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Chuck in the Morning 7-28 Hour 4: Ryon Healy, first impressions and one last thing! · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 2: here today at nine o'clock hour. Here we go on
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Speaker 2: this Tuesday training camp coverage continuing here on Sports Radio
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Speaker 2: ninety three point three k JRFM. And of course we
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Speaker 2: got our QB one, former Washington quarterback eleven twelve year
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Speaker 2: NFL veteran eleven twelveleven eleven eleven year NFL veteran, our
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Speaker 2: QB one, Hugh Millen, our special co host here today
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Speaker 2: and for the first time, he's going to meet on
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Speaker 2: zoom and chat with Ryan. You never chatted with Ryan before,
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Speaker 2: I have it not okay, good to meet you, got
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Speaker 2: a nice treat. Ryan Heally is awesome. Former Mariner and
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Speaker 2: of course part of Mariners TV as well, joins us
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Speaker 2: every Tuesday at nine o'clock.
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Speaker 3: Hello, sir, Good morning, johnlemen. How are we today?
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Speaker 2: We're doing all right, doing all right, glad you and
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Speaker 2: Hugh get to finally meet and have a conversation, But
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Speaker 2: we do need to know. I mean, you're a big guy.
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Speaker 2: Did you play some football growing up?
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Speaker 4: Ryan?
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Speaker 3: I did.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's no like great stories that come of it.
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Speaker 5: I played some flag football for my middle school team.
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Speaker 5: I played freshman year high school football. I was a quarterback.
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Speaker 5: Felt like there was some potential there. But this is
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Speaker 5: gonna sound like an excuse and I'm as well get
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Speaker 5: out of the way. All the great linemen that refreshmen
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Speaker 5: got pulled up to JV. So I was on the
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Speaker 5: freshman team with a lot of the the bigger boys
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Speaker 5: that didn't move great. And I was a bigger guy
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Speaker 5: that didn't move great. So let's just say I spent
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Speaker 5: a lot of my football career laying on my back
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Speaker 5: and decided for me and went all went on baseball
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Speaker 5: for the next year, and that was the end.
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Speaker 4: Well, you know what, A lot of the Mariners fielders
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Speaker 4: don't don't move real well. I mean when the light
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Speaker 4: riving up like like, I don't know, man, it looked
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Speaker 4: like he was moving like an offensive lineman.
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Speaker 2: Uh after the ball out there?
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Speaker 4: What was what was your reaction to uh to the
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Speaker 4: weekend in Texas.
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Speaker 3: Mm hmm, what a loaded question. He thanks for starting
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Speaker 3: right there.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, the way, I'm not introducing this dude to
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Speaker 4: my wife, like like this guy is just a little
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Speaker 4: too hot. Yeah, like like yeah, that that ain't happening
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Speaker 4: every Tuesday nine. I gotta feel worse about myself.
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Speaker 5: Okay, So let's talk a little bit of Rangers Mariners
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Speaker 5: this past weekend.
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna start with this.
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Speaker 5: I feel like, as a Mariners fan, and maybe you
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Speaker 5: guys can agree with this, we saw exactly what it's
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Speaker 5: supposed to look like to run a consistent, successful offense.
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Speaker 5: The problem is is we saw it from the opposing team.
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Speaker 5: I mean, I saw an identity of who the Texas
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Speaker 5: Rangers are as in offense right now, a team that
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Speaker 5: is missing a laundry list of superstars, whether they've been
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Speaker 5: traded away or on the il.
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Speaker 3: Right now.
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Speaker 5: There are players that are plugging and playing and catching
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Speaker 5: almost lightning in a bottle. Nicky Lopez, for example, like
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Speaker 5: the sacrifice or the safety squeeze that he got down
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Speaker 5: early in one of those games, the commitment to do
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Speaker 5: it multiple times in the bat and even Ozuna against
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Speaker 5: Wood in the bottom of the third inning, runners on
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Speaker 5: first and second, nobody out, up five to nothing. The
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Speaker 5: commitment to, you know, for Skip Schumacher to say, you're
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Speaker 5: gonna get this bomb down whether you like it or not.
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Speaker 3: It ended up bunting at foul to and struck out.
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Speaker 5: Like I saw an identity of a team that has
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Speaker 5: been really hot and more importantly has been executing with
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Speaker 5: runners and scoring position less than two outs and with
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Speaker 5: two outs, and then also the ability to do damage
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Speaker 5: early in games. But the Rangers did such a great
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Speaker 5: job of applying pressure from the offensive front to the
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Speaker 5: Mariners and the defensive front and their pitching staff which
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Speaker 5: has been a strength and scored early, scored often, and
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Speaker 5: capped it off with you know what, four home runs
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Speaker 5: in the first three four innings of Monday's matinee game
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Speaker 5: to end that series. I thought there were some good
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Speaker 5: things the Mariners did, but the more the bigger thing
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Speaker 5: that I saw was a Rangers offense that knows exactly
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Speaker 5: who they are and how they're gonna win baseball games.
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, at this stage, I mean, we're closing
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Speaker 2: in on the trading deadline, and the team has never
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Speaker 2: been in a more dire situation, and offensively, we keep
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Speaker 2: waiting for it to heat back up. I mean, do
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Speaker 2: we just have to conclude that this offense is just
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Speaker 2: not gonna come together this year and it's gonna have
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Speaker 2: to be two to one the rest of the way
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Speaker 2: in order to accomplish the things that this team's trying
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Speaker 2: to accomplish, which is going to the World Series for
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Speaker 2: goodness sake this year. I mean, how much hope can
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Speaker 2: we have that we're going to see that offensive turnaround
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Speaker 2: that we've been waiting for.
