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8-31-26 - Who survived Broncos cut-down day?/No need for 3 QBs/Makar's MONSTER extension · The Appetizer Hour with Brett Kane

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  Speaker 2: Here's Hellinger doing a little dance. Now loads up.
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  Speaker 1: Fires middle to field.
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  Speaker 2: Wide open at the 50-yard line.
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  Speaker 1: Justin Jolie running away from everybody.
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  Speaker 2: How about 88 yards to the house?
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  Speaker 3: 88 yards with 8.08 to play in the fourth quarter.
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  Speaker 1: And it's all Broncos now.
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  Speaker 4: Jolie.
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  Speaker 5: Well, that guy, despite having a 88-yard touchdown, did not
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  Speaker 5: make the team. Now, there's a few different names from
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  Speaker 5: this cut-down list. And look, we can talk a little
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  Speaker 5: bit about preseason game number three. Consequentially, I don't think
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  Speaker 5: there's a lot to it. It did serve for a
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  Speaker 5: couple of different factors that we'll get to in a bit.
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  Speaker 5: But this is, I mean, today is kind of about
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  Speaker 5: who's on the 53 and who's not. And I would
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  Speaker 5: like to remind people, this is not done by any
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  Speaker 5: means because for the moment, the Broncos don't have a
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  Speaker 5: long snapper. So there is going to be still some
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  Speaker 5: moving and shaking. And I think for bone, he's going
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  Speaker 5: to come back to this roster. They're probably playing just some,
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  Speaker 5: some sort of roster games that you can do before
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  Speaker 5: the season starts. You bring a guy in the office
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  Speaker 5: and you say, well, we don't want to put this
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  Speaker 5: guy on waivers right now, so let's do this. We're
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  Speaker 5: going to cut you, but bring you back immediately afterwards,
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  Speaker 5: that sort of thing. A lot of people saw a
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  Speaker 5: couple of different cuts that made them upset.
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  Speaker 2: Jolie being one of them.
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  Speaker 5: And the other one being the letting go of Red Murdoch,
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  Speaker 5: putting him on waivers. Now, I have no idea. You know,
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  Speaker 5: Murdoch feels like the kind of guy that if he's
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  Speaker 5: put on waivers is going to get picked up by somebody.
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  Speaker 2: Hopefully not.
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  Speaker 5: But it feels like there was too much tape on him,
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  Speaker 5: too much stuff written about him, too many opportunities to
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  Speaker 5: get recognized to where somebody wouldn't take a chance. The
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  Speaker 5: biggest story coming out of this 53 is not Red Murdoch, though,
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  Speaker 5: and it's not Justin Jolie. It's Jonathan Cooper being put
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  Speaker 5: on that commissioner's exempt list.
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  Speaker 2: That's the biggest thing. They were trying to avoid it.
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  Speaker 2: They couldn't quite do it.
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  Speaker 5: You didn't know there was an initial wave of suspensions
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  Speaker 5: that came down a couple of weeks ago with guys
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  Speaker 5: who were in legal troubles. He was not on that list,
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  Speaker 5: and neither was Josh Jacobs in Green Bay. Both of them,
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  Speaker 5: I guess, teams were notified right before these cutdowns that
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  Speaker 5: these guys are going to be missing X amount of time.
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  Speaker 5: Don't really know yet. Now, Jonathan Cooper is to appear
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  Speaker 5: in court, I believe, today.
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  Speaker 2: I believe. It's sometime this week.
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  Speaker 5: And if I mean, depending on what happens during these
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  Speaker 5: court proceedings, the commissioner's exempt list is basically something that says,
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  Speaker 5: we aren't saying you're guilty and we aren't saying you're innocent.
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  Speaker 5: This is just a place to stash you for a
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  Speaker 5: minute while we figure things out. But him being on
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  Speaker 5: that commissioner's exempt list is the biggest news to come
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  Speaker 5: out of this because.
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  Speaker 2: As much as I.
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  Speaker 5: Loved Red Murdoch, or as much as you might love
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  Speaker 5: the potential of a Justin Jolie, these guys are death pieces.
