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Mom gets traffic stop, cops find dead tot boy in trunk! Uber driver danger!? And did missing teen witness murder? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: one thirty till he witnessed a crim in. A week
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Speaker 1: later he disappeared. Somebody came to me and told me
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Speaker 1: that my grandson was a witness to that murder and
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Speaker 1: that's when he went missing. Give me a kiss on
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Speaker 1: the jaw and a hook and say, granted, I'll see
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Speaker 1: you later. I didn't have no idea that I wouldn't
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Speaker 1: see him no more after that. I'm asking you if
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Speaker 1: you want me to beg that's fine, but I know
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Speaker 1: that there has to be somebody out there with the
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Speaker 1: heart that can say something. Say something, Just tell somebody
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Speaker 1: where he at. Well, you know you just could we
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Speaker 1: want some closure. Help me, help me help a mother
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Speaker 1: who is desperate at this hour. For all of you mothers,
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Speaker 1: all of you father's grandparents out there listening now. Eighteen
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Speaker 1: boy is gone and he is beautiful, loving, good student everything.
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Speaker 1: His mom is heart broken. Please help us, I mean,
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Speaker 1: see Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. I'm going to go straight out to Cheryl
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Speaker 1: McCullum with a cold case Research Institute, the director and
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Speaker 1: crime scene investigator. Cheryl McCullum, tell me the best fans
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Speaker 1: fourteen years old, funny, fabulous, standout football star, tons of friends,
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Speaker 1: supported family, no police records, no prom to anybody. Grandmama
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Speaker 1: was raising. He loved her, Nacy Um. He just was
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Speaker 1: a standout kids. Everybody knew him, real, easy smile, a
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Speaker 1: little mischievous um. Loves video games and girls and his
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Speaker 1: cell phone. That's what every single person told me. Cheryl,
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Speaker 1: you are actually bringing me to cheers because you have
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Speaker 1: just described my son, John David to a t. You know,
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Speaker 1: we have secret signs that mean I love you. And
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Speaker 1: that's what I look forward to every morning is seeing
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Speaker 1: John David and Lucy. And that's what I look forward
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Speaker 1: to every night is putting them to sleep. And all
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Speaker 1: the time in between. This mother is desperate and we
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Speaker 1: need your help so much. Joining me in addition to
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Speaker 1: the director of the Cold Case Institute, Dr Carol Lieberman,
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Speaker 1: forensic psychiatrist, also with me private eye Vincent Hill, and
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Speaker 1: straight back to Cheryl McCollum. Cheryl, how did he go missing?
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Speaker 1: Maybe he was laughing at a Labor Day barbecue where
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Speaker 1: tons of family and friends were at. He went to
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Speaker 1: his grandmama and said, hey, I'll see you later. Kids.
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Speaker 1: Throw on the cheek. She said, I love you, and
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Speaker 1: that was it. Nobody had seen him. There. We are
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Speaker 1: talking about a missing teen boy, and so often when
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Speaker 1: we hear teen boy missing everybody thinks the worst. I think, Ah,
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Speaker 1: he's involved in something nefarious. He did this, he did that,
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Speaker 1: he was running with the wrong crowd, blah blah blah.
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Speaker 1: What was he mixed up in? That is so not
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Speaker 1: the case with this young boy. This boy had never
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Speaker 1: been in a bit of trouble. Great student, football star,
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Speaker 1: just gorgeous boy. His mom heart broken. If you could
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Speaker 1: see this kid's smile. I looking at some of their posts, Cheryl,
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Speaker 1: They're desperate, They're near posting we need this baby home.
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Speaker 1: We are not okay, begging people for help. I don't
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Speaker 1: understand how he went missing. Let's go back to the facts.
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Speaker 1: That's where I start. When I don't know what to do.
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Speaker 1: It's like trying over and over and over to put
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Speaker 1: together a Rubic's cube that just doesn't seem to fit,
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Speaker 1: and you you play with it, and you play with it,
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Speaker 1: and you start over, and you start over, and you
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Speaker 1: fit one piece together and then suddenly another piece doesn't fit.
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Speaker 1: That's how this is working. Right now, we are digging
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Speaker 1: into the case of a missing Sarah Soda teen boy
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Speaker 1: with one of the biggest smiles I've ever seen. We're
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Speaker 1: talking about Jabez Span. Now you say he goes missing,
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Speaker 1: but where, when? Why? How? He literally is on his
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Speaker 1: street in Newtown and walks away because Grandma doesn't see
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Speaker 1: exactly where he goes. No friend has come forward, no
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Speaker 1: neighbor has come forward. There's no surveillance tape where he's
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Speaker 1: been a convenient store or you know, library or anything.
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Speaker 1: He's simply vanished. But there's a twist Nancy. On August,
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Speaker 1: a man by the name of Travis Combs was murdered
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Speaker 1: in Newtowns four hundred and fifty three ft from Jabez's
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Speaker 1: grandmama's front door. Someone came forward and told the family
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Speaker 1: and then separately their private investigator, that Jabez witnessed the
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Speaker 1: murder of Travis Holmes and said, you know, y'all shot him,
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Speaker 1: y'all killed him. And so there is great fear that
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Speaker 1: he was want a witness to a murder and now
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Speaker 1: is a missing person. For any of you that know
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Speaker 1: anything out this missing child, the tipline on three six
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Speaker 1: six tips t I p. S. Nine one three six six,
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Speaker 1: eight four seven seven. The fear amongst the family and
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Speaker 1: neighborhood is that this young boy witnessed a crime and
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Speaker 1: now he is missing. I mean I wonder sometimes what
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Speaker 1: our world has come to when a young boy is
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Speaker 1: kidnapped or murdered because of what he saw. It's what
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Speaker 1: they write about in movies and TV shows. But this
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Speaker 1: is real and the pain of his family is real.
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Speaker 1: Is there a street code of silence? If so, it
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Speaker 1: is so misguided. What do we know about this boy?
