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Talks to Daniel Knight about his choice of The Time Meddler (3/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  None. A hamster with a blunt penknife
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  for doing. Quicker, quicker.
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  Quicker Welcome back to A Hamster with a Blunt Penknife,
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  the Doctor Who commentary podcast.
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  You join us for Episode 3 of The Time Meddler, which is called a
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  battle of wits and. I think we've had some some very
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  witty questions and some and some very witty dialogue as well
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  and Hooray the doctors back in this one.
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  So we've had a a week off with Hart hartness, had a nice
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  holiday fishing down on wherever he was fishing or and he's, he
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  comes back. Do you think he comes back a
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  little bit revitalized or absolutely.
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  And his sequences with Butterworth in three and four, I
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  think in some of his best material.
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  You know, all this sort of. And how does one enter this
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  contraption, Hammer and chisel, You know, all this stuff.
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  Oh, it's great. And he.
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  I love the bit where he says I have a Winchester 73, Sir.
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  Right in the middle of your spinal cord.
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  Remember, I'm just here. OK, Yeah, no, I feel the same
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  thing happened in Keys of Mariners when he jumped ahead 2
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  episodes and went straight. He goes city of millennia.
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  So where? It is Millennius.
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  Yes, he comes back and he's on top form because he's out of
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  rest. Yeah.
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  So yeah, there's some nice dialogue between nice sort of
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  bit of banter between the two Time Lords or the two.
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  Not Time Lords as they are now, as they were then.
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  Yes, because we don't really get many great villains this year, I
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  don't think, because it's the Daleks in the Daleks invasion of
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  Earth 2, uncharismatic fillers in Planet of Giants.
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  The rescue is Bennett, but they only have one confrontation
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  scene at the end, so they don't really have time to really
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  develop a rapport. The Romans it's nearer and
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  that's brilliant. Like there's together a crackle,
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  the crusade. I don't even know if he meets
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  Salatin, does he? He doesn't know.
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  I mean, the Doctor gets some very good dialogue, very good
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  scenes with Richard the Lionheart, who's played by
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  Julian Glover. Maybe he's piece what he's what
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  he was going to do to his sister.
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  Well. He's it's certainly morally
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  ambiguous. And Saladin is Yeah, you don't
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  really get much because Saladin I think it's only in the 1st and
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  3rd episode, and the main villain of the piece is, is Ella
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  Kir, who? Barbara comes up against most of
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  the time I do it. It's so bloody women again in
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  that, aren't they? She says some.
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  How would you have me go to Safford in bathed in oriental
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  perfumes, I suppose. Supple and tender and
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  affectionate? Yeah, This has a weird thread
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  running through this year. I think, yeah, it's again, it's
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  sort of stuff that is of its time and we probably wouldn't
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  want to get, we wouldn't. That horrible phrase you
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  wouldn't get away with it now which yeah you probably
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  shouldn't do but I mean it's it's in that in that case it's
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  in historical context and it does they they did sort of play
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  down the sort of the the supposed incense you in
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  incestuous relationship between Richard and his his sister at
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  Harland has. Which, yeah, but I think when
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  you're, you know, going out at 5:30. 5:45 on a Saturday tea
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  time. Don't think you should be
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  showing things like that at all. Anyway.
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  Oh my God, what am I talking about, Daniel?
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  No charismatic villains? Do you not remember Lobos, King
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  of the Planet Xeros? Richard Shaw's memorable
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  performance. Yeah, he's he's even as as
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  memorable as he is in frontier in space as the as the guy who's
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  in the the, the moon, the moon base prison, the Lunar, the
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  Lunar Penal Colony. And he's also in Underworld,
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  isn't he? Have what is he?
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  He says. Have have the arms fallen into
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  Xeron hands? Oh my God, no.
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  So I think we can say with some degree of confidence this is the
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  best villain of the year. Yes, I think so and.
