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Governments Are Your Enemy · UK Column Radio

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I butchered this last time, hopefully I won't butcher this
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time. Etienne de la Boutique squared,
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thank you for joining me in the trenches.
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Did I get it right? You did, and it's a pleasure to
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be with you and your audience. You know, for your audience that
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might not be familiar with my work, I'm an author and my first
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book was called Government, the Biggest Scam in History, which I
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did, which which took quite some time to make it to South Africa.
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Took six months and this shit six months.
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No, but that's because I told you you should.
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You shouldn't use the standard Postal Service.
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It'll never, it'll never arrive. Well, I mean you know example of
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voluntarism in action. We started with the with the
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Postal Service. After 5 1/2 months of failure
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and book being returned to me here in the United States, we
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tried again with a private company, Federal Express, and
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Federal Express was able to get it there.
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Almost seven weeks, so four or five days.
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Volunteerism in action. Pardon, four or five days.
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It was very quick. Yeah, yeah, it does.
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It does. It did take a little bit but but
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they made it where the government was unable to to get
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the job done. Etienne, this is a conversation
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that I've been having a few times since 2020.
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When we realised that there wasn't too much difference
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though between governments and corporations in the private
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sector, I mean, you have, you have so much collusion going on.
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And so, so I agree with that, but also what I think that
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you're seeing, you know, especially here in the United
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States, is you're not seeing really a true free market.
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What you're seeing is crony capitalism and that crony
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capitalism starts with the banks being able to create money out
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of thin air using a technique called fractional reserve
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banking. And, and So what, what I believe
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is going on in the case that I make in government, the biggest
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scam in history and, and in my new book to see the cages to
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leave it is that the, the banks are creating money out of thin
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air and they're providing unlimited capital to favoured
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corporations to buy up and to dominate their own little, you
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know, corner of the economy. And This is why you're seeing
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the monopolisation. This is why you're seeing the
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chain stores. It's not free market.
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It's not even capitalism. Technically it would be called
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crony capitalism. And there's a fascistic
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component. So the, so the government and
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the, the corporations have partnered politically where
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certain corporations are getting, you know, contracts
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and, and you know, we're buying weapon systems that we don't
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need for wars based on lies and manufactured intelligence and,
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and just so that we can have wars and sell weapon systems.
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And you would not see that in a true free market.
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You would not see that in a voluntary world.
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It really, you know, both the, the monopolisation of
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everything, the cartelization of the, of these companies, you
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know, that really is the product of allowing the banks to create
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money out of thin air and being able to pick the winners in the
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economy. And so like, I don't think it's
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free market and I don't think it's capitalism.
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For my UK column audience who might not know your work, what
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is your? General thing So.
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So I'm a voluntarist. A voluntarist is someone that
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does not believe in the legitimacy, the necessity or the
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desirability of having a government and believes that all
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relationships between people should be voluntary.
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And so, so nobody has rights that other people don't.
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Nobody has an exemption for morality, especially the
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government. And there's a little bit of an
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understanding of kind of like economics in the sense that, you
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know, you, there's an understanding there that the,
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that the free market would provide everything that
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governments provide. You know, the, you know, armed
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Protective Services, they call the police or dispute
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resolution, they call the courts or, you know, running the, the
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air traffic control system, name it.
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Everything the government does would be done better, faster and
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cheaper by the free market. And everybody would be
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dramatically wealthier If the, if the, if the, you know, if we
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had true free market money, that the money should be gaining
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value every single year and buying more and more as
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productivity improvements and innovations reduce the cost of
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either manufacturing or distributing the luxuries and
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necessities of life. And so, so that my, my book
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government, the biggest Scam in history makes the case that
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government has been the biggest scam in all of human history.
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And that the subtitle is how intergenerational organised
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crime runs the government, the media and academia.
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And my thesis is, is that they get away with it because they're
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controlling the information that society receives about the
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legitimacy of government, about the necessity of government,
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about the desirability of government, because they're, you
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know, controlling the information you receive in the
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mandatory government school or in the accredited private
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school. They're controlling the
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information that you receive over a monopoly media system.
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And so, you know, that, you know, globally, you know, in the
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United States especially, there's about 6 companies
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running hundreds and hundreds of subsidiaries on the old school
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media side. You know, the newspapers, the
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radio stations, the television stations, every channel.
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Government is legitimate. Government is legitimate.
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Government is legitimate. And what I expose in the new
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book is that, you know, that Hollywood is making the
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government the hero in movies and television shows, their
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product, placing the flag at moments of high positive
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emotion. Their control.
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Not only are they, you know, kind of controlling the
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information just to say that it's legitimate, but they're
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actually pulling on the heartstrings in the dramas and
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in the movies to make the government seem like it is the
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good guys. And they're out there saving the
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world. Whether it's Tom Cruise saving
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the world and Mission Impossible or Tom Cruise saving the world
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and Top Gun Maverick or, you know, Mulder and Scully, you
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know, of the FBI, you know, saving the world.
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You know, from the FBI standpoint, whatever it is, you
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know, it's a trick. And so government is, and it
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isn't really government because, you know, you can think of
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government as a tool of what I call intergenerational organised
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crime. People that long ago, centuries
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ago figured out how to use government and control of
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perception to rob the population.
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But we're, but it's, it's essentially, it's always
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illegitimate. It's impossible to have a
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legitimate moral government. You can't delegate rights you
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don't have yourself. You can't be bound by a social
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contract you didn't sign. If you know my fiance and myself
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can't vote to rob Jeremy because there's two of us and one of
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him. It doesn't matter if there's 330
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million of us. There's no magical additional
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person that makes something immoral now moral.
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And so it has been the biggest scam in all of human history.
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And it is a way of robbing and tax farming populations and
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controlling populations. And that money is being
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extracted out the back door. It's being extracted from the
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banks being able to steal the value out of people's money
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using fractional reserve banking.
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It's being extracted by the weapons systems that we don't
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need to fight wars based on lies manufactured, you know,
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intelligence. It's extracted through mandatory
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vaccinations that actually harm your kids instead of help your
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kids. It's extracted and ethanol
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subsidies and other, you know, subsidies to big AG players.
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It's extracted in a, you know, in a monopoly medical system
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where the doctors are essentially trained by the
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Pharmaceutical industry to be pill pushers and, and, and, and,
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and have, you know, regulated medicine where, where only
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allopathic medicine is, is, is is allowed to, you know, be
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taught in medical schools or to be, you know, reimbursed by
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insurance or Medicare or Medicaid.
