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Chopping it Up with Coach Krispy Kreme and Clydesdale Media - Quarters are Over, Thoughts? · Clydesdale Media Podcast

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We wanted to start this.
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is one I've gotten to know
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Tristan pretty well over the last year.
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One of my best friends in
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the world is Jamie Latimer.
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Tristan is her coach.
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And I even got to know you a
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little bit before that
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happened with Kelly Baker
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and following her through last season.
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That's probably what made
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you most famous as a coach
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is taking Kelly Baker to
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the games for the first
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time as an individual athlete.
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Yeah.
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And then the chaos that
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ensued at the games.
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Yeah.
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It was a good follow-up to
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the chaos that ensued at
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semifinals in the last event.
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So it was on brand.
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Yeah.
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So what I wanted to do is
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kind of periodically check in with you,
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get a coach's perspective
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on what's going on in space,
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and we'll create new
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backgrounds and bumpers and
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all that for that.
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But it's been a crazy day.
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So we were going to start with
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You were in the chat with
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Jamie and I a couple weeks
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ago and said quarterfinal
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programming is the most
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important programming that
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CrossFit will ever do.
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We're scrapping that for now.
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We're going to touch on it a
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little bit later in the show.
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But since we talked,
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there's been some scoring
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adjustments going on on the
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leaderboard from quarterfinals,
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and we're going to talk about it.
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So at last count,
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there have been well over
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300 scoring adjustments to
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the leaderboard from last
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night at about seven ish.
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Yeah.
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My phone started exploding
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around six o'clock my time.
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Yeah.
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That's seven my time.
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So right around, right around there.
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Yeah.
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So, um, so as a coach, um,
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you get your athletes
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through quarterfinals weekend,
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scores are submitted,
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then where is your head at
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from that point till today?
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You know,
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people at the affiliate who
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watched us go through quarterfinals,
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they kind of said, hey,
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your stress is gone, this, that,
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and the other.
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And I'm not stress-free
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until everybody gets validated videos.
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I don't think there's
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anything as a coach –
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I'm more terrified of in the
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middle of the night than a
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major penalty from HQ on
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one of their videos.
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That whole process is just so stressful.
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I mean,
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the floor plans were looser this year,
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so there wasn't as much of that,
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but just...
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I never want that to happen
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to any of my athletes.
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I never want them to have
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done the workouts multiple times,
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perhaps put in their effort.
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You know, we think we did it.
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We think we did what we set out to do.
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And then the hammer comes
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down and your season's over.
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So I had already went
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through this a little bit with some teams,
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um, you know,
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Madison and Taylor on a team, they, um,
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did not get a penalty,
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but two of the teams that
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one of our coaches carry,
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Tobias and her gym, they're Ascend teams.
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They both got penalized.
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So I had already kind of
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been through the ringer
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with that with them.
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So I knew that I had a
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feeling after what I saw
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happen with the teams that
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that we were gonna see some
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hefty penalties on the individual side,
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obviously nothing.
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I did not expect anything
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like what we have seen, but for me,
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the stress doesn't really
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actually go away until they
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get that email inviting
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them to go to semifinals
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and pay their money.
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And the way it works that
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I've heard is that, um,
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the athlete gets an email
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as they approve each workout.
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So like go get an email
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saying your workout one has
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been validated and is good to go.
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Yeah.
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They get an email and then
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about the same time they get that email,
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it updates on their app on
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the CrossFit games app.
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So it all kind of happens in conjunction.
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So let's start with stress I
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know you've gone through this week.
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And that is when an athlete
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types in a score that is not accurate.
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So that is the first phase
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of what happened.
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And it wasn't just that
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athlete that did it.
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It actually turned out to be
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a pretty common mistake
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around the world where people did not...
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add in the first 30 reps of
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workout four they only did
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the max reps they did on
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the last barbell yeah so a
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lot of people cut
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themselves short 30 reps
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you reached out to me like
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hey do you know anybody at
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HQ we can talk to this was
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messed up we can't get the
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score updated when did you
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know that those scores that
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CrossFit went in and
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globally added those 30
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reps in for those athletes
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So I saw that Grace Walton's got changed.
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I had caught a snippet of
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Siobhan's show after it was
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that evening or the early
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the next morning,
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saw that she had put hers in wrong,
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was obviously just
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refreshing the leaderboard over and over.
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And I saw that hers got
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changed to her correct score.
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So that made me feel at
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least better that we were
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going to be able to get
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Hattie's score fixed up.
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and what that did for your
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athlete hattie is that she
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jumped from way out of
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qualifying to ninth place
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in the west yeah I mean
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that that was and the same
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for grace the same for um
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marjoram in in europe like
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they none of them were
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qualifying and then they
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were which was awesome yeah
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that was that was pretty
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stressful I felt really
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really bad when I had to call hattie
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Um, you know, we had talked,
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she crushed it waiting for
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the leaderboard to come out.
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Leaderboard comes out.
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I refreshed the leaderboard,
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scroll down through the first page.
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Don't see Hattie scroll back up.
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Still don't see Hattie
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realize something's wrong.
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Search her name, see the wrong score.
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And then I immediately called her like,
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Hey, really sorry to ruin your night,
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but here's what you need to do.
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Um,
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So T. Cain says,
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imagine the stress these
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athletes are feeling.
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CrossFit needs to have a better system.
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Hattie reached out to me
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after I talked to you,
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and she was beating herself up so much,
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saying she checked her score three times.
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It was just a simple mistake.
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And I cannot imagine the
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stress they go through.
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Their whole year depends on
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these qualifiers.
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And if they don't make it
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through to get to that live
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competition where you're truly assessed –
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For your fitness,
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the year's a waste almost.
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Yeah, I agree.
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As a coach,
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I fall pretty squarely in the
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camp with Coach Kotler on
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this whole thing.
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I don't think there's
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anything more important for
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the sport side of CrossFit
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right now than getting rid of the –
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qualifying process to the
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second highest level of
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competition in our sport
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not taking place on the
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internet I don't I don't like
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Every year, we have some kind of an issue.
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A bunch of elite athletes
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didn't put their score in correctly.
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They got it fixed.
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Some people say they should.
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Some people say they shouldn't.
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It was a clerical error.
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Most of those athletes have
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a video proving that they did the reps.
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That's one issue.
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Now we have all these
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penalties that are coming down the pipe,
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right or wrong.
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I mean,
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I'm sure we'll get into more of
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that with like judges who
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went out to help with camps, this, that,
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and the other,
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the stress of the video review,
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the human error of it.
