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Mega Edition: The National Forest Serial Killer (Part 1-2) (9/18/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. In 2008,
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Speaker 1: after a woman named Meredith Emerson went missing, a man
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Speaker 1: named Gary Michael Hilton was arrested for her murder. But
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Speaker 1: what the authorities found in the aftermath of Gary Michael
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Speaker 1: Hilton's arrest would shock even the most seasoned investigator. So
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Speaker 1: today we're going to take a look at who Gary
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Speaker 1: Michael Hilton is and we're also going to look at
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Speaker 1: the transcript of his confession for the murder of Meredith Emerson. Now,
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Speaker 1: to get things started, what we're going to do is
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Speaker 1: we're going to dive into the Wikipedia article and lay
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Speaker 1: the groundwork as to who Gary Michael Hilton is and
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Speaker 1: what his crimes were. And then after that, we're going
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Speaker 1: to dive into the transcript and get a look inside
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Speaker 1: the mind of a sick degenerate. So, first things first,
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Speaker 1: let's establish a foundation. Gary Michael Hilton, born November 22nd, 1946,
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Speaker 1: Known as the National Forest Serial Killer, is an American
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Speaker 1: serial killer responsible for four known homicides between 2007 and
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Speaker 1: 2008 committed in three states, all of which occurred within
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Speaker 1: the premises of National Forest. Sentenced to death in Florida
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Speaker 1: and to life imprisonment in Georgia and North Carolina, Hilton
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Speaker 1: remains a suspect in several other killings, including that of
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Speaker 1: Judy Smith. And I'm of the mind that Gary Michael
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Speaker 1: Hilton has many more bodies to his name. You don't
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Speaker 1: just wake up in your 60s and decide you're going
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Speaker 1: to start killing people, right? This is something that is
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Speaker 1: going on probably your whole life. So my guess is
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Speaker 1: Gary Michael Hilton has many more victims that we don't
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Speaker 1: know about and will probably never know about. The murders.
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Speaker 1: John and Irene Bryant. On October 21st, 2007, a retired
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Speaker 1: couple of avid hikers living in Horseshoe, North Carolina, John, Jack, Bryant, 80,
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Speaker 1: and Irene Woods Bryant, 84, left for a hike through
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Speaker 1: the Pisgah National Forest, leaving their parked maroon Ford Escape
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Speaker 1: at the Yellow Gap Road near U.S. Route 276. After
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Speaker 1: not hearing from them for two weeks, family members reported
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Speaker 1: the couple as missing to the Henderson County Sheriff's Office,
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Speaker 1: who promptly launched a search for the Bryants consisting of
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Speaker 1: more than 30 volunteers, cadaver dogs, and a helicopter. Through
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Speaker 1: examining their phone records, it was learned that Irene had
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Speaker 1: attempted to call 911 on the day of their disappearance,
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Speaker 1: but the signal was lost and the call was dropped.
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Speaker 1: On November 10, 2007, the search party located the body
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Speaker 1: of a woman on the Barnett Branch Trail covered with leaves.
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Speaker 1: Suspecting that it might belong to Irene, they sent it
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Speaker 1: to the state medical examiner's office in Chapel Hill to
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Speaker 1: perform an autopsy. Three days later, the body was positively
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Speaker 1: identified as that of Irene, who had been bludgeoned to
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Speaker 1: death with a blunt instrument. And you'll notice this is
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Speaker 1: a pattern for Gary Michael Hilton. He likes to use
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Speaker 1: a blunt instrument to do his killing. As this was
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Speaker 1: now considered a homicide perpetrated on federal land, the FBI
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Speaker 1: launched an investigation with a reward of $ 10, 000 to whoever
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Speaker 1: could provide information leading to the killer. Simultaneously, it was
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Speaker 1: revealed that a bank card belonging to the Bryants had
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Speaker 1: been used to withdraw $ 300 from an ATM in Ducktown, Tennessee.
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Speaker 1: with the surveillance cameras showing an older Caucasian man wearing
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Speaker 1: a yellow rain jacket whose hood was obscuring his face.
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Speaker 1: By this time, John was still considered a missing person,
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Speaker 1: possibly abducted by whoever had killed his wife. On February 3rd, 2008,
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Speaker 1: Mark Waldrop, a hunter, discovered a skull in Nantahala National Forest,
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Speaker 1: just off the Forest Service Road, known as the Switchbacks.
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Speaker 1: After calling the local deputy for assistance, the duo investigated
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Speaker 1: the scene. Upon closer inspection, a pelvis and spine were
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Speaker 1: located about 20 yards from the skull. Since there was
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Speaker 1: no clothing or identification near the remains, the bones were
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Speaker 1: sent to the medical examiner in Chapel Hill to identify
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Speaker 1: the decedent. After two days, it was positively identified as
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Speaker 1: that of John Bryant. Cheryl Dunlap On December 3, 2007,
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Speaker 1: 46-year-old Cheryl Hodges Dunlap, a resident of Crawfordville, Florida, did
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Speaker 1: not appear at her church in Tallahassee where she taught
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Speaker 1: Sunday school. Considering this behavior to be unusual, her family
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Speaker 1: reported her missing on the following day after her abandoned car,
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Speaker 1: a white Toyota Camry, was located north of the county line.
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Speaker 1: Approximately five days later, a search party around 180 people
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Speaker 1: was organized to help locate her, and despite initially being
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Speaker 1: unable to find anything, the members still hoped that they
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Speaker 1: would locate Dunlap alive. On December 16th, 2007, Ronnie Rents,
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Speaker 1: a hunter passing through the woods in the Apalachicola National
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Speaker 1: Forest with his dogs, discovered the decapitated, decomposing body of
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Speaker 1: a white woman, immediately reporting the finding to the state authorities.