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And only AMA allopathic doctors have the ability to prescribe.
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And so there's all these different ways that government
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has structured society to hurt the population, to keep them
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dumbed down so that they can be robbed and they can be tax
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farmed. And I'm exposing that with kind
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of these easy to read picture books that take people from kind
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of zero to 60. It's not really a picture book,
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but it's, there's a lot of memes, there's a lot of
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visualisations, there's a lot of media ownership charts because
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most people are visual learners and they come to insight much
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quicker if you show them a visualisation of what I just
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talked about with, you know, with the media ownership.
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And so I'm waking people up and I'm providing tools for you to
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wake up your friends, your family and your your colleagues
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to what's really going on. Just quickly, before we go any
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further, I can guarantee you that if I don't ask you this,
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I'm going to get emails about it.
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But your name Etienne Della Boutique Squared.
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It's obviously a parody. Well, it's a, it's a nom de
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plume or a nom de guerre. It's a, it's a pen name or war
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name. And so the original Etienne de
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la Buici squared was a French political philosopher.
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He wrote in the 16th century, and he was really one of the
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first to really expose the tricks and the techniques that
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governments use, not just to get obedience, because obedience is
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kind of easy. If you've got a whip or a gun or
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a, you know, you know, you're able to dominate, but to get
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adoration and fealty and, you know, everybody wants to go to
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the White House and hang out with the president.
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And, you know, all hail the, you know, all hail the chief and God
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save the queen. And we love our rulers.
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And so he exposed back in the 1500s, he exposed the playbook
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that rulers were using, not just in the 1500s, but some of the
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techniques that he outlined in his book A Discourse on
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Voluntary Servitude. Some of those techniques were
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already 1000 plus years old and some of those techniques are
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still being used today. And so when I started, when I
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wrote my first book, I had kids in the government school system.
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And so I didn't want them to get, I was divorced, my wife had
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them in the government school system.
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I personally would rather my children be uneducated than
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educated by the state. But she waged law fair and and
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had, you know, custody and, and put them in the government
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school system against my will. But I didn't want them to get
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heat for what dad was doing. And so I used the nom de plume.
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They're now one of them is out of college and one was about to
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graduate. I can go back to my real name.
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My real name is Howard. I'll just say that.
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But like now everybody knows me is at TN Daylight.
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But we see squared and if you put in the number 2, then you
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find me versus the at the end of.
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But we see if you put in the number 2, you find me versus
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the, you know, 16th century French political philosophy.
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I asked you if I butchered it and I did butcher it and you
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said I said it correctly. It's worthy, not worthy.
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No, no, it can be either Bowie C or Bowie T And so I've actually,
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you know, I've actually had, you know, different actual French
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citizens tell me both ways. But the one that told me Bowie
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C, he was actually wearing a beret.
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And so I took his, you know, he's got to be French if he's
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wearing a beret And so like. And a commie.
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It wasn't a red beret. I'll tell you a little bit of
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trivia that you probably don't know.
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Bootie BOET i.e. in Afrikaans means little brother.
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Just thought I'd tell you that. Oh that's cool.
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I've heard that Etienne is the English equivalent of Stephen,
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but I've never heard that Bootie is brothers, so that's kind of
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cool as well. The multi layered opening that
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you gave me, we have to clarify a few things.
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So you talk about volunteerism, voluntaryism, which is another
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way of saying anarchism, but that's got a bad connotation,
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doesn't it? Well, it has a bad connotation
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because the rulers so so. Anarchy means no rulers doesn't
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mean no rules, it just means no rulers.
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But because the rulers don't want the population to know that
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there's an option on the menu called no rulers.
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The rulers have used this media system, this monopoly media
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system, OK, and even control of the dictionary, which I
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breakdown in my book government, the biggest scam in history.
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And I and I actually show, you know, compare the, the 1827
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definition of the word anarchy from the Webster's dictionary
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with the modern, you know, version from Merriam Webster.
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So you can see how it's been changed over time to chaos and
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dystopia. And so the rulers don't want the
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population to know that, that you don't really need rulers
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because if it was between rulers and no rulers, then they would
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probably choose no rulers. And so the rulers have used this
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monopoly media system to, to and control of the dictionary.
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So the so, so you know, the Merriam Webster dictionary is,
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is, is owned by Encyclopaedia Britannica, which is owned by
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the Safra banking family. And once the Safra banking
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family took it over, they put one of the heads, I think it was
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Leslie Gelb, one of the past presidents of the Council on
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Foreign Relations, on the editorial Advisory Board.
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And this is 1 of this is, you know, another example of how
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moneyed interests can control the information that you receive
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by controlling things like the dictionary and the encyclopaedia
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to make, you know, the to make, quote unquote, anarchy look bad.
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I like to use volunteerism, which means the same,
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essentially the same thing. You know, it's, it's a world
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without rulers, but it doesn't have the number one.
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It doesn't have the same baggage that that the word anarchy has.
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So you don't have to explain to somebody.
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No, I'm not the kind of anarchist that you see in the
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media, you know, dressed in black, throwing, you know,
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petrol, you know, bottles flaming, you know, Molotov
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cocktails through windows. I'm actually like, you know,
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I'm, I'm into economics and, and I think that it would, that a
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world without government, everyone would be, you know,
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dramatically wealthier and there would be more harmony in the
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world because you're not having to fight over control of the
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school board. You know, at the election level,
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where if you lose at the, at the local level on the school board,
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your kid gets taught critical race theory or gets taught LBGQT
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studies, or if you're in Detroit, gets taught Islamic
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studies or whatever it is. And so, so you would just buy
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your child whatever kind of education that you want.
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You could get a Montessori, you could get them, you know,
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Waldorf, you could get them Acton Academy.
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You could get, you know, self directed learning.
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You can get vocational school. There's no reason for us to be
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fighting over many of the things that we fight at at the ballot
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box. And you know, one of the other
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problems with government is it's it is unbelievably easy for
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monied interests to hijack the election in a variety of ways.
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Here in the United States, we vote on unauditable black box
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voting machines and with mail in ballots that are both notorious
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black box voting machines for the ability to be hijacked and
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hacked at the central tabulator and have, you know, have, have
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the vote totals changed in real time.
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And with, with, with, you know, with mail in ballots, you know,
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anybody can arrive at the courthouse with a big sack of
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ballots and throw off an election.
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And so it's, it's just, it's the worst way to organise society.