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  Speaker 5: These are ones that they're either playing special teams or
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  Speaker 5: they're playing for you in a pinch if you've suffered
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  Speaker 5: a whole bunch of injuries. Jonathan Cooper is a really
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  Speaker 5: good pass rusher. Jonathan Cooper is somebody that.
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  Speaker 5: Has 27 sacks over the last three seasons. That is
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  Speaker 5: not a small player to your roster. That is a
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  Speaker 5: gigantic player to your roster. And so it becomes, how
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  Speaker 5: do you go about putting somebody opposite of Nick Benito
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  Speaker 5: that's going to also create havoc and wreck the quarterback?
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  Speaker 2: And you have guys that are.
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  Speaker 5: I think more than capable of filling that role and
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  Speaker 5: Jonah Ellis and hopefully Q Robinson and guys like that.
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  Speaker 2: The problem is.
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  Speaker 5: Those guys, we don't know if they can produce to
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  Speaker 5: the level that Jonathan Cooper can. When you are looking
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  Speaker 5: at people who put up production, Jonathan Cooper is production.
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  Speaker 5: And there's a couple of texts coming through saying about
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  Speaker 5: Jonathan Cooper, Brett, he did this and that to a woman.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not the one who kept him on the roster.
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  Speaker 5: All I know is the Broncos didn't once hesitate.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, what did he say * * * *
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  Speaker 3: me for?
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  Speaker 5: I thought initially, and I told you from the very beginning,
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  Speaker 5: when these charges went down and then a couple days
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  Speaker 5: later when he doubled down on them, had the, what
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  Speaker 5: do they call it? The, not restraining order. It was
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  Speaker 5: like the do not contact thing. And he went there
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  Speaker 5: and contacted them. That's like the dumbest charge you can get.
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  Speaker 5: It is don't go and see this person for X
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  Speaker 5: amount of time and immediately you go and do it.
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  Speaker 5: But I wondered, new ownership group, new coaching staff, and
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  Speaker 5: when I say new, I know they've been here for
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  Speaker 5: a few years, but they were new to handling a
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  Speaker 5: situation like this. And I didn't know if some groups,
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  Speaker 5: they just let you go immediately, some of them wait, whatever.
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  Speaker 5: They obviously made the decision to wait and let the
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  Speaker 5: legal process play out.
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  Speaker 2: And so.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know what's going to happen here after this
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  Speaker 5: week's court date, but you had to be prepared in
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  Speaker 5: a sense of you need depth now at defensive line
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  Speaker 5: to make sure you can basically cover your ass.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's it. So, in the case of the Broncos,
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  Speaker 2: they did that.
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  Speaker 5: They kept seven Interior defensive linemen, including guys like Awazurike,
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  Speaker 5: Savion Jones, Jordan Jackson, guys that I think were maybe
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  Speaker 5: on the bubble of making this roster, they all return.
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  Speaker 5: And then on the outside, what you have right now
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  Speaker 5: at edge is Benito, obviously, along with Jonah Ellis, Q Robinson,
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  Speaker 5: and Dondre Tillman. They kept all of their numbers together.
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  Speaker 5: they sacrificed other positions to make sure they were good there.
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  Speaker 5: And the texture says, running backs, there's the shocker. I
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  Speaker 5: wasn't shocked at all by this. If you're talking about
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  Speaker 5: releasing Jaleel McLaughlin, I don't think that that was as
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  Speaker 5: much of a surprise as anybody else. I had a
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  Speaker 5: feeling after, you know, that first preseason game, because.
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  Speaker 2: You know that J.K. Dobbins was on the roster. You
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  Speaker 2: knew that R.J. Harvey was on the roster.
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  Speaker 5: Had a feeling going into the preseason that Jonah Coleman
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  Speaker 5: was going to be, and then he had that first game,
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  Speaker 5: that one run, everything they said about him, and it's like, okay, well,
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  Speaker 5: Jonah Coleman's on here.
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  Speaker 2: Well, how many are you going to keep? And they
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  Speaker 2: kept Bidet over Jaleel McLaughlin.
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  Speaker 5: Why?
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  Speaker 2: Because he's a special teamer. And when you're talking about
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  Speaker 2: fourth running backs on a roster, that's what you got
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  Speaker 2: to play.