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Speaker 1: We're too talking about a fourteen year old kid. Jabez
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Speaker 1: span has never been in trouble, doesn't have a rap sheet,
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Speaker 1: went to school every day, played on the football team,
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Speaker 1: loved his mother joining me. Dr Carol Lieberman, forensic psychiatrist,
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Speaker 1: author of a brand new book you can find that
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Speaker 1: on Amazon, Lions and Tigers and Terrorists, Oh My, How
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Speaker 1: to Protect your child in a time of terror, Dr
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Speaker 1: Carol Lieberman, nothing could be more on point right now?
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Speaker 1: How can we protect our children? And what went wrong?
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Speaker 1: I mean, Carol? When I was growing up, I would
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Speaker 1: come home do my homework. I was a latch key kid.
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Speaker 1: I would get on my bicycle and pedal pedal, pedal, pedal,
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Speaker 1: play in the woods and streams, spot birds, chase whatever
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Speaker 1: I heard in the woods, if it was a kitty
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Speaker 1: kat or a squirrel or whatever there was, and it
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Speaker 1: was only until five or six o'clock when it was
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Speaker 1: beginning to get dark. I'd peddle that bike back home
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Speaker 1: and that was Okay, that's not true now, Dr Carol, Yes,
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Speaker 1: people are kids. It's it's even dangerous for kids to
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Speaker 1: be in their front yard these days. To Cheryl McCollum,
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Speaker 1: director of the Cold Case Research Institute, Cheryl, let me understand,
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Speaker 1: who is Mr Parker? Is he a neighbor? What if
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Speaker 1: anything did he see or hear? He saw Jabez in
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Speaker 1: the neighborhood, witnessed the crime and heard him say allegedly,
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Speaker 1: y'all killed ing. So again Nancy for me. You know,
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Speaker 1: his statement was y'all killed them, not they killed them,
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Speaker 1: which says to me, Jabez knew the people involved with
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Speaker 1: the murder of Travis Holmes. To Dr Carroll Lieberman, forensic
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Speaker 1: psychiatrist and author of a Brandy book, Dodger Laberman, how
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Speaker 1: did a good kid like Jabez somehow get mixed up
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Speaker 1: in a murder that he had nothing to do with
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Speaker 1: and now he's paying the price. Yes, he was in
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Speaker 1: the wrong place at the wrong time, that's all it
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Speaker 1: amounts to. Um, it's a really you know, one of
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Speaker 1: the things that For me, most frustrating about this story
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Speaker 1: is that the police didn't take this report about his
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Speaker 1: having witnessed a murder or and said that, you know,
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Speaker 1: you all killed him man or his words to that effect.
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Speaker 1: They didn't take that seriously. They thought it was just
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Speaker 1: a rumor. So a lot of precious time was lost.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's possible that he left on his own
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Speaker 1: because he was afraid that the people were going to
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Speaker 1: come after him, the murderers, or they might have threatened
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Speaker 1: him and said, um, if you tell we're gonna hurt
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Speaker 1: your family. You know, Dr Carol Labraman, I'm typically on
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Speaker 1: the same page as you, But Chryl McCullum. For a
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Speaker 1: kid to leave home, the only thing he knew and loved,
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Speaker 1: leave his mother, which is all he had in this world,
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Speaker 1: and not not a message, not a text, not a
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Speaker 1: phone call, nothing. I I don't believe he left home.
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Speaker 1: That's the stuff that novels and movies are made up, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: He had no money, no clothes, no food, and his
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Speaker 1: cell phone stopped pinging that this is another twist in
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Speaker 1: the story. His cellphone continued to to ping until September
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Speaker 1: the fourth um and that's when Hurricane Irma hit, and
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Speaker 1: that's when law enforcements absolutely knew they had something very
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Speaker 1: serious on their hands. Right now, the reward has been doubled,
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Speaker 1: that reward climbing now up to fifty thousand dollars. The
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Speaker 1: FBI originally contributed nine to thousand dollars, now offering forty
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Speaker 1: four thousand, and then another six thousand being kicked in
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Speaker 1: by local police and law enforcement. Jabez Span last seen
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Speaker 1: around street in sarah Sota. He was wearing a turquoise shirt.
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Speaker 1: He is five ft nine. He weighs a hundred and
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Speaker 1: twenty pounds. Sara Sota Police Department has received many tips.
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Speaker 1: Detectives remain in daily contact with a Span family, but
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Speaker 1: there's no new information in the case. To Vincent Hill,
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Speaker 1: private investigator, people don't just vanish off the face of
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Speaker 1: the earth, Vincent, there is a clue, Yeah, Nancy, people
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Speaker 1: don't vanish, especially fourteen year old boys. I have a
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Speaker 1: sixteen year old. He would have called, he would have text.
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Speaker 1: I can track his phone. I can do all of that.
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Speaker 1: So he's definitely not going to leave the house. He
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Speaker 1: gets food, comfort and things of that nature. And there's
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Speaker 1: that old street code, Nancy, that snitches get stitches, and
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Speaker 1: I think unfortunately we probably already know the outcome of
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Speaker 1: this case. I don't know the outcome of this case.
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Speaker 1: What I do know is a mother is crying at
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Speaker 1: this moment right now for her son, and we need
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Speaker 1: to pull together and help her. The family has hired
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Speaker 1: a private investigator. What should he or she be doing?
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Speaker 1: This is your specialty, Vincent Hill. Yeah, right now at
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Speaker 1: Lansy follow any lead. I mean, I would be looking
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Speaker 1: for any surveillance footage in the area. I would be
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Speaker 1: tracking down where the last location or his phone ping,
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Speaker 1: anything technology, technology base that could help me find out
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Speaker 1: where he could be. Right now, there's somebody that saw something.
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Speaker 1: Those people need to be talked to. They need to
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Speaker 1: be questioned and follow up. His birthday has come and gone,
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Speaker 1: and you know, Cheryl McCullum, director of the Cold Case Institute,
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Speaker 1: there is no way this kid would not have been
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Speaker 1: home for his birthday with his mom. No way. He
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Speaker 1: wouldn't have missed his birthday, he wouldn't have missed his grandmother,
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Speaker 1: and he wouldn't have miss getting the learners from it
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Speaker 1: not gonna happen. Jibez's mom, Mrs Span has not seen
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Speaker 1: her son since he went missing on the family's front yard.
