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Raw Dairy, Red Meat, and Saturated Fats Healed Me – Will Witt on Breaking Free from Fake Health · Everyday Ancestral with James Barry

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Imagine being the age of 20-ish and getting diagnosed with a health issue that is associated
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with 60-plus-year-olds.
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That is the story of our next guest, Will Whitt.
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Welcome to everyday ancestral, I'm your host, James Berry.
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Will Whitt was diagnosed with gout at the age of 24.
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He dealt with it differently than how his doctors told him to do it, and he is now a completely
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different person.
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Will Whitt is a two-time national, best-selling author, international speaker, and certified
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health coach.
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His videos have over a billion views online, and now he serves as the CEO of Pure Basics
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and Founder and President of Do Not Comply Health.
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He lives in Tampa, Florida with his dog Rocky.
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And make sure you stick around in this episode because Will and I talk about something that
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he started doing a while ago, and I started doing about a month ago, and I'll just give
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you a hint and it has to do with hair.
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Thank you, and please enjoy Will Whitt.
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You talk about health over fake politics, and I would love to better understand what
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fake politics are.
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What your experience was politically prior to where you are now, and what was that transition?
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So I worked for the last about seven years in the political world.
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I feel like I did a lot of great things and worked with a lot of great people who were
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also doing awesome stuff, but it came to a certain point recently a couple years ago
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where the politics just seemed like it was more so the people in the political media,
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and actual politics, and the political programs, and think tanks, whatever it was, were not
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doing it because they actually cared about the people or pushing the ideas or the values
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or the morals or whatever it was, it was about elevating themselves.
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It was about, oh, like, let's look, here's this latest, leftist video on, you know, some
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transgender person, and let's just make a reaction to it, not because I want to actually
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get this information out there, but because, oh, I'm the first one who actually saw this
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video, and I'm going to post about it and say, oh, look how crazy this is.
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You know, it was just like an echo chamber of people at a certain point where they were
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just getting mad at things, trying to find the craziest videos just to show that they
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were on this team.
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Like when I first started out in the conservative political space, there weren't really people
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doing what I was doing and like the conservative influence, or I guess you could call it.
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And now it's just like everywhere you turn, there's someone doing it, you know, it's got
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and so saturated.
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And so for me, I started having some health problems as well, about the age of 25.
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I was diagnosed with gout, which was absolutely horrible.
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I felt like I was walking around with rocks in my shoes every day.
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It was incredibly painful.
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And it wasn't until I found out about radary and more saturated fat and red meat because
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the doctors obviously weren't helping me out to do all this research myself, and it completely
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changed my life.
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And I've been gout free for years and years now, three years now.
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I'm not that old yet.
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You're still young, guy.
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Yeah, I'm still young.
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Make it sound.
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But when you say you have gout, people probably think, you know, you're 45, 50 years old.
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I was just going to say that, I mean, gout is really considered an older person's health
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issue.
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And it sounds like you did the exact opposite of what the medical system tells people how
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to deal with the symptoms of gout.
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Oh, yeah.
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I mean, they told me my doctor when I went because I didn't know any better at the time,
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right?
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I was living now lay and just living like anyone else, you know, like a normal 24 year
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old, 25 year old guy, and they said, you know, cut out the red meat, start eating more
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vegetables.
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They didn't mention anything about lifestyle, like getting out in the sun or more movement
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in your life or, you know, just even living your life for purpose.
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You know, whatever it is, there was nothing like that.
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It's always when you go to the doctors nowadays in the American medical system, it is, okay,
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here's your symptom.
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Here's how we stop your symptom.
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It's not why do you have this symptom.
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Why do you actually have this problem in the first place?
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Coming back to what you were commenting about the politics, if I'm interpreting what
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you're saying correctly, it's very ego based.
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People are very set on making themselves look right or fitting a specific narrative, as
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you mentioned.
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It feels like though, even the health industry is kind of stuck in this place.
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They're just focusing on how do I keep a certain facade going or how do I keep this
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certain message going?
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But they're not actually supporting health the way they seem to be making us think they
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are.
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I'm thinking of like the American Heart Association, any cancer associations, like from
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your political experience and then your experience in health these days, do you feel like these
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are hypocritical institutions?
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Oh, of course.
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I mean, the American Cancer Society, I mean, just even you're mentioning that, talking
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about what they say, 50% of people in their lifetime are going to get cancer and then
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they give the treatments and all these treatments do is make them tons and tons of money and
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chemotherapy and radiation therapy and cancer removal surgery and all these things when
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there are like ways that people have dealt with cancer for a long time that are natural
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type of remedies.
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So, yeah, these people are total hypocrites.
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But one thing that I set a lot in my political career that I think still stands true whether
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it's politics, health, anything like that is when you are going and calling out hypocrisy
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on these types of people.
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It doesn't really change anything because the people in power don't care that they're
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hypocritical.
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They're in power because they took power, not because they had the best facts or logic
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or anything like that.
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So, when we come and we say, oh, they're hypocrites for doing this, we're just making content
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where we're calling out their hypocrisy, it doesn't change the fact that they're still
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the ones metaphorically holding the gun to your head.
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So what I always tell people, and what we have to do is that you have to change the structures
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in place by either yourself being a leader and a role model for people or by getting coalitions
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of people who have those kind of values and pushing people to actually change their life
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styles.
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I mean, that's even more so important in the health space because it's like, let's say
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RFK Jr. and Trump and all these people, it completely changes and everything is healthy
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now and it's all so great.
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You're still going to have tons and tons of people who never move, who never get in the
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sunlight, who still eat garbage, even though the government is doing things to change,
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because they don't have that agency to go and do it themselves.
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So it's really about people actually making the choices themselves instead of just calling
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out the people who are doing these kind of things because at the end of the day, you
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can only control yourself.
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And if you're able to do that, then that's the most powerful thing you can do.
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Wholeheartedly agree, how does one do that?
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What have you found actually helps people to motivate within themselves to kind of look
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in the mirror and take that first step?
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Well, I think when it comes to the health stuff, I'm sure you understand that people who
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deal with health problems are probably going to want to change their stuff.
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I mean, for me, my catalyst was getting out for someone else.