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  Speaker 5: I love Jaleel. I love the grindy nature of who
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  Speaker 5: he is as a player. But bottom line is, why
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  Speaker 5: is Tyler Bidet here? Because he plays on special teams.
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  Speaker 5: He's the protector on punts. He's the guy that overrules
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  Speaker 5: Sean Payton in divisional playoff games on fake punts. Jaleel
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  Speaker 5: doesn't do that. And I hate to say it so
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  Speaker 5: bluntly like this, but I think it's true. It's because
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  Speaker 5: he's small. And if he were sitting at the chair
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  Speaker 5: across from me right now, he'd probably want to punch
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  Speaker 5: me in the face for saying it, but it is
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  Speaker 5: like a reality of the situation. When you are the
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  Speaker 5: size of a Jaleel McLaughlin, you are very, very, a
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  Speaker 5: very specialized player.
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  Speaker 2: There's only been... a few that have been able to
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  Speaker 2: pull that off.
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  Speaker 5: I think part of the reason why Darren Sproles, who
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  Speaker 5: was about the same size as Jaleel McLaughlin, had such
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  Speaker 5: a long-standing career in the league was because, first of all,
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  Speaker 5: he was incredibly talented. But secondly, he was a returner,
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  Speaker 5: and a damn good one. And if you can add
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  Speaker 5: special teams to the mix, that's what keeps you around. Now,
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  Speaker 5: as far as some of the cuts that, again, I
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  Speaker 5: don't know if these are surprises. The one surprise I
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  Speaker 5: would say is that Dallin Bentley, out of all the
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  Speaker 5: guys that tied in, was the one that made the roster.
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  Speaker 5: You cut Joe Lee, you cut Lucas Kroll, you cut
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  Speaker 5: all these different guys, and he's the one that sticks around.
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  Speaker 2: That one was a surprise. Certainly the Murdoch one was
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  Speaker 2: a surprise.
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  Speaker 5: You cut three different draft picks from this class, and
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  Speaker 5: it's something that Jeff Legwald was talking about. The biggest
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  Speaker 5: story about the Denver Broncos heading into today with their
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  Speaker 5: 53-man roster is how remarkably similar that roster was to
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  Speaker 5: last year. Because you just don't see this kind of
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  Speaker 5: retention in the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: You don't.
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  Speaker 5: Even going down to, we haven't talked about the quarterbacks,
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  Speaker 5: and I've told you guys, it's because for me, it
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  Speaker 5: feels like whether you keep a third quarterback or not,
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  Speaker 5: and I, again, am pretty shocked that Sam Ellinger is
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  Speaker 5: still here on this roster as the third stringer. I
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  Speaker 5: heard him after the last preseason game. He was asked
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  Speaker 5: the question about, would you rather be a number two
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  Speaker 5: somewhere or a number three here? And he said, this
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  Speaker 5: is the best third string quarterback job in the entire league.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I didn't know what to make of it. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know exactly what that means.
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  Speaker 5: But when he said that, my eyebrow kind of cocked
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  Speaker 5: up and I said, well, that's a weird thing to say.
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  Speaker 5: You know, most times when guys are in his position,
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  Speaker 5: they'll be like, yeah, you know, I love being a Bronco, but.
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  Speaker 2: Blah, blah, blah. There's always a button. There was no
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  Speaker 2: button there.
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  Speaker 5: He just said it's the best third string quarterback job
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  Speaker 5: in the league and we'll see. But the fact that
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  Speaker 5: he's still stuck.
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  Speaker 2: Around, it is one of those things where.
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  Speaker 5: I wonder, is it worth keeping a third string quarterback
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  Speaker 5: over a guy like a Red Murdoch? Is that worth
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  Speaker 5: it if Murdoch were to get picked up elsewhere?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I've already been on record.
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  Speaker 5: If you're down to your backup quarterback in almost, in
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  Speaker 5: most situations, if you're down to your backup, your season,
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  Speaker 5: your game, whatever length of injury your starter's out for
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  Speaker 5: is probably screwed anyway. Now, if you're worried about keeping
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  Speaker 5: a third guy here too, it only puts an exponent
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  Speaker 5: on top of that. But if you look at the roster,
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  Speaker 5: it's pretty crazy to see how remarkably similar it is.
