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Broke Bro Code (Bachelor in Paradise Episode 7 Recap) · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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Speaker 1: with on our radio.
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Speaker 2: Hey, Almost Famous listeners, we love you so much. You've
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Speaker 2: been so good to us for the last I don't
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Speaker 2: know decade, and we're so thankful for your support, your involvement.
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Speaker 2: And we have something really fun that we're gonna do
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Speaker 2: for the first time. And there's not a lot of
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Speaker 2: firsts on the show, Ashley's there's a very few things
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Speaker 2: that we can do for the first time, but this
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Speaker 2: is the first time we're doing an Almost Famous Awards.
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Speaker 2: We're looking back at Bachelor history, Bachelor and Bachelorette history,
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Speaker 2: and voting upon some of the most iconic, most epic,
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Speaker 2: most memorable moments in the franchise.
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Speaker 3: Yes, so some of these categories include the worst line
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Speaker 3: ever said, the biggest villain, the best makeout, best love
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Speaker 3: triangle in Paradise, Favorite Bachelorette. We got a lot of
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Speaker 3: categories and it's very fun. It's you know, multiple choice,
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Speaker 3: so you don't have to come with anything from the
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Speaker 3: top of your head. Because so voting is going to
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Speaker 3: be open for the next thirty days, so you can
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Speaker 3: cast your votes now. How to cast your vote? Listen carefully,
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Speaker 3: go to our socials. It's at almost underscore famous on Instagram.
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Speaker 3: And then you're going to find the link to cast
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Speaker 3: your vote on our website. You do have to enter
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Speaker 3: your email address. That way we can make sure the
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Speaker 3: votes are legit and they're not from bots. And along
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Speaker 3: the way, we'll be bringing you some conversations with the nominees.
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Speaker 3: We will reveal your winners after voting has closed. Ben,
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Speaker 3: why don't you and I do one category vote together
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Speaker 3: right now?
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Speaker 2: Deal, I'm in it again. Voting is open for the
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Speaker 2: next thirty days, so cast your votes now. Don't forget
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Speaker 2: about it. Here's how this happens. You are going to
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Speaker 2: close out the podcast. You're gonna be like, oh, vote
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Speaker 2: tonight when life is less busy, and you're gonna forget
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Speaker 2: and so go right away. It's easy cast your votes, Ashley.
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Speaker 2: I think you get to pick a cat. I'll pick
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Speaker 2: a category. I'm gonna pick for you to answer the
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Speaker 2: best love triangle?
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Speaker 3: Okay, best love triangle in Paradise? Would it be Dean,
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Speaker 3: Christina and Danielle ll That was a good one, Cat,
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Speaker 3: John Henry and Olivia. No, scratch that out. Nobody's thinking
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Speaker 3: about that one. Blake Hortsman Christina Kaylin. Then you're gonna
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Speaker 3: squeeze in Hannah Godwin and Dylan in there. I wouldn't
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Speaker 3: say that. I would say it's really between Blake and
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Speaker 3: Christina and Kaylen. This good one. I'm gonna say probably
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Speaker 3: Blake's because Blake's was fiery. Blake's love Triangle got people
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Speaker 3: freaking talking and mad. What do you vote?
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Speaker 2: I'll go Blake's too. I do think it's the most
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Speaker 2: memorable to me. And it lasted the longest, meaning it
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Speaker 2: like lasted outside of paradise.
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Speaker 3: It felt like exactly it's.
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Speaker 2: The best or the worst, but it was something.
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Speaker 3: Okay, wait, okay, let's go with this one. Let's just
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Speaker 3: play one more category. Best facial expressions. Does it go
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Speaker 3: to me? Does it go to Hakim? Does it go
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Speaker 3: to Justin Glaze or McKenna Dorn. McKenna I was from
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Speaker 3: Pilot Pede season. If you guys don't remember, she had
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Speaker 3: good facial expressions. But I'm gonna give this to Justin Glaze.
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Speaker 3: I think he's the most famous for his bugged out
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Speaker 3: eyes and big, massive expressions.
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Speaker 2: It's got to be Justin Glaze. I mean, I think, honestly,
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Speaker 2: it goes Justin Hakeem than You, the McKenna. It's gonna
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Speaker 2: be fun. Tons of categories, tons of moments. Just I
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Speaker 2: enjoyed looking back on some of these categories, remembering some
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Speaker 2: of these iconic moments. So make sure you go to
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Speaker 2: our social media click on the link, fill out your votes.
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Speaker 2: You have thirty days to do.
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Speaker 3: It, all right. Well, before we jump into the recap
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Speaker 3: for the week, I would like to say thank you
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Speaker 3: Ben for taking over for me for a lot recently,
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Speaker 3: a lot. You did so many interviews I'm not I'm
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Speaker 3: glad that you will be having your vacation in a
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Speaker 3: week and you're going for two weeks. You go to Allah.
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Speaker 2: I only get a week off because I got to
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Speaker 2: fly back to do some stuff in Los Angeles for
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Speaker 2: the almost famous podcast Secrets, Secrets.
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Speaker 3: Secrets, What do you mean? Secrets? All? Okay, Well, I
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Speaker 3: would again love to be there and you'll find out
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Speaker 3: so long I'm not there, And thank you for taking
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Speaker 3: over for my vacation week. It was so fun. We
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Speaker 3: got to do a little collab with the Royal Caribbean.
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Speaker 3: It was the craziest, coolest. I think it was probably
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Speaker 3: the coolest opportunity I've had since being on the show,
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Speaker 3: you know, besides like you know, like besides like having
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Speaker 3: a child from the show and getting there the show.
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Speaker 3: I mean like an actual partnership opportunity.
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Speaker 2: Actually, I talked about you in my executive coaching session
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Speaker 2: today based on your Royal Caribbean experience.
