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Speaker 5: Today, we're gonna be fair imbalanced, as fair and balanced
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Speaker 5: as you've ever heard before, because we're reviewing a documentary
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Speaker 5: called Outfoxed. The whole name is Outfoxed, Rupert Murdoch's War
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Speaker 5: on Journalism from two thousand and four. This is by
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Speaker 5: Robert Greenwald, and the tagline is that it's a documentary
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Speaker 5: that reports on the conservative bias of Rupert murdoch owned
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Speaker 5: Fox News Channel, which promotes itself as fair and balanced
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Speaker 5: and they don't like that.
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Speaker 4: Some people say that it is fair and balanced, but.
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Speaker 5: In the chorus, this one is pretty straightforward. It's a
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Speaker 5: bud of people complaining about Fox News Channel existing. And
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Speaker 5: let me just give some background on this. So this
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Speaker 5: came out in two thousand and four. I think at
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Speaker 5: this point I had originally seen loose change in Zeitgeist
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Speaker 5: and all of the og early two thousands that we've
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Speaker 5: already seen, right, and I was starved for more. So
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Speaker 5: I'm just like downloading anything that gets uploaded to like
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Speaker 5: a conspiracy themes channel at this point, and out Fox
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Speaker 5: made the rounds and it starts getting passed around. And
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Speaker 5: I remember watching it for the very first time in
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Speaker 5: two thousand and four, and it kind of embarrassingly, but
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Speaker 5: it was like, WHOA, this is blowing my mind. I
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Speaker 5: didn't know that media was so biased, you know. And
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Speaker 5: I went and I showed it to my friends, and
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Speaker 5: I tried to show it for like my friend's parents
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Speaker 5: that I had grown up with, because I knew that,
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Speaker 5: like they watched a lot of Fox News. And I
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Speaker 5: really thought I was like unveiling some big mystery that
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Speaker 5: nobody really knew before. And I guess in retrospect, it's
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Speaker 5: just like, I guess you just are hoosed to know
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Speaker 5: this by default, so it breaks it all down. The
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Speaker 5: whole premise is that this documentary was put together right
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Speaker 5: before the Bush Carry election, So also in retrospect, it
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Speaker 5: feels like it was kind of part of the Carry
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Speaker 5: campaign in a little bit, right, So they're really honing
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Speaker 5: in on how Bush treatment gets in the media, and
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Speaker 5: how Carrie treatment gets and how the Democrat versus Republican
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Speaker 5: get different you know treatment. But again, this solely focuses
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Speaker 5: on the Fox News channel. So you're a big fan
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Speaker 5: of Fox right, a long time.
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Speaker 1: Supporter, longtime supporter, longtime contributor, you could go to www
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Speaker 1: dot Fox dot com slash uncle Sean.
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Speaker 4: I doubt that, but I never saw this.
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Speaker 1: But when I started watching it, I got this is
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Speaker 1: my first time, but I got in nostalogia. I was like,
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Speaker 1: see because it brought back my early super hate. If
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Speaker 1: not that I like Fox now, but at that time
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Speaker 1: I was like, oh fuck. Like when Fox came on,
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Speaker 1: I was young and pissed right Like, I was like
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Speaker 1: I would have been considered a liberal right Like, I
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Speaker 1: was like, oh, that's shn Sean Hannity, which I still
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Speaker 1: don't like to this day, but for different reasons, right,
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Speaker 1: and the war mongering and fear mongering and the graphics.
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Speaker 1: But why I will say, watching it in twenty twenty six,
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Speaker 1: the one thing that kept going through my mind was like, oh,
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Speaker 1: CNN doesn't do that.
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Speaker 5: I had to put a pin in that early just
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Speaker 5: because that was occupying everything. So we'll get to that
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Speaker 5: when we start wrapping this. The review up on this one,
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Speaker 5: but it opens on an analogy to the Godfather movies,
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Speaker 5: and they're talking about how when the Godfather they're cutting
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Speaker 5: up this cake with like the island of Cuba on it,
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Speaker 5: and it's like, you know, here, you're gonna get this
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Speaker 5: part of the island and you'll get you'll get the prostitutes,
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Speaker 5: and you'll get the drugs, you'll get the gambling. And
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Speaker 5: they're saying that that's how media companies work in the US,
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Speaker 5: and I'm on board, right, I'm like, hell, yeah, that's
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Speaker 5: exactly how the media companies work. But I think that's
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Speaker 5: the last time we hear a vague reference to media
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Speaker 5: companies in general, and from that point forward, I'm like,
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Speaker 5: literally a minute into the documentary, it's all about Fox
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Speaker 5: News and Rupert Murdoch, and none of it's about media
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Speaker 5: companies in general. So it does a whole background on
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Speaker 5: Rupert Murdoch. I'm not going to give every single stat
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Speaker 5: that they kind of pull up on the screen, but
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Speaker 5: there's some interesting one. So mentions how nineteen fifty four
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Speaker 5: Rupert Murdoch inherits his first newspaper, and they emphasize the
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Speaker 5: words inherit and bought in that like he's not making
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Speaker 5: anything new, he's not creating anything. Fifty four inherited newspaper,
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Speaker 5: fifty six, bought his first magazine, fifty eight, bought a
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Speaker 5: TV station, nineteen sixty, bought a record label, sixty two,
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Speaker 5: got his second TV station, seventy two, had a politician elected,
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Speaker 5: seventy nine, bought an airline, eighty one, bought a publishing
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Speaker 5: house and then an eighty three. He buys his first
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Speaker 5: cable channel, and then it's when this documentary is made
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Speaker 5: two thousand and four. At this point he's got nine
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Speaker 5: TV stations, one hundred channels, one hundred and seventy five newspapers,
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Speaker 5: forty book imprints, forty TV stations, at his own movie studio.
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Speaker 5: So it's just showing how this one person in particular.
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Speaker 5: And they do make one interesting point early on, and
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Speaker 5: that's the and it's a little bit of like a
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Speaker 5: cop out, but they're like, yeah, you know, most of
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Speaker 5: these media companies, it's like a board of people, and
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Speaker 5: the board might have an ideology, but that's not the
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Speaker 5: same thing as when it is one person, like one
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Speaker 5: individual human being, and they have their own focused ideology.
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Speaker 5: It's a little different just because now it's like one
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Speaker 5: guy gets to get all his thoughts and beliefs out
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Speaker 5: in the world using all of these resources, and it's
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Speaker 5: not even like there's a board there to be like, well,
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Speaker 5: I don't agree with you on this, like that that
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Speaker 5: part doesn't exist to me. I don't know if I
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Speaker 5: care about that minute difference of twelve people are ruling
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Speaker 5: the world versus one person's ruling the world, because ultimately
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Speaker 5: it's the same sort of math that works out. But
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Speaker 5: I think it's an interesting note.
