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Cardinals bullpen needs, Victor Scott II's future, SP Ryan Helsley? · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to Cardinal Territory.
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  Speaker 2: I say it all the time.
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  Speaker 1: The smartest panel in the baseball podcast Universe Universe easy
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  Speaker 2: Matt. You are en route from Tulsa to home? Is
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  Speaker 3: That is correct. We made a trip over to Tulsa
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  Speaker 3: this morning.
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  Speaker 3: It's good, this is my car. But I got a chauffeur.
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  Speaker 2: Whoops. Hello.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, I don't want to be any part of this.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to be any part of this. Lanceoln
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  Speaker 1: how are you doing today?
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  Speaker 5: Always great, Jim, great to see you.
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  Speaker 2: Kyle gibbson healthiest option?
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  Speaker 3: Is it Star Wars?
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  Speaker 6: Then definitely not the healthiest options for sure.
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing good.
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  Speaker 3: Jim, good to see you.
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  Speaker 2: Uh so where are we? Where are we going to eat? Now? Man?
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  Speaker 2: What's going on.
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  Speaker 3: Boys are picking up some Starbucks. Okay, all right, I
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  Speaker 3: remember probably some egg bites.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what they're getting, but yeah, they needed
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  Speaker 4: a post run snack.
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  Speaker 2: All right, fair enough, fair enough.
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  Speaker 1: Uh So we've talked about pretty much every.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, he is the bacon egg bites. I
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  Speaker 3: can mute myself. I mean, that might be the best
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  Speaker 3: thing to hear.
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  Speaker 2: I want to hear the.
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  Speaker 3: VENTI yes, can you sweeten it with honey?
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  Speaker 2: Please?
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  Speaker 5: Just a touch?
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  Speaker 3: Just the natural honey packets? How many? Maybe like two weeks?
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  Speaker 1: Listen, we have future superstars placing an order.
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  Speaker 2: What other podcast is one?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, why don't you, Matt, why don't you
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  Speaker 1: a mute for a second.
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  Speaker 2: I'll wave you back in although coming you.
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  Speaker 5: Can have both coming a couple of honey packets.
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  Speaker 3: Here we go.
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  Speaker 1: Tell us we've talked about pretty much every single player
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  Speaker 1: on the Cardinal roster, right, and we've done it as
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  Speaker 1: another podcast, as Cardinal Territory. I want to talk about
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  Speaker 1: a guy that I don't think we've touched on enough,
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  Speaker 1: and that would be Victor Scott the second. This is
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  Speaker 1: a young guy who in one season in the minors
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  Speaker 1: still ninety four bases didn't hit a lot last year,
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  Speaker 1: but we saw as the season progress his defense and
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  Speaker 1: his confidence in terms of getting good jumps on the
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  Speaker 1: ball really take off and he became a defensive weapon.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna start with Lance Lint. You know, Victor
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  Speaker 1: Scott the second you know what he brings to the table.
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  Speaker 1: Just your thoughts on what he might be in terms
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  Speaker 1: of the future and the Cardinals organization.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you're looking at just the glove itself if
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  Speaker 5: you want to start there, right, How how well he
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  Speaker 5: can play center field. He's gold Glove caliber. So the
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  Speaker 5: main thing is gonna be like, how can we get
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  Speaker 5: him on base, and how can we get him to
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  Speaker 5: you know, be able to use the you know, use
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  Speaker 5: the feed on the base. So the big thing I
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  Speaker 5: think is, you know, you get him to control control
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  Speaker 5: the strike zone, you know, put the ball on the ground,
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  Speaker 5: you know, try to you know, hit extra base hits
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  Speaker 5: and stuff like that, and and try to stay stay
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  Speaker 5: away from the ball in the air. So he's got
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  Speaker 5: all the tools for all that, and he just needs
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  Speaker 5: to play, you know, I liken it to the worst case,
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  Speaker 5: He's Billy Hamilton. Worst case scenario, that's Billy Hamilton. Billy
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  Speaker 5: Hamilton was a had a good career, but I think
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  Speaker 5: that there's more ceiling than that. It's just he's got
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  Speaker 5: to play and he's got to get used to you
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  Speaker 5: know what it takes day in and day out to
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  Speaker 5: be prepared. You know, he's got to put the ball
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  Speaker 5: in play, not strike out, control the strike zone and
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  Speaker 5: see if he can get his walks and things of
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  Speaker 5: like that. And then next thing, you know, you know,
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  Speaker 5: there's a lot of things that he can do well
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  Speaker 5: and cause havoc on the field, and you know there's
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  Speaker 5: this guy's the limit for that kid because he wants
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  Speaker 5: to be great. So just giving him the opportunity to
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  Speaker 5: give him the right people around him to make that happen.