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It might be horrible skin issues or diabetes or heart issues.
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You know, maybe their doctor said, oh, you need to go on a statin or something like that,
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thinking that all this cholesterol is bad for them and not actually understanding how
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the LDL and HDL and all the pathways work and all this kind of stuff.
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You know, there's all these different things.
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I think it really comes down to most people will have to experience something themselves
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first before they actually make that change.
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That has been my experience as well.
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People do not make food or dietary changes unless they themselves get sick or someone
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they love gets sick or dies.
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And I'm always trying to figure out, like, well, is there a way to support change before
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that happens?
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Because sometimes when that happens, you're done, like you're too late.
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I was reading the other day that it's like 49% of people in America have one or two chronic
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illnesses, but it's still not changing.
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So it takes even more, I think, than just, you know, having one of these ailments to
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actually make the changes in your life.
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It really takes like a motivated personality where you actually want to do something different.
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Not everyone's going to be like that person.
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You know, it's like I'm starting pure basics, which is, you know, the online farmers market
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and all that kind of stuff, but it's not going to be for everyone.
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It's still going to be a ton of people who go to the cheapest store and get the cheap
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China plastic stuff, the horrible for them or the food that's horrible for them, just
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because they don't want to make that change.
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I think a lot of people are just actually very scared to do so.
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Yeah.
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Now, you have your foot in the political world, in the health world.
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Like, how are you navigating between the fake news or the science-based thinking and
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I'm doing the air quotes?
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Because I find it fascinating that so many people either defend pharmaceutical companies
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and some of these institutions that have been proven to kind of not be as effective as
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they're selling themselves, but then I'm also equally surprised when I see big influencers
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standing behind scientific principles and convinced that they are correct.
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And if you look at historically, it's pretty hard to find any science that's been 100%
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correct.
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Like, I always use the example of even back in the day, they bloodlet George Washington,
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because they thought that was the science of the day of what you do.
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But now we look back and realize, oh, he probably just had a common cold.
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Had they not bloodlet him, he probably would have lived.
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It's hard to truly get behind modern science and defend it.
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Or are you navigating those rough waters?
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Well, I feel very much like we're living in Brave New World.
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In the political world, people are always talking about, it's like 1984 now with everything
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we're doing.
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I don't really feel that way.
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I feel much more like Brave New World, where it's positive reinforcement for the negative
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behaviors that you do, whether it's immoral actions or unhealthy actions or being controlled
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as a slave type of actions, you get positive reinforcement for these kinds of things.
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When I'm navigating things and thinking of that, and I'm looking at what is ABC News
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saying or Fox News or any of these kind of people and it wants to make you feel a certain
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way, then my guard goes up and say, well, why do they, why are they putting this out there?
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Why is this making me feel like either I need to be a part of this group or that I need
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to hate somebody else or fight against somebody else?
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And when I kind of get that flag inside my head, I think, let's slow down and do something
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different.
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You know, for me, I mean, I don't even watch the news that much.
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I remember it's so funny because I was so into the political stuff.
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And I was at the health food store and a guy who works there, he knows me, and he comes
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up and he says, oh, well, what's going on?
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I'm like, hey, man, what's going on?
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He's like, are you watching the debate tonight?
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I'm like, debate tonight.
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What are you talking about?
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He's like, oh, the presidential debate.
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I'm like, oh, I had no idea that was even happening.
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You know, wow.
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Like that's kind of just the life that I'm living now because it seems like that is just
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not really all that important to me.
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And I think most people put way too much stake in these things as well.
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That's a powerful point.
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So what is important?
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What's important is your own health, your spirituality that goes into more than just
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like your religion, but your purpose, your mission, your guiding principles, all these
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kind of things.
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And then your family and your community, I think those are probably the most important
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things that you can really focus on.
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I think that if everyone was to focus on those kind of things and really hone in on them,
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you wouldn't need the political stuff, right?
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I feel like people get so hung up on the political stuff because they don't have these
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kind of great things in their lives that they would actually focus on.
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You know what I mean?
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It's like, why do you need to worry about what these mouthpieces are talking about things
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that don't even affect you, you know, halfway across the country when you have great health
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and amazing family and amazing community, your purpose driven and all the things that
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you're doing, like those things kind of fade away at that point.
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They're not so important.
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But when you don't have those things, it's like, well, then these people know that they
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can pick you up for their political cause and make that your purpose, make that your
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meaning and guide you into this conundrum of being one of their slaves.
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I mean, there's really not a better way to put it, but that's what happens.
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You've become part of the party and then you're stuck.
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Yeah, it is very fascinating.
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I was recently meditating on the fact, you know, I used to live in LA clearly.
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You don't still live in LA, right?
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No, I'm over in Florida, but I live for about five years.
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You know, they just had those horrible fires and I felt so torn because on a certain level
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to your point, if I looked outside my window on the East Coast, there was no sign of fire.
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My reality was not what they were experiencing yet because of this very synthetic form of awareness
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that we get because technically our nervous systems are not built to know what is happening
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around the world.
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We were not designed like that, right?
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We're more designed to deal with our immediate community.
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So when we're getting exposed to these things to your point that are halfway around the
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world or on the other side of the country, is that actually healthy for us?
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Like are we being helpful to them?
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Are we being helpful to us?
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Is it important to be more empathetic in that moment?
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You know, in that it changes like the priority and makes it more about like, oh, we should
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be thinking and praying for those other people or do you think it's healthier to just
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almost in a sense kind of put blinders on to this modern way of awareness or a world awareness
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and just focus on what's in your heart and what's in your view?
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Yeah, that's a really, I think, difficult question, quite the philosophical question, but
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I think what it really comes down to is that if you are looking at the world and seeing
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tragedy and struggles and things and caring about it in a genuine way, then I don't see
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nearly as much of a problem as that as the people who are just using it as a means of
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again, giving themselves purpose or feeling a part of a group.
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All of this stuff goes to me really back to group identity.
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I think the way that our ancestors lived, being a part of the group was survival.
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If you were not a part of a group, you were dead on the savanna, you know, get mean by
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the saber-two tiger or whatever it was, the group identity is everything.
