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I Saw the Devil | Full Movie Review / Ep. 80 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  I'm Jessica and this is Tippa K Rambles, where a couple of
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  friends review Korean dramas and we are on the last episode of
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  Spooky Season. Yay.
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  And for this episode, I'm joined by my friend Caitlin from the No
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  Sleep for Dramas blog and podcast.
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  How are you, Caitlin? Hello, I'm happy to be here.
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  I know you are because you are my crime friend, my crime and
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  thriller Gurley. And when I said I was doing a
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  spooky season, you were like, yes, you rang, you called.
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  Yep, absolutely yes. So we are going to be covering
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  the movie I Saw the Devil and I, yeah, I gave a list of movies
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  and you were like, let's do I saw the Devil.
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  Because I'll tell you why I said that.
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  Because I watched this earlier this year for the first time,
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  and then I saw it on your list and I was like, OK, well, I
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  watched it early this year. I have to do it.
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  Perfect. But also, I watched this because
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  of our favorite crime podcast and she talked about this show.
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  And so it was like, well, I need to check out this movie now that
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  our crime podcast talked about it and reference that this
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  actual crime, yeah, was reflected in this movie.
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  And like, this movie was based off of this actual killer I was
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  talking about in this episode. So I was like, oh, OK, I need to
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  go watch this movie now. Full circle moment where we both
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  listen to Korean true crime podcast.
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  We love Mimi Mzico, and so shout out to her and her wonderful
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  podcast. And so we both listened to this
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  episode about this true crime that happened in Korea.
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  And so they created this terrifying media for us to
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  consume that is loosely based on this crime.
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  And here we are several months later having watched this movie,
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  this awful, awful movie. So we're going to start.
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  We're going to talk about it. You know that.
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  This is a classic crime movie in Korea.
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  Like you go to any list that has like best crime thriller movies
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  from Korea in the last 20 years. This is always on that list.
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  It's very well known. It's always on top and best of
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  less. So it wasn't a top and best of
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  in our estimations. We will tell you.
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  All right, thank you guys. And we're going to get into it.
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  We are going to talk about the movie I Saw the Devil, the IMDb
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  synopsis reads A secret agent exacts revenge on a serial
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  killer through a series of captures and releases.
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  I think that IMDb synopsis actually gave a lot away because
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  when I watched the movie I didn't know anything.
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  I I was like, I think this movie has EBN in it and I just played
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  it again at like 1:00 in the morning.
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  I don't know why I am so brave in the wee hours of the morning,
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  but I played it months ago like earlier this year and was the
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  throne. It was shocking so I'll leave it
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  at that. I think this IMDb synopsis gives
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  too much weight because I walked in blind.
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  But this movie was originally released August 12th, 2010.
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  It is 2 hours and 24 minutes long.
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  I think that's a little long. I will say it's a it's a little
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  long. It's a touch long, yeah.
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  The director and screenwriter is Kim Dewun.
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  He has also directed things like The Age of Shadows, The Last
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  Stand, The Good The Bad, The Weird, A Bittersweet Life, A
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  Tale of Two Sisters, which I have also wanted to watch.
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  That's another horror movie. So a lot of things on this list
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  that, oh, Doctor Brain, the TV show.
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  Great show, by the way. I knew you had to watch.
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  It's on Apple TV if you want to know.
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  Yeah, yeah. So lots of things on Hills
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  filmography that are worth a watch.
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  It's Co written by Pakhun Dong. This guy has written The Witch
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  Part 1, The Subversion, as well as the sequel The Undressed New
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  World, The Tiger. So some movies, some really
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  interesting stuff. I haven't really watched much
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  else besides the Which part won the subversion?
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  Have you watched stuff on this list?
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  No. I I have, I'll let you know my
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  history when it comes to horror stuff.
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  I have not tried the Witch because I feel like I'm going to
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  be too scared. Oh, I don't know.
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  OK. I recommend going in to watch
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  the witch blind. Don't look up anything.
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  Just go in and say you can. I'll tell you it has Kim Dami
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  and Chebushi. Yeah.
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  That's all you need to know. Yeah.
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  All right. I just need to know if it's like
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  possession stuff or is it's like serial killer crime.
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  No, it's not. Possession stuff, serial killer
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  crime stuff, I can handle that. Possession stuff, not so much.
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  No, it's not spiritual. OK.
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  All right, the cast for I Saw the Devil is Ivyungen.
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  He plays SU Hyun, the secret agent, Chem and Sheik plays
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  Zhang Kyung Chol, the serial killer.
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  And then we have some other players.
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  We got a couple older actors who play police officers or squad
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  chiefs, Jung Ku Kuan and Chun Ho Jin.
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  And then we have Chen Musong. Yes, that Chen Musong Musong.
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  He plays Teju and I will not be saying like what his character
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  is or does. And that's pretty much it.
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  I'm not going to say anybody else in the cast list.
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  It is. There are more players, but
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  they're kind of more like bit players or cameos, depending on
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  how you look at it. But I think we've come to the
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  end of that section. Caitlin, how do you feel about I
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  Saw the Devil? What are your thoughts SO?
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  I rated this a 7.5 out of 10. I wanted this to be better than
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  it was. The acting was brilliant.
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  It was really good. But they advertise this, at
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  least the trailers I saw before I watched this movie.
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  I'm not saying everything advertise this, but they
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  advertise this as like a cat and mouse movie.
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  So I went in there expecting a cat and mouse movie and it
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  really wasn't to me. It was very one sided even to
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  the end where he did like the Choi Min Sheikh's character sort
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  of took revenge at the end. But like it was still very one
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  sided because you're up against like a special agent secret
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  forces person who knows every torture method in the book
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  against your average citizen serial killer who is still
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  extremely violent and brutal but does not have the fighting
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  capabilities as your secret Asian guy.
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  So for me to advertise this as a cat and mouse serial killer and
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  like The thing is too is like even if you have that set up and
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  you're up against like a soldier combat heavy or like secret
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  agent person against your regular citizen, make the serial
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  killer extremely smart, like like and it's like a battle wits
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  and Braun or something. But that wasn't the case either.
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  It's like average citizen guy who is just really really
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  horrible killer, like really horrible human being up against
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  a secret agent who knows every torture method in the book and
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  has every gadget you can possibly think of.
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  And so to advertise this as a cat and mouse story I think was
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  bad advertisement because it was extremely one sided when it came
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  to the chase and the IT was like the secret agent was the cat and
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  he was basically playing with his prey the entire time.
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  And it was not an even cat and mouse story, which I love, which
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  is why I watched this movie. I totally understand where
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  you're coming from, but I also feel from a marketing
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  standpoint, audiences are a little a little bit stupid.
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  True. So if you try and sell it as
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  something other than cat and mouse, it's just the cat is
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  dominating most of the movie and the mouse isn't getting away
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  necessarily at any point. I think that would confuse the
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  audience and maybe bar them from wanting to watch the movie
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  because the at. Least or you can just like I
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  think in my mind it was like, well, just advertise as a
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  revenge story. Like don't advertise it as a cat
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  and mouse. Just say what it is, which is
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  it's a straight up revenge story.
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  I I'll go into like when it goes in the spoilers, I have some
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  questions about that, but it's straight up revenge.
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  It's not a cat and mouse. I see what you're saying.
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  You unlock something for me that I first of all, Full disclosure,
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  I have no notes, I am just flying by the seat of my pants.
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  But something that you unlocked for me as you were talking was
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  on 1st watch, my first watch of this again I went in blind, had
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  no idea. I thought it was going to be
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  actually a spiritual. It's like some sort of religious
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  movie. Because of the title I saw the
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  Devil, or the English title I saw the Devil, right?
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  Yeah. So I was expecting some sort of
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  exorcism, some sort of like shaman or Catholicism to come
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  into play. That was not the case at all.
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  Second of all, the revenge aspect of the movie was
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  obviously very heavy-handed. That's the the bulk of the
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  movie. Is this extended 2 1/2 hour
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  revenge from Ebiungan's character, Torch him and
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  Sheikh's character. I think I had issues with the
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  fact that this man was trying to exact revenge, not on behalf of
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  his of the woman that was killed, right?
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  Right. It's like for him, yeah.
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  Because you, you took something away from me.
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  Like you, it wasn't necessarily like for her.
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  It's hard to explain this feeling but like it's almost
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  like she has nothing to do with it.
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  Yeah, which is why I wanted to pose the question like, who do
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  you think the devil is in the title?
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  Right. And that's the the question that
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  the movie poses to the audience is right amongst all of this
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  sadistic, horrifying violence that each character inflicts on
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  each other, on other characters, is it sanctioned enough where
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  you absolve Evo Gunn's character of blame?
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  And you're like, I'm still OK with his revenge and he's not
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  the devil or he's lost his soul in the process of him doing this
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  revenge and he has become on par with this devil that he's
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  chasing. Yeah.
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  It it's up to audience interpretation, it's totally up
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  to each individual person as you watch it, what your own moral
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  compass is, what your own comfort level is, what the
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  violence may be with your own, how triggering the movie will be
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  for you. I personally I think he lost his
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  marbles. Oh yeah, like the entire movie
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  to me is him descending. He went too far, yeah.
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  Into this man that he became his prey.
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  Yeah, he became the man that he was trying to exact revenge on.
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  And I am all for you're talking to a person who loves.
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  Sounds terrible, but I love violence and I am pretty
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  desensitized to a lot of stuff. This movie was was a step beyond
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  to that. It was really brutal.