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It's the dumbest way to organise society.
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It is, it doesn't produce the goods.
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You don't get good outcomes. And I think, I think people are
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starting to realise that, that, that you're, they're not getting
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the outcome that they want. No matter how hard they vote,
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Jeremy, they're not getting the outcome that they want.
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And so I think, you know, I think it's, it's it's
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definitely, it seems to be the fastest growing political, you
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know, movement in the United States as far as I can tell.
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So I, I think democracy just as a concept is a sham anyway.
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I don't, I don't buy into it at all.
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Hans Hermann Hopp wrote a great book called Democracy, the God
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that Failed. And he, he kind of makes an
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argument that on the face of it seems to challenge what you're
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saying. He, he suggests that natural
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order is obviously the best type of, of governance of people,
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which which you know, would be order that's just naturally
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created. But with that not around,
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monarchy, he he suggests, is a better system because it's
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private ownership of of property.
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Correct. And so in in that book, you
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know, he makes the case that, you know, the monarch has a long
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term interest in his Kingdom, whereas in democracy, you know,
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these these politicians, they only get elected, you know, for
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two to four years. They may be out of office in two
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to four years. And so they have a very short
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timeline and they're, they're going to steal everything they
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can for themselves while they're, while they're in power.
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And so that, that, that, that, that, that that long term
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interest that you, you get, you actually get better outcomes
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because the monarch has a long term interest in his Kingdom
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versus the, the the elected politician has a very short
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timeline. Yes, but I was making the point
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that that monarchy is still a type of government.
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I guess you could argue that it's voluntary in the sense that
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you don't have to live in in that monarchy, but it is
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nonetheless privately owned. Right, right.
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And by the way, so now there are also examples of privately owned
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essentially countries or free private cities.
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And so in, in March of this year, we were in Prospera, you
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know, on the Isle of Rotan off the coast of Honduras, where
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where, you know, a, a group of private investors and
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businessmen negotiated a sovereignty from the, the
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government of Honduras and what's called a zed a or a zone
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of economic development, you know, within the country where
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the laws of Honduras do not apply.
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And you have a private government in many ways, like,
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you know, like a monarchy, but so that so that but it's but you
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know, there is a level of democracy in that, you know,
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people can make proposals for things and there are there,
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there's a level of elected representation, but they don't.
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But they're providing governance as a service, unlike, you know,
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so you're, you're, you're opting in to live in Prospera, You're
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agreeing to certain things, kind of like a, in an HOA, you know,
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I'm not going to, you know, if you, if you opt into an HOA,
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you're not going to paint your house pink.
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You're not going to, you know, leave cars in your front yard.
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And you're, you're going to accept, you know, reasonable
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rules to coexist, you know, with your, with your neighbours.
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But people are now, you know, moving with their feet and
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saying, hey, I'd rather live under a private government that
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guarantees me that they're never going to raise my tax.
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And by the way, Prospera has one of the lowest effective tax
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rates on the planet. And so it's a 5% income tax.
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It's a 1% tax on, on business, on business and a 2.5% retail
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sales tax. And people are saying, hey, and
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they have, you know, way better rules way better, you know, less
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regulation, less bureaucracy, less red tape, no monopolies.
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Like it's a way better form of government than than, than
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anything that's out there. And it's voluntary.
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And people are starting to vote with their feet and they're
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moving to these jurisdictions, you know, in the United States,
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people are moving to, you know, I'm, I'm actually in Florida
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right now because we're contemplating moving to Florida
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and we're looking around on my, we, we're talking about Miami.
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I'm on my way to Miami. We're, we're looking for, for,
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you know, community to live in and in Florida, because it's one
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of the top five freest states in the United States.
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And what we're doing, what we're seeing is we're seeing people in
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the United States vote with their feet and they're moving
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from places like New York and Massachusetts and California,
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and they're moving to places like New Hampshire where the
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Free State Project is. They're moving to Texas,
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Florida, Idaho. And U.S. states have way more
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individual freedom, personal freedom, less taxes, less
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regulations. And so so you're seeing that
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happen not just the United States, but around the world.
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But that's one exam. I'm a living example of that.
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I'm on a, you know, a community hunting trip to Florida right
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now and I'm living in a state called Tennessee, which is also
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one of the top five freest states in the United States.
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And so, so you know, I, you know, it's, it's a, it's a
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dynamic, I think that's going on everywhere.
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The reason why I brought up Hans Herman hops work is because it
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kind of implies that humans want governance.
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They want high rock hierarchies because it helps with the sense
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of order. Now, if you're talking about
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everybody governing themselves or everybody's an individual
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making their own decisions, how does that tug of war get played?
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Well, well, first of all, I think governance is a great
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thing. Like you can have governance
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without having government. And Prospera is a, you know, is
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a great example of where, you know, a company is taken over a,
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you know, 1000 acres in Honduras and they're offering governance
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as a service. But you're not, you're not
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having that forced on to you. You're moving to be in a place
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where you were, you know, like the same way that like an HOA
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isn't forced onto, you're agreeing to the terms of the HOA
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before you move into the, you know, the planned community.
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Now you get a lot of benefits from being in a planned
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community. I used to live in one in
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Ashburn, VA that had 5000 plus families and, and, you know,
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yeah, I can't, you know, paint my house pink or put car, you
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know, cars in the yard. But we had a like a magnificent
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community with like outdoor tennis courts, indoor tennis
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courts. I think we had seven different
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community pools, swimming pools. We had a basketball courts.
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We had indoor gymnasium and saunas and steam rooms.
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And like, it was just, it was, it was amazing.
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The amenities. So you're like, OK, well, I'll,
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I'll, yeah, I'll, I'll, I'll, you know, suffer a little bit
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under the HOA for that, for, for all of these amenities and this
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quality of life. But I can leave anytime I want.
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I can suffer if the if it changes or whatever.
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And government is very, very different.
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Government is a gun at your head that you can't not only can you
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not leave as Roger Veer just found out, but like you know,
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they'll come after you decades later, they'll kick in your
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door. They'll like it's government is
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is is is is is dangerous. It's it's creepy in many ways.
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I had a look to see if there were examples historically of
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shall we say, I don't want to say countries, but let's say
25:23
regions that haven't had government and the Viking era is
25:29
of specific interest to me because they spent about 8 or
25:32
900 years fairly government free in in the Iceland region.
25:39
A lot of people don't know this, but there aren't that many
25:42
examples and I'm and I'm wondering why.
