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Jada’s Real Soulmate and Why I Left Real Housewives with Angie Harrington · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 1: Heather MacDonald has got the Juicy Scoop. When you're on
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  Speaker 1: Woo, woo. Heather MacDonald.
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  Speaker 3: Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 4: Have a great interview with a former real housewife of
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  Speaker 4: Salt Lake City. You're going to get into this and
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  Speaker 4: we get into all the scoop on that. It's very
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  Speaker 4: juicy and we really just cover why probably someone should
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  Speaker 4: never go on Housewives. So that is, we go deep.
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  Speaker 4: But first, I just have to talk about the internet
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  Speaker 4: is going crazy over the interviews that Jada Pinkett Smith
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  Speaker 4: has done.
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  Speaker 1: The book is out today.
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  Speaker 4: I tried to, I thought it was out last week
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  Speaker 4: and I had a long drive, so I tried to
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  Speaker 4: get the audio version for my drive, but I will
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  Speaker 4: do it in the next few days.
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  Speaker 1: So I definitely want to hear it in.
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  Speaker 4: Her words, some of the crazy stuff apparently that she
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  Speaker 4: reveals in this book called Worthy. The main bombshell that
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  Speaker 4: I talked about before is that she said, Will and
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  Speaker 4: I were separated for seven years. And that's why when
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  Speaker 4: he went up and slapped Chris Rock, I was like,
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  Speaker 4: what is going on? And now she says, I didn't
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  Speaker 4: see the slap. I thought it was part of a skit.
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  Speaker 4: And so when he came back, I thought it was
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  Speaker 4: part of a skit. And then he starts screaming at
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  Speaker 4: him about keeping my name out of his mouth. And
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  Speaker 4: so it just is basically everybody's like, what is this
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  Speaker 4: book called?
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  Speaker 1: How to Humiliate Your Husband. Like, what is this? Because
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  Speaker 1: it just does not stop.
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  Speaker 4: She also goes on to say, I didn't cheat on
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  Speaker 4: Will because we were separated for seven years. So therefore,
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  Speaker 4: when I had the entanglement with August, this rapper August,
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  Speaker 4: who I misspoke, I thought it was her stepson's friend.
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  Speaker 1: It is actually her son Jaden's friend.
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  Speaker 4: That was just an entanglement because we were really separated anyway.
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  Speaker 4: And she said it was Will Smith that asked to
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  Speaker 4: come on Red Table Talk to talk about her entanglement
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  Speaker 4: with August, which everybody that watched that, men, women, everybody
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  Speaker 4: thought it was the most humiliating interview for not any person,
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  Speaker 4: but certainly a man, where he had to sit across
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  Speaker 4: from her and she has to say, you know, you
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  Speaker 4: knew Will and it happened because you're annoying. Like I
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  Speaker 4: remember watching that and she went on to say that
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  Speaker 4: he was throwing her a birthday party and that he
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  Speaker 4: made it all about him. And the little daughter Willow
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  Speaker 4: and the grandma were like, remember that Will?
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  Speaker 1: And he's just like, I mean, it does not stop.
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  Speaker 4: And then she goes on to say, you know, she
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  Speaker 4: was in love with Tupac and that he asked her
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  Speaker 4: to get married to him while he did time in Rikers.
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  Speaker 4: She also has said that she kissed him and had
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  Speaker 4: no chemistry. So you had no chemistry with this man,
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  Speaker 4: but he also wanted to marry you. She also said
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  Speaker 4: Chris Rock had asked her out. Well, because I guess
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  Speaker 4: even though nobody knew they were separated, somehow Chris Rock
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  Speaker 4: knew that they were separated and asked her to go
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  Speaker 4: out with him. And therefore, that is why Will may
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  Speaker 4: have gotten word of it and was super sensitive to
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  Speaker 4: the fact that he was joking about his wife's alopecia.
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  Speaker 4: Other people are questioning the fact that she had alopecia
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  Speaker 4: at all because her hair is a buzz cut. It's blonde,
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  Speaker 4: but every follicle seems to be filled. I'm not a
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  Speaker 4: doctor of alopecia. People say that can happen.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. She also said Tupac had alopecia. So
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  Speaker 1: Will Smith has now finally said something.
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  Speaker 4: And I do feel badly for Will Smith because, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I don't blame her for trying to write, to have
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  Speaker 4: a book. And, you know, with all the awful news
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  Speaker 4: going on in the world, this has gotten a lot
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  Speaker 4: of press because it's really like the only celebrity news
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  Speaker 4: that was even happening was all the crazy shit that
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  Speaker 4: she'd said in this book that's coming out in these interviews. Will, though, finally,
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  Speaker 4: after a year and a half of slapping Chris Rock,
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  Speaker 4: Chris and he still have yet to talk.
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  Speaker 1: Chris is like, I'm not going to talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: Chris then has a fabulous....
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  Speaker 4: Standup special. So it got brought up a couple of
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  Speaker 4: months ago. Now it's been a year and a half.
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  Speaker 4: Now it's all getting.
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  Speaker 1: Brought up again.
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  Speaker 4: And people are just like, my God, what kind of
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  Speaker 4: narcissist is Jada that Will has been having to live
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  Speaker 4: with this person? So he gives a response and he
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  Speaker 4: does an interview with New York Times and he indicates
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  Speaker 4: that he supports for Jada's memoir. He says, he writes,
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  Speaker 4: When you've been with someone, I think this was on
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  Speaker 4: his Instagram, for more than half of your life, a
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  Speaker 4: sort of emotional blindness sets in and you can all
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  Speaker 4: too easily lose your sensitivity to their hidden nuances and
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  Speaker 4: subtle beauties. So first when the quote started, I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: he's admitting that he's basically in like an emotionally abusive
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  Speaker 4: relationship where he's just had to take everything she's thrown
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  Speaker 4: at him and just be like, you're right. I did
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  Speaker 4: try to throw you a birthday party and you're right.
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  Speaker 4: I guess I cared about that it would.
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  Speaker 1: Make me look good. Like literally she said, you threw
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  Speaker 1: me a birthday party and it wasn't what I wanted.
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  Speaker 1: It's what you wanted. And therefore you're a dick. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: she is the worst wife ever. And, and, um, so
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  Speaker 1: he says it's out.
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  Speaker 4: So it just seems like, you know, he, he's like
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  Speaker 4: on this boat and he's just making a light of it,
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  Speaker 4: but he's basically saying he totally supports her in her book.
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  Speaker 4: She says, we were separated for all those years, but
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  Speaker 4: we'll never get divorced. I really want, I really want
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  Speaker 4: Will to file for divorce. Please file for divorce. Nobody,
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  Speaker 4: even if you are never going to get divorced, but
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  Speaker 4: you can date other people, nobody is going to want
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  Speaker 4: to seriously date you, Will, whenever Little Jada Pinkett is
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  Speaker 4: there like with her emotional hold on you. So someone
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  Speaker 4: please rescue Will off that boat and take him to
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  Speaker 4: Laura Wasser and get him a proper divorce from this monster.
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  Speaker 4: I think everyone would agree with that. Let me see
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  Speaker 4: what else she said. Oh, she also in the book says,
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  Speaker 4: I guess she had a rough childhood or something. And
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  Speaker 4: she talks about pulling switchblades on people. And she had
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  Speaker 4: a gun held to her head when she was a
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  Speaker 4: drug dealer. She was a little drug dealer. And and
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  Speaker 4: then there's been a lot of jokes on the Internet.
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  Speaker 1: And who did this? This is.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know who did this joke, but it's basically
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  Speaker 4: a photo of George Bandersky posted it. But I don't
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  Speaker 4: know if he made this this photo, but it's it's
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  Speaker 4: Jada as Tupac. And it's like Jada reveals she has
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  Speaker 4: been Tupac this entire time. I've seen other ones that
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  Speaker 4: Jada reveals she has never met Will Smith. There have
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  Speaker 4: been a lot of funny things about just people being like,
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  Speaker 4: who is this woman? I've always thought she was extremely arrogant.
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  Speaker 1: I always thought.
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  Speaker 4: that them dressing alike and coming together when he was
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  Speaker 4: the one that was getting all the Oscar worthy movies.
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  Speaker 4: And she really wasn't. Yet every interview he did, she
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  Speaker 4: got to be next to him. She got to be
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  Speaker 4: on Oprah with him. She got to talk about how
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  Speaker 4: she wears the pants even. And it was cute because
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  Speaker 4: he's like six, four and she's like five feet tall.
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  Speaker 4: Now we know she's just a nightmare. Maybe I'll feel different.
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  Speaker 1: If I read the whole book and these things are
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  Speaker 1: not taken out of context, maybe I'll have a better understanding.
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  Speaker 1: But you best believe I'll be reading it and giving
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  Speaker 1: a book report in the next two days. Maybe not
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  Speaker 1: two days. Give me a little more time. I have
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  Speaker 1: a lot of things to do.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm definitely going to read it or I'll listen
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  Speaker 4: to it. I think I need to listen to it
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  Speaker 4: so then I can imitate her voice and do it.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I kind of hope to do.
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  Speaker 4: But right now, let's get into a real juicy interview
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  Speaker 4: with my now friend, Angie Harrington from Real.
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  Speaker 1: Housewives of Salt Lake City. I have.
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  Speaker 4: A gorgeous girl, but you might know her from previously
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  Speaker 4: being on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Angie Harrington,
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  Speaker 4: a juicy scooper.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, very much so. Listen in, listen up, whoop, whoop.
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  Speaker 2: I even know.
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  Speaker 1: And you were just saying something very nice about me,
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  Speaker 1: so I'd like you to repeat it on air.
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  Speaker 2: Of course. Let's repeat the flattery for sure. We were
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  Speaker 2: chatting for a long time. I'm like, we should record this.
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  Speaker 2: So several different Bravo podcasts have asked me to be on,
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  Speaker 2: not all of them, but a lot. And I have
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  Speaker 2: not done a single one. And I asked to be
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  Speaker 2: on Heather MacDonald. I've been on The Pop Apologist because
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  Speaker 2: they're friends of mine. But I specifically asked to be
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  Speaker 2: on yours.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I appreciate it because I love when someone asks
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  Speaker 4: and I'm not chasing somebody.
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  Speaker 1: And then I'm like, okay, they're ready to talk. This
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  Speaker 1: is great. Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 2: Totally.
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  Speaker 1: So you were on season three of Real Housewives of
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  Speaker 1: Salt Lake City. Two and three.
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  Speaker 2: Two and three.
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  Speaker 1: And we're going to remind people a little of that.
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  Speaker 4: But first, let me just give them a general background
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  Speaker 4: of your life, how you came about to agree to
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  Speaker 4: be on this show.
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  Speaker 1: Like, where did you grow up and everything?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. So I was pregnant and I get
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  Speaker 2: a phone call from my friend at the time, Lisa Barlow.
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  Speaker 2: She's like, oh, my gosh, a new reality show is coming.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, for as long as I've known Lisa, well,
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  Speaker 2: I've known her since I was 16 years old.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we worked in a telemarketing office together.
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  Speaker 1: Not Jen Shah's though.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no. But we would, that's a great question.