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Speaker 5: Ryan, I think there's there's always hope, uh if. And
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Speaker 5: if you read the quotes from Jerry to Poto after
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Speaker 5: you know, parting ways of the assistant hitting coach for
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Speaker 5: that Ranger series, it was pretty blunt, and for the
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Speaker 5: first time this season, I felt like someone within the
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Speaker 5: Mariners organization has spoken truthfully about how disappointing the offense
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Speaker 5: been and forced the front offices hand to make a
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Speaker 5: coaching change like this that I know the players didn't
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Speaker 5: want to happen. There's a lot of players that were
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Speaker 5: just disgruntled with this decision, But I think that's what's
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Speaker 5: Jerry's purpose was, I'm going to create change because you
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Speaker 5: guys won't do it yourselves. Haven't seen it fully translate yet.
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Speaker 5: I heard a lot of conversations between Dave Valley and
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Speaker 5: Jay Buhner talking about, you know, the seasons where they
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Speaker 5: played a Seattle Mariners and the players that did catch
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Speaker 5: lightning in the bottle, the Edgar Martinez is the the
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Speaker 5: Ken Griffey Juniors, the players that all of a sudden
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Speaker 5: just had the craziest last two months of the season
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Speaker 5: that could still happen. There are a few players that
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Speaker 5: are showing glimpses and the few players that have been
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Speaker 5: really consistent. But there's also the three headed you know
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Speaker 5: monster that the Mariners have signing committed too long term
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Speaker 5: that I don't feel like has carried this team through
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Speaker 5: any stretch of the season. In between Julio cal and Naylor,
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Speaker 5: those three players are going to have to have some
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Speaker 5: of the best two months of their career for this
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Speaker 5: team that gets to where they want to go.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, I agree more Yeah, Ryan Healey with us. Ryan,
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Speaker 4: I'm curious in your career, did you ever have the
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Speaker 4: thought go through your mind. Hey, I'm playing for a
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Speaker 4: manager that he does a good job of creating the
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Speaker 4: right energy whether you know I'm specifically talking about for
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Speaker 4: the lineup and hitting, he has the right he gives
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Speaker 4: us in the right focus where we're focused but not pressing,
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Speaker 4: that we're confident whatever that that there's some thing about
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Speaker 4: his approach that that manager does that allows us to
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Speaker 4: be our best version of ourselves offensively and and or
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Speaker 4: did you have times in your career where you thought,
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Speaker 4: I'm not sure this manager's handling at the right you know,
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Speaker 4: the way the environment that he creates. Maybe you know,
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Speaker 4: guys either pressed or they're not focused to know, don't
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Speaker 4: I don't know how I fill in the blanks, But
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Speaker 4: did you ever have those thoughts in your playing career
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Speaker 4: about the manager's creation of the environment.
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Speaker 5: Certainly, I think as a as a player, you kind
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Speaker 5: of control the clubhouse, but also the manager can dictate
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Speaker 5: what the overall temperature is on a day to day basis.
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Speaker 5: And I won't go into specifics of the you know,
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Speaker 5: environments where I was in where I felt like it
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Speaker 5: that guy's not creating the place that I want to
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Speaker 5: really perform in or motivating the guys. But there's a
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Speaker 5: handful of managers and even head coaches in college that
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Speaker 5: I felt like created that environment. Three that come to
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Speaker 5: mind is Mark Wazakowski, who is the head coach at
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Speaker 5: University Borgan now was my hitting coach at order for
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Speaker 5: two years. Changed my perspective on the offensive front. Took
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Speaker 5: it from more of a West Coast college offense to
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Speaker 5: more of we're the aggressor. We are delivering the first
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Speaker 5: blow and we are going to attack this pitcher from
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Speaker 5: pitch one. And there was a strategy for the whole game,
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Speaker 5: and it was simple. It was fifteen pitches per inning,
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Speaker 5: ninety pitches and five innings to be able to get
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Speaker 5: to the bullpen as early as possible for a three
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Speaker 5: game set to wear out the back end of the bullpen,
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Speaker 5: and like that was something within.
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Speaker 3: Our control we could do.
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Speaker 5: In the minor leagues, Ryan Christiansen, who was a first
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Speaker 5: base coach for the Sacramento Athletics, now he was a
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Speaker 5: manager in minor leash for years, and he just created
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Speaker 5: an environment where you felt comfortable with him and he
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Speaker 5: was always a.
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Speaker 3: Part of our early work.
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Speaker 5: He was a part of the game planning, and he
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Speaker 5: was a part of throwing VP on the field, like
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Speaker 5: you felt the connection. And then Bob Melvin with the
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Speaker 5: Oakland Athletics. When I played there, he was someone that
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Speaker 5: was always throwing the first group at BP. He was
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Speaker 5: always hitting fungos. You felt like you knew him as
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Speaker 5: a person and he knew you in regardless of how
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Speaker 5: you were performing, he treated you the exact same, and
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Speaker 5: that consistency from your manager and your leader allowed you
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Speaker 5: to quiet some of those internal voices of oh my gosh,
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Speaker 5: I suck right now, I can't get the job done,
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Speaker 5: I'm terrible, and all of a sudden, the manager looking
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Speaker 5: at hey, man, today might be your day, like you're
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Speaker 5: our guy, I'm pulling my card for you today. I
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Speaker 5: feel it like just that little boat of confidence that
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Speaker 5: you can get from a higher up. It lifts you
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Speaker 5: up as a player when you're going through the dog
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Speaker 5: days of summer.
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Speaker 4: Okay, so Ryan, we've established that some managers create a
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Speaker 4: better environment for offensive production than other managers. Now my
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Speaker 4: follow up question would be, how is it possible that
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Speaker 4: Dan Wilson is not creating the potential environment that maximizes
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Speaker 4: what this offense could be doing.
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Speaker 5: It's a fair quest question, and it's a fair question
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Speaker 5: because of what the results have been this season. I
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Speaker 5: don't know what the conversations are like on a daily
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Speaker 5: basis within those walls, what dance interaction is with the offense.