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  It was extremely disgusting. And it it just as much as I
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  wanted to support Evan's character and his vigilante
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  justice, because I support vigilante justice in general.
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  Like for other media, I'm always like, yeah, like, stick it to
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  him. In this case, he was definitely
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  taking on the mantle of being the same.
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  He was almost the same, right? The only difference between him
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  and Shaman Sheik, and I don't know if this is spoiler
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  territory or not, but we're I'm answering your question.
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  The only saving grace for Eben's character is that he still had
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  some semblance of humanity by the end of the movie.
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  He had remorse. He had sadness.
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  He, he had, he felt some type of way about the crimes, about the
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  situation that was created from his actions and Chim and Sheik,
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  the serial killer did not. He had no humanity.
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  He did not feel remorse. He was almost clinical in the
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  way that he exacted some of these violent, violent.
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  Actions. But at the same time, I would
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  argue to see the special agent was also clinical in that way
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  because that's he was trained to do it.
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  So but he was had one target like where is the?
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  Serial killer what I think was Evie Youngun's character
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  regretted doing it, but did he though?
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  I. Think, I mean walking down the
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  street at the end, I don't. I think he was relieved it was
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  done. I think it was really.
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  That differently. Yeah, you read that.
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  Glad that it happened and like the ending played out how he
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  wanted it to, but I don't think he regretted it.
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  Oh my God, we totally read the ending differently.
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  So you think it's relief he's crying out of?
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  Oh yeah. He's like I'm done with my
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  mission. I accomplished what I wanted.
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  I think he's crying out of, I mean, not saying he's not
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  relieved, but I think he's crying out of a a plethora of
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  emotions, one of them being like regret because this whole thing
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  got way out of hand he couldn't control.
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  Oh no, I think he cried because he was like I finally got my
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  revenge. I now can mourn how I wanted to.
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  Oh my gosh, well, I don't. I don't disagree with you
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  though. Oh God, this is but it's very
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  ambiguous. It's so again.
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  It's up to interpretation. Yeah, absolutely.
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  Yeah. Which is the thrill of like
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  watching it is. The way you come at it is not
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  wrong. The way however you watch it is
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  not wrong. There's not a wrong answer for
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  how you think these characters are feeling or if they're right
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  or wrong. It's not.
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  It's not. You can feel however you want to
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  feel. Right, because like for example,
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  with the title, you could see that both ways you can do like
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  OK, serial killer guy was is always, always confident, like
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  extremely confident. He's not going to get caught.
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  Then he meets his worst enemy, who's probably more, I wouldn't
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  say more brutal than him, but can be as brutal as he is, and
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  he has to. And he's like being chased by
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  this guy. It wasn't like an equal.
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  It wasn't like they were both kind of just living parallel.
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  No, he's the prey of this guy. So he saw the devil.
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  Or you can take it from a perspective of the secret agent
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  where he was not aware that this dude is out there or like
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  blissfully unaware. And then he realizes this kind
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  of killer is out there in his home country, and he sees the
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  devil and now has to, I don't know, I want to say repent, but
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  it's not repent. Or it could be in the course of
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  his vigilante revenge quest, he sees the devil within.
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  Himself. Exactly.
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  Which I am inclined to believe that version of, right, the
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  interpretation. So it's like a vicious cycle
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  that he's discovered that he has this devilry within himself,
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  right? And it's scary.
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  Yeah. All right, so didn't mean to get
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  that deep and philosophical right off the bat, but this
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  movie, as we said before, is not for everybody.
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  It is very hard to watch. It is not a slow burn either.
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  It gets going very fast like the first intro sequence will.
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  If you can't get past that, I don't think you will be able to
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  watch the rest of the movie. No, no, like I'll tell you one
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  thing Like I was, I think I talked about this in another, I
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  think it was Liliana's podcast that I recorded recently about
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  crime in general. Crime movies do not have the
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  censorship that the Korean dramas do.
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  So they are so much more violent and so much more like the show
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  more stuff, show more nakedness, show more weaponry, show more
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  violence in general. So if you have never seen a
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  crime movie versus a crime Korean drama, do not pick this
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  one as your first first go into crime movies.
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  Like DM me to ask. It's just like.
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  Taking an AP class when you've been in like remedial?
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  Yeah, it goes from zero to 100. I mean, like, you guys know me,
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  I can watch pretty much anything when it comes to violence.
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  I'm very desensitized to it. This had me cringing when I
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  watched it earlier this year. Like, there's two specific
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  scenes in this movie that I was like, Oh my God.
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  And I've watched every single episode of Criminal Minds, so
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  like, and those get brutal. So that will tell you something
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  about how violent and how gory this movie is.
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  There's just so much that there's a lot of.
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  I remember saying that the serial killer displays almost
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  like a clinical sense of the way that he enacts the violence is
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  almost clinical, but there's just a sense of like no pathos.
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  Right. Yeah.
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  When he does that. He doesn't have any empathy.
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  He doesn't. He doesn't think he'll ever get
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  caught until he does. He lives on the cusp of society,
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  so no one cares and no one has cared.
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  Like he's old. He's a older yeah person, so
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  he's been doing this for a really long time.
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  So I have some fun facts, and maybe it's a bit much to call
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  them fun facts at this point when we're talking about
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  something so terrible. I also have a fun fact.
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  But it's not really. Fun.
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  Why? Why didn't you say yours first?
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  So when we going back to the conversation of like the I saw
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  the devil thing, where one of the parts of him seeing the
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  devil is like him realizing this type of killer is out there.
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  Yeah. Fun fact, the FBI says there's
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  25 to 50 active serial killers in the United States at one time
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  currently. 25 to 50 active serial killers now.
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  Right now. Yeah, right now, this year.
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  Are half of them truck drivers? Because I remember saying
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  something very well about the truck drivers being.
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  Could very well be. Like it was a system of they
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  were finding bodies along the major highways and then they
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  overlaid the map of the big truck drivers and the 18
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  Wheelers where they were going. And it was identical to the
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  routes. And they were just dumping the
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  bodies where they we're trucking.
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  And I was like, oh God, here we go.
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  Something everybody already knew, but.
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  Yeah, but yeah, so that's the statistic is like FBI says 25 to
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  50 serial killers are always active.
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  It's about. 25. To 50, and that's United States
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  alone. That's United States alone.
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  Like some of these countries. Other countries don't even want
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  to report that statistic to even tell people how many people they
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  have in their country. They don't want to know,
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  basically. So that's a statistic for you.
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  OK, well, my that's not a fun fact.
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  That's a disturbing fact. It's a disturbing fact.
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  All right, so my fun facts are a little less morbid.
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  Maybe the Korean Media Rating Board.
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  We were talking about the rating of the movie and cuts to the
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  movie. The Korean Media Rating Board
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  forced Kim Diwan, the director, to recut the film for its
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  theatrical release, objecting to its violent content.
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  Otherwise, the film would have gotten a restricted rating,
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  preventing any sort of release in theaters or on home video.
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  You're just shaking your head. You're like, Oh my God, like
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  what we got is crazy. The international cut did away
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  with a lot of sequences the director regarded as unnecessary
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  and added all the scenes banned by the Korean censor board.
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  Yet it's the Korean cut that runs longer than the
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  international one, which I found really interesting during the
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  shoot. And this is also like this next
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  one. I was like, I don't know why he
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  would. I've heard this.
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  I've heard this one. OK, during the shoot, Chairman
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  Chic, which is the serial killer in the movie, was so into
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  character that he got the idea of beating up a random stranger
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  who talked rudely to him in an elevator, only to realize he has
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  turned violent during the shoot and eventually freaking out.
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  Following the film's release, he met a girl in the elevator who
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  freaked out and panicked seeing him having watched the film.
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  To calm her down, he told her. I don't kill people anymore, so
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  you don't need to be worried about me.
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  I'm human, not a killer. Again, I think I would have
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  taken that to my grave. I would not say.
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  I mean, it was I turned violent. There's been other actors who
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  have come out over the years who have played extremely violent
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  serial killers in dramas and movies who say this exact thing.
• 24:07
  Like they're like I it's extremely hard for me to get
• 24:11
  over a role to get past that to, especially if they're a method
• 24:15
  actor, so. I don't believe.
• 24:17
  In nice acting, I don't yeah, I don't really either.
• 24:20
  I don't really either. But like, it's this is not a
• 24:23
  uncommon statement. I've heard this all the time
• 24:27
  from people who've played violent serial killers in
• 24:30
  dramas. I've heard this as well.
• 24:32
  Because it takes them a little while to get out of the
• 24:35
  character. And then sometimes they, like
• 24:38
  have to, they like enter depression afterwards because
• 24:41
  they're like, I cannot believe I just shot that scene and did all
• 24:45
  that horrible stuff and now I need to go talk to a therapist.
• 24:49
  Right. There's two stories that I
• 24:50
  recall that have nothing at all to do.
• 24:53
  One sort of has something to do with this movie and the other
• 24:56
  one has nothing at all to do with it.
• 24:58
  But it just goes to show that I feel like method acting is
• 25:01
  bullshit. One has to do with Kristen
• 25:05
  Stewart playing Bella Swan in Twilight.
• 25:08
  So there's this. Because I used to be so into the
• 25:13
  Twilight series, I remember reading this, I think it was an
• 25:17
  interview that she did where she was talking about having to let
• 25:21
  go of Bella Swan after filming the first movie.