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And these people, the elites in charge and all these people know that they can take advantage
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of those, you call them instincts of us wanting to be accepted by a group for survival.
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If people are going online and spending all their time looking at these things, even
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if they're tragedies or whatever it is and knowing about it, but it's only so that they
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can get some sort of validation to feel like, oh, I'm in the know, then I think it really
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goes downhill very fast and it's just information overload.
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You have the access to the information right on your phone at any time that you want, but
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the thing that's different about what is going on on your phone versus like, I remember
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being a kid and going and like, if I needed to know something, I'll go into the encyclopedia
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or read it in a book or like reference it or something and it's like, that's real learning.
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You're actually learning something, but when you can just look something up on your blue
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light screen all day long, that's not real knowledge.
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It's just information overload.
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That is a major problem, I think, because people aren't really learning anymore.
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They're just getting information.
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It's almost like we get stuck in reaction mode, right?
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Not action, but reaction.
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Into your point, we start to build an identity around that, oh, like, oh, I'm so, I feel
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so much pain and so you're always the person that feels for everyone else, but you're not
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actually doing anything with that.
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If anything, it's potentially just wrecking your nervous system.
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Yeah, that's 100% correct.
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It's very easy to get tied into these things and most of these things are actually very
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unconscious, I would say.
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I would say that a majority of the behaviors that we make as humans every single day are
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unconscious.
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I believe we make up to 35,000 choices every single day, just even moving your arm like
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this or whatever it is that you do.
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Most of these choices are unconscious and they come from just a very deeply ingrained
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and rooted behaviors that we have from our ancestors, from thousands and thousands of
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years and the people who are in the media or in politics or even in the health space
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or whatever it is, know how to tap into these things and use them as means to make people
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volatile and controlled.
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This self-awareness is fascinating to me because you are young in a sense that awareness
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the intuitiveness that you're talking about does take a lot of self-awareness and separation
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from what we've been taught or potentially what we're immersed in it societally.
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You actually left college because you felt like it was pushing in an ideology that didn't
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align with you, which is kind of what you're talking about is like being aware of when
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things aren't really aligned within us, right?
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So was there like a specific moment that made you realize you had to walk away or do
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you think that self-awareness was just always in you?
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What happened to help you actually tap into it?
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I've always been a very introspective person.
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I've always been a very independent person.
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My whole life, if there was something that I needed to handle, I handled it by myself.
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If there was some sort of task that needed to be done, I would do it myself.
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I never really was someone who asked for help.
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Because of that, first of all, made so many mistakes and I've been a massive idiot a
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lot of the time.
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Because of that, I've learned so much.
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What I really feel like a lot of this self-awareness that I feel like I now have comes from having
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to rely on myself so much and seeing so many wrong choices that I have made.
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No one has controlled me or made me do anything.
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It has all been choices that I have made and done some good, some bad and saying, okay,
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this is the life that I'm living and experiencing and all these kind of things.
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What actually is the best path forward?
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And then when I can look at myself and the behaviors that I do and then also kind of put
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that on to other people and see like, well, maybe they're doing this because they actually
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suffer from this insecurity in this area or a lack of confidence here or they're doing
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this because they're lacking this sense of value or whatever it is, it's like I can see
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that very well.
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I think all this has really just come from me being really stupid for a long time and
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figuring out what actually I believe works.
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But even for you to say that there has to be a release of ego.
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And we can admit that we're wrong.
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That's a huge evolutionary process because not everyone can do that, right?
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You've been putting yourself under public scrutiny for a while now since you were very young
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and it's like that does take a certain confidence but it takes something different for you to
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admit when you're wrong or when it's not working.
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Which seems to me like you've been doing consistently.
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So was there a certain catalyst that happened that made you kind of wake up from what you
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were doing and switch gears to this kind of more open, vulnerable, less ego place?
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I'm not exactly sure.
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When I started out in politics, I was 20 years old and I moved to LA and it was like a completely
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different world.
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And I was starting to very quickly gain a lot of attention and a lot of popularity and
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things.
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Sure, I was doing things just solely to get views and likes and stuff like that.
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You know, I was pushing good values and I felt like I was doing good things for people.
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But there definitely was that degree of me seeking validation from my followers or from
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the video views and all those kind of things and you become addicted to it.
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I can see why there's so many people in this space now and just an influence or space
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and things.
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It feels really good when you have all these people saying things.
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But with that being said, it also feels really bad when you have thousands and thousands
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of people coming and saying, this is the worst thing ever and you suck and you're terrible
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and I hate you.
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And in my early years of doing this, that would really drive me down.
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So how did you deal with those moments of self doubt?
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In those moments, I'll be honest, I didn't really deal with them all too well.
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I kind of just ignored them.
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I never really actually tried to handle those kind of things or get out in front of it.
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You didn't like go to drinking or did you numb them?
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I mean, did you follow any vices?
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Yeah, I definitely drank.
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That was definitely my vice for a long time.
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I don't really drink anymore.
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I still like when I write, I like to have a little bit of whiskey, you know, sometimes.
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But other than that, I'm not too big of a drinker now.
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But yeah, I mean, when you're living in LA as a 21-year-old and the whole world is at
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your fingertips and people are starting to watch you and all this stuff, yeah, you're
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going out and drinking and partying and women, you know, whatever it is doing all this
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stuff and just feeling like you're on top of the world.
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But then like the next day, everyone hates you and you're like, well, my life is horrible
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and meaningless now because all these people hate me.
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And it's like you have to realize that the majority of these people who are in the media
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world are getting their entire sense of self-worth based off of other people.
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And I was, I was will-wit, you know, I was the will-wit.
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I wasn't will, the guy who I am inside and on my actions that I do when no one's around.
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I was the will who was in front of the camera, making the videos, talking to people on
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the streets, writing books, whatever it was.
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That was me.
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And so it came to a point where I finished my first book and I was moving out to Florida
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and I just, I became just so much like less caring of those kind of things.
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You know, I started a newspaper out here and I got a ton of hate for a lot of the Florida
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political stuff I was doing and it just got to a point where I was like, I just don't
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care anymore what these people are saying because I have self-confidence in myself.
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Like these people who are in the media, the influencers and stuff, they're the most
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insecure people on the planet.