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Speaker 5: Is he in the hitters meeting, Is he in the
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Speaker 5: cage with the guys? I will see him out at
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Speaker 5: early hitting at times as well. But I know when
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Speaker 5: I've talked to a former teammate and a great manager
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Speaker 5: in the Major League, Stephen Vote, I asked him what
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Speaker 5: the biggest challenge was when he started to take over
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Speaker 5: the role of being a big league manager, and he said,
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Speaker 5: my job is to delegate and to manage the individuals.
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Speaker 5: So for me, it's not Dan's Wilson's responsibility to make
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Speaker 5: sure that the offense is performing at the highest level
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Speaker 5: on a daily basis. He has multiple coaches and analysts
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Speaker 5: and departments that can manage the offensive front like that
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Speaker 5: is their responsibility, and he's managed a personnel within it.
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Speaker 5: That's what Dan's job is. And Dan also talks to
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Speaker 5: the media x amount of times per day. That's a
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Speaker 5: big job of dance. So understanding what Dan's actual job
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Speaker 5: is within that building and knowing that the manager will
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Speaker 5: be held accountable if the results don't change.
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Speaker 3: Will it be right now? Mid season?
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Speaker 5: The Poto's saying otherwise, I don't think they're gonna part
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Speaker 5: ways with Dan Wilson, and I think unfortunately, like in football,
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Speaker 5: when the team doesn't play well, who gets blamed head
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Speaker 5: coach and the quarterback, same thing in baseball, when the
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Speaker 5: team's not playing well, who's getting blamed. It's going to
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Speaker 5: be the manager, and it's going to be the superstars
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Speaker 5: and the team.
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Speaker 2: Ryan Haley is with us every Tuesday nine o'clock. Former
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Speaker 2: Mariner apparently leads the show and compliments as well. I
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Speaker 2: got flattered a little bit earlier in the interview, and
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Speaker 2: of course we're talking to Mariners baseball and look, I mean,
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Speaker 2: I don't know, bleak might be the wrong word, but
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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's ever felt worse this season
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Speaker 2: than what it feels right now, two and a half
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Speaker 2: games out of first place, actually in third place right
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Speaker 2: now in the American League West. You've got six days
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Speaker 2: to the Major League Baseball trading deadline. I was sure
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Speaker 2: we were going to be buyers. Now I don't know
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Speaker 2: how aggressive that they'll be on that front. And I'd
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Speaker 2: ask you, I mean, you got the Dodgers in the
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Speaker 2: next three days, you got some of the best competition
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Speaker 2: you're going to face all year along on the schedule
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Speaker 2: coming up here, it's just looking more and more like
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Speaker 2: you're going to have to overpay for talent on a
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Speaker 2: cold market out there. So how how worthy is this
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Speaker 2: current team of further investment in your estimation if you're Jerry, Justin,
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Speaker 2: John and Dan, I mean once upon a time, I
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Speaker 2: mean forty eight hours ago, I was sure they were
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Speaker 2: going to be buyers. But how worthy is this group
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Speaker 2: of investment right now to see if they can get
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Speaker 2: it done this year?
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Speaker 5: It's a fair question, Chuck, and I think you touched
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Speaker 5: on in that question. One of the biggest factors of
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Speaker 5: this deadline so far as the market's cold, there's a
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Speaker 5: ton of American League teams that didn't anticipate still being
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Speaker 5: in it at this point of season that are contender still.
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Speaker 5: And I think the overall success or mediocrity of the
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Speaker 5: American League is leading a lot of teams that would
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Speaker 5: have been selling to And there's a lot of national
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Speaker 5: team are National League teams that have separation, and it's
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Speaker 5: clear who wants bodies and what they want, but what
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Speaker 5: the teams you want to part ways. I think there's
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Speaker 5: also the looming fact that you know the CBA is
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Speaker 5: coming up in December. What does it look like for
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Speaker 5: next season? Do teams want to take on a player's
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Speaker 5: payroll that isn't just confirmed for this season, but guaranteed
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Speaker 5: for next year as well? What does that do for
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Speaker 5: the team? An organization with potentially of the of the
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Speaker 5: se word that I'm not I don't want to say.
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Speaker 5: There's a lot of things that are just factoring into this.
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Speaker 5: One thing that I know for certain though the Mariners
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Speaker 5: is they will always make a move to improve not
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Speaker 5: just the current structure of the roster, but the future.
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Speaker 5: Like they want players that have control, and they are
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Speaker 5: willing to part ways with some prospects prospects if they
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Speaker 5: feel like they're improving the major league roster for not
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Speaker 5: just this year, but years to come. There's already so
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Speaker 5: much talent on this roster. Depoto has said, this is
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Speaker 5: the best talent roster that we've constructed in my eleven
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Speaker 5: year plus of being a Mariner's exec So the talent
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Speaker 5: is worthy, the roster construction is worthy. The performance has
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Speaker 5: not been. But how much does a potential new player
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Speaker 5: come in and spark that. We saw what happened when
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Speaker 5: Naylor and also you know Gino came in last last year,
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Speaker 5: and how much of us spark that played for this
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Speaker 5: team going into August September, and how much those two
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Speaker 5: players contributed. I don't think there, you know, is the
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Speaker 5: perfect fit out there right now, But doesn't mean that
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Speaker 5: I'm ever ruling out what this Mariner's front office is
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Speaker 5: capable of doing in the trade market.
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Speaker 4: Ryan heay with us. So if you Ryan were Depoto
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Speaker 4: and you're unilaterally making all the decisions for the Mariners, now,
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Speaker 4: what would you do? You know, specifically, you could argue
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Speaker 4: you have eight starting pitchers in the organization, seven of
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Speaker 4: them being right handers. But who would you be looking
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Speaker 4: to move if it's a picture, what changes if anything like?
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Speaker 4: What would be top of your list if you were
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Speaker 4: the president making these decision.
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Speaker 5: You have to leverage the starting pitchers, especially the right
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Speaker 5: handed starting pitchers that you have, and you have to
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Speaker 5: leverage the control that some of those pitchers have. So
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Speaker 5: Emerson Hancock's names come up a bunch of potential trades,
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Speaker 5: and now they're dangling him out there. That could be
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Speaker 5: a player you try and sell high and maybe get
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Speaker 5: a right handed outfield or bat that you have control
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Speaker 5: over and can contribute for the next couple of years.