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Speaker 1: As they were initially unsure whether the body was Dunlap's,
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Speaker 1: it was sent to the medical examiner, who confirmed it
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Speaker 1: was indeed hers via DNA profiling. Classifying her death as
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Speaker 1: a homicide, authorities announced that they were looking for a
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Speaker 1: Around the time, Dunlap disappeared, driven by a man who
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Speaker 1: had used her ATM card five times in Tallahassee, withdrawing
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Speaker 1: $ 700 from her account. Over the next few days, numerous
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Speaker 1: tips were submitted to the police, some of which were
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Speaker 1: about a strange homeless man with a dog who was
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Speaker 1: driving a green 2001 Chevrolet Astrovan, but this lead did
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Speaker 1: not lead to any arrest. Around this time, rumors began
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Speaker 1: circulating that a serial offender was operating between Georgia and
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Speaker 1: and Florida. Still at the time, the Leon County Sheriff's
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Speaker 1: Office stated that they were investigating the case as an
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Speaker 1: isolated homicide. Meredith Emerson On New Year's Day of 2008,
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Speaker 1: 24-year-old sales manager Meredith Hope Emerson decided to go for
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Speaker 1: a hike along the Freeman Trail on Blood Mountain in
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Speaker 1: Georgia's Vogel State Park. She was accompanied by her dog Ella,
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Speaker 1: and according to several witnesses, they had observed a mysterious
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Speaker 1: older man with his dog following her. On January 3, 2008,
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Speaker 1: authorities located her 1995 Chevrolet Cavalier where they found various
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Speaker 1: items such as her water bottle, a dog leash, and
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Speaker 1: a police baton. That day, further investigation into the man
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Speaker 1: seen following Emerson revealed that he was 61-year-old Hilton, a
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Speaker 1: local drifter, known for his strange behavior and vicious temper.
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Speaker 1: He often walked his dog Dandy along the trail. Since
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Speaker 1: its revelation, he was announced as a person of interest
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Speaker 1: in the case, with police requesting that they officially interrogate
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Speaker 1: him about the case. A day after this announcement, Emerson's
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Speaker 1: dog Ella was found wandering at a Kroger parking lot,
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Speaker 1: returned to Emerson's family. On January 5, 2008, authorities located
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Speaker 1: numerous items belonging to Emerson inside a dumpster near a
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Speaker 1: QuickTrip parking lot in Cumming. Her bloodied clothing, wallet, driver's license,
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Speaker 1: a University of Georgia ID card, and a blood-stained car seatbelt.
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Speaker 1: The Suspected Victims On September 7, 1997, several human bones
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Speaker 1: and personal items were found in Pisgah National Forest, scattered
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Speaker 1: near a campground. The decedent was eventually identified as 51-year-old
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Speaker 1: hiker Judy Smith, who was last seen in Philadelphia five
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Speaker 1: months earlier on April 10, 1997. It has been speculated
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Speaker 1: that she might have been a victim of Hilton, who
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Speaker 1: had left one of his victims in a similar condition
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Speaker 1: near where Smith's body was discovered. 20-year-old Jason Andrew Knapp,
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Speaker 1: a Clemson University student, was last seen by his roommate
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Speaker 1: at their residence in University Terrace Apartments in South Carolina
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Speaker 1: on April 11, 1998. His roommate said that Knapp was
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Speaker 1: watching a movie approximately at 10.30 p.m. that evening and
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Speaker 1: authorities found Knapp's white 1990 Chevrolet Beretta abandoned nine days
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Speaker 1: later On April 21, 1998, the vehicle was parked at
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Speaker 1: Table Rock State Park in Pickens County, South Carolina. He
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Speaker 1: was declared legally dead in 2018. Due to similarities to
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Speaker 1: his other known crimes, Hilton was proposed as a suspect,
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Speaker 1: but he denied the connection to Knapp. Hairdresser Patrice Marie
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Speaker 1: Tambor Endres Patrice was 38 when she disappeared from her
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Speaker 1: hair salon, Tambor's Trim and Tan, in Cumming, Georgia. on
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Speaker 1: April 15, 2004, between 11.37 and 11.50 a.m. Her remains
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Speaker 1: were found on December 6, 2005, in Dawson County, Georgia.
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Speaker 1: Hilton was known to have been in Forsyth County because
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Speaker 1: he had been stopped for a traffic violation there. In
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Speaker 1: his statements to investigators, Hilton told them that he would
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Speaker 1: usually go to hair salons to ask for money, usually
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Speaker 1: around lunchtime. Investigators were unable to find an alibi for
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Speaker 1: him on the day of Patrice's disappearance. 26-year-old Rosanna Malani,
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Speaker 1: who was a hiker from Miami, Florida, was last seen
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Speaker 1: at approximately 12 p.m. at the Ramada Inn Hotel in Cherokee,
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Speaker 1: North Carolina. Malani called her father from the hotel that
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Speaker 1: day and told him that she was going hiking on
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Speaker 1: the Appalachian Trail. A store clerk who read about Malani's
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Speaker 1: disappearance recalled she had sold a backpack to Malani and
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Speaker 1: an unidentified white man in his 60s in Bryson County,
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Speaker 1: North Carolina in 2005, Following Hilton's arrest, the store clerk
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Speaker 1: contacted authorities to note the similarities between Hilton and the suspect. 27.
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Speaker 1: A South Daytona resident went missing on November 21, 2007.
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Speaker 1: A few weeks later, on December 6, his death was reported.
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Speaker 1: remains were found by a fisherman in Ormond Beach, packed
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Speaker 1: in black bags which had been dumped in the Tomoka River.
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Speaker 1: The remains were not immediately connected to Lewis, with identification
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Speaker 1: occurring several days later by a lab in California. His
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Speaker 1: head was never located. Authorities stated that while Hilton remains
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Speaker 1: a suspect in the murder and was in the area
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Speaker 1: at the time, he's not the only one. Arrests, trials, imprisonment.
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Speaker 1: Five hours after police found the items linked to Emerson,
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Speaker 1: Hilton was arrested, thanks to two anonymous phone tips, which
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Speaker 1: claim that he was vacuuming his van at a local establishment.
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Speaker 1: He was transferred to the county jail, where he was
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Speaker 1: subsequently charged with kidnapping based on the material evidence connecting
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Speaker 1: him to the case. While he was being held at
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Speaker 1: a federal prison in Atlanta, the search for Emerson's body
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Speaker 1: continued in a 90-square-mile area of the Chattahoochee National Forest.
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Speaker 1: Upon examining his van, the same 2001 Chevrolet Astro as
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Speaker 1: reported earlier in tips by witnesses, authorities noticed that it
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Speaker 1: was missing his rear car seatbelt, which matched the one
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Speaker 1: located among Emerson's personal items. In exchange for dropping the
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Speaker 1: death penalty against him, Hilton agreed to reveal where he
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Speaker 1: had disposed of Emerson's remains, leading the investigators to the
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Speaker 1: Dawson Forest management area. She had been decapitated, but the
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Speaker 1: coroner determined that it had been done post-mortem in an
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Speaker 1: attempt to prevent identification. Hilton claimed that he had abducted
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Speaker 1: her to steal her bank cards and pin code, and
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Speaker 1: that he had repeatedly hit her with a tire iron,
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Speaker 1: causing her death. He later pleaded guilty to her murder.