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  Speaker 2: We would just sit there and like make a phone
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  Speaker 2: call and then talk about fashion. you know so we
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  Speaker 2: immediately clicked but um she went like in my adult
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  Speaker 2: life she was always involved she had her hands in
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  Speaker 2: something whether it was like oh i'm gonna try to
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  Speaker 2: get this reality show or she would always kind of
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  Speaker 2: had her hand on the um pulse, I guess I
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  Speaker 2: should say.
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  Speaker 1: So she was always sort of into reality shows and
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  Speaker 1: thought she'd be a good fit.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think she's definitely, I think it's safe
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  Speaker 2: to say she's definitely one of those people that loved
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  Speaker 2: that spotlight. Yeah. And that's not necessarily a bad thing.
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  Speaker 2: I think people need to own it.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, first of all, listen, every, I mean, when
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  Speaker 4: I was, I always knew I wanted to be like
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  Speaker 4: kind of in this business. And the first reality shows
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  Speaker 4: that I saw were like Studs, which is a dating show,
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  Speaker 4: which they ended up approaching me at a bar and
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  Speaker 4: I was on it.
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  Speaker 1: It was a weird dating show.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 1: But it was the real world and all that kind
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  Speaker 1: of stuff. And I'd watch it.
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  Speaker 4: And when you kind of, you either are attracted to
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  Speaker 4: it as a viewer or you think I could maybe
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  Speaker 4: do it.
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  Speaker 1: And maybe your background is a little bit in acting
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. And I see that you had a little
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  Speaker 1: of that. So it's most housewives.
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  Speaker 4: Are not totally plucked from obscurity. Most of them, like
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  Speaker 4: Anini Leakes, you know, was always pursuing acting and stuff
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  Speaker 4: or had aspirations. Or even if it was like, Teresa Giudice,
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  Speaker 4: who took dance and singing as a kid, but then
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  Speaker 4: didn't pursue it as an adult.
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  Speaker 1: Most all of them that get chosen are extroverts and
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  Speaker 1: they like the spotlight, but some of them pursued it
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  Speaker 1: more traditionally and others didn't. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Right. And so I was a professional dancer. I grew
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  Speaker 2: up performing my whole life. I was fully identified with performing.
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  Speaker 2: Like I thought I had to walk in a room
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  Speaker 2: and entertain everybody for the longest time. And now I'm
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  Speaker 2: just like, just be chill. But it's funny because my castmate,
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  Speaker 2: Heather Gay, and I, we're both just like showgirls at heart.
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  Speaker 2: We'll call each other and like break into song. We're like,
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  Speaker 2: how are we going to get on Broadway? Like we've
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  Speaker 2: got to figure out how to get on Broadway. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm not on the show anymore, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: planning on you getting there and then I'll be your
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  Speaker 2: backup girl.
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  Speaker 1: So you guys are still close.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. I'm closest to her on the show. I'm
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  Speaker 2: also close to Meredith, but specifically Heather. Anyway, so Lisa
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  Speaker 2: calls me one day and is like, hey, there's this
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  Speaker 2: reality show coming. It's about women in business. It's really classy.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, you know that's what they tell everybody, right?
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  Speaker 4: Every housewife I've ever had from every franchise says that's
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  Speaker 4: what it is.
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  Speaker 1: It's either women with their charities or entrepreneurial women. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And so luckily from the beginning, I was pretty woke
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  Speaker 2: to what was happening. But she was like, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: it's really classy. It's about women in business. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: She's like, will you please audition? I go, I have
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  Speaker 2: a feeling it's going to be housewives. And no, I
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  Speaker 2: won't audition. I was pregnant. Like it just wasn't the
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  Speaker 2: time or the place. So then she kept calling me,
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  Speaker 2: begging me. I was like, no, no, no, I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to. And it was funny because she said she'll
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  Speaker 2: probably kill me for saying this. And she goes, finally,
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  Speaker 2: she couldn't understand. Like, why wouldn't you want to do this?
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  Speaker 2: And I just said, she said something like, was it
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  Speaker 2: because you haven't lost the baby weight? And I was like, no,
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  Speaker 2: not everybody wants to do reality TV. They filmed their
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  Speaker 2: first season. Next year comes along. She asked me again, hey,
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  Speaker 2: I need friends on the show. I need allies.
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  Speaker 1: And I think maybe by now you have lost the
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  Speaker 1: baby weight. Just kidding.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, by then I have.
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  Speaker 1: Hi, Angie. It's Lisa. Listen, I love this for you.
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  Speaker 1: I saw you at Whole Foods the other day. You
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  Speaker 1: look like you've really slimmed down since the baby.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes. No, and well, we don't have Whole Foods.
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  Speaker 2: We're not that cool. Actually, we do in Park City,
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  Speaker 2: Salt Lake, not where I live. Okay. But yeah, so-
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  Speaker 2: It had nothing to do with the baby weight, to
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  Speaker 2: be honest. But, um, season two, she was like, just audition.
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  Speaker 2: Like I need a friend on the show that my
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  Speaker 2: son by that time was one. So I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I'll audition. I'll never get it. They auditioned like 250
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  Speaker 2: women each season. So I audition, I'm having fun with it.
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  Speaker 2: And then they call me after a series of auditions.
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  Speaker 2: It's a lot of auditions. Um, And there's like buzz
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  Speaker 2: around the town. It's like, who's auditioning? I know this
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  Speaker 2: girl's auditioning.
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  Speaker 4: Does it start with like a phone call, then a Zoom,
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  Speaker 4: then we come to your house, then we meet the fam?
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  Speaker 2: Phone call from the casting director, which I'm friends with her.
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  Speaker 2: She's such a fun personality. She knows how to pick
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  Speaker 2: really fun people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So we had a phone call and we like bonded
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  Speaker 2: over Aaron Carter and his girlfriend at the time because
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  Speaker 2: like it was just like such a shit show, you know.
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  Speaker 2: But now obviously rest in peace. It's unfortunate what happened there.
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  Speaker 1: Did you know them or something?
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  Speaker 2: No, we just like couldn't believe like we started talking
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  Speaker 2: because I'm a big Backstreet Boys fan.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 2: And so we started talking about Aaron Carter. She's a
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  Speaker 2: big boy band fan. Okay. And we just like connected
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  Speaker 2: over like the drama of that like relationship unfolding on
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  Speaker 2: social media. We just thought it was hilarious.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So then I made it to the next level. I
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  Speaker 2: talked all about my obsession with aliens, and I think
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  Speaker 2: they love that.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I do want to talk to you about that in
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  Speaker 1: a minute.
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  Speaker 2: I got a lot to say about that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I made it clear to them. I was like, look,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not a drama girl. I don't like confrontation, but
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  Speaker 2: I will always stand up for myself, and I will
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  Speaker 2: always be honest and give my opinion. And they were like, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: don't worry about the drama, you know, whatever. So anyway,
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  Speaker 2: I get a phone call. They're like, hey. You got it.
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  Speaker 2: And so did a girl named Jenny Nguyen. And so
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  Speaker 2: did Sarah Jane Warner, who is my best friend and neighbor.
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  Speaker 2: So I was like, now I have to do it
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  Speaker 2: because I got cast and my best friend got cast.
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  Speaker 2: So that's when season two started. They cast me and
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  Speaker 2: they immediately sensed, from what I gather and what was
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  Speaker 2: communicated to me, the producers immediately sensed that there was this...
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: I didn't realize this. When the new girl comes in,
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of like the other classmates. Some of
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: them get threatened. And so they sniffed out that like
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: people were getting territorial and uncomfortable. And they're like, you
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: know what? We love you so much. We believe in you.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: We're going to give you the first cast event. Well,
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: apparently that's a big thing.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the kudos, right? Yeah.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, cool. They like me.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: Cool. And what was your cast event?
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: And I think they were trying to get people pissed
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: off at me.
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: That was the LGBTQ charity, like, casino night I hosted
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: at my house. Do you remember, like, the pink feather dress?
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: And my friend gave a million dollars.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, right.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: And this is because your stepchild is transgender.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: Correct. So, yeah.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: And so this was a few years ago.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Right. And my girlfriend is the founder of a foundation
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: called Encircle. And they had like really big people involved,
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: like Tim Cook, the Apple CEO. And then I believe
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: Dwayne Wade was involved, Dan Reynolds. So she had like
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: a really prominent foundation that was making massive waves for
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: the LGBTQ community. I thought, what a great way to
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: showcase them even further.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: So I had her come in, and we did an
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: event for them. So we have that event, and apparently
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: women are fuming that I get this event.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: So they came in with a toot or what?
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: Well, do you remember what happened?
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: Remind us.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: If you remember what happened, and I always try to
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: be fair here, my caterer's called and canceled. They said, oh,
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: we can't do it.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's right.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: And so I immediately flags went off. I was like,
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: I feel like someone's involved there. And then the next day,
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: what wasn't shown was my girlfriend, Stephanie, who runs the
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: foundation called and was like, we got a phone call
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: and Jen Shaw's pissed. You're having this event. And she
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: is like pissed that we didn't do an event with her.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: So it was causing problems. And I was thinking.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: So who canceled the caterer?
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, you know who I think
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: canceled it.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: You thought it was– Do you think it's Jen then?
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: I think– what I think happened was they had me
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: film a scene at Sarah Jane's house telling– they're like,
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: let Lisa know about your event. And I was like, oh, yeah,
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: for sure. And I let her know and I could
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: tell like– Maybe she wasn't upset, but I could tell
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: she wasn't excited as a friend should be.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: So then I told her and I told her, like
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: I said, I'm using these caterers. You know, you've used
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: them before. I'm thinking she'd be excited.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: What I think happened after that was I know a
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: phone call was made to my girlfriend, Sarah Jane, complaining
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: about the event from Lisa. And then after that, I
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: think my guess is she then called the caterers because
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: she's a territorial person. And I think she must have
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: called the caterers and it was like, hey, if you
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: don't do this event, I'll feature your restaurant. That's my
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: guess because that's what was said in the text message.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: We can't do your event. Jen's assistant called and they're
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: going to feature our restaurant. So we got to do that,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: which from their perspective, totally fine. Like I get it.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: It's not the most professional thing, but I get it.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: I'd rather have my new restaurant on a show than.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Right. How much warning did you have before you were
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: left without a caterer?
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Five days.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: So then that was very sus to me because the
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: only person I had told that to was Lisa and
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Sarah Jane in that scene.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Filmed.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: And I trust Sarah Jane. She's my good friend. She
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: called me. She goes, I got a weird phone call.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Lisa wasn't so happy about this event. So then I
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: get that. Then the caterers fall out. And then the
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: next day, my friend Stephanie says, Jen Shah's up in
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: arms that you're working with us, but you're my dear friend.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Of course, I'm going to work with you. Well, who
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: do you think told Jen Shah?
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: It was either producers or Lisa. So all the puzzle
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: pieces together felt very valid into, and I never said
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: you did this. I just said, this is very strange
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: to me. Well, as you know, World War III erupted.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: It turned into this massive issue. And I don't think
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: anybody was necessarily trying to sabotage the LGBTQ. community. No,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: I don't think it was about that.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: This is a common... thing that happens behind the scenes.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: have faced tremendous setbacks, and yet somehow have found a
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Life is one long lesson of chaos. I'm heading to
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: the Emmys, and I have police complaints filed against me.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: what would you do if it was given back?