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Speaker 1: He was in his own front yard. How does that happen?
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Speaker 1: How can there be no clue as to where this
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Speaker 1: young boy has gone. She and others believe her son
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Speaker 1: unintentionally witnessed a murder, the murder of Travis comes, and
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Speaker 1: they believe firmly someone connected to that murder took her boy.
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Speaker 1: She is now doing her best us to stay optimistic.
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Speaker 1: She says, I don't even try and draw a conclusion.
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Speaker 1: All I want is for us to have the first
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Speaker 1: step in finding him. I have hope and I have faith.
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Speaker 1: The sarah Sota Police on the case. According to authorities quote,
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Speaker 1: no child has ever gone missing from sarah Soda. Well
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Speaker 1: they have now as a search intensifies for this boy
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Speaker 1: who disappears from his own front yard. The reward now
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Speaker 1: up to fifty thousand dollars. Cheryl McCollum joining me on
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Speaker 1: the case from the get go, Director of the Cold
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Speaker 1: Case Research Institute, Cheryl, what more can you tell us?
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Speaker 1: How can you help us crack the case? Because now
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Speaker 1: I understand original witnesses, refusing to talk absolutely said he
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Speaker 1: I don't believe that there is not a clue out there.
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Speaker 1: Lynch did that the other day. Oh yes, she did.
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Speaker 1: where have you learned that? Have you been on the internet?
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Speaker 1: So I secretly ran and grabbed her iPad and did
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Speaker 1: a history search. No, she's just been watching more and
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Speaker 1: more and more gymnastic videos. Thank God, thank you Lord,
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Speaker 1: because I thought she would never get off of watching
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Speaker 1: guinea pig videos, hence the two guinea pigs that are
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Speaker 1: in a cage in her bedroom. So gymnastic videos is
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Speaker 1: a nice relief. But I don't know where she learned
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Speaker 1: that little pout. But this lady has definitely got one
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Speaker 1: in her photo. This gorgeous young Alabama mom seemingly did
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Speaker 1: no wrong doing except whoopsie and expired license tag. Right
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Speaker 1: wait'll I tell you what happened. Actually, let's go now
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Speaker 1: to Larry Mayheer Crime Stories investigative reporter. Larry. So, this
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Speaker 1: young mom, Julsa Gaines gets pulled over for what She
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Speaker 1: was pulled over for having an expired licensed tag as
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Speaker 1: she was driving in Jackson, Alabama, which is in the
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Speaker 1: southwestern part of the state, near Mobile. Now hold on,
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Speaker 1: so she gets pulled over for a very simple traffic stop.
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Speaker 1: Are you mean the whole plate was bad or was
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Speaker 1: it just the little sticker had expired? It was an
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Speaker 1: expired license plate? Okay, keep going. When police first talked
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Speaker 1: to her, she gave them a different name. Let me
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Speaker 1: just stop you right there, Larry mayhe Okay, she gave
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Speaker 1: a different name. Okay, Vincent Hill, private investigator. This is
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Speaker 1: what I used to tell juries. Okay, when I see
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Speaker 1: a trooper coming up behind me with the lights on,
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Speaker 1: I don't hit the gas and try to outrun them
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Speaker 1: and maybe jump a roadblock. I I stopped and I
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Speaker 1: pull over. Okay, that's what I used to say when
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Speaker 1: defendants would take off its flight. It's evidence of guilt.
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Speaker 1: The last thing I would do as when they asked
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Speaker 1: me to roll my window down and show license and registration.
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Speaker 1: I don't say something like, um, what's your name? Angelina
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Speaker 1: Jolie Riese Witherspoon. No, you tell them your name because
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Speaker 1: they know all they have to do. It's a thirty
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Speaker 1: an iPhone. Really in their car, they put your tag
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Speaker 1: in and they know who's supposed to be driving that car. Vincent, Yeah, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: And some of the biggest arrest I ever got was
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Speaker 1: from a simple traffic stop which resulted in someone giving
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Speaker 1: me a fake name. I've caught it people. I've caught
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Speaker 1: people wanted for murders, rapes, you name it, based on
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Speaker 1: a simple traffic stop and a fake name. So that
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Speaker 1: always gets the cops. I love traffic stops, you know.
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Speaker 1: Let me just tell one quick little story. So we
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Speaker 1: were driving to take the twins to something something like
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Speaker 1: Disney on ice. Um, what is it? Let it go?
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Speaker 1: Let it go? What movie was that? Frozen? Yes, Frozen
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Speaker 1: of course, of course John David was just like screaming
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Speaker 1: on the inside, but he had to go see Frozen
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Speaker 1: on Ice. So we were leaving this big arena and
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Speaker 1: I said turn left, turn left, and David goes, I'm
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Speaker 1: not supposed to just do it. He turns left and
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Speaker 1: immediately whoop. I'm like, oh, dear Lord in Heaven. So anyway,
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Speaker 1: poor David, he's about to get a ticket. When I
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Speaker 1: decide to inject myself into this scenario, I can I
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Speaker 1: get out of the car. I walk around back. I
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Speaker 1: was just says get down. I'm like, oh, dear Lord.
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Speaker 1: Him like how my hands? And I'm like, sir, I'm
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Speaker 1: totally in our Please don't shoot me. So anyway, you
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Speaker 1: never know what's gonna happen in a simple traffic stop.
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Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, so you saying you've actually caught killers at
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Speaker 1: a traffic stop. Yes, absolutely, Nancy. I've caught three people
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Speaker 1: that were wanted for murder based on a simple, quote
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Speaker 1: unquote simple traffic stop. Wow. Okay, Larry mayhear you know.
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Speaker 1: I don't know why you got off the topic the
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Speaker 1: way you did, jagging it Frozen and Disney on Ice,
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Speaker 1: But can I please get you back in the middle
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Speaker 1: of the road, Larry, So the police. The police pull
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Speaker 1: her over for a tag violation, which in that jurisdiction
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Speaker 1: is just a little You keep your same metal plate.