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  Somebody asked if he should have come back to the come back for
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  the Daleks master plan. I think it was Jim Allenby on
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  us. Yes, I think he should have done
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  and it's. Surprising he didn't come back
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  after that in inverted commas because, you know, it's maybe a
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  bit too playful to be a villain. Possibly that is that maybe
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  something that's is an issue retrospectively because now
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  Peter Butterworth. You mentioned to people of our
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  generation, Peter Butterworth you think of the Carry on films.
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  You think of him as the dodgy campsite owner and carry on
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  carry On campaign. You know leaning over the fence
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  with Sid James going how much is it pound and how much how much
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  is it how much is it for members pound and you know the the the
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  wonderful Pepe in in carry On abroad where they he's the the
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  hotel manager. Which does give the the very
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  funny line, the very funny joke about when Kenneth Williams says
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  arrow. Good afternoon, I'm the
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  representative Wonder tours Stuart Farquhar and Peter
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  Butterworth's character. Stupid what?
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  Oh, Daniel, that was that was the best Kenneth Williams I've
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  ever heard, you know? Oh, I've yeah, I've been quite,
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  yeah. Also, my friends, they'll,
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  they'll tell you I'm quite good. Yeah.
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  My Kenneth Williams is. Almost too good, but there we
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  go. Having the Croaky Rd. was
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  happening. Wait, for Doctor Who Kenneth
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  Williams in light of the 70s, you know.
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  The only reference that I can think of that ties Kenneth
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  Williams to Doctor Who is is a comment in his Diaries where he
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  says that Doctor Who is getting sillier and sillier and that
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  episode that he's describing is Part 2 of the Android Invasion.
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  So I don't think they would have got him to do it.
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  I'm just after doing this high art Carry on movie, right?
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  Now, yeah, he turned down the part in The Avengers as well.
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  Kenneth Williams. Yeah, yeah, one of the black and
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  white M Appeal ones. I think it's the the one about
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  the the what's it called? Is it room without a view?
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  Where with the the concentration camp, the the the Yeah POW camp
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  in the in the posh London hotel. Yeah, I don't know which party
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  would have played, but yeah, they he turned it down and said
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  it was a very silly part. And he also said somewhere else
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  that he was watching The Avengers and thought it was
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  puerile. Oh dear.
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  I think maybe he should have looked at his own career though,
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  and what he was making. Yeah, I mean, he started off as
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  a very serious actor. He was, you know, playing the
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  Doe fan in Saint Joan and. Then he did Hancock's half hour
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  and became very well known as the snide character and then he
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  was the cat. Then he did the carry ONS and he
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  did the carry ONS because of his that he was very loyal to the
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  producers because they, you know, sometimes you know he
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  would his his acting career sort of sort of went down downhill.
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  After that he did some sort of quite serious sort of West End
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  dramas, which. People were expecting him to be
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  the character in Hancock's half hour, but he wasn't.
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  And they because of that, people couldn't take him seriously.
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  So he would try and be the serious actor, but then he he
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  would, he would panic and then just go into the the sort of,
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  you know, the shtick that he would do and go, Oh yes.
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  And I think it was an interview with the lady who plays Barbara
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  in in the Doctor the Daleks movie Jenny.
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  Yeah, and she did a play with him and you know, he was, she
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  said he was lovely to work with, but he could be totally
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  unpredictable and wouldn't stick to the script and then go all
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  start, you know, doing it. So now he's still missing about.
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  So I think maybe there was something to those people that
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  said I don't want to be typecast.
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  I'm not going to take on this kind of role because that's an
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  example of that. Well, I think we should go and
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  watch Peter Butterworth in action.
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  Yes, I think we should. And and see what Larks he's
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  going to get up with too. With William Hartnell in episode
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  3 of The Time Meddler. Well, shall I count as in?
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  OK. And then you smack me around the
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  face with another fabulous question.
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  OK. So, so sorry, I'm counting on
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  it, 54321, off we go. So, Andy Parkinson.
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  Says this is this is my favorite Hartnell story.
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  Would other villains fare better if they'd all had drop down evil
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  plan checklists for certain? Andy, Yes.
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  Your drinks there. It's the Jew, is there?
