charged for the ones he refused to turn over.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: And he returned some that were classified.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: We think accidentally.
• 18:24
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: He returned some boxes for which there were classified documents.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: It was the boring classified stuff. He was like, oh,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: this is boring. Right.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: Nada moves a bunch of boxes out, lets his lawyer
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: go through the ones he left behind. The classified documents
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: from that batch, they sealed in an envelope. They returned.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Unbeknownst to the lawyer, there's another room full of documents.
• 18:42
  Speaker 7: I think he had Nada move 64 boxes out. And
• 18:46
  Speaker 7: now to only return 30 to the storage unit.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Here's the simple, I mean, you're not supposed to take
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: nuclear secrets from the White House as a souvenir when
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: you leave. I don't think the Espionage Act envisioned that.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: I don't think the Presidential Records Act envisioned that. And
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: then when the government asks for the nuclear secrets that
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: you stole from the White House back, you're not supposed
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: to lie to them and then hide them somewhere else.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: Every president gets one secret. one get-out-of-jail-free card to return
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: the nuclear secrets they kept in their house.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: That's it, though.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: Kind of true.
• 19:19
  Speaker 10: It is.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: I'm serious.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: That's real.
• 19:21
  Speaker 7: I just, I keep going back to like, it's, the
• 19:24
  Speaker 7: Atlantic had a piece that was like the dumbest crime ever.
• 19:27
  Speaker 7: And it is kind of the dumbest crime ever, right?
• 19:30
  Speaker 7: Especially if he wasn't actually using this for profit and
• 19:32
  Speaker 7: it was just ego and settling political scores. And it
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: does sort of open your mind chamber to like, if
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: this is what he was doing with the documents, what
• 19:40
  Speaker 7: else was he doing in the Oval Office when he
• 19:42
  Speaker 7: was president?
• 19:43
  Speaker 9: When this became the dumbest crime ever, it just surpassed
• 19:45
  Speaker 9: the other dumbest crime also committed by Trump when he
• 19:48
  Speaker 9: tried to extort the Ukrainians.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Thought you were going to talk about the hush money payment.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: We've got a lot now. And we've got a couple
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: more coming, maybe. We'll see. All right. We have a
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: lot more indictment news to talk about right after we
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: bring out your Attorney General, Tish James.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: Thank you. Please welcome to the stage, your Attorney General,
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: Tish James.
• 20:31
  Speaker 11: Thank you for joining us. For some reason, they keep
• 20:33
  Speaker 11: inviting me back.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: I don't understand.
• 20:34
  Speaker 7: I have a good reason why. So something happened last week.
• 20:38
  Speaker 7: I'm sure you paid attention to it. Former President Trump
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: charged with federal criminal indictment.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: His dance card looks like it's getting kind of full.
• 20:49
  Speaker 7: You are scheduled to go to trial in your own
• 20:52
  Speaker 7: civil case against the President in October.
• 20:54
  Speaker 11: October 2nd.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: But who's counting the days?
• 21:02
  Speaker 7: The special counsel has asked for a speedy trial for this.
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: Is this going to intersect with your case at all?
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: How is everybody going to manage the calendar here?
• 21:11
  Speaker 11: So in all likelihood, I believe that my case as
• 21:14
  Speaker 11: well as DA Bragg and the Georgia case will unfortunately
• 21:20
  Speaker 11: have to be adjourned pending the outcome of the federal case.
• 21:24
  Speaker 11: So it all depends upon the scheduling of this particular case.
• 21:29
  Speaker 11: I know there's going to be a flood, a flurry
• 21:31
  Speaker 11: of motions, motions to dismiss, discovery issues, all of that.
• 21:34
  Speaker 11: So it really all depends. Obviously, all of us want
• 21:37
  Speaker 11: to know what this judge, Judge Cannon, is going to
• 21:39
  Speaker 11: do and whether or not she's going to delay this
• 21:42
  Speaker 11: particular case. Are you concerned about that? I think everyone
• 21:45
  Speaker 11: is concerned about that. So obviously, it will depend upon
• 21:48
  Speaker 11: the scheduling.
• 21:49
  Speaker 7: You're one of the few people that has been able
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: to question Donald Trump under oath. You did so, I believe,
• 21:54
  Speaker 7: for seven hours, which is hats off.
• 21:58
  Speaker 12: Yes.
• 21:59
  Speaker 7: And he answered all those questions without pleading the fifth,
• 22:04
  Speaker 7: which is something he traditionally does.
• 22:06
  Speaker 11: That was the second time, the first time he took break.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: And I know you can't talk about what happened, but
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: I wonder if you could tell us about any insight
• 22:14
  Speaker 7: you gained about the former president and how he is
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: dealing with the legal peril he finds himself in.
• 22:20
  Speaker 11: So Alex, you know I really can't talk about the deposition.
• 22:23
  Speaker 11: But he did attend and he did answer the questions.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, that's that. He has been.
• 22:29
  Speaker 11: But he did not look at me.
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: Well, okay, that's a good segue to my second question,
• 22:35
  Speaker 7: which is he has been, he's really singled out black prosecutors. You,
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: Alvin Bragg, the Fulton County DA, Fonny Willis, and he's
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: called all of you racists. Do you have an opinion
• 22:46
  Speaker 7: on why the former president is calling particularly and specifically
• 22:50
  Speaker 7: black prosecutors racist?
• 22:51
  Speaker 11: I have no idea.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: But.
• 22:54
  Speaker 11: He's also attacking Jack Smith as well.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: As deranged, but not racist.
• 22:58
  Speaker 11: As deranged, but I guess... With a fake name.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 23:02
  Speaker 11: So listen, he can call me all kinds of names.
• 23:04
  Speaker 11: That really doesn't matter to me. The reality is that
• 23:07
  Speaker 11: our case is based on the facts and the law,
• 23:09
  Speaker 11: and I look forward to seeing him on October 2nd.
• 23:18
  Speaker 9: Some of Trump's supporters are calling for violence implicitly. Explicitly
• 23:23
  Speaker 9: and some of you can call for an uprising to
• 23:24
  Speaker 9: defend him ahead of his court appearance in Miami Be
• 23:27
  Speaker 9: appearing in court here in October is New York taking
• 23:30
  Speaker 9: precautions to deal with the threat of violence is your
• 23:33
  Speaker 9: office receiving threats What precautions are you taking?
• 23:36
  Speaker 11: So let me just say that I'm really concerned obviously
• 23:38
  Speaker 11: because they are feeding into all of this anger that
• 23:42
  Speaker 11: unfortunately currently exists In our society and we find ourselves
• 23:47
  Speaker 11: More polarized than ever I think since the Civil War
• 23:50
  Speaker 11: and it's rather unfortunate And I'm very much concerned that individuals,
• 23:55
  Speaker 11: lone wolves, will obviously resort to violence. And so here
• 23:58
  Speaker 11: in the city of New York and in the state
• 24:00
  Speaker 11: of New York, we're taking precautions. I have more law
• 24:04
  Speaker 11: enforcement around me these days. Individuals have threatened my life.
• 24:08
  Speaker 11: But I will not be paralyzed by fear, by no means.
• 24:12
  Speaker 11: I'm from Brooklyn.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: But....
• 24:19
  Speaker 11: But we obviously should be concerned because of what he represents.
• 24:22
  Speaker 11: And he represents a threat to our national security and
• 24:26
  Speaker 11: to the safety of us as a whole. But more importantly,
• 24:30
  Speaker 11: to all of those men and women who bravely are
• 24:32
  Speaker 11: serving this country and representing this country, I'm more concerned
• 24:35
  Speaker 11: about them here and on foreign soil. And so I
• 24:38
  Speaker 11: would wish everyone would just tone it down and just
• 24:42
  Speaker 11: recognize what is at stake. And what is at stake,
• 24:45
  Speaker 11: my friends, is our democracy. And that's why it's so
• 24:47
  Speaker 11: critically important that all of us stay together and that
• 24:50
  Speaker 11: we recognize the risk that he poses to our democracy
• 25:00
  Speaker 11: and that obviously individuals stay focused on a lot of
• 25:03
  Speaker 11: the issues. And if all you have to do is
• 25:06
  Speaker 11: read the indictment, it speaks for itself. And my complaint
• 25:11
  Speaker 11: as well speaks for itself. And nothing else needs to
• 25:14
  Speaker 11: be said.
• 25:20
  Speaker 7: Can I just ask, because I think the fact that
• 25:24
  Speaker 7: you prosecutors are human beings with lives and families often
• 25:27
  Speaker 7: gets lost in the shuffle. And the president is out
• 25:29
  Speaker 7: there talking at length about Jack Smith, as you point out,
• 25:32
  Speaker 7: being deranged, talking about his wife, talking about people's family
• 25:36
  Speaker 7: and their children. What does it mean for your life?
• 25:40
  Speaker 7: Since you've launched a $ 250 million civil lawsuit that basically
• 25:44
  Speaker 7: aims to end the Trump Organization's ability to do business
• 25:47
  Speaker 7: in New York, which in many ways, I think people say,
• 25:49
  Speaker 7: will end the Trump Organization writ large.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, how has that affected you as a person?
• 25:55
  Speaker 11: So, yes, we are seeking $ 250 million in damages and
• 26:00
  Speaker 11: in fines. Yes, we are seeking to ban the Trump Organization, Mr.