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It's online setups, floor plans,
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measurements.
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It's just the, it's,
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it's just ridiculous at this point.
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Like I,
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I understand creating a structure
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where there's some sort of
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a circuit or in-person
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competitions for points, whatever.
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I understand that's a lot of work.
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but I just think this is
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ridiculous at this point.
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I think that that'll be show two,
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like how to change the
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season to make this better.
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Cause I have,
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I have a lot of thoughts on that.
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I was actually talking with
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Justin's wife this morning
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and we were solving all the
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world's problems.
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Yeah.
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I ironically enough, my fiance and I,
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we drive to West Virginia every year.
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That's where she's from for
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either Thanksgiving or Christmas.
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And I,
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we were driving back this year on
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our way back and,
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Overly caffeinated and many
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hours of the road in,
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and we just started coming
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up with this whole system
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for different comps can get
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you different points based
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on the programming and the
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strength of field.
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And you have to get this
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many points and you can
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still get points through quarterfinals,
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but it's like your last chance.
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And it's really heavily.
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It was just,
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we went on like a tear and
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then it was hilarious
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because the next day we
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couldn't remember anything
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we came up with because we
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were just so tired.
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Um, so.
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And Chelsea, I see your comment.
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I do not know what's going
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on with Caitlin.
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I don't know.
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CrossFit is not disclosing anything.
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So it's really hard to track
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what's going on unless...
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And I do know her coach.
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I could reach out.
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But a lot of times coaches
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like to keep that private
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until they know a final resolution.
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So...
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So now we go through this penalty thing,
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right?
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And it's like nothing we
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have ever seen in CrossFit before.
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You know,
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usually you get the list of penalties.
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It's maybe 15 names long.
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Yeah.
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Either it's major, minor, or rejected.
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But this time, like we talked,
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well over 300 scoring adjustments.
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It was so bad.
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I was trying to figure it out.
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And thank God for Mike
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Halpin and the known and
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knowable Instagram.
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I would not have been able to keep up.
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He's been running these
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reports about every eight hours.
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So you can track what's new, what's not.
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But some of the best movers
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in the sport are getting
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dinged major penalties.
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You as a coach...
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Does that put fear in you
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that that's happening?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, for sure.
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I mean, I don't know.
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The entire quarterfinals
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process of judging is so difficult.
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I do, I think,
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a good job of telling my athletes,
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because a lot of times I am
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also the person judging
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them for the quarterfinals.
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And I tell them, I will no rep you.
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And I tell them,
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I will no rep you because I
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don't want you to get a
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penalty from video review.
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And I kind of try to scare
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them straight basically in
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terms of you need to move perfectly.
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Like you have to keep your
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movement together as best you can.
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But even then it's still, it's just so,
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I mean, Patrick Vellner,
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one of the best movers in
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the sport got hit with a major penalty.
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Like I don't think he's ever had a,
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video penalty before at all, you know it's,
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it is pretty stressful.
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And I, I don't know.
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There's a lot of different
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thoughts that go into my
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mind and different things
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that I think play into the
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video penalties that we're
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seeing potentially.
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And we can dive into some of that stuff,
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I guess,
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once we get into the more nuanced
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side of it and why we think
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this might be happening, but it,
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it's quarterfinals is the worst.
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Like, I don't know.
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I don't know how other coaches feel,
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you know, like, you know,
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last year you called me the
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new kid on the block.
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I don't know a lot of the other coaches.
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Well, I'm not in with the, you know,
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the clicks yet or anything like that,
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but yeah,
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I quarterfinals is the bane
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of my existence.
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It's the most stressful time of the year.
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I mean, semifinals is obviously stressful,
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but it's just this different thing.
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And with it being as long as
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it was this year, it was a week of just,
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just stress.
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Well,
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you go into the weekend with a blind
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leaderboard and,
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Does your athlete redo?
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Do they not redo?
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Is the score good enough?
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Is it not good enough?
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Then you come out of it and
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you've got this going on.
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Yeah.
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It's, it's insane.
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So T Kane says page powers,
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top 10 at the games doesn't
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get to compete because her
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head was looking down at the box.
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I think that's been misinterpreted a tiny,
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tiny bit.
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Yeah.
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From my understanding,
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it was not the head.
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It's the shoulders.
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Yes.
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you can be looking down as
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long as your shoulders were
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over top your hips, which is, you know,
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difficult.
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I don't,
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I don't disagree with what he's
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getting at.
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And I'm sure you've heard,
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and I've heard step overs
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would have solved this.
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I don't disagree.
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I also don't disagree that I
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have seen videos from
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athletes who got penalized
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and they did not hold the
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standard that was in that scorecard.
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So I have,
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I have two thoughts about this one.
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We've been begging for
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CrossFit to hold the standard forever.
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Yep.
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Now they are and everybody's pissed.
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Every.
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Yeah.
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I, I said the same thing.
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I was talking to Jacob this
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morning earlier and you know,
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a large part of me agrees with that.
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We have been yelling at the sky,
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how it's not a judge competition and,
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this that and the other and
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now they drop the hammer
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and nobody likes it now my
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my counterpoint to that is
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the shoulder head area has
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never been a point of
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emphasis as something
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that's being judged even at
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a live competition
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Yep.
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Right.
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So if you're going to make that change,
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then announce that that
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will be a point of emphasis
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that the extension must be knees, hips,
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shoulders.
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Yes.
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Must be shoulders.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Again,
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I think this just comes back to the
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online qualifier.
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It's hard to pick movements
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that are easy to judge at
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maximal velocity.
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in an online format.
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It's just difficult.
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You know, I think J.R.
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said it or somebody else
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about why we haven't seen
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shouldered overhead.
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Very hard to judge at maximal velocity.
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yeah I just it's it's it's
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kind of six one way half a
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dozen the other like you
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said I think step overs
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would have been a much
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better movement I think if
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they could have let people
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know about the head and
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shoulders because that is
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to me also kind of an odd
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standard you're loading the
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arms the muscle action
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portion of the movement is
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not the thoracic spine like
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as long as your hips knees
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are extended and you're standing tall
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why why are you getting that
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much more metabolic work
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and work capacity out of
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that little bit of the
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movement I don't think so I
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don't know yeah
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Yeah, and I do not debate this either,
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Jay Birch.
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Soft knees.
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I've seen videos, lots of soft knees.
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Lots of soft knees.
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Right.
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I think where people are
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upset is the shoulder
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aspect because it has never
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been an emphasis before.
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Now it is.
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Something I noticed watching
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a couple videos,
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a lot of people cornered the box.