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Speaker 5: Because Randy or Rose Raina, whether he gets traded or not,
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Speaker 5: is a free agent at the end of this season,
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Speaker 5: so you have to assume that he might not be
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Speaker 5: back next year. Who can you have that has big
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Speaker 5: league caliber talent that has played at the major leagues
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Speaker 5: and can slot into maybe left field and maybe a
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Speaker 5: platoon role in right field for you that can contribute
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Speaker 5: for the next couple of years. That would be number one,
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Speaker 5: and I know they're looking for that number two. You
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Speaker 5: can never have enough back end bullpen arms, and I
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Speaker 5: think if you're able to trade one of your right
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Speaker 5: handed starters for a back end bullpen arm and potentially
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Speaker 5: right handed bat, it solves some of the issues that
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Speaker 5: we're seeing. I don't think the pitching side is the issue
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Speaker 5: by any stretch, but to have some leverage arms in
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Speaker 5: the back end, also adding an extra arm for your
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Speaker 5: bullpen that is just naturally manned down with six man
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Speaker 5: rotation starters, it would benefit this team a ton for
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Speaker 5: at least what the rest of the season is gonna
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Speaker 5: look like.
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Speaker 2: A couple editorial notes, Randy A. Rose Arena will.
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Speaker 4: Not be back next year.
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Speaker 2: I don't think he'll be gone this year. I don't
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Speaker 2: think they'll move him this year, but he's not gonna
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Speaker 2: be back next year. And then I'd just like to
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Speaker 2: point out CJ. Abrams is somebody that brought up yesterday.
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Speaker 2: He is available on the market. It would cost a lot,
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Speaker 2: but he does capture that he's controllable. You would have
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Speaker 2: him for this year, you'd have him for the next
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Speaker 2: two years. He can't play defense, but it's probably time
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Speaker 2: for a positional change. He takes the Randy A Rose
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Speaker 2: Arena money. You turn him into a left fielder here
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Speaker 2: in the offseason. But he's a left handed hitter. He's
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Speaker 2: so do we need another left handed hitter? I mentioned
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Speaker 2: yesterday faulty I said he was a switch hitter. My mistake.
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Speaker 2: He is a left handed hitter. So somebody, somebody that
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Speaker 2: I think would be worth it, because even if you
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Speaker 2: can't get back in the race this year, you've got
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Speaker 2: him for the next two seasons, which is how they
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Speaker 2: got a Rose Arena in the first places. They traded
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Speaker 2: for him when it didn't look good. It didn't look
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Speaker 2: like they were going to make the playoffs that year,
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Speaker 2: but they were an investing in a player that could
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Speaker 2: help them the next two seasons, and if they caught
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Speaker 2: lightning in the bottle in the back half of that
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Speaker 2: first season, so be it. So maybe that's something that
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Speaker 2: they would be interested in. In our last couple of
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Speaker 2: minutes here with you, uh, Dodgers for the next three days.
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Speaker 2: I think there are a lot of marinerd fans listening
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Speaker 2: right now that just are under the impression we've got
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Speaker 2: no chance in the next three days. This is going
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Speaker 2: to be a sweep. But explain out. Baseball is weird.
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Speaker 2: You know that sometimes slumps turn around out of the blue.
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Speaker 2: The Dodgers aren't exactly playing their best baseball right now.
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Speaker 2: They're banged up. Yeah, it looks like a major uphill
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Speaker 2: battle the next three days to try to feel better
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Speaker 2: about where this team is right now. So what kind
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Speaker 2: of chance does a former Major league or current Major
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Speaker 2: League baseball analyst give the Mariners against the Dodgers the
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Speaker 2: next three days.
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Speaker 5: Do you guys remember a few months ago when the
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Speaker 5: Mariners played the White Sox in the weekend series and
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Speaker 5: it didn't go great?
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Speaker 4: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Do you guys remember who came into town that next Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if I do.
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Speaker 5: It was the Atlanta Braves, the hottest team in all
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Speaker 5: the baseball Yeah, and the Mariners went and took two
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Speaker 5: or three of the Braves and you're like.
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Speaker 3: Who is this team?
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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, Fortunately that is still the same formula that
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Speaker 5: this Mariners team is running out there, which tells me
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Speaker 5: that baseball is so weird and there's a chance. And
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Speaker 5: I think to some regard, this Dodger Series could be
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Speaker 5: more important to the players than the Ranger Series. And
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Speaker 5: I'm not in the clubhouse. I don't know that for certain,
18:54
Speaker 5: but I say that because they go out there and
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Speaker 5: they take two out of three of the Dodgers, the
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Speaker 5: best team whirl back to back World Series champions, I go, wow,
19:03
Speaker 5: this game is really weird. It could give them that
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Speaker 5: perspective of we could beat anyone on any given night.
19:08
Speaker 5: We just got to get ourselves to the dance right now,
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Speaker 5: and maybe that initiates the that fight of let's just
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Speaker 5: fight for the rest of the season. It's not hasn't
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Speaker 5: been pretty offensively with been dismal, uh but orbysmal, but
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Speaker 5: like we can still do this, boys, Like what if
19:20
Speaker 5: that is the spark every Mritors fan out there has
19:24
Speaker 5: been waiting for one moment in a game to be
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Speaker 5: the spark. And we've seen a couple between cal Rawley's
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Speaker 5: Grand Slam, you know, Cole Young's three run home run
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Speaker 5: and then obviously don Canzone's home run and RBI go
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Speaker 5: ahead double, Like we can see moments that we're like,
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Speaker 5: that's it, it's gonna turn all around.
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Speaker 3: It hasn't happened yet, but it could be this for
19:42
Speaker 3: the Dodgers, and.
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Speaker 2: The words of Bruce Springsteen, you can't start a.
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Speaker 4: Fire without a spark.