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  Speaker 1: And Cal, I know you follow the Cardinals closely, did
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  Speaker 1: you guys the improvement that I think a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people saw Kyle did you did you see Victor Scott
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  Speaker 1: the second take it to the next level?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think his defense is something that
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  Speaker 6: is game changing. You know, when when you can steal
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  Speaker 6: extra base hits at the clip that he does, it's
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  Speaker 6: a big deal. Not only for a pitching staff or
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  Speaker 6: just as as the inning progresses. Right, Yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 6: I think offensively. I don't know all of all of
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  Speaker 6: where he ended up offensively, but I mean I think
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  Speaker 6: there's always room to grow for guys, especially as they're
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  Speaker 6: young in their career. And I mean I think as
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  Speaker 6: you dig into certain things, I'm trying to look at
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  Speaker 6: it right now. You know, as you dig into certain things,
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  Speaker 6: like Lance said, like strikeouts and walks, you know, if
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  Speaker 6: you can flip some of those, I think that's a
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  Speaker 6: big deal, because a walk becomes a double, a single
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  Speaker 6: becomes a double in a lot of Instanceance he swiped
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  Speaker 6: thirty four bags, which is a lot. He walked forty
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  Speaker 6: two times on hundred and So, you know, I think
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  Speaker 6: Vic is a guy that I've mentioned it earlier a
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  Speaker 6: few months ago, as he was really asking me in
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  Speaker 6: twenty twenty four, you know, how does Cedric Mullens become
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  Speaker 6: a really good lead off there?
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  Speaker 2: And what makes him really good?
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  Speaker 6: That type of question is very indicative of a player
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  Speaker 6: that wants to get better, wants to be the best
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  Speaker 6: version of himself, and is looking at the right players
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  Speaker 6: to model.
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  Speaker 3: His game after.
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  Speaker 6: So you know, I think Vic has a lot of
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  Speaker 6: ceiling ahead of him as he keeps working and likely
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  Speaker 6: I said, figure out the.
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  Speaker 2: Strikes, Matt.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's important for a player to realize that's
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  Speaker 1: my dog stella. I think it's important for a player
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  Speaker 1: to recognize what his strengths, what his weaknesses are. Right,
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  Speaker 1: And with a guy like Victor Scott, the second you
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  Speaker 1: got to eliminate the strikeouts and as Lance put so, well,
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  Speaker 1: you don't want the ball in the He recognizes that,
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  Speaker 1: and I think we saw him make some of those adjustments.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think Look, I think obviously we
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  Speaker 4: know he plays really good defense. I think he I
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  Speaker 4: think as he gets into the twenty five, twenty six,
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  Speaker 4: twenty seven age season, I think it's just a matter
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  Speaker 4: of how well his offensive game can develop, And it
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  Speaker 4: depends on whether he'll be an everyday player or more
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  Speaker 4: of a platoon defensive replacement type of player. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I think when you have that kind of speed, uh,
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  Speaker 4: he's gonna have a role on a team for a
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  Speaker 4: long time. But I think the next couple of years
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  Speaker 4: will tell us whether or not whether he can be
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  Speaker 4: counted on to, you know, be an everyday center fielder
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  Speaker 4: in the major leagues. So I think it'll be interesting
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  Speaker 4: to see how he can develop offensively and what the
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  Speaker 4: next even this year, I think, uh, how he learns,
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  Speaker 4: how he grows as a hitter, Like you guys talked
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  Speaker 4: about getting on base a little bit more, striking out
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  Speaker 4: a little bit less. Does he have a plan on
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  Speaker 4: how to make adjustments, What kind of adjustments is he
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  Speaker 4: getting from from the organization, and then just the maturation
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  Speaker 4: of of accumulating big lea get bats will will that
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  Speaker 4: be helpful and making him more of a you know,
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  Speaker 4: an everyday solid major league offensive player, because like you said,
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  Speaker 4: the defense and the base running is plus and so.