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And depending on how big
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your feet are and how big
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the box you're using,
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you don't have as much real
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estate to plant that off foot.
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And I think while athletes
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were doing that as a way to move quicker,
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some athletes that might
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have actually been part of
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the reason they didn't.
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put the weight on that other
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foot and extend all the way
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because they had most of
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their weight on that other
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foot and there was just a
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little less real estate
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than they might have been
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comfortable with when they
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were super fatigued to put
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all their weight on the
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other side of that on that
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foot potentially
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potentially because that
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was the cornering was a
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whole thing for me and my
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athletes most of my
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athletes did not corner the boxes um
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I know that eventually it
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came out that that was okay.
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But the first thing I
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thought of was uncommon movement clause.
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I'm not playing with that.
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I'm not the picture.
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She's flush.
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We're going to be flush.
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Like I'm not doing that.
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Right.
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So, yeah, but here we are.
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When we talk about this,
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a lot of times the picture
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and the words don't match, right?
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in the standards right so
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you know it's really hard
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to know what to go by and
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I'm and I was camped out
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with jamie all weekend yeah
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and we had that discussion
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like is it worth cornering
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and I'm like how much time
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you saving yeah yeah and
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then if they do say
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something yeah chelsea I
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just saw nick matthew was
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out in the latest run yeah
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I saw crazy the number of
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games athletes that are out um
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So, so we have that.
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And the thing that's frustrating,
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and it goes back to what you said,
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the second most important
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qualifier to get to the games is online.
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If you have a judge in a live competition,
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they're going to tell you
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no rep and you're going to
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correct it online.
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You don't get that feedback.
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So you don't know what's wrong.
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And then you get a major penalty.
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Yeah.
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And well, and that leads us to the,
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I guess the other part of
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this that started to come to light is,
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you know,
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camps or individuals having
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people out there to judge
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them that are qualified.
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Right.
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In whatever sense of the
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word we can actually say
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that is in the CrossFit space.
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Cause I don't think the
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judge's course actually
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qualifies you to enough to
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judge people that a little bit.
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Right, because you have experience judging,
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yeah?
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So the AFJ is a group of
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people that I used to judge
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with who have organized.
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And they're the people that
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volunteer their time and go
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to all of these, like go to Rogue,
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go to Waterpalooza,
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go to all these events.
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They usually are the ones
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doing semifinals.
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And then they do some of the games.
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Now,
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they don't usually get to go into the
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final heats of the elite individuals.
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That is the red shirts.
20:43
Right.
20:46
But they do all of the other stuff.
20:47
And I have contended for a long time,
20:49
I think they're better
20:50
judges than the red shirts.
20:52
Well,
20:53
they might be judging more frequently.
20:56
And I would contend most of them are.
20:59
are better than the red
21:00
shirts right most of them
21:03
um you get a couple
21:05
one-offs that that make a
21:07
bad name for them they just
21:12
their their organization
21:13
just got ruined yeah why
21:18
would you right why hire
21:21
them if it's not going to
21:22
guarantee you anything yeah yeah it's uh
21:30
I just think this all
21:31
alludes to the greater
21:33
issue of it's not optimal.
21:37
It's not best practice to
21:38
have this qualifying
21:41
competition be online.
21:44
Um, and I,
21:46
I understand that there's
21:47
constraints in the system.
21:48
I understand that, you know,
21:50
CrossFit has a small staff.
21:51
I understand these things, but geez,
21:55
Louise, man, um,
21:58
It's just – I mean when you have athletes,
22:01
every spectrum of athlete from a –
22:04
know the afj judges coaches
22:08
who have been coaching in
22:09
the space for a decade the
22:12
professional coaches at the
22:13
highest level all the way
22:14
down to you know people who
22:16
might be just trying to
22:17
qualify for semifinals
22:18
their first time and they
22:20
just had their buddy who's
22:21
an l1 judge them I venture
22:23
to say most people are
22:24
doing their bet they're
22:25
they're attempting to hold
22:26
the standard now the degree
22:27
in which they're being held
22:30
to the standard could
22:31
probably vary based on the
22:32
person judging them
22:34
But when there's this many
22:35
penalties across that range
22:37
of people who have been
22:40
judged by those types of judges,
22:43
it just – where do we go from here?
22:46
Who do you get to judge you?
22:50
I try to be a very harsh
22:52
judge with my athletes here
22:54
at quarterfinals,
22:55
but I always tell them I am
22:57
not the final authority.
23:00
right?
23:01
And it's obviously difficult
23:02
for a coach because you're
23:03
emotionally invested to some point,
23:05
but it's also,
23:06
I can't freeze frame in real time.
23:10
I like to think I have a
23:11
good coach's eye and a good judge's eye,
23:14
but I'm human.
23:16
I have human error, right?
23:19
And if somebody can zoom in,
23:20
slow down and freeze the frame,
23:22
I can't save you from that.
23:25
Only you can save yourself.
23:26
And we hope that
23:29
you know,
23:30
the athlete has to hold the standard,
23:31
but it's still just not optimal.
23:34
So Jay Burch says that
23:35
depends how many AFJ
23:37
members were judging people
23:39
with a major penalty.
23:41
So where this comes into play,
23:42
Jay Burch is, Hiller put out a video,
23:46
and on that thumbnail,
23:47
he has Paige and Brooke, Brooke Wells,
23:51
Paige Powers.
23:52
The AFJ judges are right behind them.
23:56
I know both of those people.
23:59
And I can tell you they are
24:01
some of the best judges in the business.
24:03
Yeah.
24:06
Um,
24:07
both of those people got major
24:09
penalties on that workout.
24:14
If it's,
24:15
if the major penalty was the
24:16
shoulders and head area,
24:19
we've never been trained
24:20
that I've never been
24:21
trained to look for that in
24:24
a competition.
24:27
When you have your judges
24:28
meeting and you go over the
24:29
standards of movement and
24:30
what you should be looking at,
24:33
that's never a point of emphasis.
24:37
So if you've changed that
24:38
point of emphasis,
24:39
it doesn't matter how good
24:40
the judge you bring in is,
24:42
they don't know what that
24:43
point of emphasis is.
24:46
Right?
24:46
Yeah.
24:48
Just this crew they hired to
24:49
do video review.
24:51
Right.
24:51
So now we're not on the same page.
24:58
Yes, Corey.
24:59
I do know everybody.
25:00
I don't, but I actually,
25:01
they actually came out of my region, uh,
25:05
during regionals.
25:07
So I knew them before cause
25:09
they have both been
25:10
promoted up through the judging ranks.