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  Speaker 5: As far as new guys who made the team, it's
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  Speaker 5: Jonah Coleman, it's Jalen Waddell, It's Dallin Bentley. Your offensive line,
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  Speaker 5: it's Cage Casey. So that's four on the offensive side.
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  Speaker 5: And on the defensive side, I mean, that's what's really crazy.
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  Speaker 5: How many guys from last year returned to this roster?
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  Speaker 5: The answer, pretty much everybody. The only one that made
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  Speaker 5: the team that wasn't here last year, I think, is
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  Speaker 5: Tyson Anderson. You have one player on the defensive side
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  Speaker 5: that wasn't here the previous year.
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  Speaker 2: That's nuts. And I want to see how this experiment goes.
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  Speaker 5: Because you would think there's no negative to this. The
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  Speaker 5: Broncos weren't a 5-12 football team last year. They were 14-3.
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  Speaker 5: And by my count, there was maybe five roster spots
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  Speaker 5: that changed on the entire roster heading into this year.
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  Speaker 2: That's nuts.
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  Speaker 5: So broadcasting the back is in Shanker studios, serious lawyers
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  Speaker 5: for the seriously injured. A bunch more to talk about
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  Speaker 5: with this had Sean Pate or I'm sorry, George Payton yesterday, uh,
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  Speaker 5: last night talking.
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  Speaker 2: About some of these moves.
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  Speaker 5: We'll get you some of that audio have not had
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  Speaker 5: a chance to discuss the actual terms of kill McCars contracts.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get there as well. Stick around.
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  Speaker 5: We love the quarterback room.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, we stated that a lot. I mean, Sam, uh, city,
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  Speaker 4: we thought they both had really good off seasons, really
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  Speaker 4: good training camps and, and, uh, and in the games, um,
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  Speaker 4: Sam's a big part of this quarterback room. We didn't
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  Speaker 4: want to lose him. We felt we were going to
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  Speaker 4: lose him. He's too important to our team and just
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  Speaker 4: didn't want to risk doing that. Obviously, the game you
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  Speaker 4: played the other night was outstanding. We love the room.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to keep the room together.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I'm the first to admit.
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  Speaker 5: In Forrest Gump style, I'm not a smart man, but.
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  Speaker 2: I'm... Not a NFL GM. I'm not an NFL head coach.
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  Speaker 5: George Payton, Sean Payton know a million times more about me.
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  Speaker 2: Than roster building, but I do know numbers.
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  Speaker 5: Despite my track record during especially this hour when it
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  Speaker 5: comes to mathematics, doing.
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  Speaker 2: Math early in the morning is hard. Okay, that's it.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard.
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  Speaker 5: So I do occasionally mess some things up in the appetizer.
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  Speaker 5: But I have an ACT to prove.
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  Speaker 2: I'm good at math. Nelly, I tested out of mathematics
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  Speaker 2: heading into college. Ooh la la, someone's going to get
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  Speaker 2: laid in college. So I do know numbers.
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  Speaker 5: I tell you that just to tell you. I'm an idiot,
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  Speaker 5: but I do know how numbers work. And here's how
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  Speaker 5: the numbers play out to me. Going into year three
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  Speaker 5: of Bo Nix, your backup quarterback has played exactly one
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  Speaker 5: football game. Your third string quarterback has played exactly zero snaps.
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  Speaker 2: Why?
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  Speaker 5: George Payton and Sean Payton feel this need to keep
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  Speaker 5: three quarterbacks on the active roster as opposed to a
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  Speaker 5: Red Murdoch is something that is sort of beyond my comprehension.
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  Speaker 5: Above my pay grade, if you will. Let me ask
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  Speaker 5: you guys a very simple question. whether it's special teams
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  Speaker 5: or injuries to your linebacker room that turn into somebody
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  Speaker 5: getting snaps, would Red Murdoch have played NFL snaps this year?
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  Speaker 2: The answer would be yes.
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  Speaker 5: Is Sam Ellinger going to play any NFL snaps this year?
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  Speaker 5: Not only is the answer hopefully not, It's almost assuredly not.