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You won't find more insecure people than what they're doing because I know because I was
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one of those very insecure people who was getting all of my validation off of other people.
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But it got to a point where I was like, man, I just don't, I just don't care anymore.
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Was there something that happened?
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Was it the gout or can you pinpoint it on a very, you know, a specific transition point?
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If anyone has read my second book, they'll understand this but I did some very intensive
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counseling for things that I dealt with as a child, sexual abuse as a child, all sorts
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of horrible things and I'd never really dealt with that too much.
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And it wasn't until about two and a half, three years ago when I was moving out to Florida
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and really starting to get into it and I said, man, I got, I got to figure this out.
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I got to handle this.
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I can't be doing the things that I'm doing and feeling unhappy and looking for validation
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in places that I shouldn't be looking for validation and so I did very intense counseling
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with a lady who was just, oh my goodness, life saver, love this lady.
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And that was for me, like, probably the catalyst that did it because she essentially showed
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me that no matter what happens, it's going to be okay.
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You know, you don't need to be worried all the time.
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Life is going to happen whether you like it or not and realizing that it is okay is
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like not worrying so much and having confidence in yourself and not being so scared or ashamed
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or any of these kind of things and that completely changed my life.
22:50
And then once that happened, it's like, stop my newspaper, stop doing a lot of the political
22:54
stuff because I didn't want to do anything for validation.
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And so it's like, now if I'm posting a video on my social media or I'm talking about
23:02
a brand or a product or something like that, it's because I actually believe in it.
23:06
I really believe in it.
23:07
Like I was on the phone, I won't say who this is, but, you know, with a partner that
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we're partnering with, prepare basics.
23:13
And she was like, well, we love if you could share some of this stuff out there that we're
23:16
doing and do an influence or post on your story.
23:19
And I'm like, she's like, we'll talk about pricing.
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I'm like, I'll just do it.
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I'll just do it for free.
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Like you don't have to pay me to do it.
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I believe in what you guys are doing.
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I'll just do it.
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And that's how I've been operating and it feels so much better.
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It feels so much better than the way before.
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It sounds like you have tapped mission.
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Is that feel correct?
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Yeah, influence people to the good.
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As much as I can do that, you know, this kind of Dennis Prager's mantra on a lot of things
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and he was my mentor over at PragerU in California, it's just influence people to live better
23:51
lives to the good.
23:54
Regarding the therapy you went through, was there a specific type of, was it a specific
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type of therapy or was it just talking through with having the right person mirroring
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back to you, what you were saying or did you do anything specific, specific modality
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therapy or anything like that, just out of curiosity?
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Yeah, there definitely was that.
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There was some EMDR and some things like that.
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She was just very, very understanding woman with all the things that she was doing and
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really knew me and everything.
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I was, I was all about and what had gone through and she was just so helpful and wonderful,
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which I feel like you don't really find, I'm not huge on therapy, it was just funny because
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I'm also going and getting my master's now in clinical psychology as well too.
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No kidding.
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And helpful myself.
24:37
But that's because I feel like so much of therapy and psychoanalysis and all these things
24:40
are completely backwards and wrong.
24:42
That's fascinating that you're now going, you've been inspired to go into schooling for
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that.
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What about it feels wrong in terms of how it's being done and how do you want to change
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it?
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Well, I think that so much of therapy and again psychoanalysis today is so focused on
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the me aspect where it's like, oh, it's all about me and my feelings and I got to fix
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that.
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And if I fix that, I can be this fixed person and all these kind of things.
25:06
And then it diagnoses you with some sort of problem.
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And now you feel every single day like you have some sort of problem.
25:12
When reality, all this kind of stuff when it comes to psychotherapy should be about purpose,
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should be about mission, it should be about people finding the confidence in themselves
25:21
to actually do amazing things, right?
25:23
So it's like if I were to set up a practice, I probably would never do something where
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I'm sitting down with someone for 60 minutes and talking to them about how they're feeling.
25:31
I would want to set up some place like a ranch or a farm and people who have dealt with
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trauma and things can come together and they can live on the land and they can do things,
25:41
build things with their hands to build up confidence in themselves.
25:44
These are the kind of things that I feel like are actually healing for people, like actual
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real world things that give them the ability to feel like, oh, I can actually handle the
25:53
world around me and I do have worth on this planet.
25:57
Especially with the nihilistic existentialism that people are facing right now in this country.
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I mean, I would say that is the melody of my generation as nihilism and getting people
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to understand they do of self-worth.
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It's not meaningless.
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The world is a beautiful, wonderful place is imperative to fixing psychology and therapy.
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Why do you think self-worth for your generation is such a hot topic, do you think it's the
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attack and the social media stuff or the exposure to, once again, what we are already
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talking about exposure to things that aren't really in your world, but are outside of
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yourself?
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I definitely think it's a social media and stuff.
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It's creating people who are constantly comparing themselves to others.
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But we are talking before about group identity and group thinking, all these kind of things.
26:44
How can you have self-worth in the person that you actually are when everywhere you go,
26:49
more so now than ever before in history, there is some sort of group for you to join that
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is online, unconscious.
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It doesn't matter what is political, health, environmental, school, just ideas, ideology.
27:02
You know, it's like there are so many groups and it is atomized people to essentially not
27:07
even be individuals anymore.
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We are just another member of some sort of group.
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And so social media has exacerbated that.
27:14
The rise of the internet has done the same.
27:16
And I think that if people can really get back to that individuality and find this is
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what makes me, me, I'm different than this person, I'm different than that person.
27:24
This is my life purpose.
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This is my role with whether it's Christianity or whatever sort of spirituality they have.
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I can find that.
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Then they're going to be unstoppable.
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You have no idea what you can accomplish when you say no to all these different things.
27:39
But people don't want to say no because it's really scary to be on your own and do your
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own thing.
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Yeah, absolutely.
27:46
You lay yourself a primal nutrition expert.
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How did you come up with that and then what does that mean to you?
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Primal is the brand.
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So primal Mark Sissing's brand.
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He has a health coaching, what's it called service or not service, but certification
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program.
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Exactly.
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And so I went through his program.
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It was fantastic.
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I finished that about two months ago, got my certification.