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Speaker 1: and was sentenced to life imprisonment with the possibility of
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Speaker 1: parole after 30 years. In September 2009, a hiker found
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Speaker 1: camping supplies believed to belong to Hilton, which were then
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Speaker 1: turned over to the Florida authorities for use in the
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Speaker 1: upcoming Dunlap trial. About a month later, Florida prosecutors charged
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Speaker 1: Hilton with Dunlap's murder, claiming that forensic evidence linked him
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Speaker 1: to the slaying. Despite his efforts to fight his extradition,
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Speaker 1: Hilton was brought to Leon County from the Georgia Diagnostic
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Speaker 1: and Classification State Prison in June of 2008 and was
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Speaker 1: remanded to await trial for the Dunlap killing. Attorneys Inez
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Speaker 1: Suber and Stephen Bean, who specialize in capital murder cases,
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Speaker 1: were hired as his public defenders. At his trial, prosecutors
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Speaker 1: claimed that Hilton had abducted Dunlap from the Leon Sinks
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Speaker 1: geological area and held her captive for two days. before
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Speaker 1: eventually killing her and decapitating her body. He had also
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Speaker 1: attempted to eliminate potential evidence by incinerating her head and
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Speaker 1: hands in a fire pit before finally dumping the body
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Speaker 1: in the forest. Hilton's defense team claimed that there was
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Speaker 1: no forensic evidence, that he had committed the murder while
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Speaker 1: the prosecutors countered that Hilton had claimed on tape that
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Speaker 1: he had disposed of Dunlap's body, but then deliberately tried
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Speaker 1: to distance himself from it. After hours of deliberation, the
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Speaker 1: jury found him guilty on three out of four charges
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Speaker 1: with a recommendation to impose the death penalty. On February 22, 2011,
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Speaker 1: he was officially sentenced to death for the crime and
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Speaker 1: sent off to Florida's death row. In 2012, Hilton was
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Speaker 1: brought to trial for the third time for the murders
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Speaker 1: of John and Irene Bryant, and as part of a
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Speaker 1: deal with the prosecutor, he admitted to his guilt in
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Speaker 1: the killings and was sentenced to an additional life term
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Speaker 1: without the chance of parole. During the hearings, Hilton described
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Speaker 1: how he had killed Irene on the spot and then
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Speaker 1: kidnapped John to extort his bank details, before shooting him
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Speaker 1: in the head with a. 22 Magnum, then dumping his body.
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Speaker 1: During and after his trials, criminal profilers from the FBI
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Speaker 1: and agencies from across the country attended the proceedings to
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Speaker 1: interview Hilton. According to criminologist Eric Hickey, Hilton was likely
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Speaker 1: responsible for other homicides before 2007, a claim supported by
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Speaker 1: other veteran profilers who were skeptical that Hilton had begun
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Speaker 1: killing in his 60s. In 2018, Hilton unsuccessfully attempted to
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Speaker 1: overturn his death sentence, citing his defense team as dysfunctional
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Speaker 1: and ineffective. Both state and federal authorities denied his appeal. Alright,
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Speaker 1: so now that we have set the foundation and we
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Speaker 1: all know who Gary Michael Hilton is, in the next episode,
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Speaker 1: we're going to start taking a look at the transcript
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Speaker 1: of his confession. All of the information that goes with
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Speaker 1: this episode can be found in the description box. What's
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Speaker 1: up everyone and welcome back to the program. In the
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Speaker 1: previous episode, we were talking about Gary Michael Hilton and
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Speaker 1: the crimes that he committed. Well, in this episode, we're
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Speaker 1: going to start taking a look at the transcript of
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Speaker 1: him admitting to the murder of Meredith Emerson. The transcript.
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Speaker 1: The transcript of a recorded interview of Gary Michael Hilton
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Speaker 1: And that's your key for who is speaking. So if
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Speaker 1: I say G.M.H., That's Gary Michael Hall. If I say, um, CB,
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Speaker 1: that's Clay Bridges. If I say JC, that's John Cagle.
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Speaker 1: And attorney Neil Smith obviously is NS and so forth. CB.
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Speaker 1: All right, Mr. Hilton. Basically, I'm going to ask you
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Speaker 1: aspects about what happened, okay? UI, you know where Highway
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Speaker 1: 9 is, Dawson Forest, and all that stuff? Tell me
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Speaker 1: what's the quickest way to get there. I mean, I'm
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Speaker 1: not as familiar with it as Cagle was. Hilton, well,
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Speaker 1: we want to get to Georgia 400 and Dawson Forest Road,
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Speaker 1: so it's, uh, CB, take a left, go down to,
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Speaker 1: what is that? 400, you know which way to 400
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Speaker 1: from here, don't you, Sheriff? SS, yeah, I do. CB, huh? SS,
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Speaker 1: if you want to take 400, then that's the way
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Speaker 1: you go. CB, what we might do is when we
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Speaker 1: get down the way, we'll, we'll get out, we'll get
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Speaker 1: you out of the vehicle and let you smoke one
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Speaker 1: if that's okay. Gary Michael Hilton's asking for a cigarette. Hilton, okay. CB,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if the attorney wants you to smoke
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Speaker 1: in between us. You know, I'm not a smoker myself. Hilton, yeah,
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Speaker 1: forget it. I don't have any. CB, okay, well, we'll
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Speaker 1: certainly try to work things out with that. But basically,
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Speaker 1: did you know Meredith Emerson before the other day? When
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Speaker 1: did you come to Herbert Reese Trail up there? What
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Speaker 1: day did you arrive up there? Hilton, probably about two
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Speaker 1: to three days before. CB, two to three days before? Hilton, uh-huh.
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Speaker 1: Or it was, you know, I can't tell you the
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Speaker 1: exact date. CB, so it was probably December 28th? Hilton,
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Speaker 1: I don't even know what the date. CB interrupts him
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Speaker 1: somewhere around there. Hilton, the, uh, the thing occurred. CB, okay,
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Speaker 1: all right. Hilton, I don't know the date or it
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Speaker 1: was the first. Now I know, I didn't even know
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Speaker 1: it was New Year's or not. Okay, it was two
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Speaker 1: or three days. CB, okay, two to three days before. Hilton, uh-huh. CB, okay,
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Speaker 1: and did you camp specifically at that location or... Hilton, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I did stay in my vehicle there. Of course, there
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Speaker 1: is no camping allowed in the parking lot there. However,
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Speaker 1: by being discreet... CB, right. Hilton, offloading a little out
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Speaker 1: of the van, I was able to stay in the
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Speaker 1: van in the parking lot and in the parking lot. CB, okay,
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Speaker 1: all right. And at what time or when did you
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Speaker 1: first become aware of her? When did you first see her? Hilton, uh,
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Speaker 1: on the mountain. At the intersection of the Herbert, uh,
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Speaker 1: Reese Connector Trail and at the Appalachian Trail at that intersection. CB, okay.