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Speaker 3: Was it executive? Really?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? I was talking about how fair it is that
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Speaker 2: you're having so much fun and you seem to have
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Speaker 2: taken a two month vacation from the almost famous podcast.
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Speaker 2: Why I have grinded here and then I'm just feeling
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Speaker 2: a lot of inks towards you.
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Speaker 3: I actually I feel like you do have thanks starts
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Speaker 3: to me, to be quite honest.
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Speaker 2: Why would you feel that way? What have I done
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Speaker 2: to make you feel that way?
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Speaker 3: Saying what you just said?
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Speaker 2: No, I have zero inks towards you. On some other comments,
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Speaker 2: what did I say I'm so stuck out offline?
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Speaker 3: Oh no, no, you know what? You know?
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Speaker 1: What? You know?
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Speaker 3: What you did?
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Speaker 2: I have actually zero idea?
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Speaker 3: Okay, no, no, no, no, no, no. Are you happy, Ben?
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Speaker 2: I'm very happy. I have zero inks towards you. I
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Speaker 2: know that your life is different right now, and I
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Speaker 2: have a complete understanding that.
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Speaker 3: No.
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Speaker 2: I was talking about it because I said, I was
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Speaker 2: watching your Instagram stories and it was bringing me back
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Speaker 2: to my teenage years on a cruise ship and feeling
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Speaker 2: a freedom and an adventure and an enjoyment that I
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Speaker 2: haven't felt in a long time. And I was talking
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Speaker 2: to him about finding that again an adulthood, and then
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Speaker 2: I am, I'm getting ready to go on a vacation,
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Speaker 2: and I'm excited for it. But vacations as an adult
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Speaker 2: have felt so different. Not I understand that I'm not
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Speaker 2: a kid anymore. It's not as magical. But I really
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Speaker 2: don't relax on vacation. I haven't so long because it
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Speaker 2: feels like other things going on.
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Speaker 3: Anyways, I agree, I understand that I feel like you can't.
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Speaker 3: I don't know this last time I like truly truly relaxed,
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Speaker 3: but like had fun. Always can tell you when I
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Speaker 3: last had fun. But I feel like as an adult,
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Speaker 3: you just always have something in the back of your
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Speaker 3: mind that's saying you should be doing this. You got
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Speaker 3: to get this done.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I really exactly. And so I was watching your
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Speaker 2: Instagram stories and I was going, goodness, this looks fun.
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Speaker 2: It looks fun for Ashley and Jared and the family
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Speaker 2: and the kids and I. It just reminded me of
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Speaker 2: what I've missed. It was nothing more. There was no anks,
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Speaker 2: there's no anger. There is no angst or anger in
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Speaker 2: my heart towards you at all.
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Speaker 3: I understand your situation taking over a lot lately. I
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Speaker 3: feel a lot of guilt.
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Speaker 2: Sorry maybe yeah, maybe maybe you feel you're feeling guilty.
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Speaker 2: I get that too. But yeah, it looked awesome. I
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Speaker 2: was in Tahoe, Ashley since the last time we spoke
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Speaker 2: with a lot of Golden and also current cast members
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Speaker 2: or like from like more recent episodes of The Bachelor
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Speaker 2: and Bachelorette. We had a really great time. That interviews
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Speaker 2: are coming out kind of as we speak, so make
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Speaker 2: sure you tune into the Almost Famous thread to listen
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Speaker 2: to those.
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Speaker 3: Hey, Ben, before we move on, would you like to
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Speaker 3: go on a cruise with us?
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Speaker 2: I would always love to go on a cruise with you.
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Speaker 2: I'd just like to see you again. Quite honestly, it's
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Speaker 2: it's been a long time since I've got I've gone
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Speaker 2: on a lot of trips for the Almost Famous podcast
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Speaker 2: without Ashley. At this point, it is making me sad.
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Speaker 3: It is I we don't like that. I don't like
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Speaker 3: that at all. Ben, why don't you go to the
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Speaker 3: Jonas Broller thing with us in September. He's like, no,
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Speaker 3: that's my time off. Yeah, that's your trip.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's dive into this week's episode. It's
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Speaker 2: great to have you. Actually, we're recapping Bachelor in Paradise.
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Speaker 2: It's episode seven. This episode brings out a lot of emotions,
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Speaker 2: a lot of questions. But let's start with just kind
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Speaker 2: of breaking down the first part of the episode. We
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Speaker 2: see a lot of people kind of hanging out at
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Speaker 2: this resort, Ashley. I mentioned last week when we broke
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Speaker 2: down the episode, the resort is making more sense to
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Speaker 2: me now. It is starting to like I'm understanding where
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Speaker 2: the rooms are and where the bar is. It feels
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Speaker 2: like a lot of people are spending their time kind
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Speaker 2: of huddled around the bar. We don't get as much
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Speaker 2: beach scene, which makes.
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Speaker 3: Me saying, hangs out on the beach.
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Speaker 2: I like the beach. I like seeing people doing that.
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Speaker 2: It's not happening during this season with this current setup.
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Speaker 2: But I am starting to understand it more. I'm actually
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Speaker 2: starting to get into the quality of the camera work.
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Speaker 2: Now I'm following along with storylines better. I said I
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Speaker 2: am still not sold on the money. I don't know
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Speaker 2: if I'm as against it as I once was, because
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Speaker 2: it doesn't seem to be a factor quite honestly. It
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Speaker 2: just kind of seems to be this like looming thing
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Speaker 2: that everybody knows exists, but it hasn't. We haven't necessarily
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Speaker 2: seen it affect relationships, I think until this week.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought this episode started to feel like Bachelor Pad.