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  Sorry. Yes, so I Daniel's I I believe
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  Daniel's child is is making an appearance.
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  In his No, no, it's my it's my wife.
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  I've made her a drink. Sorry, I thought she was about
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  to hand you your evil To Do List.
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  No, I haven't got an evil To Do List.
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  Maybe I should get one he. I think the joke is very funny
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  so I would have. I mean the Master pretty much
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  obviously did have A to do list, but caster malvo, he goes.
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  I had a trap behind that trap but would have been a joy to
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  spring. So I think he's got like plan AB
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  all the way down to then, just in case.
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  Yeah. Yes.
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  He also asks after Peter Butterworth and Joan Sims, what
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  other carry on stars would you have liked to have seen in
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  Doctor Who? We've just mentioned one.
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  Yes, he does. Well, I mean, we also have
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  Bernard Breslau as the Ice Warrior.
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  Angela Douglas, she was Mrs. Yeah, Doris Brigadier, the
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  Brigadier. Let's British Stuarts second
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  wife would find a role for Barbara Windsor.
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  You know what it would be, but I'll find a role for her, yeah.
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  And oh, actually fact, Jim Dale was in the running for to play
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  to replace John Perry at one point.
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  I see. If you remember, there was an
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  interview with with Elizabeth Slayton and she said that she
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  saw different sort of a list of names and that Jim Dale, so Jim
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  Dale possibly is the 4th Doctor, I don't think.
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  I mean, they were all good actors, weren't they?
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  Yeah. I mean, Jim Dale, when he, when
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  he finished with the Carry ONS, he went on to be a huge star on
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  Broadway. He's actually in a film called
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  Digby, the biggest dog in the world, and he plays a scientist
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  in that. And that's sort of almost like a
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  prototype doctor. So yeah, I mean, I feel I've
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  spoken a little bit disparagingly about the carry
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  ONS there, but actually I adored them as a kid.
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  Carry on Cleo, carry on screaming.
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  If that the. Earlier one Holiday Monday, I
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  was just in my element watching that.
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  Yeah, Peter Gilmore, who was in Frontios.
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  He was not a big star in the Carry ONS, but he'd be sort of
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  in a supporting role. Bit like similar to Peter
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  Butterworth, really. Bernard Breslaw.
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  Yeah, yeah, Little. And I think Joe Sims is great in
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  The Mysterious Planet. I don't care what anyone else
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  says, I think she she pitches it.
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  Brilliantly, Daniel. I have seen it in the flames
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  many times. We go forward.
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  Am I to be surrounded by fools? Yeah, she's having.
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  I don't care what she says in her autobiography.
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  She's having a whale of a time in that totally.
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  Oh, this is all great. I love this.
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  The two of them playing games with each other around the
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  monastery. Yes, Doctors.
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  Effectively playing hide and seek now, just waiting to jump
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  out at him. Unfortunately, Paul, Vicki and
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  Stephen are just going back through the same passage they
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  came through in the last. They're going there and then
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  they're going to have to come back all the way.
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  Yeah, all the way back again. I do quite like the fact that
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  they've managed to get a form of sort of ventilation shaft into
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  this story somehow. Yes, it's the same.
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  Same sort of thing, isn't it? Yeah, it's a it's a tunnel, but
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  it's nicely done as well with the, with the, with the trees
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  and the roots. Yeah, because they it's
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  underground. Yeah, it looks it's good.
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  Vicky, if I know the Doctor is not going to be as simple as
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  that. She's got the measure of him
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  now. Yeah.
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  Oh no. Hartnell's back, and he's with
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  him again. And he's back with Edith, who's
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  she? Looks like she's suffering from
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  toothache rather than a nasty confrontation with a Viking.
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  Yeah, if this was the new series, you know, and the Doctor
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  learned, you know, he'd be tearing down the universe to get
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  to these Vikings, wouldn't he to?
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  Yes. Oh, it's lovely to have heart or
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  back. See, my heart sings when he
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  comes back on the screen. Yeah, I'm becoming quite a
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  regular visitor, I think. You know, my only business is
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  like, it's almost like she's forgotten about it.