25:46
Well, so, so there are the the Iceland is a great example of
25:51
where there was, there was no government, but also Ireland is
25:54
probably the best example that had 9000 years.
25:58
And I think, you know, part of the reason was is that
26:01
government has been the biggest scam in history.
26:05
And it what it has done is it has allowed, you know, a very
26:08
small amount of people to amass tremendous, tremendous amounts
26:12
of wealth by stealing it from the population, concentrating it
26:16
in themselves. And they don't want there to be
26:20
examples of free market, you know, no government places on
26:28
the planet. And so, you know, Prosper right
26:31
now is under attack from the commie government of as an
26:36
example, is under attack from the commie government of
26:38
Honduras. When the Zetti Law was passed
26:41
and Prosper was incorporated, there was there was no, you
26:45
know, it was a probusiness, you know, pro growth, you know,
26:49
government was in place. Communists came to power and
26:53
they didn't want an example of a thriving, low cost, low
26:58
regulation, low tax, you know, example of prosperity literally
27:04
on their doors, not, not on their doorstep in the house.
27:07
Like, like you can go in that room and it's way better than
27:10
the rest of the house. And like what's going on in that
27:13
room? Well, they're letting people be
27:14
free. They're giving people more
27:16
freedom. They're not stealing as much of
27:17
the money. They don't have as much red
27:19
tape. And and that's, that's creating
27:22
prosperity, whereas your policies are impoverishing the
27:26
population. Honduras is, is, is frankly,
27:31
she's my language, a shithole other than prosper.
27:34
And there's, there's nice places in, in, in Honduras as well, but
27:37
you get the idea. The currency is worth the, the
27:40
Limpara is worth about four and a half cents to the US dollar.
27:45
There's not a lot of economic, you know, activity going on.
27:49
There's not a lot of companies that want to have their stuff
27:51
nationalised or, you know, be under the threat of the
27:53
nationalisation that Prosper is under.
27:56
And so outside of Prospera, there's very, you know, little
27:59
economically going on as exciting as what's going on in
28:03
Prospera. And I can tell you right now
28:05
that you'll get many people saying, but that's because of
28:07
foreign influence. But but the foreign influence is
28:12
governments. Well, it is, yes.
28:16
So, so it's not just by the way, so it's not just the government
28:19
of Honduras, it's also Cuba and Venezuela and China.
28:24
And so they don't want their to like like like none of the
28:27
governments, you know, to get back to the, you know the
28:29
answer, your your regular point. None of the governments that are
28:33
running government on their population and tax farming their
28:36
population and robbing and stealing and controlling their
28:39
population want people to know that you can have harmony and
28:45
prosperity without government. So that's not in their interest.
28:50
And so in the case of Prospera, it's not just the common
28:54
government of Honduras, it's also the common government of
28:57
Venezuela, the common government of Cuba and the common
28:59
government of China that have united and, and, and, and are,
29:03
and are opposed to having an example of, of a, of a thriving,
29:09
prosperous, free market alternative to government, you
29:14
know, on their doorstep. And so that's why I think that
29:17
anytime that there is a population somewhere, whether
29:20
it's the Indians in the United States or whether it's the Irish
29:23
that were crushed by the English, you know, we're going
29:26
to stamp that out so that people don't understand that you can
29:30
live in freedom without government.
29:34
Just for clarity, when we talk about government, what are we
29:37
talking about? We're talking about a group that
29:42
has given itself a monopoly of violence over a given
29:47
geographical area. And they claim this monopoly of
29:51
violence either through monarchy, the divine right of
29:54
kings. So like a, like you said, you
29:56
know, like a king can be a government.
29:58
In that case, the king says it's the divine right of kings.
30:02
In the case of, you know, most, you know, Western governments,
30:05
it's because of easily hijacked democracy.
30:09
And so we're going to, you know, we're going to have elections
30:13
that we're controlling, that it was our idea to have elections
30:16
and that we've got a disparity of campaign funds.
30:19
And through this easily rigged election cycle, we're going to
30:22
say, oh, we're in charge because the people elected us.
30:26
Even if you didn't vote, and even if you're 100% opposed to
30:30
what the government is doing, and even if you're sitting there
30:33
going, the whole thing's a scam, it's illegitimate.
30:35
And, and, and, and you know, one of the things I want, you know,
30:39
just to really emphasise with your audience is it is, is it is
30:43
impossible to have a legitimate government even with an
30:46
election, OK? Election is the political
30:50
equivalent of a gang rape or a lynching, OK.
30:55
Just because the majority wants to rob Peter to pay Paul or
30:59
wants to lynch black folks, it doesn't make it moral just
31:03
because the the the perpetrators outnumber their victim.
31:09
And if we're on an island and there's, you know, ten of us,
31:12
OK, and we have an election and we say these four have to do all
31:15
the work and they've got to pick all the coconuts and they got to
31:18
build and whatever. And we're going to go ahead and
31:20
kick back and we're going to, you know, not do it.
31:23
That doesn't mean that the four legitimately morally are now
31:28
required to pick all the coconuts and do all the work.
31:31
Just because six people voted that these four people have to
31:35
do all the work and, and, you know, it doesn't make it
31:38
legitimate. And so it doesn't matter if
31:40
there's 10 people or if there's, you know, 331 million in the
31:46
United States people, you know, there's no magical additional
31:50
person that makes something that is immoral and illogical now
31:53
moral and logical. So it has been the biggest scam
31:55
in history. It is government has been the
31:58
biggest scam in history. And they've gotten away with it
32:01
because they, you know, my new book really breaks it down.
32:04
They have, they've indoctrinated in the United States, you know,
32:08
especially they've indoctrinated it as a religion into the
32:12
population. So, so my new book to see the
32:15
cage is to leave it 25 techniques.
32:18
The few used to control the many.
32:21
They're using unethically manipulative techniques to get
32:25
people to, to associate themselves with the country and
32:31
with the government to so they can be tricked and tax farmed
32:36
and robbed and controlled. We just had the 4th, 4th of July
32:40
and I, you know, I'm sure people around the world have seen
32:43
pictures of Americans dressed ridiculously in the flag of the
32:49
system that is robbing and controlling them.
32:52
Because they've been, they've fallen for these techniques and
32:57
they have, they have subsumed themselves into this idea of
33:02
being not a free and independent human being, but being an
33:06
American or being a Britain or being a South African.