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  Speaker 5: That's what I don't get. And I think he's a
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  Speaker 5: fine player. But to me, to potentially lose a guy
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  Speaker 5: that seems to have some potential at a position, by
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  Speaker 5: the way, that is the weakest, I think, on your roster,
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  Speaker 5: especially on defense. Maybe not overall, maybe tight end. Tight
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  Speaker 5: end's got a lot of work to do. But On
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  Speaker 5: the defensive side, there is no question your weakest spot
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  Speaker 5: is linebacker. And as I've said, it's not because the
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  Speaker 5: guys who play there are bad players. It's the only
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  Speaker 5: spot on defense where you don't have all pros on it.
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  Speaker 5: You have that at interior defensive line. You have that
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  Speaker 5: on the edge. You have that at corner. You have
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  Speaker 5: that at safety. You have it everywhere else except for linebackers.
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  Speaker 5: If there was any place that maybe you should be
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  Speaker 5: willing to grease the skids a little bit on your
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  Speaker 5: 53-man roster, it would be that. Now, texture says this,
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  Speaker 5: and I did consider this as a question. Are they
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  Speaker 5: keeping three quarterbacks for trade potential?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I watched last night as all these teams
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  Speaker 5: were trying to get down to their 53 and you
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  Speaker 5: saw some quarterback deals being made. You know, you watched Miami.
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  Speaker 5: They traded for the Packers backup Kyle McCord for a
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  Speaker 5: sixth round pick.
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  Speaker 2: You had another trade.
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  Speaker 5: I can't remember who it was, but another quarterback was
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  Speaker 5: dealt from somewhere to go do something. But quarterbacks traded
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  Speaker 5: midseason is exceedingly rare unless the guy is pretty proven.
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  Speaker 5: You know, like a Joe Flacco can get traded midseason.
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  Speaker 5: But that's because he's a veteran, and it's like if
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  Speaker 5: you're going to ask somebody to step into your roster
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  Speaker 5: and start playing pretty quickly, learn a new offense, you'll
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  Speaker 5: take the vet guy to do it. The guy with experience,
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  Speaker 5: playing time experience.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: Like they are concerned about Sam Ellinger being picked up,
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  Speaker 5: and my concern is when is he going to play?
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  Speaker 2: And Ellie, I just DM'd you something.
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  Speaker 5: It's from Scotty Gange after that third preseason game. He's
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  Speaker 5: talking to Sam Ellinger. in the locker room. And I
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  Speaker 5: suppose they were still kind of in a battle for
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  Speaker 5: who's the backup quarterback, even though I think it stood
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  Speaker 5: them this entire time. Now, Ellinger played great in that
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  Speaker 5: final preseason game. Had the one bad pick, but was
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  Speaker 5: 15-20 for 230 yards and three touchdowns. And Scotty Gange
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  Speaker 5: of Nine News asked him, you know, Would you rather
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  Speaker 5: be the three here or a two elsewhere?
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  Speaker 2: Here's what he said. Sam, I asked you this question
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  Speaker 2: last year.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to ask it again this year. Would you
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  Speaker 3: rather be a number three quarterback here or a number
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  Speaker 3: two quarterback somewhere else? That's a good question. It depends
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  Speaker 3: on the situation for the number two. I know that
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  Speaker 3: this is probably the best number three job in the league.
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  Speaker 3: So we'll see what opportunities there are. Sounds good to me.
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  Speaker 2: Sam, I always enjoy talking to you.
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  Speaker 5: So that's what I'm talking about here. I don't know
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  Speaker 5: exactly what that means.
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  Speaker 2: You know? It's the best number three job in the league.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it very well might be. You're in a cushy.
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  Speaker 5: Situation with an offensive-minded team, offensive-minded head coach, good young
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  Speaker 5: offensive coordinator that is I mean, can relate to you
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  Speaker 5: because you're basically.
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  Speaker 2: The same age.
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  Speaker 5: Like, I understand all of that stuff. But from a
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  Speaker 5: Broncos perspective, Jarrett Stidham didn't take a snap in two years.
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  Speaker 5: When's Ellinger gonna? And if that's the case, again, from
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: a straight numbers perspective... Why not keep a guy like
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: Red Murdoch who's going to play?
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: I'm not like.