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: Where did that need come from where you thought that
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: He said, I have a work dad.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: I need a home dad.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: What happens next? When I came in, he started crying.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Everybody in life encounters hardships.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: What defines them is not those hard moments that they
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: go through. It's about what happens next.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: I decided to risk it all. I realized how valuable
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: every day was.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: You're worth the work.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Listen, Dara, I'm not going to pull punches. You can
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: use your voice even if it shakes.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Like with OC, whatever.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: Right now, if you're watching OC, it's like, you know, Jen,
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: the new girl, Jen comes on and she's shocked that
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: You know, Tamara, who encouraged her to be cast in it,
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: she thought they were friends, really came after her the
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: whole season. And I think it's very obvious that Tamara
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: may have liked her at one point, but also wanted
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: to be the star of the show and also be
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: the A student to the producers and be like, Let
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: me give you the juicy scoop on the weirdness of
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: their relationship. Let me tell you what you're going to
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: ask about this. You're going to see that he had
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: a cheating thing. You're going to see that he sent
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: out a dick pic, whatever the story is. And they
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: were like, what? We thought we were good friends. And
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: she even said in an interview, or maybe her boyfriend did, said,
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: that she and Tamara had this great exchange in the bathroom,
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: and then they go out to nowhere to have dinner,
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, Tamara erupts on her and
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: throws a napkin at her, and Jen is new to
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: the cat, new to being filmed, and she's.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Like, why are you acting like this? I thought we
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: were friends. And I think what's happening now with the audience.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: Is they're so sophisticated now to all of it, and
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: we do know that it's such a catch-22 because They
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: say to the people, we really want to have your friends.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Who do you have? Right.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: And then the housewife, like Elisa, doesn't feel like she
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: has anyone that she's super close to or no one
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: has her back or someone was mean to her from
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: this season.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: So she's like, let me get Angie. Right. She'll be
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: my friend. But she only wants you to be her backup.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: She doesn't want you to, like, rise and be liked
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: and be popular.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: And that's where all this starts to happen. And they
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: sniffed that out immediately and ran with that. And I
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: was naive, not realizing. They were like, oh, she's getting threatened.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: And the thing is, to be fair to Lisa, you know,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: I think she wasn't in the game long enough to realize, like, oh,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I'm going to bring someone in. And I think we
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: both went into this genuinely thinking we would have each
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: other's backs.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: But the minute, like, They were pushing this situation. It
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: was like she wasn't cool with it. And I think
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: my guess is it freaked her out. But then she
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: felt betrayed. I called her out. And I'm like, well,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: I'm just responding to what happened to me. Like, what
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: do you expect me to do? Just like roll over
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: when people are trying to cancel my event for charity?
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: So I think that was definitely the producers being very
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: smart on how to... initially when I was cast, I
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: would talk to her on the phone and she'd be like, okay,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: so you're coming on as my friend. And like, when
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: I pack for a trip, you're going to come over
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: and help me pack. And I was like, doesn't sound
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: like what? So I told the producers, I'm like, okay, like, look,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: I was already hesitant to do this thing. I said,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: if I'm just going to be someone's bitch, like, I
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: don't know if this is the role for me. They're like, no,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: we love you. We believe in you. In fact, we're
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: going to give you the first And I had no
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: idea what was being manipulated.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: So you're absolutely.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Right on that.
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely think they know and they definitely put
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: on people. And I know that, I mean, the first
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: time I realized it is I was at Heather Dubrow's
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: groundbreaking event.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, the house, yes.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: The house. Our kids were so little.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Like the Western.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: The Western.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, like Kat and my son Brandon, who are
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: now like seniors in high school, are like– there's a
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: photo of them.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: They're so cute. They're so little.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: And we were friendly, and I was a fan of
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: the show. But, you know, we were all– it was
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: a different time. It was like 10 years ago, and
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: there wasn't all this chatting from millions of people weighing
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: in on every move and every Instagram story you do.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: And so– but I remember– being there and looking off
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: to the corner and there was a producer being like, remember,
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: she said this and she did this.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, 100%.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: And look what time it is and she's not here yet.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: So go.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: And they're like filming her with her interview off to
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: the side. And she's like, well, I really don't understand
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: why Shannon Bedore's not here. Then Shannon Bedore comes.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: And sometimes with that, they're like, oh, get there at
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: two o'clock, Shannon. Yeah. It's like, well, the party started
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: at 1230. But don't say that.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: All that stuff is very methodically thought out and planned.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: And so I think.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: I think that's why some people go a little bit like,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: am I... I mean, the real gaslighting is going on
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes because you're like, wait, what? No, that's
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: not what I meant.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: No, I didn't tell her to say that. Yeah.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Well, and what people always ask me, is it scripted? No,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: it's not scripted. It's highly produced.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Highly produced. Right.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: So then after that, it was like all of a
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: sudden like everyone, Jen and Lisa, two of the hardest
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: people to argue with on the cast.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Jen Shaw. Jen Shaw.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Yes, are coming for me aggressively. And I'm the new girl.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: And like Heather couldn't have been nicer in season two.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Whitney couldn't have been nicer. Mary and I always were fine.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Meredith and I hadn't really gotten on yet. Now I
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: really like Meredith, but. So I just kind of felt
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: like I hate this drama. I just lost like one
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: of my dear friends. I mean, we were more.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Wait, like to death?
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Lisa. Oh, sorry.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I thought you had another friend that like passed.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: No.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, but you felt your friendship.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: RIP to who I thought you were. So yes, a death. No,
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: but I just like, I remember throwing this massive event.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: I probably spent more money on it than I was
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: going to ever make that season.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: What do you think you spent on it?
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Which people don't. Yeah. Honestly, I had a lot of
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: people be gracious and do favors, but my dresses included,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: I probably spent 20-something grand on that, knowing that we
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: were going to raise a lot of money, and we did.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: It was worth it.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: So the only way you get anything for free is
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: if you solicit a sponsor yourself.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: And you say to the bakery, I'm doing a show.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: It's going to be filmed from Housewives.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: Would your desserts like to be featured? Which anybody would
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: want to do.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, the advertising alone to have your liquor or anything.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: But there's no guarantee.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: There's no guarantee that they're going to zoom in on,
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: you know, the bakery sign or whatever. And so you
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: would just have to go, hey. But the rest of it,
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: they never give you any money for, right?
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: No, not in my experience.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: No.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: And my husband always says nothing's free. So I was like, OK,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: maybe I'll ask for someone of a discount or, you know,
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: so people did help us out. And some people gave
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: us a little bit of a discount. I know Joanna
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Buchanan gave the party gifts for free because she's a
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: supporter of the LGBT community. So that was amazing. But
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: for the most part, I paid for that whole thing
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: out of my pocket and then my dress. With my
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: dresses included, 30 gram for sure. And again, we raised.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Well, you get to keep the dress, right?
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah. Well, I rented one of them, bought one
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: of them.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: But long story short, my husband and I ended up
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: raising $ 3. 5 million for the LGBTQ community.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Which is awesome.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: And that got the ball rolling.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: So.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Well worth it. That is one of those things I'm
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: forever grateful to Bravo for allowing me to shed light
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: on that because I had so many people from the
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: transgender community reach out and be like, you guys are
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: like the parents I never had. No one's ever supported me.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Nobody talks about this on TV. And so that was
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: worth it. But unfortunately, after that, it just was like,
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: I felt like I had, in fact, producers told me,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: you have a target on your back, just so you know.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: For whatever reason, some of these women feel very threatened
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: and uncomfortable and So I just was like, I don't
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: like this. I don't like that I just lost this
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: friendship of 20 years or more, you know, with Lisa.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Even though we weren't, we're more phone friends. I would
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: see her in person like once every two years, but
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: we'd talk on the phone and I always knew she
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: was a little, I don't want to, for lack of
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: a better term, crazy in like a funny way. Now,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: I don't mean that in like a hysterical way, but.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I didn't like that energy. So I was like,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: peace out. I'm out of here. Right. So I left.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: So I did do season two, but just like three episodes.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: So season. OK, well, this is season three. Was this
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: not right?
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: So season three, the reason I came back. OK. Heather
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: convinces me. She's like, I got asked to do Below Deck.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: She's like, please come. You're secondary. There's no drama for us.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: It's all the drama. deckhands or whatever they're called. So
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: I go, oh my gosh, how fun, Norway. Yeah, let's go.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: So we did that. And while we were there, she
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: was like, please come back to season three. She's like,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: you fought with the worst person to fight with. It
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: won't be the same. And I was like, oh, I can't.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: She's like, no. And we had the most magical time
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: on that vacation. Heather and I became fast friends.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: She's really fun.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: She's so damn fun. And what people don't realize is.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: She's 10 times funnier than what she seems on the show. Like,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: she could be a comedian.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: I hung out with her when I was in Salt Lake.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, she said that. Yeah, we went out.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Well, first I went to her beauty lab the year before.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, yes.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: And she did give me some free Botox, which was
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: very nice.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: She's so good at that, yes.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: And then I came back, and we were staying in
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: Deer Valley, and I went down the hill, and we
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: went and went to this bar and then this, like—
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: concert DJ situation.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: It was really fun.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: She's amazing. I adore her. We like, we just, I
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: always say, unfortunately I lost Lisa, but I feel like
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: I made a friend that like I connect with more
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: naturally anyway.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: And so when you were connecting with Heather, And.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: At this point, Jen— She's begging me to come back.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: But at this point, Jen had not been convicted.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: No, no.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: And what was your opinion of what she did for
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: a living? She hadn't been arrested at that point when
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: you guys were on the below deck?
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: No, no. So I wouldn't have done it.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Do you think her business was shady at that time?
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: So I didn't—here's the thing. Utah's really small. Everyone kind
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: of is connected somehow. But I didn't know Jen Cha
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: that well. I just knew her husband was a football coach.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: I come from a football family. My ex-husband played football.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: My children play football. So I kind of knew who
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: her husband was, but I didn't know her at all.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: So I had no skin in the game there. But
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: it never really made sense because the thing is I
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: feel like when somebody really flaunts their lifestyle– there's typically
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: something they're overcompensating for. In my experience. It's like when
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: you meet people and they immediately name drop all the
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: cool famous people they know. If you got it, you
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: don't got to talk about it. You know what I mean?
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: And speaking of that, when we were first introduced to her,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: she really, as a viewer, rubbed me the wrong way. Oh, really?
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: And I'm glad that I'm on the right side of history.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: You are.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: About her, and I'm sorry, Mary, though she is making
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: this season because she's funny.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: You're not a fan of her.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm not a fan of anyone that is doing
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: a weird church situation.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: And making money off of it.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: That makes sense.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: So it's because of that. But- Her weirdness, it's fun
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: to imitate, and I think it was smart to bring
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: her back. But nobody should go to her church or
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: give her money. But if you want to sit back
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: and laugh at her oddness, go for it.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, she makes the show for me.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. Thank God.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Until she, like, weight-shamed Heather, and then I was like, okay, Mary.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: No, she's an awful person.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Like, it's not okay.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: She is not a good person. She's an awful person.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: She's an odd bird.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: But the best television. Because she doesn't give a shit.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good TV. So with Jen, I... Right when I
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: watched that, I was like, oh, my God, all this stuff.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Something's off.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Now, we know now that half of her stuff was real,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: the designer, and a lot of it was fake.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And all these housewives are wearing, you know, Chanel
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: snow boots and all this stuff. You do not need
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: to point figures at anybody.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: In your finding, do they all know the WhatsApp to
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: call to get whatever they want made? That's on WhatsApp?