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Speaker 1: You just get a yearly renewal sticker. And it's a
24:31
Speaker 1: bright color like in two thousand seventeen, it might be
24:35
Speaker 1: bright orange. In two thousand eighteen it's blue. So cops
24:39
Speaker 1: can look at a distance and they know immediately your sticker,
24:42
Speaker 1: your tag is expired. So they pull her over. Okay,
24:47
Speaker 1: what happened then? When the officers on the scene discovered
24:50
Speaker 1: that she had lied about her name, they asked her
24:54
Speaker 1: consent to search the car. So hold on just a moment.
24:58
Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, private investigator, they asked, it's like a vampire.
25:03
Speaker 1: They can't come in until you invite them. Okay, you
25:08
Speaker 1: either need probable cause or verbal consent. If that's right,
25:12
Speaker 1: there's only two ways they can get in that trunk. Now.
25:16
Speaker 1: Under an old U. S. Supreme Court case US versus
25:20
Speaker 1: Carol double r a double L, the government was allowed
25:26
Speaker 1: to search cars more easily than homes and structures because
25:31
Speaker 1: of quote exigent circumstances, which means if there's dope or
25:37
Speaker 1: a dead body or what a stolen merchandise in that car.
25:41
Speaker 1: The car can leave. That is an emergency and exigent circumstance.
25:47
Speaker 1: So therefore officers need less PC probable cause to search
25:52
Speaker 1: your car. So if a cop searches your car, you
25:54
Speaker 1: might as well not cry about it because of us
25:57
Speaker 1: versus carol um. Oh, just an aside, you know where
26:01
Speaker 1: that came from, Vincent Hill, exigent circumstances. Do you know
26:06
Speaker 1: where moonshine? Honeybun moonshine? Because when this case happened in
26:12
Speaker 1: the U. S. Supreme Court, it was it was during
26:15
Speaker 1: prohibition and everybody was dragging moonshine around and their trunk,
26:20
Speaker 1: and cops, as I recall it, see a car like
26:24
Speaker 1: weighing heavy dragon its tail and they got just got moonshine.
26:27
Speaker 1: They pull it over and they searched it and got
26:30
Speaker 1: the menshine. And the defense was they had no right
26:33
Speaker 1: to search the trunk because they didn't have a warrant
26:36
Speaker 1: and they didn't have probable cause. Hence the ruling exegent circumstances.
26:42
Speaker 1: So you can thank some moonshine. Oh, my grandfather on
26:45
Speaker 1: my father's side, Okay, he was known to cook up
26:49
Speaker 1: some uh scuppernong wine in the bathtub, not judging, Okay,
26:55
Speaker 1: Larry Mayor. So you're telling me that she was asked
26:59
Speaker 1: can we search your trunk? Right, Larry, that's the story
27:03
Speaker 1: that the police tell, the version of the story that
27:10
Speaker 1: she had given a false thing. Larry, I don't like
27:15
Speaker 1: your attitude, young man. That's the story that the police.
27:20
Speaker 1: I was trying. I was trying not to cast in
27:23
Speaker 1: his version said the police gave like they're lie on,
27:30
Speaker 1: hold on, in just a moment, We're going to do
27:32
Speaker 1: a little credibility contest in this case. So they say,
27:36
Speaker 1: Larry may Her that they said, can't we search your trunk?
27:41
Speaker 1: And they say, she said, why yes, I'd love you
27:46
Speaker 1: to search my trunk. Okay. Then what happened Inside the
27:50
Speaker 1: trunk was a shoe box that had been wrapped in
27:53
Speaker 1: either a sweater or a blanket, and inside the shoe
27:56
Speaker 1: box was the body of an infant baby boy, which
28:00
Speaker 1: an autopsy has determined was Julissa Gaines's son. Whoa, whoa,
28:06
Speaker 1: whoa Wait just stop right there. You know, Larry mayhert
28:09
Speaker 1: you said that, like, um, yeah, they got her for
28:13
Speaker 1: throwing a beer can out the window. You Larry, you're
28:18
Speaker 1: telling me that they search her trunk, they find a
28:21
Speaker 1: shoe box, which tells you the size of this child
28:24
Speaker 1: wrapped in a sweater and a blanket, and the shoe
28:28
Speaker 1: box is the tiny baby boys body. Did you just
28:34
Speaker 1: say that, Larry? That's correct. That's where the body of
28:37
Speaker 1: the baby boy was found. And you want to tell
28:41
Speaker 1: me that you believe the mom as opposed to the
28:46
Speaker 1: police as to who said, yes, you can trunks my trunk.
28:51
Speaker 1: Oh no, dear, she's lost this credibility contest as soon
28:56
Speaker 1: as I find out there's a dead baby in a
28:58
Speaker 1: shoe box in her Okay, what happened in Larry? Well,
29:01
Speaker 1: According to the family of this woman, the baby had
29:06
Speaker 1: been born about a week before, five to seven days
29:10
Speaker 1: before she was stopped in the car. The total autopsy
29:13
Speaker 1: results have not been made public. However, a medical examiner
29:17
Speaker 1: has said that the child was born alive, was not stillborn,
29:22
Speaker 1: and had lived four or five to seven days before
29:26
Speaker 1: he was killed. How he was killed is not yet.