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  Yeah. Oh, Crikey.
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  Now she's in a carry on move she made in light of the fact.
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  Of course Harlow was in the carry ONS.
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  He well, he was in the first one, Carry on Sergeant.
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  And John Purwee, of course, was in Carry On Cleo Screaming and
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  Cowboy I saw Jon Pertwee in one of our Dinosaurs is missing as
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  a. Crazy film, yes.
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  I mean, it was a bit troubling in places that the villains of
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  the piece. Are.
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  Yes. Again, yes.
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  No. It's sort of Disney's homage to
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  the talons of Wang Chiang, isn't it?
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  Really. Really is or of its time.
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  But we turns up as this crazy Admiral.
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  Yes. So I was sort of going past his
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  house and he wants to try and shoot it.
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  He's like a game hunt. Oh, it's so funny.
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  I love that. I love that film.
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  As a kid, just I get a buzz at seeing Doctor Who act as
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  especially Doctor Who's in other roles.
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  Yes, when Trout when I first saw Box of Delights with Trouton.
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  Oh, it was just magic. And also around the same time he
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  did a sitcom with Nicholas Lindhurst.
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  He played Nicholas Lindhurst's granddad.
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  But it was quite funny to see him in that.
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  Not quite so funny to see Trouton in the first episode of
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  Inspector Morse, where he plays a very, very dodgy character.
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  Very seedy, but yes. But yeah, it's always nice to
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  see actors top two actors in other things.
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  My Mark's a massive fan of Brighton, rock, Hartlow's in and
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  like, he sort of expressed that Arnold maybe was like 10 years
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  out from his best, like when he was giving his best
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  performances, when his brain was sharp, he could deliver a
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  Polish. But now I think, I think if they
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  caught him because he's a bit eccentric and forgetful and he
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  can sort of put that in the par. But it does make you wonder if
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  sort of 45, if he'd taken on the role at that point.
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  Then they aged him up a bit because I hear he delivers some
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  sharp acting in some of those. Not not long before Doctor Who,
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  he did another film called This Sporting Life with Richard
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  Harris and I I've never seen it, but I've heard that it's it's
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  it's probably his best performance.
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  He plays this sort of aging, aging dad sort of sportsman.
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  And he Yeah, apparently he's supposed to be on YouTube and he
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  is great in it. It's very homoerotic, that
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  movie. There's a lot of scenes in the
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  changing rooms. Honestly, with all these bums
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  out and everything, I'm like, am I watching?
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  The harder was incredible. Sorry, I.
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  Had to just hope you didn't get to see turtle's bottom.
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  No, no, no. I'm very surprised that she had
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  anything to do with a movie that was quite that on the edge for
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  the time. Oh look, he's got a first aid
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  kit in a monastery and 10. I mean, these are all just fun
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  ideas. Take take this aspirin.
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  It'll make you feel a lot better.
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  Oh, it's a child, my son. Yes, it's a sort of herb.
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  It's a sort of herb. Get out of my light.
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  You know, look after him. It's hard to win the shadows
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  here. Just sort of listening to every
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  Oh no, he's. With Edith, isn't he?
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  No, he's with Edith and he's going to yeah, he's going to
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  knock on the door any minute now.
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  I think what is very nice about episodes two and three is it
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  does establish all of the key elements.
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  So they find the cannons on the on the shoreline.
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  The Vikings are here now, so when we get that To Do List,
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  it's basically just joining all the dots and.
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  He's goes he's I'm on schedule. I'm on schedule.
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  Some of those lost met Leonardo da Vinci and discussed what is
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  it the. Principles.
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  The principles of powered flight.
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  Yes. Yeah, that's so funny.
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  Oh, Christ. I love the fact that he's sort
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  of standing there, sort of thinking out loud and realising
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  that he's saying things that he shouldn't be saying.
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  I do wonder if this would be a tie three though, rather than A4
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  parter. I think so, yeah.
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  And I often think that about classic who, you know dispense
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  of all the running around you know.
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  And some and some purwee stories as well.