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And for me, primal is very much just like, you know, it's very in line with the ancestral
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movement of just simplicity, being intuitive, like again, all these people talking about
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health stuff all the time.
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And it's like, you got to do things this way and you got to do it that way.
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For me, and what I think primal did really well and just kind of this new health movement
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is like, what feels right?
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What is intuitive?
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Like, when are you hungry?
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You should eat when you're hungry.
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You should eat things that actually make sense that came from the earth.
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You should get out in the sun.
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You should move your body a lot and do things that are fun.
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Like these kind of things, it's very intuitive.
28:44
Like anytime you feel like people are having to mold their life around doing some sort
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of program or diet or something like that, you're just setting yourself up for failure
28:54
because it's not intuitive.
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You're having to reshape your life into something that it really isn't.
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You know, of course, like the intuitiveness also comes with practice, like someone who's
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300 pounds eating horrible and never moving.
29:07
It's not going to feel super intuitive to get up and eat healthy foods and stuff, but
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it comes with time and it becomes very easy where you're not thinking of like, oh man,
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I got to eat healthy today.
29:17
It's like, oh man, I can't wait to make this.
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After a certain point that just switches over and it all just becomes very natural because
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that's what you were designed to do.
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I use the word a lot of mindfulness that to get there or to be in that, we have to
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be mindful, almost initially overly mindful to eventually kind of get to a place where
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you don't have to think as much about it, but you're just being it.
29:41
I have to imagine that that's kind of what you do, right?
29:45
Like initially when you were changing your lifestyle with Gout, you had to be very mindful
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of the changes.
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And maybe now they're a lot easier and you don't have to think about them as much.
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If that's true, what would you say would be the first kind of three things that in general
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people should be mindful about?
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Oh yeah, it's like, I remember I started doing walks every day.
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Every time after I eat, I would walk.
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And at first, I would walk for like 45 minutes, I'd do like 6,000 steps after lunch or something.
30:19
And before I had like, if you ever heard like an invisible fence, it's for your dog,
30:23
so like you can let them out and they have this one or the shocks and if they go past
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and I would just do that every single day and just let the dog out and I would never go out
30:29
and walk or anything.
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So when I first started walking a lot, now I'm getting like 10 to 11,000 steps every day,
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it felt really strange and I'm like, man, this is weird.
30:39
But then like it becomes part of your routine and you're doing it every day and it's like,
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oh man, this is awesome.
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I love doing I'm getting the sunshine with my dogs.
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I can hear nature, you know, it's fantastic.
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And so walking is definitely number one that I would say people should do.
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And you said you could hear nature, so you weren't playing music in yours.
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You weren't kind of tuning out the world.
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You were actually tuning into the world.
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Yeah.
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At first I was doing music when I would go and do my walks or even taking business calls
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and things like that.
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But I've recently over maybe the past month to month have not really done that at all
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just because I feel kind of out of touch with the world when I'm blocking it off with
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music and things, especially I'm listening to music all the time.
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So I don't need to be doing it on the walk when I'm actually going outside and outdoors.
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But yeah, walking is number one.
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I think it feels so good and helps you lose weight and epigenetic effect on your bones
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and your muscles and all these kind of things that they actually need to work.
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Sunshine of course is so important.
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And then one I think is less talked about is actually doing physical things that are
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fun.
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Competitions play things like that for me.
31:46
It's rock climbing and disc golf.
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My girlfriend and I were going rock climbing today.
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We can't wait to do it.
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It's going to be so much fun.
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It feels so good to like figure something out in your brain, like figuring out a puzzle
31:57
or winning something or anything like that.
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It's different than anything else.
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You can't get that really like lifting weights or walking or something.
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So yeah, going out and doing fun things that are physical like that, everyone should
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start doing that.
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Yeah, I love that.
32:11
I want to shift gears a little bit to the hair thing.
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We connected about this already, but I've been really curious to dive into this topic
32:19
because I think it really goes against what we're taught, what we're about to talk about.
32:27
And it really does force that question of intuitiveness and really just kind of breathing
32:32
into something that most people are not doing, but yet it makes so much sense.
32:38
And what I'm talking about is you recently stopped washing your hair with shampoo, any
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shampoo.
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And after you and I talked, I also started doing that before I share kind of my experience.
32:53
Can you share kind of why you made that decision and I'm sure you got a lot of pushback
32:58
when you put it out there.
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Once again, it's not what people are made to believe you should do.
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So why did you choose to do it?
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Yeah, I'm like a caveman.
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So I use no shampoo or conditioner, no deodorant, no toothpaste.
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Just basically like a neanderthal out here, but it just feels right.
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It just feels really natural.
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Like I feel my hair, it feels soft.
33:20
It doesn't feel dirty.
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I don't smell unless I eat badly.
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My teeth feel great.
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Like everything just feels really naturally good.
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And you find that once you put these products on and are doing it all the time, you're dependent
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on them.
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I don't think our bodies were designed to need these kinds of things.
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I would my body need to be washed every single day in my hair and all these kind of things.
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Like what kind of evolutionary benefit is that to have to depend on these products?
33:46
There's just nothing like that.
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And so for me, it just felt very right to not use them.
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And I'm not sure about you, but for me, my person who got me into all this, who was the
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biggest influence on me, was Dr. Weston A. Price.
33:59
Reading nutrition and physical degeneration was a life-changing book and you could find
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that like all these tribal people and eskimos and the people in the Swiss Alps and the Tibetan
34:09
people up in the mountains, drinking yak milk and all these things, they don't do these
34:14
things.
34:15
They don't shampoo and they don't have toothpaste and they don't have deodorant stuff.
34:20
They are just the most healthy people in the world because of their diets and their lifestyles,
34:27
constant movement, animal fats, animal foods, raw dairy, limited amounts of grains and things
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like that.
34:35
Most of them, even no grains.
34:36
And these are the healthiest people.
34:37
They don't have cancer, they don't have cavities, they don't have heart disease, they don't
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have any of these ailments that we in the West struggle with.
34:44
And then it's like, I post that I'm not doing these things.
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I don't use shampoo, any of these other things and people are like, you're crazy, you're
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going to get so sick.
34:51
They think you're lying, right?