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Speaker 1: How did you start a conversation up with her? Hilton, dogs,
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Speaker 1: you know, people that have dogs. Dogs are gonna meet.
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Speaker 1: And anytime I encounter someone with a loose dog, specifically...
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Speaker 1: which both of ours were, a larger dog, I immediately
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Speaker 1: determine the sex of the dog because I have a
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Speaker 1: male and I don't allow my dog to meet adult males. CB.
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Speaker 1: So you asked her what sex her dog was? Hilton. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that kind of thing. And she stopped at the location
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Speaker 1: to eat some trail mix and to give her dog
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Speaker 1: some water. CB. Okay. And what happened after you spoke
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Speaker 1: briefly about the dog? Hilton. Then we both started up. CB.
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Speaker 1: Started up. Hilton, yeah, towards the summit. CB, up that way. Hilton,
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Speaker 1: AT westbound. The AT is, yeah, westbound uphill. It was
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Speaker 1: westbound uphill towards the summit. CB, okay, and did you
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Speaker 1: hike together? Hilton, for a distance, and then I was,
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Speaker 1: I'm sick with my MS, and I did not even
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Speaker 1: really attempt to stay up with her, really. CB, right. Hilton,
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Speaker 1: so she went on ahead. CB, okay. Hilton. I then
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Speaker 1: told her, you know, we chit-chatted about, I don't even know,
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Speaker 1: you know, whatever, you know, during the time that we
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Speaker 1: were together. CB, okay. Hilton, you know, we would have
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Speaker 1: spoken about something or the other, and I don't even know.
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Speaker 1: Because you, anytime you walk up, that's the most heavily
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Speaker 1: used state hiking trail in the state of Georgia, by
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Speaker 1: the way. It's full of people. It's full of dogs.
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Speaker 1: So you talk to a lot of people. As well as,
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Speaker 1: you know, I was seen with her. CB, right. Hilton,
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Speaker 1: so we talked, and then she was moving on ahead.
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Speaker 1: She was carrying nothing to speak of except a fanny pack.
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Speaker 1: Not enough to be hiking up there, but no one is. CB, right? Hilton,
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Speaker 1: no one is, on that trail, equipped to be up there.
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Speaker 1: On the mountain, especially in that kind of weather. Nobody is,
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Speaker 1: except me. CB, right? Hilton, I carry about 20 pounds
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Speaker 1: physically because for that kind of hike, you know, in
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Speaker 1: the daylight. CB, right? Hilton, she outdistanced me, and I
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Speaker 1: said I'll let you go on ahead. CB, did you
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Speaker 1: form an opinion at that point, or did you form
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Speaker 1: an idea at that point that you wanted to abduct her? Hilton, yeah. CB, okay. Hilton,
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Speaker 1: this was driven really by nothing but the will, the desire,
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Speaker 1: to obtain her cards and her PIN number. CB, that
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Speaker 1: was the sole purpose you wanted her cards and her
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Speaker 1: PIN number? Hilton, yeah. And rather than pick a guy
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Speaker 1: who would fight back or a couple... Who might really fight?
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Speaker 1: You know, CB, right? Hilton, because if you want a
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Speaker 1: card and pin number, the guy fights you and you
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Speaker 1: gotta kill him. Well, where are you at? CB, right? Hilton,
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Speaker 1: you know. CB, right? Hilton, so I felt it would be, well,
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Speaker 1: I knew it would be easier to establish control over
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Speaker 1: a female, any female. CB, right? Hilton, then it would
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Speaker 1: be a male. Not that I couldn't whoop a male,
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Speaker 1: but once you whip him, I might be left holding
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Speaker 1: the bag, so to speak. CB, right, right. Okay, when
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Speaker 1: did you come back in contact with her after she left? Hilton,
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Speaker 1: on her return trip down. I was still more or
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Speaker 1: less on the way up. CB, okay, what did you do? Hilton,
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Speaker 1: walked up, walked along with her. CB, okay, did you
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Speaker 1: guys talk? Hilton, yeah. CB, what'd you guys talk about? Hilton, well,
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Speaker 1: I shouldn't say I walked along with her. We were
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Speaker 1: just in loose contact on the trail. She was ahead
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Speaker 1: of me a good bit, of course. It's a single
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Speaker 1: track trail anyway. CB, right? Hilton, you can't walk abreast. CB, okay. Hilton,
21:39
Speaker 1: and so, you know, I would be in proximity to her,
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Speaker 1: and sometimes she would be ahead of me. Again, it was,
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Speaker 1: we talked of nothing. I can honestly tell you, I
21:47
Speaker 1: don't know nothing, you know, just I don't know. I
21:50
Speaker 1: talked to a lot of people that day. And, you know,
21:52
Speaker 1: I'm not avoiding, evading, you know, anything like that. And
21:56
Speaker 1: CB says, know her specifically. You had decided to abduct
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Speaker 1: her when you met her on the trail. Hilton, well,
22:03
Speaker 1: I should say potentially. CB, she was a good potential
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Speaker 1: person to get. Hilton, potentially. CB, her cards and pin number. Hilton, yeah,
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Speaker 1: if nothing else, better came along. CB, okay. Hilton, if
22:18
Speaker 1: anything better came along, potentially. Hilton, okay, all right. How
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Speaker 1: did you, basically, you turn back down the Herbert Reese Trail? Hilton,
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Speaker 1: Herbert Reese Trail. CB, okay. Hilton, the act occurred, the
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Speaker 1: demand occurred, at the point where the water bottles and
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Speaker 1: baton were found and the leash and the dog treats. Okay,
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Speaker 1: says CB. Hilton, that's going to be where the demand occurred. CB, okay,
22:43
Speaker 1: and by the demand, what are you saying? Hilton, give
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Speaker 1: me your credit cards and your pin number. CB, okay.
22:51
Speaker 1: And when you did that, when you said that, did
22:54
Speaker 1: you produce the baton? Hilton, no. CB, or what did
22:58
Speaker 1: you produce? Hilton, a knife, a bayonet. The bayonet is
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Speaker 1: probably still up there. I lost control and thought she fought.