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: I want to be clear about something. I'm not freaking
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: out about the decision. I mean, when you're talking about
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: cutting guys who are at the end of your roster,
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to lose my mind over a Red
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: Murdoch or a Justin Jolie or Jaleel McLaughlin or anything
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: like that. But it just mathematically doesn't make sense to me.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: So.
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: A texter says, I think it's sheer stubbornness in spite.
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: Sean has said before he likes three quarterbacks on the
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: roster and seems willing to make a decision just to
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: prove a point. It's nonsensical, but in character. I don't
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: even know if that's it. Look, Sean Payton's not a dummy.
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: I know he is stubborn. He has a penchant for
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: the petty. But he's not going to cut talented people
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: because his ego.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Is in the way.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: I've really never seen, as much as we talk about
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: Sean Payton's ego from a decision-making standpoint, I don't think
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: that clouds his judgment all that much. He has a
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: lot of it. I think it does in the way
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: he speaks. I think when he talks to people, it
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: can get in his way. But he's not running a
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: fake punt on 4th and 11 at his own 38
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: in the divisional round of the playoffs in overtime out
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: of It's out of belief that he thinks it's the
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: right way to go.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: He's not... Oh, I just had another example in my head.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: What can I think of it? Can't remember.
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: Point is, I don't think that that clouds his judgment
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: from a strictly decision-making standpoint. I think when he's at
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: the podium, he does that a lot. Now, again, this
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: is not a finished product.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Of a roster. They still have to make moves. They're
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: going to bring Fraboni back.
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: Now, he might be a practice squad guy who gets
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: elevated or whatever, and that's the way that they handle that, sure.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: But they need a long snapper.
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: So there is still decisions to make, and it would
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: be wise to not make full judgments until the dust
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: kind of settles here and we start heading into that
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: first week of the regular season. Now, there was some
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: huge news around the league yesterday with Aaron Donald finally
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: signing his contract and he's coming back. This was like
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: the most predictable thing in the world. I'm not participating
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: in training camp nor preseason games. The second that gets
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: done is when I'll sign. Now, as much as I've
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: been on record saying this, I think that Aaron Donald
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: is probably the most talented and best defensive player of
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: my lifetime. I have never seen somebody dominate a game
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: the way that he has dominated it. From that position
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: to be on the interior of a defensive line and
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: have 20 sacks is, I think, borderline impossible. And that's
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: how good he is. But he's been out of the
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: game for so long, I think there is some questions
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: on his ability just to come back and pick up
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: the same level of play as he did from three
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: years ago.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: But he signs a.
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: One-year $ 20 million deal, so the Rams now have Miles
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: Garrett and Aaron Donald and Trent McDuffie and all these
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: guys on defense now that should make them probably the
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: preeminent favorites to win the Super Bowl. I just, it's
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: a wild thing. When you look at a guy that
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: dominant now joining a defense and specifically defensive line that
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: also has Myles Garrett on it after acquiring him in
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: the offseason is nuts. I do want to get to
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: the Cale contract here in a little bit. Speaking of numbers,
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: I mean, and it was a gigantic number. I think
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: even for somebody who thought Cale McCarr was signing a.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: The richest contract in the history of the league.
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: I don't think anybody had the specific number that it
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: came down to for him.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, for him to go out and sign a
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: deal that.
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: Is over $ 20 million a year, 20.4.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: There's a big detail in this.
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: And I'm going to say something here in a little
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: bit that is going to sound to, I think, the layman,
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: the uninitiated, the dense. It's going to sound stupid, but
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: it's not. So we'll get to that in just a
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: couple of minutes. But some text coming through here. And also,
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: by the way, on the Kale McCart thing, we will
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: carry His press conference live today at 1 p.m.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, 1 p.m. It'll be live right here on 92.5.
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: Texture says the real tragedy is losing the name Manjack.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Totally agree.
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: When you have a name of Joseph Manjack IV, it
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: doesn't get any better than that. Here's another text coming through.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: Do you carry two spare tires in your car? No,
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: you carry one. If you get a flat, you slap
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: the donut-sized spare on, change your plans, and limp to
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: a tire store. Same concept for backup quarterbacks. If Knicks
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: goes down, you can't get on the freeway and cruise
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: along at 85. Your plans have changed. I think the
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: same way. Like, I don't... There was a time in
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: the NFL where every team carried three quarterbacks.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: And probably... And part of that, I think, was effective.