• 25:24
  That she was so into it and she was so entrenched in the
• 25:27
  character. And the only way that she could
• 25:30
  let go of the character was basically driving back from
• 25:34
  Washington back to LA or wherever she lived at the time,
• 25:38
  I think in Bella's truck. So in that red pickup, that old
• 25:42
  red pickup, she drove all the way back to LA and that that
• 25:46
  drive basically released her from the confines of Bella
• 25:52
  Swan's characterization. And I was like, I remember
• 25:55
  reading that and being like, that's weird.
• 25:56
  This was over a decade ago, like right, Basically almost mid
• 26:00
  2000s that I read this or saw this story.
• 26:03
  And I was like, that's weird. Now I'd say get the fuck out of
• 26:06
  here, bro. Like that is the stupidest thing
• 26:09
  I've ever heard. Second of all, more recently,
• 26:13
  Nicolas Cage played, I think, a serial killer in long legs,
• 26:18
  which is a 2024 horrible so which I have yet to see.
• 26:22
  I couldn't get out to see it this year.
• 26:25
  And they asked him like, was it difficult getting out of
• 26:27
  character, like getting in and out of the character and stuff
• 26:30
  like that. And Nicholas Cage has been an
• 26:33
  actor for a very long time. Nick Cage goes, no, it wasn't
• 26:38
  difficult. Like, you just show up and you
• 26:40
  do a job and you, you know, you find your spots that you get
• 26:43
  into the character and you just, you don't take that home.
• 26:46
  You don't like. He was like, no, it's not
• 26:50
  difficult to cut. Get in and out of character.
• 26:53
  Yeah, it's crazy. But no, I didn't have any
• 26:56
  trouble taking anything. Like it was so funny to hear
• 27:01
  this sort of seasoned actor talk about getting into basically a
• 27:07
  serial, another disturbing character.
• 27:11
  And he was like, no, you just show up and do a job.
• 27:15
  You're playing make believe and then you go home and eat like a
• 27:19
  pop pocket. Like it's not a big deal.
• 27:22
  So yeah, hearing this thing from Tim and Chica, I was like, well
• 27:27
  it sounds like he was method acting and I think method act is
• 27:34
  bullshit. So anyway, this is a long outro
• 27:39
  to this one pack. Anyway, this movie marks Trim
• 27:43
  and Sheik's second role as a serial killer, following 2005's
• 27:46
  Lady Vengeance, known in the US as Lady Vengeance.
• 27:50
  That is a Pak Chanuk movie that I watched I think one or two
• 27:54
  years ago. And my review is up on the
• 27:57
  Patreon feed because I did the whole Vengeance trilogy from Pak
• 28:01
  Chanuk and I, I just recovered actually like last week from
• 28:06
  doing that. And then the last one fact I
• 28:11
  have is this movie and the Chaser from 2008 are loosely
• 28:14
  based on murder events committed by the serial killer Yu Yong
• 28:19
  Tol, also known as the Raincoat Killer from 2003 to 2004.
• 28:25
  And that is the crime that we are referencing earlier.
• 28:31
  Do you have more info on the Rainco killer that you care to
• 28:33
  share or? Was the rainco killer the one
• 28:37
  that the Netflix documentary that came out?
• 28:39
  A couple. Years ago, yeah.
• 28:42
  That's a great documentary, I highly recommend that if you
• 28:46
  want to know more about that killer.
• 28:48
  I I think it's actually called The Raincoat.
• 28:50
  Killer it is. It is.
• 28:52
  Yeah, yeah. That's if you want to know more
• 28:55
  about that killer, go and watch that documentary.
• 28:57
  I think it's very well done because it's not like one of
• 29:00
  those things where this is what we did and this was what we
• 29:04
  caught them. They're like they're they were
• 29:06
  it was a fudged investigation. So the documentary also goes
• 29:10
  into like, what went wrong? And they actually brought in
• 29:15
  like, people who worked the case and like now are retired or
• 29:19
  whatever, whatever, or reporters or whatever.
• 29:22
  So I thought they did a very good job in terms of having a
• 29:26
  objective perspective when it came to reporting on the case
• 29:30
  and like, what happened and what went wrong during the case.
• 29:33
  Yeah, because they royally they did, they royally effed up.
• 29:39
  Yeah, What really affected me was listening to the not the
• 29:42
  testimony, but the interview from the female CSI who was on
• 29:46
  the case, who was trying to get fingerprints from one of the
• 29:50
  bodies to try and identify one of the victims.
• 29:54
  And she was basically talking to the victim and like, please,
• 29:58
  like, let me try and get this fingerprint because it was so
• 30:01
  decomposed at that point that they couldn't.
• 30:05
  And she tried over and over and over and over again to get a
• 30:10
  clean print. And finally she did and was able
• 30:14
  to identify that victim. But it was her persistence and
• 30:17
  the fact that she was a female CSI in the mid 2000, almost 20
• 30:21
  years ago. And that was very male dominated
• 30:25
  industry and it was affecting to hear her talk about the case and
• 30:30
  how she approached it and seeing the victims and stuff like that.
• 30:34
  So I highly recommend watching The Raincoat Killer, which is on
• 30:37
  Netflix. It's a Netflix documentary like
• 30:39
  you said. And then obviously you can
• 30:41
  listen to Korean True Crimes podcast episode on the same
• 30:47
  topic. All right, what would you?
• 30:50
  So you gave it 7 1/2 out of 10. What would that equate to in
• 30:56
  five out of five Soulja bottles? I would say like 3, like just in
• 31:04
  the middle, because it wasn't bad, it's just it wasn't what I
• 31:08
  was expecting it to be. So I think I went in with
• 31:12
  expectations and when those expectations weren't met, my
• 31:17
  rating went down. See, I had no expectations.
• 31:20
  So I feel like my rating was 4 four out of fives hold you
• 31:26
  bottles. But again, I was a little bit.
• 31:30
  Why did this story about all of these female victims and his
• 31:36
  relation that was I'm not going to say who it was.
• 31:38
  I'm trying to like keep less spoilers out of this section.
• 31:42
  But you know, the females that were brutalized it, it ends up
• 31:49
  not become, it's not about them, it's about these two men.
• 31:53
  And I think that rubbed me the wrong way.
• 31:55
  Yeah, yeah, 'cause they basically did what the serial
• 31:59
  killer was doing to these women and that was dehumanizing them.
• 32:03
  Like they weren't, they were, it didn't matter.
• 32:06
  They were plot points. They weren't, they weren't even
• 32:10
  the fiance, like the fiance wasn't really like she was a
• 32:13
  plot point at the beginning of this of the movie and that was
• 32:16
  it, right? Never discussed again.
• 32:19
  Right, like stepping stones for these men to have their little
• 32:23
  battle. Yeah, even the father too.
• 32:26
  Like it wasn't just the two main people, it was the father also.
• 32:30
  Almost like a pride thing. Like I can't believe they did.
• 32:32
  Like this guy did this to us, even though I'm a cop and you're
• 32:37
  a security guy. Yeah, all of them were too.
• 32:41
  Pride it was. It was improving.
• 32:43
  The serial killer. Like they were revelling and
• 32:46
  angry at the irony of the fiance getting brutalized and murdered
• 32:53
  because of what they do for a living.
• 32:56
  Exactly, and how important they are.
• 32:58
  Yeah. And I don't think it's overt,
• 33:01
  but it's there. Oh it, I mean it's there.
• 33:05
  It's there. But then the first scene shows
• 33:08
  so much in this movie. Well, not the first scene.
• 33:13
  The 1st, the first crime scene. The first crime scene.
• 33:17
  I mean, we'll talk about it, we'll talk about it and suppose
• 33:20
  we'll start there. We'll start at the beginning.
• 33:22
  But honestly, that's a huge reason of why my score is a
• 33:25
  four. And also I think the movie is
• 33:28
  just too long. Yeah, it's way too long.
• 33:31
  It just keeps going. Yeah, so, but it's well done.
• 33:35
  It looks great. I think it holds.
• 33:36
  Up the acting is amazing, acting is amazing acting was great
• 33:40
  it's. Got a lot of moral quandaries
• 33:42
  What would you do? How would you handle this?
• 33:44
  What if you you know what would how would you pass judgement on
• 33:49
  EB Youngun's character? Because I think everybody is in
• 33:52
  agreement like we should just burn the serial killer at the
• 33:56
  stake, right? Yeah, no one's but.
• 33:58
  That also is the way the story wanted you to think.
• 34:03
  What does justice look like for you?
• 34:05
  What does justice look like for you?
• 34:09
  And I don't know if it's necessarily put him through the
• 34:12
  justice system. My thing though is if this
• 34:14
  wasn't the fiance, if because he's not a cop, the father was
• 34:20
  but he's not. So if the serial killer did not
• 34:24
  go after the fiance and it was just a random girl, yeah, this
• 34:28
  movie never would have happened. Exactly.
• 34:31
  And never would have like all the other.
• 34:33
  Victims don't get exactly like he's not doing this on behalf of
• 34:38
  like all of these women and and the women that he didn't kill
• 34:44
  but raped or, or somehow brutalized.
• 34:49
  And I I take issue with that. Like the motive, the intention
• 34:53
  behind his. It's it's yeah, it's not clean,
• 34:58
  right? It's muddy.
• 34:59
  So yeah, anyway, 4 out of five, three out of five soldier
• 35:03
  bottles. And we are going to talk more at
• 35:06
  length about what the hell happens in this movie because
• 35:10
  we've said like the basic inciting incident, but we
• 35:14
  haven't exactly said what what he does in the in the first
• 35:18
  sequence. And what is the cat and mouse
• 35:21
  thing that happens throughout the movie, which really we
• 35:27
  there's just so much that we haven't talked about.