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Speaker 3: I've never watched Bachelor Pad, but it felt more about
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Speaker 3: competition to me than it felt about love. And it
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Speaker 3: really made clear to me that there's nobody living here
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Speaker 3: together engaged. I don't even think engagement is really on
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Speaker 3: the table, to be honest. Interesting, I don't think like
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Speaker 3: it's never been mentioned, and there's never been anything teased
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Speaker 3: with a ring box or a kneel down as we
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Speaker 3: usually see. Yeah, I didn't not like this episode. I
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Speaker 3: just started to feel like, Okay, this is more about
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Speaker 3: gameplay now less about love, and maybe it works for
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Speaker 3: a season like this where I don't see a lot
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Speaker 3: of actual coupling happening. Spencer and Jess barely ever get shown.
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Speaker 3: You would think that they didn't even exist in this cast,
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Speaker 3: and as far as the editing. I'm wondering whether or
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Speaker 3: not they've taken some feedback from the audience because they
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Speaker 3: because it does feel slower to me, it seems less flashy.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if they're just trying to match it
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Speaker 3: to the tone of the storyline, but it seems definitely
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Speaker 3: less like modern and then interesting tidbit factoid that I
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Speaker 3: didn't pick up on until our producer mentioned it, but
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Speaker 3: they have this song almost Paradise in the slow, original
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Speaker 3: traditional sense the beginning of this episode and not their
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Speaker 3: little rematch.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, they're changing things up. You can tell
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Speaker 2: the pace is slowing, storylines are easier to follow. I
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Speaker 2: don't know the reasoning, but I do know from our
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Speaker 2: feedback from the listeners of the almost Famous podcast, people
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Speaker 2: desired for it just change, maybe to modernize, but not
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Speaker 2: to make the drastic changes it did. It was unrecognizable.
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Speaker 2: This episode really starts, I think when Wells and We're
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Speaker 2: reminded that Hannah Brown is still in Costa Rica, to
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Speaker 2: which I'm like.
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Speaker 3: Are Hannah and Wells pissed that they are there? Because
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Speaker 3: that's a lot of time dedication to be somewhere where
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Speaker 3: you're not getting much airtime.
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Speaker 2: I mean they're really getting at this point, Wells is
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Speaker 2: getting a few seconds on TV. Hannah's getting less than that.
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Speaker 2: I mean, goodness, gracious, I had forgot that she was
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Speaker 2: in Costa Rica, in Paradise until they showed up. They
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Speaker 2: met everybody and told the cast to meet Jesse in
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Speaker 2: the secret garden. This is going to be a relationship
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Speaker 2: test of the week. The test is explained to us
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Speaker 2: like this. There's a lot of couples going on. There's
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Speaker 2: gonna be questions asked, and people are going to ask
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Speaker 2: us answer these questions in secret. The people that match
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Speaker 2: the most will get a chance to meet each other
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Speaker 2: in a secret rendezvous, but also get to meet each
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Speaker 2: other kind of in the middle of this game in private.
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Speaker 2: Nobody else will know who's there and who's not there
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Speaker 2: to see if they actually want to date each other.
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Speaker 2: Here's the thing. This game doesn't work. It doesn't. It
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Speaker 2: doesn't epically fails for the show because anybody there at
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Speaker 2: this point is coupled up. They're committed. They're also not
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Speaker 2: going to be stepping out. This is not perfect match,
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Speaker 2: this is not Love Island.
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Speaker 3: Didn't feel like they were trying to be perfect magic.
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Speaker 3: Maybe it's because it was fresh in my head as
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Speaker 3: we recapped out this week too.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's only so many types of games that
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Speaker 2: I think they could play to pull off what they
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Speaker 2: wanted to do. I think they wanted to see if
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Speaker 2: there was a couple that would switch. I think they
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Speaker 2: were thinking about the Alicia and Dales, the cat and
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Speaker 2: Dale's I wanted to see. I think they tried to
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Speaker 2: create a love triangle of senses and then just backfired.
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Speaker 2: It didn't work. The only reason it worked was because
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Speaker 2: Brian and Bailey got to discuss something.
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Speaker 2: After kind of watching some Netflix reality shows, the questions
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Speaker 2: here felt like ABC or whoever?
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Speaker 3: Trying too hard?
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Speaker 2: Trying too hard, It's very weird. What's what role play
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Speaker 2: do you like?
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Speaker 3: Okay, Ben, can we talk about that question for a second. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: it was like, am I supposed to like have a
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Speaker 3: favorite role play? Like, I'm sorry, I've never played teacher student.
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Speaker 2: We don't have the time. Like it's like, hey, like
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Speaker 2: I'm feeling your feel let's let's do what we want
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Speaker 2: to do. There's not like a there's not like a
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Speaker 2: couple hours that we can just be like, hey, do
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Speaker 2: you mind going to put your nurse outfit on?
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Speaker 3: Like I'm sorry, I didn't know it was like a
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Speaker 3: normal thing, not that it's abnormal, but everybody just wrote
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Speaker 3: it down like oh duhah, do do do? And I'm like, oh, okay,
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Speaker 3: I never never done that.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure. Actually, if you asked the contestants, they'd be like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I didn't really think about like I was like just
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Speaker 2: coming up with something what's sexier?
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Speaker 3: Like I would be like, okay, I get I get
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Speaker 3: the teacher student sexiness.
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Speaker 2: But there's so many better questions.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, like I must explore this relationship because he and
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Speaker 3: I both want to be a teacher student.
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Speaker 2: They weren't questions that even hinted at compatibility exactly. There
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Speaker 2: were questions that mostly related to preference, but half of
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Speaker 2: relationship is understanding your partner's preferences and adapting and then
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Speaker 2: adapting tears. It's not compatibility questions. These were framed as, hey,
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Speaker 2: we're going to get to know what couples are really
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Speaker 2: into it, like really would work and not work. The
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Speaker 2: questions that were asked were, we're not pointing us in
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Speaker 2: that direction at all. It gave me no insight into
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Speaker 2: who would work better with another partner. So this game,
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Speaker 2: for what it was, I do think try was attempting
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Speaker 2: to do something that didn't work out for them, but
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Speaker 2: it did bring us one thing that was interesting. It
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Speaker 2: did bring us an opportunity for Brian and Bailey to
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Speaker 2: have a conversation.