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Speaker 3: That was deep.
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Speaker 2: Chuck, Yeah, I can take you there. I can take
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Speaker 2: you there if you both want to go. Man, thank you,
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Speaker 2: great to have you on. As always, hopefully we get
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Speaker 2: some good news here in the next three days and
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Speaker 2: start turning this thing.
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Speaker 3: Around, and then to that.
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Speaker 5: Day.
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Speaker 2: Okay, joining us right here on Chuck and Buck in
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Speaker 2: the morning, former Mariner with us. Uh, he's good, right,
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Speaker 2: he's really good guy.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, little little little to Charles s Breezewater
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Speaker 4: for my liking. Oh, that's just a term we had
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Speaker 4: in college and it was all in context.
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Speaker 2: It could be negative or it could be positive.
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Speaker 4: You had to you had to pick up on the
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Speaker 4: inflex Oh, he's walking in like Charles, like he thinks
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Speaker 4: he's Charles S. Breezewater. That would be the negative context.
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Speaker 4: The other would be like, oh crap, there's a Charles S.
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Speaker 4: Breezewater for you right there. You know that's that's positive,
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Speaker 4: Like you know, so it's the positive you heard of
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Speaker 4: that in mind? Oh yeah, Charles Chucky Breeze Man, Chucky
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Speaker 4: Struck Struck. Yeah, there stroll in like chucking that guy. Yeah,
21:02
Speaker 4: that was Ryan he I'd never seen him before. He
21:05
Speaker 4: got a little too much Charles S. Breezewater for mine. Like, no,
21:08
Speaker 4: you will not be meeting missus Millan, Ryan Heley, keep your.
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Speaker 2: Dirty paws off. Coming up next, we're gonna get back
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Speaker 2: to training camp conversation here with Hugh Man. We've had
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Speaker 2: Chucky cross on, We've had Chucky Breeze on. Man, I'm
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Speaker 2: like the fifth most important Chuck on this show today.
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Speaker 4: You're you're just figuring that out. Yeah, God, you're denser
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Speaker 4: than you look.
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Speaker 6: Sports ninety three point three kJ R f M.
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Speaker 2: By the way, they're running like a video screen of
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Speaker 2: past people that have covered training camps. There's a picture
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Speaker 2: of you where you look like you're eighteen years old.
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Speaker 2: That you had to have been at k j R.
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Speaker 2: You had to have started the broadcast something. But I mean,
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Speaker 2: I'm like, man, I mean it looked like you weren't
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Speaker 2: even ready for the National Football League yet, and yet
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Speaker 2: you it had to have been I mean, they wouldn't
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Speaker 2: have had that picture.
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Speaker 4: You had to go normal then. And I'm a seahg
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Speaker 4: loicking dude. Now, yeah, no, this is twenty eighth year.
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Speaker 4: Wow that a minute, Yeah, in a minute. Well, Mike
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Speaker 4: Holmgrin's first year, twenty eight years of doing this, and man,
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Speaker 4: we started the show with your very first observations or
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Speaker 4: your biggest observation I should say, of training camp yesterday.
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Speaker 2: But we did that at six o'clock. And I'm sure
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Speaker 2: that our nine to thirty audiences.
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Speaker 4: Like, well, I didn't get up at six o'clock to
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Speaker 4: hear hughes huge first impressions of yesterday's training camp.
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Speaker 2: So well, let's give.
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Speaker 4: It to them. I think we're just kind of touching
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Speaker 4: on the secondary and we can we can broaden the
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Speaker 4: conversation a little bit. But uh, you look at the
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Speaker 4: Seahawks base defense is really a nickel what people call
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Speaker 4: a nickel because you've got Ernest Jones is a middle linebacker,
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Speaker 4: got Drake Thomas as the weak side linebacker, and then
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Speaker 4: you got Nick em and Worry, who you say lines
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Speaker 4: up as a nickel sam but you could just call
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Speaker 4: him a sam backer. But that's that's technically the nickel.
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Speaker 4: And in that situation as presently constituted without Riek Wollen obviously,
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Speaker 4: who's now an eagle? You you have, uh, you have
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Speaker 4: Devin Witherspoon as one corner and Josh job on the other.
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Speaker 4: So now Nick and Emon Worry's out, he's physically unable
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Speaker 4: to perform. And so myke curiosity to well, how are
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Speaker 4: they gonna work that? Because Emon Worry is one and
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Speaker 4: one of one, right, and so they bring in Witherspoon
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Speaker 4: to play the slot. I remember now last year he
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Speaker 4: played fifty one percent on the outside, So for the
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Speaker 4: first time of majority of the year before he had
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Speaker 4: been thirty percent on the outside as.
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Speaker 2: Paris and was sherman like on the outside.
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Speaker 4: Ninety nine would be but ninety five somewhere between ninety
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Speaker 4: five ninety eight, you know, different players that play. He
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Speaker 4: would play in the slot from time to time, but
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Speaker 4: not very often. He was an outside outside. In fact,
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Speaker 4: I always I asked, I wonder why teams don't split
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Speaker 4: the reduce the split, bring, bring the widest receiver in
24:50
Speaker 4: and then run whip routes, start the shallow cross and
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Speaker 4: then snag and then and then whip back out to
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Speaker 4: the outside. I don't know why teams didn't do that,
24:58
Speaker 4: because that's the one route where Richard Sherman looked like
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Speaker 4: a fifth rounder, which is what he was. Other than
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Speaker 4: that he was, he looked like a Hall of Famer
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Speaker 4: if if you split out wide, you know, two three
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Speaker 4: yards outside the numbers, near the sideline where he could
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Speaker 4: he could funnel to either to the outside, play inside
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Speaker 4: off your inside shoulder, and induce an outside release. Like
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Speaker 4: I mean, at that point, he it was like Joan
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Speaker 4: and the whale, like he had already swallowed you. Uh.