• 35:29
  So we'll talk about it in the spoilers section right after
• 35:32
  this. The greatest trick, Houston, we
• 35:35
  have a problem. I am the father.
• 35:37
  I see dead people the devil ever pulled.
• 35:41
  Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain was
• 35:44
  convincing the world you can't handle the truth.
• 35:48
  He didn't exist. No, what's in the box?
• 35:53
  OK, we're on the other side of spoilers.
• 35:55
  We are going to spoil exactly what happens.
• 35:58
  And I saw the devil. So if you want to preserve your
• 36:02
  first watch, I feel like we've already spoiled some things,
• 36:04
  like larger plot beats about the movie.
• 36:06
  But really, we're gonna get into the nitty gritty.
• 36:09
  Here we go, Caitlin. Let's talk about this intro
• 36:12
  sequence because. This so like the the real intro
• 36:16
  sequence, like the car on the side of the road.
• 36:17
  The car on the side of the. Road.
• 36:19
  OK, OK, which it is. Disturbing on so many levels.
• 36:24
  You see the fiance in the car and it's the camera is the point
• 36:28
  of view of the serial killer, right?
• 36:30
  Which automatically you're like, oh I've been in the car
• 36:34
  throughout all of the intro credits with the serial killer
• 36:37
  the whole time. Yep.
• 36:39
  And I had no idea he was just driving on these snowy roads and
• 36:44
  he you can see this little van that's off to the side of the
• 36:48
  road stranded. She's waiting for a tow truck to
• 36:52
  come and change her tire. And she's on the phone with Eben
• 36:56
  Gun and she is as sweet as pie. But even the voice that she has
• 37:00
  is like, I can't even describe it.
• 37:03
  It is. It's not agile, but it's just
• 37:06
  like this sweet little like voice that she has on the phone.
• 37:10
  She's saying that she was visiting an orphanage earlier in
• 37:14
  the day. She's saying, oh, if I ever have
• 37:16
  children, I want to raise them out here in the countryside
• 37:21
  where the air is fresh. And like, she's talking all this
• 37:23
  shit right? And you're like, oh, my God,
• 37:25
  this sweet girl. What the fuck is going to happen
• 37:28
  to the sweet lady? Oh, you.
• 37:30
  Immediately know what's going to.
• 37:31
  Happen. You know what's going to happen
• 37:32
  to her. Dark Rd.
• 37:34
  No one's around, it's snowing and she has a flat tire.
• 37:37
  Like equation for death right there.
• 37:40
  She's. Going to die, she's going to
• 37:42
  die. So the guy gets out of the car
• 37:46
  and what's great is you don't see what the serial killer looks
• 37:49
  like right away. You just see him like walk up to
• 37:52
  the car, knock on the window. She lowers the window.
• 37:55
  What does he want? He's like, hey, what's going on?
• 37:58
  I say, you know, it's you're going to wait a long time for a
• 38:00
  tow truck and all this stuff. And he goes to check on her,
• 38:05
  the, I guess, tire that needs replacing.
• 38:08
  And Eva Gun's telling her, oh, just wait for the tow truck,
• 38:10
  like telling me it's fine, don't worry about it.
• 38:13
  It's when she hangs up the phone with Eva Gun and the guy comes
• 38:17
  back up to the front door. That's when you see him through
• 38:20
  the window, his face through the window, checking her out.
• 38:24
  Of the passenger seat. From SO.
• 38:25
  It's like even like the camera angle, it's like you are looking
• 38:31
  at them as if you are Pat like sitting in the passenger seat
• 38:35
  for the rest of the scene even when you're looking out the
• 38:38
  windshield after this too. So that's kind of like you're in
• 38:41
  the car with, yes. And I'll tell you, the amount of
• 38:45
  tension that is in this scene should be studied.
• 38:50
  It is so good. It's great.
• 38:55
  Well, I think part of the tension though is in this movie
• 38:57
  does this really well is they know how to play with the
• 39:01
  silences of the movie. Like they take the music out and
• 39:06
  they either just have what's going on in, like the actions,
• 39:10
  like the rustling in the snow or like the dead silence that snow
• 39:14
  make gives you. Like they took the music out of
• 39:17
  this for this entire sequence until he starts attacking the
• 39:22
  car. That's when the music comes back
• 39:25
  in. So like you are watching this
• 39:27
  from the passenger seat of this car, dead silent.
• 39:31
  Just having this guy like having the perspective of the woman
• 39:35
  sitting in the driver's seat, like what she hears for most of
• 39:38
  the scene. So, like, you realize she didn't
• 39:42
  hear the guy come walking back up to her car because there was
• 39:45
  snow on the ground. She didn't hear him walking
• 39:48
  around the other side of her car.
• 39:50
  Like, that is brilliant. Like, what they do with the lack
• 39:55
  of music in this movie is brilliant.
• 39:58
  Yeah, it's. Unnerving.
• 40:00
  Yeah. And what's terrifying as well is
• 40:03
  that, you know, this is the the serial killer.
• 40:06
  You know, this is a villain. He's driving a school bus.
• 40:12
  He's driving like a little kids school bus, the kind that picks
• 40:14
  up the little kindergarteners. In the city, right?
• 40:18
  And this is the serial killer. And you're like, wait a minute,
• 40:21
  wait a minute. You're telling me the serial
• 40:24
  killer is the Ajashi that picks up the little elementary
• 40:28
  schoolers and the preschoolers and the school bus?
• 40:31
  Yep. Oh my God, it's diabolical.
• 40:34
  So the moment when you see her get nervous, finally you see her
• 40:39
  get nervous because you're like, where did he go?
• 40:42
  And she turns on her high beams and he's fucking right there in
• 40:48
  front of the car. Oh my God, The way I screamed,
• 40:54
  the scream that I scrumped the first time I saw this movie.
• 40:59
  And again, I was watching at like one 1:30 in the morning.
• 41:04
  I could not be consoled. I was like all over.
• 41:07
  I was tossing sheets. I was tossing pills.
• 41:10
  It was I was a whole wreck. And he starts pounding on her
• 41:15
  car, on the windows, on everything, trying to get to her
• 41:19
  with this hammer, and he just starts hammering at her.
• 41:24
  So pounding on her body, on her cranium, she's screaming she
• 41:28
  can't get out the passenger. Like, well, we're talking about
• 41:30
  violence in this movie. You see him hit like you see the
• 41:34
  hammer hit her and blood go off of it like this movie is
• 41:39
  violent. And he's not stopping.
• 41:42
  He's not. Like he's not.
• 41:43
  There's nothing that's going to stop this man from killing her.
• 41:48
  So and the moment where she's looking up at him directly after
• 41:53
  he's hit her a few times in the head, right?
• 41:55
  And her alarmed eyes just looking at him and he hits her
• 41:59
  one more time to knock her out. Yeah.
• 42:03
  And then you finish the credits as he's dragging her body out
• 42:06
  and you hear the vibrating of the phone and it's, it's done.
• 42:11
  It's done. That's the intro I saw.
• 42:14
  The double pops up on the screen and you're like well fuck.
• 42:18
  Yeah, And like it's snowing. So like immediately, every time
• 42:22
  I see this scene, I'm like, well, people are going to find
• 42:24
  the car and see the blood and obviously.
• 42:28
  There's an arrogance about the crime.
• 42:30
  There's an arrogance, there's an extreme arrogance about the
• 42:33
  killer all the time, the entire movie.
• 42:36
  But also it's like one of those things where he came off to me
• 42:40
  as a killer of like, he's not gonna stop until someone stops
• 42:43
  him, whether that's killing him or arresting him.
• 42:47
  He's not one of those killers that yeah, he just, he wouldn't,
• 42:51
  he wouldn't have stopped like people.
• 42:53
  He had to be stopped. It's not even just like a
• 42:56
  conscious choice of like, he's going to go kill somebody every
• 42:59
  five months. No, he likes doing it and he
• 43:02
  does it well, and he's arrogant enough to leave whatever
• 43:07
  evidence behind because he knows he's gotten away with it so
• 43:10
  long. Yep, Yep.
• 43:11
  It's just just the worst kind of person.
• 43:15
  He's like, almost like a narcissist like.
• 43:17
  Yeah, he's a narcissist. Yeah, so he drags her body out.
• 43:22
  You see him clinically looking at her body later, later in his
• 43:28
  lair, and she's covered. She's completely naked, covered
• 43:32
  in clear plastic, and she's still alive.
• 43:36
  Yep. So barely alive, he's looking at
• 43:39
  her body like, Oh yeah, you're cut.
• 43:41
  You're. He says her body is kind of
• 43:43
  soft, so this should be very easy.
• 43:46
  And you're like, Oh my God, he's going to chop her up.
• 43:49
  Oh my God, again, more you're just more surprised.
• 43:54
  Like what else could he possibly do?
• 43:56
  He's probably already raped her. He's he's taken off all of her
• 43:59
  clothes. He's got this whole setup here.
• 44:03
  He's got all these rusty ass knives that he's going to carve
• 44:06
  her up with. And she weakly says, like,
• 44:09
  please don't kill me, I'm pregnant.
• 44:14
  What I love is she says, please don't kill me.
• 44:16
  And he goes, why? Why not, right?
• 44:18
  What's brutal is, you know, he's whatever reason she's gonna
• 44:23
  give, he's gonna kill her anyway.
• 44:24
  But he takes the time to talk to his victim and ask her why not?
• 44:29
  What do you Why do you think I should not kill you?