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Speaker 3: It sure did, And this is the basis for basically
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Speaker 3: the entire episode.
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Speaker 2: It stretches on for so long it does.
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Speaker 3: We knew that it would come. We knew that this
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Speaker 3: would be the big drama when they did show us
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Speaker 3: the hidden camera footage in which Jeremy confided to Brian
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Speaker 3: that he basically called Susie in the interview room that
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Speaker 3: he had regrets about not keeping Susie over Bailey, and
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Speaker 3: he even made comments about getting down on one knee
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Speaker 3: if Susie were to come back. Now, let's just kind
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Speaker 3: of handle this as a whole conversation about going through
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Speaker 3: like any bitty details. He definitely did say that he
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Speaker 3: would propose to Susie. Was in a joking way, yeah,
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Speaker 3: but he denied it in this episode.
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Speaker 2: I think you're hinting on probably the biggest issue that
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Speaker 2: there's just too much lying. I think this whole episode
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Speaker 2: was wrapped around with nobody telling the truth, and that's
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Speaker 2: why it stretched out for as long as it did.
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Speaker 2: I think that's why the show had the show so
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Speaker 2: much of the back and forth At some point, I
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Speaker 2: was hoping that Wells Jesse Hannah would just step in
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Speaker 2: and be like, hey guys, just to let you all know,
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Speaker 2: nobody's telling the truth here, like it would make a
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Speaker 2: lot more sense everybody. Somebody just told the truth. But
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Speaker 2: Jeremy's lying, Brian's lying, Dale's somehow speaking wisdom and truth
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Speaker 2: into the situation, and he feels like he's saying nothing
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Speaker 2: that's gonna be my.
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Speaker 3: I was so confused when Dale was talking because I
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Speaker 3: was like, Dale, who are you trying to protect here?
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Speaker 3: And then I figured out that they were trying to
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Speaker 3: protect Jeremy and saying that Brian was being the bad guy.
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Speaker 3: Now listen, not a fan of Brian or Jeremy. Both
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Speaker 3: of them skied me out in certain ways. Sometimes Brian,
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Speaker 3: especially in the last episode, where he was like, excuse me,
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Speaker 3: you're complimenting me too much and you over communicate. I
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Speaker 3: needed to cut down on that. I was like, oh
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Speaker 3: my god, this guy sept red flags everywhere. And then Jeremy,
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Speaker 3: we all know Jeremy the thing, particularly this one, you
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Speaker 3: know him keeping the fact that he hadn't way more
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Speaker 3: interested in Susie than he led on to Bailey for
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Speaker 3: a long time, and that he never came clean about it,
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Speaker 3: and now Jeremy is basically pretended he is he lying. Yes,
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Speaker 3: I think he's lying. He's he says that he, you know,
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Speaker 3: basically is very happy with Bailey, and all those Susie
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Speaker 3: comments they happened, but they were in the past. However,
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Speaker 3: he still denies the engagement thing. What's your take on that?
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Speaker 3: What do you think? Do you think that Jeremy is
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Speaker 3: is lying to just kind of like keep in good
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Speaker 3: graces with Bailey or do you think that he has
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Speaker 3: developed stronger feelings over the past week or so.
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Speaker 2: I actually think it's a different question. Okay, I don't
19:48
Speaker 2: think Brian did anything wrong.
19:50
Speaker 3: No, No, we're all good there for sure.
19:53
Speaker 2: So do I think that Jeremy and Bailey have grown together?
19:58
Speaker 2: I don't know, because I have seen enough for me
20:01
Speaker 2: to say it.
20:02
Speaker 3: Also, you'd have hesitance about Jeremy's honesty throughout it all,
20:07
Speaker 3: because even when Susie was in the picture, he did
20:11
Speaker 3: genuinely seem into Bailey, but then he said on the
20:14
Speaker 3: hidden camera stuff like, oh she's nice, but I want Susie.
20:18
Speaker 3: So basically I don't trust anything Jeremy says okay, and
20:22
Speaker 3: then there's the Brian thing.
20:24
Speaker 2: I'm with Wells here now, same same. I don't know
20:27
Speaker 2: how much the audience will be with Wells or not
20:30
Speaker 2: on this. It seems like to me, you know, Dale,
20:34
Speaker 2: I think had a quote that said, you put yourselves
20:36
Speaker 2: in the crosshairs of a situation that would probably have
20:39
Speaker 2: been talked about tomorrow. I don't know why he thinks
20:41
Speaker 2: it would have been confronted tomorrow. I have no idea
20:45
Speaker 2: on why one more extra day would have then brought
20:47
Speaker 2: this to light.
20:48
Speaker 3: Hey, this is what Dale used on CAT a couple
20:51
Speaker 3: weeks ago. He's like, why did you deliver this news
20:53
Speaker 3: to me?
20:53
Speaker 2: Now?
20:54
Speaker 3: Couldn't you just waited a day have some tact woman
20:57
Speaker 3: And it's like, now he's doing the same thing to Brian.
21:01
Speaker 2: It seems like the timing is not ideal in Dale's
21:05
Speaker 2: mind for anything. Do I love that Brian told Bailey directly, Yes.
21:11
Speaker 2: I don't think he had to go through Jeremy for this.