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  Some purwee 6 parters, so does. I feel like we go about this the
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  wrong way because obviously it was never meant to be seen as a
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  whole. We watch it as a whole now
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  because that's how it's presented to us.
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  To us it was meant to be, you know, 25 minutes a week and that
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  that was and. That's how you watched it, Yeah.
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  Guessing, yeah, that was the portion.
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  So I think in those terms. In the structure of a story,
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  it's a bit irrelevant. Yes.
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  But we were also in some ways we were kind of conditioned to, as
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  you say, it's how it's presented now, but also a lot of the
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  earlier stories our generation would have seen first on video,
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  which when they came out were initially all edited down into
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  sort of like 90 minutes or you know, two hours and 15 minutes
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  if it was a six parter And then on YouTube, not YouTube UK Gold.
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  You'd get, again, omnibus editions of Doctor Who, so you
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  just watch it all in one go. I still get incredibly confused
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  when Pyramids and Mars episode one cliffhanger kicks in.
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  I'm like, what? This is what I was watching as a
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  child. I'm not So I'm like that with
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  talent of Wang Chiang and and also the Seeds of death you know
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  sort of that that the original video where.
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  Episode one looks like you're watching it through a cause, and
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  then suddenly Episode 2 clicks in and it's really nice and
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  clear. Are we interested in the Vikings
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  and their machinations? Not as interested as Billy as
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  Bonnie Langford is on on between the sofa, behind the sofa, even.
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  Oh. Is she really?
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  Why, she seems to be quite she. Yes, from what I saw of it, she
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  seems to be quite sweet on on Sven.
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  And what's the other one called? Oh, Bonnie's got a type.
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  Is she? I don't know.
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  But those those are quite good. They're quite fun to watch.
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  Just the idea of of Bonnie Langford and and Sophie Aldridge
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  sitting down and watching black and white Doctor Who with
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  William Hartnell, particularly the Web Planet, which I think
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  they they seem to enjoy. Oh, here.
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  We go arrival in Northumbria. Position atomic cannons sight.
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  Vikings Light beacon fires destroy Viking fleet.
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  Norman Landing Battle of Hastings.
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  Making how He's an autograph hunter as well, yeah.
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  Oh man, that's gold. That is gold.
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  Oh, what's that sarcophagus he's got there?
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  It seems to be humming. Or is he humming?
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  Sorry, I've got this. I've got the the subtitles on
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  and it said it said in brackets humming And I think does it?
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  Does that mean he's humming? Or is it his sarcophagus
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  humming? Oh, look how he's using that.
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  What's that called? Protractor.
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  No, no compass. Compass.
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  It takes me back all days, you know?
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  Yes. Did you have the Oxford tin as
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  well? Mathematicals.
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  Yeah. Yeah, me too.
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  Me too. Go on.
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  Daniel, Hit us with another question.
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  I know you've got loads. Where are we?
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  Which ones have we got? Oh, if I asked, have we asked
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  David? Mrs. Remington fan.
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  One of the best 60s stories, Such a brilliant and clever
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  script and one of the best cliffhangers in Doctor Who.
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  The monk's got to tell this. And Peter Butterworth is
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  delightful as the Monk. So yes, you're quite right
• 22:21
  David. It is one of the best 60s
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  stories. Disagree with a word of that?
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  No. So not so much a question but a
• 22:29
  comment. So thank you David for that.
• 22:32
  Oh, here we go. The Spooky musics playing
• 22:34
  Something's a Foot in the it's it's it's some.
• 22:40
  It's sort of like stock music, isn't it?
• 22:43
  Because Douglas Canfield never wanted to use Dudley Simpson.
• 22:49
  Yeah, I hear they had a bit of a fun.
• 22:53
  They had a bit of a falling out, so I think he used him a couple
• 22:57
  of times. I think he used him before for
• 23:01
  the crusade and then after that he would get other people.
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  So he got sort of stock for stock music for this.
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  Although there's a somebody sort of credited for percussion at
• 23:13
  the end and then other. So Geoffrey Bergen for his two
• 23:18
  Tom Baker stories. I guess about beautiful music.