• 26:04
  Speaker 11: Trump and his children. and individuals who served on the board. Yes,
• 26:09
  Speaker 11: we have a monitor in place because we were concerned
• 26:11
  Speaker 11: that he was going to restructure the corporation. We have
• 26:14
  Speaker 11: a monitor in place right now to ensure that they
• 26:16
  Speaker 11: are in compliance. Am I concerned about my personal safety?
• 26:19
  Speaker 11: I don't think about it. The reality is I've got
• 26:21
  Speaker 11: a job to do each and every day. And again,
• 26:25
  Speaker 11: I cannot be paralyzed by fear. I've got to wake
• 26:28
  Speaker 11: up each and every day with this fire in my
• 26:30
  Speaker 11: belly to represent the interests of the citizens of the
• 26:33
  Speaker 11: state of New York, to serve this state and to
• 26:36
  Speaker 11: continue to do my job. I don't really think about Mr.
• 26:39
  Speaker 11: Trump each and every day. I think about the work
• 26:41
  Speaker 11: that I've got to do.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: He thinks about you, though.
• 26:43
  Speaker 11: I know that. But yeah, I've got a job to do.
• 26:49
  Speaker 11: I have a job to do. So I'm not, yeah,
• 26:54
  Speaker 11: I'm just not gonna.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Worry about that.
• 26:59
  Speaker 9: You have made addressing gun violence in the state of
• 27:02
  Speaker 9: New York, a huge priority of yours. The Supreme Court
• 27:04
  Speaker 9: of the United States has made it much harder for
• 27:07
  Speaker 9: states to aggressively try to keep guns out of the
• 27:10
  Speaker 9: hands of certain individuals. Recently, you filed suit against the
• 27:16
  Speaker 9: company that manufactured an accessory used on the gun used
• 27:18
  Speaker 9: in the Buffalo, New York mass shooting. Talk to me
• 27:21
  Speaker 9: a little bit about what you're trying to accomplish with
• 27:23
  Speaker 9: that suit and how that fits into your broader strategy
• 27:25
  Speaker 9: to address gun violence.
• 27:26
  Speaker 11: The name of the company is called Mean Arms. And
• 27:28
  Speaker 11: basically what it did, it is aided that individual who
• 27:31
  Speaker 11: was radicalized on social media. And basically they created a
• 27:35
  Speaker 11: lock for guns. And they said it was permanent, when
• 27:39
  Speaker 11: in fact it was not. And so they advertised how
• 27:41
  Speaker 11: you basically can remove the lock. We thought it was permanent,
• 27:44
  Speaker 11: and in fact it is not.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: And you need the lock to have your gun be
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: legal in the state of New.
• 27:49
  Speaker 11: York, is that correct? And individuals, the company basically provided
• 27:54
  Speaker 11: instructions to individuals to remove the lock. And this individual,
• 27:58
  Speaker 11: as you know, fired and killed 10 innocent people at
• 28:01
  Speaker 11: the top supermarket in Buffalo. And he was only allowed
• 28:04
  Speaker 11: to do that because he had this device. And that's
• 28:07
  Speaker 11: why we were taking action. With respect to gun violence,
• 28:10
  Speaker 11: you know, I've been involved in addressing gun violence from
• 28:13
  Speaker 11: my days as a city council member to my days
• 28:15
  Speaker 11: as a public advocate and now as the attorney general.
• 28:18
  Speaker 11: And I'm happy to say that not only.
• 28:21
  Speaker 11: You know, do we just talk about gun violence, but
• 28:24
  Speaker 11: we actually use the power of my office to engage
• 28:27
  Speaker 11: in litigation. So we have sued individuals who basically produce
• 28:31
  Speaker 11: what they call ghost guns, which are guns that you
• 28:34
  Speaker 11: can make basically from the internet. Ten companies that sell
• 28:38
  Speaker 11: ghost guns here in the state of New York, we
• 28:40
  Speaker 11: were able to stop them from selling those guns to
• 28:44
  Speaker 11: individuals who had no right to have them. Two, we've
• 28:46
  Speaker 11: done a number of takedowns.
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: We've removed guns.
• 28:49
  Speaker 11: We've removed drugs, fentanyl. We've removed dangerous drugs that unfortunately
• 28:56
  Speaker 11: are illegal in the state of New York. And we
• 28:58
  Speaker 11: do buybacks. And so several weeks ago, around three weeks ago,
• 29:01
  Speaker 11: we did a statewide buyback. And on one given day,
• 29:05
  Speaker 11: we were able to remove 3,000 guns off of the
• 29:08
  Speaker 11: streets of the state of New York. And that includes
• 29:12
  Speaker 11: the AR-15s as well as some ghost guns. Since I
• 29:15
  Speaker 11: have served as Attorney General, in total, we have removed 7,000 guns.
• 29:20
  Speaker 11: We've taken seizure money from those individuals. We've taken seizure
• 29:28
  Speaker 11: money from individuals who are engaging in illegal activity, and
• 29:31
  Speaker 11: those funds and resources are used, again, for these buybacks.
• 29:35
  Speaker 11: And so we'll give individuals $ 500 for an AR-15 with
• 29:37
  Speaker 11: no question asked, and we continue to do that all
• 29:42
  Speaker 11: across the state. So it's litigation, it's advocacy, and of course,
• 29:47
  Speaker 11: it's through enforcement measures as well.
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: On the topic of violence, your office recently filed a
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: lawsuit against anti-abortion activists in New York, and it seeks to.
• 30:04
  Speaker 7: It seeks to create a 30-foot buffer outside of all
• 30:07
  Speaker 7: abortion providers in New York State. Given the fact that
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: blue states are increasingly the only places in America where
• 30:13
  Speaker 7: women are ensured access to their own bodily autonomy and
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: reproductive freedom, are you concerned about increasing violence targeting abortion
• 30:22
  Speaker 7: providers given the sharp divide between red and blue states
• 30:26
  Speaker 7: in this country?
• 30:26
  Speaker 11: So this particular group, organization, Unfortunately, he's not only active
• 30:34
  Speaker 11: here in the state of New York, but active in
• 30:36
  Speaker 11: states where reproductive rights obviously are respected. And here in
• 30:39
  Speaker 11: the state of New York, reproductive rights are protected. And
• 30:43
  Speaker 11: this organization would pretend that they were patients, go into
• 30:46
  Speaker 11: clinics and basically disrupt the clinics. They would basically glue
• 30:51
  Speaker 11: themselves and lock themselves into clinics and deny individuals their
• 30:57
  Speaker 11: access to reproductive rights. They particularly focused on Planned Parenthood.
• 31:01
  Speaker 11: And it's important that everyone knows that Planned Parenthood does
• 31:04
  Speaker 11: more than just abortions. Individuals go to Planned Parenthood for
• 31:07
  Speaker 11: cancer screening, for STDs. And so this organization said that
• 31:11
  Speaker 11: they were committed to stopping abortions in the state of
• 31:14
  Speaker 11: New York. And I said, not on my watch. So
• 31:17
  Speaker 11: we've gone to court. We've gone to court and we
• 31:25
  Speaker 11: are filing criminal charges against them. And they will, fortunately,
• 31:32
  Speaker 11: be held accountable and serve criminal sentences. Right now, they're
• 31:35
  Speaker 11: completing their sentence in Michigan, and then they have to
• 31:38
  Speaker 11: come to New York to answer to our charges, to
• 31:40
  Speaker 11: our case here, our charges here. And I'm confident that
• 31:43
  Speaker 11: we will convict them and that they, in fact, will
• 31:46
  Speaker 11: go to jail.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for being here. Thanks so much
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: for everything you do. Everyone, please give it up for
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: your Attorney General.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: When we come back, more news.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: All right. Let's talk about some more news. Specifically, the
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: politics of the fact that Donald Trump is still the
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: frontrunner for the Republican nomination by a large margin. A
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: CBS poll that was taken over the weekend shows Trump
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: leading Ron DeSantis 61 to 23 percent, with every other
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: candidate under 5 percent. Sorry to the Tim Scott and
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Mickey Haley fans here. The announcements did not give them
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: the bump they had hoped.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: Watch that space. A lot of virgin ground for Tim
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Scott to explore. I don't care.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Same poll also says that 80% of Republican primary voters
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: think that if Trump is convicted of a crime, he
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: should still be able to serve as president. Most Republican politicians,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: including his primary opponents, refused to condemn Trump for stealing
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: nuclear secrets. Many of them did so before they even
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: knew it was in the indictment. There were some like,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: you know, DeSantis and Pence who were trying to have
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: it both ways. They were trying to attack Biden and
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Garland for the double standard of justice while still insinuating
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: maybe that Trump's case might be legitimate. Then there are
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: exceptions who've criticized Trump. Asa Hutchinson, Chris Christie, and rhino
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: libcuck Bill Barr, Trump's attorney general, who said this on
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Fox over the weekend.
• 33:55
  Speaker 12: I think the counts under the Espionage Act, that he
• 33:58
  Speaker 12: willfully retained those documents, are solid counts. If even half
• 34:03
  Speaker 12: of it is true, then he's toast. I mean, it's
• 34:06
  Speaker 12: a very detailed indictment, and it's very, very damning. And
• 34:11
  Speaker 12: this idea of presenting Trump as a victim here, a
• 34:14
  Speaker 12: victim of a witch hunt, is ridiculous. The government's documents,
• 34:19
  Speaker 12: they're official records. They're not his personal records. Battle plans
• 34:23
  Speaker 12: for an attack on another country or Defense Department documents
• 34:28
  Speaker 12: about our capabilities are in no universe Donald J. Trump's
• 34:32
  Speaker 12: personal documents. This idea that the president has complete authority
• 34:38
  Speaker 12: to declare any document personal is obvious. It's facially ridiculous.