• 44:31
  Yeah, and honestly, this is a trope that happens in crime
• 44:35
  stuff all the time, especially if the victim is a woman where
• 44:39
  he'll she'll claim she's pregnant thinking that it will
• 44:44
  enact some sympathy. And when it comes to the killer,
• 44:47
  it never does. It never does unless it's a
• 44:51
  killer. Like there's been some criminal
• 44:53
  mind episodes where like the objective of the person who did
• 44:57
  the kidnapping was not to kill the person, it was to impregnate
• 45:00
  the person. So like, it was like, this is a
• 45:03
  trope that happens when it comes to women victims all the time.
• 45:08
  So like when I first was watching this and I was like,
• 45:11
  she before she said it, I was like, she's going to say she's
• 45:14
  pregnant, isn't she? Because between like, between
• 45:16
  like talking in the car with the special agent, like.
• 45:20
  Talking about, she went. I want to raise our kid out in
• 45:22
  the countryside. I'm like, Oh no, Oh no.
• 45:26
  Oh no, yeah, the foreshadowing was there.
• 45:29
  Yeah. Shit.
• 45:32
  So anyway. And then he just doesn't even
• 45:34
  say anything. He just hacks off her arm or her
• 45:37
  head I think it was. He beheads her.
• 45:39
  At that point, well, I think it was the arm 1st and then it
• 45:42
  eventually became everything. Yeah, he just did all the joints
• 45:47
  basically. And again, without any like he
• 45:50
  would be cleaning a warehouse that he worked at or anything,
• 45:54
  his own house, cleaning the blood out off the floor, putting
• 45:58
  all the water in The Dirty viscera into the sewer system
• 46:03
  that he has down there. And like nothing like he has.
• 46:08
  No, there's nothing behind his eyes when he's doing all this.
• 46:13
  Yeah, in the middle of nowhere. He's like, not near
• 46:15
  civilization. Yeah, and that is our serial
• 46:20
  killer. We got our nice intro with the
• 46:22
  serial killer. When they find her body is the
• 46:27
  next really in your face impactful moment?
• 46:31
  Because I think a few kids find her ear in a black plastic bag
• 46:37
  out in a field. Yeah, triggering a whole police
• 46:41
  investigation, which is a circus.
• 46:43
  It's a chaos mess, like it's like a circus.
• 46:48
  There's media there, there's CSI there, there's cops there that
• 46:52
  look like they don't know what they're doing.
• 46:54
  They shouldn't be there. Like they're just there to look
• 46:57
  important, yeah. And the minute they find
• 47:01
  something, everybody rushes over, which is like the.
• 47:04
  Entirety destroying the crime scene.
• 47:07
  Destroying the crime scene, letting reporters come in,
• 47:09
  letting any random cops trample everywhere.
• 47:12
  You already set up a grid to search this river, and then the
• 47:16
  minute somebody finds one body part, you abandoned anybody
• 47:21
  part. It's not anybody part, but like,
• 47:23
  you abandoned the grid that you built to not compromise
• 47:28
  anything. And the minute they found one
• 47:31
  body part, everybody runs to that thing.
• 47:34
  It's like you're destroyed. Whatever.
• 47:37
  Yeah. For the victims and this
• 47:39
  particular victim, this body, Yeah.
• 47:42
  Was astounding. Yeah.
• 47:44
  Now, I will say she was a daughter of a 30 something year
• 47:49
  detective, probably more than just a detective.
• 47:53
  So everybody probably was like, I we need to help out with this
• 47:56
  thing because he's extremely important.
• 47:59
  But like even him, like granted, he was the father.
• 48:02
  Yes, you are grieving and yeah, you're going to go find your
• 48:07
  daughter who's dead and her body parts are in this field.
• 48:12
  He just, like, abandons everything and just like, runs
• 48:15
  into this mess and like, refuses.
• 48:18
  He has like 5 people trying to hold them back saying you cannot
• 48:22
  go in there. Yeah.
• 48:24
  And it's just like, are you joking?
• 48:28
  Are you kidding me? And then to top it all off,
• 48:31
  because there's so many people in this scene, the person
• 48:35
  carrying the body part right that already probably has been
• 48:39
  compromised trips and the head falls out-of-the-box anyway and
• 48:45
  becomes even more compromised. It I couldn't believe when they
• 48:49
  when they dropped her head and it goes rolling out in front of
• 48:53
  Ebunglin who showed up finally. I was like, this could not be
• 48:58
  more traumatizing for the family members and him like the fiance
• 49:03
  and it couldn't be more of a botched investigation to to get
• 49:10
  justice for her. Like if they wanted to grab any
• 49:13
  evidence, it would be long gone by the time it reached any
• 49:17
  facility that was going to process this.
• 49:20
  And it is an assault on the body.
• 49:24
  I I found it like a a separate assault on the body.
• 49:28
  Exactly. And sadly and sadly, I'm not
• 49:31
  saying this is just Korea in old days through history, this has
• 49:38
  not an uncommon occurrence that has happened that like crime
• 49:42
  scenes weren't taped off, right? People who weren't supposed to
• 49:45
  be there stepped in and caused contamination.
• 49:49
  People dropping thing like it's not uncommon this has happened
• 49:53
  but it's just pure chaos at this crime scene.
• 49:57
  So I mean, not to say that the acting wasn't good, the
• 50:00
  cinematography wasn't great, them shooting at night and all
• 50:04
  of the lights and everything, this crowd of people by the
• 50:07
  river, it's really impressive, all that top notch.
• 50:11
  But yeah, the implications of the scene and the way that it
• 50:16
  hits US maybe as women as maybe it hits US differently, I think.
• 50:22
  Oh yeah. So I was, I was like.
• 50:24
  Oh my God. Like.
• 50:24
  All of them being men. And literally everyone being
• 50:27
  men. Like it was like over 100.
• 50:30
  People there, yeah, at least over 100 people.
• 50:33
  Throngs of men just crowding to take pictures and see that it
• 50:38
  was like very exhibitionist. I, I was like disturbed by this
• 50:43
  as well. If I wasn't disturbed by the
• 50:45
  actual crime, I was disturbed by the crime collection process.
• 50:52
  After that is when you get that scene of the father and the
• 50:56
  fiance and him saying, I'm so sorry to the fiance and I can't
• 51:02
  believe this happened. I've been a cop for 30 years.
• 51:05
  And I was like, what does that have to do?
• 51:08
  Like, so you're immune from anything happening to you and
• 51:13
  your family because you've been a cop for 30 years?
• 51:16
  But that's the entire idea through the movie that
• 51:18
  introduced that idea. That's the thing.
• 51:21
  It was like that was a theme where these men.
• 51:25
  They have a different kind of arrogance.
• 51:27
  Yeah, both of them. Then the serial killer, right?
• 51:31
  It's like I am a secret agent working for the government and
• 51:35
  you're a cop, veteran of the force for 30 years.
• 51:37
  And I can't believe my daughter was killed by a serial killer.
• 51:41
  OK. Like, I guess you should get an
• 51:44
  award. Like the greatest irony of all
• 51:47
  time. Like I it was frustrating
• 51:51
  because the only victim here is the women, the daughter.
• 51:54
  Exactly, Yeah. Who really?
• 51:57
  Like, was she supposed to hold up like her father's police
• 52:00
  badge and be like, no, no, no, wait, my dad's a cop.
• 52:02
  Like you can't do this. Like, I don't know.
• 52:06
  Like it was the way that they were acting on the park bench,
• 52:09
  talking to each other and saying sorry to each other.
• 52:11
  And I was like, why do you, Why are you saying sorry to each
• 52:13
  other? What do you all got to be sorry
• 52:16
  about anyway? It was highly upsetting.
• 52:20
  And on 2nd watch I was more upset.
• 52:23
  We go forward in time, everyone is telling Ibn to take off, work
• 52:28
  to take off, more time to grieve and process.
• 52:30
  And he's like no, I just need two weeks.
• 52:32
  The two weeks in question are the rest of the movie.
• 52:35
  I thought that was funny. I was like, yeah, both times.
• 52:39
  I'm like, Yep, I just only need two weeks.
• 52:40
  I'm like I. Just need two weeks right?
• 52:43
  OK, gave himself a time timeline here. 2 weeks to find out the
• 52:48
  killer, track down the killer and fuck him up badly.
• 52:53
  And at this point he doesn't even know anything about this
• 52:57
  dude other than he killed my fiance.
• 53:01
  Like doesn't know anything. And yet then you have a secret
• 53:06
  agent who has all the resources in the world to track this dude
• 53:10
  down. That is the start of this is not
• 53:13
  a cat and mouse even playing field thing like at all.
• 53:20
  Including you have a father-in-law that's a cop for
• 53:24
  30 plus years who probably has connections in politics.
• 53:28
  Everything you could possibly think of like that is what the
• 53:30
  serial killer is up against. There's no way that's a level
• 53:33
  playing field. The the dad gives him four guys.
• 53:37
  He's like, these are the top suspects.
• 53:39
  They've committed crimes like this before.
• 53:41
  He goes systematically through like 2 guys.
• 53:44
  I kind of thought that was a little bit funny how he goes
• 53:48
  through the 1st 2 guys, he blows through them.
• 53:50
  Right. I thought he would go through
• 53:52
  all three of the other guys before he got to our no.
• 53:56
  But he the real serial killer is the.
• 53:57
  Third guy he never even has to go through the 4th guy but the I
• 54:03
  think the guy he like crushes his balls or something after
• 54:06
  he's he. Catches.
• 54:08
  All these people basically were arrested for sexual crimes.
• 54:11
  Sexual crimes and murder. Yeah, sexual crimes and murder.