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Speaker 1: Nonetheless, it'd be easier to take over one, I would
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Speaker 1: think than twelve, like right, like twel would be a
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Speaker 1: little bit more difficult, but that's just numbers. Also, early on,
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Speaker 1: they kind of like paint the picture. It's not the
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Speaker 1: other media company's fault. Like Fox started this and they
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Speaker 1: show that you can make money, so everybody copied them,
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Speaker 1: Like so they cop out right away. Like it's like
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Speaker 1: when they were hearing me say what about like and
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Speaker 1: it's like, right when I was saying that, they're like, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: but bro, like Fox started doing this with the graphics
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Speaker 1: and like the fear mongering, so we had to, like
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Speaker 1: the other media's had to bro like, it's not our fault,
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Speaker 1: it's Fox.
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Speaker 5: Like.
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Speaker 1: I thought that was an interesting point that they made
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Speaker 1: kind of early that to blame Fox for all this
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Speaker 1: like rage media, right, like this fear mongering media, and
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Speaker 1: you're like, well, this has been a thing for a
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Speaker 1: long time.
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Speaker 4: They just found a modern version of it.
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Speaker 5: I think we usually me and you do an okay
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Speaker 5: job at maybe hiding our contempt for a bad documentary
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Speaker 5: early on, and we'll save it until we get closer
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Speaker 5: to the end so you don't kind of spoil it.
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Speaker 5: But yeah, this one, it's like we're almost just going
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Speaker 5: to be ripping it apart for like the objective portion,
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Speaker 5: so we'll save like the most egregious parts for when
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Speaker 5: we do the overboard moments. Right. But here's another example
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Speaker 5: of that because because I had so many notes where
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Speaker 5: they're going, and they're interviewing reporters that worked at Fox News,
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Speaker 5: you know, prior to to the two thousands, so like
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Speaker 5: right after it kind of gets created for like the
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Speaker 5: first few years and they're in that transition period where
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Speaker 5: they used to be at this you know station, and
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Speaker 5: then it gets bought by Fox News and now they're
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Speaker 5: a Fox News correspondent. And then I'm guessing that everyone
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Speaker 5: they talked to left, you know, like early on, because
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Speaker 5: I doubt they were. Even if they didn't, they probably
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Speaker 5: don't have jobs after this documentary because it is definitely
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Speaker 5: not any sort of flattery. But one of the things
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Speaker 5: that kept coming up was they're interviewing people they're and
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Speaker 5: this one guy literally says, you know, if someone he's
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Speaker 5: a news reporter on like a live news segment, and
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Speaker 5: he goes, if someone wasn't watching it live, they'd probably
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Speaker 5: be recording it and then like watching what we did
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Speaker 5: after it. You know, you're you're always under surveillance, You're
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Speaker 5: always being observed. And I'm just thinking, like, my dude,
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Speaker 5: like you're on TV right, You're on a live news
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Speaker 5: TV broadcast, and you're saying that you it feels weird
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Speaker 5: that someone's watching you at all times and that they're
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Speaker 5: gonna review what you're doing. That's like, I didn't understand
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Speaker 5: what the actual criticism there that they literally have three
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Speaker 5: or four different reporters talking about how creepy it is
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Speaker 5: that the bosses are watching their every move as they're
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Speaker 5: on TV, recording themselves and streaming in to potentially millions
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Speaker 5: of people. Did you pick up on that?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like super ironic, like where you're like,
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Speaker 1: hey man, what are you gonna do? It reminds me
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Speaker 1: of those those auditors right where they're the Free the
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Speaker 1: Constitution auditors where they're showing the camera.
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Speaker 4: The guy's like, get that camera on my faith, don't
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Speaker 4: record me.
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, but there's cameras everywhere, like literally everybody's
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Speaker 1: getting record. Like, I don't know why you're mad at
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Speaker 1: this one. Yeah, this could also go on TikTok. But
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Speaker 1: if you fall and slip and the security footage season,
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Speaker 1: you are also going on TikTok, so cameras are everywhere.
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Speaker 5: The next thing and this is getting into the parkas
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Speaker 5: Remember when I said, when I first saw this, it
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Speaker 5: was kind of mind blowing for me because I guess
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Speaker 5: I just hadn't considered it. But also this is soon
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Speaker 5: after Fox News was created, and this is like one
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Speaker 5: of the first big campaigns that they can throw their
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Speaker 5: weight behind. And I think that part of this documentary
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Speaker 5: was a retaliation. It was like a backlash from all
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Speaker 5: the other media companies that are like, wait a minute,
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Speaker 5: you're not supposed to be in here. How'd you get
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Speaker 5: in here? So they mentioned that there's this thing called
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Speaker 5: Memo of the Day in which they imply that it
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Speaker 5: ultimately comes from Rupert Murdoch, but they're all signed by,
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Speaker 5: you know, coming from Moody. So some of them call
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Speaker 5: like the Moody Memos or the Moody Notes. And basically
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Speaker 5: you show up to work in the morning and you're
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Speaker 5: going to talk about, you know, whatever's going on in
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Speaker 5: the news. But there's a little note on your desk
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Speaker 5: that says something like, you know, there's a lot of
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Speaker 5: these Abu Garabe prisoner photos going around, but here's a
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Speaker 5: photo of an American hostage who's outraged on his behalf,
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Speaker 5: you know, and it's not telling you like, hey, Sean,
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Speaker 5: complain about this American photo and don't mention the Abu Garabe.
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Speaker 5: It doesn't say it explicitly, but it's implied. So there
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Speaker 5: was like this gentle nudging, which I assume if you
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Speaker 5: didn't do what the note said, you're probably getting called
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Speaker 5: into an office at the end of that day, right,
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Speaker 5: So it's like you see this thing. Another one was saying,
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Speaker 5: you know, let's maybe not call marines snipers, let's call
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Speaker 5: them sharpshooters, just because it sounds better, right, And now
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Speaker 5: it's like, Okay, you're policing my language. I'm not allowed
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Speaker 5: to say sniper. I have to say sharpshooter because that
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Speaker 5: helps people buy more downy fabric softener in between segments
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Speaker 5: like that's essentially what you're talking about.
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Speaker 1: And you can go right, Like in these films, you're like,
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Speaker 1: what is like every day work, Like we all deal
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Speaker 1: with this kind of stuff, right, there's different Like you're
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Speaker 1: not gonna probably be in office with rupert after you
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Speaker 1: don't listen to the memo, but definitely it's going down
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Speaker 1: the chain and your direct supervisor or manager is gonna
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Speaker 1: take you in the office and be like, look, bro,
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Speaker 1: you got two more of these in your out right.