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: It was also just the way you did business, so
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: nobody really batted an eyelash at it. But you have
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: the ability to go practice squad now, and I would
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: just keep a guy in the practice squad. I don't
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: see the point in carrying a third quarterback on your
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: active 53.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: To me, that's a matter of it's staying.
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: Prepared for a situation that will almost never occur.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: It's like getting, what, volcano insurance here?
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: I mean, you could use the, well, you never know.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: And I guess, yeah, maybe.
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: Maybe there's some active volcano that we don't know about
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: that's right underneath my house.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: I have no idea.
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: But it would seem like a very unnecessary thing to
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: be prepared for. I want you guys to put yourself
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: in this situation for a second. Imagine the thing that
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: happens last year, knock on wood, somehow happens again. You're
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: in the thick of a playoff race. You're competing for
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: the division. It's like week 14, and Bo Nix goes
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: down with an injury. He has to miss multiple weeks. Well,
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: now you have Jarrett Stidham starting with Sam Ellinger as
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: the backup. And then Jarrett Stidham goes down. Just on
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: the surface, I give you that. How do you feel
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: about the Broncos' chances to keep things afloat? The answer's terrible.
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: And I think this was just, it felt like to me,
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: the year to make a decision. Is Jarrett Stidham still
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: the backup? Are you going with Sam Ellinger? Maybe a
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: little bit more youth, a little bit whatever. It just
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: felt like an unnecessary plan. So, 303-504-0925. If you didn't
• 31:13
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• 31:16
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• 31:19
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• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Thanks to Bud Light, the official beer sponsor. of the
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Denver Broncos. So, here's the deal.
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: Kale McCarr signs this contract and there's a whole bunch
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: of dummies that I saw afterwards.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Well, I'd rather have a Darnell nurse at $ 8 million
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: than Kale at $ 20.
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: Here's what the dummies don't understand. Despite signing for by
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: far the largest contract in the history of the league,
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: I still kind of feel like Kale did the team
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: a favor.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: I'll explain next.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Out there with Natchez and McKinnon.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Landeskog wins it for McKinnon.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Hands it off.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: McCarr. Far circle.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: McCarr.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: He scores!
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: Oh, Kale!
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Kale!
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Goes in three straight games!
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: For the great number eight.
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: And Colorado has the lead back at six to five.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: So Kale signs his extension.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: We knew that. We didn't know the term.
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: I was initially blown away when I saw the number. $ 20. 4
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: million a year over eight years.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: It's a lot.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: But it's something I had to remind myself of. This
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: isn't taking a discount, but this is doing at least
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: a little bit of a favor.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Let me explain.
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: You make $ 20. 4 million a year. The big favor is
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: I'm making $ 160- some million plus before the end of my career. Like,
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: Cale's going to finish his career making probably over $ 200
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: million playing hockey.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: But here's the point.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: If.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: His concern was solely about making cash.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Here's how he could have done it. And the abs
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: were over a barrel.
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: They would look when you're negotiating and you're in the
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: avalanche situation, the front office's situation. Here's how negotiations go.
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: Please don't hurt me too bad. Whatever they say is
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: going to be yes. Kale would have been like, yeah,
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: I want $ 20. 4 million a year and the rights to
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: your second born child. And you just have to be like.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Well, you're a Hall of Famer. Okay.
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: What he could have done if he was interested in
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: making the most money possible, we've seen this.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Nathan McKinnon, when he signed his contract, which was the
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: richest in the NFL at 12.5 or $ 12.
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: 6 million a year, years ago is now chump change. $ 12. 6
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: million for one of, if not the best player in
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: hockey compared to, you know, a, a Celebrini getting 18
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: and a half.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: It's a steal. And McKinnon's got Still this year.
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: Next year, the year after that, the year after that,
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: and the year after that on $ 12.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: 6 million per year. Five more at a steal of
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: a price. Why?