25:11
Okay.
25:12
So they're not even just
25:13
like your regular ordinary judge now.
25:16
Yeah.
25:17
They're like leads and heads
25:18
of judging at events.
25:22
And when I,
25:23
when I got to know them in the
25:24
regional world,
25:25
they were just my P on level.
25:31
Yeah, it's such a weird, nuanced thing.
25:37
Going back to what you said,
25:39
we want harder standards,
25:40
we want people to get penalties,
25:42
and then everybody gets
25:43
penalties dropped on them,
25:44
and they're massive
25:46
penalties that are taking
25:46
games athletes out of going to semifinals,
25:48
and then it's, well,
25:50
we have these professional judges,
25:53
why did that not do any good?
25:55
I feel like it's, on one hand, yes,
25:58
we want the
26:01
video review to be thorough
26:03
but then the other hand is
26:04
well I had this
26:05
professional judge what do
26:09
you want from me so we
26:12
already have a couple shows
26:13
coming up now because we're
26:14
going to do new season
26:16
format the other one I want
26:18
to bring up is standardized
26:20
rule book for the season
26:24
that that if you're going
26:25
to do a burpee box step up
26:28
this is the standard for the season yeah
26:33
Every other sport has that.
26:35
The NFL has a kickoff rule.
26:36
They have a penalty for this.
26:39
And if it changes, it goes to committee,
26:42
and that committee has to
26:42
vote that that change is being made,
26:45
and then everybody knows
26:46
that that rule has changed.
26:52
I think here we are.
26:53
We're sitting where some
26:55
people got the news that
26:56
they wanted to emphasize
26:57
something different,
26:58
and another group didn't.
27:01
And that other group isn't just the AFJ.
27:03
It's you as a coach.
27:05
It's the athletes.
27:06
That whole group didn't get word.
27:09
Yeah.
27:14
Yeah.
27:16
It's kind of a mess.
27:20
I feel bad, obviously,
27:21
for all the athletes that
27:22
are getting major penalties.
27:24
I do feel like I'm glad
27:25
there is such a thorough
27:29
video review being done.
27:31
Um, and I, yeah,
27:33
I think I would say I could see more,
27:37
I would give more empathy
27:39
to the head and shoulders
27:41
issue versus the standing
27:43
up of the hips and knees at
27:46
full extension.
27:47
Cause that was in the
27:48
standard clearly demonstrated.
27:50
Um, I mean, I think so.
27:56
Jake Chapman just said
27:57
they're so used to getting
27:58
away with skirting the lines for so long.
28:04
I don't think everybody, okay, I get it.
28:08
We've wanted good standards, right?
28:11
But for the most part,
28:12
the athletes move well.
28:14
You have a couple outliers
28:16
that get focused on in
28:18
different videos and
28:19
YouTube channels that don't, right?
28:25
It goes back to the old adage.
28:26
If you're in a class and 95%
28:28
of the class fails...
28:32
Is it the students or is it the teacher?
28:36
We have never, ever,
28:38
ever had a competition
28:39
weekend that had 300 plus
28:42
scoring adjustments on one workout.
28:45
I bet we clear 700 by the
28:47
weekend if they're going
28:49
through three and four.
28:53
I bet we clear 700.
28:57
Well, okay.
28:59
First, the first thing,
29:02
I think it's hard for
29:08
coaches to no-rip their
29:11
athletes in the
29:12
quarterfinal stage on qualifiers.
29:16
I think they don't want to
29:20
have to do that.
29:23
And you're right.
29:24
Most of the athletes do move very well.
29:29
So I think you can kind of create a,
29:32
and also it's unideal for a
29:34
coach to be judging their athlete.
29:35
But a lot of times at the
29:36
quarterfinal stage, because of manpower,
29:39
that's what has to happen.
29:41
Right.
29:41
Uh,
29:42
like there were many examples over the
29:44
last week where depending
29:45
on who was going,
29:48
I was not their judge or I
29:49
was their judge and I
29:50
wasn't their kind of emotional support,
29:53
pace keeper person.
29:55
Um,
29:58
I judged Jacob on several of his workouts.
30:01
And when I'm judging Jacob
30:04
for 95% of that workout
30:07
that I'm judging him,
30:08
I'm not his cheerleader.
30:10
I'm just trying to be as
30:12
robotic as possible about rep.
30:15
Like, did you stand up?
30:17
Did you do this?
30:17
Did you do that?
30:18
Did you do whatever the
30:19
movement is supposed to be?
30:20
But it's very hard.
30:22
It's not ideal, right?
30:23
So I think there's...
30:25
a little bit of play there I
30:27
think it's a little grayer
30:28
than just saying athletes
30:29
skirt the standards all the
30:30
time and now they're
30:31
getting hammered and that
30:33
is what it is um and I
30:38
don't think because he also
30:39
said it's not 95 of the
30:41
students it's probably not
30:43
95 of the students but it's
30:44
also they're not video
30:46
reviewing everybody so to
30:49
your point about the school right it's
30:53
we can look back.
30:54
I mean,
30:55
ideally when this is all done and
30:57
see how many people got
30:58
penalized of how many
30:59
people got video reviewed
31:02
and then we'll know.
31:03
Yeah.
31:05
If we ever know how many
31:06
people got video reviewed,
31:07
cause that's probably a close secret.
31:12
Yeah.
31:12
Yeah.
31:15
So,
31:16
so then I don't even know where I want
31:20
to go anymore.
31:25
Do you think they're going
31:34
to look through three as
31:36
hard as they're looking through one?
31:42
I'd steal my answer from JR,
31:45
where JR thinks that
31:47
they're going to make sure
31:48
that everything was measured properly.
31:50
Sure.
31:53
then it'll get a quick
31:54
cursory look over and then
31:58
they'll probably hit four
31:59
as hard as they hit two or
32:01
hit hit one yeah I could
32:04
see that I I'm I'm leaning
32:07
toward they they might go
32:09
through three really hard
32:10
because for the teams they
32:13
dug in those muscle ups on team event one
32:20
Most of a lot of the
32:21
penalties I know of for the
32:23
teams were event one muscle ups.
32:31
I think, I think because that's a,
32:35
what that one was the 15 minute cap,
32:37
right?
32:38
Yeah.
32:40
I think that when you have a 15 minute cap,
32:43
it's tough to get through
32:44
as many videos as you need to.