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Speaker 4: We all can see that.
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Speaker 1: That's just how the it was interesting to me to
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Speaker 1: see that not just the media, but just putting this
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Speaker 1: into like just every day work, and I'm like, this
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Speaker 1: is the time when a lot of stuff had shifted
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Speaker 1: in how corporate life is ruled and how a lot
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Speaker 1: of these business are run. Now they're like where you're
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Speaker 1: just a cogg literally a cog in the machine. I
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Speaker 1: know that's always been a thing, but that's kind of
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Speaker 1: what they highlight in this. As these reporters were like, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we used to be able to be journalists and now
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Speaker 1: we have to do what they say.
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Speaker 4: And I'm like, welcome to work, Bud, Like that's what
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Speaker 4: we all have to do.
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Speaker 5: And again, as I'm watching this, because it's it was
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Speaker 5: really hard to just like completely suppress my bias and
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Speaker 5: not that I'm like pro Fox News, but just that
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Speaker 5: this felt like such a one sided documentary. But they're
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Speaker 5: talking about this and I'm just imagining, Yeah, I imagine
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Speaker 5: an ABC reporter when the birther like the birth certificate
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Speaker 5: scandal came up. Imagine a reporter on NBC, CNN, MSNBC,
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Speaker 5: ABC anything going like, I don't know, that is kind
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Speaker 5: of weird that you can open up the birth certificate
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Speaker 5: PDF and that the signature is on its own layer
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Speaker 5: that you could just copy and paste and now you've
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Speaker 5: got it. That is kind of weird, like you're getting
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Speaker 5: called into the office at the end of the day too.
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Speaker 5: So the other thing they start getting into is how
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Speaker 5: Fox News is the rude, impolite bad boy of media,
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Speaker 5: and they're saying it like it's a bad thing. And again,
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Speaker 5: as I'm watching this, I'm like, man, they filled a
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Speaker 5: perfect gap in the market. And then they show all
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Speaker 5: the different hosts kicking people out an interview. You know what,
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Speaker 5: get out of here. I don't want you on my
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Speaker 5: stage anymore, Like you don't usually see that on ABC, CNN,
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Speaker 5: MSNB SEE like all the other alphabet networks. And then
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Speaker 5: there's a super cut of Bill O'Reilly telling people to
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Speaker 5: shut up. Someone's like, Bill, you know, you don't even
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Speaker 5: know how to argue with stance or whatever. You just
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Speaker 5: tell people to shut up. And he's like, I've I've
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Speaker 5: told one person to shut up in the last six
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Speaker 5: years one And then it's just a super cut of
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Speaker 5: us saying it like twenty thirty times to all different people,
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Speaker 5: like probably that month.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm disappointed a little bit, but maybe it
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Speaker 1: happened to after I remember the timeframe. My favorite Bill
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Speaker 1: O'Reilly part is the what fuck it? We're doing it live?
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Speaker 4: We're doing it live.
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Speaker 1: I was open to see that's one of my favorite bills,
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Speaker 1: but it it did crack me up.
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Speaker 4: The montageer shut up, shoot you shut up.
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Speaker 1: But like you said, it gives this like power to
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Speaker 1: the person watching because the person that believes with Bill o'rothy,
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Speaker 1: he's tapping into the audience like these are characters he's
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Speaker 1: tapped in and he goes they hate this guy, they
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Speaker 1: hate this type of person.
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Speaker 4: They don't like this argument.
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Speaker 1: Now they I feel like they get to say shut
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Speaker 1: up and they're like, yere get on, o'reiley. It just
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Speaker 1: bakes you into the already the audience, you already had
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Speaker 1: your plane into it, and now they just you're their
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Speaker 1: fan favorite, like they you have solidified yourself five to
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Speaker 1: ten more years on the network.
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Speaker 5: And we'll talk about this in an upcoming episode. So
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Speaker 5: I'm not going to go into this now, but man,
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Speaker 5: you look at old episodes of Bob Pine or like
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Speaker 5: Morton Downey Junior, and you'll see exactly where this came,
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Speaker 5: like decades before Bill O'Reilly or Fox News existed like
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Speaker 5: this particular strategy of telling your guests to shut up
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Speaker 5: and kicking them off stage and then afterwards being like
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Speaker 5: great show in there, Bud, you know, like like it's
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Speaker 5: jow business, right, So I love that's probably one of
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Speaker 5: my favorite parts. And then we'll get to this in
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Speaker 5: the Hidden Treasure too. But there's a particular guest, Jeremy Glick,
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Speaker 5: where his dad dies in nine to eleven. I think
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Speaker 5: he was on the plane in Shanksville and he gets
15:53
Speaker 5: invited on Bill O'Reilly and he has like this whole
15:56
Speaker 5: strategy because he's kind of like so we'll get into that.
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Speaker 5: Then there's a segment which was so ridiculous, but let's
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Speaker 5: just bring it up because this is where they decided
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Speaker 5: to focus a good like ten fifteen minutes on this
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Speaker 5: about the graphics that Fox uses. And they're showing the
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Speaker 5: lower thirds banner, you know, where it's like expert so
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Speaker 5: and so, and then it's got like the stock ticker
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Speaker 5: on the bottom. And then they're they say this, I'm
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Speaker 5: gonna say like complaining, like they're they're pointing out manipulation
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Speaker 5: in the media, and here's the things they list. It's
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Speaker 5: gonna have an American flag with like patriotic colors and symbolisms.
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Speaker 5: You're gonna see things always moving. There's always gonna be
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Speaker 5: animation to kind of like catch your eye and distract you.
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Speaker 5: And then they have these Fox News alerts, and that
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Speaker 5: the Fox News alert, it's supposed to sound like really serious,
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Speaker 5: like bung bung bung and like bombs going off, and
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Speaker 5: it's meant to declare the US has just been attacked
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Speaker 5: or you know, like ten thousand people were just killed
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Speaker 5: or something like a very serious and the guy that
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Speaker 5: actually designed that particular animatic, the Fox News alert, they
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Speaker 5: have him, I'm assuming like two or three years after
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Speaker 5: he leaves the organization, and he's like, they're not supposed
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Speaker 5: to be using it for stuff like this, man, And
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Speaker 5: then it cuts to like Jalo and ben Affleck are
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Speaker 5: they together again? And it's like a Fox News alert
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Speaker 5: and it's him being like, man, they were supposed to
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Speaker 5: use this for only important, noble reasons, and I can't
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Speaker 5: believe that this corporation that have me make this animatic
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Speaker 5: is now using it to announce that, you know, Ford,
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Speaker 5: just to announce that the F one fifty is the
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Speaker 5: greatest selling truck this quarter, Like I can't believe they're
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Speaker 5: doing it like that.