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  Speaker 3: It's a it has a role.
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  Speaker 4: It just I just have to see how well how
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  Speaker 4: well is offensive game continues to develop.
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  Speaker 1: And we've seen signs that it's starting to get there.
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  Speaker 1: I wish he'd work on bunting too. That's such a
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  Speaker 1: valuable tool to have in the old toolbox. I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to also ask you guys about the the Cardinal bullpen.
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  Speaker 1: You know, once Halsey was traded away, the young guys
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  Speaker 1: stepped up and the bullpen was really really good, and
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  Speaker 1: some guys really took the opportunity and ran with it.
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  Speaker 1: So I mean you got Swonson out there. Jojo is
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  Speaker 1: a veteran who also pitched very very well.
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  Speaker 2: You have O'Brien.
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  Speaker 1: So Lance, I'm gonna ask you, do you think that
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  Speaker 1: one of those guys will be closing games for the
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  Speaker 1: Cardinals in the upcoming season. Will it be someone else
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  Speaker 1: or will it be possibly shared responsibilities and mix and match.
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  Speaker 2: How do you see it?
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  Speaker 5: I would to be honest with you, if you're looking
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  Speaker 5: at the market and the I say in the back
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  Speaker 5: end market, you probably want to go get a someone
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  Speaker 5: that you can say kind of slot in there and
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  Speaker 5: be like, hey, he's our guy. That's why I'm all for,
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  Speaker 5: say Helsley coming back. You know, if he's if he's
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  Speaker 5: good for one year or whatever, it may be, just
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  Speaker 5: because it gives you a proven back in. And then
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  Speaker 5: if you have those guys in your seven eight roles
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  Speaker 5: where you can mix and match in throughout the year
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  Speaker 5: where you are and then also where they can jump
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  Speaker 5: in and closer spots when their area the lineup comes
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  Speaker 5: up to best suit them. But if you don't get
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  Speaker 5: a Hellsley type of guy, you have multiple guys that
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  Speaker 5: you can throw in in there quote unquote blocks of
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  Speaker 5: the uh, the lineup that you're facing that day. So
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if there's gonna have to be a
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  Speaker 5: set closer role. I think there's gonna be a hey, seven, eight, nine,
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  Speaker 5: here's our blocks of when you can go in and
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  Speaker 5: here's you know, are kind of our plan. There's no
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  Speaker 5: closer role. It's best suited for for your skill set
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  Speaker 5: to get the you know quality three outs would be
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  Speaker 5: my guess unless they get a bona fide back end
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  Speaker 5: saves guy like Helsley.
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  Speaker 1: What would you uh, what would you like to see
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  Speaker 1: Kyle Gibson? And how do you think it will shake out?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that's a tough one. You know, Jojo
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  Speaker 6: and and Riley both had great years. You know, I
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  Speaker 6: just kind of pulling it up here because I don't
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  Speaker 6: know all the ins and outs. But interesting thing about
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  Speaker 6: Riley is just a little bit of reverse splits on
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  Speaker 6: batting average against lefties. He's got the high ground ball
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  Speaker 6: and he gets a strikeout for nine. But I think
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  Speaker 6: we all can probably agree that the ninth inning is
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  Speaker 6: a different animal. There's just a lot more pressure on
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  Speaker 6: the line. You know, you're gonna be in there in
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  Speaker 6: a close game where one swing can change the game.
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  Speaker 6: So I mean, I think obviously Jojo probably has that
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  Speaker 6: that experience and that pedigree at the back end to
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  Speaker 6: probably be the guy that starts. Both of those guys
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  Speaker 6: have incredible stuff. By the way, I don't think this
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  Speaker 6: is a stuff question. This is like, you know, who
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  Speaker 6: is maybe best suited right now if they don't go
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  Speaker 6: get a guy. Maybe Jojo just because of the time
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  Speaker 6: that he's been down there. But I think Riley is
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  Speaker 6: definitely a guy that is, you know, surprising people last
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  Speaker 6: year and looks like he has that back end ability.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of guys with stuff out there.