• 23:21
  Simpson I love his music, Simpson, and it is like a comfy
• 23:26
  blanket around my shoulders. But.
• 23:28
  That fresh musical voice from Burg in those two stories, can I
• 23:34
  ask you a question then you can. So I Are we now watching sort of
• 23:39
  the Monks adventures? Because that whole scene there
• 23:42
  was from the Monks point of view with that castle villain, the
• 23:46
  Doctor in the shower coming up. Behind him with a pretend gun.
• 23:51
  Yes, it's the Doctor. The villain now, because we love
• 23:53
  the Monk, the Doctor's the serious one.
• 23:59
  And you kind of want the monk to.
• 24:01
  You want the doctors to stop the monk, but you don't want the
• 24:04
  monk to end up being blown up or killed or or so maybe that's why
• 24:10
  they didn't bring him back, because they they didn't want to
• 24:13
  kill him off. They couldn't bring the eye,
• 24:15
  bring the thought of, you know, killing such a fun character
• 24:18
  off. Because at one point it does
• 24:20
  look like he's going to be, you know, in the in the Daleks
• 24:22
  master plan, he's going to get exterminated.
• 24:24
  But he doesn't. He manages to get away.
• 24:27
  I mean that's. Questionable, isn't it?
• 24:29
  Allying himself with the Daleks. In fact, that's what they do in
• 24:33
  the Lucy Miller final season is they have the Monk ally himself
• 24:37
  with the Daleks and he's effectively responsible for them
• 24:40
  finding Earth and turning it into a plague wasteland.
• 24:43
  And that's when I was like, are they getting the character right
• 24:46
  here? Because I don't think the Monk
• 24:48
  should be responsible for that sort of thing.
• 24:50
  We should be having fun with him rather than saying he's an out
• 24:54
  and out bad guy. Yeah, but again, casting
• 24:59
  somebody like Graham Garden, you're not going to, certainly
• 25:02
  for somebody of our generation. And I'm sorry I'm putting you in
• 25:05
  the same generation as me, you know, we know Graham Garden from
• 25:11
  The Goodies and I'm sorry I'm the clue.
• 25:13
  So we've got that sort of sort of comedy connection with him.
• 25:17
  So we're not going to take him. We're going to take him
• 25:19
  seriously, but not too seriously, not in the same way
• 25:22
  that we would take the master seriously.
• 25:25
  Yeah, I think. I think that's, and I and I
• 25:27
  think that's right, that we should take him too seriously.
• 25:31
  Like I said at the beginning, he should be a pest rather than a
• 25:34
  villain, yes? And if you get the comedy right
• 25:38
  and you get the actor right, like.
• 25:41
  It's not an annoying pest, It's a delightful pest.
• 25:43
  Yes, scallion. I believe that Colton, if you're
• 25:47
  from the 1900s. Oh, listen to this.
• 25:52
  That yes, this might not be a gun, but I can still do you a
• 25:56
  considerable amount of harm. He's a violent bugger, Harmel.
• 25:59
  Sometimes he isn't he. Do you not know Daniel?
• 26:03
  He was trained by the mountain Muller of Montana, I had heard.
• 26:07
  Yes. And again, that's something we
• 26:12
  kind of, you know, the sort of the, the dispelling, the myth of
• 26:16
  Harmel being the doddery old man.
• 26:18
  He isn't. He's a man of action and.
• 26:20
  And be he can be, you know, quite, quite violent.
• 26:23
  When he's fighting himself, he's vicious.
• 26:27
  He's sort of get whipping his cane around his head, isn't he?
• 26:29
  Like, yeah. And I think there's isn't there
• 26:33
  a scene in Marco Polo where you know, he sort of joins the
• 26:37
  Doctor and Ian and Tagana and you know and and Marco Polo says
• 26:41
  if you're as quick with the sole as you are with your tongue,
• 26:43
  Doctor, we shan't fail or something like that.
• 26:46
  It is that he can be portrayed as being very frail, can't he?