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Speaker 4: And the.
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Speaker 1: Fact of like advertisements side of thing, right, like you're like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know, they're catering to people that are giving him money,
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Speaker 1: Like I think that's funny too, and that they missed
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Speaker 1: it like yeah, this is what the audience wants. In
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Speaker 1: that same segment, they're like hey, then they start going
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Speaker 1: after anything that's Christian. I'm like that if they bashing
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Speaker 1: on a Christian or so they happens to a Christian,
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Speaker 1: they get on that story right away and they're like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's their base of their audience, Like that's what they do.
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Speaker 4: Man.
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Speaker 1: Like when I watch bat T like Late Night, they're
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Speaker 1: not just putting. I mean, besides Gary Owens right, like
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Speaker 1: the only white comedian, it's predominantly black comedians because that's
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Speaker 1: a black network. Like it connects, right, You're you're going
18:10
Speaker 1: to your audience, and that's where I'm like, Okay, now, if.
18:13
Speaker 4: You showed me my thoughts may be different on a
18:15
Speaker 4: lot of this.
18:16
Speaker 1: If you showed me this in two thousand and four,
18:18
Speaker 1: two thousand and five, two thousand and six.
18:19
Speaker 4: Because I was watching it too, like ooh, I would
18:21
Speaker 4: have been so mad.
18:22
Speaker 1: And I'm not with them either, Like I'm not like,
18:25
Speaker 1: oh yeah, Fox is great. I know, like they have
18:28
Speaker 1: Nat Pops and you know they have Judge Janine.
18:30
Speaker 4: Where bomb them, bomb them, bombed them, right.
18:32
Speaker 1: They get they get into the fear of like immigration
18:36
Speaker 1: that we get that, but it's just weird to go
18:40
Speaker 1: back and be like, hey, man, like we didn't forget
18:42
Speaker 1: it twenty twenty eight.
18:45
Speaker 5: And the thing that really was killing me in that
18:47
Speaker 5: particular segment just because I did anime. I did a
18:50
Speaker 5: lot of that kind of animatic stuff for all different purposes.
18:55
Speaker 5: And the number one rule of doing anything in animation
19:00
Speaker 5: motion graphics is that there should always be motion on
19:03
Speaker 5: the screen. Imagine that if you're working in animation or
19:06
Speaker 5: motion graphics, that you want something to always be animated
19:10
Speaker 5: or in movement. And the way that they're pointing this
19:12
Speaker 5: out like it's there to manipulate you. It's there to
19:16
Speaker 5: distract you and keep your eye busy, like your stupid
19:18
Speaker 5: brain can't handle a flag waving in the background as
19:22
Speaker 5: you're being told information. And again like if you have
19:26
Speaker 5: to like step back and be like, oh, does no
19:27
Speaker 5: other news network do this? And I actually I was
19:29
Speaker 5: thinking I was like there are a lot of at
19:32
Speaker 5: this time. They would just have like a blue bar
19:35
Speaker 5: at the bottom and it wouldn't even move, it wouldn't change.
19:37
Speaker 5: There's nothing else to look at. Is that a good thing?
19:41
Speaker 5: Is that like morally superior? That they're have boring graphics
19:44
Speaker 5: and that Fox came in and added animation. Again, not
19:48
Speaker 5: trying to carry water for Fox here, but that's just
19:51
Speaker 5: how animations. Oh they're living in the twenty first century?
19:54
Speaker 5: How dare them? That kind of how that sounded, And
19:56
Speaker 5: then it starts to talk about how Rupert Murdoch was
20:01
Speaker 5: pushing this new environment where opinion should be reported more
20:07
Speaker 5: than news, because in the end, an opinion can't be
20:11
Speaker 5: disproven like a news report that tries to be objective
20:14
Speaker 5: and have facts, some of the things that you said
20:17
Speaker 5: were factual might be disproven later and now you've losed credibility.
20:21
Speaker 5: But if you're talking about how it makes you feel,
20:23
Speaker 5: or how Americans feel about something that can't ever be
20:26
Speaker 5: proven wrong, even if the thing they're mad at wasn't
20:29
Speaker 5: actually true, Like you can't invalidate their feelings, right, And
20:33
Speaker 5: it was just like a genius play on that. And
20:35
Speaker 5: again you know, of course, no other news network plays
20:38
Speaker 5: with emotion that they're all very much objective. It's just
20:41
Speaker 5: Fox that does.
20:42
Speaker 4: This, and they showed highlight.
20:44
Speaker 1: I did like this part where they highlighted some of it,
20:46
Speaker 1: and again they only say Fox does it now knowing
20:50
Speaker 1: that like all these things are connected, and a lot
20:52
Speaker 1: of these films do like kind of irritate me where
20:55
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, Operation Mockingbird, it's just not a thing.
20:58
Speaker 4: I guess, like you know what I mean, Like I.
21:00
Speaker 1: Hit the whole Fox narrative, but you're like, literally, we
21:02
Speaker 1: have like a whole hearing where they're like, yeah, we
21:04
Speaker 1: were paying journalists and then planning journalists and then planning
21:07
Speaker 1: stories to sway Americans on certain foreign policies. And you're like, okay, cool,
21:13
Speaker 1: But I guess it's just Fox that does get it.
21:15
Speaker 1: But I will say I did like just the fact
21:18
Speaker 1: how they keep highlighting like the flip flopping right, carry
21:21
Speaker 1: the flip flopper, or like my favorite was that. You know,
21:24
Speaker 1: some people say that's classic. Some people say that Under
21:28
Speaker 1: the Docks is probably the number one show in America,
21:33
Speaker 1: probably the world share share share of the show.
21:35
Speaker 4: But that's how they get you.
21:37
Speaker 5: And hit the subscribe and thumbs up and all that.
21:40
Speaker 5: And here's another example too, was they start talking and
21:44
Speaker 5: when I say they, I mean like the people that
21:45
Speaker 5: they're interviewing on this documentary, which by the way, includes
21:49
Speaker 5: like Bernie Sanders is one of the main interviewees, and
21:52
Speaker 5: like a whole bunch of other hosts from other networks.
21:54
Speaker 5: But they're like, you know, Fox, is this this a
21:58
Speaker 5: moral thing? Because it's using it's trying to latch you
22:01
Speaker 5: on with fear, and they want to scare you that
22:04
Speaker 5: immigrants are out to get you, and terrorists are out
22:06
Speaker 5: to get you, and big governments out to get you.