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Is that where they counterfeit is on WhatsApp? That's hilarious.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: I know there's a lot.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: Of housewives that are like, I'll give you the WhatsApp number.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: And I think a lot of them, like a lot
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: of women, not even famous, It's so accessible in circles.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: And to mix it. And sometimes you have a real
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: bag and sometimes you don't. And it's really hard to tell.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: And people may not know.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But I do think it's obnoxious.
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: Like the last thing I would want to wear if
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: I was a housewife would be whether real or fake
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: is an entire Fendi jumpsuit.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: No, I hate that. I hate the over-logoing. It's so tacky.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: I'm not a fan of it.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Um, good question. I don't know. I can say, I'm
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: not going to say names, obviously. I know who has
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: money and who doesn't and who, who portrays a certain
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: lifestyle and who doesn't, who does, who portrays it and
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: who doesn't actually have it. It's usually those are the
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: speaking the loudest about how rich they are that aren't
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: in my experience. I know Heather, especially for being a
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: single mom, does really well. Beauty Lab and Laser just
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: opened their second place.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: I'm very impressed with her, what she's done with the business,
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: which she already had, and then really utilizing it.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, she's like a.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: You know, kind of using it the way Lisa Vanderpump did.
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: She had it before and now she's growing it with
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: the show.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: And it fits the branding of Bravo.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: And it's authentic to her. Yeah. You know, like she
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: does it.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I, Meredith and Whitney, neither one of them pretend
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: to be something they're not from what I've realized.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Um, the rest, I don't know. Like I just, I
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: just think the louder you are about money and price
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: tags and how big of a deal you are. It's
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: usually over compensation. As far as counterfeits, I don't know.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: I have no idea.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I just think it's safe to say probably half.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Probably half. Probably half of what you see on TV.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: I think a Gucci baseball cap is a real telltale sign.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: I used to have one of those. And I bought
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: it off the street in New York, and it probably
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: has a counterfeit. I was just like, I needed a
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: hat that day.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Or it's the big Gucci t-shirt. Oh, mine are real.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: I have two, and they're real. I'm the dummy that
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: paid for them.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: You are the dummy then. You are the dummy. But
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: whatever people like.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: I'm not a fan of counterfeiting. Or if you.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: Want to go into the store and even buy something
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: small because you want the experience of going to the
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: store and having counterfeits. Like I think that can be
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: a fun experience and I'm not shaming it.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: It's unfortunate people feel that pressure because I do think
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: it's wrong to counterfeit.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's wrong and I think– and I
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: also think it's fine if that's what you want to
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: spend your money on.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Like if you want to go and have only label-y stuff,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Fine.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: But do it at the real stores. And if that's
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: your jam– Other people, it's, you know, redoing their kitchen
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: every 10 years. Whatever your thing is, that's your thing.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: That's your thing.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: So with Jen Shaw, now you had a situation with
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: your husband.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: And explain.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: You explain and then I'm going to ask about it.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Stupid mistake.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Stupid mistake.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: So that was absolutely blown out of proportion. What people
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: don't realize is months and months and months and months
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: of people coming for you that you know are run
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: by your castmates, okay, on social media. And so I
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: was going to bed at night just like sad and
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: frustrated because I felt like my side of the story
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: wasn't out there.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: And what kind of messages were coming from these unsuspecting?
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Well, stuff like, for example, I got one troll that
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: came and said something that I had only told Lisa. Yeah.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Or like, you know, things like that where like you
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: can't for sure pinpoint it, but you're like, okay. And
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: I think everybody– people don't realize the stuff that goes
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: on behind the scenes is really shady.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Real.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: And I think it's specifically bad in Salt Lake, quite honestly,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: with that cast. And like bloggers will screenshot– if they
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: want to get on your good site, they'll screenshot DMs
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: from– Lisa or Jen or whoever saying, say this about
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: this person. And so everyone's playing that game, right?
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, it happens with me.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Constantly.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, what the hell? I did not start
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Juicy Scoop to be the real housewives of podcasting.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, and I'm sure you did shit.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: I don't want it. I don't like it.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: I'm a comedian. I want to just cover the things
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: that I see on the show. And that's kind of
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: been the bummer for not just me but for what
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: I was saying. There's so many people now that were
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: fans that now have an Instagram, a blog, or a
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: TikTok podcast where they're covering it and they will– DM somebody,
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: usually the newest person that maybe doesn't have that many people.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: And the newest.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Person's so excited to be like- And they don't know
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: how it works.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're so excited to have this person that's like,
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: you're the prettiest, you're the best, you're the greatest. So
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: they start to divulge stuff on DM. And then that
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: person is really a double agent. And they screen grab it,
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: and then they go, oh, my God, look at this
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: snarky thing that Angie said about you.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Of course, yeah. And that person is like, fuck her.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: And then either the super fan troll or the star
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: has other people creating multiple accounts to come after you.
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: And I've had it in my own thing, and I'm like, look,
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: I don't think any of my enemies are necessarily buying bots.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: Do I think there's some weird people– that want to
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: insert themselves and they create multiple accounts.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Or they're in cahoots with the person being like, look
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: at me, look what I did for you, mother. I
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: wrote these mean things. It's a very weird thing that
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: I want people to be aware of.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's so bad. People have no idea.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Like cleanse yourself.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: Get out of it and find something else to do
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: because it's not healthy.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: It's not healthy. And then the thing is we had
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: enough evidence at that point to know that our castmates–
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: nobody played the social media warfare game like Lisa and
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Jen did. And everybody on the cast knows that. And
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Meredith and I both have so many screenshots of like
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: her giving– bloggers' information. Anyway, I was getting beat up
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: over something. I can't even remember what it was. I
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: was in bed crying. The fight or flight mode and
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: the anxiety you deal with, nobody can understand. I think
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: I can. Yeah, you probably can.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: I think I can.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: You talk about this stuff.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: And it sucks.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: It sucks. So I like I didn't deal with it well.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: I was sobbing. And my husband's like the biggest protector ever.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: He's my biggest protector. So contractually or I couldn't contractually
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: and he didn't want to get me in trouble. He
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: wanted to be like, people don't know what's going on here.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: They don't know the real story. So he made one
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: account and wanted it to look like every other Bravo account.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: So it was called Shaw Exposed because there were tons
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: of Jen Shaw.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: So because he's like, I would have said exactly what
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: I said to Lisa's face. I'm not afraid of it.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: I just don't want to get you in trouble. So
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: if you read what he said, it's not bullying at all.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: It's exactly what happened. But the problem is he did
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: it under a fake account to protect me when really
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: it made it 100 times worse for me.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: I was so pissed at him. I was like, you
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: did exactly what I said we will never– I will
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: never do because all my castmates do it. Right, right.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to be that person. He's like, I
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: felt like I had to defend you. Trust me. I
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: was trying to do the right thing. But they didn't
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: show all the backstory. They didn't show all the screenshots
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: several of us had of, like, cast members doing the
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: exact same thing. It was just so much easier to get, like,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: the husband made the fake account. So that's the story
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: behind it. And it was stupid. He shouldn't have done it.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: I actually think one of the hardest positions for a
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: man to be in America is to be a real
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: housewife husband.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Oh. It's ridiculous.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: There is nothing good. They're never going to win. Never.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: There is nothing good that can come for you. Well,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: in my experience— I can't even think of— I used to
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: think Mauricio.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Was a winner, but not anymore. You just can't come
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: out on top because they protect the women because they're
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: invested in the women. Right.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: The producers and everything.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: So in my experience, you know, Jen Shah— and they knew
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: everything that was going on was more protected than, like,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: stand-up members of the community. You know what I mean? Like,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: they knew the stuff she would do behind the scenes.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: But they had advanced it in her, so they had
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: to tell her side of the story and make my
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: husband look like an idiot.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: But until the arrest happened in the Sprinter van, did
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: any of you guys ever go or hear that the
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: biz was shade?
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: I think everybody– I typically did– I don't like to
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: talk to people about other people's finances, but I think
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: there was kind of this unspoken it doesn't add up.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't make sense. But I just thought, OK, well,
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: maybe Jen's just a hustler in business and she overcompensates
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: by being really showy. I don't know. Or I know
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: she had really good friends in the jewelry business. And
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: I thought, well, maybe she's borrowing a lot of jewelry
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: for the show. People do that.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Right. Yeah.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: And there's nothing wrong with that. And so I sort
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: of thought it was just one of those things where
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: she chooses to spend her money on like the outward appearance. Yeah.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: So I think it didn't add up, but I didn't
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: realize how bad it was. So, I mean, I luckily
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: was never at the time super close to her. So
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: I didn't really have to have an opinion on it.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: I think it was a much harder position for Heather
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: to be in because then she's just going, oh, shit,
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: like the person I was vouching for, you know, is
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: now a criminal.
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: When we were watching it last season and she had
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: the black eye and they were kind of playing along
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: with it, what did you think happened?
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: And were you talking to her about it? And I
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: still don't know what happened. She hid it on a cabinet? Like,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: do we still even know the story?
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: That's like the million-dollar question. I will say Heather has
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: been so tight-lipped on that thing. And even I am–
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: I would think it's safe to say on the cast
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: I'm her closest friend.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: She wouldn't even tell me. And I believe, this is
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: all my opinion. No one's ever confirmed this. I think
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: she got hit. That is not a black eye from
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: falling down. It's like a perfect punch right in the eye.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: You would think like it would hit her cheekbone or
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think she got hit and I
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: think she had to protect somebody, which put her, in
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: my opinion, in a really shitty position because she couldn't
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: speak about it. And then it made her look like
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: she was thirsty trying to come up with a storyline.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: I think she was under the pressure of protecting something
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: or somebody, whether it was Bravo, whether it was a
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: cast member. I don't know. But I definitely don't think
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: it was a booty call. I definitely don't. She was
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: very drunk that night.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: What do you mean, a booty call? Some guy came
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: from San Diego? Well, there was a.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Theory that, like, she got on Bumble and some guy
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: came and hooked up with her and punched her. Oh, God,
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: never heard that.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: And it was like, get real.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, get real. Well, at reunion, Andy asked us all,
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: what do you think happened?
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: And I said, and they cut out, I think they
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: cut out that part, but I said, I think she
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: was either drugged or got punched. And that was my opinion.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: I think they were blackout wasted, fucking around.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: And.
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: And maybe they even got mad and she hit her
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: or whatever, but they were fine. And she passed out
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: and not until she woke up in the morning to
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: pee did she see her eye and then was like,
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: all right, well, I'm not going to say anything. And
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: then it was almost like a Vicky with the Brooks
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: where like, she knows the truth with Brooks with the cancer,
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: but now is.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Like, it's too late now. It's too late now for
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: me to go, you guys. Yeah. We were fucking around.