21:13
Speaker 2: What was Jeremy going to say, Oh, yeah, you know what,
21:16
Speaker 2: please do go tell Bailey about my infatuation with Susie. No, Brian,
21:23
Speaker 2: I don't know his reasoning. I don't know his intentions
21:27
Speaker 2: to wanting to do this, But I do know that
21:30
Speaker 2: if you give him the benefit of the doubt, he
21:35
Speaker 2: was feeling like, hey, this relationship is growing. I like
21:38
Speaker 2: Bailey and it feels like Jeremy is not in it
21:42
Speaker 2: and she's just growing stronger feelings. And if I was Bailey,
21:46
Speaker 2: I would want to know if that was his reasoning. Okay,
21:49
Speaker 2: so he tells Bailey. Ultimately it works out. Brian Bailey's
21:56
Speaker 2: now in the No, She's not gonna have to watch
21:57
Speaker 2: it back and get you know, understand this happens. You know,
22:00
Speaker 2: when she watches on National TV, her and Jeremy are
22:03
Speaker 2: able to have a legitimate conversation where there lies in
22:06
Speaker 2: that sure, but they were able to work through it
22:10
Speaker 2: and stay together. I don't understand this bro code thing.
22:15
Speaker 2: Bro Code to me is mostly something when I come
22:20
Speaker 2: to you with a vulnerability of hey, I'm feeling a
22:22
Speaker 2: certain way and I know I don't want to be
22:23
Speaker 2: feeling this way, or I'm hurting, or hey I'm kind
22:28
Speaker 2: of messed up in the head. Can I speak to
22:30
Speaker 2: you about something? Can I confide in you about something?
22:32
Speaker 2: And then if that trust is broken, when I come
22:36
Speaker 2: to you with a vulnerability I would be upset. Maybe
22:39
Speaker 2: that is what is getting hinted at here. It feels
22:41
Speaker 2: like to me, Jeremy just continued to share with everybody
22:43
Speaker 2: but Bailey that he was still into Susie or he
22:46
Speaker 2: was into Susie, and the whole house knew it except Bailey.
22:50
Speaker 2: That's when it doesn't feel right to me, And yet
22:53
Speaker 2: Brian is the one that is getting absolutely crushed here.
22:57
Speaker 2: I am confused, like Wells is, as to the why
23:00
Speaker 2: is it because everybody else, like Cat, says something along
23:05
Speaker 2: the lines of is he you know? How do I
23:08
Speaker 2: know he's not gonna stab me in the back. Well,
23:11
Speaker 2: you would know that if you did anything that would
23:14
Speaker 2: be wrong. But Cas, up to this point, I don't
23:16
Speaker 2: know anything that you've done that he could even remotely
23:20
Speaker 2: use against you. Jeremy was doing something that made the
23:23
Speaker 2: whole house feel uncomfortable at one point in time, and
23:25
Speaker 2: Bailey was unfamiliar with it. That's why that was brought
23:28
Speaker 2: to the surface.
23:29
Speaker 3: I was like questioning my moral compass the entire time
23:33
Speaker 3: until finally, like thirty minutes into this big group discussion,
23:38
Speaker 3: well says, I'm really confused what's going on here? Because
23:42
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure Brian is trying to be the good
23:44
Speaker 3: guy and all of them are defending the bad guy here,
23:47
Speaker 3: and yeah, just that's that is what is happening. And
23:52
Speaker 3: I think that if you were to take this situation
23:54
Speaker 3: into another Bachelor in Paradise season, the cast would basically
23:59
Speaker 3: be like, so, guys, when do we tell? When do
24:02
Speaker 3: we tell Bailey? And instead in this cast they're like,
24:06
Speaker 3: all right, we all know, let's all not tell Bailey
24:10
Speaker 3: until Jeremy decides to do it. Obviously, Jeremy is just
24:14
Speaker 3: the person that they like more than Brian in the situation,
24:17
Speaker 3: and they were trying to protect him, I think. But
24:20
Speaker 3: I certainly had moments where I was just like am
24:23
Speaker 3: I supposed to? Especially when Andrew was like, yeah, dude,
24:26
Speaker 3: you broke ro code? I was like, Andrew, Andrew too,
24:32
Speaker 3: have I lost my morals?
24:35
Speaker 2: I think there is a lot at stake here. I
24:37
Speaker 2: do think they see Press and Brian as a strong couple.
24:39
Speaker 2: They have been a strong couple for a while. That
24:41
Speaker 2: could be coming into it where there is the competition aspect.
24:45
Speaker 2: I also do wonder how much of it does play
24:48
Speaker 2: into who do we like more? Who do we want
24:50
Speaker 2: to hang out with more? And you know, it could
24:52
Speaker 2: be that it's the Jeremy thing. I also believe it's
24:54
Speaker 2: a little bit of group thing. I think enough of
24:57
Speaker 2: the group got ahead of it. I I think Brian
25:00
Speaker 2: did himself a disservice by not being an adult and saying, yes,
25:04
Speaker 2: I told Bailey. I think he actually would have.
25:07
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there was that weird lie.
25:09
Speaker 2: I think the I think the lying made people feel
25:13
Speaker 2: like there was deception, and I think deception made people
25:16
Speaker 2: hesitant to support Brian well, and so I do think
25:20
Speaker 2: that comes into it. And it kind of just got
25:22
Speaker 2: mixed up where everybody got against team Brian because Brian
25:25
Speaker 2: had when their minds lied to them and he did,
25:29
Speaker 2: and then he played, you know, confused and I didn't
25:32
Speaker 2: say anything, No, it was the girls. He was blaming others,
25:34
Speaker 2: the girls that I'm mad at him. So I do
25:37
Speaker 2: think he backed himself into this situation. I don't think
25:39
Speaker 2: Brian was right and his lying to the group, But
25:44
Speaker 2: if you break it all down, you take a step back,
25:46
Speaker 2: you're like, what did he do that was wrong? That's
25:49
Speaker 2: the question ultimately outside of lying, which is wrong, but
25:54
Speaker 2: in the situation by telling Bailey, what did he do
25:57
Speaker 2: there that was wrong? Is it against Broke. I don't
26:00
Speaker 2: know what bro code is. It feels like he was
26:03
Speaker 2: trying to ultimately be the one to fall on the sword,
26:09
Speaker 2: to tell her something that was happening that would hurt
26:11
Speaker 2: her ultimately at some point. Do I ever think during Bachelor, Bachelorette,
26:16
Speaker 2: Bachelor in Paradise that you, you know, falling on the sword
26:20
Speaker 2: or being the justice warrior here is always a very
26:25
Speaker 2: difficult place to be.