• 34:43
  Speaker 12: These are official documents. It's inarguable. The president's daily brief
• 34:48
  Speaker 12: provided by the intelligence community is not Donald J. Trump's
• 34:52
  Speaker 12: personal document. Bury it.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Bill Barr, ladies and gentlemen. The only time Bill Barr
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: is ever going to get an applause Such conflicted applause
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: out there. Can we get him as the judge? I
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: want to get him as the judge. So, Alex, we've
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: talked a lot about this, but I'd love to get
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: your thoughts. Why are these candidates... going through all the
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: trouble of running for president against Donald Trump if they
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: won't even try to make a case to Republican voters
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: that Bill Barr just made, former Trump official.
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: As terrifying as it is to enter the mind chamber
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: of Vivek Ramaswamy.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: I will do it for you.
• 35:34
  Speaker 7: I don't know why Vivek Ramaswamy is running. I don't
• 35:37
  Speaker 7: know why Chris Christie is running. I have a sense that, okay,
• 35:40
  Speaker 7: first of all, to run for president requires a healthy
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: amount of self-regard.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Some would say narcissism.
• 35:48
  Speaker 7: And I think each one of them have these particular
• 35:52
  Speaker 7: personal motivations. I think Chris Christie feels a lot of
• 35:55
  Speaker 7: shame for his just catastrophic loss as a candidate in
• 36:00
  Speaker 7: 2016 and the way in which he was completely rolled
• 36:02
  Speaker 7: by Donald Trump over and over again, almost, as you
• 36:05
  Speaker 7: guys want to point out, killed by Donald Trump, contracting
• 36:08
  Speaker 7: COVID during Trump debate prep, which is what a way
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: to go that would have been.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: That would be tough.
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: And I think this is his sort of personal rehabilitation tour,
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: and I think he also thinks he has a role
• 36:18
  Speaker 7: to play in fixing the Republican Party and getting rid
• 36:21
  Speaker 7: of Trump. I don't know if that's going to happen,
• 36:22
  Speaker 7: but he's not going to mince his words if he
• 36:24
  Speaker 7: ever makes it to a debate stage with Trump, right?
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: So I think he has, at.
• 36:27
  Speaker 7: Least more than anyone else, a specific purpose that is
• 36:30
  Speaker 7: beyond himself.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: As far as Mike Pence, here's a hint.
• 36:34
  Speaker 7: If they erect gallows in your name, they're probably not
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: going to vote for you. Just, I mean, I'm not
• 36:40
  Speaker 7: a political strategist, but that seems like the one, two, three...
• 36:43
  Speaker 7: of launching a presidential campaign. I think he has a
• 36:47
  Speaker 7: sort of, you know, he's a deeply religious man. I
• 36:50
  Speaker 7: think he believes he is some kind, there's a little
• 36:53
  Speaker 7: bit of a messiah complex, I would say. Like he
• 36:56
  Speaker 7: is a very much OG white Christian nationalist. And I think,
• 37:00
  Speaker 7: you know, this is his time. So that could be
• 37:04
  Speaker 7: the reason, although I constantly don't, his is the most
• 37:07
  Speaker 7: perplexing campaign of all of them. And Ron DeSantis was,
• 37:11
  Speaker 7: You know, Ron DeSantis was called The Resume. That was
• 37:15
  Speaker 7: his nickname from his friends when he was in, I think,
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: law school. This is someone who has checked all the boxes. And,
• 37:23
  Speaker 7: you know, you see this, the presidency as the next
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: stage of like, what do you do after you've been
• 37:27
  Speaker 7: the governor of Florida?
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: You go be president.
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: And I don't think it's anything more, I don't think
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: he's particularly animated by policy, or even ideology.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: I think his candidacy and his.
• 37:43
  Speaker 7: Spirit seems to be driven more by the desire to
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: achieve and amass power. And I think that's reflected in
• 37:50
  Speaker 7: his skills on the campaign trail, which are not.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't call him Mr. Personality.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing, though. We've all been on campaigns. We
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: know that we... Ron DeSantis didn't have to come out
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: and be like, you know, Donald Trump needs to go
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: to jail. This is a searing indictment and... He could
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: have done like a sort of an indirect hit on
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump, right? He could have done that. Like just nothing.
• 38:15
  Speaker 7: Well, but like look at the numbers. He's strengthened among
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: the Republican base that they have to win over in
• 38:21
  Speaker 7: a primary.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 38:22
  Speaker 7: And like you can't even open the door to criticism.
• 38:27
  Speaker 7: It's an impossible tightrope to walk.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: But that's, I think resume is the right term because
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: what he's doing is what makes sense on paper. He's
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: seen the numbers. The numbers make clear. Donald Trump is
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: very popular. the base of the party, the people he'll
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: need in some measure, believe this is a political prosecution.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: But every single person that is coming to Donald Trump's
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: aid while trying to beat Donald Trump in a primary
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: lack both the confidence in themselves as candidates and lack
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: the imagination to believe it is possible for them to
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: persuade the group of people they need to come to
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: their side while criticizing Donald Trump. They lack the imagination
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: and strategy to move the party away from him.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Which is why the party will never move. There's this
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: chicken or egg problem where these candidates look at the
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: voters and they see that poll and they say, oh,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: they're for Trump, so I can't say anything and I
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: can't piss them off. But these voters, the only information
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: that they're consuming is telling them that Donald Trump is
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: great and they're not hearing the other side of the story.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: So no one's even trying to make the case to
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: these voters, because they're not listening to Positive America, Probably
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: not watching MSNBC.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: Not yet.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: And so like, I'm a Madman. There's probably a bunch
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: of Fox viewers that watched Bill Barr and were like, what?
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: What is he talking about?
• 39:43
  Speaker 8: It's the same thing that happened in 2016. It's a
• 39:44
  Speaker 8: collective action problem. We wanted them to go first. No
• 39:46
  Speaker 8: one wants to jump first. It's just going to be
• 39:48
  Speaker 8: exhausting to watch.
• 39:49
  Speaker 9: I think it's a different, it's slightly different in 2016.
• 39:51
  Speaker 9: There is a collective action problem, but you do have
• 39:55
  Speaker 9: to establish who you are and be known to the
• 40:00
  Speaker 9: voters before you take on Trump. In 2016, all of
• 40:04
  Speaker 9: those candidates.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: Were well known to the voters. Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush,
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: Marco Rubio, even Chris Christie.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: And the voters said, no, thank you.
• 40:11
  Speaker 9: That was the problem. These candidates fully misunderstand their place
• 40:15
  Speaker 9: in the race. They do not understand that they are
• 40:17
  Speaker 9: long shots, even Ron DeSantis, and you need to adopt
• 40:20
  Speaker 9: a high variance strategy to win when you're a long shot.
• 40:22
  Speaker 9: So they're just deciding to lose quietly instead of lose loudly.
• 40:26
  Speaker 9: But I do understand why you don't go after Donald
• 40:29
  Speaker 9: Trump right this second until you have at least introduced
• 40:33
  Speaker 9: yourself to like 12 people, right?
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: Which they have not yet done.
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Alex mentioned Vivek Ramaswamy. He said that he would pardon
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Trump if he wins the presidency. Does anyone want to
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: make the case that you could win the Republican nomination
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: without promising that you'll pardon Trump if you're president? Yeah,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: I got this.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: You want to hear it? No, go.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: This shit is easy.
• 40:55
  Speaker 8: No, I will not pardon President Trump because President Trump
• 41:00
  Speaker 8: is innocent. And this is another example of you in
• 41:03
  Speaker 8: the liberal media trying to get me to concede that
• 41:07
  Speaker 8: President Trump is guilty and thus would need a pardon.
• 41:10
  Speaker 8: We live in the greatest country on earth, John. And
• 41:12
  Speaker 8: there's no jury that's going to look at what my
• 41:15
  Speaker 8: president did and decide that he is guilty of a crime.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: What are you applauding?
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: I'm a demagogue now. Thank you, Ron DeSantis. You're welcome.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: That's better than anything Ron DeSantis has done on this show.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, by a mile. By a mile.
• 41:32
  Speaker 9: I would make the, I agree with everything Tommy said.
• 41:36
  Speaker 9: And I'm alarmed at how he did that. It's like
• 41:39
  Speaker 9: everyone's got a demagogue inside them.
• 41:42
  Speaker 8: Okay, just between us, I currently have a Mike Pence
• 41:45
  Speaker 8: tramp stamp on my lower back because I lost a bet.
• 41:49
  Speaker 8: You'll learn about it later next week.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Dan, you're up.
• 41:53
  Speaker 9: I would make the case that you can't win the
• 41:55
  Speaker 9: nomination if you promise to pardon Trump.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: If you promise to?
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 41:59
  Speaker 9: Because what I think all of these candidates don't understand
• 42:02
  Speaker 9: is that strength is the axis on which Republican power
• 42:05
  Speaker 9: is accumulated.
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: And so if you.
• 42:07
  Speaker 9: Trump wins because he seems like the dominating figure. So
• 42:10
  Speaker 9: if you just decide to become his personal servant, like
• 42:15
  Speaker 9: who's going to pardon him and give him a Diet Coke,
• 42:17
  Speaker 9: you can't look strong. And so I think you have
• 42:19
  Speaker 9: to do... I think Chris Christie, who I know is
• 42:21
  Speaker 9: every resistance... liberal's favorite Republican candidate, he actually answered it right,
• 42:25
  Speaker 9: which is, I'm going to wait until the case is
• 42:28
  Speaker 9: done and I'm going to look at it. But promising
• 42:30
  Speaker 9: now makes you look weak and you cannot beat Trump
• 42:33
  Speaker 9: if you look weak.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: I think that, yeah, I think you can, I think
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: you can get away with saying like, let's see how
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: the case plays out. And also. I'm not going to
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: have to worry about it because I'm going to win.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: How about someone saying I'm going to win?