29:30
Speaker 1: Wait wait wait wait. Dr Carol Liberman joining me, forensic
29:38
Speaker 1: psychiatrist and author of a brand new book, Lions and
29:43
Speaker 1: Tigers and Terrorists, Oh My, How to Protect Your Child
29:47
Speaker 1: in a Time of Terror, which is now available on
29:51
Speaker 1: Amazon dot com. Dr Carol Laberman, let me just get
29:57
Speaker 1: my mind around this. I remember, you know, when the
30:01
Speaker 1: twins were born. I went into intensive care with blood clots,
30:07
Speaker 1: lots of them. It stuck in my lungs. The twins
30:11
Speaker 1: went to the other end of the hospital, to the
30:13
Speaker 1: nick you Neo natal intensive care unit, and we all
30:17
Speaker 1: stayed there. In fact, I set the alarm off in
30:21
Speaker 1: the hospital once trying to get to the twins. And
30:26
Speaker 1: I think about, Doctor Carol, how helpless they were at
30:32
Speaker 1: five to seven days old. I remember the first time
30:35
Speaker 1: I held them in the hospital to give them a bath,
30:39
Speaker 1: how I had to hold their neck up, and I
30:41
Speaker 1: was so afraid water would get in their mouth or
30:44
Speaker 1: their nose, and they were just so fragile. And when
30:49
Speaker 1: I think about this little baby in a shoe box
30:54
Speaker 1: in a car trunk, Doctor Carroll Lieberman, you gotta talk
31:00
Speaker 1: me off the ledge on this one. Well, yes, you
31:03
Speaker 1: have to wonder about the kind of heartlessness that a
31:07
Speaker 1: mother could have did have apparently to be able to
31:12
Speaker 1: to where we to presumably kill the baby um although
31:16
Speaker 1: we don't know exactly the cause of death yet. I mean,
31:20
Speaker 1: it's hard to believe it to carry it around in
31:23
Speaker 1: the trunk of your car. Um. You know. Also, of course,
31:27
Speaker 1: there is the possibility, not likelihood, the possibility that some
31:31
Speaker 1: that she's protecting, you know, someone who killed the baby,
31:35
Speaker 1: like the father or something. But it's most likely, it's
31:37
Speaker 1: most like leave her doing um. And obviously she was
31:41
Speaker 1: trying to hide that from the get go. When she
31:45
Speaker 1: gave a false name, she knew that she didn't want
31:47
Speaker 1: them to find that. Um. It's it's it's uh, she's sociopathic.
31:52
Speaker 1: I mean, she has no conscience, She has no humanity
31:56
Speaker 1: to do that to a tiny, helpless child, no less
31:59
Speaker 1: her own child. Doctor Carol Lieberman that police say she exhibited,
32:07
Speaker 1: she did not exhibit a degree of remorse that they
32:12
Speaker 1: had hoped for or expected. I've heard about, although I
32:18
Speaker 1: did not experience that. Maybe it was because I nearly died,
32:21
Speaker 1: and you know, I was just trying to keep it
32:23
Speaker 1: three of us alive. Any disassociation from the twins at all.
32:29
Speaker 1: When they were born, all I could think about was
32:32
Speaker 1: would they live? How could I make them live? Where
32:35
Speaker 1: the doctor's doing everything, where the nurses doing everything? Was
32:39
Speaker 1: I am my parents and my in laws. Was everybody
32:43
Speaker 1: doing everything they could to save the twins, so all
32:47
Speaker 1: I could think about. I mean, but I've heard that
32:50
Speaker 1: some moms disassociate or can't connect to the baby. What
32:55
Speaker 1: is that, doctor Carol Lieberman? Is true? There are us
33:00
Speaker 1: postpartum There can be some psychiatric problems, some diagnoses, from
33:06
Speaker 1: postpartum depression to uh, it's starting off the psychosis um
33:12
Speaker 1: although she was driving around, I mean, we don't need
33:14
Speaker 1: to know more about the other whether what her mental
33:17
Speaker 1: state is. In addition to them saying that she didn't
33:21
Speaker 1: exhibit enough remorse, what the expected amount of remorse, there
33:25
Speaker 1: might be some kind of psychiatric condition. If there is,
33:29
Speaker 1: I'm sure that she's going to be using that her
33:31
Speaker 1: her attorney will be using that in her defense. But um,
33:35
Speaker 1: but you know, the more likely stories when these kinds
33:38
Speaker 1: of things happen are that she didn't want the baby
33:41
Speaker 1: to begin with, or her um. She was she she
33:46
Speaker 1: had wanted, she had gotten pregnant to get a man dog, Carol,
33:49
Speaker 1: Doctor Carol, I'm just a trial lawyer here, I'm just
33:52
Speaker 1: a j D. I know you're the psychiatrist, but let
33:57
Speaker 1: me just cut through all the psycho to talk. She
34:01
Speaker 1: was on her way to Walmart. Okay, that speaks volumes
34:05
Speaker 1: to me, Vincent Hill, she no more cares about this
34:09
Speaker 1: baby than the man in the mood. She's on her
34:11
Speaker 1: way for a shopping spree at Walmart. Yeah, I don't
34:15
Speaker 1: think she cared one bit, Nancy, And I think it's
34:17
Speaker 1: evident in the fact that she's like, sure, you can
34:19
Speaker 1: search my trunk, like, I don't care if you find
34:22
Speaker 1: that baby in there or she Vincent Hill private investigator
34:27
Speaker 1: may have felt that if she said no, that would
34:30
Speaker 1: make them even more suspicious than they would definitely search
34:33
Speaker 1: her trunk. And then she said yes, if they looked
34:37
Speaker 1: in the trunk and just saw a shoe box, they
34:39
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't look in it. So she was really between
34:41
Speaker 1: a rock and a hard spot. But I wan't to
34:44
Speaker 1: direct everybody to crime online dot com and see this
34:48
Speaker 1: mug shot of this young mom. She's absolutely beautiful, but
34:51
Speaker 1: she's definitely got the Kim Kardashian. Uh what do you
34:57
Speaker 1: call that? The selfie look where you suck in your
35:00
Speaker 1: cheeks going on. Oh yeah, she looks like mm hmmm,
35:04
Speaker 1: and you are that's the look she's giving right to
35:07
Speaker 1: the mug shot. So to Larry May her Crime Stories
35:10
Speaker 1: investigative reporter, Where is Jelisa Gaines right now? She was
35:15
Speaker 1: initially investigated on a lesser charge, which was abuse of
35:19
Speaker 1: a corpse, and she has been indicted. Police say she
35:23
Speaker 1: has been taken into custody and processed for manslaughter manslaughter.
35:29
Speaker 1: I think the jury ought to get at least a
35:31
Speaker 1: choice of murder one murder two manslaughter involuntary and voluntary manslaughter.