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: Like now, like now let me just, and maybe even
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: the producers were like, we kind of like this.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Like we kind of like that. We don't know.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: That got played out.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I thought she was going to like, tell it like,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: in her book or use it more for herself somehow. Like,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: here's my expose.
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: You know, go have Bethany Frankel give her 10 grand
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: or something and tell her story. I thought there was
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: going to be something that was going to be a
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: bigger payoff.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm telling you, the energy around it was,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: I felt like she wanted to tell me, but she couldn't. Like,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: someone got to her, made her sign something. This is
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: all my guess.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Because of the energy around it. It was tangible. It
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: was like, I want to speak up. I feel like
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: I'm getting screwed over because I can't talk about it.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: But I can't.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Because I don't know if it's I could get sued.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: The energy wasn't normal. It wasn't conducive to she partied
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: too much. Because I told her, I'm like, if you
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: party too much, who cares? We've all been there.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: And you woke up with a black eye. Shit happens
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: when you party. It was more like frustration and secrecy.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: And the other part was.
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: The other thing I thought could be kind of interesting
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: is if she made a deal with production in that
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: she got hurt at the Airbnb or whatever property they rented.
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: And therefore there could be a financial lawsuit or something
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: involved in her being that drunk, also being a cast member,
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: which is what we're hearing about now with people being
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: really kind of being like, are these people getting too
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: drunk on these shows?
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: Production going home, leaving them that wasted, and then her
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: hitting something in the Airbnb or wherever they rented that
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: might have been a safety hazard that production didn't go
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: through and.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Do like a sweep of making sure it was like safe.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: No, that's actually a great guess because I think it
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: felt like there was something legal involved. That's my opinion.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: I have no idea. But that's what it felt like.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: So you're probably not wrong there. Whether she got hit
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: or hurt.
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: I'm going to go back and I'm going to say
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: that's what I think it is. And I don't think
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: that Jen hit her.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: Because if Jen did hit her, she's in jail for
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: nine years or six years or whatever it is.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: And Heather's not visiting her. Tell it.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Who cares now? It's not like that is going to
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: make a difference in her doing time.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's already paying for her time. Well, and the
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: thing that made me feel so bad for her as
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: her friend is she got so much shit for that,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: for not talking about it. And you could tell she couldn't.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: And so I just felt really bad for her because
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: of that. So, yeah.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: And then you, when she was getting her choir together,
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: which seems to have, you know, not had a lot
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: of momentum since, but she is a little busy. That's
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: when you and Whitney did the dance routine or whatever?
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: I told you I'm like begging to perform. I'm like,
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: anybody want to see me perform? I used to like
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: when my mom's friends would come over, I'd bring out
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: my pointe shoes and like warm up in the kitchen.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: So people would be like, oh, what are you doing?
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Show us more.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, nothing.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Just a ballet routine. Okay, fine.
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: My sister and I, depending on whoever wants to do it,
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: when my parents would have people over for martinis or whatever, They'd.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Be like, little girls. And then my sister and I
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: would come down and we'd have to sing Annie, songs
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: from Annie.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: And you probably loved every minute of it, right?
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The sun will come out tomorrow. Bet your bottom dollar. Yeah.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Look at me hitting it with you.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you have a better voice than I do. Anyway,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: I got you, girl. I got you, girl. Listen, if
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: I hadn't pursued... I've said this before because I'm like
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: there's times in my life where I'm like I didn't
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: pursue like marrying the rich guy that you meet in
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: college more.
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: Like that just didn't occur to me.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: No. And I'm like what if I had married this
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: rich guy that liked me and I just threw away
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: my aspirations of being a comedian or whatever to be
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: the rich lady. I would probably be on a housewife show.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Would you prefer that road though?
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: No, I would not have preferred it. But I'm saying
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: I probably– like if we were to do a movie
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: of my life, Sliding Doors.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: And it was like, okay, go with this guy and
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: like give up and just live in this beautiful house
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: where each door weighs a thousand pounds and like live
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: this life.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: But I know that person would never put up with
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: me going to growlings, doing standup.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Living this life. I, you know, the parents wouldn't like it, whatever.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: Then I think I would have done whatever it took
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: to go be a housewife because I would still have
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: wanted that aspiration, but I just chose not to pursue it.
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: That's why I'm not, that's why I'm intrigued by who
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: they cast and why I don't think it's like, Oh,
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: you thirsty bitch. Because I think we're, I think anyone
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: with an Instagram account with more than a hundred friends
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: is is thirsty.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: So we're all thirsty. We come from a thirsty generation.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: I definitely got a healthy amount of thirst. I think
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: I posted a swimsuit picture the other day.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Part of it is we didn't grow up drinking a
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: lot of water. Think about it.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Think about how all our kids drink so much water.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Do you ever remember drinking.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: Water in school?
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: No.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: Was water even allowed? There were drinking fountains. But now
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: you bring a canteen with you.
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: And when you're in the drinking fountain, which was disgusting,
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: people would be like, go, finish, have a sip.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: I probably grew up in full dehydration my whole life.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't have been surprised. I can't even remember what
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: you were asking me. Okay, so you would have been
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: the rich lady who'd done housewives. And I would have
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: been here to say don't do it.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: In my experience, don't do housewives.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about. Okay, so you've worked
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: it out. It got exposed. Your husband admitted it.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: He admitted it.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: And that's the thing. It was embarrassing and whatever and
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: who cares.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: The funny thing is it was embarrassing. He owned it.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: But the other cast members would not own and we
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: had proof and they would deny, deny, deny, deny and
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: all that got cut out.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they were all guilty of it. Whatever.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: It was stupid.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, so then you finished season three. We're in season
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: four now.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so kudos to Bravo. They actually did ask me
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: to come back. I'm not one of those people that's like, oh,
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: I chose to leave but really never got the phone call.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: And they were willing to– my son was diagnosed with autism,
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: my four-year-old, and they were willing to talk about that.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: But in my experience, what happened with me, I didn't
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: think they handled my situation fairly at all. I didn't
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: mind that they talked about what happened with Chris. What
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: I minded was that they protected people who didn't deserve
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: protection and didn't tell a full story. So I wasn't–
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: I just– I thought about it. Initially, I was like–
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: You know, wrestling with the idea of, oh, maybe I
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: go back. It would be a great platform like it
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: was for the transgender thing to talk about autism. And
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: then I just kind of was like, you know, yeah, no.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: It's too sacred.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know why anybody would go on
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: it now.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: I really don't. It's not what it used to be, right?
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Look, I watch it and I enjoy it.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: I know. I don't watch it anymore. PTSD.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: So it is hard for you to watch. I can
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: see that.
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: It's like when I'm not friends with somebody anymore, I
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: can't follow them on Instagram. I don't want to see
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: it because it gives you like a pang of like
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: what used to be or if that person hurt you.
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: So I don't blame anybody that is no longer on it,
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: whether they're on a pause or not. to not watch it,
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: not follow their friends.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: Because that is the healthy choice to do.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: Well, and it's not even that I watch it and
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: I angst for it. It's like I will watch it
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: and having gone through the process kind of ruined it
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: for me. You know what I mean? Like, it's just
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: kind of like, I just, I don't relate to it anymore.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: When you were considering coming back, what was your husband's attitude?
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Surprisingly, he was like, look, I don't see the payoff.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: This has done nothing for you. But if you want
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: to do it, do it. I mean, if I told
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: my husband I wanted to run for the president of
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: the United States, he'd be like, OK, let's get you
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: a campaign manager. Let's go. What does your husband do
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: for a living? He's in tech.
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: OK.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: And fortunately, he's had a lot of success. So I
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: do have the flexibility.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Financially.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: Financially to choose.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: You're not doing it for a paycheck. Right.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: And so I do. I say that only because I
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: sympathize with the women who. need the paycheck. And quite frankly,
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: when you go on that show, you are risking your reputation.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: You're risking potential future jobs. Some people love it. Some
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: people don't want to be attached to a reality TV
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: star or a housewife. So you risk your marriage.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: And your kids.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you risk your children. And my children were not
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: into it at all. Even my teenagers, they were just
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: like when I was wrestling with the idea. So you have.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Two kids from your previous marriage?
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: So I have two kids from my previous marriage and
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: we're still close with my ex. They are 18 and 16.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: They both play football and they are so laser focused
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: on that, that like if the cameras were not, and look,
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: I was a part-time cast member, so they didn't necessarily
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: have to feature my children, but they wanted to and
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: were willing to. And like the cameras would come and
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: both my boys would like run upstairs and shut their doors.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: They were not interested.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: So I have two boys.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: And there were opportunities where I had just one opportunity
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: major that was like this company was like we want
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: to have you be like the next Chrisley Knows Best
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: or whatever.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, cute.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: Well, it didn't go anywhere. But anyway, they filmed. I
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: didn't have to put any money. They came. We pitched it.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: We did a pilot. And I was like, great.
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: And this is before my podcast was successful and I
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: was no longer on Chelsea Lately.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: So I was like, okay, this could be the next thing.
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: And my boys were always so didn't care, you know,
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: if I filmed them or did something and they were
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: always like down for whatever.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: But it wasn't a lot.
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: And so we did the days of shootings to get
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: the pilot together and then nobody wanted it or the
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: reel or whatever that was the sizzle reel. And not
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: until recently did my 20 year old tell me that
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: he had said in his brain if that show got
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: picked up he was like not going to participate.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: You're like that would have been a little too late dude.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: And I thought about it and I was like you
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: know what?
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: We're so close, my boys and I. And I enjoy
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: them so much. And they help me with this business,
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: both of them. And they do whatever I ask.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: Them to do.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: And we have so much fun.
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: And it's like, you probably feel this way with your boys.
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: Like my son surprised me this weekend to come home
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: and they were just going to play golf. And I'm like,
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: I want to just go have breakfast with you before
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: the golf. And I want Drake to drive my car.
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: I just want those 15 minutes.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: And like, I try to explain it when I go,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: you're my like Taylor Swift. Like you're a rock star
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: to me.
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: Like you don't understand like what it is when you're
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: just so excited. And to think that I could have
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: had that gone and had at the most vulnerable time
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: of his age, of growing up.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Be so resentful.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: Jeopardize that for sure.
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: But also be in a place where he couldn't, Where
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: he chose not to tell me because.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Kids don't share stuff.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: They don't know how to communicate.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: Because their brains are not even half developed. Right.
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: And so then you're putting them in a position to
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: then be on camera and say personal stuff.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: And we need to just get this shot. We've got
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: to do the thing, you know.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: They would have hated it.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: And I feel like more and more people have to
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: realize whether they're doing their own. I talk a lot
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: about it on the show. Whether they're doing their own
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: TikToks or whatever. That it's really... Your kids can't be
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: your content.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: Unless they want it.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: Unless they want it.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: And some kids do. And some kids do.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: And some kids want to. And they're little actors. They
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: want to be on the show.
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: And they want to be sassy. Like Emily's daughter on OC. Obviously,
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: she really likes it.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: She wants to be.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: She's great at it.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: And actually, she wants to do it. Like, that's all good.