32:47
see and that's an
32:47
interesting point because
32:50
because workout one you can
32:54
fast forward through the
32:54
rest sure you can probably
32:57
fast forward yeah and
32:59
you're just really doing
33:01
the snatch and the box step
33:02
up so I guess this is a
33:04
question I don't know the
33:05
answer to but it's
33:07
something that I got
33:08
curious about during team
33:10
quarterfinals because i
33:12
I had a team in the East.
33:13
I had a team in the West.
33:14
I was helping with two other
33:15
teams in the West that are ascend teams.
33:20
And I also know a lot of people.
33:22
So friends of mine would
33:24
send me their videos and Hey,
33:25
do you think this is good?
33:26
This, that, and the other, you know,
33:27
do you think the score will
33:28
play stuff like that?
33:31
If I was judging those videos,
33:35
I only need to watch as
33:37
long as it takes to get to
33:39
a penalty threshold.
33:43
don't have to watch the
33:44
whole video I only have to
33:46
watch the whole video if
33:48
you don't mess up yeah
33:52
because once it hits major
33:53
penalty it doesn't matter
33:54
if it's a major major
33:55
penalty because it's the same right
33:58
So it's like I guess I would
34:00
have to watch through to
34:01
see if you hit a minor penalty threshold.
34:04
I would have to continue to
34:04
watch through to see if you
34:05
hit a major penalty threshold.
34:07
So I guess you – but if
34:08
there was a video that
34:09
accrued a major penalty,
34:10
I only need to watch until
34:12
you hit that threshold,
34:14
and then I'm done.
34:17
So I see both sides of that,
34:19
but obviously the video
34:20
review process is largely secretive.
34:23
And the other thing is on
34:25
that muscle up workout and
34:26
you're only talking the top
34:29
X number that even got to the muscle ups.
34:35
Fair, fair.
34:38
There was also to be fair,
34:40
a lot less teams.
34:41
Right.
34:42
Um,
34:44
and they were doing muscle ups from the
34:45
jump, right?
34:46
First interval.
34:47
We had muscle ups.
34:48
Those muscle ups don't occur
34:49
until the end.
34:51
Um,
34:54
outsource it t-mobile that's
34:55
hilarious um what did tk
34:59
now do you think there's
34:59
hope for page and other
35:01
athletes outside the top 40
35:05
have you have you ever
35:08
heard how many appeals have
35:09
you heard of being one very very very few
35:16
So I have, as a coach,
35:18
filed two appeals or
35:21
assisted an athlete
35:22
technically in filing two appeals.
35:24
And I won one of them.
35:28
And it was Madison last year
35:32
on the GHD row VF workout.
35:37
She does GHD sit-ups very
35:39
fast and she flicks her fingers down.
35:44
So where the camera was set up,
35:47
To see her rower and her GHDs,
35:52
you couldn't really see her
35:54
fingers touch the plates at full speed.
35:58
So I screenshot every single
36:02
GHD sit-up showing her
36:04
hands touching the bottom.
36:06
And then I put it in Google
36:07
Drive folders or in folders.
36:10
And she sent that in with her appeal.
36:13
And we won that appeal to me, to me,
36:18
filing an appeal with
36:19
CrossFit HQ is like going to court,
36:23
except you are guilty until
36:25
proven innocent.
36:25
You have to,
36:27
the way I think about it is
36:28
you have to present beyond
36:31
any refute that they were
36:34
wrong and you did it right.
36:36
And that's just a tall ask.
36:39
So I don't know.
36:40
I, I,
36:43
I don't know how many of
36:44
those athletes will win the appeals.
36:47
I am not confident in that.
36:54
Yeah.
36:55
Which sucks.
36:56
Right.
36:57
Which really sucks.
36:59
Because we've lost already
37:01
probably four games
37:02
athletes at this point.
37:04
Paige, Nick Matthew, Sidney Wells,
37:08
Sidney Wells.
37:10
Brooks on the teetering edge.
37:13
I mean,
37:13
that's the thing with them going
37:15
through three or four.
37:18
Vellner, Bill Leahy, not a games athlete,
37:21
but relatively high profile.
37:23
Everybody wants to see what he can do.
37:25
If you got a penalty and
37:26
you're down in 30th, if you get a minor,
37:30
you're out on anything else.
37:34
Because the separation value
37:35
was so low in these workouts.
37:37
Scores were so bottlenecked,
37:38
especially four.
37:41
couple in Europe too Lazar
37:43
jukic took a pretty big hit
37:45
is he out uh he's not out
37:47
at this time I knew he got
37:48
a penalty but I hadn't
37:49
looked to see it was a
37:51
major he dropped like 27
37:52
spots um so I like I've
38:02
been following this all day here's
38:06
Mike Halpin's Google Doc.
38:09
As you can see,
38:10
it was last run at noon today.
38:13
Okay.
38:15
And then if anything
38:16
happened different from the 7.30 run,
38:18
he put a new beside it.
38:20
Oh, Samantha Pugh.
38:21
I didn't realize she was out.
38:24
Yeah.
38:25
So everybody in red is out currently.
38:30
Jeez, Brooke Wells is still in.
38:36
Paige Powers out, Zoe Warren out.
38:38
Yeah.
38:43
Oh, Lena Richter's out?
38:44
Dang.
38:44
But she was going team anyway.
38:47
Oh, that's true, yeah.
38:48
Her and Mathilde both got major penalties,
38:51
but they're going team.
38:52
There's Tia's penalty.
38:53
Yeah.
38:58
Amy Kringle dropped, but she's still in.
39:01
Hope Cicero,
39:07
she's on the Masters leaderboard, too.
39:09
Sarah Sigmundsdottir dropped five spots,
39:11
but still in.
39:12
She's still in.
39:15
Ashley Wansney's still in.
39:18
Yeah.
39:19
A lot of the newer ones were
39:20
minor penalties.
39:21
Yeah.
39:23
Yeah.
39:25
Like Kyra Milligan was born,
39:27
but didn't even change a place.
39:29
Interesting.
39:32
Cody Vitito,
39:34
someone I followed last year
39:35
in the semifinal series,
39:38
didn't move a place.
39:39
She got a two-rep penalty, but didn't.
39:44
Scuds,
39:45
the person in the picture showing
39:47
what the movement standard is,
39:50
got a minor penalty.
39:51
I love that.
39:53
I love that.
39:55
Yeah.
39:55
You know, it's James Hobart got one too.
40:01
So yeah.
40:02
Arguably like the poster boy
40:04
for CrossFit movements.
40:05
Right.
40:05
Right.
40:06
And Allison Scud's the female poster girl.
40:08
Yeah.
40:10
The only thing would be
40:10
better if Tola was doing
40:12
Indy and he got one too.
40:15
Oh man.