35:36
Speaker 1: I mean, give him a choice. For Pete's sake, that baby,
35:39
Speaker 1: that infant child, did not end up dead in a
35:43
Speaker 1: shoe box all on its own. And we don't know
35:47
Speaker 1: the cause of death yet. The c o d is
35:49
Speaker 1: as as of yet undetermined, but I know this. We
35:54
Speaker 1: do know the child was born alive and allegedly lived
35:57
Speaker 1: from five to seven days. The Jackson Police Department now
36:01
Speaker 1: investigating the baby's death, and according to the Chief Chief
36:06
Speaker 1: Jerry Tilor, officers find the baby's body and the chunk
36:10
Speaker 1: of that car during a simple traffic stop on Highway
36:13
Speaker 1: forty three. Parts was just broken and a lot of
36:17
Speaker 1: folks trying to figure out how something like this could happen.
36:20
Speaker 1: Were there any signs of any physical trauma to the baby. Well,
36:24
Speaker 1: there again, we would have to wait for the autopsy
36:26
Speaker 1: report for that. She hasn't said a whole lot as
36:29
Speaker 1: far as what may have happened to the baby. We
36:31
Speaker 1: have a baby who never had the chance to speak
36:35
Speaker 1: for themselves, so we're having to speak for him, and
36:39
Speaker 1: we take that very seriously, and we want to cover
36:41
Speaker 1: all our bases in this case. Cops say the mom
36:44
Speaker 1: quote hasn't said a whole lot about what happened to
36:47
Speaker 1: the baby, and that she is showing much much less
36:54
Speaker 1: remorse than they had expected to. Larry mayher what more
36:59
Speaker 1: can you tell us? Investigators say there may be other
37:03
Speaker 1: people involved in this case. They are not elaborating on
37:07
Speaker 1: what they mean by that, and they are still conducting
37:10
Speaker 1: interviews even though the mother has been indicted. Well, expired
37:15
Speaker 1: tags got her pulled over, and then police find a
37:19
Speaker 1: five day old baby dead in a shoe box in
37:25
Speaker 1: the trunk. I can only wonder what would have happened
37:28
Speaker 1: if when asked if they could search her trunk, she
37:31
Speaker 1: said no. How many times have I called Uber even
37:37
Speaker 1: taken Uber with my children on many many occasions, But
37:42
Speaker 1: now is an Uber driver suspected of a sex attack
37:50
Speaker 1: on a customer straight out to Alan Duke joining me
37:55
Speaker 1: on the story. Alan what happened? Well, this is a
37:58
Speaker 1: scary story. I mean I use Uber a lot. My
38:01
Speaker 1: young daughter, well, she's twenty six, she does this is
38:04
Speaker 1: her main form of transportation around Los Angeles is calling
38:08
Speaker 1: Uber or lift. Well, it seems allegedly that there was
38:13
Speaker 1: this man who had been an Uber driver in the
38:17
Speaker 1: Santa Barbara County area that's not too far from Los Angeles,
38:22
Speaker 1: and he decided that he wanted to do more than driving,
38:26
Speaker 1: and so what he did was he pretended to be
38:30
Speaker 1: someone's Uber driver. He would see someone apparently waiting for
38:35
Speaker 1: an Uber ride, he would zoop zoom in and pick
38:39
Speaker 1: up the passenger. The passenger, typically, according to investigators, were
38:44
Speaker 1: young women between the ages of nineteen and twenty two,
38:48
Speaker 1: coming out of parties or clubs near their college campus.
38:52
Speaker 1: They wouldn't bother to look and make sure that that
38:54
Speaker 1: was the right car they were getting into. They get
38:57
Speaker 1: into the back, he would drive them home and then
39:01
Speaker 1: allegedly rob and sex assault them in various ways. An
39:06
Speaker 1: Aber driver now accused of raping women who used the
39:13
Speaker 1: car service. To top it all off, the Uber driver
39:18
Speaker 1: is in the US illegally a man living in the
39:22
Speaker 1: US illegally, we believe who crossed the border from Mexico
39:26
Speaker 1: uses his job as an Uber driver two target young women,
39:36
Speaker 1: now accused of sex attacks and robbing them. Right now,
39:41
Speaker 1: police say there are more victims out there, victims who
39:45
Speaker 1: have not come forward. This guy, Alfonso new Neez, drives
39:50
Speaker 1: women to their homes, assaults them, stills their stuff, including computers, jewelry,
39:57
Speaker 1: cell phones, money. Then he even collects his fair payment
40:03
Speaker 1: by using the smartphone at the move. He even disguises
40:09
Speaker 1: his identity and his Uber records, according to police. Now
40:15
Speaker 1: tell me, Alan, do what about DNA evidence? Has that
40:19
Speaker 1: played a role in this? Yes, yes, they're checking. They've
40:23
Speaker 1: got his DNA now and they're checking against other sex
40:26
Speaker 1: assault cases in the Santa Barbara and send Louis obis
40:30
Speaker 1: Bow area to try to match up other victims. And
40:32
Speaker 1: let me emphasize, this guy wasn't and he he had
40:35
Speaker 1: driven for Uber before, but at the time he wasn't
40:39
Speaker 1: driving for Uber. He was pretending to be the proper
40:42
Speaker 1: Uber driver and these drunken Oh I get it, okay,
40:45
Speaker 1: let me make this clear. He was faking them. Was
40:48
Speaker 1: he currently Uber driving? No? No, it's something you turn
40:52
Speaker 1: on and you turn off. But he wasn't working as
40:56
Speaker 1: an Uber driver at the moment. He was pretending to
40:59
Speaker 1: be an Uber driver. In This is the dangerous thing.
41:01
Speaker 1: All these Uber stickers that out in California you're required
41:04
Speaker 1: to put on the windshield. Anybody can print those out
41:07
Speaker 1: from the Internet and put them. You can tape them on.
41:09
Speaker 1: So the real lesson that I give my daughter and
41:13
Speaker 1: anyone else is make sure you're getting into the right car.
41:17
Speaker 1: Detectives now on the lookout for potential witnesses and more
41:22
Speaker 1: alleged victims throughout Saint Louis, Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties
41:27
Speaker 1: where this guy had been driving for Uber for months now.