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: No one will believe that. That's what I'm saying.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: None of these people will be like, I'm going to win,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: so it's not going to be a big deal. None
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: of them will say that.
• 42:49
  Speaker 7: Also, just keep in mind, nothing definitive is being said
• 42:51
  Speaker 7: by any of these Republican candidates on literally anything because
• 42:54
  Speaker 7: the Republican Party is bereft of an actual platform at
• 42:57
  Speaker 7: this point.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: What does it stand for? And I say this.
• 43:02
  Speaker 7: Like, I can't tell you what the party platform, even
• 43:05
  Speaker 7: on a federal abortion ban, they know it's political, like,
• 43:08
  Speaker 7: suicide for them, so they're going to try and avoid
• 43:10
  Speaker 7: the question a la your candidate, Tim Scott, and do
• 43:14
  Speaker 7: everything in their power not to say anything.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, am I wrong about it?
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: Are you wrong about Tim Scott?
• 43:21
  Speaker 7: No.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: No.
• 43:23
  Speaker 7: You're bullish on Tim Scott's chances.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: You love him.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: One podcast, one time, I'm like, What you say. Let's
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: just keep an eye on this.
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: Watch.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: All I said was watch this fucking space.
• 43:37
  Speaker 7: Words matter. Words matter, John. Words matter. America heard you. Anyway,
• 43:41
  Speaker 7: the point is, the point is, I don't think they're
• 43:45
  Speaker 7: going to say anything about anything. I don't think they're
• 43:47
  Speaker 7: going to say anything about foreign policy. I don't think
• 43:49
  Speaker 7: they're going to say anything about, I mean, look at
• 43:50
  Speaker 7: the debt ceiling talks. Like those are the people who
• 43:52
  Speaker 7: are in Congress who are Republicans.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: They don't know anything about policy.
• 43:55
  Speaker 7: They, all they want to do is ban like trans
• 43:59
  Speaker 7: people from existing and, and, and make sure that, you know,
• 44:03
  Speaker 7: slavery isn't taught in Florida schools, right?
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Like, it is hard to say, oh, I.
• 44:09
  Speaker 7: Am very highly skeptical of anybody articulating a position on anything,
• 44:13
  Speaker 7: including and especially the pardoning of Donald Trump.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Well, Trump has had a lot to say about Donald
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Trump's indictment. He was, you know, over the weekend, he
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: did what any good lawyer would advise. Their criminal defendant
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: facing multiple indictments. He held a bunch of public events.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: where we spoke extensively about the charges against him. Here
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: he is at a rally in Georgia over the weekend.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: Every time I.
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: Fly over a blue state, I get a subpoena.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: We want him before the grand jury.
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: In this whole fake indictment, they don't even once mention
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: the Presidential Records Act, which is really the ruling act.
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: which this case falls under 100% because they want to
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: use something called the Espionage Act. Doesn't that sound terrible?
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: Oh, espionage.
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: I mean, actually, I thought it was, I was impressed.
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: I looked, it looked so orderly and nice. Somehow somebody
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: turned over one of the boxes. Did you see that?
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: I said, I wonder who did that.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: Did the FBI do that? Jack Smith.
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: What do you think his name used to be?
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: I don't know. Does anybody ever? Jack Smith.
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: Sounds so innocent.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: He's deranged.
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: And his wife is even more of a Trump hater.
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: I wish her a lot of luck, but he's a
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: bad Trump hater and she's a Trump hater. These criminals
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: cannot be rewarded. They must be defeated. You have to
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: defeat them.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: You have to defeat them. Because in the end, they're
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: not coming after me.
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: They're coming after you, and I'm just standing in their way.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: Here I am. I'm standing in their way, and I
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: always will be.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: There you have it. So I mentioned the number in
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: that poll, love it, that was 80% of Republican voters
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: think he should be able to serve as president if convicted.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: In the same poll, 92% of Republican voters said that
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: they would rather Trump talk about his plans for the
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: country than gripes about his indictments or the 2020 election.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: What do you make of that? And do you think
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: there's any risk in Donald Trump making this campaign about
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: whether or not he goes to jail?
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: So I pulled the same numbers from the same poll.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: So first of all, there's been a bunch of polling,
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: and it's not just that Trump's leading in the Republican field,
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: it's how strong that is among so many different kinds
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: of Republicans, and Republicans who say they care about different things.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: Republicans who say they care about honesty, Trump's their person.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: Republicans who care about it, he's their person. And so
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: when I see that number, it feels less like a
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: weakness and more like a bunch of people hoping a
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: beloved grandpa will tell a different story at Thanksgiving, You know, like, oh,
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: that's our Trump. We love him and there's no getting
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: us to one of these other fucking wackadoos. But I
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: do wish he would talk about something else for a while.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: I'm a little bored, but I'm not switching. That's how
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: it feels looking at the polling.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Republicans who care about document retention policy. Trump is their guy.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: He retained the shit out of those documents.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Tommy, we've heard Trump frame this indictment as an apocalyptic battle.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: He has also told his supporters to show up in
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Miami and fight. He has promised to, if he wins,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: appoint a special prosecutor to go after Joe Biden, his family,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: basically any of Trump's political enemies. Carrie Lake's telling people
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: if they want to convict Trump, they have to come
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: through her and all the other NRA members. Republicans in
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Congress are promising retribution. There's MAGA media goons making violent threats.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Should we be making a big deal about the threat
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: of violence, the possibility for another January 6th-like incident, or
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: is this just giving these people more attention?
• 47:43
  Speaker 8: I mean, I think it's I think we should be
• 47:44
  Speaker 8: pretty concerned. The last time when the FBI searched Mar-a-Lago
• 47:49
  Speaker 8: a couple days later, this was last year, I believe,
• 47:52
  Speaker 8: some guy in Ohio went to an FBI field office
• 47:54
  Speaker 8: in Cincinnati with an assault weapon and a nail gun
• 47:57
  Speaker 8: and tried to shoot through the glass. And when he couldn't,
• 48:00
  Speaker 8: he tried to run away and there was a firefight
• 48:02
  Speaker 8: and this guy was killed. But this was a violent act.
• 48:04
  Speaker 8: And this individual both had posted on social media about
• 48:08
  Speaker 8: killing FBI agents and attended the January 6th insurrection. So
• 48:12
  Speaker 8: clearly these words matter. I think that Trump seems to
• 48:16
  Speaker 8: be escalating the rhetoric, not dialing it down. I think
• 48:19
  Speaker 8: that line at the end there that we just saw,
• 48:20
  Speaker 8: which is, you know, I'm the only thing holding them
• 48:24
  Speaker 8: back from going after you, is really kind of the
• 48:26
  Speaker 8: scariest piece of this. His surrogates in Congress on right
• 48:30
  Speaker 8: wing radio are saying, far more intense things. So yeah,
• 48:35
  Speaker 8: I think it's very frightening and something people should be
• 48:37
  Speaker 8: talking about. I'm glad, actually, there's a big New York
• 48:39
  Speaker 8: Times report over the weekend about some of this rhetoric.
• 48:41
  Speaker 8: People are paying attention this time.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Dan, that brings us to Joe Biden and the
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Democrats and what they should do about this, what they
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: should say. I saw a report that the DNC had
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: advised some Democratic members over the weekend to not really
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: talk about this much. That, as you imagine, got some
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: people on Twitter a little upset. But it does raise
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: the question, if Trump wins the nomination, how does Joe
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Biden handle the fact that he is running against a
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: twice-indicted criminal defendant? Does he talk about it? How central
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: does he make it to the message? What would you...
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: advise Biden and the Democrats to do in 2024 about this?
• 49:23
  Speaker 9: Think about how weird this is going to be, is
• 49:25
  Speaker 9: that if Donald Trump is the nominee and he is
• 49:27
  Speaker 9: in the middle of or preparing for a criminal trial
• 49:31
  Speaker 9: on 37 felony counts related to violations of the Espionage Act,
• 49:36
  Speaker 9: his chief opponent, the sitting president, cannot and should not
• 49:40
  Speaker 9: say anything about it because the entity bringing that case
• 49:44
  Speaker 9: is the president's own Justice Department. So for reasons of
• 49:46
  Speaker 9: law and politics, he has to sort of no comment it.
• 49:50
  Speaker 9: So he can't mention it. It's going to be the
• 49:51
  Speaker 9: biggest news story in the world. He can't mention it
• 49:53
  Speaker 9: at a rally. His campaign can't put in an ad.
• 49:56
  Speaker 9: If a junior press person on the Biden campaign in
• 49:59
  Speaker 9: Alaska tweets about it, the norms police are going to
• 50:02
  Speaker 9: freak out, right? And everyone's going to complain, like both sides, everything.
• 50:06
  Speaker 9: So it's going to be this very weird thing that
• 50:07
  Speaker 9: you can never be mentioned. But because it's the biggest
• 50:11
  Speaker 9: news story in the land, you don't have to talk
• 50:13
  Speaker 9: about it. What you have to do is to have
• 50:15
  Speaker 9: an overall message narrative that accounts for it without saying it.