• 54:14
  So he took his revenge in terms of the sexual part because he
• 54:19
  probably knows by now that his fiance was not only murdered and
• 54:25
  cut up, but also sexually assaulted, yes as well.
• 54:30
  So he brutalizes them. It's actually pretty satisfying
• 54:35
  to see because once the first, the first guy especially, you
• 54:39
  don't really see what happens to the second guy that much.
• 54:41
  He runs him over and then he like, but anyway, the first guy,
• 54:44
  he catches him macerating to porn, cuts off his porn
• 54:48
  connection and then he like like starts beating on him and he's
• 54:54
  questioning him. Like, do you recognize this?
• 54:56
  And like has photos of the crime scene, right.
• 54:59
  And he's like, no, like I don't know anything about that.
• 55:03
  It's kind of funny. Then he beats he takes a wrench
• 55:07
  and beats his balls. Yep.
• 55:09
  And I thought, wow, I wonder how many women who have been
• 55:14
  sexually assaulted would love to do that.
• 55:15
  But they give it to this, to Ebun to do right.
• 55:20
  And what's crazy is that when that guy is in the hospital,
• 55:23
  they're like, why did he turn himself in?
• 55:25
  He was guilty of like the rape of some other person, the murder
• 55:28
  of some other lady that they had found in the river.
• 55:31
  Like it wasn't the right guy, but he had done other shit that
• 55:34
  he was guilty of. So he turned himself in for the
• 55:37
  other shit. Mainly because he wanted to get
• 55:39
  away from the guy. Yeah, he wanted to get away
• 55:41
  from. He wanted so he was like, OK,
• 55:42
  jail is more safe than out here I guess.
• 55:44
  Yes to out here with Eva again. So then we get to EB again,
• 55:50
  finds the layer of our guy. Yep, which was honestly when I
• 55:56
  first watched that it was surprising where it was located
• 55:59
  'cause I didn't think it was be attached to the parents house.
• 56:03
  I thought it'd be like, I didn't think it would be on the parents
• 56:07
  property honestly. But that also plays in the fact
• 56:10
  that this killer was very arrogant because you never see
• 56:14
  the outside of where this layer is until EBN Young finds it.
• 56:18
  So I assumed it was like in underground somewhere, like in a
• 56:22
  cave, because he was in the low, like he was in the middle of
• 56:27
  nowhere countryside. There could likely be a cave out
• 56:29
  there, you know, So it's like to have him.
• 56:33
  You gave him too much credit. I know I did, but it's just like
• 56:37
  the fact of like it just shows more more how arrogant this dude
• 56:41
  is between keeping all of his trophies in one place, not even
• 56:47
  hidden and as well as like literally just have to open his
• 56:50
  closet door and that's his entrance to the layer, like all
• 56:55
  within, I don't know, 15 feet of his family.
• 57:00
  Rude. Yeah.
• 57:01
  So rude. Yeah.
• 57:03
  So he finds the ring, his fiance's ring, and all bets are
• 57:08
  off. Now he's got to track this guy
• 57:11
  down. I think he inserts the tracker,
• 57:15
  makes him eat the tracker while he's unconscious because he
• 57:18
  tracked him down to him about to assault another victim.
• 57:23
  Well, that's when he does it. In the greenhouse is when he
• 57:26
  puts. The he like knocks him
• 57:27
  unconscious and makes him swallow the the tracker, right.
• 57:32
  And again, here's where I was like, oh, he could just turn him
• 57:34
  in now. He could just do something.
• 57:37
  He could just beat him to death now.
• 57:39
  No, no, no. This is when the cat and mouse
• 57:42
  starts. Really not, but I mean it.
• 57:45
  It does. But like it's not a like a pure
• 57:47
  cat and mouse. It's just a cat playing with his
• 57:49
  food. OK, but you know, you know what
• 57:51
  I'm saying like. But yeah, but it also, it's like
• 57:54
  if he had killed the guy there or turned him in, whatever he
• 57:58
  was going to do, this is like obvious to state.
• 58:02
  None of the rest of the movie would have happened.
• 58:04
  I know. Which means the four or five
• 58:07
  other people that ended up dying after the scene or being
• 58:10
  assaulted after the scene would never have happened.
• 58:14
  So it's like it just goes on to the point of like, this dude
• 58:18
  doesn't care. Like is not exacting this
• 58:21
  revenge in terms of his fiancee, let alone the rest of the
• 58:26
  victims Because yeah, this serial killer goes on insulting
• 58:30
  women for three more times, Two more times after.
• 58:34
  This, yeah. Yeah.
• 58:37
  What was so was there a time that you were like, I can't
• 58:41
  believe they did this? I would have cut this out.
• 58:45
  The bathroom scene, like I get why it needed to happen but like
• 58:50
  I didn't understand why they needed to be violent after that.
• 58:54
  Like why beat up the store attendant and the pharmacists?
• 58:59
  Like that part of it, like the I didn't understand that.
• 59:02
  Like I understood why it needed to happen.
• 59:04
  He needed to find the tracker. But like, I think that scene
• 59:07
  could have played out very differently than how it did.
• 59:13
  Was was that the time when he almost like sexually assaults
• 59:18
  the nurse or? Was that No, that was the
• 59:20
  second. So he went into the hospital as
• 59:23
  to get patched up and that's when he did the nurse and then
• 59:27
  that's when he be on took his Achilles heel out.
• 59:31
  Yes, Oh God. But then and then he let him go
• 59:36
  again after that. So this dude made this nurse do
• 59:40
  a sexual act on him, let him go again after that.
• 59:45
  And then he realized because this guy kept finding him.
• 59:49
  So then we had the wooden house. Happened with the guy who ate
• 59:52
  the flesh. Well, OK, so let's pause here
• 59:55
  because we have to talk about the cannibal that's in this
• 59:59
  movie. That I find it hilarious what?
• 1:00:02
  The one thing I found funny is like this dude just had a string
• 1:00:06
  of killers that he knew. Found.
• 1:00:09
  And he found and then he let you.
• 1:00:11
  Then he led the special Asian dude to them.
• 1:00:14
  So this special Asian dude just haunted down all these serial
• 1:00:18
  killers the entire movie even though it wasn't like he was
• 1:00:20
  only hunting 1. But you're right, he was
• 1:00:23
  tracking 1 serial killer and it led him to TE Moussong who ended
• 1:00:29
  up being a cannibal and was eating raw human flesh out here
• 1:00:35
  in the woods with his live in girlfriend.
• 1:00:39
  And his victims in the basement. Victims in the basement.
• 1:00:42
  And this is, I'm sorry, I have crazy eyes right now.
• 1:00:45
  Like this is the part of the movie where I was like, whoa, I
• 1:00:47
  thought this was crazy. This just went into another
• 1:00:50
  stratosphere because honestly didn't expect that.
• 1:00:54
  Did not expect that, No. And that's kind of when you get
• 1:00:58
  the the the serial killer gets the idea that he's being tracked
• 1:01:01
  somehow because the cannibal guy explains.
• 1:01:05
  I was like, no, dude, this dude, you're his prey.
• 1:01:08
  Like, he is coming after you. He is not letting go.
• 1:01:12
  You are arrogant and you are confident in this.
• 1:01:14
  I'm telling you right now, you are going to lose, like, no
• 1:01:17
  matter what. Yeah, And I find it hilarious.
• 1:01:22
  Like he said, he said, He said he was laughing like he was
• 1:01:26
  like, I'm laughing because this is hilarious.
• 1:01:30
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:01:30
  Tamusung. Oh my God, Like the whole thing,
• 1:01:33
  honestly, if you think this movie stops at a certain point
• 1:01:37
  and it can't get any worse, it just keeps blowing past the stop
• 1:01:41
  signs. And the Tamusung character, the
• 1:01:45
  whole takedown of that cannibalism operation that was
• 1:01:49
  happening in the woods. Again, EBO Gun doesn't do this
• 1:01:53
  out of like, any moral obligation to save the victims
• 1:01:59
  that are in there. Or yeah, I should definitely be
• 1:02:03
  taking out a cannibal hiding in the woods.
• 1:02:08
  No, he's doing this to get to his quarry, to get to
• 1:02:13
  Chimanzeeks. Like one of my favorite scenes
• 1:02:16
  was right before this, when he before he got to the cannibal's
• 1:02:19
  house was when he was in that cab.
• 1:02:22
  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which again, how does he keep
• 1:02:25
  meeting all of these crazy people out here?
• 1:02:28
  That killing. People 2 killers like a guy in a
• 1:02:31
  two guys, one guy drives a cab, picks up unknowing visitors or
• 1:02:36
  like patrons and there's a guy in the back and they two team
• 1:02:39
  them and of course they pick up this dude thinking he's easy
• 1:02:42
  prey because he's already injured.
• 1:02:44
  The reason why I like this scene though is how they shot it
• 1:02:48
  because it's just a camera spinning around the car the
• 1:02:53
  entire time to show. Cause eventually the car gets in
• 1:02:56
  an accident because literally the serial killer guy just goes
• 1:02:59
  ham on both of them and grabs a knife out of his sleeve and just
• 1:03:03
  goes just takes him out like stabbing everywhere.
• 1:03:08
  And it's just the camera going around and around and around and
• 1:03:12
  eventually they crash into a tree and then he ends up at a
• 1:03:14
  cannibal's house. That's the reason why I like the
• 1:03:17
  scene is just the camera work, not necessarily him killing the
• 1:03:20
  dude. Guys, I just can't believe we're
• 1:03:24
  talking. It sounds like we're crazy
• 1:03:26
  people, but the chain of events is He almost rapes this teenager
• 1:03:29
  in a greenhouse. EB Young Gun takes him out,
• 1:03:33
  knocks him unconscious and inserts the tracker.