33:10
Or they've they've associated themselves with the government
33:13
in a way that allows the government to rob and tax farm
33:16
them. And they've actually
33:18
incorporated that into their identity.
33:21
And so So what what I'm exposing in my new book is that number
33:26
one, it there, these governments are tricking you into a
33:31
religious, you know, view of having a government so that they
33:36
can rob and tax from you. What happens to countries and
33:40
culture and, and, you know, roads and all those things that
33:45
that will come up, you know, in conversation.
33:50
So, so without a doubt, because the, the, the world has been
33:54
created in this hierarchical way, this top down, you know,
33:59
way there's, there's going to be transition costs and there's
34:04
going to be, there's going to be irregularities, we'll say in, in
34:13
transitioning to a new system, to getting away from government.
34:17
But that is something that we have to do because #1 not only
34:21
is government illegitimate, not only is it illogical, not only
34:23
is it immoral, but now here in the United States especially,
34:27
you know, government is robbing the population out of the value
34:30
of the currency, stealing the value of the currency in a way
34:34
that is quite destructive to the average person.
34:37
And so we had it pretty good for a long run here in the United
34:41
States where, you know, the, the, the government's thumb
34:45
wasn't as oppressive and wasn't as, you know, destructive as it
34:50
is now. But now, you know, there's
34:53
really no denying that we're, you know, we're in, we're in
34:57
double digit inflation here in the United States.
35:00
You know, we're, we're now seeing the value of the money
35:02
that we earn and save disappear, you know, like the do, you know,
35:07
like, like morning dew in the sun.
35:09
And so it is, it's now time to, you know, like, sorry
35:13
government, but you've got to go.
35:15
You didn't deliver the goods. You didn't do what you were
35:18
supposed to do. You didn't even, you know, the
35:19
government doesn't even in the United States doesn't even
35:21
respect the, the, the natural law rights that are enshrined in
35:26
the Bill of Rights, utterly ignores them at every step of
35:29
the, of the way. And so we, you know, there's,
35:32
there's a case to be made that, OK, it was an experiment.
35:35
It didn't work. Look good on paper.
35:38
The Constitution looks good on paper.
35:40
Sounds good. Doesn't work at all at all.
35:44
Doesn't protect individual rights, does not limit
35:48
government at all. Did not work at all.
35:52
There's nobody that can stand up and with a straight face say
35:56
that the Constitution has limited government in any way,
35:59
shape or form. And there's nobody that can
36:01
stand up with a straight face and say the government is
36:03
protected. Natural law, human rights, and
36:07
so it just doesn't work. And so it's got to go even if
36:10
there's transition costs. Now, what happens when you have
36:13
no no government? Does culture fall apart or does
36:16
it thrive? I think it flourishes.
36:20
And so, you know, right now we've got, you know, a top down,
36:23
you know, in many ways the, you know, the we've got this
36:26
weaponized media system where, you know, I believe that, that,
36:30
that, that, that, that, that you're seeing depravity and
36:35
you're seeing. So, you know, if you're running
36:36
slaves, if you're running, you know, nation of slaves, you
36:39
don't want them to be moral. You don't want them to be
36:41
upright. You know, you want them to be
36:43
drunk and drugged and, you know, you want them, you know, morally
36:50
compromised. And So what I believe is that
36:53
there's a kind of cultural debilitation go, you know,
36:56
programme that is going on from the monopoly media to to tear
37:01
down the culture in many ways. And so I think, you know, you
37:05
wouldn't see that, you know, you wouldn't see the monopolisation
37:08
of the media if it wasn't for fractional reserve banking.
37:12
You, you know, you just wouldn't see, you know, a small handful
37:16
of six companies dominating every single newspaper, radio
37:21
station, television station, movie theatre, movie, you know,
37:25
company streaming service, you know, the list goes on and on.
37:30
That is that so that that denigration of the culture is a
37:33
product of government is the child of government.
37:37
And without, without, you know, without that, that ability to
37:41
provide certain companies in the media unlimited funds to buy up
37:45
and dominate their own, you know, their competition, you
37:47
just would not see, you know, what we see today.
37:51
And so I think the culture would thrive if there was not this
37:55
level of monopolisation in the media.
37:58
But if governments are so susceptible to being manipulated
38:01
and bought, that suggests that they are organisations,
38:05
companies, corporations, whatever that are more powerful
38:08
than them. There's a good Facebook or
38:10
Amazon. You're, you're, you're making my
38:13
point exactly. I don't like, I don't believe
38:14
it's government at the top of the of the pyramid.
38:18
I think it's the banks at the top of the pyramid.
38:21
It's intergenerational, or we'll call it intergenerational
38:23
organised crime. Okay, that that figured out that
38:28
the most effective way to rob and control societies is using
38:32
the technique of government. And so the technique.
38:35
So, so they lobbied and bribed in the United States.
38:38
They lobbied and bribed the US government to pass the Federal
38:43
Reserve Act in 1913, which gave, which created a private central
38:49
bank that we were never supposed to have.
38:50
We'd had two other private central banks, the First Bank of
38:53
the United States, the Second Bank of the United States, both
38:56
of them were found to be corrupt.
38:58
They were both at the end, they had 20 year charters.
39:00
At the end of their twenty year charter, they were kicked out.
39:03
The Second Bank of the United States was kicked out by Andrew
39:06
Jackson, who famously said you are a den of Vipers.
39:09
I will route you out. And then they, the, the bankers
39:12
waited, you know, you know, a couple generations until people
39:15
had forgotten about the first bank in the United States and
39:18
the second bank in the United States.
39:19
And then they lobbied and bribed Congress to create the Federal
39:22
Reserve System. The Federal Reserve System sits
39:25
behind the banks and backstops the banks to engage in
39:31
fractional reserve banking to loan out money that they don't
39:34
have to create money out of thin air.
39:36
And so when you go to a bank to get a a consumer loan or a
39:40
mortgage or a car loan or whatever it is, they're not
39:43
loaning you depositor money. They just tickle the ivories on
39:47
the keyboard. They credit your account with
39:49
digital dollars. And then you spend, in the case
39:52
of like a mortgage, you might spend the rest of your life
39:55
paying back hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars
39:58
of interest. On a loan that they created out
40:02
of thin air and the astronomical profits that they make from that
40:08
system #1 would be impossible without government, because
40:12
government is the thing that that, you know, makes it legal.
40:16
But #2 that is, that gives them the, the ability to, you know,
40:23
to buy up the media. So the media never tells you how
40:28
that system is inherently criminal.