23:06
Speaker 1: And as I read in the paper, she's a martial artist. Hilton,
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Speaker 1: she fought and she grabbed the knife. CB, okay. Hilton,
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Speaker 1: I lost control of the knife. CB, okay. Hilton, and
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Speaker 1: she grabbed the knife blade and slightly, very slightly, cut
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Speaker 1: her hand on the webbing between her thumb and finger.
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Speaker 1: I was not aware of that until later on. And
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Speaker 1: I said, where'd you get that cut at? She said,
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Speaker 1: when I grabbed the knife. but she grabbed the knife
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Speaker 1: and fought. CB, okay. Hilton, then I produced the baton,
23:33
Speaker 1: and she fought that, and I lost control of the baton,
23:35
Speaker 1: and I'm good too. This girl, who was, I think
23:39
Speaker 1: it was you probably, or one of your GBIs, said
23:41
Speaker 1: that little 120-pound girl whipped your ass, so she about did.
23:46
Speaker 1: So I produced the baton, I lost control of the bayonet,
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Speaker 1: I produced the baton, grabbed the bat, then I lost
23:52
Speaker 1: control of the bat. CB, okay. Hilton, we stepped off
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Speaker 1: the trail, which is cut deeply into the slope, and
23:58
Speaker 1: we stepped off down the slope and tumbled down the slope,
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Speaker 1: so it was all down. CB, okay. Hilton, and at
24:05
Speaker 1: that time I dropped both the bat and the knife. CB, okay,
24:09
Speaker 1: so you went for the baton? Hilton, yeah, once your
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Speaker 1: opponent gets their hand on your weapon, you've lost control
24:15
Speaker 1: of it. CB, okay. Hilton, you may be able to
24:19
Speaker 1: regain it, but... CB, okay. Hilton, you lost control of it. CB, okay. Hilton,
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Speaker 1: your task is, especially in the baton, is not to
24:28
Speaker 1: let your opponent get a hold of it. Hilton, but
24:31
Speaker 1: I dropped both of them. When we stumbled down, the
24:33
Speaker 1: trail switched back at that point, so we tumbled down
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Speaker 1: the hill and landed on the trail down where it
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Speaker 1: had switched back. CB, alright, and then what happened? Hilton,
24:43
Speaker 1: I had to hand fight her, and that's where I
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Speaker 1: got this hand. I probably have multiple fractures in my
24:48
Speaker 1: right hand. Hilton, I was not in pain, and I
24:50
Speaker 1: don't think any of them are misplaced. CB, okay. Hilton,
24:54
Speaker 1: I had to hand fight her, and I still couldn't
24:56
Speaker 1: get control of her. She would feign or pretend that
24:59
Speaker 1: she was in control, and then start fighting again. So
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Speaker 1: I had to, I had to hit her a number
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Speaker 1: of times. CB, did you hit her every time with
25:06
Speaker 1: your right hand? Hilton, yeah. CB, okay. Hilton, straight in,
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Speaker 1: straight in punches. CB, the face, or... Hilton, yeah, or
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Speaker 1: in the head, or the head. CB, okay. Hilton, as
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Speaker 1: to what extent she was injured, there were two eyes
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Speaker 1: that were somewhat blackened. She may or may not have
25:25
Speaker 1: had a fractured nose. I checked with her a number
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Speaker 1: of times, and she was not in any pain, other than, afterward,
25:31
Speaker 1: she was not in any pain, other than a headache.
25:34
Speaker 1: I offered her and gave her aspirin. That was afterward,
25:37
Speaker 1: so I had to hand fight her and... CB, alright,
25:40
Speaker 1: hold on one second. CB, once you hit her in
25:43
Speaker 1: the head and the face, how many times would you
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Speaker 1: estimate that happened? Hilton... Really hard to say. She wouldn't stop.
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Speaker 1: She wouldn't stop fighting me. Then she would stop and
25:53
Speaker 1: she'd start fighting again and yelling at the same time.
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Speaker 1: So I needed to both control her and silence her. CB. Okay.
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Speaker 1: And what did you do when you got control? Hilton. Well, uh, okay. Well,
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Speaker 1: I got her to stop fighting and stop yelling. I said,
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Speaker 1: all I want is your credit card and PIN number.
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Speaker 1: Move off the trail. And there was a contour line
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Speaker 1: trail that went off the Herbert Reese Trail. In other words,
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Speaker 1: a closed trail. That was what contoured around out of
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Speaker 1: sight of the Herbert Reese Trail. And I said, move
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Speaker 1: in that direction. And she started moving. And then she
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Speaker 1: started fighting again. CB, uh-huh. Hilton. And we tumbled off
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Speaker 1: that trail downhill. Be able to find the marks of
26:34
Speaker 1: that where we tumbled off. It's not on the Herbert
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Speaker 1: Reese Trail, but it's a closed trail. and it's at
26:39
Speaker 1: the switchback where we fell. The Herbert Reese Trail switches back. CB, right,
26:43
Speaker 1: I'm familiar. Hilton, and this is, well, and you know
26:47
Speaker 1: where the bat was found. CB, yeah. Hilton, it just
26:51
Speaker 1: contours around out of sight. CB, by bat you mean baton. Hilton, baton, right. CB, okay. Hilton,
26:59
Speaker 1: she started fighting again, we both tumbled off the trail,
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Speaker 1: and I had to strike her several more times. CB, okay. Hilton,
27:06
Speaker 1: so I got control of her again. Quieted her down,
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Speaker 1: got control of her, kept her moving down that closed trail,
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Speaker 1: around the corner of the mountain, so to speak. We're
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Speaker 1: moving in a more or less northwestern direction, around the
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Speaker 1: corner of the mountain, out of sight of the Herbert
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Speaker 1: Reese Trail. And at that point, I produced a, uh,
27:22
Speaker 1: it's like a, uh, duck tie. It's like the handcuffs
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Speaker 1: that police use. Zip tie, CB says. Hilton, zip tie, yeah. CB, okay. Hilton,
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Speaker 1: except these are just commercial zip ties. 18-inch zip ties. CB,
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Speaker 1: you remember what color they were? Hilton, yeah, black. They're not, uh,
27:40
Speaker 1: you know, you need to get there, not, uh, he's just,
27:42
Speaker 1: you know, mumbling around a little bit here. CB, did
27:45
Speaker 1: you have a rubber band around them? Hilton, yeah. CB,
27:48
Speaker 1: we did find one. Hilton, yeah, I had. Oh, you did?