• 26:49
  It does happen on occasion, but then I think of those things
• 26:53
  like at the end of War Machines episode 3, where he stands there
• 26:56
  clutching his rope. Yeah, everyone else backs away,
• 26:59
  but he's the one who stands firm, yeah.
• 27:01
  When I say he's the Governor, it's moments like that, you
• 27:03
  know, Oh, he's the best. See, I could just watch a sitcom
• 27:10
  with the Doctor and the Monk. You know, going about history,
• 27:13
  yes, up to scrapes together like The Odd Couple.
• 27:17
  You know, this almost could be a carry on in parts, couldn't it?
• 27:22
  Because I love the fact that he sort of, sort of paused there
• 27:25
  while the doctor while the mug says, oh, it suits you the.
• 27:29
  Doctor gives him a filthy look, doesn't he?
• 27:34
  Oh, oh, the Vikings are here now.
• 27:40
  Does the monk get away? I can't remember.
• 27:43
  No. He he sticks around.
• 27:47
  Poor Doctor. He's been locked up again, but I
• 27:51
  wonder, did he lead them directly?
• 27:54
  It, you know, deliberately to that cell because he knew that
• 27:56
  he'd be able to get out. He's a.
• 28:00
  He's a. Big bloke.
• 28:01
  You know the Doctor, Daniel. I don't ever get bored of
• 28:06
  watching out though. I to to my shame, used to sort
• 28:12
  of avoid watching some of Hartnell stories because I used
• 28:15
  to find them a bit creaky particularly on VHS when they
• 28:19
  were all sort of foggy and and a bit you know the the quality,
• 28:24
  the picture quality wasn't so good.
• 28:25
  Although this hasn't been was it Vid fired they say Now that
• 28:29
  could have been in a carry on film.
• 28:30
  That scene there where he hits him on the head with a piece of
• 28:33
  2 by 4. Well, it's a mirror of the
• 28:36
  Doctor in the shovel in the Reign of Terror, isn't it?
• 28:38
  Yeah, they're. As bad as each other, I'll tell
• 28:40
  you. And I swear that Doctor meddles
• 28:42
  just as much as the monk does. That was something else somebody
• 28:46
  said. And I can't.
• 28:47
  I couldn't find it, They said. Isn't the Doctor a time meddler
• 28:50
  himself? He absolutely is, but I think he
• 28:54
  feels as if he's got the moral high ground.
• 28:56
  Yes, I'm like the monk. He's just doing it for a bit of
• 28:59
  a laugh. Wait, I mean, he is going to
• 29:02
  change the course of history if he blows up a, you know, if he
• 29:05
  blows up a a a Viking fleet. I think what Vicky should say to
• 29:09
  him is you remember the end of the Romans.
• 29:12
  A child. You can't blame me for all this.
• 29:15
  My fault. And he's like, oh, my fault,
• 29:18
  He's so delighted. So I'm just quite William.
• 29:23
  Aren't all like this. Now look, fuck me.
• 29:26
  The doctor's smacking him over the head now.
• 29:29
  I think it looks like it's the same piece of wood as well.
• 29:32
  Between the two of them, they've knocked out the Viking fleet,
• 29:36
  yes. Oh, come on.
• 29:37
  Don't tell me you wouldn't want a series of movies with this
• 29:40
  pair. Oh, I Yeah, I yes, definitely.
• 29:43
  Where Will. The Doctor and the monk go this
• 29:45
  time, yes, and it would have to be Peter Butterworth as well.
• 29:51
  Did you see that forest backdrop there, Harry?
• 29:55
  Newby's doing some great work in this.
• 29:57
  Yeah. I love the fact he was going to
• 29:58
  knock on the on the, the cloth door.
• 30:03
  It's just little bits like that that make it a little bit, you
• 30:06
  know, just make it just that extra bit special.
• 30:10
  Oh, he's trying to get them to light, the Beacon fires.
• 30:12
  He is, yes, And that's where they start to realise that that
• 30:18
  something isn't quite right. Daniel I have seen some stunning
• 30:24
  men's chess on display. I just watched Power Crowell the
• 30:27
  other day and you know, the swan peas were but born off well.