25:30
Speaker 4: If if you could get in that situation, He's the
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Speaker 4: best I've ever seen covering a deep ball. And I
25:37
Speaker 4: played against, you know, with and against Dion Sanders, our
25:41
Speaker 4: teammates with him. I go against him and practically Richard
25:44
Speaker 4: Sherman on deepot where there's times here when Richard Sherman
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Speaker 4: was here and I would I go around and go
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Speaker 4: Can you remember a past being completed against Shermon all
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Speaker 4: camp and he practiced every day he was and no,
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Speaker 4: nobody you could not get anything against him. He was
26:02
Speaker 4: a hell of a plart. But let's get back to
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Speaker 4: your point about, Oh, did you want to talk about
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Speaker 4: the twenty twenty six uksh Was that what we're talking about?
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Speaker 2: Well? No, but I was just trying to like provide
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Speaker 2: a little perspective, like how much how they moved to
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Speaker 2: one side where Witherspoon's moved around, Yes, but he's he's
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Speaker 2: played more on the outside the left corner year.
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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, but but so now Witherspoon has been outside more.
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Speaker 4: Yet yesterday he was back into more in the slot
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Speaker 4: like he had been his first couple of years. And
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Speaker 4: the guy that came in was Neam Mayah Pritchett, fourth
26:36
Speaker 4: round draft pick from Auburn, a guy that they liked
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Speaker 4: his movement skills, were disappointed in his physicality. He's remade
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Speaker 4: himself in the weight room, which which kind of kind
26:49
Speaker 4: of uh goes hand in hand with a kind of
26:52
Speaker 4: more confidence. When you have the the the frame in
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Speaker 4: the in the the muscular sure to be able to
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Speaker 4: play physical it kind of induces the mind to say
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Speaker 4: all right, let's let's play hardball. Let's let's throw down here.
27:07
Speaker 4: And so I think they're they're liking the physicality that
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Speaker 4: they're getting from him. But yeah, I think Seahawk fans
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Speaker 4: would be interested to know if if the first play
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Speaker 4: of the game, you know, depends on personnel from the opponent.
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Speaker 4: I'm not saying that you'd have Witherspoon in against all
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Speaker 4: all offensive personnels, but if Witherspoon's in the slot like
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Speaker 4: he was, he he was a dime guy in the
27:29
Speaker 4: super Bowl, they had thirty It was either thirty six
27:32
Speaker 4: or thirty seven snaps, doesn't matter. The highest number of
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Speaker 4: dime snaps in the entire season was in the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 4: And in those situations, emon worry goes from the the
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Speaker 4: generally the field outside linebacker to the boundary outside linebacker
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Speaker 4: and then Witherspoon. I'm using the term outside linebacker, but
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Speaker 4: the nickel that what apex defender, overhang defender, there's different terms.
27:59
Speaker 4: But withers Spoon has that versatility to play outside them
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Speaker 4: and come and play inside. So but there is some
28:06
Speaker 4: dependency on what personnel groupings you're seeing. But I think
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Speaker 4: that was an interesting part of it. I think Bud
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Speaker 4: Clark was interesting for me to watch. I thought he
28:18
Speaker 4: asked me last week, what are we gonna see from
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Speaker 4: Bud Clark. I would have thought that there'd be more
28:24
Speaker 4: down near the line of scrimmage. I think that he's
28:27
Speaker 4: he was playing a back half. I can't say I
28:31
Speaker 4: saw every snap then looked at number nine because I'm
28:33
Speaker 4: trying to see a lot of things. But but number
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Speaker 4: nine every time I saw, and I was had a
28:38
Speaker 4: keen eye on him. He's he's a back end guy,
28:41
Speaker 4: which tells me that that there may be grooming him
28:44
Speaker 4: more to replace Kobe Bryant than they are thinking about
28:49
Speaker 4: him as a you know, nickel dime replacement. That would
28:54
Speaker 4: allow Witherspoon to stay outside with more regularity, because they're
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Speaker 4: they're trending to keeping Witherspoon more outside. Would Bud Clark
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Speaker 4: allow them to do that? Well, based on what you
29:06
Speaker 4: saw yesterday, if you're just going to say a preliminary
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Speaker 4: that that's not their initial intent. Their initial intent would
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Speaker 4: be based on what I saw, that he would be
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Speaker 4: able to compete. And you got Julian Love as one
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Speaker 4: deep safety right now, it's Tyocotta as the other. Then
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Speaker 4: Bud Clark. You know, if Bud Clark reaches his potential,
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Speaker 4: one would think that he should have the physical skill
29:30
Speaker 4: set to supplant Tyo Kotta. Not that Tyocotta is a problem.
29:33
Speaker 4: This is a very good football team that is very deep.
29:37
Speaker 4: But if there is an area on either side of
29:41
Speaker 4: the ball that maybe you're a little bit concerned about
29:45
Speaker 4: the depth would probably be corner. So any type of
29:49
Speaker 4: structure that allows Witherspoon to stay it at corner, Now
29:52
Speaker 4: you have to have the pieces that Mike McDonald needs
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Speaker 4: to play those. Again, I'm using the terms entertain outside
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Speaker 4: linebacker nicol Sam nick L nickel will overhanging defender apex.
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Speaker 4: That's basically in these spread formations, who's the guy that's
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Speaker 4: lining up add or near the slot receiver? You know what?
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Speaker 4: Uh some some terminology. Offensively, we we count outside in
30:20
Speaker 4: just like the defense. The all defenses count outside in
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Speaker 4: with the receivers number one. You could go to any
30:26
Speaker 4: coaching clinic, college football, pro football, high high school football.