• 1:03:37
  Then he gets up, meets the two serial killer killers that are
• 1:03:41
  in the taxi running this scam. No, no, he goes to the pharmacy
• 1:03:45
  1st. Oh, that's when he goes.
• 1:03:47
  He goes to the hospital first 'cause he tries to get his
• 1:03:50
  injuries assessed and then he assaults the nurse and then the
• 1:03:55
  special agent guy shows up again.
• 1:03:58
  He's like what the fuck are you doing here?
• 1:04:00
  Like what the hell? And then he patches him up again
• 1:04:05
  and leaves him unconscious in the car to again chase him.
• 1:04:10
  And so then the guy goes and picks up this taxi who he kills
• 1:04:14
  again. And then he steals like their
• 1:04:18
  clothes and whatever to get out of his clothes.
• 1:04:20
  And then he walks or drives the taxi to the cannibals house and
• 1:04:26
  a special Asian guy shows up again and he's like what the
• 1:04:29
  hell, Like what the heck. Anyways, so we'll just skip to
• 1:04:36
  the end of the movie where it's the jig is up.
• 1:04:40
  Like the serial killer knows that he's being tracked.
• 1:04:45
  He shits the tracker out and plants it on somebody else.
• 1:04:49
  Right. He's free to go.
• 1:04:51
  He figures out why, which victim this guy is mad about.
• 1:04:58
  Yeah. And he goes to the 30 year
• 1:05:00
  veteran chief's house, the the first victim, the fiance's
• 1:05:04
  father, he goes to that house. And this is when I was like, OK,
• 1:05:09
  no, no, no, no, no, no, 'cause this whole cat and mouse, like
• 1:05:14
  he had the opportunity, even when he had the opportunity to
• 1:05:16
  take him down and kill him or torture him so many times,
• 1:05:20
  right? Yeah.
• 1:05:22
  And instead, he let this guy go. And now he's terrorizing
• 1:05:25
  everybody around him and innocent people that had nothing
• 1:05:30
  to do with the fiance or anything at all.
• 1:05:34
  And he goes to the fiance's house and kills the younger
• 1:05:39
  sister and almost puts the father in a body bag.
• 1:05:43
  Yeah, yeah. Not only does he kill the
• 1:05:45
  younger sister, he kidnaps the younger sister 1st and kills her
• 1:05:50
  later. So then the family has to deal
• 1:05:52
  with the fact that she might have been alive for a period of
• 1:05:56
  time and then find her later. And it's like, this is what
• 1:05:59
  we're talking about with the bench conversation is like dude,
• 1:06:03
  what did you think was going to happen after you kept letting
• 1:06:06
  him go? He was going to get his revenge
• 1:06:09
  somehow. Right, he thought he could
• 1:06:11
  control the. Situation exactly one of my
• 1:06:14
  favorite scenes too in this movie is the special Asian dude
• 1:06:18
  showing up at the house and like plowing through the cops to get
• 1:06:21
  to the front door. I'm like, dude, don't act, don't
• 1:06:26
  act like all remorseful now. Like don't act sad now.
• 1:06:31
  Like you're going to be grieving if you find out your
• 1:06:34
  father-in-law soon to be father-in-law was dead in the
• 1:06:37
  kitchen. Like he took out like 15 cops
• 1:06:41
  trying to get to this front door.
• 1:06:43
  And it's just like, and no one knew what he was, who he was.
• 1:06:46
  Like the cops he was plowing through had no idea who this who
• 1:06:48
  he was. It wasn't until he got to the
• 1:06:50
  front door that he actually met a cop that knew who he was.
• 1:06:55
  But it's just like, I just, I couldn't feel you can't or you
• 1:06:59
  can't feel sympathy for this. I find it really hard to feel
• 1:07:03
  sympathy for this secret agent at a point in this movie because
• 1:07:09
  half of the movie was caused due to him being arrogant that
• 1:07:13
  nothing would happen to him and his family when he started on
• 1:07:17
  this revenge path. And then you get to this scene
• 1:07:20
  where the like his actions met consequences and I could not
• 1:07:26
  feel sympathy for the guy. I was like, dude, you let this
• 1:07:30
  dude go three times and tortured him and did all this stuff.
• 1:07:36
  This happened because of that. Like if you didn't kill him the
• 1:07:40
  first time or lock him up somewhere and I don't know, slow
• 1:07:44
  torture him like you should have, this wouldn't have
• 1:07:48
  happened. And the same with the cop guy.
• 1:07:50
  Like the cop guy, like this the sister was telling them stop
• 1:07:55
  this. Like this is not going to bring
• 1:07:57
  her back. This is not going to do
• 1:07:58
  anything. Sanctioned by the dad.
• 1:08:01
  Yeah, the dad helped out, Yeah. And now he has to live with the
• 1:08:04
  consequences that his other daughter also died, he lost
• 1:08:08
  because of. His daughters to the same serial
• 1:08:11
  killer exactly for being a shithead.
• 1:08:14
  Yeah, lucky with the sister we didn't see anything, but it
• 1:08:17
  wasn't as brutal as like. But that wasn't the point.
• 1:08:21
  No, that wasn't the point. That wasn't the point.
• 1:08:26
  She was still taken and kidnapped and Oh my God, it was
• 1:08:30
  this whole fucking thing. So the ending again, this is
• 1:08:34
  like a culmination of all of the terrible, no good dirty acts
• 1:08:41
  that each of them has done has culminated into even when sets
• 1:08:45
  up this saw like contraption. Well, First off, another one of
• 1:08:50
  my favorite scenes is when. Oh yeah, sure, the serial
• 1:08:54
  killer. Was in the middle of the street
• 1:08:56
  because eventually he killed his sister.
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  Oh, the cops. The cops.
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  Being so incompetent. Yeah, which is a Tropic crime
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  stuff, but the sister so the sister gets killed and the
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  serial killer basically is like OK, I basically exacted my
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  revenge. I'm ready to turn myself in,
• 1:09:16
  quote UN quote, turn myself in. He's covered head and toe in
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  blood. Like, just covered.
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  Yeah, in a cop car. Like he drove a cop car to the
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  middle of the street, a busy St. and is standing there waving a
• 1:09:30
  knife waiting for the cops to come and arrest him.
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  And I'm the entire time I'm like, OK, dude, you just killed
• 1:09:39
  this dude's sister-in-law and brutally beat his father-in-law.
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  Why do you not think this dude is still going to hunt you down?
• 1:09:48
  Like he also was extremely arrogant the entire movie, but
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  he also was egging him on at this point.
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  Yes. And so one of my favorite scenes
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  is this secret agent just like opening his driver side door,
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  putting, putting it into a wall. So the drop the door comes off
• 1:10:07
  just driving at this man in the street, makes AUE, grabs the
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  guy, pulls him on his lap and drives away with his feet
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  hanging out the door. And the cops are like, what the
• 1:10:19
  heck just happened? Oh my God.
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  And yeah, the cops were extremely slow.
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  Like they didn't want to move in for some reason.
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  I don't really know what happened.
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  Because Oh my God, a knife. Oh my God.
• 1:10:33
  A serial killer waving a knife. Yeah, babes.
• 1:10:38
  Yeah, so the secret Asian guy kidnaps a dude and basically the
• 1:10:43
  leads to the very last standoff at the end of the movie where he
• 1:10:48
  slowly tortures the man. Yeah, he puts him in this giant
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  saw like contraption that he like puts something in his mouth
• 1:10:58
  so that if he lets it go it'll guillotine his head off.
• 1:11:02
  Yeah, which was his own contraption.
• 1:11:04
  The serial killer built it. He took him back to his own lair
• 1:11:06
  and put him in his own contraption, and then he tied.
• 1:11:11
  So we put one end of this rope in the dude's mouth.
• 1:11:15
  He tied the other end to the door.
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  Called his family up. Called his family up saying like
• 1:11:20
  hey want to come over for dinner or something.
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  I can't remember what he said. And apparently, the only sense
• 1:11:27
  of shame that the serial killer had was toward his family.
• 1:11:31
  Yeah. Who was?
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  I guess he was non contact. With Right, Yeah, 'cause the
• 1:11:37
  grandfather's grandparents were raising his son, apparently,
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  yes. So he was not.
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  He was. It was like finally getting him
• 1:11:46
  where it hurt. Yeah.
• 1:11:49
  And of course, the serial killer, when his family shows
• 1:11:51
  up, the serial killer who's stuck in this contraption, he's
• 1:11:54
  screaming for his family to leave as best as he can with
• 1:11:57
  that like gag thing that he has in his mouth that's he's holding
• 1:12:00
  on to for dear life, biting down on so that he doesn't get
• 1:12:03
  guillotine to death. Yeah, because if they open the
• 1:12:06
  door, it will release the guillotine and chop his head
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  off. And he can't get away because
• 1:12:12
  he's tied out. Like he can't run, he can't get
• 1:12:15
  out. He cannot escape.
• 1:12:17
  There's no escaping this. The family does manage to open
• 1:12:20
  the door and that triggers the guillotine and his son and his
• 1:12:26
  parents witness him get decapitated by his own machine
• 1:12:32
  contraption in his lair. Yeah, while the secret agent is
• 1:12:37
  just walking down the street laughing and crying and that's
• 1:12:41
  the end of the movie. And he like left the the sound
• 1:12:45
  thing. He left the tracker in the room
• 1:12:50
  so he could hear everything this dude was saying and pleading for
• 1:12:55
  his family to not open the door and then hear the guillotine
• 1:12:58
  like hit his neck and everything.