• 30:32
  He hasn't been working out as he well, I think.
• 30:36
  I think the the the phrase is it moves.
• 30:39
  Yes, it definitely is. And worse, hairy moves.
• 30:46
  Oh dear, Never mind. But like I said, they're still
• 30:49
  figuring out what they I can't talk.
• 30:51
  And what they can't know, or maybe actually if I want to.
• 30:56
  Peter Butterworth tried very hard not to look, I think same
• 31:02
  with Edith as well. And she's married to him.
• 31:06
  It's nice that they are betrayed, portrayed as being
• 31:10
  naive but not stupid. Yes, yeah.
• 31:15
  And then they suddenly realise they're they're not convinced
• 31:17
  though, are they? No.
• 31:19
  Well, because the Doctor's always planted a seat.
• 31:21
  The doctor's, Yeah. He spoke of a planter.
• 31:23
  Yeah. Oh, we're going to light a bunch
• 31:26
  of fires on the on the sea front.
• 31:34
  Yeah, So while I say you like the the Vikings like that,
• 31:36
  they're they're not the most sort of memorable character.
• 31:39
  I do think they're well performed, though.
• 31:41
  Yeah, they're not. They're, but they're not
• 31:44
  portrayed as being heroic vicious.
• 31:49
  I mean, they are vicious, but they're sort of in a, in a sort
• 31:52
  of bullyish sort of, you know, drunken blokes on a Friday night
• 31:56
  sort of way, aren't they? Yeah, as you saw when he was
• 31:59
  sort of, you know, he was swinging back the the Mead out
• 32:02
  of the bottle and just throwing the bottle away like you know.
• 32:06
  If we could have just got rid of that one dodgy scene, yes.
• 32:10
  We we wouldn't take them as seriously as we are now.
• 32:15
  Might have been better if they'd have just shown, you know,
• 32:19
  Edith, Edith and Warnor's sort of little house on fire or
• 32:23
  something and Edith comes home and finds it all wrecked and.
• 32:27
  Yeah, that, that that would be the.
• 32:30
  Preferable option, preferable option?
• 32:32
  Yes. It's very hard.
• 32:33
  Oh, then. Now what's all this about fires?
• 32:39
  Oh, there's a power cable coming out of the sarcophagus.
• 32:44
  What could possibly be going on in there?
• 32:45
  Let me have a look, we can get inside.
• 32:48
  Oh please, please say the parting line.
• 32:54
  It's a TARDIS. A monk's got a TARDIS.
• 33:03
  Oh, that is gold, isn't it? It is brilliant.
• 33:06
  You can imagine people would have been going what on earth in
• 33:11
  in 1965. They would have really been,
• 33:14
  yeah. And there's a sort of an
• 33:17
  excitement about, in retrospect, there's an excitement about the
• 33:20
  gears changing in the show, isn't it?
• 33:22
  Yeah, when you watch it now, there's like a free sort of
• 33:25
  like, well, this is what leads us to the Master, the Rani, all
• 33:29
  those characters. Yeah.
• 33:33
  So to finish off, Sihar has asked, has the impact of the
• 33:38
  monks got a TARDIS been lessened now?
• 33:39
  We're so used to other Time Lords being around.
• 33:42
  How would you have reacted to this in 1965?
• 33:49
  As a child, as a kid, I would have gone no way.
• 33:53
  Hey, Mum, Dad, the monk's got a TARDIS.
• 33:55
  My mum and dad were going. That's nice, dear.
• 33:57
  Dinner's ready. Yeah, you're teasing on.
• 34:01
  No, I don't think it's lost its impact at all.
• 34:03
  No, no, because it's the first time it's happened.
• 34:06
  It's like the first master reveal, you know?
• 34:09
  Or the first. Well, the first Dalek reveal,
• 34:11
  yeah. Yeah, like like, I think.
• 34:14
  You know, your first time is always generally the best.
• 34:19
  Well, quite. You know, I'll cut it there.