41:32
Speaker 1: He's also gone by the name Bruno Diaz and brush
41:37
Speaker 1: bat Is used. That was his Venmo name. What he
41:41
Speaker 1: would do, Uh, he was raping and getting affair from them.
41:44
Speaker 1: But you know when you drive, when you when you
41:47
Speaker 1: ride an Uber, the money's automatically transferred through the Uber app. Well,
41:52
Speaker 1: he didn't have an Uber app that was turned on,
41:54
Speaker 1: so he said, hey, uh, could you send me this
41:56
Speaker 1: ten dollars through Venmo, which the millennials as we call them,
42:00
Speaker 1: the young people, these college students that's how they pay
42:03
Speaker 1: each other off. They send ten dollars on Venmo. And
42:06
Speaker 1: that's how he made his money by being a fake
42:09
Speaker 1: Uber driver. Well, it's like the new era of PayPal.
42:13
Speaker 1: Cops now saying he was not always driving for Uber,
42:17
Speaker 1: as Alan has told us, not driving for Uber when
42:20
Speaker 1: he would pick up the women. Now, sometimes drivers and
42:23
Speaker 1: cars parked outside restaurants or bars actually jump in front
42:28
Speaker 1: of the real Uber driver and they'll take someone unsuspecting
42:32
Speaker 1: to their location. And that is a way that these
42:36
Speaker 1: young ladies are at risk, and that's what police are
42:39
Speaker 1: alleging happened here. The crimes to me indicate that Uber
42:46
Speaker 1: and others could devise a new way to screen their
42:51
Speaker 1: potential drivers. I mean, how do they select drivers now,
42:56
Speaker 1: Alan just I mean there are tens of thousands of
42:58
Speaker 1: them in the Los Angeles area. It's a huge thing.
43:00
Speaker 1: And many of them are recent immigrants, if you will,
43:03
Speaker 1: But many of the passengers are as well. But they
43:06
Speaker 1: do a criminal background check, but they only do it
43:08
Speaker 1: one time. They guy is an illegal immigrant. Yeah, anybody
43:13
Speaker 1: had it. In California, you can get a driver's license.
43:15
Speaker 1: Being an undocumented alien can get a driver's license here.
43:20
Speaker 1: And he had one had one since did you know
43:23
Speaker 1: he was actually deported out of New Mexico over a
43:29
Speaker 1: deported But that has nothing to do with this. I
43:33
Speaker 1: mean they should have even been there to start with. Well,
43:37
Speaker 1: the thing is that Uber Lift and the others can
43:40
Speaker 1: do anything they want to do background checks, but if
43:44
Speaker 1: someone wants to pretend to be an Uber driver, they
43:47
Speaker 1: can do it. It's very easy to do. And unfortunately,
43:51
Speaker 1: when you're nineteen years old and you're out at a party,
43:53
Speaker 1: drinking or at the club, you're not paying attention to
43:56
Speaker 1: what car you're getting into, and as a result, you
44:00
Speaker 1: get into the wrong car, you're going to the wrong place,
44:03
Speaker 1: and bad things could happen. Did you know Ala that
44:05
Speaker 1: there are actually seven different investigations allegedly being worked on
44:10
Speaker 1: right now where this guy, Alfonso new Nez is a
44:13
Speaker 1: suspect for women between the ages of nineteen and twenty two.
44:17
Speaker 1: All of them were college co eds. Uh cal Poly Institute,
44:21
Speaker 1: that's the big one that's there in St. Louis Obispo
44:24
Speaker 1: that's the other one. Then there was a county college
44:26
Speaker 1: that the fourth one was a student at. So that's
44:29
Speaker 1: what he targeted. He saw these young, drunk college girls
44:33
Speaker 1: coming out of parties, and I don't like the way
44:35
Speaker 1: you drunk. I mean, so you have a few beers
44:39
Speaker 1: at a bar or restaurant, but what it's your fault
44:42
Speaker 1: you get into the wrong car. I don't like the
44:44
Speaker 1: way you said that talking about how you have a
44:47
Speaker 1: daughter twenty seven years old. Shame, shame, shame. You don't
44:53
Speaker 1: get this kind of penalty having a couple of beers.
44:56
Speaker 1: I mean, can you say, good conscious you haven't ever
44:59
Speaker 1: thrown back a few. I think these were more than
45:01
Speaker 1: a couple of beers for these ladies. Their judgment was impaired.
45:04
Speaker 1: That I mean a good thing that they weren't driving right.
45:06
Speaker 1: I I disagree with you. I'm not saying ask you
45:09
Speaker 1: on that because I have come out of many a
45:12
Speaker 1: building and I see I asked for an auber. I
45:14
Speaker 1: look on my iPhone, I see where it is. I
45:17
Speaker 1: see a car come up. It's got an uber sticker
45:20
Speaker 1: and they wave and I wave, and I'm like, great, what,
45:25
Speaker 1: I'm stone cold sober, all right, I'm a teetotaler, and
45:29
Speaker 1: I I mean I would have done the same thing
45:31
Speaker 1: they did, So I'll be talk to talk. Don't jump
45:33
Speaker 1: up and say they were all drunk. You don't know
45:36
Speaker 1: that Alan their breath and take a blood out, But
45:39
Speaker 1: the cops are making that part of it. This is
45:43
Speaker 1: a cross exam. You don't get to explain that was
45:46
Speaker 1: the yes. No, yes I did Nancy, No did you
45:50
Speaker 1: take their blood? Alba cops no Bam charged with rape
45:55
Speaker 1: of an intoxicated person. That is part of the charge
45:59
Speaker 1: in one and actually I think he is being he's
46:03
Speaker 1: under suspicion. Seven cases are being investigated right now and
46:09
Speaker 1: until you can tell me you smell their breath and
46:12
Speaker 1: took their blood alcohol, Alan, do you. I don't want
46:14
Speaker 1: to hear a word about the alleged part of the
46:16
Speaker 1: facts that they're they're charging that they were in top
46:19
Speaker 1: one of them. I don't like your attitude. I don't
46:24
Speaker 1: like your attitude. You should have a drink. I'm gonna
46:28
Speaker 1: warn your daughter's people, maybe your son's too, that you
46:32
Speaker 1: got to be careful about getting into if you're out drinking.