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  Speaker 1: I like Swanson based on the fact that ever since
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  Speaker 1: the Cardinals got him, he was a leverage guy. He
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  Speaker 1: was closing out games and he was nasty last year.
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  Speaker 1: Matt Holliday, who do you think is gonna end up
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  Speaker 1: being the Cardinal closer?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I would guess if I had to say
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  Speaker 4: right now, it'll probably be a combination of who they have.
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  Speaker 4: Probably situationally, I don't I don't see them going out
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  Speaker 4: and signing.
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  Speaker 3: Somebody that you would bring in and say here's our guy. Uh.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know that how many are out there.
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  Speaker 4: I haven't looked at the free agent market for closers,
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  Speaker 4: but I doubt they're bringing Helsley back. Obviously Diez is
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  Speaker 4: probably not coming in, so I would guess that it's
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  Speaker 4: probably by committee until somebody on the current staff sort
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  Speaker 4: of takes over that role and becomes maybe stands out
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  Speaker 4: in spring training and then maybe in the you know,
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  Speaker 4: you give a guy a go the first week or
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  Speaker 4: two of the season. If he does well, he keeps it.
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  Speaker 4: If it's a little up and down, uh, maybe play
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  Speaker 4: matchups and if you have you know, like you have
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  Speaker 4: u Jojo, you have a left piso. Maybe if they
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  Speaker 4: have left hand hitters coming up in the ninth that's ten.
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  Speaker 4: And then you mentioned some other right handed guys, So
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  Speaker 4: I would I would suspect that it's probably somebody on
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  Speaker 4: the staff this year and probably a group effort.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, could be mixing match now. The name Ryan Helsley
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  Speaker 1: came up a few times. There's news as to how
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  Speaker 1: he may handle his future. We will get to that
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  Speaker 6: Do I really read that fast? It sounded like they
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  Speaker 6: sped my voice up like the guy at the end.
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  Speaker 6: All right, I guess I'm gonna work on that because
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  Speaker 1: We mentioned Ryan Helsley and the news came out. I
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  Speaker 1: don't take it that seriously. I'm going to go back
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  Speaker 1: in the same order, though, lance that maybe Ryan Helsley
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  Speaker 1: could consider becoming a starter he was earlier in his career,
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  Speaker 1: certainly has a number of pitches that would play as
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  Speaker 1: a starter. But when I read that, I thought to myself, Gee,
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  Speaker 1: this is a guy who set the Cardinal franchise record
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  Speaker 1: for saves, who was good as a closer last year.
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  Speaker 1: He's going to be in demand. He's gonna get the bag.
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  Speaker 1: As Kyle Gibson likes to say, as as a closer.
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  Speaker 1: The thing messed up in New York when the when
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  Speaker 1: the Mets said, oh no, you're gonna be a setup guy.
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  Speaker 1: It didn't work out that way. But this guy is
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  Speaker 1: still one of the elite closers in the league. Isn't
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  Speaker 1: that his lane?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I think so.
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  Speaker 5: I think this might be more of a play to
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  Speaker 5: use the market to maybe get some more dollars as
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  Speaker 5: a closer. You know, this is this time of year,
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  Speaker 5: or you know in free agency, there's going to be
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  Speaker 5: things that pop up that are making you look more valuable.
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  Speaker 5: And it depends on who's talking what here and this
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  Speaker 5: and that. So hell, last year there was rumor that
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  Speaker 5: I was going to be that I could go back
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  Speaker 5: to closing, and that was never going to happen. So
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  Speaker 5: there's just that's just part of free agency at this time. Now,
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  Speaker 5: could he do it? I think there's a possibility that
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  Speaker 5: he's capable of. I see him as a back end
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  Speaker 5: guy as a closer. I think the way that he
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  Speaker 5: kind of performs in his innings and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 5: it doesn't it doesn't match to be able to throw
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  Speaker 5: six innings as a starter. But that's you know, especially
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  Speaker 5: with what he's able to do in the closer role
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  Speaker 5: and what he did for the Cardinals in twenty four
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  Speaker 5: to fourth. So I think this could be just a
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  Speaker 5: little gamesmanship to get the market moving and maybe a
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  Speaker 5: little bit more dollars to be a closer.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: All right, that was my bad spreading the false mum
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: or about you coming back as a closer. I apologize,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: but I'm probably gonna be right. There was a conversation.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: There was a conversation, so it is based in reality. Yeah,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: it's like, hey, do you think you could close? The
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: answer was yes, and then everyone's like, hey, he might
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: he might be a closer this year.