22:08
Speaker 5: And the more you keep someone in a perpetual state
22:11
Speaker 5: of fear, the more receptive they are. And they keep
22:13
Speaker 5: coming back for more because you're basically giving them these
22:16
Speaker 5: dopamine releases. And it's just interesting because when this came
22:19
Speaker 5: out in two thousand and four, absolutely I could see
22:23
Speaker 5: that Fox would probably be like cranking the dial up
22:26
Speaker 5: to eleven, where maybe all the other networks are at nine, right,
22:29
Speaker 5: they're all milking your fear out of nine, and Fox
22:32
Speaker 5: is like, screw it, let's turn it up a couple
22:33
Speaker 5: of notches. So it's more like they might have been
22:36
Speaker 5: doing more of it. But man, it is so apropos that, like,
22:40
Speaker 5: right now, there's all these in twenty twenty six, there's
22:45
Speaker 5: all these reports about the Southern Poverty Law Center the
22:48
Speaker 5: SPLC that was funding these extremist groups because it justified
22:53
Speaker 5: their existence. So you know, if they fund racists and
22:57
Speaker 5: then racists have more resources to have more marches, then
23:01
Speaker 5: more people donate to the SPLC, So it turns into
23:03
Speaker 5: this sixth cycle. And this was reported of going back
23:07
Speaker 5: all the way into the early nineties, pre dating Fox
23:10
Speaker 5: News as an existence. So again the way that it's
23:13
Speaker 5: framed where it's like nobody was doing this until Rubert
23:17
Speaker 5: Murdoch came on the scene and created Fox News and
23:21
Speaker 5: that like and they're the ones that started everything, and
23:24
Speaker 5: everything's gotten worse since then. It really does come more
23:27
Speaker 5: across like all of the cool kids and the click
23:31
Speaker 5: get mad because like a new kid just showed up
23:33
Speaker 5: and sat at their lunch table, and now they're all
23:35
Speaker 5: like picking on the new kid. That's that's really what
23:38
Speaker 5: a large majority of this documentary.
23:39
Speaker 1: Feels like, Yeah, to add on to an like not
23:42
Speaker 1: just a new kid, but the new kid's super cool
23:44
Speaker 1: and everybody likes him. He's getting all the girls. He's
23:48
Speaker 1: now the starting quarterback. So they're like they really because
23:51
Speaker 1: they revolutionize what news media was, right, this twenty four
23:55
Speaker 1: hour news thing, and when he buys this company, like
23:58
Speaker 1: the twenty four hour news cycle had just started, like
24:01
Speaker 1: there wasn't before that. It's like you watch the news
24:03
Speaker 1: at eleven maybe in the morning, it was it right,
24:06
Speaker 1: there was no But when the mid nineties, I think
24:08
Speaker 1: when CNN and Fox were both starting up in this
24:11
Speaker 1: twenty four hour news cycle, but it was boring. There
24:14
Speaker 1: was not a lot to it. Like even in the
24:16
Speaker 1: Anchorman too, they kind of like allude to it where
24:18
Speaker 1: they're just like where he's like late night TV and
24:21
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, look at this car chase, like and
24:23
Speaker 1: he starts and people just start getting ampt to do it,
24:25
Speaker 1: and it's like where things are clicking, like, oh, we
24:27
Speaker 1: can use this.
24:28
Speaker 4: This is entertainment.
24:30
Speaker 1: And that's where people got to confuse, is that it's
24:32
Speaker 1: now been fused more to entertainment than news. But let's
24:36
Speaker 1: not pretend like all these guys like broke Off and
24:40
Speaker 1: these famous journalists were.
24:42
Speaker 4: Also lying to us.
24:43
Speaker 1: Like that's the part that they forget, and I get
24:46
Speaker 1: it that Fox is not great and they are fear mongering.
24:48
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, while I was watching that, a
24:50
Speaker 1: lot of it, I'm like, oh, like my blood was boiling,
24:53
Speaker 1: going back to like, oh.
24:54
Speaker 4: They're talking about Iraq, oh nine to eleven, like.
24:57
Speaker 1: A lot of this click stuff where I'm like, I know,
24:59
Speaker 1: they're just brainwashing people. When I knew people that because
25:02
Speaker 1: I couldn't even talk about nine to eleven around a
25:04
Speaker 1: lot of people because of Fox News, they'd be like, dude,
25:06
Speaker 1: three thousand people die man chow some respect, and You're like,
25:09
Speaker 1: come on, bro. That comes from that Fox narrative. But
25:13
Speaker 1: now being in twenty twenty six and going back and
25:17
Speaker 1: everything that I've learned through history even prior to what's
25:20
Speaker 1: going on, when you connect everything that's happening, this is
25:23
Speaker 1: not nothing new.
25:24
Speaker 4: It's just the modern version of it.
25:34
Speaker 5: Hidden treasures overboard moments. I think we already both mentioned
25:38
Speaker 5: one of the biggest hidden treasures in this one. And
25:40
Speaker 5: this is the one that I think blew my mind
25:43
Speaker 5: the most, where I felt like I got a cheat
25:45
Speaker 5: code someone told me and this is the some people
25:47
Speaker 5: say and then they have a super cut. So let
25:50
Speaker 5: me just I guess break down the whole premise here
25:53
Speaker 5: is they have a super edit of all these different
25:56
Speaker 5: Fox News hosts going well, some people say over and
25:59
Speaker 5: over and over again, and then they insert some sort
26:01
Speaker 5: of opinion or observation, and the documentary does a good
26:05
Speaker 5: job of saying, this is the way that if you're
26:08
Speaker 5: on a quote unquote news program, you can inject a
26:11
Speaker 5: completely biased opinion like this can be your own thought,
26:14
Speaker 5: this can be the memo that came in that morning,
26:17
Speaker 5: and technically you're not lying if you say some people say,
26:20
Speaker 5: and you know at least one person that has said
26:23
Speaker 5: that thing, then you can go ahead and announce that
26:26
Speaker 5: as if it represents some large demographic that you're speaking
26:30
Speaker 5: on behalf of, even if it's just the opinion of
26:32
Speaker 5: your boss. It's like some people say, I should be
26:35
Speaker 5: working fifty hours a week for even less money, right
26:38
Speaker 5: like that. Technically, so they show that this is a
26:42
Speaker 5: new thing that you know, only Fox is doing. They're
26:45
Speaker 5: the only ones doing it. I think in my mind
26:47
Speaker 5: it was more like they're just so blatant about it,
26:49
Speaker 5: like they don't care. They realize, uh, oh, what if
26:52
Speaker 5: the other news junkie nerds call us out on this?