30:30
Speaker 4: You go to any coaching clinic, and if you're talking
30:33
Speaker 4: to defensive guys, you could say the number one receiver,
30:36
Speaker 4: two receiver, three receiver, and and everybody knows that you
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Speaker 4: count from outside in some offenses, you cannot do that
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Speaker 4: for any clinic. On the other side ball where you
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Speaker 4: count the defenders, and and when you count the defenders,
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Speaker 4: you say the cornerback is number one, regardless he's the
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Speaker 4: widest guy, whether he's deeper, whether he's he's pressing a
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Speaker 4: rolled up the next the number two defender is the
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Speaker 4: next guy in, not at the safety level. Okay, okay,
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Speaker 4: So the number if if that, if that makes any
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Speaker 4: sense to you, that number two defender is Emon Worry
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Speaker 4: in the in their base Nickel, that sounds like a
31:20
Speaker 4: contradiction of terms. Again, assuming Emon Worry is is like
31:24
Speaker 4: a lot Sam linebacker. Right before the forty nine Ers
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Speaker 4: game last year, the head coach Mike McDonald said, essentially,
31:31
Speaker 4: Emon Worry is just our Sam backer. So that that
31:34
Speaker 4: base and then when they played the dime where uh
31:37
Speaker 4: uh Emon Worry comes in. He you got the two
31:41
Speaker 4: number of the number two defenders on each side of
31:43
Speaker 4: the ball, counting outside in you got Witherspoon to the
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Speaker 4: field on one side, he's he's one number two defender,
31:53
Speaker 4: and then uh you got Emon Worriy goes to the
31:57
Speaker 4: boundary side the short side of the field. He's the
31:59
Speaker 4: number two defender on the boundary. So the how these
32:03
Speaker 4: are played out, yeah, may not have interest to fans.
32:07
Speaker 4: For those who didn't have interest in that, I apologize,
32:10
Speaker 4: but I promise you that this is vital and central
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Speaker 4: to how Mike McDonald wants to play defense.
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Speaker 2: We got some pretty good number twos.
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Speaker 4: It sounds like.
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Speaker 2: Witherspoon and Emon Worri.
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Speaker 4: You think you think those guys can cover the ground,
32:27
Speaker 4: and and what's important about that. Let's talk about a
32:30
Speaker 4: coverage cover four all right, for just two safeties deep
32:33
Speaker 4: both corners, there's only three underneath guys. You can't play
32:37
Speaker 4: spot zone with three guys. You gotta you gotta Ernest
32:41
Speaker 4: Jones on one side. He got Eamon Warrior uh to
32:43
Speaker 4: one side of him, and you got Witherspoon to the
32:46
Speaker 4: other side. You're gonna play inside of the slot receivers.
32:50
Speaker 4: You're gonna line inside and deny the inside slant. That
32:53
Speaker 4: means and you're gonna do what it's called match number two.
32:57
Speaker 4: That the the second receiver to the floor. If he
33:01
Speaker 4: goes to the flat, counting outside, and if he's in
33:03
Speaker 4: the flat, then you have to match a man to man.
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Speaker 2: So you're you're aligning.
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Speaker 4: Inside of a guy, but you gotta cover ground. That's
33:10
Speaker 4: a lot of ground you have to cover with no
33:12
Speaker 4: safety help. And so they're those guys' ability to cover
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Speaker 4: that ground to the flat from an inside out position
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Speaker 4: member guard the inside first and then respond to the outside.
33:26
Speaker 4: Just that description ought to tell you, Oh, you got
33:29
Speaker 4: to have a guy who can really accelerate that when
33:31
Speaker 4: you push the turbo button on the joystick. That guy's
33:34
Speaker 4: got to get from point A to point B because
33:36
Speaker 4: he's got a lot of ground to cover. That's what
33:38
Speaker 4: they have. That's one of the very important things that
33:41
Speaker 4: allows them to be as great as they are on defense.
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Speaker 2: Uh, the one, the only one last thing to close
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Speaker 2: this out next sports Ready on ninety three point three
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Speaker 2: kJ r F M.
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Speaker 7: HI.
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Speaker 3: Yes, getting ready to wrap up.
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Speaker 2: This Tuesday edition. And the sun has just popped out
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Speaker 2: just now, like just beautiful, beautiful sprayed across the field. Oh,
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Speaker 2: it's a lovely setting out here at the Virginia Mason
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Speaker 2: out here on a Tuesday. One last thing, Ashley, what's
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Speaker 2: your one last thing here today?
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Speaker 7: Can I break the rolls and do two short, really
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Speaker 7: fast one things?
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Speaker 2: Oh geez, really fast.
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Speaker 7: In the earlier segment, one of the earlier segments, Hugh
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Speaker 7: said that George Kirby giving up four home runs was
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Speaker 7: basically the equivalent of a four interception game. Well, Sam
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Speaker 7: Darnold had a four interception game, and what happened.
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Speaker 3: To the Seahawks?
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Speaker 2: Look at that they lost champion.
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Speaker 7: They lost that game, but what happened to their season?
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Speaker 2: They won it all.
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Speaker 4: That's what I actually saying. Okay, well we're on the path,
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Speaker 4: that's right. Yeah, yeah, On the same highways.
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Speaker 2: You know what I woke up thinking this morning. Boy,
35:41
Speaker 2: this Mariner team looks like a world champion.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly, see, we all thought that. My other real
35:48
Speaker 7: fast one last thing, I got to give a shout
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Speaker 7: out and congratulations to Alice Woodward named the new Husky.
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Speaker 3: Football played by play came out just a couple of
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Speaker 3: minutes ago.
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Speaker 2: A couple of minutes ago. Lease you go girl, congratulations, Lease.
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Speaker 4: There you go.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, very excited.
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Speaker 4: Fantastic for her, fantastic on the sideline. I know she
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Speaker 4: did a spot duty one game and did phenomenal. So
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Speaker 4: she obviously turned some heads and turned some ears.
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Speaker 2: And good luck for her, good luck working with that
36:24
Speaker 2: Cleveland guy.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it turned out to be all right.
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Speaker 2: Well, congratulations a Lease alright, had some great breakout right there. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: we got to get her on. We need to get
36:38
Speaker 2: her on, yeah.
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Speaker 3: Quest we can get her on next, Yeah we can.
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Speaker 2: All right. Uh you what do you got for your
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Speaker 2: one last thing here?