40:19
Yeah.
40:21
Grace.
40:22
So here Kaya.
40:23
Yeah.
40:26
gabe there's gabe townsend
40:27
yeah tiffany rocker
40:30
samantha tolbert yikes
40:34
yikes yeah and then with
40:37
the men there we go poster
40:41
man he's old now fair
40:42
enough wad zombie poster
40:43
man poster gentleman how's
40:45
that uh casper got a bit
40:48
major penalty gamma mark 76
40:51
places kill my torres
41:01
Dallin Pepper was one of the new ones.
41:02
It was a minor.
41:04
Didn't even change a place.
41:14
Medeiros got a minor.
41:18
Henry.
41:19
Henrik Hapelainen got one,
41:21
but it didn't change him.
41:22
913 spots he fell.
41:23
That can't be a movement thing.
41:30
That had to be me.
41:31
There's something wrong with the video.
41:33
Yeah, there's something wrong.
41:35
There's James Hobart.
41:37
Fell 588 spots.
41:43
I would be so curious if
41:45
James would tell everybody
41:47
what he got a penalty for.
41:52
One more minor penalty for Brooke Wilson.
41:53
She's out.
41:54
Yes, correct.
41:57
Well,
41:57
and what's interesting about this too
41:58
is – okay, so let's say you were 43rd.
42:02
Now you're 39th.
42:07
You better hope your video
42:08
is squeaky clean because
42:11
they're going to get down there, right?
42:16
Because they're going
42:17
through – Cody Vitito was
42:18
not in the top 40 before
42:19
she got a penalty, right?
42:23
so I don't know who's having
42:24
a more exciting afternoon
42:25
what uh jay birch had to go
42:28
uh I think some frogs there
42:31
you go games of course game
42:34
legends will be lined up
42:35
next to some dude you've
42:36
never heard of hey maybe
42:39
it's an opportunity for
42:40
people to get some exposure yeah I mean
42:49
I do not know what's
42:49
happening with either of them.
42:51
I'm a big fan of Freya.
42:53
I've been friends with her
42:54
for a couple years.
42:55
Really hoping she gets through.
42:59
And no, I did not see Heppner's story.
43:03
I saw him destroy the wall
43:05
ball burpee boxer burpee workout, though.
43:08
Yeah.
43:11
Disgusting.
43:12
I feel like it's going to be
43:13
a very long and...
43:17
anxious weekend because they
43:21
are supposed to be done
43:22
monday but it can also go
43:25
longer than that so you
43:30
need to pull it up he makes
43:31
a hell of a good point I
43:36
like I like when cory
43:37
directs my show is he your
43:43
uh unknown producer
43:47
It'd be better if he was
43:48
somewhere near a computer
43:49
and he could pull it up for me.
43:50
Right.
43:55
Okay.
43:59
I think there's been some
44:00
penalties in the age groups as well.
44:04
Yeah,
44:05
I don't know if that's... I think
44:07
those are on Halpins as well.
44:09
All right.
44:12
Let's see what we got here.
44:19
This is riveting, Corey.
44:22
Corey, there was nothing there.
44:26
There's only two stories, Corey.
44:28
I went through both stories, man.
44:32
Can't be that.
44:35
It probably expired, Corey.
44:38
Probably expired.
44:40
Is it a real?
44:43
Oh, it's a real.
44:44
An opinion from a guy on his
44:45
baby's moon in the Bahamas.
44:47
Here we go.
44:47
Two thoughts.
44:49
CrossFit controls the sport.
44:50
They can do whatever they want.
44:52
That's the thing you
44:53
probably don't want to hear, right?
44:54
They can do whatever they want.
44:55
It's their sport.
44:55
If you don't like it,
44:57
All I can do is really cry about it.
44:59
I learned the hard way in 2018.
45:00
It takes a lot of forearms.
45:02
But here we are.
45:03
Now,
45:03
because they can do it doesn't mean
45:04
they should do it.
45:05
So my second thing is,
45:07
what's the fix for it?
45:08
If you're going to give that
45:09
many penalties for something,
45:11
then at a minimum, at least,
45:13
you need to be looking at
45:14
the highest penalty given
45:16
by gender in each region.
45:18
What does that mean?
45:19
That means if you're going
45:20
to give Paige Powers a 600
45:22
and some odd placement on Event 1,
45:26
you need to be looking at
45:27
all the 600 and some odd
45:29
placements in front of her in her region.
45:32
Because I guarantee you,
45:34
I'll make a bet on this
45:35
virgin pina colada that...
45:37
200,
45:38
300 of them didn't even video the
45:41
workout and didn't even do it correctly.
45:43
And if Paige Powers did it wrong,
45:44
then probably 400 of the
45:46
rest of them did it wrong too.
45:47
It's not fair to the other athletes.
45:49
So if you're going to hold
45:50
everyone to a standard,
45:52
then hold everyone to the standard,
45:54
the same standard.
45:55
But what do I know?
45:56
I'm just a mathematics guy
45:58
who never competed a day in
45:59
his life in CrossFit
46:00
drinking a peanut clod on the beach.
46:04
All right,
46:05
who's ready for some unsolicited advice?
46:08
Now I'm jealous, right?
46:12
So he makes a great point and,
46:15
but there's no way
46:16
CrossFit's ever going to do that.
46:18
My answer to his point would
46:22
be let less people do
46:24
quarterfinals so you can judge everyone.
46:32
There you go.
46:34
That would be my answer.
46:37
Um,
46:38
but me not being a fan of top 25% is
46:41
not new news to anybody who knows me.
46:42
So whatever.
46:45
Yeah.
46:46
And that ship,
46:47
that ship has definitely
46:48
sailed with the money that
46:49
they made on this.
46:50
Oh yeah.
46:51
Oh yeah.
46:52
Um, it's funny.
46:55
You brought up the different
46:56
season cause Ashley Kotler
46:58
and I were talking this
46:59
morning that we had the perfect system,
47:01
um,
47:03
We had the sanctionals.
47:05
CrossFit didn't even have to fund them.
47:08
People were willing to line
47:09
up and do it for them.
47:11
Yeah.
47:13
I think it would be good to
47:14
have a degree of oversight
47:15
on the sanctionals in terms
47:17
of the programming,
47:20
at least to some degree.
47:21
And that's why I think...
47:24
But why it was okay is you had 30 shots.
47:27
Yeah.
47:29
Yeah.
47:30
if you didn't like the
47:31
programming at this one,
47:32
you got 29 other opportunities.
47:36
Yeah.
47:36
I don't disagree.