• 50:19
  Speaker 9: And I think what this comes down to is going
• 50:22
  Speaker 9: to be that in the end, Donald Trump, because he's
• 50:26
  Speaker 9: already implied he's going to pardon himself. He's already said
• 50:28
  Speaker 9: he's going to pardon the people who helped him try
• 50:30
  Speaker 9: to overthrow the government in 2000 on January 6th. And
• 50:34
  Speaker 9: that he is running for president not to help you,
• 50:37
  Speaker 9: not to make your your life easier, to make it
• 50:40
  Speaker 9: easier to go to college, pay for gas and groceries.
• 50:42
  Speaker 9: He's running to help himself and his political allies. And
• 50:46
  Speaker 9: that is what he's doing. It is all about Trump.
• 50:48
  Speaker 9: And I think that has to be the core of
• 50:50
  Speaker 9: the Biden message. It's actually why Joe Biden is uniquely
• 50:55
  Speaker 9: qualified to be the person who runs against Donald Trump,
• 50:57
  Speaker 9: because they are the exact polar opposites of each other
• 51:01
  Speaker 9: in how they think about the world.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: So you're a no on the lock-em-up chants at the rallies.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: Well, look, I'm a no on Joe Biden leading the
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: lock-em-up chants.
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: Chance.
• 51:10
  Speaker 9: But if the people there want to do it... Wait,
• 51:12
  Speaker 9: do you have something you want to say about it?
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: No. We don't want to do it.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right. As you were saying that,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: I was just thinking Trump will probably try to... If
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: there are debates between Biden and Trump, if it happens,
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Trump will probably try to bait Biden into talking about this.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: He'll say, you're trying to lock me up. you're trying to,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: and he's, he's going to try to pull him into this.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: And then give him a bowl.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: I'm going to say, Bob, you're trying to lock yourself up.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Good line. Good line. Okay. When we come back, Hillary Clinton.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: She's been first lady, secretary of state, author, senator from
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: the great state of New York, and most importantly, a
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: podcast host. Please welcome back to the show, Hillary Clinton.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: Welcome to the show.
• 52:30
  Speaker 6: Thank you, John. Glad to be here.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: I just want to say, I don't get nervous for
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: these people anymore. When I see you, I am 22
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: years old again.
• 52:38
  Speaker 6: I know, I know.
• 52:41
  Speaker 10: He worked for me when he was 22 years old.
• 52:45
  Speaker 10: And did a great job.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: Let's try to keep this honest. Honest, yeah. So, Secretary Clinton,
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: on Thursday, the Department of Justice indicted former President Donald Trump.
• 52:55
  Speaker 10: You're kidding! I know.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Oh. Oh.
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: Well, if you haven't, all right. But did you have
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: any reaction to the news? Or are you keeping your
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: powder dry in case you get jury duty in New York?
• 53:10
  Speaker 6: Well, you know, John, I have a lot of reactions
• 53:15
  Speaker 6: to it.
• 53:17
  Speaker 10: And I think the best reaction publicly is, you know,
• 53:21
  Speaker 10: let's see it unfold and see what happens, right?
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: Well, I think that's a perfect answer. So we have
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: a shirt for you and says it just in case
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: you want, it says totally impartial potential juror. And we thought,
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: you know, you don't have to wear it, but just
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: in case.
• 53:40
  Speaker 6: This is so great. I love this.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: It's like a totally chill thing to wear at a
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: jury selection.
• 53:45
  Speaker 6: But you know, you even put his nickname for me
• 53:47
  Speaker 6: down at the bottom.
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: Crooked. That's perfect. That's exactly right. Now, um, Onto the
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: matter at hand, can we go to this photo, please?
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: Is this how you would store top secret documents? Are
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: they perhaps a little too close to the commode?
• 54:08
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I thought that was in dangerous territory, right?
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. But so Republicans have taken to the airwaves
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: in response to these charges, and they've come to one conclusion.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: We must prosecute Hillary Clinton.
• 54:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, when in doubt, right?
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: Right. Republicans claim that you got off, you did the
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: same thing and got off scot-free. Why did your friend
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: Jim Comey let you off so easy?
• 54:47
  Speaker 6: That's a really good question. I can't figure that one out.
• 54:50
  Speaker 10: You know, I do think it's... odd, let's just say,
• 54:56
  Speaker 10: to the point of being absurd, how that is their
• 55:00
  Speaker 10: only response. You know, they refuse to read the indictment.
• 55:03
  Speaker 10: They refuse to engage with the facts. There's nothing new
• 55:05
  Speaker 10: about that. And what they refuse to admit is, you know,
• 55:10
  Speaker 10: this is on a track about him, not about anybody else,
• 55:15
  Speaker 10: no matter how much they try to confuse people and
• 55:18
  Speaker 10: how much they try to, you know, raise extraneous issues.
• 55:22
  Speaker 10: And it's going to be fascinating, I guess, in a
• 55:26
  Speaker 10: bizarre and sad way, to watch them spin themselves up.
• 55:30
  Speaker 10: If you watched any of the news programs this weekend,
• 55:33
  Speaker 10: I mean, their efforts to defend this man are truly
• 55:37
  Speaker 10: beyond anything that I ever thought possible in our country.
• 55:42
  Speaker 10: I mean, it is so profoundly disturbing how this could
• 55:48
  Speaker 10: have been the break. This could have been the opportunity
• 55:51
  Speaker 10: to say, you know, Thank you so much for everything
• 55:54
  Speaker 10: you've done for us. We really appreciate it, you know.
• 55:57
  Speaker 10: But this is kind of serious. And so we're not
• 56:01
  Speaker 10: going to, you know, continue to defend you. But no,
• 56:04
  Speaker 10: they're all in again. That's what the psychology of this
• 56:08
  Speaker 10: is so hard for me to fully grasp.
• 56:12
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, you know, to your point, it does
• 56:15
  Speaker 8: seem like Donald Trump is leading in every poll ever.
• 56:18
  Speaker 8: Every bad thing that happens to him seems to solidify
• 56:21
  Speaker 8: his hold on the base and members of Congress. And ironically,
• 56:25
  Speaker 8: him being so corrupt and being such a venal, awful
• 56:29
  Speaker 8: person makes it hard for Democrats to run against him
• 56:34
  Speaker 8: because there's so many different avenues we could all be taken.
• 56:38
  Speaker 8: You experienced this firsthand in 2016. If he is the
• 56:42
  Speaker 8: Republican nominee, do you have any advice for President Biden
• 56:45
  Speaker 8: about how to focus a message against him?
• 56:47
  Speaker 10: You know, I was listening to your previous discussion about this,
• 56:51
  Speaker 10: and I think you have it exactly right. It seems
• 56:56
  Speaker 10: likely right now that he will end up the nominee.
• 56:58
  Speaker 10: I mean, something can happen between now and when they
• 57:02
  Speaker 10: start actually voting in the primary. But the Republican rules,
• 57:06
  Speaker 10: as you know, favor winner take all. So the more
• 57:09
  Speaker 10: people who get in against him, his chances actually go up.
• 57:12
  Speaker 10: And then the response that we've seen in polling from Republicans,
• 57:18
  Speaker 10: suggests that they're going to stick with him, that it's
• 57:20
  Speaker 10: more of a cult than a political party at this point,
• 57:23
  Speaker 10: and they're going to stick.
• 57:24
  Speaker 6: With their leader.
• 57:26
  Speaker 10: So I think that actually President Biden is in a
• 57:30
  Speaker 10: very strong position to run a campaign that doesn't have
• 57:35
  Speaker 10: to talk about him. But I think other Democrats should,
• 57:39
  Speaker 10: and other concerned Americans should be asking hard questions. But
• 57:44
  Speaker 10: to talk about the kind of future that... builds on
• 57:48
  Speaker 10: his accomplishments. You know, I have said now for months
• 57:52
  Speaker 10: that Joe Biden had a remarkable first two years as president.
• 57:57
  Speaker 10: I don't think he gets the credit for it. And
• 58:00
  Speaker 10: in part, that's because he's not a performer.
• 58:02
  Speaker 6: He's a producer.
• 58:04
  Speaker 10: You know, he gets up every day and he goes
• 58:05
  Speaker 10: to work for the American people. And so, you know,
• 58:11
  Speaker 10: in a time where In politics, not just in our country,
• 58:16
  Speaker 10: but elsewhere in the world, entertainment is really important, and
• 58:21
  Speaker 10: the shock factor, and the insult factor, and the scapegoating,
• 58:27
  Speaker 10: and the finger pointing. You know, he's really not doing it,
• 58:31
  Speaker 10: and he is very careful about how he tries to
• 58:34
  Speaker 10: present himself. I think that contrast is important, his accomplishments
• 58:39
  Speaker 10: are important. and trying to get people to focus on, okay,
• 58:43
  Speaker 10: when the circus leaves town, what's your life going to
• 58:46
  Speaker 10: be like? How are you going to feel about your
• 58:51
  Speaker 10: future and your family's future and the big challenges that
• 58:55
  Speaker 10: we have here at home and around the world? And
• 58:57
  Speaker 10: I think that's the way to present a strong, incumbent
• 59:04
  Speaker 10: campaign against Trump.
• 59:07
  Speaker 8: Speak of corrupt authoritarian narcissists, I want to ask you
• 59:13
  Speaker 8: about Vladimir Putin. I heard you tell this unbelievable story
• 59:18
  Speaker 8: about a conversation you had with Vladimir Putin several years back,
• 59:22
  Speaker 8: where he told you about his parents, Putin's father, fought
• 59:26
  Speaker 8: in the siege of Stalingrad, for those who don't know,
• 59:29
  Speaker 8: is one of the most horrific battles of World War II.