34:52
They also think you're lying.
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I'm like, I'm sorry that it looks so good that you think that I'm lying.
34:56
You know, but it's like, this is the truth.
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I haven't used it in over a year.
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It's been about a year and a month now.
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I feel great.
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And you don't do anything at all, not a joke or anything.
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Nothing.
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Nope.
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Just water.
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And I don't use products or anything like that either.
35:10
So I have to say, so I've been doing it, gosh, when did we last talk was that a month
35:15
ago?
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Yeah.
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So I've been doing it for now a month.
35:18
What is interesting is my hair definitely seems thicker.
35:23
Your hair also looks very thick.
35:25
You share this in your video.
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There's a little bit of a process.
35:30
Almost I have to imagine like the way when you left college, there's an unlearning.
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There's almost an unwinding of the body's dependence on these things and the loss that
35:40
comes from using all these chemicals to your body re-regulating to its natural rhythms.
35:47
When you talk about that in-between step, yes.
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So if you chose to do no shampoo, and this is going to be harder for women, there's
35:53
no doubt about it.
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They have longer hair and also, you know, women just naturally care more about these kind
35:58
of things than men do.
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It's just the truth of the matter.
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You will have a detox period.
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One of the things that shampoo does, shampoos and conditioners is they rinse off all the
36:06
natural oils that your body produces.
36:08
It's the same with body soap, refusing body soap all over yourself every single day.
36:12
You're destroying the natural oils that your body naturally produces.
36:15
And so your hair and on your scalp and everything, when you are stopping the use of shampoo,
36:20
it's going to overproduce those oils.
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So you're essentially going to be having very greasy hair for you with shorter hair.
36:26
So you know, someone like me, it might be two weeks, three weeks, for women, it could
36:29
be up to a month, two months, even of going through this kind of detox phase.
36:34
But once you actually get over that hump, you'll have amazing, incredible hair, you know,
36:39
like there are stories of women doing this and not doing any shampoo.
36:43
And their hair is so thick and voluminous and amazing, like it looks incredible.
36:48
Like when you actually look at these people, not using anything.
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And of course, people always say like, you can use shampoos that don't have any parabens
36:56
or fallites and I'm or any of these toxic fragrances and stuff like that.
36:59
And that's fine.
37:00
If that's what you want to do, that's better than the alternative.
37:03
But for me, it was just like, why even do that?
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I don't need anything.
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My body takes care of itself.
37:08
If I am fueling my body with really good foods, my body is going to take care of
37:13
itself.
37:14
It doesn't need any sort of supplementation in that way, it just does what it's supposed
37:16
to do.
37:17
I don't use any deodorant as well and I don't smell as either.
37:22
And I definitely believe it's because of the clean diet and then not using chemicals.
37:27
I think it's fascinating about the women now because when I was talking to my wife about
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that she was just like, I was like, well, it's working for me and it could be because
37:35
I have short hair.
37:37
And my hair is shorter than yours.
37:39
So I was like, we now know that with really short hair like mine, it works.
37:43
Your hair is longer and it works, but you know women with long hair that it actually works
37:48
for because she was convinced it wouldn't work for a woman with long hair.
37:51
And she's like, well, I knew people in college that never did it and their hair was greasy
37:55
and gross.
37:56
Well, again, it also comes down to you diet.
37:59
Right.
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So you are eating poorly.
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Like your body doesn't have the essentially you call the building blocks to actually protect
38:05
your body, right?
38:06
So it's like something like, if for me, I don't use toothpaste and I don't brush my teeth
38:09
like religiously like a lot of people do.
38:12
If I wasn't drinking raw milk and getting all the calcium and vitamin K2 and all these
38:15
other things that I'm doing, I truly think my teeth would be a lot worse.
38:20
But because I'm fueling my body with these kind of things and you don't necessarily need
38:23
these things that Western medicine is told to you that you need.
38:26
So if you see someone and they have, they're trying this out and saying no shampoo, no
38:31
conditioner, the grease won't stop and all these kind of things and it's really bad.
38:35
It's probably because of their diet, but if they are eating well and doing things right
38:40
and getting sunshine on your head too, you know, you can even do red light therapy and
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stuff like that if you really want to.
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I don't personally do that, but you know, you could.
38:48
If you're doing that, then you're going to be okay because it is just, it's just naturally
38:53
how it works.
38:54
This is just no other way around it.
38:55
It's just naturally, that is how your body functions and if you're giving it the building
38:59
blocks to do what it naturally does, there's just no way that it wouldn't do that.
39:04
Yeah, I think you bring up a really good point is that you can't do one without the
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other.
39:08
You really do have to incorporate them both.
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The diet has to come if you're going to not use things in your hair or for your teeth
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absolutely.
39:19
You touch based on the kind of three must have just for lifestyle, let's actually recap
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that.
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So the walking, remind me the other two you said the sunshine play, thank you.
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So walking sunshine play, what would you say are the three food ones top three?
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The number one is raw milk.
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There's no other way around it.
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I love raw milk.
39:43
It is my favorite thing in the whole world.
39:45
So I go crazy for it.
39:47
My girlfriend and I, we actually did a five day.
39:49
This was last year.
39:50
Did a five day raw milk fast.
39:53
So we drank nothing but raw milk every single day for five days, no water either.
39:58
For me, my body weight was six ounces every 30 minutes.
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You're also doing bats and this was from, I got this protocol from a book by a doctor
40:07
from the 1930s because raw milk used to be prescribed by doctors for all sorts of issues
40:12
and ailments for hundreds and hundreds of years raw milk was used as medicine.
40:16
Now it's seen as oh, it's going to give you bird flu and kill you, but raw milk is so
40:20
good for you.
40:21
It is nature's perfect food.
40:22
That is almost number one, two and three to me because of the benefits that it has.
40:28
You did it for how many weeks or only five days, four, five days.
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What did you see in those five days?
40:34
I felt very relaxed.
40:36
At first you get very bloated, I would say.
40:38
It's difficult, but my skin felt really good.
40:41
One of the protocols that you're doing with the raw milk cleanse is you're also taking
40:44
bats.
40:45
So you're taking daily bats to sweat and detox and all those kind of things.
40:50
And my digestion felt really good.