26:26
Speaker 3: Touchy thing in Bachelor world. Yeah, yeah, I guess what
26:29
Speaker 3: they wanted him to do, in an ideal sense, would
26:33
Speaker 3: be to go to Jeremy be like, Hey, I've given
26:36
Speaker 3: you a week to say something to Bailey, you know,
26:40
Speaker 3: and I'm trying. I'm worried for her. You know, we're
26:43
Speaker 3: getting deep into this. I think it's time for you
26:45
Speaker 3: to say something, and if you don't say something, she's
26:48
Speaker 3: going to find out some through one of us.
26:51
Speaker 2: I think he got tired of him not saying anything
26:54
Speaker 2: to anybody, and as a result, he felt like he
26:56
Speaker 2: had to speak up. It just gets back and forth
26:59
Speaker 2: for a while. Well, Ashley, what I want to bring
27:02
Speaker 2: up for conversation is everybody's responses. Obviously, Dale steps into
27:06
Speaker 2: this very quickly and becomes kind of I guess a
27:13
Speaker 2: listening board for both Jeremy and Brian here. It felt
27:17
Speaker 2: like Dale was always kind of he said something to
27:20
Speaker 2: Brian in the sense of, I'm I didn't think you'd
27:23
Speaker 2: do this because you have a better character than that.
27:26
Speaker 2: He said to Brian at the bar, like you wouldn't
27:28
Speaker 2: say anything to Jeremy or to Bailey because you have
27:31
Speaker 2: more character than that. It felt at that point Dale
27:34
Speaker 2: knew Brian had said something, and he was just saying
27:36
Speaker 2: that to like kind of jab him a little bit.
27:39
Speaker 3: It was kind of like what he said to Kat
27:41
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago, where it's like, we've got
27:43
Speaker 3: we were raised different ways. Nothing's right or wrong because
27:47
Speaker 3: we were raised different ways, you know, it was raised
27:49
Speaker 3: like that. So and then I also want to mention
27:55
Speaker 3: how when Brian did sit down with Bailey, why why
28:00
Speaker 3: did she have to pull it out of him? He
28:02
Speaker 3: was like, hey, can I talk to you? And then
28:04
Speaker 3: they sit down and it's like he just didn't talk.
28:07
Speaker 2: I'm not saying Brian's in the right here. I don't
28:10
Speaker 2: know if he communicated anything correctly. He was hesitant, he
28:14
Speaker 2: was obviously nervous. I think he knew he was stepping
28:17
Speaker 2: on a landmine when it came to the house, and
28:20
Speaker 2: what kind of damage just could cause. He was taking
28:23
Speaker 2: a risk. I want to believe his intentions were right,
28:26
Speaker 2: but I don't know if they were. I don't know
28:27
Speaker 2: if he was doing it just to cause chaos or
28:29
Speaker 2: if he really felt like, hey, I need to let
28:32
Speaker 2: Bailey know. I think the better move here would have
28:35
Speaker 2: been for one of the girls to be the one
28:38
Speaker 2: to say something. I think it always comes you know,
28:42
Speaker 2: the message is received better, and then there's a comfort
28:45
Speaker 2: that's able to be giving when in situations like this.
28:48
Speaker 2: If Brian would have gone to Paris and said, hey, Parisa,
28:51
Speaker 2: I got your back. I feel uncomfortable being in this situation,
28:57
Speaker 2: but you or Alex, can you say some thing to
29:00
Speaker 2: baby like Alex, Yeah, it's necessary at this point, and
29:04
Speaker 2: maybe talking about it as a group. I think it's
29:07
Speaker 2: always good in these situations to get other people's opinions.
29:10
Speaker 2: It does feel like and this is a part that
29:13
Speaker 2: makes me a little nervous. Brian was pretty sold out
29:15
Speaker 2: on telling Bailey now for about you know, for a
29:17
Speaker 2: long time on the show, he was kind of convinced,
29:20
Speaker 2: I'm going to go tell her but this is the
29:24
Speaker 2: situation that lastes through the show. It does feel like
29:26
Speaker 2: the house is against Brian, and we have other storylines
29:30
Speaker 2: that are existing within the house at the time, really
29:32
Speaker 2: around Captain Kim and Faith. They can't stop touching each
29:38
Speaker 2: other making out. I think it's adorable. It doesn't feel
29:42
Speaker 2: like other people in the house are feeling the same way.
29:44
Speaker 3: They are the only actual romantic Golden couple physically speaking,
29:51
Speaker 3: and people are denying that there is anything there which
29:57
Speaker 3: I'm interested about. What do you think Faith would allow
30:00
Speaker 3: him to touch her like that if she wasn't actually
30:02
Speaker 3: feeling it back.
30:03
Speaker 2: I think they one hundred percent are into each.
30:05
Speaker 3: Other really, So what's the denial here?