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: Because when you sign a long-term deal in a sport
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: where the cap continues to rise at really exponential factors,
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: In a few short years, the contract that you initially
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: sign will not seem that bad at all. Now, Cale
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: is going to be one of the highest numbers in
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: the league for a while. But what Cale could have
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: done is said, I want $ 20. 4 million per year over four.
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: By the time you get to that fourth year, Kale
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: will be 31 years old. Guess what he's due for?
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: The richest contract in NHL history again. In eight years
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: for Kale McCarr, 27 years old, his game's not even
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: going to drop off by the time this thing ends.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Ideally. I mean, I don't think it's going to. He's
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: the kind of player that looks like he's going to
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: be doing this for a long time. It's a big number.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: It's not like he took a discount.
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: But I think getting him locked in and essentially what
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: Joe Sackick said, making him an Av.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: For life, just happened.
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: And it'll take a few years, but that number's going
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: to sting a lot less once you see that cap
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: continue to go up, number one. Number two, having a
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: Hall of Famer locked up for his entire career, thumbs up.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Great job.
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: Texture says the only favor Kel might have done for
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: the team is price out Quinn from Minnesota. It's a
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: byproduct of it, right? I like getting it done earlier
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: rather than later. But yeah, Quinn Hughes is now looking
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: at that number saying, what, 20.4? Well, that's the new
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: price for me now. But the other thing is this.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Guess what? He's worth it.
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: All I'm saying is, when you look at the numbers,
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: it's going to be difficult here to navigate in the
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: next couple of years because you were already pressed up
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: against the cap. Even though the cap is going up,
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: Kale McCarr just ate all of it. And so you're
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: going to have to make some decisions. I mean, I
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: think this essentially means that Lekanen's gone after this year.
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: I don't know how you'd be able to bring him
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: back without doing some real moving and shaking around the
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: roster because you're still going to need a backup goalie
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: after this year. You're going to need a number of
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: different things, as every team does when you head into
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: an offseason. You're going to have expiring contracts that maybe
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: you can't afford to bring back, and that's just what
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: it is. But there's no other option here. You either
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: pay that freight or you let him walk. Well, guess
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: what's not happening?
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: That.
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: But I'm telling you, in just a few short years,
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: as much as that price made you go, what? A
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: hockey player making $ 20 million.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: A year in what world? I don't think.
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: That there's anybody on the planet that would not have
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: said yes immediately to the contract.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Because what's your other option?
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: A texter says, Kale gave us a team-friendly deal on
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: his last.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Deal, only getting $ 9 million. Plus, at that time, the
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: cap was much tighter.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: It helped.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: It helped. He has more than that now. That's the
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: other thing.
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: I think that everybody's willing to take some discounts and
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: help out the team occasionally, but sometimes it's just like,
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: you know what?
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: It's my turn. That's it. It's my turn. I'm next up.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: I want this just the way it goes and there's
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: again this wasn't a negotiation with Cale you have the
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: check you sign the bottom of the check You leave
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: the number undone, and you say to Cale, write it down.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: Now, what this does do, I believe, it puts almost
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: like rocket fuel.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: In the idea of let's go get it.
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: Because if you don't get a cup, especially this year
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: with some decisions to make down the line, it's going
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: to be incredibly difficult to navigate this stuff. But there is,
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: and I think you can see it, you know, there
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: might be other deals coming or whatever, but Lekanen's going
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: in the last year of his deal and Bednar is
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: on one year left on his contract, which is exceedingly
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: rare for a.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Coach to have.
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: But I think that's all kind of putting this ball
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: of the idea of If we don't win the cup,
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: we're going to have to do things a lot differently
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: moving forward. The only thing we aren't doing differently is
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: we aren't having a team without Kael McCarr on it.
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: So again, 303, 504, 0925. Texas Avs and Nuggets are
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: never going to win another championship. Overpay way too many players.
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: There's no overpay for a Hall of Famer in the
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: prime of his career. I'm just telling you, there is
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: no overpay. It's like saying that the Chiefs overpaid Patrick Mahomes.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: No, you didn't.
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: You paid a Hall of Famer in the primers of
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: his career exactly what the Hall of Famer's worth.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: It always astounds me.
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: It's like, do you not like having Hall of Famers
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: on your roster?
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: You draft them to do this. That's the point.
• 41:42
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