40:31
It's inherently unfair. It's on it's, it's bad for the
40:35
economy. It's bad for, you know, human
40:38
beings. And so, so the government is a
40:41
creature of the banks, the media and the corporations are a
40:45
creature of the banks in many ways, the ones that have been
40:49
bought up by the these fractional reserve dollars.
40:52
And the world would not look like this if it was not for the
40:57
the ability of these banks to create money out of thin air,
41:00
even though it's inflationary and even though it's stealing
41:04
the value out of everybody elses money.
41:07
And so that's why you're seeing prices rise.
41:10
It's because the, you know, absent this crooked monetary
41:14
system, your dollar or your Deutsche mark or your yen or
41:19
your pound should be buying more and more and more and more each
41:22
year if it wasn't for this criminal crooked monetary
41:27
system. So how do we get to a point
41:29
without government? Well, what I believe is because
41:34
it has been the biggest scam in history, OK, most and and also
41:40
so so I'm very optimistic. I'm, I'm, you know, I'm an
41:44
optimist and what I've discovered in doing what I do is
41:48
that, you know, once you, once people realise that it's a scam,
41:53
it's something that, that at the, the Art of Liberty
41:55
Foundation, which is, which is my nonprofit, we're a startup
41:58
voluntarious think tank. We're spreading these
42:00
voluntarious ideas around the world.
42:02
We call it the one way revolution.
42:04
Because once you realise and you get it, really get somebody
42:07
really gets it in their, in their, in their, in their mind
42:10
and they really understand, hey, oh wow, there's no way to have a
42:13
legitimate moral government. The only moral and effective way
42:18
is real freedom and real freedom produces the goods.
42:22
And so it produces more harmony, it produces more prosperity.
42:26
It lifts people out of poverty. You know, like once they get
42:30
that, well, that's the good karma alternative to government.
42:34
If you're voting for, for government, whether you're
42:37
voting for Republicans or Democrats or Labour or, you
42:41
know, the Tories of the Conservatives or whatever it is,
42:45
you're advocating violence on your fellow man.
42:48
You're advocating violence on your friends, your family, your
42:52
colleagues that disagree and, and, and say, Oh no, but we, we
42:56
don't really need to have government.
42:58
There's no, there's no karmic debt to being a voluntaryist.
43:03
It's the good karma alternative. You're not trying to impose your
43:06
ruler over anybody else. You're saying, hey, the world's
43:10
a self organising place. It produces spontaneous order.
43:14
Everything the government does would be done better, faster and
43:17
cheaper by the free market. We should just leave everybody
43:20
alone. Quit trying to impose your ruler
43:23
on somebody else. And so that's, that's good
43:26
karmically and it produces the goods and it leads to harmony
43:29
and prosperity. And so once people figure that
43:32
out, very few go back to believing in in government
43:38
because nobody likes to get tricked, nobody likes to get
43:40
fooled, nobody likes to, you know, And so like, especially
43:45
once you realise that the government is running these
43:47
unethically manipulative techniques, well, who's who?
43:51
Who's going to support that? So it really is a one way
43:54
revolution and I think it's going to eventually sweep
43:58
through not just the United States, but the world.
44:00
I think that the the scam of government will be exposed for
44:05
all to see and people will abandon it because nobody likes
44:09
to be tricked. Nobody likes to be chumped.
44:11
Nobody likes to have game run on them.
44:12
Yes, but that sounds very abstract.
44:15
What are actual ways to to delegitimize the government?
44:20
So one of them I'm guessing from what you just said now would
44:22
would be to stop voting? Stop voting is 1 because you're
44:28
legitimising the government. But what I like to, you know,
44:31
what I like to do is I just like to throw like a little, you
44:34
know, sand in the gears every time that I can.
44:37
And so, you know, one of the things that I do is I, I pay in
44:41
cash everywhere I go. I try and pay in cash almost
44:44
everywhere I go. And when I give somebody the
44:46
cash, I go, you know, I'm giving, you know, I like to pay
44:49
cash because now you don't have to share it with the lying,
44:52
thieving, stealing government. And so if everybody is just one,
44:56
you know, example to your question is there, if everybody
44:58
paid cash, then more mom and pop, you know, grocery stores
45:03
and and, and and gas stations and guitar teachers and whatever
45:07
it is, would be able to keep more of their money from
45:10
themselves. They wouldn't have to declare it
45:12
to the government. You know, that would starve the
45:15
government. You know, you're starving the
45:17
banks. They're not getting the, you
45:20
know, 1.5 to 2.5% that you would give them in a credit card
45:25
transaction. The merchant gets to keep an
45:27
additional 1.5 to 2.5% that would have gone to the banks.
45:31
And so little things like, you know, and it makes it harder for
45:34
governments to bring in CBD CS, it makes it harder to track and
45:37
trace your purchases. There's just all these like good
45:40
things that that happen when you use cash.
45:43
And so using cash is, is one example of something that you
45:46
can do to destabilise the state that doesn't cost you any money
45:51
and that, you know, is is, you know, helps all of the local
45:55
merchants in your area. The money circulates in the
45:57
economy more than if it, you know, went out the door and an
46:01
electronic payment. And so, so that's one example.
46:04
Use gold, gold backs use barter silver here in the United
46:10
States, we, there's actually money starting to circulate in
46:14
the different states that is flexible spendable gold.
46:20
And so I'm, I'm holding up some of these.
46:22
These are 24 karat and gold and encased in a, you know, in a, in
46:26
a, in a polymer. This one is 1/2 thousandth of an
46:31
ounce of gold. This one is 11 thousandth of an
46:37
ounce of gold and this one is 1 100th of an ounce of gold.
46:43
So it's like a little bit bigger and and a little bit thicker
46:46
than some of the smaller ones, but you know, use alternative
46:49
currencies that are going up in value that are inflation proof.
46:54
And then that takes away part of the, you know, the power of the
46:57
government as one example of of, you know, what you can do to
47:00
destabilise it since I have my wallet open.
47:03
Another example is so I back up my book with these credit card
47:07
size flash drives. And so this is so you get a copy
47:12
of the book and, and documentaries and everything
47:15
that is being censored by Facebook and YouTube and, and
47:19
you know, other social media sites and X and Twitter and
47:22
everything like that. I put it on a flash drive that
47:26
you can carry in your wallet and you can be at a friend's house
47:29
and you can say, Hey, download this and you're able to exchange
47:32
censor proof censorship. You know, you're able to get
47:36
around the censorship. And then once somebody has, we
47:39
call them a Liberator. When somebody has a Liberator,
47:42
they are, they are authorised and encouraged to make copies
47:46
for your friends. And so you can go to eBay and
47:49
you can buy. And people do this all the time.