• 59:31
  Speaker 8: Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people died. And
• 59:34
  Speaker 8: I was hoping you could just tell that story and
• 59:36
  Speaker 8: how you make sense of a man like Vladimir Putin,
• 59:41
  Speaker 8: who hears about this experience from his father of being
• 59:44
  Speaker 8: sort of thrust into a military meat grinder, and then
• 59:47
  Speaker 8: does the exact same thing to his own people in Bakhmut,
• 59:52
  Speaker 8: in Chechnya, you know, over the years as leaders.
• 59:55
  Speaker 6: You know, Tommy, it was a really extraordinary moment.
• 59:59
  Speaker 10: You know, he started attacking me back in 2011, and
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 10: he accused me of being responsible for Russians demanding more
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 10: freedom and, you know, free and fair elections because they'd
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 10: had a series of elections in the fall of 2011
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 10: that were, you know, so rigged that you could watch
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 10: it being rigged on TV. That's what Russians were responding to.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 10: So fast forward, there's a big meeting of a number
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 10: of nations called APEC. It's the Asian Pacific Economic Community Meeting,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 10: and it's held every year, and I went representing our country.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 10: And I wanted to talk to Putin one more time
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 10: about Syria, and he wouldn't talk to me. And so
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 10: then we're about ready to go into the formal dinner,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 10: and he I get pulled aside for like literally five
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 10: minutes where I'm telling him, you know, we had a
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 10: deal on a ceasefire a few months ago. We need
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 10: to reinstate that deal. And he's looking bored, like, you know,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 10: why are you talking to me about stopping the killing
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 10: of Syrians? And then we went into dinner. Now, the
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 10: last thing Vladimir Putin wanted was to sit next to
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 10: me at dinner. So the protocol was he had to
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 10: sit next to me. Because the United States had hosted
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 10: the meeting before, and on his other side was Indonesian
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 10: president hosting the next meeting. So I'm sitting there thinking, well,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 10: you know, I got to think of something to talk
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 10: to him about.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 6: He won't talk to me about Syria, that's clear. So
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 6: I said, you know, Mr. President, before I came, I
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 6: stopped in St.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 10: Petersburg for some meetings, and I went to the museum
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 10: commemorating the siege of Stalingrad.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 6: And, you know, I.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 10: I just wanted to, you know, tell you how much
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 10: it meant to me that I actually had a chance
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 10: to see that. All of a sudden he got, you know,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 10: sort of sat up straighter, got kind of interested. He said,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 10: let me tell you a story. And here's what he
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 10: told me. He said, you know, my father was in
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 10: the siege and they would be on the front lines
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 10: for three or four days and they would get, you know,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 10: some time off. So he he had time off, Putin's father.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 10: Putin's father was walking back to their apartment and he
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 10: walked past a pile of bodies because they were trying
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 10: to prevent plague and other diseases from decimating the population
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 10: even further. So they had body collectors and they were
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 10: collecting bodies to burn, to bury. So as Putin's father's
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 10: walking by this pile of bodies, he looks down and
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 10: he sees what he believes to be his wife's leg
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 10: with her shoe on, which he recognized. And he just reacts,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 10: he goes over, he starts trying to pull this body
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 10: out of the pile of bodies, and the body collector
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 10: is screaming at him, stop it, stop it, you know,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 10: get away from there. And he says, no, no, that's
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 10: my wife, that's my wife, I know it's my wife,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 10: and he keeps trying to pull her out. And finally
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 10: the body collector said, well, just take her, take her body,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 10: but then you have to return it, you have to
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 10: get rid of the body. So he took her, and
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 10: she was alive. And He took her back to their
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 10: apartment and nursed her back to health. And then a
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 10: few years later, Vladimir Putin was born. So he tells
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 10: me this story and I'm sitting there thinking, wow, this
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 10: explains so much. Think about this story and think about
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 10: the trauma that his family and so many Russian families
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 10: went through And in some people, that kind of trauma
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 10: makes them feel like never again, no war. We have
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 10: to be more compassionate and caring. We have to help people.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 10: And in some people, it makes them think, I'm going
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 10: to be on the side that wins. The people who
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 10: die are going to be the people that I don't
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 10: want to see living or doing because we're going to
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 10: have a different future. And when you think about Putin
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 10: and the way that for so many years his absolute
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 10: prevailing conviction has been the need to restore Russian greatness.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 10: He thought the collapse of the Soviet Union was a
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 10: catastrophe in his own words. And it's almost like he
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 10: found Mother Russia dying when he took over. And he's
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 10: going to bring it back to life. And bringing it
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 10: back to life means... asserting its power, its domination, its strength,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 10: and taking over everywhere you can people who are weaker,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 10: starting in Russia itself, then moving on to Chechnya, and
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 10: now moving on to Georgia in 2008, then moving first
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 10: to Ukraine in 2014, and then now what we see
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 10: happening there. And it just spoke to me about what
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 10: was really going on in Putin's mind and what we're
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 10: now facing in Ukraine and what we would face if
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 10: we don't stop him in Ukraine.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 8: Just an incredible window into Putin's mindset.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: I'm just letting the... I'm changing tacks so hard there's
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: going to be weather in this room. LAUGHTER Before we
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: let you go, we do have to get you on
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: the record on some of the issues that really don't matter.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: So now it's time for a game we call Queen
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: for a Day. Now, you haven't seen these questions. Really haven't.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: But today we have a twist. Tommy hasn't seen them either.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 6: So does he have to answer some?
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: He has to ask some of you.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 6: Exercise discretion, Tommy.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 10: Yes, I will.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: I will.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: All right. I'll kick us off. You can only see
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: one Broadway show over and over for the rest of
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: your life. Do you choose Funny Girl, Wicked, Chicago, or Hamilton?
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 6: Hamilton.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: I'd have said Wicked. I'd have said Wicked.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: Tommy, you're up.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 8: Again, Tommy is seeing this for the first time. If
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 8: you were to meet me on the street, you'd say, Republican, 100%.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: Take it to the bank. Look at him.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: How can we use this power for good?
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: Where should I infiltrate?
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: Where do you think we should we send them? Look
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: at him. Look at this. Look at that shirt.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 6: I think he's doing a good job infiltrating.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: Maybe I already thought of that. That's good.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: Maybe he's coming from the other side. Next question. As
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: a journalist, I have to ask this. There was a story.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: It's going to be tough to look at you while
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: I say this. There was a story that someone took
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: a poop in the aisle next to your seats during
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: a Broadway performance of Some Like It Hot. Were you
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: relieved when you found that it wasn't personal, or is
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: that somehow worse?
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 10: Well, I didn't know it happened until after I found...
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 10: Somebody wrote about it, but at the time, you know,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 10: I was just sitting in my seat watching what was
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 10: happening because I thought it was a fun, funny play,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 10: so I didn't even know it happened.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 6: That says something about me, I guess.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: I just think, I guess, you know what? You've waded
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: through a lot of shit in your life.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 6: What's new, right?
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: Tommy, you're up.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 8: She was the Secretary of State, everybody. On your show, Gutsy,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 8: virtually all the brave people are women. Is that a
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 8: coincidence or an oversight?
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 6: No, that was deliberate.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: He's obviously deliberate, Tommy. Thank you for answering directly. Strange question.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 6: Are you auditioning, John?
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: I might. I might. You know, backstage, Secretary Clinton said, well,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: you said, I like the skirt, but.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 6: I wasn't sure it went with the shoes.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: That's fine. See, that's the kind of... That's the Secretary
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: of State that just wanted, in a diplomatic fashion, to
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: get me on my heels... You know, make me nervous
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: before you came out so that you could win on stage. Wow.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: That's withering. You were captured on a surveillance camera ordering
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: a Chipotle burrito bowl in 2015. Chipotle famously experienced an E.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: coli outbreak later that year. There are two kinds of
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: people in the world, people who steered clear of Chipotle
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: for a while after the outbreak just to be safe,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: or people who felt post-outbreak Chipotle is probably the safest
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: it will ever be. Do you see the glass as
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: half empty or half a coli?
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 6: You know, I was just happy they got back on
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 6: their feet, so to speak.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: Tommy? Tommy?
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 8: You have two buttons in front of you. One will
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 8: instantly erase every American student debt, while the other will
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 8: cause Donald Trump to shrink an imperceptible amount every day
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 8: so that by November he fits in Joe Biden's shirt pocket.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 8: You can only press one button.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 6: Student debt.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: All right. We have one more question for you. The
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: State Department released the following email. We have it on
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: the screen. You sent it on Friday, March 5th, 2010
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: to Assistant Secretary of State for Legislative Affairs, Richard Verma,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: and then Deputy Chief of Staff, Jake Sullivan, my old pal.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: The subject line was gefiltefish. The body of the email read,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: where are we on this? So where were we on this?
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 6: You know, that's why, if anybody actually read my emails....
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 10: Instead of just listen to all the talk about it,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 10: this was a serious problem that we had to solve.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 10: There was a real difficult challenge with getting one of
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 10: the manufacturers of gefilte fish in Israel the appropriate permitting
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 10: to be able for them to export their fish in
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 10: time for Passover.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: See, that's why it's bullshit that you weren't president. Ladies
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: and gentlemen, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton. Thank you
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: so much. Please welcome to the stage the incredibly funny
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: Roy Wood Jr. How are you? Thanks for being here.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: Right there.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is my microphone. I'll take this one. How
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: you been?