27:52
Speaker 1: So I zip-tied her to a tree, and I knew
27:54
Speaker 1: that I had to go and clean the crime scene,
27:56
Speaker 1: because I was aware that I had dropped all the stuff. CB, uh-huh. Hilton,
28:01
Speaker 1: so I had to go back to clean the crime scene,
28:04
Speaker 1: and I told her to be quiet and stay. CB, okay. Hilton, then,
28:08
Speaker 1: I went to clean the crime scene, but it had
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Speaker 1: already been found. See, I had saw the three out there,
28:13
Speaker 1: with three hikers that had found the things. They were
28:16
Speaker 1: no longer there. CB, okay. Hilton, and they were headed
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Speaker 1: down the slope. They were... CB cuts them off. Were
28:23
Speaker 1: you crouching behind a rock at this point, looking at them?
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Speaker 1: I began looking at them, and then I lay down
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Speaker 1: flat in the trail above them. CB, uh-huh. Hilton, because
28:33
Speaker 1: there's a trail that heads into a slope and someone below. CB, right.
28:37
Speaker 1: If you laid in that flat, you're like really right
28:40
Speaker 1: there for them to see. CB, right, right. So you
28:43
Speaker 1: could be insulated over here, so to speak. And I
28:46
Speaker 1: laid down on the trail and stuff was gone. CB, okay.
28:50
Speaker 1: What did you do at that point? Hilton went back
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Speaker 1: to her and cut her loose. And she was not
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Speaker 1: tied at all, except I put a loop around her neck. CB,
28:58
Speaker 1: what kind of loop? Hilton, just a nylon cord, 300
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Speaker 1: pound test. Just it wasn't even tied. It was like
29:05
Speaker 1: a loop slip knot. In other words, if you tie
29:08
Speaker 1: it a little. CB, not tied, a slip knot, right? Hilton, yeah.
29:12
Speaker 1: And I told her that we were moving down the
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Speaker 1: hill to the parking lot. And I went to the park.
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Speaker 1: We went to the proximity of the parking lot by
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Speaker 1: cross country. CB, I got you. Let me ask you this.
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Speaker 1: At this point, were our hands free? Hilton, yeah. CB, okay,
29:28
Speaker 1: you didn't have the zip ties tied. Hilton, no. CB,
29:32
Speaker 1: just had the loop noose around her neck? Hilton, yeah,
29:35
Speaker 1: and I told her I had a pistol, which I
29:37
Speaker 1: didn't have a firearm. CB, okay. Hilton, and now by
29:41
Speaker 1: that time I know from that time on. CB, uh-huh. Hilton,
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Speaker 1: she was compliant. Totally compliant. Alright, we're going to wrap
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Speaker 1: up this episode right here, and in the next episode
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Speaker 1: we'll pick up where we left off. All of the
29:54
Speaker 1: information that goes with this episode can be found in
29:57
Speaker 1: the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome back to
30:00
Speaker 1: the program. In this episode, we're picking up where we
30:03
Speaker 1: left off with the confession of Gary Michael Hall. She
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Speaker 1: was compliant, totally compliant. CB, okay. Hall, and I was
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Speaker 1: solicitous of her behavior, of her condition, and of her
30:18
Speaker 1: comfort from then on. My intent was not to torture. CB, okay, well, Hall,
30:23
Speaker 1: you know I, he gets cut off by CD, right?
30:27
Speaker 1: And Hall says, you know what I mean? CB, yeah, yeah,
30:29
Speaker 1: I understand that. Hall, I understood the situation. CB, let
30:34
Speaker 1: me stop you for just a minute, because me riding
30:37
Speaker 1: and looking down and going down that mountain, I'm going
30:39
Speaker 1: to get dizzy. Gary Hall, we can take a break
30:43
Speaker 1: if you want. SS, you want me to slow down
30:45
Speaker 1: a little bit? CB, nah, keep going, keep going, just
30:48
Speaker 1: take a little break till we get out to straighter ground.
30:51
Speaker 1: Are you warm enough? Hall, yes, thank you. CB, are
30:55
Speaker 1: you guys getting warm or... Then there's some background noise
30:59
Speaker 1: that's not picked up here in the interview. Hall, what
31:02
Speaker 1: are these markers for? Are they for speed determination out
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Speaker 1: here on the road? CB, uh, Hall, in other words,
31:08
Speaker 1: these calibrations on the road, I'm seeing them now all
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Speaker 1: over the place. Are they to determine speed by law enforcement? CB,
31:15
Speaker 1: I don't know. Hall, in other words, they put a
31:18
Speaker 1: stopwatch on it, and I don't, I'm seeing them all
31:20
Speaker 1: over the place, and that's the only. TD, those little ones? Hall, yeah,
31:25
Speaker 1: they're like ruler calibrations. TD, no, those are the ones
31:29
Speaker 1: that are when you approach on a turn. Hall O. CB,
31:34
Speaker 1: all right, so she was compliant and you made it
31:37
Speaker 1: down to the parking lot. Hall, proximity of the parking lot. CB, okay. Hall, proximity.
31:42
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, because you can camp legally 200 feet
31:45
Speaker 1: outside of the parking lot, camping is legal. So I knew,
31:49
Speaker 1: it's a level spot, so that I knew that it
31:51
Speaker 1: was about a little bit over 200 feet. CB, okay.
31:56
Speaker 1: And what did you do? What did you do at
31:58
Speaker 1: that point? Hall, then I secured her to a tree. CB,
32:02
Speaker 1: secured her to another tree. Hall, yeah. This would have
32:06
Speaker 1: either been with another twist tie or just with a
32:09
Speaker 1: nylon twine. And it would have been just, you know, quad,
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Speaker 1: quadruple knotted around her neck and quadruple knotted around the tree.
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Speaker 1: She was loose, in other words, so that it could
32:19
Speaker 1: not be readily untied. In other words, you've got four
32:23
Speaker 1: or five square knots. You can't just reach up and
32:25
Speaker 1: untie them. CB, all right, then what did you do? Hall, well,
32:30
Speaker 1: I told her. I told her I was going to
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Speaker 1: have to get her cards and her pin number out
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Speaker 1: of the car, which was in her purse. under the
32:37
Speaker 1: seat and I told her, CB, let me have you
32:40
Speaker 1: back up real quick. Did she tell you where her
32:42
Speaker 1: purse and pin and her cards were? Hall, yeah. CB, okay,
32:47
Speaker 1: how did she do that? I mean, did you ask her? Hall, yeah. CB,
32:51
Speaker 1: about everything? Hall, yeah, I told her about it from
32:54
Speaker 1: the beginning. CB, so what did she say? At what
32:58
Speaker 1: point did she tell you, okay, you can have it?