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: But.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: But I mean, I'm totally with you on that. And
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: that was the biggest factor in season four was just like,
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: my kids don't want to do it. I'm not going
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: to be a friend of forever. Like that probably would
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: have been the year I would have been a would
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: have been a full time housewife. At least that's what
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: they were communicate. That's what they wanted for me. And
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: so I just felt like my husband was like, I
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: don't think it's good, but you do what you want
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: to do. And then I just felt like, It's just
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: I did not want to compromise that relationship with my kids.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: And in the sports world, it wouldn't have been a
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: good thing, I don't believe.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: Were you a fan of The Housewives? Did you watch
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: other films?
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: I watched it, yeah.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: So did you watch the old OC ones?
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: I started a few years in, like probably season three.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: Like what are you referring to?
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: One of the most– Like, I've talked about this scene.
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: It is exactly why you did the right thing.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, what is it?
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, so Gina Kino.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know her, so I didn't watch it.
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: Okay, Real House F.O.C., first two seasons. She has three kids,
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: and one of them wants to be professional baseball, whatever.
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: I think he went to, like, minor leagues.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: And she shows up with Vicki Gullison. I always say
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: her name wrong. Gullison? Gullison.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: Vicki.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: I'll just call her Vicki.
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: And with cameras while he's playing. And all on camera,
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: he is like so mad at her.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: Because he's in the middle of a game? Yeah. Oh,
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: my kids would die.
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: And he goes, I want to take this baseball. He goes,
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: I want to take this bat and hit you in
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: the head with it. He says it and they keep
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: it in the show.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: And then it makes him look like an idiot.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: He looks so awful.
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: And I'm watching it. when my kid is like seven.
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: And I'm thinking he is the worst kid ever and
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: I better make sure my kid is never that poorly behaved.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: A couple years ago, I meet her and I ask
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: her about it.
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: And she said both the boys suffered so much. And
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: now they're fine, all the kids are fine. But she
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: said he didn't know we were showing up with cameras.
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: And the producers convinced me and I didn't think about,
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: not only, sometimes your kids don't even want you at
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: a game.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: No.
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: Or when I would go to see my kid play
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: like his little golf game whenever, it's a bummer because
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: you can't cheer like you can in a football game.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: You have to be quiet.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: No, they're already so embarrassed. I know.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: I went to my son and said that he goes,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: dad ruined it for me. I go, what do you mean?
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: He goes, I'm playing golf. And all of a sudden,
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: I see this, his body go behind a tree like looking.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: And he goes, oh my God, creeper.
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: So I'm like, it's already bad enough that we just
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: want to watch.
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: Have cameras come and then have it live on for
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: infamy in 150 countries on.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: Peacock, on Hey You, on whatever.
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: And to still think like you associate him with being
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: like a shit of a son when it wasn't the case.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: It's like, think how many times our kids say something
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: so shitty to us. And they act, I don't know
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: about you, but like they act allergic to you almost.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: Like everything you say is obnoxious. And I try to tell,
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm a cool mom, but no matter what,
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: I'm still their mom, you know? So I think it's
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: one of those things like, God forbid they say the
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: wrong thing because teenagers do all the damn time. And
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: then they're trying to get a job in finance one
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: day or trying to go to an Ivy League school. Like,
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: I just don't want anything like that being held against them.
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: And then think about if they have their own, you know, Instagram.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: And everybody's like, you're an awful person. I can't believe
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: you said that. Or what about the fact that, like,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: someone showed something of Ramona's daughter when she was, like, 10. Right.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: And it's, like, one of the first episodes. And the
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: mom goes to– is, like, getting drunk. Ramona's getting drunk
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: because she kisses her friend on the lips.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: And little Avery is like, ew, mom, you're a lesbian.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: And everyone's like, Avery is homophobic. Well, now, come on.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: She's 10.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: And this is 12, 13 years ago. That stuff sticks.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: And people spoke differently then and like.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: And now with council culture. And she's a little kid.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: Like, what the hell? Like.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, well, and like when your kids are young,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: sometimes they'll say something where you go, that could be
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: considered racist. But I get that you don't understand it is.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: Because you're a little kid.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: You're a little kid. But then they like won't get
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: a job one day. You know, it's just not something
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: I was willing to touch or risk. Now, if people's
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: children are OK with it, fine, do it. But I know,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: for example, like Meredith, two of her kids are OK
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: with it. One's not. He doesn't do the show, you know.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: And so I just think you have to really communicate
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: with your family. And I do feel bad for the
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: kids that you can tell hate it. And they're there
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: kind of for their mom, you know? And it's funny,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: like when I was interviewing, the casting director interviewed my
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: family and I was listening and my son's like, she's like,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: so what do you think about your mom being on TV?
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: He's like, he sits there, he goes, honestly, I don't care.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you're ruining this for me, son. They still
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: cast me shockingly.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: Right, and that's the other thing. He was so not
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: into it.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: But also that's the other thing that, you know, you've
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: done the right thing, but what about the mom being,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: That is like it's because of you losers I didn't
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: get picked.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, totally. And then a kid later on feels guilty like, you.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: Know, my mom's so sad.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: Her dream was to be a housewife and I wasn't
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: cool enough to.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: Or I wasn't outgoing enough. I just don't think it
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: should ever be.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: Even when I just talked about recently because I did
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: have an agent when I was a little kid because
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: we grew up out here.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: And I talked about how.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: And it was the first time I realized that I
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: felt so badly when I'd be like dancing around at
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: home and doing impressions. And my mom would be like,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: why can't you be like that when I drive you
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: all the way to Hollywood? Because I was such a
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: dud and I wasn't booking anything. And I remember in
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: that moment thinking, I'm really wasting my mom's time. I'm
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: really wasting my mom's time, gas and you know.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: You should go kick rocks.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, and no kid should be responsible for For.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: Their parents' livelihood or their happiness or anything like that.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: They have to all be on board. And just to
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: wrap this up, my son said to me when I
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: was contemplating, he just said, Mom, like even though there
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: was no drama with my children, they weren't even on
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: the show, the level of consumption that show requires and
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: how much it takes over your mind, it just brings
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: attention into the home because you're constantly frustrated. You're constantly
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: in like fight or flight mode. And I personally couldn't
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: be the parent that I could be when I wasn't
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: on the show. I just like my kids. He was like, Mom,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: I feel like you're here, but you're always on the
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: phone or you're always frustrated. I was snappier. And so
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: even if it's not affecting your kids personally, like what
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: they say or do on the show, as a mother,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: it was affecting my children. So that's another thing people
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: should consider. And again, maybe some of the women have
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: that balance down. I'm not saying they don't. No judgment there.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: For me, it didn't work. So.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: So you're not watching it this season.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: I'm not, but I do for Heather sometimes. Like if
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: she wants my feedback on something, I'll watch a little bit.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: I just like, I just.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: What?
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: So this new girl, she was a little bit.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: Monica. She's been in my house.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, well, let's talk about Monica first.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: So, you know, Monica. Yeah.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: Ish. I met her once. She came to my house
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: for a baby shower for Sarah Jane, who was cast
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: with me season two.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: She was a brunette, right?
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: No, Sarah Jane was a blonde, and she didn't even
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: get— she got cut immediately.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: Why did she get cut so much?
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: So they loved her personality. She's got an amazing personality.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: She's active LDS. She was the only cast member, I believe,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: at the time that was Mormon, because I'm no longer Mormon.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, actively Mormon. Oh, and you were raised Mormon. Okay.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: I was raised Mormon, but I'm not anymore. But she
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: was active LDS and they wanted her to argue with
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: Heather because she and Heather were friends. And she's like,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: I'm Christian. I'm not willing to fight about my religion.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: Like that goes against everything. And they were just like,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: you're a waste of time. I think they told her
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: she was a disappointment. Like they were brutal with her.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: So anyway, I was throwing a baby shower for her
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: and Monica came and Heather was there as well. I
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: didn't know what was going on with filming at the
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: time because I'm out of the loop. And I didn't
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: sense tension, but they weren't talking. And I was like, oh, shit,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: something must be going down here. I don't know. I'm
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: not caught up on the show. But my guess is
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: they don't get along great, but maybe they do. How
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: are they on the.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: Show right now? Monica and who? Heather. Right now I
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: think they're kind of okay.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: It wasn't bad.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: She is kind of like. You know, dropping the rumors.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: The rumors via Jen.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: I did hear that.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: So the rumors. What are the rumors?
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: So Meredith, I guess, you know, doesn't like this girl, Angie.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: Angie Kay.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: Angie Kay, the brunette.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, I would imagine. And I honestly don't.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: Know why they don't like each other. I can't remember why,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: but there's a reason.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: Probably because when Angie first came on, she came on strong.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: I think what had happened, and Angie and I are fine.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: If I see her, I'll give her a hug, whatever.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: I think what had happened is Angie had auditioned several
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: times for the show. And in my experience, I think
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: when she came on season three, she was just coming
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: as like Lisa's guest, Jen's guest. She wasn't cast. And
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: so she would immediately start going for people to get
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: that camera time, in my opinion.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: I can't speak on her behalf. I think it appears
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: like that. I think it was pretty obvious.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: I think it appears obvious now.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: To be fair to her, she would say, no, I
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: was defending my friend, right? But I think she came
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: on doing everything Lisa probably didn't want to do. Come
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: for me. Come for Heather. Come for Meredith. And I
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: think that's why they have a problem. That's my guess.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: Because I think in real life, show aside, they would
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: probably get along.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: So, well, then Meredith, I guess, doesn't like her for
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: those reasons. Didn't want her to come on the Palm
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: Springs weekend, but Whitney brought her. And probably because the
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: producers were like, I heard about this.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then, you know, and then Meredith is like,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: you can leave. I saw that clip. You can leave.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: And then she says to Lisa, she's like, do you
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: want me to talk to her and tell her all.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: The rumors about the husband? And so then Monica goes.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: I love Meredith's mannerisms so much.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: Then Monica goes, I know the rumor. And Whitney's like,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 4: don't say it. Don't say it on camera. Don't say it.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: Did she say it?
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: She said it.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: Monica, not Meredith?
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: No, Monica says it. And Monica goes, the rumor is
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 4: that her.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: Husband sleeps with men. And she said it harsher than that.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: And Whitney's like, so then Whitney goes, right away we
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: have to go tell Angie.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which is the right thing to do.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: Because now it's out on camera and like whatever.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: People don't realize the minute you say it on camera,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: it's over. Like game over. It's out there.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: But now you got to address it right.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: And you're, yeah.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: And- So then she– which I think was the ethical
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: thing to do because she could have not. And they
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: could have all talked about it. And she was like,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: I'm going to give her a chance to nip it
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 4: in the bud or whatever.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: You know? So she goes and tells her and she's like, what?