46:35
Speaker 1: That's great calling Uber, but making this about the women
46:42
Speaker 1: having a drink, Okay, just stop that. This is about
46:47
Speaker 1: getting into the wrong Uber car. Wait a minute, that's
46:50
Speaker 1: still putting blame on them. This is about this guy
46:54
Speaker 1: who was deported from New Mexico and now authorities just
46:58
Speaker 1: saying we don't have any idea how the hey he
47:02
Speaker 1: got back. According to the U. S Department of Homeland Security,
47:08
Speaker 1: New Naz was deported from New Mexico in two thousand five,
47:11
Speaker 1: and they say it is quote unclear exactly where he
47:17
Speaker 1: was living or what he was doing in New Mexico
47:19
Speaker 1: at the time. But I know this, he's a suspect
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Speaker 1: in seven different cases and d n A According to
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Speaker 1: Alan Duke, did you not say d NA was used
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Speaker 1: in this case? That is direct? Now now he gives
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Speaker 1: me a yes no. Now I get the yes no
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Speaker 1: from Alan Duke. You know what, Let's take a listen
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Speaker 1: to what the district attorney has to say. Mr al
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Speaker 1: our cartoon is is an undocumented undocumented immigrant here in
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Speaker 1: the State's a citizen of Mexico who was deported voluntarily
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Speaker 1: in two thousand and five when the Department Homeland Security
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Speaker 1: in contact with him in the state of New Mexico.
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Speaker 1: Let me hear though with that other fact, uh, like
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Speaker 1: anyone charged with the crime during the United States, he
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Speaker 1: is entitled at the same protections of our constitution as
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Speaker 1: anyone else charged with the crime. So he is indeed
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Speaker 1: considered to be innocent until in court of laws seemed
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Speaker 1: that he is convicted and guilty of the crimes that
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Speaker 1: he's now been charged with. So you are you committed
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Speaker 1: to prosecuting this case or will the prospect be turned
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Speaker 1: over the ice for a departures. No, that's a great question.
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Speaker 1: We will absolutely prosecute this case here in our county.
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Speaker 1: And in fact that you know, the immigration status is
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Speaker 1: is not relevant for the purpose of this prosecution. We
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Speaker 1: will treat this case as we would any other case
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Speaker 1: that we've come across. UM. And it's important to know
48:44
Speaker 1: that the h In my mind, the relevance of his
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Speaker 1: immigration status really points more to the safety of services
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Speaker 1: like Uber. UH. If those companies are not conducting adequate
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Speaker 1: background checks to make sure that they know the true
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Speaker 1: identity of people that are driving UM and those consumers,
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Speaker 1: those of us that use those services, we don't know
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Speaker 1: for sure whether or not we're at risk, and so
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Speaker 1: UM I think that's something that UH Essentially it is
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Speaker 1: a factor that in my mind makes using one of
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Speaker 1: those services a little bit more risky because we don't
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Speaker 1: truly have adequate background checks to note that those drivers
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Speaker 1: you're saying, so you feel confident that there are out there.
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Speaker 1: We have evidence that leads us to believe there are
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Speaker 1: other victims. In fact, we're going through all the forensic
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Speaker 1: data that we have now that we've collected to ensure
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Speaker 1: that we can identify them. But that's why we're putting
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Speaker 1: out a plea um. Anyone that believes that they may
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Speaker 1: have been a victim or they have any other information
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Speaker 1: are abused mr al our connunits as an UPER driver
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Speaker 1: in the past, they would be marriage to contact our
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Speaker 1: sallis have bespoke crime Stop Wars. It's never asking anyone
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Speaker 1: with any helpful information that reach out to contact us.
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Speaker 1: The US two users consumers that are using before higher
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Speaker 1: drivers services that are available today. There are many good
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Speaker 1: folks that are uber drivers and lift drivers and doing
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Speaker 1: that sort of work. But there are some things that
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Speaker 1: individuals can and should be doing to protect themselves. One is,
50:18
Speaker 1: when you hire an uber driver and you see who
50:21
Speaker 1: the driver is on your phone, then you get a
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Speaker 1: description of the vehicle as well as a picture of
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Speaker 1: the driver and a license plate. Any consumer needs to
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Speaker 1: verify that invitation before they need in that vehicle. Uh.
50:35
Speaker 1: We're finding that those that are predators may go because
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Speaker 1: they know that there's someone waiting for a uber driver
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Speaker 1: and they'll jump in front of the actual looper driver
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Speaker 1: and they will take someone unsuspecting UM to their home.
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Speaker 1: And that's uh the way of putting somebody at risk
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Speaker 1: in this case, that's exactly what um what is alleged
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Speaker 1: to account it. And so young people particularly who are
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Speaker 1: out in about and they want to get home safely. UM.
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Speaker 1: It used to be that people would have a designated
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Speaker 1: driver before these services were there. Um. Those are probably
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Speaker 1: still the most safe ways to get home if you've
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Speaker 1: been drinking, used to have a sober driver that you
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Speaker 1: know and that you trust. But if you're going to
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Speaker 1: use one of these services, just make sure that you're
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Speaker 1: doing all of your due diligence to verify that the
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Speaker 1: driver is the person that you contracted with when you
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Speaker 1: send your request for that driver to come allan, do
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Speaker 1: do you have a tip line for me? Yes? I do.
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Speaker 1: The District Attorney is asking anyone who might know of
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Speaker 1: another victim to call crime Stoppers in the San Luis
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Speaker 1: Obispo area at eight oh five five nine seven eight
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Speaker 1: six seven, eight oh five five four nine seven eight
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Speaker 1: six seven or just called the District Attorney's office. You know,
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Speaker 1: I want to direct everyone to crime online dot com,
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Speaker 1: where we have this guy's photo up, his mug show,
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Speaker 1: and all the information relating to these offences on ladies.
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Speaker 1: Help us find other victims if they exist, and bring
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Speaker 1: this guy to justice. Nancy Grace, Crime Stories, signing off,
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Speaker 1: goodbye friend,