• 1:13:01
  And the reaction afterwards, like he heard everything as he
• 1:13:04
  walked down the street. Yeah, so it was reprehensible
• 1:13:08
  and startling. I think the movie is supposed to
• 1:13:13
  leave you extremely rattled, but it is open to interpretation.
• 1:13:20
  The title, what does it mean? Who is the devil?
• 1:13:24
  What does the end scene mean to you?
• 1:13:26
  What does the end scene mean to you?
• 1:13:28
  It is all open to interpretation.
• 1:13:30
  There are no wrong answers. It will leave you feeling very
• 1:13:33
  icky. Obviously there was trouble
• 1:13:36
  getting this even to screen because of how gory and violent
• 1:13:41
  it is. Yeah.
• 1:13:43
  But that is the end of the movie, and I don't obviously to
• 1:13:46
  have no notes. I've just been flying by the sea
• 1:13:47
  of my pants here. Caitlin, is there anything else
• 1:13:50
  you'd like to say about I Saw the Devil.
• 1:13:52
  I did feel a little bit of Satan in this movie.
• 1:13:55
  It was so, so much. There is so much in this.
• 1:14:01
  Movie, yeah, it's brutal. And I mean, like, as I was
• 1:14:05
  saying, there are a couple of scenes in this movie I even
• 1:14:08
  cringed at like, the Achilles tendon cutting in the Doctor's
• 1:14:12
  office. I was like, oh, OK.
• 1:14:14
  And then in the last scene, the screwdriver to the cheek, I was
• 1:14:20
  not expecting that. So when that happened, I was
• 1:14:22
  like, oh, my God. Because you see it, You see it.
• 1:14:26
  Those are like the two scenes that like, I really cringed at
• 1:14:30
  because I was like, OK, I mean, they made it believable.
• 1:14:34
  Whatever they did, those special effects, they made it believable
• 1:14:37
  and they gross. Yeah, it was.
• 1:14:41
  It was bad. It was really bad.
• 1:14:44
  So yeah, this is a brutal movie. It's a lot of pain, a lot of
• 1:14:49
  mania, a lot of obsession, and there's nothing really simple
• 1:14:53
  about it. Yeah.
• 1:14:54
  But one of the things like I found really ironic, which I
• 1:14:59
  would like your take on is so at one point when the sister was
• 1:15:03
  like trying to convince him to not do it anymore and she was on
• 1:15:06
  the phone and she said the line revenge is for the movies and
• 1:15:13
  then she ends up being part of a revenge plot.
• 1:15:15
  I just found that sad. I found that really sad because.
• 1:15:19
  She also says that none of this will bring her sister back.
• 1:15:22
  Yeah, yeah. Which is a classic line that you
• 1:15:25
  hear in a lot of. Exactly.
• 1:15:27
  Crime movies especially, or where something happens to
• 1:15:30
  somebody and then someone's on a vengeance kick, it is very sad.
• 1:15:35
  I don't think I expected her to be part of anything.
• 1:15:41
  No, absolutely no, Not at all. She had such a small role and I
• 1:15:46
  don't think she was part of the plan.
• 1:15:49
  Like she came home during the. She just happened there.
• 1:15:53
  She just happened to walk in there.
• 1:15:55
  Yeah, yeah. That just goes to show the
• 1:15:57
  impulsive nature of the serial killer and the cruel twist of
• 1:16:05
  fate, Destiny, Inyon, whatever you want to call it in this
• 1:16:09
  movie where of course the other female in the family gets fucked
• 1:16:15
  over. Right.
• 1:16:17
  I mean, if there was no sense of catharsis, there was no peace at
• 1:16:21
  the end of this movie. None of this brought any healing
• 1:16:26
  at all to any. Character whatsoever.
• 1:16:29
  Well, even the other victims too.
• 1:16:31
  It's like these. When he opened the trophy boxes
• 1:16:36
  and you saw how many people, how many trophies was in that, it's
• 1:16:41
  like, OK, you killed this guy in the middle of nowhere.
• 1:16:46
  His family has no idea who did it, has no idea.
• 1:16:51
  Like he was this type of person. So he they might find out after
• 1:16:55
  finding him, but it's like you're not even getting justice
• 1:17:00
  or providing that closure for any of the other victims
• 1:17:04
  families who might not even know where their daughter is.
• 1:17:11
  Like it's just or even the ones who were still alive, like the
• 1:17:15
  nurse and the student. That's what I was, yeah.
• 1:17:18
  Didn't end up dead and so they have to deal with that for the
• 1:17:23
  rest of their life. With that trauma and even the
• 1:17:26
  stigma of, of because in Korea there's a horrible stigma, I
• 1:17:29
  mean, everywhere, I would say, of sexual assault victims.
• 1:17:33
  And it's so difficult for people to speak up about their
• 1:17:38
  experiences and get justice. And not to mention the justice
• 1:17:42
  system for sexual assault and rape victims in Korea being so
• 1:17:46
  egregious and the punishments being so LAX and the burden of
• 1:17:51
  proof being so high. It is unbelievable how the males
• 1:17:58
  in the movie just run through every female like nothing.
• 1:18:03
  Exactly. Yeah.
• 1:18:04
  And that's the ironic thing. Like so from a coming from a
• 1:18:08
  serial killer, you expect that because he doesn't see them as
• 1:18:14
  human. He sees them as property.
• 1:18:17
  He sees them as things, as meat. Like that is the perspective you
• 1:18:21
  expect from him. You don't expect it from the
• 1:18:26
  agent or the father until it happens.
• 1:18:29
  And then you're like, OK, who's the better person here in this
• 1:18:33
  movie? Right, there are no Is the hero
• 1:18:38
  a real hero? Yeah, there's no good people in
• 1:18:40
  this movie. No, no, it's just the whole of
• 1:18:45
  the movie, the act of the vengeance and the the whole
• 1:18:48
  revenge. It just tarnishes Ebengen's
• 1:18:51
  character irrevocably. Yeah.
• 1:18:53
  How scary do you think this movie is?
• 1:18:56
  It's shocking. I mean, it is scary other than,
• 1:18:59
  I mean, there was not that many jump scares other than the first
• 1:19:02
  one, Yeah, of her turning on the high beams and he's right there.
• 1:19:06
  Yeah. There's not traditional jump
• 1:19:09
  scares in the movie, but I think the content of it.
• 1:19:12
  Is I think it's scary. It's deemed scary because it
• 1:19:17
  could happen in real life, right?
• 1:19:20
  Like it, it could happen. Like something like this could
• 1:19:23
  happen. And I think that's what makes it
• 1:19:26
  scary to some people. Serial killers in general.
• 1:19:29
  That's what is scary. To people, yeah, there's an
• 1:19:33
  element of this is based on a true crime.
• 1:19:37
  Yeah. It is well documented,
• 1:19:40
  especially if you start down the rabbit hole of Korean true
• 1:19:45
  crime. Well documented how the police
• 1:19:49
  fuck up every single investigation.
• 1:19:51
  Yeah. So this movie can transcend
• 1:19:56
  torture porn and can transcend just being a grizzly horror
• 1:20:00
  movie. And that's why I think it's
• 1:20:03
  difficult to just sleep well at night after watching it because
• 1:20:08
  there's an element of truth to it, right?
• 1:20:11
  And there's an element of men just don't like, they fucking
• 1:20:17
  hate women like they're, of course.
• 1:20:20
  The undercurrent of misogyny in the movie?
• 1:20:24
  Deeply unsettling. And it's real, right?
• 1:20:26
  Yeah. In the real world.
• 1:20:28
  In the real world, yeah. So a lot of elements of it will
• 1:20:34
  not let you sleep well at night. No, not at all, and will make
• 1:20:38
  you very uncomfortable when you're actually watching the
• 1:20:40
  movie. Yeah.
• 1:20:41
  Yes, so happy Halloween everybody.
• 1:20:45
  And we with that, we are basically done with spooky
• 1:20:51
  season 2024. Oh God.
• 1:20:55
  So thank you so much for going on this really scary journey
• 1:21:00
  with me. Caitlin, where can people find
• 1:21:03
  you online in case they haven't listened to all the other
• 1:21:05
  episodes with you on them? Well thank you for doing movie
• 1:21:09
  stuff. I really want to do more movies
• 1:21:11
  on my channel too because I feel like movies don't get the
• 1:21:15
  attention that they deserve. I really like listening to your
• 1:21:19
  other movie like reviews this season.
• 1:21:22
  So you can find me on Instagram TikTok under no sleep for dramas
• 1:21:28
  #4 dramas. And then I also have a podcast
• 1:21:31
  called the No Sleep Number 4 dramas podcast, which you can
• 1:21:35
  find on Spotify and Apple and Instagram.
• 1:21:38
  I'm on Instagram under that same name if I didn't say.
• 1:21:42
  Yes, please reach out to us if you want to talk further about
• 1:21:44
  crime or a thriller or anything about that.
• 1:21:49
  Caitlin is your go to for that, please.
• 1:21:53
  And also, if you want to talk more about I saw the Devil,
• 1:21:56
  we'll we'll reluctantly talk more about this movie with you,
• 1:22:00
  but that's it. That's been our show.
• 1:22:04
  I'm Jessica and this has been the Tabaki Rambles podcast.
• 1:22:41
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