47:37
I also, I mean,
47:39
it would drive way more media.
47:41
It would give people way
47:42
more opportunity to compete.
47:43
It would be great for
47:45
developing athletes who, you know,
47:47
are trying there kind of the,
47:49
I guess what now would be
47:50
the 40 to a hundred, 120 range,
47:54
depending on the semifinal.
47:59
I don't,
48:00
I don't know why that was
48:03
tossed out as quickly as it was.
48:08
COVID.
48:09
Well, that's true.
48:10
It was COVID.
48:11
Yeah.
48:12
The old Rona.
48:14
We had to go backwards to
48:15
get through COVID,
48:17
and then we just stuck with it.
48:21
The sanctionals, I do think,
48:23
were a good start to having
48:26
a really cool circuit and
48:28
system of competitions to qualify.
48:32
Did the sanctionals qualify
48:37
you for the games or semis?
48:40
I would even be fine with
48:41
the circuit only qualifying
48:43
you for the semifinals.
48:46
I would be fine with that.
48:49
So that CrossFit still has a
48:50
degree of control over the
48:52
second highest and the
48:52
highest stage of competition?
48:55
And I think that there were
48:57
too many sanctionals anyway.
48:59
There was a ton.
49:01
So make a couple of them
49:02
like they did this year.
49:04
The semifinals, you know,
49:07
West Coast Classic and Syndicate Crown,
49:10
which...
49:11
loud and live and that crew
49:13
that had the mac they were
49:15
actually sanctionals back
49:18
then make them the
49:20
semifinals and then so you
49:22
work your way through the
49:23
regular season and get to
49:24
that postseason just like
49:27
the college bowl series
49:28
right like yep then you
49:30
move to the the new year's
49:31
day six and then you move
49:34
to the games yep yeah I
49:37
would I would love to see
49:38
something like that I think it would be
49:40
much better for the sport.
49:41
And TK brings up the, you know,
49:44
injured athletes,
49:46
giving them another shot to compete.
49:47
But I mean,
49:48
the one that always sticks out
49:49
to me is if you get sick,
49:53
like if you get sick during
49:54
quarterfinals or you get
49:55
sick during semifinals, I mean,
49:57
hell in a sanctional season, like,
50:01
at least if you got sick during semifinals,
50:03
you had gotten to do other
50:04
competitions prior, compete in person,
50:07
get some swag, get some notoriety,
50:09
go do that stuff versus you
50:12
get sick at semifinals and
50:14
there goes your whole year.
50:15
Poof.
50:17
Corey,
50:17
they have not come back to regionals.
50:19
No regionals.
50:20
There were like what?
50:21
Six in the United States,
50:22
eight in the United States.
50:25
And only three or five made it?
50:27
Making a semifinal is
50:29
exponentially harder than
50:30
it was to make a regional.
50:33
Anybody in the top 40 going to a semifinal,
50:35
if we broke them down into
50:37
their individual regionals
50:38
of what the old system was,
50:40
they would have walked into a regional.
50:43
No problem.
50:44
Yep.
50:45
And you took away the fan
50:46
base because now the fan
50:47
base has to travel.
50:48
Back then,
50:50
they could do an hour drive to a
50:51
regional and cheer on their
50:53
local favorite.
50:55
Yep.
50:56
And so we've kind of ruined
50:58
what was great about the regionals.
51:02
Yeah.
51:03
Right?
51:06
Yeah.
51:07
It's crazy.
51:08
I feel bad for all those
51:09
coaches too because as a coach –
51:12
I mean,
51:13
I know I would do anything to do
51:15
what I could to try to fix
51:16
a penalty and get an appeal
51:18
through and so that, you know,
51:21
their season didn't end in this way.
51:23
And it's just so stressful
51:28
and there's only so much you can do.
51:29
And it's just tough.
51:31
Like I just,
51:34
I feel a lot for the athletes
51:35
and the coaches.
51:35
Like,
51:38
I fall on both sides of it.
51:39
I want to see the standards upheld.
51:41
If you didn't hold the
51:42
standards and you got hammered, hey,
51:44
that's on you.
51:46
If you did hold the
51:46
standards and you can prove
51:48
it in a video and you still got hammered,
51:50
that freaking sucks, man.
51:54
Yeah.
51:55
And again,
51:55
because everything is kept cloak
51:57
and dagger,
51:59
we don't get to see these videos.
52:00
We have no idea how
52:01
egregious any of this was.
52:04
I said something to my fiance last night.
52:07
Do you think it would be out
52:08
of turn if they penalized a video,
52:15
they then made that video public?
52:21
You end up in a whole court
52:23
of public appeal potential situation,
52:26
but they are the governing body.
52:27
They can do what they want.
52:28
If they've already – the
52:29
penalty is done and dusted
52:30
and they deny the appeal
52:32
because everybody is going to appeal.
52:34
Everybody who got a penalty
52:35
is appealing for sure.
52:37
So it wouldn't be until after the appeal.
52:41
And if CrossFit is like, no,
52:42
this penalty stands,
52:45
then they release the video publicly.
52:48
Do you think that's unfair,
52:50
like leading into unfair scrutiny?
52:52
Because part of me wants to
52:56
see these videos so I can
52:58
make a note like, all right,
52:59
we got to really dot our
53:00
T's and cross our I's with, you know,
53:03
dot our I's and cross our T's.
53:04
You know what I meant?
53:05
With stuff like that.
53:07
But then it's also,
53:08
do you just bring in a lot
53:09
of potential hate Cheeto
53:12
finger people on the athletes?
53:16
I don't think I can come up
53:18
with an answer to that in
53:19
this short amount of time.
53:22
But what I will say is,
53:24
I think it's on CrossFit to
53:26
have a press release.
53:28
that says we're having an
53:30
unprecedented amount of
53:33
penalties or scoring adjustments.
53:36
Here are some of the reasons why.
53:37
Yeah.
53:40
Because right now, everybody's speculating,
53:42
and they're making outlandish accusations,
53:45
and we don't know if any of that's true.
53:47
Yeah, we don't know anything.
53:50
We don't know.
53:51
Because, I mean,
53:51
an athlete gets a penalty.
53:53
The first thing that happens
53:54
is they go radio silent.
53:57
Do you remember the year
53:57
that people miscounted the
54:00
crossovers and then Boz
54:01
went out on Instagram,
54:02
did a video showing how to count, right?
54:07
If they did a press release
54:08
with a video that said this
54:10
was the standard and it was
54:13
missed because this body position,
54:15
and that way you're not
54:16
even calling out an athlete.