40:52
It just felt really nice, like I felt really serene, I guess you could say, you know.
40:57
I only did it for five days.
40:58
So it's not like I'm getting like crazy benefits or anything like life changing.
41:03
But with any of those kind of detoxes, for me, I felt just like really on the level,
41:08
like felt really calm and cool.
41:10
I won't pretend I'm not a fan of raw milk I am, but just to play devil's advocate, what
41:14
about the people that are always like, well, when our baby calves, like that's something
41:19
like even humans only use breast milk up to a certain point.
41:24
So that argument of like, we don't need milk as an adult.
41:28
We only needed up to a certain age and particularly translate that to cow's milk that we don't
41:35
need it.
41:36
So how do you defend your choice in a way that's somewhat of a like indefensible question
41:41
in the sense of like how people always ask it, but at the end of the day, when you look
41:46
at the healthiest people across the world, 99% of these people, raw dairy is part of their
41:52
diet.
41:53
On the side, I've been what they're doing with goat's milk and leaving it out.
41:56
They literally leave the milk for a week and it's called clabbered milk, and then they
42:00
drink it.
42:01
Again, the Tibetans and their drinking gac milk and doing all sorts of stuff with it.
42:05
It is the staple of these kind of diets because of all the benefits that it has.
42:10
Humans have different guts than a lot of other animals that wouldn't go and drink milk
42:14
from someone else.
42:15
Humans can actually handle the enzymes that are within milk, raw milk, not pasteurized milk.
42:20
We actually have the capabilities to handle these kind of things and make all of the nutrients
42:24
in milk bioavailable, whereas another type of animal that doesn't have these same type
42:29
of processes can't actually use it.
42:32
Because of our unique system and our unique stomachs and things like that, we are able
42:36
to process raw milk much and raw dairy in general better than any other animal.
42:40
I think that it just has all these things in it that are, again, perfect for you.
42:45
It's a perfect food.
42:46
It literally sustains life, and there's really nothing better for you than raw milk.
42:51
Awesome.
42:52
So raw milk, number one, what would be number two and three?
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After raw milk, it's all from there, you know, that's all you need.
42:59
In that protocol book, it was so funny because it was talking about a guy.
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And if anyone wants a really good book about milk, it's called the untold story of milk
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by Ron.
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It's a great book.
43:08
It's amazing.
43:09
Everyone should read that.
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But there's like a nine.
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Untold story of milk by what's the author again?
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Ranch mid.
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Yeah.
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It's a Western A Price wise traditions partner book as well.
43:17
You guys can check it out.
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But there was a guy in there who lived for 40 years just on milk.
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That was all he had for 40 years.
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I mean, it sounds a little boring to me at the end of the day, but I mean, so cool.
43:28
The other two things, I eat a lot of red meat, you know, but everyone's kind of talking
43:31
about red meat when it comes to, you know, the fat on the red meat and the organs, obviously,
43:36
you're the man when it comes to the organs and stuff like that, you know, that stuff is
43:40
amazing.
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And I've been using it.
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You're seasoning.
43:43
It's fantastic.
43:44
Thank you.
43:45
Thank you.
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I'm using it all the time on eggs, on meat, on potatoes, whatever it is, so we're really
43:50
liking it.
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And you're feeling good as you use it.
43:52
Yeah.
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We're loving it.
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Feel great.
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Feel really, really good.
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I would say one thing that people don't always take into consideration that is somewhat
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obvious, but not so obvious is that people are eating fruit all the time.
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And you know, a lot of these kind of new health influencers like you should eat fruit.
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It's good for you.
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And I agree.
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But people are eating out of season fruit.
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And I think that eating in season fruit is imperative to actually working with the way
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nature intended, right?
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When you're eating this fruit that is growing out of season, it's lack of nutrients, lack
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of flavor.
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It's not really right for you.
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You should be looking at, like for now, citrus isn't in season.
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So my girlfriend, she does grapefruit.
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I do mandarins and stuff like that.
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Lots of lemons and oranges and things.
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Eating in season fruit, I think, is going to be a lot better in the long run than trying
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to do fruit that is out of season because a lot of times it's GMO and not made locally
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and stuff like that.
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And as lost all its nutrients, that's just by virtue of being in the grocery store and
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losing 70% of its nutrients.
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So yeah, try and eat in season and local when you do that.
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How far do you take that though?
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Because for example, region, right?
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So west coast season, very different than east coast season.
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How granular do you look at that?
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I'm not going to say here that I'm perfect at it or anything.
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I try and do my best that I can and obviously people have to work within their, first of
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all, budgets and second of all, what's available.
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I'm not saying don't eat any fruit if it's not in season, but if you can and you can
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prioritize it, I think that's definitely imperative to be able to do.
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Have you done any study because when I was in culinary school, it always surprises me
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that this doesn't get talked about very much.
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Okay.
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If you're eating fruit, that's fine, but when you eat it is key.
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So meaning certain time of the day and then also separate from, let's say like protein
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because they digest differently and doing it before protein because the digestion time
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is about 30 minutes whereas protein is something like an hour and a half or something, right?
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So what about that stuff?
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Do you put any emphasis on that?
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I have.
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So for myself, what I do, I eat fruit in the morning and fruits basically my breakfast.
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So I eat fruit up until about, whenever I get hungry for an actual meal, usually around
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11 or noon, but I'll eat fruit in the morning, dates.
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I love dates in the season fruit, berries, stuff like that.
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That actually if, you know, higher micronutrient content than some other fruits like that.
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And then maybe have some fruit later in the day, but for the most part, I'm doing fruit
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all in the morning.
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But again, at a certain point, it comes to be like, what is actually intuitive?
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That is actually just normal and it's like, you know, I know with like the rapeseed stuff
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and like healing your metabolism by catering and stuff like that.
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They're saying that you need to pair carbs fruit with proteins and fats all at the same
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time.
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If you're eating any of it, it should all be paired at the same time.
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But for me, it's like, think about our ancestors where our ancestors thinking like, well,
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I can only eat this fruit that I just found on the tree now because I just ate this, you
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know, it's like you're just doing what feels right with the whole foods that you know
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are actually good for you.
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Yeah.