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Speaker 1: Once she was compliant? Hall, yeah, once I got her
33:03
Speaker 1: back around the tree, once she became compliant. CB, okay,
33:08
Speaker 1: she told you where her cards were at that point. Hall, yeah,
33:11
Speaker 1: she told me incorrectly, but it was just under the
33:13
Speaker 1: wrong seat. She said under the driver's seat, and it
33:16
Speaker 1: was actually under the passenger's seat. CB, okay, and did
33:20
Speaker 1: you tell her you were gonna go down and collect those?
33:23
Speaker 1: And what did you do? Hall, I told her we
33:26
Speaker 1: would have to wait, and I expected the law to
33:28
Speaker 1: be there. I feel that it would be determined by
33:31
Speaker 1: the people that found the equipment that I told you
33:33
Speaker 1: about if they had heard her yelling. CB, right? Hall,
33:37
Speaker 1: and voices carry what sounds carry forever up there. In
33:40
Speaker 1: the wintertime and cold air, they carry forever. So I
33:44
Speaker 1: felt that there was a very good possibility that the
33:46
Speaker 1: law would be there by the time we got there,
33:48
Speaker 1: because it took us probably 20 minutes to go cross-country
33:51
Speaker 1: and all. CB, uh-huh. Hall, and I had to take
33:55
Speaker 1: the securest, securest of routes, uh, you know, cross-country and
33:59
Speaker 1: work our way down. And so it took, you know,
34:03
Speaker 1: so I expected the law to be there. CB, right?
34:07
Speaker 1: By then, we were both getting cold. CB, okay, hold
34:10
Speaker 1: on one second. He answers his cell phone, then gets
34:13
Speaker 1: back to it. Hall, so by then, we were both
34:16
Speaker 1: getting cold. It's late in the day. It's wintertime. CB,
34:20
Speaker 1: how long do you think you waited to see if
34:22
Speaker 1: the law was coming? Hall, what time is sunset now? CB, 5.30. Hall,
34:28
Speaker 1: I think it's 5 now, about like... CB, well, actually,
34:32
Speaker 1: sunset is probably around. He gets cut off by Hall here. Yeah. No, no, no,
34:37
Speaker 1: it doesn't get any sooner than 520. Anyway, it would
34:40
Speaker 1: have been approximately right before sunset. Starting to enter dusk.
34:44
Speaker 1: CB about this time of day? Hall, yeah. CB, okay,
34:48
Speaker 1: so it's... 530 about this time of day? Hall, yeah. CB, okay. Hall, so... Where,
34:55
Speaker 1: as you know, if you have a clear sky and
34:57
Speaker 1: high pressure in place, soon as the sun goes down,
35:00
Speaker 1: the heat radiates right out and the temperature drops like
35:02
Speaker 1: a rock. CB, right? CB, right? Hall, you know, it's,
35:06
Speaker 1: we're both getting cold now. CB, okay. So I had
35:09
Speaker 1: my backpack on and my hiking stuff. As I say,
35:12
Speaker 1: I'm the only person on that mountain equipped to be
35:14
Speaker 1: hiking up there. Everybody else is just trusting their life
35:17
Speaker 1: to their footwork. CB, right? Hall, I've seen a guy
35:21
Speaker 1: break his leg up there and I know what it
35:23
Speaker 1: takes to get a person off that mountain. It takes
35:25
Speaker 1: at least four hours. Even if the call goes out
35:27
Speaker 1: about the time they hit the ground, it takes about
35:30
Speaker 1: four hours to get them down. I know because I've
35:33
Speaker 1: saw it happen. And so we were both getting cold,
35:36
Speaker 1: so I took my pack off and I gave her
35:38
Speaker 1: a fleece pullover, a red fleece pullover, which you probably found.
35:42
Speaker 1: It's a Columbia brand, and the material, it's called Omnitech.
35:46
Speaker 1: It's a Columbia, and it's red, and it's long. And
35:49
Speaker 1: I gave that to her. And then I didn't have
35:51
Speaker 1: anything for myself, but I had on a yellow jacket.
35:55
Speaker 1: So you'll also find in my stuff a yellow jacket, hoodless,
35:59
Speaker 1: hoodless Gore-Tex jackets, and I put on a pair of
36:01
Speaker 1: Gore-Tex pants. but I had nothing for my chest, and
36:05
Speaker 1: I also pulled out a something that's intelligible that I
36:09
Speaker 1: used as an emergency shelter, and I pulled that out,
36:11
Speaker 1: and I used the emergency shelter and wrapped that around
36:14
Speaker 1: her also. CB, okay. Hall, and then I went down
36:19
Speaker 1: to the parking lot, left her tied to that tree. CB,
36:22
Speaker 1: at that point, you left her again? Hall, left her again. CB,
36:26
Speaker 1: and this was approximately getting dark? Hall, yeah. CB, getting
36:30
Speaker 1: dark or after dark? And where did you go? Hall, well,
36:34
Speaker 1: I went down, I opened her car, opened the van,
36:37
Speaker 1: and I moved my van next to her car. CB,
36:40
Speaker 1: did she tell you what her vehicle was? Hall, yeah. CB, okay. Hall,
36:45
Speaker 1: so I got my van and I moved it next
36:47
Speaker 1: to her car. I looked for her purse under the
36:49
Speaker 1: driver's seat. It wasn't there. Then I walked up, unsecured her,
36:53
Speaker 1: walked her down. I had my van open the side
36:56
Speaker 1: door and it was next to her car. So I
36:58
Speaker 1: walked her up next to her car. Again, her dog
37:01
Speaker 1: was with her. Her dog was with her. So I
37:03
Speaker 1: walked her up next to her car, opened the side
37:06
Speaker 1: door of my van, put her in my van, and
37:08
Speaker 1: then I took a chain, put her in my van,
37:12
Speaker 1: and had her down. There is a sliding door on
37:14
Speaker 1: the left. Open that sliding door. I had a cargo
37:17
Speaker 1: bag there. I just told her to lay down on
37:19
Speaker 1: the cargo bag. And I had two lengths of chain
37:22
Speaker 1: padlocked to the seat mounting, the front seat mounting, one
37:25
Speaker 1: chain padlocked, another to the seat attached to the car.