47:51
People come up to me at, at, at, you know, at conferences or
47:54
events and they say, Hey, I discovered your work because I
47:57
was at a liberty get together and somebody came in and threw
48:00
down 30 flash drives and everybody took 1.
48:03
And I, and I read your book on the drive and like I now I know
48:07
government's a scam. And, and so, so, so these are
48:10
just little ways that you can fight back.
48:13
You can get around the censorship and you know, you can
48:16
have a better, you know, people are using my book is curriculum
48:20
and homeschooling to explain to their kids the scam of
48:23
government and so that they're so their kids never, you know,
48:27
are are exposed, you know, never go through the mental slavery
48:31
and it is a mental slavery of Gubanare Mente, you know, the
48:35
root words of government Gubanare to control or or govern
48:40
and mente the mind control the mind.
48:43
And so so that that system that is allowed, you know, like like
48:47
if you never grow up under that, you know, that's the one way
48:50
revolution. And so, so these are just a few,
48:54
you know, small examples of how you can fight back easily are.
48:57
You a fan of Bitcoin? I'm a fan of cryptocurrency.
49:02
I think that, you know, like we could have a, we could do an
49:04
entire show on my thoughts on Bitcoin, but I actually believe
49:08
that Bitcoin was created by the NSA.
49:12
The NSA, the the the United States, one of the spy agencies
49:15
that deals with cryptography and breaking cryptography and things
49:20
like that is called the National Security Agency.
49:23
And they published a white paper that has since been declassified
49:28
called How to Make a Mint, the Cryptography of Anonymous
49:33
Electronic Cash. A decade before Satoshi
49:37
published his white paper on Bitcoin that the crypto
49:41
anarchists were already trying to solve the problem of
49:43
stateless money, of inflation proof, stateless money with E
49:47
gold and digit cash and other, you know, crypto projects.
49:52
And so I think the NSA front ran them, you know, with this
49:57
anonymous Satoshi Nakamoto, you know, white paper.
50:01
But in that, in that NSA white paper, how to make a mint, they
50:05
actually outline the blockchain and the wallet.
50:10
And so, so I think they they front ran what was already going
50:14
on. There was already crypto
50:15
anarchists that were working on the problem of stateless money.
50:19
And so I think they wanted to get ahead of, of, of the parade,
50:23
but I'm, I'm a fan of having a free market and money and crypto
50:28
is essentially a free market and money.
50:31
And and so you're, you're, you know, I'm not that like I own
50:36
Bitcoin. I sell my books for Bitcoin.
50:38
I've been selling my books for cryptocurrency and gold backs
50:42
and, and, and, and barter silver for years.
50:47
And so I've done very, very well with that.
50:49
But it is but like I'm, but I do believe that it is the NSA in
50:55
the background. And I think you're now starting
50:56
to see that because it is a public blockchain, it can be
51:00
surveilled. It can, you can't do block
51:03
analysis on it. You can't fit, you know, you
51:05
can't figure out what everybody has.
51:08
It can be track traced and controlled.
51:10
So I like the privacy coins like like Monero, Epic cash, other
51:16
privacy coins better than I like Bitcoin for some reasons,
51:20
Although I am benefiting from bitcoins rise in the sense that
51:25
I own some of it and, and it's, it's doing well because the
51:29
system is, is stealing the oxygen from the other coins with
51:33
Bitcoin, They're they're, they're all in on it together at
51:36
a certain, certain degree. And it's been chosen the winner
51:40
because it doesn't threaten the central banks because it's so
51:43
slow and the transaction fees are so high that I think that's
51:48
the reason it was chosen because it did not really threaten the
51:52
the banks immediately. The way that different
51:55
currencies that had, you know, better privacy features or had
51:59
lower transaction costs or had, you know, or had faster
52:05
settlements, you know, would have actually threatened the
52:08
dollar. So we'll, we'll steal all the
52:11
oxygen out of those coins and we'll bring, you know, all the
52:14
focus on this one cryptocurrency that is essentially broken, that
52:19
is not really going to threaten the the dollar system in the
52:22
short term. And then that gives us time to,
52:25
to, you know, to, to build out what we want to build out, which
52:28
is using Bitcoin to, to tax, trace and surveil the
52:32
population. An observation that that you
52:36
might share is there is a very strange type of Messiah complex,
52:43
saviour complex going on in the world.
52:46
Trump, for example, he's going to save us.
52:49
And so it's one of the techniques in my new book that I
52:52
discuss to see the cages to leave it.
52:55
And so one of the 2025 techniques is that people that
52:59
human beings, we touched on this a second ago, but human beings
53:02
are predisposed to have a leader.
53:05
And that's called evolutionary leader theory in psychology.
53:10
And the idea is that that, you know, we're, we, we, we have a,
53:14
we're a tribal system. And so the, the country is the
53:17
artificial tribe. But in, in the tribe, it was an
53:21
evolutionary advantage to have a strong leader.
53:25
And so human beings, unless you yourself are a leader, you are
53:30
innately predisposed to want to have a leader.
53:34
And so this organised crime system understands behavioural
53:38
psychology. And So what they're going to do
53:40
is they're going to give the population a choice between red
53:44
leader and blue leader. And then because human beings
53:49
need to have a leader, many, many human beings feel and
53:52
believe in their heart of hearts that they have to have a leader.
53:55
They're going to infuse their identity with their preferred
54:00
leader, not understanding that it's a complete fake choice.
54:04
It's a, it's what's called a Hobson's choice.
54:07
Old man Hopson ran a livery stable.
54:10
You could rent any stable, you could have any, rent any horse
54:13
in the stable as long as it was the black one at the end of the,
54:16
at the end of the stalls. And so Hopson's choice is a fake
54:20
choice. And so the so the this organised
54:24
crime system is going to give you blue leader or red leader,
54:29
but the reality is, is that both blue leader and red leader are
54:34
100% aligned on all of the issues that are important to the
54:39
ruling system. And then they squabble over kind
54:43
of hot button issues that don't really matter to the rulers, but
54:47
they can get the population all hot and bothered, whether it's,
54:51
you know, transgender issues or whether it's abortion or, you
54:57
know, like different things like that.