26:55
Speaker 5: But again they're not making this content for news junkie nerds,
27:00
Speaker 5: it for everybody else that just wants to hear opinions essentially, so,
27:04
Speaker 5: but that when I heard that one, I can't unhear
27:08
Speaker 5: it even now twenty years later. If I hear that
27:12
Speaker 5: specific phrase, some people say, my brain goes right back
27:15
Speaker 5: to this on this out Fox documentary, where I'm like, uh,
27:17
Speaker 5: someone's inserting an opinion right now.
27:20
Speaker 1: And it's a good thing to keep aware of, because like,
27:22
Speaker 1: that's not all they say, right there is these phrases
27:25
Speaker 1: that are today like you'll hear them say certain things
27:28
Speaker 1: where they're like I think or this like they inject
27:32
Speaker 1: an opinion.
27:33
Speaker 4: And this is where it shifted. I think.
27:35
Speaker 1: I think it was not just here. This was I
27:37
Speaker 1: think the most like public view of what happened. But
27:41
Speaker 1: media had been shifting for a while and going these
27:44
Speaker 1: different ways, and Fox just took that portion of a
27:46
Speaker 1: crowd that was just sitting there and didn't want to
27:49
Speaker 1: just see like boring news. They wanted some excitement, they
27:52
Speaker 1: wanted some entertainment, and that's what Fox is bringing to you.
27:55
Speaker 1: They're and they gotta they got to put their message
27:58
Speaker 1: in and they don't want to get sued. They don't
27:59
Speaker 1: want to be like you could get sued to be like,
28:02
Speaker 1: yeah I heard. If you say I heard or someone said,
28:05
Speaker 1: or these little key phrases, now you're not in the
28:08
Speaker 1: laws targets anywhere. You're like, no, no, no, no, I didn't
28:11
Speaker 1: say that. I just heard someone else say that. I'm
28:14
Speaker 1: just crazy person talking to other crazy person. I'm just
28:17
Speaker 1: reporting what I heard. Yeah, and good the other hidden try.
28:22
Speaker 1: I think I maybe have three top ones. So the
28:25
Speaker 1: main one for sure was the some people say catchphrase.
28:28
Speaker 1: Just hear it everywhere now and I haven't stopped hearing
28:31
Speaker 1: it for two decades. The other one was that Jeremy
28:35
Speaker 1: Glick interview, and Jeremy Glick was, I mean clearly anti Fox,
28:40
Speaker 1: and he knew this going in. And by the way,
28:43
Speaker 1: currently twenty years later, Jeremy Glick is a professor of
28:47
Speaker 1: African diaspora literature at like SUNNI or something in New York.
28:51
Speaker 1: So he was definitely anti Fox going in.
28:54
Speaker 5: On this is all this any white little white kid
28:59
Speaker 5: in this, he must have been like eighteen or nineteen
29:02
Speaker 5: years old. He almost looks like so his dad dies
29:05
Speaker 5: in Shanksville. He goes on to the Bill o'reiley program,
29:08
Speaker 5: But he mentions how before his appearance, he was watching
29:12
Speaker 5: like every Bill O'Reilly interview that year before, and he
29:18
Speaker 5: figured out that there was a formula and that you
29:21
Speaker 5: basically had like twenty to twenty five seconds to say
29:25
Speaker 5: whatever it is that you're gonna say. Before Bill would
29:28
Speaker 5: start to get angry and then scream over you and
29:31
Speaker 5: tell you to shut up and kick you out. So
29:33
Speaker 5: he realizes, I got one chance. I got about twenty
29:37
Speaker 5: seconds to say everything that I need to say, and
29:40
Speaker 5: then after that it's just gonna be getting shouted over
29:43
Speaker 5: and I won't be able to get a word in.
29:44
Speaker 5: And he does it. He gets on there and he
29:46
Speaker 5: like lays how he's essentially just repeating a lot of
29:51
Speaker 5: the talking points about why would we go and attack Afghanistan?
29:55
Speaker 5: What did they do? Or Iraq? Like why were we
29:57
Speaker 5: attack in Iraq? What did they do? He didn't cause
30:00
Speaker 5: nine to eleven? You know, we should be attacking the
30:02
Speaker 5: Bush family, that's who caused nine to eleven. And that's
30:04
Speaker 5: when Bill O'Reilly starts getting angry and like does exactly
30:07
Speaker 5: what he's supposed to do, shouts over him, tells him
30:10
Speaker 5: the shut up, He tells him his dad's disappointed. He's like,
30:14
Speaker 5: your dead dad is disappointed in you? Right now? I
30:17
Speaker 5: hope you know that. It's just like the most vile
30:19
Speaker 5: thing you can say to someone that like just recently
30:22
Speaker 5: lost their parent, to have Bill O'Reilly telling you, like,
30:25
Speaker 5: your dad's disappointed in you. But the way that he
30:28
Speaker 5: was able to formulately break all this down and knew
30:31
Speaker 5: exactly how to say it and when to say it,
30:33
Speaker 5: it just shows that there's cheat codes going both ways.
30:38
Speaker 1: And I like that scene because like there is That's
30:40
Speaker 1: where a lot of nostalgia came from me too, because
30:43
Speaker 1: that is I'm I was saying some of those talking points.
30:45
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, well who was funding them? Right? Like
30:47
Speaker 4: who's funny?
30:48
Speaker 5: Now?
30:48
Speaker 1: Kaida like he got a little bit of this stuff
30:50
Speaker 1: in there, but he didn't realize at the time. It's like, dude,
30:54
Speaker 1: you're gonna that's a lose, lose fight. Bro, You're going
30:56
Speaker 1: to the home crowd. That's like going into Raiders stadium
30:59
Speaker 1: wearing a Chief jersey or or any like an opposing
31:02
Speaker 1: team the most hated.
31:04
Speaker 4: You're like, dude, you are the rival.
31:06
Speaker 1: Team and you're gonna go into their stadium and you
31:09
Speaker 1: think they're, yeah, they're gonna listen to me. They know
31:11
Speaker 1: they're not like, as soon as they got you on there,
31:15
Speaker 1: you're done, bro.
31:16
Speaker 4: And he did make good points.
31:18
Speaker 1: There was a couple good points, like I wish they
31:19
Speaker 1: would have said a little bit more, but you know,
31:21
Speaker 1: he's screaming over him and then you're like, then the
31:24
Speaker 1: best part for me.
31:25
Speaker 4: Was he was like and I was shocked.
31:27
Speaker 1: The next day, Bill O'Reilly does another piece on me
31:31
Speaker 1: and just obliterates me in like lies, and you're like,
31:34
Speaker 1: you didn't see that coming. I mean, didn't you not
31:36
Speaker 1: watch a year of his shows? You weren't expecting that.