37:29
Speaker 1: The shortest one was four or five feet long. And
37:31
Speaker 1: the other one was about nine feet long. It was
37:34
Speaker 1: a link chain. CB, you had it affixed to your frame? Hall, yeah,
37:38
Speaker 1: affixed to the seat. You know, like where your seat
37:41
Speaker 1: attaches to the car? It's quite secure in case you
37:43
Speaker 1: get hit. You know, in other words, if you reach
37:46
Speaker 1: under the seat. CB, what was the other? What was
37:50
Speaker 1: the purpose of the chain itself? I mean, you had
37:52
Speaker 1: it already attached to your car. Hall, yeah, it was
37:55
Speaker 1: already attached. One was attached there, and one was attached here. CB, okay. Hall, yeah,
38:01
Speaker 1: they were attached by being padlocked. In other words, the chains,
38:05
Speaker 1: one end of the chain was brought under the seat,
38:07
Speaker 1: secured and padlocked, and the other end was loose. And
38:10
Speaker 1: ditto with that. CB, and what's the purpose of that? Hall,
38:14
Speaker 1: to secure. Oh no, normally I would have to do that.
38:18
Speaker 1: Normally I would have to do that if I was
38:19
Speaker 1: carrying expensive equipment, like a generator or something in the van.
38:23
Speaker 1: I would chain the generator in the van in case
38:25
Speaker 1: someone saw the generator to break in. Someone will break
38:28
Speaker 1: in to steal the three and a half, Kilowatt generator. CB, right? Hall,
38:34
Speaker 1: and if they see it sitting in a van, they'll
38:35
Speaker 1: just break in your van just to get that. CB,
38:38
Speaker 1: did you have to unlock the chain to put it
38:40
Speaker 1: on her or... Hall, no, no, that end, I had
38:44
Speaker 1: several padlocks. I had several padlocks, so I had another.
38:48
Speaker 1: I had two other padlocks, so I had a lot
38:50
Speaker 1: of padlocks. A number of padlocks. So both of those
38:53
Speaker 1: ends were, both of those chains were padlocked by one
38:56
Speaker 1: end to the seat mount. One would have been... If
38:59
Speaker 1: a person was laying this way, feet there, head there,
39:02
Speaker 1: one would have been at the feet and one would
39:04
Speaker 1: have been in the vicinity of the head. Okay, so
39:07
Speaker 1: you chained one chain to her. Hall, uh-huh. How did
39:10
Speaker 1: your chain go, CBS? Hall, in about the shortest chain,
39:15
Speaker 1: was about, I don't know, five, six feet long. The
39:17
Speaker 1: longest one was 12 feet, I believe. So I just
39:20
Speaker 1: took simply one end and then, uh, it wasn't tightly.
39:23
Speaker 1: I just told her to lay down. And one end
39:26
Speaker 1: of the chain was padlocked already to the seat. So
39:28
Speaker 1: I took the other. and I didn't go all the
39:30
Speaker 1: way to the end, you know, but I know four
39:33
Speaker 1: or five, six others put it around her so it
39:35
Speaker 1: was tight enough so she couldn't get it over her head. CB, right? Hall,
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Speaker 1: and then I padlocked that. I didn't secure her feet
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Speaker 1: or her hands. CB, okay, what did she say to you?
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Speaker 1: Did she say anything at that point? Hall? They told
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Speaker 1: me not to get in your van. Not in, I said,
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Speaker 1: get in the van, bitch. And then I determined from
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Speaker 1: where her purse was, and it was under the passenger seat,
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Speaker 1: not under the driver's seat. CB, did you have to
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Speaker 1: force her into the van? Did she cooperate? Hall, no,
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Speaker 1: she protested, but, I mean, she was compliant. You know,
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Speaker 1: I didn't hit her. No physical force of any kind
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Speaker 1: after that. CB, okay. Hall, after that on the mountain. Okay,
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Speaker 1: she protested and said, well, they told me not to
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Speaker 1: get in the vehicle, Hall says. I said, get in
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Speaker 1: the van, bitch. CB, and she went in. Okay, but
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Speaker 1: she didn't get physical. Hall, never again. Never nothing. CB, no. Okay,
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Speaker 1: all right. So you put a piece of chain around
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Speaker 1: her neck. Hall, that chain that I told you about. CB,
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Speaker 1: the driver's side. Hall, yeah, the driver's side. It didn't
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Speaker 1: have her cinched down tight. It just, CB interrupts him here.
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Speaker 1: That don't bother you, Sheriff? Okay. SS, no. Hall, no,
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Speaker 1: she was not. As a matter of fact, you know,
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Speaker 1: she could have, you know, grabbed something, smacked me up
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Speaker 1: the side of the head with it while I was driving.
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Speaker 1: You know, I said, so yeah, she could have reached
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Speaker 1: around and got a stranglehold or anything else while I
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Speaker 1: was driving. It was just to keep from jumping up
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Speaker 1: and jumping out. And I also put the childproof latch
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Speaker 1: on the sliding door so it could not be open
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Speaker 1: from the inside. CB, the chain that's on the passenger seat,
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Speaker 1: what did you do? Put it around her leg? CB, no,
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Speaker 1: I just... Just the one on her neck? Okay, at
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Speaker 1: that point, you went and got her purse. Hall, which
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Speaker 1: was next to CB Wright, and then what did you do? Hall, then,
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Speaker 1: of course, her dog was a little leery of me
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Speaker 1: by then, of course, a little skittish of me, so
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Speaker 1: to say the least, and so I got her dog
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Speaker 1: to jump in her car, I told her, and she
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Speaker 1: was concerned about her dog, of course. So I said,
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Speaker 1: let's put your dog in your car so we'll be okay.
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Speaker 1: Put her dog in her car. In what car? Hall,
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Speaker 1: in her car. CB, okay. Hall, got that and left
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Speaker 1: and headed on 129 north. We were headed towards Blairsville
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Speaker 1: and we got several miles away as we were driving
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Speaker 1: and she's still voicing concern about her dog. So I
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Speaker 1: didn't know, you know, I didn't want her not to
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Speaker 1: be calm. So I knew she was anxious about her
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Speaker 1: dog and she was wondering about her dog, if her
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Speaker 1: dog was going to be okay. So I said, well,
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Speaker 1: you want me to go back to get your dog?
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Speaker 1: She said, yes. So I turned around, went back and
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Speaker 1: got her dog. Alright, we're going to wrap up this
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Speaker 1: episode here, and in the next episode, we're going to
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Speaker 1: pick up where we left off. All of the information
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