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: How you doing?
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: I'm okay.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: You see Hillary Clinton?
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: I'm okay. Yeah, yeah. I spoke briefly back there. What
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: she was wearing, that's some nice fabrics.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 10: Yes.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 4: You ever look at politicians up close, like the fabrics?
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: It's not Macy's.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: It's not Macy's.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: It's some nice stuff.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: Sometimes you get some nice fabrics.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: She got security back there. You just can't walk.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: Up and go, ooh. I don't think even if there
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: wasn't security, you shouldn't be touching other people's fabrics. You
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: shouldn't need a Secret Service agent to stop you. But
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: it's not Macy's.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: It's like NASA. It's like, how could you not?
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: It's like one of those, yeah, it's a future, yeah,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: for sure.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: Future fabrics. Breathes.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: You headlined the Correspondents Center this year, and you did an.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: Incredible job Thank you. I appreciate that.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: It's famously a tough job because you're following the president
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: of the United States. What surprised you about being up there?
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: And what do you think of Joe Biden's set? Joe
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: Biden crushed, which is not a good thing. Because as
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: the comedian coming after the person who's not the comedian,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: who's as hilarious as a comedian, now my job just
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: became ten times harder.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 4: He was doing bits. And, like, while he's up there,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: I'm texting with my writers. I got four or five
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: writers that are in there. We had six writers, but, like,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 4: four or five are, like, in the room. And we're
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: texting the whole time the show is going on, watching
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: the room. They're watching Twitter. So we can be as
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: up in the moment with the set. And Biden did
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: two bits that just were funnier. He had a Rupert
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 4: Murdoch joke that was just way better than my Rupert
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 4: Murdoch joke.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: Hey, come on.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: Don't say that.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 10: It was.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 4: And also, Biden's age is closer to Rupert's. I don't
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 4: know if anybody's close to Rupert in age, but.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: It was more of a like old on old crime
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: type joke.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: Right, right, right.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: Whereas I come up after him, I don't have the
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: same place to call Rupert because Biden's already done it.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: And it's funnier because he's Biden's old.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: Because he's Biden's old.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: Correct. They're both old. So I'm texting, what are we
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 4: going to replace Rupert with? And then it's like another thing.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: Fauci's in the room.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: We need a Fauci joke. Come on. All while Jill
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: Biden is just in your ear talking about Alabama barbecue
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 4: and stuff like it's.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: Is that what happened?
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: We were talking most of the time. Not when Biden
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 4: was up there, but the entire time of the dinner.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 4: It's weird because you are, as a performer, it's one
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: of the most... The only thing I can compare it
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: to is Showtime at the Apollo in 2001. In terms
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: of the stakes of the performance. And while you're trying
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: to focus and think about this thing, and you're not
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: trying to be rude, but... It's the first lady. How
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 4: could you not have a conversation with the first lady?
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: She's right there. Kareem Jean-Pierre's right here. This is the
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: first black LGBT.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, wait.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: Excuse me a second.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 5: Fauci.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 4: I need a Fauci joke. Bill Barr is in the room. Yeah, see,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: Alabama barbecue is better than North Carolina barbecue. That's what's happening.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: Leave me alone, Vice President Kamala Harris. I've got a
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: set to do.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: This is my big night.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: You can't do that. You just have to go, yeah,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: it's an honor. It's an honor. Did I just see
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 4: Caitlyn Jenner in there?
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: There was also, I'd say, one of the most sort
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: of touching moments I've seen in any stand-up at the
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: Correspondence Center, which when we talked about your mom being there.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: She must have been proud.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah. She doesn't, she's a woman that doesn't really like
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 4: the spotlight. She's not big on that. But, you know,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 4: the more we looked at what we wanted to talk
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: about with regards to local news and local media and
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 4: how much of a role local media plays in breaking stories.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: I mean, just today, The Athletic just reassigned a lot
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: of reporters and going to take them off of beats
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: that are very, very important in this country. So my
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: mother was one of the people in Mississippi in the
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: 1960s that helped to integrate Delta State University. She was
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: the first wave of black people that were a part
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: of that. And they went through hell. And the only
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: reason we know that they went through hell is because
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 4: of local reporters. And so You know, my mother and
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: her story, a lot of it is known because of
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: local reporters. And I just wanted people in the room
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: to see that the work matters and that good journalism
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: at a local level matters. And, you know, it was
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: framed in a way as this praise for journalists. But
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 4: to me, I was trying to activate all of the
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 4: people that run these newsrooms and the people that are
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: in charge of all of the layoffs, the people that
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: make triple and four times and 10 times and 20
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: times the people that they're laying off make so that
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: as we go through this next, you know, and I
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 4: hate to say this, but I feel like media this summer,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 4: we're still looking at more contraction across a lot of outlets.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: And the people who are going to be in charge
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: of making those cuts and those decisions, they were in
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 4: that room that night. So it was more for them
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 4: than the people who do the job.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: I think it's interesting. I've heard you talk about sort
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: of thinking about the people that are in the room
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: and the people that aren't in the room. And you
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: talk about this a little bit when you're touring, you know,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: Pod Save America, The Daily Show, a lot of times,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: sometimes it can be a conversation amongst people who are
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: in on the joke. And we try to bring people
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: in and make it entertaining and make it something people
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: will find kind of as an onboard for people to
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: kind of pay attention to politics. But at the same time,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: you know, when you're out on the road, you're talking
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: to people that aren't paying attention to the news nearly
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: as much. Maybe they're not liberal or conservative. They're just
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: not paying attention or as engaged as maybe somebody that's
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: watching The Daily Show a couple nights a week. How
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: does that perspective from sort of when you're on the
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: road doing stand-up, when you're touring, come back and affect
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: how you think about how to do these things when you're, say,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: on television?
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of us are single-issue voters. The uninformed,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 4: the more casual political constituent is a single-issue voter, or
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: they're just caring about the things that affect them at
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: a state and local level. And I think what I
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 4: try to do at The Daily Show, and I got
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: to give Trevor Noah credit for this, that it was about, yeah,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: shout out to Trevor. This idea of finding a national,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 4: it's a national issue, but let's tell it locally. So
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: if you look at a lot of the issues that
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: I've tried to cover on the show, More often than not,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: we just want to talk to one person that's being
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: affected by this and show you how it connects to
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: the bigger conversation as a whole. So, you know, with stand-up,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: it's difficult because I'm still at a point where there's
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: about 70% of the audience that knows what they're getting
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 4: with me and 30% who's seeing me for the first time.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: And I almost have to figure out how, like just
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 4: last week, I was in Hartford, Connecticut. It's a pretty
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: blue-collar comedy club, the Funny Bones. And so that's a
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 4: club where I will put politics a little deeper in
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 4: my act. I won't lead off with it, but if
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: I come out and I go, don't we all hate self-checkout?
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 4: I don't work at this store. That's unifying.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: That's unifying.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: It brings everybody together.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: The self-checkout overlord who comes over and berates you for
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 4: scanning wrong. You start with that. And then you slip
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 4: in gun control. But even when I start talking about guns,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 4: it's a me thing. And so more often than not,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 4: I find it easier when I'm on the road and performing.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 4: If I want to address an issue, I localize it
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 4: to myself. My uncle owns guns. I talk about an
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: experience we had in a gun store. And then you
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 4: tie that into a bigger conversation about mental health. But
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 4: I start with the me, whereas with The Daily Show,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 4: I can start with the world, you know, I can
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: show a mirror to the world. Whereas in comedy, you're
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 4: kind of watching me look at myself and through that
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 4: learning about the world.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: Are you ever on the road? Maybe it's a crowd that's,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: you know, excuse a little bit towards just, they came
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: out that night and you happen to be there and you,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: and you start telling a story.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: My first 10 years of comedy.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: Is that what you're talking about?
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 4: In Alabama?
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: Continue.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: But, but I, but, but, but you started to talk
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: about something that's happening in the news and you're like, oh,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: I am so online. Nobody here knows what the fuck
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: They don't know and they don't care because those things,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 4: those things that we obsess over that we think are
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: the biggest political story of the day. The Chinese spy
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: balloon thing was a quick here and by thing. You know,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: there are a lot of us that are aware of
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 4: foreign politics and things that are going on in the world,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: but people that are living check to check and struggling,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 4: it's hard for them to care about what's happening in Ukraine.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 4: And it's not that they don't care. It's just that
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 4: you don't know how that connects to everything else with
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 4: the American economy and troops getting deployed and troops getting
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: over there and wars way more expensive than the money
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 4: we're sending for aid and support. So you can't boil
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 4: that down for someone who is literally just trying to
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 4: get their kids into a decent school or just trying
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: to stay employed. So more often than not, when you're
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 4: at a comedy club in a red state, it's escapist.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 4: It's an escapist experience for the average comedy club goer.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: But if I'm in San Francisco, or if I'm in Atlanta,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: or like a purple or a blue stronghold, it's communal.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: And you can still talk about other things, and you
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: can still even be a little more edgy, but people
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 4: come to commiserate and almost have a group hug, whereas
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 4: in the red parts of the country, people don't want
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 4: to hear about that. I just want to laugh, but
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 4: it's my job to go, no, you need to know
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 4: about this, but I have to figure out a way
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 4: to couch that in something that's a little bit more
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 4: palatable to start.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: Well, speaking of red state comedy, the Republican primary is
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: ramping up. The field is taking shape. So actually, please
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: welcome back to the stage, John, Dan, Alex, and Tommy,
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: who are going to join to play a game with Roy.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 4: Okay. Got a game.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: Everybody got a mic? John, you go there.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: Great.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: This all worked out? Did everybody go? Everybody worked out?