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 4: And then Monica's like, yeah, Meredith started it.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: Then she goes after Meredith to say it.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: That's interesting because I don't think Meredith would have ever
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: told Monica that. But maybe they did talk.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: I think that it's been one of those things that
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: goes around. And I guess because she's married to a
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: male hairdresser.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. which is typically a most male hairdressers are not straight. Right.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: But she's like, we've been together 25 years or whatever,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: and we have a daughter.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: And then, you know, he goes on Watch Robbins Live.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: He's sitting in the audience and he's like, you know,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: I have so many gay friends. I don't like that,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: you know, it's being thrown around like a negative thing.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 4: But what's negative about it is that that would mean
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: I wasn't being faithful to my wife, regardless whether it's
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: a woman or a man.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: It's just not true. Yeah. But he was crying and everything.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: So sad.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: But I'm like, I don't know. I wonder if you're.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: Going to go on this show and you're hurt, I
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: hope that she would have already had the conversation with him.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: I would imagine. This is probably going to come up
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: because we've heard it before.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: I think everybody, if they're smart, sits down with their
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: partner and says, what's going to come out? And you
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: have to assume, and I felt like I was very
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: aware going into it, Yeah. Anything I've done will come
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: out and you have to be OK with that, you know.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: And luckily, I've got a pretty clean slate. I had
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: some like a skeleton or two from my past and
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: I was like, if it comes out, I'll address it. Now,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: if you're somebody else who's dealing with like fraud and
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: sleeping with men. If you, again, that's fine. But if
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: you don't want that out there, why are you doing
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: the show? That's what I don't understand because I think
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: people still to this day think it won't come out.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: It won't come out.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: It won't.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: It will always come out.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 4: I do think, I do think though it, what sucks
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: now with the shows and it happened on New Jersey
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: too is, you know, Teresa out in New Jersey said, Oh,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 4: haven't you heard.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: The rumor about, uh, What's her name? Jennifer or Jackie.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: Jackie's husband, you know, gets with people at the gym,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: which could mean men or women, being that it's a gym.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: And she just throws it out there and she's like, what?
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: It's just a rumor. I didn't say it was true.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: I'm just telling you I heard a rumor.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, I think there should be, like, a lot, Bravo,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: that it can't– the storylines cannot be driven– by rumors.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: There has to be a lot to it.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: There has to be a guy saying, if there was
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: a guy that slept with this girl, then if you're
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: gonna manipulate the situation, that's fine. But have that guy
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 4: be willing to talk and have him Start doing someone's
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 4: hair on the cast in which they're filming. And him saying,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 4: it's my boyfriend.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: Whatever.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: It's not fair.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: There should be like more to it. I agree. Than
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: just this. I agree.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: And in my very brief experience, two seasons, I will
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: say if there's typically a lot of smoke behind something
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: before they make it an actual storyline. They don't like
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: the word storyline, but you know what I'm saying. It's
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: usually because people can throw out anything and they typically
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: don't pick it up unless there's. some basis to it
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: but I'm sure it does happen all the time where
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: it is just total BS so I don't know I
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: didn't know Angie or Sean before so I had never
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: heard that but I do know people on the cast
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: had heard that quite a bit and I have no
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: idea if it's true and if it's just because he's
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: a hairdresser that could be considered homophobic but to be
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: fair yeah you're right a lot of hairdressers are gay
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 4: But I mean I also just think it's a rumor
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: that goes a lot with with um you know, the
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: Mormon community just because they are forced to be straight,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: you know, or not forced, but like it's not accepted
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: to be gay and also get married young and.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: All of that.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: We get married young before we know who we are.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And a lot of ex-Mormons have come out as
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: gay because they didn't get to explore what they really felt.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: And it's unfortunate because it's like 20 years down the
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: line and then like you have kids and a wife
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: and Now you're getting divorced, and it sucks that they
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: didn't have that moment to explore that. That's where intense
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: religious communities can be dangerous, in my opinion.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I like Whitney. I like that she's honest about it.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 4: How she and her husband got together.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: She owns it. And you have to. I think they're
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: a fun couple.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Enough people knew about that story. She had to
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: just like own it the minute she got on TV.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: And I think that's the right approach. Same with Monica
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: and sleeping with the brother-in-law.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: Because I had heard that and I didn't even know Monica.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: Now, the only thing I said that I think no
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: one thinks about with Monica. She has every right to
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: make– it seems like she does need this job.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: Yes. It seems like she's not rolling in it.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: She's very– But the only thing I thought about where
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: it sucks is whoever the brother-in-law is married to.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 4: Like maybe that was something that she forgave her husband
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 4: for and was like, they're getting divorced. But like you
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: and I, let's just get the fuck away from my
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 4: brother and his ex-wife. And you and I are going
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 4: to live on this mountain in Utah and raise our kids.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 4: Someone, you know, is like, you know, your ex-sister-in-law that
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: slept with your husband four years ago.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: Is talking all about it.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: And now the blogs are probably trying to figure out
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: who he is.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: And posting his picture.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and finding that woman that's just like, hey, how
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 4: many women that her husband had an.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: Affair but they chose to stay with him?
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: And you know what I mean?
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: And so it's like... It's just so.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: People don't realize, like, how irresponsible your truth can still be.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: You know? Like, I was close to Whitney.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: That's a great line.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: That's actually a really interesting line, how irresponsible your own
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: truth can be.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: Because I was really close to Whitney, and we're fine now. But, like,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: that whole jazz game thing when she and Heather were drunk,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: and she made these claims that Heather and I were
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: accusing Lisa of. BJ's for jazz games, right?
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: For tickets to the games, right?
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: Not true at all. A conversation that was solicited by
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: her down the road saying, do you think this could
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: happen or has happened? And I'm just like, there are
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: certain people on the cast that become a liability because
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: they don't know how to say it or not to
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: say it.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: And that conversation, so you're talking with Heather and Whitney.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: Never the jazz games. Never happened at a jazz game.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: You're just out. Cameras are not there.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: Cameras are not there. You're just chatting as three girls.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: I invited them as my guests. And that's the things
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: As your guests to the jazz game?
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: They were my guests on New Year's Eve. Heather and
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: I were in the front row. She was in the
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: second row. Maybe she was mad about that.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: Whitney?
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: Because it was me, my husband, me, Heather, and our
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: oldest daughter.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: And then right behind us were Whitney and Justin. And
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: she kept leaning in to hear what we were saying.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: So it makes sense she would have got anything we
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: would have said wrong. Plus, I would never be talking
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: shit on the front row. People can hear you everywhere, right?
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: So later on, she called me. What she was trying
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: to say in the drunken mess was, hey, do you
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: think Lisa's ever hooked up with this guy who we
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: had pointed out at the jazz game, but not in
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: that context?
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: And he is someone who would be able to give
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: you tickets? I don't want to say who he is.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's never given me tickets. I barely know
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: the guy. I don't talk about the guy.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: So he's not an owner.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: He's just somebody that has access to tickets.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: No, no, but he's someone who has access to tickets, who's.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: Rich, and Lisa's friends with him.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: So Whitney said, do you think anything's happened there I
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: said I don't know but I always wondered something like
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: that and that was it and that turned into blowjobs
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: for jazz tickets simply because he was there we were
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: there and his name had come up but not in
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: that context at all and so it just turned into
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: this nightmare Well, the good news.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: Is, is that I am honest about that I'm not
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: great at a blowjob. And I, so I still think
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: that rumor will ever happen about me.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: How many blowjobs have you given outside of your, have
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: you only given a blowjob to your husband?
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: Basically, I think there was maybe one other person.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: Like a half?
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: I was a virgin until I was 27.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: And so, yeah. That's hilarious. So I always say, I
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: don't think I have a lot of experience. I don't
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: think I'm great.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: You're not great. I feel like there's articles out there.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: I'm okay.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that there's probably, so I'm like,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 4: And quite honestly, I have a very small mouth.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: I think girls that are better.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: Have a wider jaw.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: No, because think about this. Think of vaginas. The smaller
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: the vagina, the better the sex. So let's reframe that.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: Put it out there that you give a great blowjob.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: Okay. Let's rewrite history. You know, stop changing the narrative. No, anyway. Yeah,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, that was another thing. thing that was like.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: In that moment, I realized Whitney's a liability to me.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: And she's not going to like that I said that,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: but that's the reality. Like, I like her well enough,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: but I can't have her around me because... But also,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: I just think like... It wasn't, yeah.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: People that are wealthy, that are friendly, and Lisa is a....
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 4: A pretty woman, but she's also on TV and stuff.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: And I'll tell you, as someone who has a little
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 4: bit of fame, people sometimes want to.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: Be your friend.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: And they want to give you tickets. Yes.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: And you don't have to blow anyone to have somebody
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: throw you a favor.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: Or invite you to their house.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: Or take you on a trip. I never thought for
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: a second when she had his tickets it was because
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: of a blowjob. I never thought that.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: If it was a 23-year-old girl that's all of a
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: sudden in the front row, I would say, yeah, probably
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: this chick is... Or maybe the first time, you don't
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 4: have to do anything. The fifth time, you got to
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: be doing something.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: The first time, you can go on the jet. Second time,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: get on your knees.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: What do you call it? A hooker light?
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a hooker light. But I think, yeah, like that's
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: the first ticket to see if.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: Let me invite you and see if I can like
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: see how much.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: You're willing to... Let's see what you're willing to do.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: Do for a bag and a this and a that.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: But just.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: A 40-year-old woman that you're friendly with and the guy's like, hey,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 4: maybe your boys would like to go to this game.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: Here you go. Yeah.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: I mean, I've had people give my boys and I
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: tickets to a Laker game and I've blown nobody.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: Because probably you're a public person and they want to
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: get to know you.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: And we run in the circles and they have the tickets.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: They bought the thing. They have so many tickets.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: Well, and if you have season tickets, you don't go
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: every night. No. Like, it's too much.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah. And they'll say, hey, we— you know,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: we're not going to this event.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: Would you like to go? Yeah, that happens. And nobody
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: has to give a blowjob for that.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: And that's why Heather was so pissed because she's like,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: I never said, what are you talking about? You know,
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: it was a private phone call Whitney and I had
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: had where she asked me my thoughts.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: Oh, and that was the fight where they were in
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: the lingerie. Well, aren't you glad you didn't have, did
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: you have to be in the lingerie?
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: You didn't go to that.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: No, I did not go.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: And I didn't, I.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: Definitely had sympathy for Lisa, who's like, I don't want
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: to take off my makeup and do drag makeup.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: And Meredith, I don't want to wear a wig.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: I didn't see that.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: And Mary, I don't want to get in a costume.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: I understand that... Do they push for that too, producers,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: that you have to have a theme and get in
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: weird outfits every time?
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: They just... There's always like a shtick or a let's
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: take this to the next level, a gimmick or whatever.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: And.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know that they necessarily push for that, but
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: I think they have to make it entertaining, obviously. Yeah. So, yeah.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I thoroughly have enjoyed talking to you. Thank you.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: I think you've made the right decision for your life.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: I've never regretted it.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 4: And you have a bunch of things kind of going
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: on that I think are really interesting that you can
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: help people with. So let's just talk a little bit
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: about how they can follow you and what you're working
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 4: on with your different endeavors.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: So I've tried to take, I was an influencer before
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: this because I love fashion. So I've tried to kind
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: of take what little fame I got from the show
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: and make it work for me. And use my platform
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: for good. I've always been very philanthropic and passionate about that.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: I think it's the little Mormon girl in me that
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: was taught to serve others.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Christian service. Yeah.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: I do my Christian service.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: I still am like, there's still that part of me.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: It's like, I'm still trying to get the brownie points
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: to heaven. So, um, I, uh, we, I just joined
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: a board called Wolverines Elevated for autistic, uh, folks that
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: want to go to college and folks, um, with Lower
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: IQs like Down syndrome kids. I didn't realize that there's
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: not a lot of programs for those kids to be
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: educated after high school.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: So we're doing a big charity event at our home
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: and we're going to raise money for that so that
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: they can get jobs that are meaningful to them. So
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: I'm really proud to do that. I'm in L.A. right now.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: I attended a baby to baby event. I attended the
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: Wags and Walks animal rescue event. So I'm trying to
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: get more involved in the charity space, which I love.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: You can find me at Angie Harrington on mostly Instagram.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: And I'm a weirdo. I talk about aliens and supernatural
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: and paranormal and all that. So you believe the aliens
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: have come.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've had my sister and I have both
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: had very paranormal experiences that we can't deny. So I've
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: been a believer long before it was cool. Like, My husband,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: we would go to some of his executive dinners and
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: he'd be like, okay, so can we not talk about
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: Bigfoot tonight?