31:40
Speaker 5: That's kind of his thing, is that he kicks you
31:42
Speaker 5: off the show, and the next episode he has a
31:44
Speaker 5: whole thing where they dig up dirt on you and
31:46
Speaker 5: they talk bad about you. So and then, I guess
31:50
Speaker 5: a perfect transition from the hidden treasures to the overboard
31:53
Speaker 5: parts of this documentary. Like a hidden treasure for me,
31:57
Speaker 5: I guess is just watching it and seeing how absolutely
32:02
Speaker 5: hypocritical and lacking of self awareness the documentary is, where
32:05
Speaker 5: every single thing they say is Fox News does this
32:08
Speaker 5: and Fox News does that, and if you just erase
32:11
Speaker 5: them saying Fox news with all news in your head,
32:15
Speaker 5: like this documentary gets infinitely better, you know what I mean?
32:18
Speaker 5: Like I can't even describe how much better it is
32:21
Speaker 5: and more objective if you in your head you have
32:24
Speaker 5: to replace the word Fox with all news. Otherwise everything
32:28
Speaker 5: else is clearly just focused on that. But I feel
32:31
Speaker 5: like that's that's both one of the strong points for
32:34
Speaker 5: me now just because of like it makes it a
32:36
Speaker 5: little bit more entertaining, like these these idiots are trying
32:38
Speaker 5: to tell you, like here's how the news works, and
32:40
Speaker 5: here's how I used to watch the news, and anyone
32:42
Speaker 5: that watched this and wasn't like, oh, but aren't you
32:46
Speaker 5: also shouldn't you be applying this to all news networks
32:48
Speaker 5: and not just Fox? And I'll admit, like, I don't
32:51
Speaker 5: know if I was that nuanced when I saw this
32:53
Speaker 5: twenty plus years ago to be like, wait a minute,
32:56
Speaker 5: doesn't this apply to everybody? Like I was probably like, yeah, man,
33:00
Speaker 5: screw those guys. They shouldn't be using the Fox News
33:03
Speaker 5: alert for j LO.
33:06
Speaker 4: Yeah.
33:07
Speaker 1: I did not watch it then, but watching this I
33:10
Speaker 1: did have in the back of my mind like, oh,
33:11
Speaker 1: I would have been hook Line and Sinker, like because
33:14
Speaker 1: I hated Fox Man, like it was just the enemy
33:17
Speaker 1: number one, like CNN was there, but I guess because
33:20
Speaker 1: they didn't have all this like stuff that we hear
33:23
Speaker 1: now and like it was kind of just supposed to
33:25
Speaker 1: be the real news, right. They branded themselves kind of
33:28
Speaker 1: like that, And it worked on me for a while,
33:30
Speaker 1: like I'm like, well, let's go click on CNN and
33:32
Speaker 1: let's they're gonna tell me, until I realized later, like, oh,
33:36
Speaker 1: it's all the same. They were just playing that part right,
33:38
Speaker 1: like it's all WWE, everything's wrestling, everything's entertainment.
33:42
Speaker 4: It's just all fake and glamour and glitz.
33:44
Speaker 1: When you see Tucker Carlson's working at CNN and then
33:47
Speaker 1: working at Fox and then just changing their character.
33:50
Speaker 4: A little bit, right, they're like, you know what, this
33:51
Speaker 4: is a better character for you.
33:53
Speaker 1: If they would have talked about that, that would have
33:56
Speaker 1: been great, but they didn't mention anything else, And then
33:58
Speaker 1: I thought it was such a cop One of my
34:00
Speaker 1: overboard moments I mentioned a little bit earlier was it's
34:03
Speaker 1: just you're saying that the reason the landscape of media
34:07
Speaker 1: is because of Fox.
34:08
Speaker 4: There's nothing we could have did. We had to copy them.
34:10
Speaker 1: Like that was kind of a cop out to me,
34:12
Speaker 1: You're like, okay, so you're not gonna own up to anything.
34:15
Speaker 1: You're just saying like, oh, well Fox did it, and
34:17
Speaker 1: now they open the floodgates and that's the only media
34:19
Speaker 1: you can get out there. And you're like, okay, that bro,
34:22
Speaker 1: you didn't even try. You could have made it entertaining
34:24
Speaker 1: plus added journalism, like there is like this middle ground,
34:28
Speaker 1: and they were like, there's.
34:29
Speaker 4: Nothing we could do. They changed it.
34:32
Speaker 5: And it also felt, as I'm watching this that all
34:35
Speaker 5: Fox News did was realized, Hey, like we're all lying.
34:39
Speaker 5: This is all ultimately about entertainment and not news. We're
34:42
Speaker 5: selling ads here. We don't get paid based on how
34:46
Speaker 5: accurate we are. We get paid based on how much
34:48
Speaker 5: our sponsors want to place ads in between our segments.
34:52
Speaker 5: So Fox was like, well, hell, let's just make this
34:55
Speaker 5: entertaining and everyone else the problem was ultimately that they
34:59
Speaker 5: were just being boring, Like that was the problem that
35:02
Speaker 5: Fox is hiring you know, younger, attractive, controversial people. They
35:07
Speaker 5: even make a good point in this where they're like,
35:10
Speaker 5: this is so funny because they have a Democrat that's like, yeah,
35:15
Speaker 5: they always put ugly democrats on Fox News, and it's
35:18
Speaker 5: always these good looking Republicans, you know, like Sean Handity,
35:21
Speaker 5: like that's a good looking guy. I'm just as he's saying,
35:24
Speaker 5: I'm like that got a little bit weird, Like all
35:27
Speaker 5: of a sudden, you've got this hate boner for Sean
35:30
Speaker 5: Hannity and then talking about how his co host is
35:33
Speaker 5: is ugo, you know what I mean. Like, but that
35:35
Speaker 5: legitimately felt like someone did do that. Someone did, like,
35:39
Speaker 5: all right, we got Sean Handity the jiu jitsu, you know, beefcake,
35:43
Speaker 5: Let's go and find some gangly, skeletor looking dude to
35:46
Speaker 5: make us his co host. It has like an effeminate
35:48
Speaker 5: pose and effeminate voice just to like pile on so
35:52
Speaker 5: you can say, hey, we've got a show that's got
35:54
Speaker 5: a Democrat and Republican, but you kind of stacked the
35:57
Speaker 5: deck against it. I just thought it was hilarious the
35:59
Speaker 5: way that they're kind of pointing that out. And then
36:02
Speaker 5: I guess the biggest overboard moment for me is again
36:05
Speaker 5: the lack of the self awareness, but that two of
36:08
Speaker 5: the main speakers throughout the course of this documentary that
36:11
Speaker 5: they keep going back to make their points. It's Bernie
36:14
Speaker 5: Sanders and a rep. From the Black Panther Party. So
36:17
Speaker 5: if you're doing a documentary about how you shouldn't be
36:20
Speaker 5: able to call yourself there and balanced if you're clearly biased,
36:24
Speaker 5: and then it's like, and here's Bernie Sanders to tell
36:26
Speaker 5: you about being completely objective and unbiased and a Black
36:30
Speaker 5: Panther Party member to kind of back them up in that.