54:59
They'll, they'll, you know, they'll fight over those issues.
55:02
But both the Republicans and the Democrat at the, at the
55:06
leadership level in Washington, DC, they're 100% aligned on
55:10
fractional reserve banking. They're 100% line aligned on
55:14
confiscatory taxation. They're 100% aligned on them
55:18
giving the orders and you taking them.
55:20
They're 100% lined on endless wars.
55:23
They're 100% lined on our support for Israel.
55:26
They're 100% aligned on a great many things that aren't in the,
55:30
you know, aren't in the interests of the population.
55:33
And, you know, years ago we had a, you know, we had a, you know,
55:38
we had a, the banks were proposing a bailout of $750
55:42
billion that, according to Bloomberg, ended up being $29
55:45
trillion. And the population was opposed
55:49
to it. Like some, somewhere around 90%
55:51
of the population was opposed to bailing out the banks and giving
55:55
the banks a nickel. And the politicians did it
55:58
anyway. And so there is no, you know,
56:00
there is no real democracy. There is no real, you know,
56:03
electing a representative. It's 100% rigged system.
56:06
There's no way to win it. The only way to win is not to
56:09
play. The system has created such a
56:14
beautiful confusion within the population.
56:18
Well, Sue, Sue, you know, and I break it down in the book again.
56:22
And so if you're controlling the information that society
56:25
receives through this monopoly media system, you can make them
56:30
believe a great many things. You can make them believe that
56:33
tariffs are, are are are are good for American manufacturing
56:37
and American jobs and everything, even though it's
56:39
essentially A stealth tax. And I believe that they're
56:42
actually going with the tariffs because it's because so many
56:45
people in the United States are not paying their income tax.
56:48
10's and 10s of millions of people are not paying their
56:50
income tax that it's easier for them to get their their hand
56:54
around the throat of the importer or the exporter than it
56:57
is that for, you know, to try and run around to the 10s of
57:00
millions of people in the United States that aren't paying their
57:02
income tax and trying to, you know, like collect back China.
57:04
And so it's just wait, yeah, yeah.
57:06
So like, so they're so, so now the population, not only do they
57:10
have, do they still have the income tax, but now they've got
57:13
these tariffs. And I got news for you, you
57:16
know, you know, Joe 6 pack and Jane bag lunch, that tariff, the
57:23
companies don't pay the tariff. The companies pass along the
57:28
cost of the tariff on to you and higher prices.
57:32
And so you're the one that's paying the tariff.
57:36
You're the one. It's just a tax.
57:37
It's a hidden tax. And so, you know, a lot of the
57:41
population doesn't understand that because the television is
57:44
telling them one thing and they're there.
57:47
They're having the information about the reality of the
57:50
situation controlled to them. And if you don't understand that
57:53
that's going on, you're crippled.
57:56
You're not even in the game. You don't, you're not even on
57:58
the field if you don't understand how they're
58:02
controlling the population with the screens and being able to
58:06
manipulate the information that the society receives.
58:09
Thieves, right here is the pirate signal.
58:12
This is the Nebuchadnezzar, you know, surfacing.
58:15
You're getting, you know, actual like, you know, truth that
58:19
you're not going to get on the mainstream media.
58:22
You're never going to see on the mainstream media or the
58:25
mainstream alternative media, voluntarist ideas.
58:29
You're never going to see on the mainstream media somebody
58:32
telling you that the government itself is inherently immoral,
58:35
illogical and illegitimate. You're just never going to see
58:39
that. And so it's only through these
58:41
pirate broadcasts that you know, that that we're getting truth to
58:46
the people. And I think in the information
58:48
age, ultimately, we're going to power over the mainstream media.
58:53
There's so many podcasts, there's so many people that are
58:56
now, you know, telling what they know and exposing the scam of
59:00
government and the legitimacy of government and the criminality
59:03
of government, that there's no way to hide it in the
59:06
information age. And so I think we win in the end
59:10
because there's just no way to stop the signal.
59:12
And there also are some good books that go back a few decades
59:17
that are worth reading. Also, Adam Smith I think wrote
59:20
some good stuff. So did Murray Rothbard, Ludwig
59:22
von Mises, Hayek, Friedrich Hayek, and even and even a
59:28
little bit of Milton Friedman. I have most of those on the
59:33
Liberator. So, so, so, so again, so there's
59:37
no way to stop the signal. There's no way to stop somebody
59:41
handing A Liberator to a friend or a family member or a
59:45
colleague and saying this is the information that is being hidden
59:49
from society, you know, and and not only you know, can you have
59:54
it, but you can make copies for your friends and your colleagues
59:58
and, and family as well. And so there's no way to stop
1:00:01
the signal in the information age.
1:00:03
Well you have plugged your your your book quite a lot SO11 last
1:00:08
time. How can I follow your work?
1:00:12
So so the so the the new So the my original book is government,
1:00:17
the biggest scam in history exposed.
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It's been the best selling book at over two dozen liberty
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1:00:49
The new book is to see the cage is to leave it 25 techniques,
1:00:55
the few used to control the many and that is it.
1:00:58
See thecage.com. My organisation is called the
1:01:03
Art of Liberty Foundation. We're a startup, voluntary as
1:01:06
think tank. We're exposing the illegitimacy
1:01:09
and the criminality of government from a principled
1:01:12
voluntary as standpoint. That's at artofliberty.org and
1:01:16
you can get most of my articles for free on my sub stack at ART
1:01:20
ofliberty.substack.com. You know, in, in four years of
1:01:25
doing this, I've never, I've never had anybody that's, that's
1:01:28
challenged me on the legitimacy and, and, and desirability and
1:01:33
the necessity of having a government.
1:01:35
And I've offered to debate people and, and, and I actually,
1:01:39
I would, I'd love to actually have some, somebody actually
1:01:43
debate me on the basis of of what I'm saying.
1:01:46
It's not like And so I think. It's not like somebody's going
1:01:50
to going to listen to this and go, Nah, I want more government
1:01:54
in my life. It is, it has been the biggest
1:01:58
scam in history and I think more and more people are realising
1:02:02
that every day. And it's only, and this
1:02:04
revolution is only going in One Direction and we win in the end.
1:02:08
And so it's a it's a good news message.
1:02:10
All right, well. Etienne de la Bousis squared,
1:02:14
thank you for joining me in the trenches.
1:02:17
It has been a pleasure and I look forward to our next
1:02:19
conversation.