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, the Bigfoot. Do you think that was Bigfoot that
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: we just saw?
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: I think so.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: Well, the interesting thing about- That's how TMZ is reporting
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: on it.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: I love it. I definitely believe in aliens and all that. Bigfoot,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: I believe it's something. I don't know what it is.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: And what's fascinating is So my friends own Skinwalker Ranch.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: You're familiar with the show on the History Channel, Skinwalker Ranch?
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: It's like the biggest scientific studied paranormal hotspot in the world.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: And that's in Utah. And there have been sightings on
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: Skinwalker Ranch and other places where when someone sees like
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: a Bigfoot or a werewolf, there's oftentimes an orb or
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: a UFO. So the theory is it's interdimensional potentially where
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: like something's coming in, whether it's through a wormhole or
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: which I think Einstein, this is where my nerd, my
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: big nerd comes out. I think Einstein actually was the
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: first to talk about wormholes and how things come in
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: from other dimensions. And when we do see those creatures
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: that are unexplained, like cryptids, things like that, there's oftentimes
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: a UFO sighting as well, which I find so fascinating.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: I haven't been able to figure out what it is yet.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: So the jury's out on Bigfoot for me, but I
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: definitely believe in aliens. And I kind of have the
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: hots for aliens, I'll be honest.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: Do you think they are coming from multiple different planets
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: or they're all from the same planet?
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: I think some come in from other planets, multiple. I
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: also think some are coming in through wormholes. That's how
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: they get here so quickly. It's like you're going through
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: something that transports you here. And then I also think
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: they're interdimensional. I think some are here on the planet
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: with us, but it's different dimensions that they go through.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: That's why some clairvoyants can see things because it's the
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: The veil or whatever you want to call it is
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: thin for them. And so that's why they're seeing things.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: So I think there's multiple ways to see them.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: So do you believe in psychics and mediums?
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: I do. I think you can also be ripped off
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: by a lot of them. I think you have to
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: be really careful. But we did an alien party at
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: my house on Housewives. It was amazing. We manifested. We
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: actually got UFOs on camera and it didn't make it
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: in scenes. which is wild.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: Wait, what do you mean?
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 4: You're saying there's footage of UFOs in Utah from your party,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 4: and they just gave it to the government?
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: Where is it?
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know. That's a good conspiracy. Maybe that's what happened. No,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: I think producers had something planned for Dana. Do you
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: remember Dana last season? Dana and I had a fight.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: I didn't include her in my event, and I didn't
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: realize she was on the cast yet because it was
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: a brand-new season. And so because they don't tell you
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: who they cast. So that didn't happen. I went up
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: to her and I was like, I'm so sorry. I
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: didn't realize you were on the cast. Like I totally
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: would have invited you. So it didn't get cut because
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: it wasn't relevant to an argument. Does that make sense?
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: So what we did was we did this theory called–
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: it's by Dr. Stephen Greer. It's called– I can't remember
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: what it's called, but it's human-initiated contact with aliens via
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: meditation theory. And they come in supposedly interdimensionally. And we
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: literally pulled out our cameras. You can ask Whitney. You
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: can ask Heather. You can ask Meredith. They were all there.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: And flying saucers were on our camera. So the producers
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: picked it up. They were there. Producers even went and
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: did this method on their own, like in Joshua Tree,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: and sent me pictures of UFOs flying above them. But
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: it didn't make the scene. So I don't know that
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: it was a government thing or if it was a
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: credibility thing or what. Or it just didn't pertain to
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: storyline at the time.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 4: So what do you feel about– we might have to
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: cut this and put this in.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: A different show.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: It's fine.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: But what do you feel about like The Matrix?
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: I think– I haven't watched The Matrix forever.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 4: I've never even watched The Matrix, but I'm watching these
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 4: TikToks where people are kind of saying weird Matrix things
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 4: that have happened to them.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: It's like– This is where conspiracy comes in and it's tough.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: And how would you explain it?
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 4: Like there's different dimensions or like you have two separate,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 4: like you have a whole other life going.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: In like a different dimension. There's a whole other Heather
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  Speaker 1: doing something.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of theories on that. That I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: What I do believe is when we see things we
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: can't explain, like ghosts are always iridescent or when people
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: are seeing these orbs or these aliens or these werewolves,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: I think it's like a TV channel. Remember the old
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: ones from the 80s? You would like turn it and
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: it would be fuzzy and then you would turn it
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: and it would get a little bit clearer. That's kind
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: of what it's like to see into other dimensions. In
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: my opinion, from what the research I've done is like
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: this world we see through such a narrow glass, you know,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: like we see things just from our perspective. But I
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: believe there's stuff all around us, you know, and that
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: would be like the tuning in. And apparently you can
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: tune in.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: But.
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  Speaker 2: There's stuff that's kept from us because people like to
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: control that information. That's the idea. Now, I don't know
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: if that's true. And it's hard to talk about this
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: stuff because I don't want to sound like a conspiracy
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: theorist because some of this is very real. And I
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: think it's really important that it gets taken seriously.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: So I saw this girl on TikTok.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: I love your TikTok.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 4: And she's like a woman like, you know, around my age, whatever.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: And she goes, all right, I'm going to tell you
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 4: this story. And she's like, there was this kid in
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: kindergarten named Steve Anderson or something. And his name was
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 4: Steve Anderson. And I went to, I left and went
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: to another school.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: Then he went to that.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: And like different, he followed her in all these different schools.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: And they were just like, she's like, oh, that's so weird.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 4: But they went from like New York to Chicago to
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 4: Connecticut to whatever.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: Then she's in college, like, doing Europe. And they're supposed
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: to go on this pub crawl, like, with this host.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: The host doesn't show up. They decide to do their own,
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: and they go to this weird underground bar or whatever.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: And who shows up but the guy?
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 4: And it's like, how does this guy keep showing up
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 4: from all these different parts of her life? Now she's
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 4: in her 40s or whatever, and she's at work, and
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 4: her co-worker is engaged to him.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: Like, and they jumped multiple states, right?
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 4: And then she goes, okay, now I'm going to film
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 4: something without my family.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: Knowing what is going on. Okay. So she is filming
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: her husband in the morning. She's like, hey, good morning.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: She goes, hey, when we rented that house, who owned it?
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: And he goes, the Andersons, this other house. And she goes,
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 4: and when we bought this house, what was the name
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 4: of the owner of this house?
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: And he goes, Andersons.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: Then she goes to her son and she goes, remember
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 4: your imaginary friend when you were little?
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: And he goes, yeah. And she goes, what was his
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: name again? He goes, Anderson.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: Wild.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: Wild.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: And I was just like, and so some people thought
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: there's something, maybe the Steve Anderson guy and his, and his,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 4: and her parents were both in the CIA or something.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 4: That was the only other thing that would make sense
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 4: other than this being just, Way too fucking weird of
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: a coincidence.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: But it still doesn't make sense why he ended up
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: at that bar.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: See, I don't think there are coincidences. That's where kind
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: of my paranormal mind comes in. In my opinion, that
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: could be a pre-life where he was very much involved
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: in her life. Because we take the same people with
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: us as we reincarnate, I believe.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: Don't know for a fact. Nobody does. But we take
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: the same people with us and they come in different forms.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: So that could have been a father figure before. That
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: could have been a child before. And they want to
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: stay in touch somehow on some level, you know, because
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: our spirit just enters new bodies as it comes and goes.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: And that happens a lot. Like there's there's children who
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: are only four years old. They can remember the house
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: they lived in, what their name was. And then parents
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: will go look. And sure enough, in the 1920s, some
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: man named Melvin, whatever, lived on this street in LA.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: And there's like, people have recordings of like little kids
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: saying stuff.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: It's wild.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: So I do think there are no synchronicities. For example, 32,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: 23 are two numbers that have always been significant in
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: my life. Your room is 232, which I've No surprise,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: but like you're the only Bravo podcast I really listen to.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: And I thought it was interesting that I asked to
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: come to your podcast and you were 232. I was like,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, of course she's 232. And then Heather and I,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: this is when I knew we were BFFs, was we
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: have the same four digit code on our phone and
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: it is those number sequences. And I was like, what
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: are the freaking odds we would have the same four
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: digit code? Like there's probably thousands of four digit codes.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: So I think weird synchronicities like that.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: I think when you make yourself aware of it.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: It does manifest more.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: It totally manifests more. I agree. And I also think
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: it can work with people who have passed. Like I
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: remember I was at like a girls weekend and I–
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: I told this story that I love about my dad
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: that he would absolutely love. So I tell the story
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: about my dad. And then I go to the spa.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: It's such a girl's story, but I go to the spa.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 4: And she's like, oh, I'll take you to your locker.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: And the locker was 34.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 4: And that was my dad's number for football.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: But that is what he used for every bank code, everything.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: It was always 34, 34, 34, 34, 34. And like
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: right then it's like, oh, you're number 34.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 4: And I just was talking about him and it was
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 4: like he would have absolutely loved that story because it
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 4: was super interesting and super flattering to his life and
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 4: that he would be impressed that I remembered it. And
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 4: so I'm like, I literally think he was sitting watching
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 4: us and then was like, made that happen so that,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 4: you know, oh, send her to Locker 34.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: Well, numerology, like the more you look into numerology, it's fascinating.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: Like how there's like a sacred geometry and sacred geometry
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: and how numerology is actually really a thing.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: It's fascinating. So if I ever did reality TV again,
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: it would probably be in the paranormal space. Yeah. I
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: would love to like. interview because I've hosted television before.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: I would love to go interview people who have like
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: evidence of paranormal experiences. That would be cool. That's something
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: I'm kind of working on.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: Cool. I love that for you.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: We'll see.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: I love that for you.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: I love that for me.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: 32, 32.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: Now I got to go change all my passwords. That's
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: not going to work anymore.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: And mine are not 34, 34. Those were my dad
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: and he is in heaven. Thank you so much, Angie.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: This was super fun.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: I'm so glad we got to know each other.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: It was a pleasure to meet you.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: Thank you. The car is beautiful. Where did you end
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: up going for it? This exclusive place that Dad has
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: connections with. They have more cars for more dealerships than
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: like anywhere else. You have to put me in touch.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: What's it called? It's Dune ADL.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: Where?
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: Dune ADL. There's an accent on the E. Do you mean... Yes,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: I got it on Dundale Cars.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 3: Lift?
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: Please. Are you going past Kimmage? Oh, Kimmage. No. Dundale Cars.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.