36:33
Speaker 5: And then at the very end, in a lot of documentaries,
36:37
Speaker 5: I'll complain, I'll personally complain if they're like, look at
36:40
Speaker 5: all these things wrong with the world and they don't
36:42
Speaker 5: offer any solution, right, So in this one they do
36:44
Speaker 5: offer a solution. But here's the solution from Bernie Sanders.
36:48
Speaker 5: By the way, he says that when you go on
36:51
Speaker 5: your family vacation, in addition to like go into Vegas whatever,
36:56
Speaker 5: work in a visit to the FCC and bring your
36:59
Speaker 5: faith family to the FCC headquarters and complain to them,
37:03
Speaker 5: and then go to your local radio station, like show
37:05
Speaker 5: up or give them a call and demand a change
37:08
Speaker 5: and rise up. And that's the solution that they offer you,
37:11
Speaker 5: is to visit the FCC, visit your local news station
37:16
Speaker 5: and demand change and rise up.
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Speaker 4: Spoiler, it did not work.
37:21
Speaker 5: They tried. Yeah, recording, but just truss us we tried it.
37:25
Speaker 1: It was just me and you who are the only
37:26
Speaker 1: ones that went to the FCC. So next time, you
37:28
Speaker 1: guys should go together. And yeah, one of the biggest
37:31
Speaker 1: overboard moments for me was them just like painting this
37:35
Speaker 1: like victim style. But I don't always like when it's
37:38
Speaker 1: former employees. I'm not trying to say, but like, I
37:42
Speaker 1: don't know what happened, bro, Like, so if you stayed there,
37:45
Speaker 1: would you have played ball? But something happened where you
37:47
Speaker 1: stepped away, Like it's easy to when you step away
37:50
Speaker 1: from something to be like, yeah, dude, I was doing
37:52
Speaker 1: everything right and they were doing everything wrong. And I'm like,
37:54
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of employees leave places and then
37:57
Speaker 1: they act like, oh man, I ran that place.
38:00
Speaker 4: You're like, dude, you're the laziest piece of shit I've
38:02
Speaker 4: ever seen it, right, you know what I mean?
38:04
Speaker 1: So I always when I see like the unbalanced version
38:09
Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, these former people that work for
38:11
Speaker 1: Fox hated it, and you're like, well, you didn't even
38:13
Speaker 1: interview anybody that was like no, it was the times,
38:15
Speaker 1: Like there's no middle ground. So I'm like, are you
38:18
Speaker 1: just pissed because you got canned and you're adding onto
38:20
Speaker 1: the fire because a lot of this stuff sounds redundant,
38:22
Speaker 1: Like it's like, yeah, I'm sure this has happened in
38:24
Speaker 1: every news network, even in the sixties and fifties.
38:27
Speaker 4: There's stuff that we don't know about.
38:29
Speaker 1: I mean, that made a movie Anchorman, based in the
38:32
Speaker 1: seventies around there. It's a comedy, sure, but yeah, you
38:35
Speaker 1: think they didn't base some of that on things that they've.
38:37
Speaker 5: Heard you go first, sick or swim.
38:45
Speaker 1: This film kind of like brings me back to nostalgia, right,
38:48
Speaker 1: and then thinking modern times, it gets me like, well,
38:52
Speaker 1: you didn't do enough. You're not researching, you're not talking
38:55
Speaker 1: about Operation Mockingbird, you're not comparing that all these major
38:59
Speaker 1: media networks are the same and they're all built together.
39:02
Speaker 1: They're all lying to us the graphic you're honing in
39:06
Speaker 1: on graphics and like, man, they're using like propaganda and
39:09
Speaker 1: they're telling like, hey, stuff about Jesus and Christianity and
39:13
Speaker 1: war and immigration to scare us. And I'm like, yeah, obviously,
39:17
Speaker 1: like that's what all these news networks do.
39:19
Speaker 4: And even through that.
39:20
Speaker 1: Though, I will say, like I know that there was
39:22
Speaker 1: a lot to it I'm gonna give it a swim.
39:24
Speaker 1: I know it seems I was disappointing it. I still
39:27
Speaker 1: think there's enough information in here that their bias doesn't
39:31
Speaker 1: matter that if you're not really aware of the media situation,
39:35
Speaker 1: especially nowadays, if you're not, I don't know how you
39:37
Speaker 1: couldn't be. I would think it'd be obvious. But if
39:39
Speaker 1: you're not, it's a good guideline to show you. But
39:42
Speaker 1: just look it through. Like you said, uh, look through
39:45
Speaker 1: it not Fox news, all news, if you add all news,
39:49
Speaker 1: this is a great documentary, and I'll give it a swim.
39:52
Speaker 5: I'm the one that suggested this one. This wasn't even
39:55
Speaker 5: on your radar, and I suggested that because I saw
39:57
Speaker 5: it twenty years ago and it made a hugemat pact
40:00
Speaker 5: on me. And I highly recommend watching it if you're
40:04
Speaker 5: living in the year two thousand and four, But if
40:06
Speaker 5: you're living in twenty twenty six, it's far less relevant.
40:10
Speaker 5: A lot of this stuff maybe is even self evident.
40:13
Speaker 5: I gotta give it a sink, but it doesn't mean
40:16
Speaker 5: that I don't think that you should watch it. I
40:18
Speaker 5: do think that it's such an incredible observation that point
40:21
Speaker 5: in history but it's just it's so loaded with being
40:24
Speaker 5: hypocritical and just not being self aware. And it's hilarious
40:28
Speaker 5: too that they're complaining about how good the graphics on
40:31
Speaker 5: Fox News are, and they literally are like MS paint
40:35
Speaker 5: style caricature of Rupert Murdoch at the very beginning, and
40:39
Speaker 5: someone has like PowerPoint graphics that come up on the screen.
40:42
Speaker 5: Like everything that the documentary is about is just they're
40:45
Speaker 5: hating that they don't have as much entertainment value in
40:49
Speaker 5: production value. And I think that ultimately it turns out
40:54
Speaker 5: being such an obvious piece of bias that it's maybe
40:57
Speaker 5: worth watching for that regard. But the actual facts that
41:00
Speaker 5: they're trying to point out don't really hold up.
41:04
Speaker 4: You know what really does hold up, And they have
41:06
Speaker 4: great graphics.
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41:13
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41:16
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