54:17
You're just saying these are the reasons.
54:20
Yeah.
54:22
Yeah, I would like something like that.
54:25
I would also personally like
54:27
a real press conference
54:28
when they do that.
54:30
I want somebody up in front
54:32
of the freaking podium or
54:34
whatever you call it.
54:37
Whoever's in charge,
54:38
come tell us what's going on.
54:40
If Dana White can suck it up and do it,
54:42
so can you.
54:43
So, love or hate Justin Berg,
54:46
when he was in charge,
54:48
there were quarterly press conferences.
54:50
That is true.
54:53
to take part in those we got
54:55
to ask questions um they
54:58
may have danced around an
54:59
answer but at least you got
55:01
to ask the question yeah
55:04
since dave has taken back
55:06
over the only press
55:08
conferences are at the
55:09
games and then I did they
55:12
did have one at the west
55:15
north america west last
55:16
year oh did they I had no idea
55:19
Yeah, Don Fall came in.
55:20
Don and Dave did a press conference.
55:24
Gotcha.
55:29
Chelsea,
55:30
I think that's what everybody
55:31
wants to know.
55:32
How egregious are the reps?
55:34
We don't know.
55:35
And what constitutes minor, major?
55:39
Did soft knees get you the major?
55:42
Did the shoulders get you a minor?
55:43
Did...
55:45
I can actually read that to you, I think.
55:47
Hold on.
55:49
I have the rule book open.
55:51
Oh, it's in the appendix.
55:53
Hold on.
55:54
Well,
55:55
I know the major for so many reps
55:57
that are in question.
55:59
But it's still even a little vague.
56:02
Right.
56:03
Which is kind of tough.
56:07
You would think they would
56:09
make that stuff at least
56:12
relatively clear in the
56:16
in the rule book.
56:17
Right.
56:18
Yeah.
56:19
Yeah.
56:21
What does it say?
56:21
Penalties?
56:23
I think it says like a minor
56:25
penalty will be assessed if
56:27
it's below some threshold.
56:30
And then a major penalty is 15%.
56:32
But even the minor penalty,
56:34
I know it's like the way
56:35
they calculate it is like
56:36
the rep speed times two.
56:41
It's so like,
56:42
It used to be,
56:43
it was like if it was five
56:44
or less questionable reps,
56:46
it was a minor.
56:47
Right.
56:49
If it was up to like 20 reps,
56:52
it was a major.
56:53
And then beyond that was rejected.
56:55
Yeah.
56:57
Well, and that's, I mean,
56:58
we haven't seen anything
56:59
close to a rejected video in a long time,
57:01
but we're seeing at least
57:02
things that look similar.
57:04
900 spots.
57:05
Yeah.
57:05
Something got rejected.
57:06
Exactly.
57:08
yeah I'm sure he's not the
57:09
only one too I'm sure
57:11
there's some other people
57:11
who have fallen really
57:13
really far well homer fell
57:15
500 spots yeah so that has
57:18
to be if it's not a
57:20
rejected video they're
57:21
taking away all the reps of
57:24
a movement right
57:27
would be the only way I
57:28
think you could have that
57:29
kind of a fall off points
57:30
wise or score wise on a
57:32
workout like the intervals.
57:33
Like if you did no step ups,
57:35
like if they counted none
57:36
of your step ups or none of
57:38
your row calories for some reason.
57:42
Yeah.
57:43
Cause majors are supposed to
57:44
be a percentage, right?
57:46
Right.
57:47
Yeah.
57:47
It's 15%.
57:50
Yeah.
57:50
I don't,
57:51
Be nice to know what their
57:53
thinking was on this in
57:55
some shape or form.
57:56
Like, this is what a major was.
57:58
This is why we did it.
58:00
Here's a demo.
58:02
That way you're not calling
58:03
out the athlete,
58:04
but you're showing the
58:04
example of what was done
58:06
and what wasn't done.
58:07
Yeah,
58:08
that would probably be a much better
58:09
way to do it than put out
58:10
the video publicly.
58:11
I think I've just, as a coach,
58:12
I'm just so curious to see
58:15
Cause I'll put a video of my
58:17
athlete going in a video of
58:18
somebody who got penalized and look,
58:20
try to see what the
58:21
difference is between the two.
58:22
Well,
58:25
I'm all for like public submission of
58:26
videos.
58:28
Yeah.
58:29
I just don't know if I like
58:31
just the penalized being released.
58:34
I agree with that.
58:35
Yeah.
58:35
A little bit unfair to those athletes.
58:38
Yeah.
58:38
I think if at the beginning
58:39
you say you have to make
58:41
all of your videos public on YouTube,
58:44
I'm okay with that across the board.
58:47
If you're a good mover,
58:47
you should not even worry about that.
58:50
Hiller would have so much content.
58:55
Well,
58:56
hopefully the standard would improve.
58:59
That would be the hope, right?
59:01
That would be the goal.
59:03
Yeah.
59:05
Well, yeah, it's wild times.
59:07
We are up on the hour.
59:10
So this was the first
59:12
episode of hopefully many.
59:14
Yeah.
59:15
This was fun.
59:16
Getting a coach's
59:17
perspective on what's going
59:18
on and who better than
59:21
coach Krispy Kreme himself.
59:23
I've got to get another shirt.
59:25
So mad.
59:25
I lost that shirt.
59:28
Yeah.
59:29
I'm just glad I was able to
59:30
make a thumbnail that I
59:33
could steal the logo.
59:35
Yeah, for sure.
59:35
Right.
59:37
Yeah.
59:38
Replace donut with a send athlete.
59:41
Yeah, like the A. That would be good.
59:43
Could do that.
59:44
In the greens part where it says donut?
59:46
Uh-huh.
59:47
Does it say ascend?
59:48
It says ascend.
59:49
Oh, I didn't even notice that.
59:50
No way.
59:51
Yeah.
59:52
On the thumbnail.
59:53
Heck yeah.
59:57
Oh, yeah, it does.
59:57
That's awesome.
59:58
That's sick.
1:00:01
Yeah, this was fun.
1:00:02
I would like to do this more.
1:00:03
All right.
1:00:04
Well, sounds good.
1:00:05
And we will say everybody in the chat.
1:00:07
You've been awesome.
1:00:08
Yeah.
1:00:08
Thanks guys.
1:00:09
So much feedback.
1:00:10
It makes the show go by really fast.
1:00:12
You guys are always the best with that.
1:00:14
We'll see everybody next
1:00:15
time on chopping it up with
1:00:19
coach Krispy Kreme.
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Here we go.