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Speaker 4: Today? I think there's a question about the hard knocks impact,
36:55
Speaker 4: and I'll just give you my opinion, and I would
36:58
Speaker 4: I would think if you can think give a gradient,
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Speaker 4: there's like five, I'm gonna give you five quickly. Five
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Speaker 4: levels of practice. There's the the very first level, come
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Speaker 4: out and nothing's going on as a player. You just
37:13
Speaker 4: kind of grab assing with your teammates. The second level
37:16
Speaker 4: with things start, you're just doing individual drills and there's
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Speaker 4: big boom microphones over there. You're just doing technique stuff. Okay.
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Speaker 4: Then the next level is is maybe now you're going
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Speaker 4: full speed in this third level and you're interacting with
37:33
Speaker 4: other teammates. For example, routes on air, quarterbacks are all
37:37
Speaker 4: the timing, the receivers are running full speed, quarterbacks are throwing.
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Speaker 4: That would be the third level. Then the fourth is
37:43
Speaker 4: like skeleton, you know, seven on seven with a lot
37:47
Speaker 4: of activity, and then finally the team deals. So of
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Speaker 4: those five, I think that I'm gonna pause for a second.
37:54
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get back to the five. In sociology, they
37:57
Speaker 4: call it the observer's paradox. If you, as associateologists, are
38:00
Speaker 4: are interested on how two people interact when they're in
38:05
Speaker 4: an elevator and it's just the two of them, and
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Speaker 4: then you say I'm gonna I'm gonna sit in the
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Speaker 4: corner of the elevator and take notes about how two
38:13
Speaker 4: people might be awkward inside an elevator. It's called the
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Speaker 4: observer's paradox. You want to learn how two people interact
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Speaker 4: when they are alone, but you have you have changed
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Speaker 4: the environment, so you don't really know how to people,
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Speaker 4: how those two people would have reacted had they just
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Speaker 4: been alone, right, observer's paradox. So talking to a guy
38:35
Speaker 4: that's been on a limitade here here eliminated. We got
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Speaker 4: to get into that tomorrow. So so all right, so
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Speaker 4: let me go back to the five stages. I'm quite
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Speaker 4: certain that the players are influenced by the boom mics.
38:51
Speaker 4: When they're just standing around talking to each other and
38:55
Speaker 4: it gets to the observer's paradox. Hard Knocks wants to present, Hey,
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Speaker 4: what it's like to be in the NFL. But when
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Speaker 4: they're just standing around drinking water and gatorade and there's
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Speaker 4: big camera right over there and a big boom mic
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Speaker 4: right over the top. Yeah, I'm certain that almost all
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Speaker 4: of those guys are influenced by the They they might
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Speaker 4: be on that second level where there's doing the just
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Speaker 4: the drills to kind of walk through and there's big
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Speaker 4: boom mics over the coach and what have you. I
39:20
Speaker 4: think they're aware of the cameras there that so the
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Speaker 4: first two levels that I've said, remember a gradient. Now,
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Speaker 4: as we'm graduating intensity, I think at the at the
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Speaker 4: third level, where they're they're doing you know, routes on
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Speaker 4: air on full speed, I think it stops. Then. I
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Speaker 4: don't think the players notice.
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Speaker 3: I don't think.
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Speaker 4: I'm certain in seven on seven they don't care. And
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Speaker 4: and and I bet my life that when there are
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Speaker 4: eleven on eleven there's nobody's thinking about the cameras as
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Speaker 4: the intensity of practice ramps up.
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Speaker 2: Like a gradient.
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Speaker 4: So but the the just the hobnob and stuff that
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Speaker 4: you're gonna see.
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Speaker 2: Edit.
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Speaker 4: I do think that they are influenced. I don't think
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Speaker 4: that's a true picture. I think I think whether guys
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Speaker 4: are playing playing up for the camera, or whether they're
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Speaker 4: a little bit more shy, they don't want to talk,
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Speaker 4: what have you. I don't think they're being themselves as
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Speaker 4: a general rule. Could there be exceptions, yes, But as
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Speaker 4: a general rule, that's my assessment of how it impacts guys,
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Speaker 4: at least on the field in the meetings. We can
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Speaker 4: talk about that later. On the field, that's how I
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Speaker 4: think it impacts it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Well, I mean that's the real world rules, right,
40:27
Speaker 2: you know, when it's.
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Speaker 4: Starts getting real, Yeah, you know that's uh yeah, when
40:34
Speaker 4: they're in eleven on eleven, nobody is even aware that
40:37
Speaker 4: hard knocks is there. And as a general, in my opinion, yeah,
40:40
Speaker 4: how about you? What's your last My one last thing.
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Speaker 2: I just want to mention this because I mentioned it
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Speaker 2: yesterday and I take a lot of pride in this,
40:47
Speaker 2: and I am I gave bad information. I brought talked
40:50
Speaker 2: about C. J. Abrams possibly being a target, and I
40:53
Speaker 2: said yesterday was a switch hitter. He is a left
40:56
Speaker 2: handed hitter, and we might not need another left handed
40:59
Speaker 2: hitterization right now, but he is. He's a heck of
41:03
Speaker 2: a talent. I hear. He's a little bit of a
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Speaker 2: ten cent head, which is why the Nationals are getting
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Speaker 2: rid of him. But he's a heck of a talent.
41:11
Speaker 2: And look, I mean, you talk about a Randy A.
41:13
Speaker 2: Rose Arena possible replacement for next year, even if it
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Speaker 2: doesn't come together this year, put together a good package
41:20
Speaker 2: for guy it hand.
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Speaker 4: So you're replacing a right handed bat with a left hand.
41:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Abram is an infielder, but he's not very
41:27
Speaker 2: good defensively. So by next year, I think, because he's athletic,
41:31
Speaker 2: you could turn him into a left fielder and he'd
41:33
Speaker 2: be he'd be as good as a roose arena out there.
41:35
Speaker 2: So anyway, something to think. I mainly brought it up
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Speaker 2: just to make sure that I corrected myself.
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