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: That all happened? Seamlessly?
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: I didn't even need to talk about it.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 4: You did it.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: Roy, thank you for being here, by the way.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 4: I'm happy to be here. This is a thrill. I'm
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: a fan of the show.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: So it's time for a game we call the Mess
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: America Pageant.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 5: Ron DeSanctimonious.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: That's it. You think it was longer.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: It's not.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: That's the sting. Players, I'm going to divide you up
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: into teams, and you'll go toe-to-toe to see who can
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: tell these desperate loser goofballs apart. Alex and Roy, you'll
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: be a team. The other team will be my sweet,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: sweet boys. All right, let me start with Roy and Alex.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: Your first question, which candidate made their spouse change their
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: name saying they just didn't look like their original name?
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: Ron DeSantis.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 4: Feels like a Ron.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: It's a Ron. DeSantis, DeSantis.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: That's incorrect. Do you guys want to steal it?
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: Could you repeat the question?
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: A candidate made their spouse change their name because they
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: just didn't look like their spouse changed their name. They
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: just didn't look like their original name.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: I have no idea.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: What are our options here?
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 12: Who?
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: I'm going to need an answer.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 4: There's like nine.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 9: Do we get to workshop it, or we just got
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 9: to guess?
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: Let's just guess one. What do you think? Pence? No.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: All right, Chrissy. What's a weird thing? Nikki Haley, maybe?
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: Nikki Haley.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: Correct. According to a profile in Vogue, Haley persuaded Michael,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: nay William, to start going by his middle name after
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: they started dating because he looked more like a Michael.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: The profile also says that he's more easygoing.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: Also, just a little news here. Dan showed me a
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: tweet backstage. Nikki Haley... called Trump reckless with national security.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: Wow. It's heating up. Come on.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: Nikki Haley, there you go.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: That's my girl. RIP Nikki Haley. All right, question number two.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: Let's start with John, Dan, Tommy. Fill in the blank.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: When introducing this candidate in Iowa, House Speaker Todd Houston said,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: I read that blank can be like mayonnaise on toast.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: Mike Pence.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: You got it. He also added, but there's a lot
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: of Iowa bacon. and maybe a little Tabasco sauce on
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: that toast.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 4: Who in here puts mayonnaise on toast? I've heard of
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 4: mayo for grilled cheese to serve for butter. I've heard
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: of that, but I've never just straight up.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a trick.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: But just mayo just.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: Mayonnaise on toast.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: Cold out the fridge?
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: No, oh no, never. Never cold on toast on a
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: grilled cheese, yes.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, we warm it up.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: The point is, like Mike Pence, no one likes it.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, yeah, that's true.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: Alex and Roy, speaking of someone no one likes, this
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: candidate reportedly wore earbuds on the house floor so he
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: wouldn't have to talk to people.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 4: Earbuds on the house floor.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: Former member of the house.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: Former member of the house.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 4: So they wouldn't have to talk to people.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: Because they just didn't like talking to people.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: Well, but isn't that Ron DeSantis who doesn't like... Every
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: answer is going to be Ron DeSantis.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: It sounded like some Chris Christie shit, but he gave
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 4: one to no one.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: Well, he wasn't a member of the house.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: Ron DeSantis was a member of the house.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 4: Ron DeSantis.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: You got it.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 4: Every answer will be Ron DeSantis for no one.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: Which candidate hosted an online talk show in his bathrobe
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: called Robe Rage? Yeah, that's right, Tommy.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 10: Dan?
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 4: John?
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: Robe Rage.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: Robe Rage.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: Robe Rage.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: Larry Elder?
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: Maybe? What's your guy's name from North Dakota?
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: Are there some fringe ones I'm not thinking about? Doug Burgum?
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 4: Doug Burgum?
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: Doesn't sound like Doug Burgum to me.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 10: No.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: But nothing sounds like Doug Burgum to me. I mean,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: it's got a Larry Elder, I guess, right?
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: Or Vivek Ramaswamy. I don't know. Someone who's had a show.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: Throw one out there. Chris Christie wouldn't have done that,
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: would he?
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: I hope not.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: Let's go with Larry Elder.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: Larry Elder.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: Larry Elder did have, yeah.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: Roebridge.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: I can see it.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 4: This is only Republican.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, these are the Republicans.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 4: I was going to guess Marianne Williamson for the steal.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: That's a good one. She would do that.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's cool that Marianne Williamson is like a
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  Speaker 3: mindfulness person, but then the story breaks that she got
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  Speaker 3: so angry at her staff, she beat a car window.
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  Speaker 1: Mindfully.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, mindfully. But she was very present. Roy and Alex,
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  Speaker 3: who praised Trump during their book tour saying, in every
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: instance I dealt with him, he was truthful, he listened,
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: and he was great to work with?
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: Ron.
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  Speaker 2: Never mind.
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  Speaker 4: Nikki Haley? Yeah, it's got to be Nikki Haley.
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  Speaker 2: Who worked with him?
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: Pence.
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  Speaker 6: Pence.
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  Speaker 2: Nikki Haley.
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  Speaker 4: When did they say this quote? This is before or
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 4: after January 6th?
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  Speaker 3: That's a really great question. It's not on the card.
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  Speaker 4: Because you know it ain't Pence on January 7th.
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  Speaker 7: Well, after they erect the gallows.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like Nikki Haley.
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  Speaker 2: Let's say Nikki Haley.
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  Speaker 4: We'll say Nikki Haley.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: You got it.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 4: Okay. Wow.
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  Speaker 3: In 2012, this candidate was asked if he was still
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: keeping a pledge he made publicly ever since he was
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: in public life. He replied, not as well as I
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: did then. Who is the candidate and what is the pledge?
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: The candidate is Tim Scott. Yeah. And the pledge is
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: to not engage in sexual relations before he's married.
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  Speaker 3: That's correct.
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  Speaker 11: Wow.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: There it is.
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  Speaker 3: He was 30 when he made the pledge publicly. He
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: was 46 when he was asked that question by National Journal.
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  Speaker 1: It's your guy.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: It's our guy.
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  Speaker 4: I like that that was a question on the campaign trail.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 4: Did you get some answers?
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: Did you say National Journal or National Enquirer? That's a
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: sort of like, I'm here today to talk about how...
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: You fucking.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: We're not going to listen. to a word you say.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: None of us can get past... We're children. We need
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: to know, Roy. Is Tim Scott fucking... All right. Roy
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: and Alex. In 2003, a representative gave a House floor
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: speech celebrating Garfield the comic... saying, I rise today in
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: the midst of serious debates and serious discussions to pay
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: tribute to a very large orange American tradition.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: Did he ask for lasagna and to get Mondays off, too?
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: Garfield reference. I guess not a lot of fans in
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: the audience.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: Can you repeat it?
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 4: Starfield in 2003 on the floor. On the floor, wait.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: On the floor of the house. I'll give you, he
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: may like certain cartoon characters, but he actually strongly dislikes others.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: And that was a big part of his persona at
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: the time. He has a specific distaste for Mulan.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 12: Oh, oh.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: Wait, who just tried to ban Mulan? Was it Ron?
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 11: I mean, you counted it in.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, 2003.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: You want to say it?
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 11: I don't want to say it.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: Was Ron? Was Ron? No, Ron wasn't.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: Was he? Was he in the house? Does he like Garfield?
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: They don't know.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: Don't listen to them.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: They don't know.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: I think you should just say it.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 4: Asa Hutchinson. Oh.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: It was Mike Pence.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, right. Of course.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: You didn't give us the steal?
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: Oh, do you want the steal? You can just edit it.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 3: Do you guys want the steal?
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: You knew it.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 4: Hutchinson was in Arkansas.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: All right. John, Dan, Tommy, who is such an unbelievable
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: kiss-ass that they mentioned Trump positively 21 times in a
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: single debate while running for office?
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: This feels very DeSantis-y. I was going to say Ron DeSantis. Oh, yeah.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 7: Shoot it.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: Ron DeSantis. You got it. Alex and Roy, whose staff
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: said in private that this candidate made more fun of
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump than anyone I know and thought Trump was
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: fucking nuts?
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, that sounds like Chris Christie, doesn't it?
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that feels like a Chris Christie.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: We're so confident. No, it's not. He's saying no, that's wrong.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: I'll give you a hint.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: It follows from the previous question.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: Like Mike Pence?
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 4: Mike Pence?
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: It's Ron DeSantis. Come on.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: Anyone can steal this now. This is the lightning round.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: Which candidate said this in an op-ed? Time for a
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: quick reality check. Despite the hysteria from the political class
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: and the media, smoking doesn't kill.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: Mike Pence.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: You got it. And final question. Which candidate recently told
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: Mark Leibovich, I have regrets about every part of my life?
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: Chris Christie.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: You got it.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 4: There you go.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: Kristen, you've run the numbers. Not even close. Roy and
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: Alex have won the game.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: What?
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: Abs, just a steal. Took it.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: Your questions were worth more points.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 4: Oh, that's so nice.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: It's an electoral college thing.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 4: Okay. I'll take that.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: Roy Wood Jr., everybody. Thank you so much for being here.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: That's our show for tonight.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: Thanks to Roy Wood Jr., Alex Wagner, Listen to James,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: and Hillary Clinton, and thank you.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: Guys for coming.
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