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That's what it really comes down to for me.
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Absolutely.
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And I find as well that we can read as many books as we want, but at the end of the day,
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it's like, well, how does your body react to it?
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You know, and I find when I mix my fruit with too many things, like I don't feel good,
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like I get gassy.
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So it's like, well, that's to me an indication that it doesn't work for me.
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But when I eat fruit alone, it's fine.
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Like I don't have any issue.
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I do notice if I eat too much fruit, I feel bloated, but if I don't, you know, just
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one little bit, I'm good.
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So there's a lot of that kind of mindfulness extends to not only what you're putting your
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mouth, but also how is your body reacting to it, right?
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That's exactly right.
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Yeah.
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So again, you're familiar with the West and A Price stuff, like they'll talk about some
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people are more alkaline, some people are more acidic, and then, you know, depending
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on what happened in your prenatal environment, even your childhood environment with the type
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of stuff that you had can affect tastes and dietary choices and all sorts of stuff that
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come on into your adult age, you know, it's very important to look at yourself individually
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and don't think like, oh, I need to be like this guy and only eat honey and coffee until
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3 p.m.
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And then eat a pound of ground beef at five.
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It's like, think about just what works for you.
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If you find that you have some coffee with some raw milk, maybe a little bit of fruit
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in the morning, and that works well for you as your breakfast, and you feel good and
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energized and you're able to build muscle and all these kind of things, like, don't worry
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about what someone else is doing.
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Just feel good in the way that you're doing it, but, you know, everyone wants to sell
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you a program or an idea.
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So they got to make a money and tell you that this is the right way.
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So I guess for my health coaching, it's kind of difficult because I'm just like, just
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do what feels good, you know, but really, I think that's what it comes down to.
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Everyone's a little bit different.
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As we wrap up here, will you tell us about pure basic collective?
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Of course.
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Yeah.
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Pure basics collective is what we are calling the first online farmers market where we are
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taking small businesses like you like with pluck and doing one stop shot marketplace where
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you can get anything in a single car checkout.
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So imagine kind of like target or Walmart where you walk in and you can get bed sheets and
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cleaning supplies and food and snacks and skincare and makeup and all these different things
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all in one place.
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That's what we're trying to do with pure basics, but for the healthy, simple, non toxic
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ingredients.
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And I always think about my sister in the situation.
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She asked me about a million questions every single day about health and she's like, well,
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should I buy this?
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Can I eat this?
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Can I do this?
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How should I do this?
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Every single day.
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And I'm like, well, what if we just had one place where all of this is right there in
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one place and you don't have to ask these questions because even you go to Whole Foods, you go
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to Sprouts and you look on the label and it says organic, clean, natural, and it's still
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a bunch of crap.
49:36
It's not stuff that you would want to put in your body.
49:38
The green washing is insane.
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So we want it to create a place where there is no green washing.
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It's actually simple.
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Your basics is that marketplace that's taking all of these small businesses and putting
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them in one place where you don't have to think twice about the ingredients of the stuff
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you're putting in your body, putting on your body, sleeping in, that you give to your
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family.
49:56
It is all very much the best of the best.
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So we're working with myself and a couple of other health experts to make sure that we
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are vetting every product that is coming through our site.
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I know we've talked about this, but just to articulate it for anyone listening or launching
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emphasis for pure basics collective is ingredients, mission, and anything else.
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Simplicity.
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Simplicity.
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Simplicity.
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Simplicity.
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Simplicity.
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You know, like when we're looking at ingredients of stuff or what something is made over
50:29
how it's made, we're looking at what is just the most simple solution for this.
50:34
Like you might find a product that looks pretty good and then there's some ingredient in
50:38
because you could take this ingredient out
50:40
and it would be completely fine.
50:42
You don't need this ingredient,
50:43
like looking at cleaners, for example,
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like that's a one that we come across a lot
50:47
with people asking to come and list with us.
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And it's like, well, you have all these great ingredients,
50:51
you're making it out of baking soda,
50:53
or you're doing it with vinegar and lemon or whatever it is.
50:55
And then you have this weird thing in here
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that I can't pronounce.
50:59
It's like, why'd you even put that in there?
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You don't need it.
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And so for us, it's like we would tell that person,
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sorry, we can't have your product
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because it just doesn't make sense.
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If it's not simple, actually simple,
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kind of minimalist in that sense,
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then it's probably not going to be on pure basics.
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Yeah, it's fascinating because there's a lot of stuff
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sometimes like the industry is very antiquated sometimes
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where people didn't even know why
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they were instructed to do it this way.
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And then as you dig deeper,
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even the people that instructed it said,
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well, that's how it's always been done, right?
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That's their answer.
51:31
Sometimes in the culinary world,
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you'll see like wheat in meatballs or wheat
51:36
in as thickeners and soups.
51:38
And you're just like, well, why did you do wheat?
51:41
Couldn't you do something else like arrowroot or something?
51:44
And they're like, well, but this is how it's always been done.
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Like they don't actually know why or how to change it.
51:50
Kudos to you, though, for amplifying the companies
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that do know how to change it.
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And or who are doing it simpler
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with a priority towards ingredients
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that we can recognize and that our mission based
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in trying to truly help people.
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Thank you, man.
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I appreciate that a lot.
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Yeah, and we're honored to be
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in the Pure Basics Collective as well.
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Thank you so much for joining everyday ancestral.
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This has been a really great conversation.
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I love kind of geeking out on this stuff.
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So I appreciate that you do as well.
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We're going to put all the links in the show notes,
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but where would you like people
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to find you to learn more?
52:31
And should they want to reach out?
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How can they do that?
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Yeah, you guys can find me on all social media
52:37
at The Will Wit and Wit is W-I-T-T.
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And then for Pure Basics, it's purebasicscollective.com.
52:43
And our Instagram is just at Pure Basics Collective.
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Awesome.
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Well, thank you so much.
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We'll have fun today.
52:49
Rock climbing with your girlfriend.
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And thank you again for just having the courage
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to step into the unknown and be willing to mess up,
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but doing so because your intention is to help.
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So thank you for modeling that.
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Well, thank you, man.
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You're doing a great job, too,
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and I'm super happy to be on this show.
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