30:07
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't understand where they rub people
30:11
Speaker 2: the wrong way. It obviously is something that we haven't
30:13
Speaker 2: seen at this point. It might have been Kim. You know,
30:15
Speaker 2: there was some hints at hey, he's bounced around, so weird, Yeah,
30:18
Speaker 2: to any woman that gave him attention, and Faith finally did,
30:21
Speaker 2: and so he's into it. You know at this point though,
30:24
Speaker 2: as you're a Golden it's like bounce around to anybody.
30:26
Speaker 2: It's going to give you attention and see what sticks
30:28
Speaker 2: You're obviously into her, you are caring for her well
30:32
Speaker 2: and you but you guys are are doing some wild
30:34
Speaker 2: I mean, these are some of those steamiest makeout sessions
30:36
Speaker 2: we've seen all season for anybody.
30:49
Speaker 3: So this comes to the Rose ceremony, it is the
30:53
Speaker 3: two of the two of them actually get voted off,
30:57
Speaker 3: which I was surprised because I thought it was pretty
31:00
Speaker 3: clear that if we were going to eliminate a golden couple,
31:03
Speaker 3: it should have been Kathy and Keith, because there's no romance,
31:08
Speaker 3: no romance there that self described friends. So it's it
31:12
Speaker 3: doesn't make any sense. And that's where I started kind
31:15
Speaker 3: of getting annoyed with this like competition format, because it's
31:21
Speaker 3: it is actually about teammates now, and like sometimes teammates
31:25
Speaker 3: can be romantically linked, but like also sometimes not, so
31:28
Speaker 3: like we're actually putting the show is putting it technically,
31:32
Speaker 3: technically putting these people in a position in which you
31:35
Speaker 3: could win the whole thing without actually being in love.
31:38
Speaker 3: Do I think that's gonna happen. No, I think they'll
31:41
Speaker 3: find ways around that. But with the rules as we
31:43
Speaker 3: know right now, it's like Leah and Jonathan could technically
31:48
Speaker 3: win as they did win the compatibility test.
31:52
Speaker 2: I mean, I do. I think there is going to
31:54
Speaker 2: be I think there's a good chance somebody that's not
31:57
Speaker 2: that into each other romantically could win this season. I
32:00
Speaker 2: don't think the show is going to stop it. I
32:02
Speaker 2: do think we're seeing Bachelor and Paradise change before our eyes,
32:06
Speaker 2: away from a love story to more of a competition.
32:10
Speaker 2: And that's why you don't see as many comp dates
32:15
Speaker 2: or moments where people use a famous Bachelor line. This
32:20
Speaker 2: is a perfect place for me to fall in love.
32:21
Speaker 2: Love is not is not the focal point of Bachelor
32:26
Speaker 2: in Paradise. Now, We're we prepared for that. Do we
32:29
Speaker 2: want that? As fans? I particularly, I don't really care, honestly,
32:36
Speaker 2: because I like Paradise for its chaos and for its messiness.
32:40
Speaker 2: And then I always knew with the old format of
32:42
Speaker 2: Paradise that some couples were going to come from it,
32:44
Speaker 2: and I always like that. But in the midst of that,
32:46
Speaker 2: I liked the the other stuff sometimes more.
32:50
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, like that's what I'm saying. If they do
32:52
Speaker 3: have two people there that are meant to be together,
32:55
Speaker 3: that'll be so awesome and they'll be together, which is
32:58
Speaker 3: probably what's going to happen with Justin Spun But I
33:00
Speaker 3: just don't think like their the whole end game of
33:04
Speaker 3: the show is going to be about engagement, and maybe
33:07
Speaker 3: they just didn't think they had a lot of actual
33:09
Speaker 3: couplings that could have happened, and they're like, you know,
33:12
Speaker 3: let's just put a backup plan. And that was the
33:14
Speaker 3: competition and the money, which were still still kind of
33:18
Speaker 3: don't know, like is it just going to keep being whoever?
33:21
Speaker 3: Is that the last row ceremony? Like, we're you just
33:23
Speaker 3: cute eliminating the way that we've been eliminating right now,
33:26
Speaker 3: because it just seems like that's going to take weeks
33:27
Speaker 3: and weeks. I mean, we have like four or five
33:30
Speaker 3: more episodes left.
33:31
Speaker 2: It would work four or five more episodes and we
33:32
Speaker 2: do an elimination each week. The numbers make sense.
33:35
Speaker 3: Actually they do.
33:36
Speaker 2: Here's Ashley my theory. You want to hear a theory.
33:38
Speaker 2: I have no backing for it. And the show is
33:43
Speaker 2: realizing that more current contestants are not as popular as
33:47
Speaker 2: maybe past contestants, right, You're yeah, you look back on
33:51
Speaker 2: like the Hannah Godwins and the Kalin's and the Deans
33:54
Speaker 2: and the Blakes and some people from Paradise of a
33:57
Speaker 2: few years ago, and obviously you would get in that,
34:00
Speaker 2: but you were Paradise really early on Paradise of a
34:03
Speaker 2: few years ago. You have some people that are very
34:06
Speaker 2: recognizable and doing some great things. I wonder if as
34:11
Speaker 2: they slowly transition away from the love focus, we're going
34:14
Speaker 2: to get back to maybe more of a bachelor Pads
34:17
Speaker 2: type show where some of these married couples, people contestants
34:21
Speaker 2: that have been married could still go and be a
34:23
Speaker 2: part of the show and compete without love being the focus.
34:29
Speaker 2: Because they need to get some of those names back.
34:31
Speaker 2: They need to bring back some of the people that
34:33
Speaker 2: are in relationship now and have kids. But would bring
34:37
Speaker 2: viewers to say, yeah, I want to watch that person again.
34:40
Speaker 3: Well, you know the spin off that I've always wanted,
34:42
Speaker 3: the couples competing together and challenges.
34:46
Speaker 2: I love it. That would be awesome to watch, and
34:48
Speaker 2: I would love to see some familiar faces of the
34:50
Speaker 2: past come back. I'd love to see the Andrew Firestones
34:53
Speaker 2: and the Bob Guineas competing against a Trista Sutter's similar
34:56
Speaker 2: to what we were doing in Tahoe this last weekend
34:58
Speaker 2: at the almost Famous Gathering where Trista Sutter and Ryan
35:03
Speaker 2: Sutter won the pickleball tournament. Not shocking there, not shocking
35:07
Speaker 2: at all, not shocking by any sort of the imagination.
35:11
Speaker 2: Bob Guiney competed, He competed hard. I had Dianna Stagliano
35:14
Speaker 2: as my partner. We competed hard, we fought hard, we
35:17
Speaker 2: had a blast. We just didn't win. Anyways, that's a
35:21
Speaker 2: side note, Hey, Ashley, Paradise ends like this. Kim goes
35:25
Speaker 2: home and they, like you said, fairly shocking elimination. Kim
35:29
Speaker 2: and Faith are walking out the door. They commit to
35:32
Speaker 2: maybe trying something outside of Paradise. I would be shocked
35:35
Speaker 2: if they didn't. If they don't, then it makes me
35:38
Speaker 2: think that, yes, this was never a thing, but it
35:40
Speaker 2: seemed like they're very hot and heavy.
35:42
Speaker 3: They're also both from Washington State, so why not try
35:45
Speaker 3: to make it work? Now? Listen, the one thing from
35:48
Speaker 3: the scene to the next episode that really got me
35:50
Speaker 3: was the line I don't know who said it, but goes,
35:54
Speaker 3: why don't we just try to start eliminating the strongest couples?
35:59
Speaker 3: And I go so, So that's a real gameplay right there,
36:01
Speaker 3: and that would make it not very paradise. That would
36:05
Speaker 3: truly make it not very bachelory.
36:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. I think we're seeing it evolve transition.
36:11
Speaker 2: You might like it, you might not. I know there's
36:14
Speaker 2: mixed reviews, but it does seem like people who are
36:17
Speaker 2: sticking around to watch the show are buying into this
36:20
Speaker 2: new format. They're excited about it. It is like a
36:24
Speaker 2: it's a leveled down Perfect Match, It's a level down
36:27
Speaker 2: Love Island. It's getting more and more in that realm
36:30
Speaker 2: without maybe having the like straddling scenes that we see
36:35
Speaker 2: during those kind of netflixy shows. Ashley. Some strong couples
36:41
Speaker 2: still today, Alex and Andrew Dale Kat, I guess you
36:45
Speaker 2: could say, are strong. We don't see a lot from
36:47
Speaker 2: them this episode. Obviously Jesse and Spencer, who are still
36:50
Speaker 2: there living their best life at the resort without having
36:54
Speaker 2: any screen time at all. Andrew and Alex obviously, and
37:00
Speaker 2: we still have Kathy Keith, who have no romantic connection
37:03
Speaker 2: but enjoy having a cocktail together and looking at the sunset,
37:05
Speaker 2: which I think sounds fantastic. Brian and Prisa, Sean and Alicia,
37:11
Speaker 2: we don't see. I think the one big takeaway from
37:14
Speaker 2: me this episode is we just don't see any other
37:16
Speaker 2: couples we don't know where any other couple stand after
37:20
Speaker 2: this episode more than that they still exist together. But
37:24
Speaker 2: there's no storyline that dominates this episode more than the
37:29
Speaker 2: Parsa Brian, Bailey and Jeremy conversations.
37:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, which was interesting and it came out, and we'll
37:40
Speaker 3: see whether this is done, because I don't know that
37:43
Speaker 3: it's done. I think Bailey still needs to find a
37:47
Speaker 3: little bit more out about Jeremy. She's being very trusting
37:50
Speaker 3: and very forgiving, like she said, and is that gonna
37:55
Speaker 3: hurt her in the long run. I'm not sure.
37:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, at some point, she wouldn't be wrong to say, hey,
38:04
Speaker 2: this feels messy to me, but there are still five
38:07
Speaker 2: hundred and I know she says the money's not the problem,
38:09
Speaker 2: and I'm cool going home and just saying goodbye to
38:11
Speaker 2: the money. But if you sleep on it for one
38:13
Speaker 2: night and you wake up the next morning, you're like, hey,
38:16
Speaker 2: I could stick around and still have a chance to
38:17
Speaker 2: win a half a million dollars, And just like in
38:19
Speaker 2: this thing, I don't think she'd be wrong to consider
38:24
Speaker 2: it at this point. With this format, it's not a
38:27
Speaker 2: judgment call now on if you're into the relationship or not.
38:30
Speaker 2: I don't have that feeling. I'm not saying, hey, you're
38:34
Speaker 2: tricking this person. If she is not into it and
38:37
Speaker 2: just wants stick around for the money. I think that's gameplay,
38:40
Speaker 2: and I think this format is setting people up to
38:42
Speaker 2: have strategy and gameplay more than anything we're ever familiar
38:47
Speaker 2: with from Paradise.
38:48
Speaker 3: I think that is a very good point, and that's
38:52
Speaker 3: sleep on It comment that really resonated. I feel like
38:56
Speaker 3: you can get a lot of clarity in those moments,
38:59
Speaker 3: and one of those alreaties could be Hey, I like him,
39:02
Speaker 3: I'd like to hang out with him here, and if
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Speaker 3: the chance of the money comes, then heck.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Well guys, we love you, we're grateful for you, and
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Speaker 3: we will see you for next recap next week, and
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Speaker 3: until then, we will have other episodes coming out for
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Speaker 3: you all week long. Bye, I've been Ashley, Bye, and
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Speaker 3: I've been been.
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Speaker 2: Goodness, you've been away for too long?
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Speaker 3: Yeah no, whoops. Bye.
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