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  Speaker 5: So that was it. But I can only get you
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  Speaker 5: three outs, Holly. Holly knows that, so is Kyle. If
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: you tell me I need to get you three outs.
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: I can get you three outs right now.
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  Speaker 1: Holiday is that true? Can he get three outs right now?
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: I mean right now?
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  Speaker 4: I mean it depends on who they're against exactly. You
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: can't get the three He could get the three of
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  Speaker 4: us out right now.
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: I can get you three outs?
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Am I wrong to think Kyle Gibson? Though, if you've
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: established yourself at the very top of the closer's mountain,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: that you're suddenly going to try to reinvent yourself as
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: a starter. Doesn't that seem like that would be counterproductive?
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Well?
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  Speaker 6: I mean, you know, I do think it's important to
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: remember he's done it before, right, so it's not like
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: it's totally foreign.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, this sounds a lot litle bit more like
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: the Jeff Hoffman situation. I think it was last year
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: where he said he was going to possibly do both
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: and then he didn't.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: I kind of think that Hellsley is the bullpen guy,
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: and I think he's probably gonna stay as that. I mean,
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: Jordan Hicks did it going to San France. I think
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: it worked for a little bit, and then I think
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: he kind of hit a wall.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Both years didn't work all right, I'm gonna change up
• 19:29
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  Speaker 1: it didn't work, it didn't work.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: It didn't work. I like Kicks. His stuff was phenomenal.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: I thought if they could just harness that for a
• 19:40
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• 19:43
  Speaker 1: I don't think it worked out. But he's a talented
• 19:45
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  Speaker 1: All right, So the last thing I'm gonna start with
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• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Your boys are fed, you look relaxed. So the last
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: question is give me one guy that you think the
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Cardinals should pick up. Now here are the qualifiers. It
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: has to be based on need. It has to be
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: based in reality, meaning someone that you think the Cardinals
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: could get and isn't one of the extraordinarily high priced
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  Speaker 1: guys that they probably will take a pass on.
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  Speaker 2: Who you got?
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  Speaker 2: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: No, Well, if you think if you come up with
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  Speaker 2: As they say, I.
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  Speaker 4: Mean, how much money do I I mean, I look
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: a guy like Michael King, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what his market's going to be.
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: I'm guessing it's going to be probably out of the
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: Cardinals uh price range. But a guy like Michael King
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: is I like his stuff a lot. And I think
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: he's coming off of somewhat injury plague season, so uh,
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: you might be able to get him for less years.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: But I think he's a good young starting pitcher with
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: ace type stuff that that I would be interested in.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: And and uh but again, I think a lot of
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: people are gonna be interested in him because of his stuff.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: But uh, he's a guy in the free agency that.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: That I like a lot.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: That Again, I don't know that the Cardinals will be
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: in on him, but I'll go with him.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: That's a good that's a good selection.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Then, look, we don't know any of these things or possibilities. Kyle,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: give me a name a guy.
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: You think you're not gonna yell at him? Lance yelled
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: at me when I brought up one hundred million dollar players.
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he's a hundred million dollar guy and
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: his qualify you yelled, that's that's a no go. I
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: think in the high in the high offseason plan.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: That's my guess.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: But I don't know. You think you think he's getting
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: a one hundred million.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Older than you?
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: And I don't yell at Matt.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: I'll yo you all day long.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: Kyle, I didn't know. Don't you guys think he's getting
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: a hundred million.
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: All I know is he got the qualifying off he sets.
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: I think that's a hard pass in him's mind right.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: Now, Okay, I don't Okay, Yeah, that's probably he looks hurt.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: I like, no, I didn't think about the qualifying for Kyle.
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: To be honest with you, King, I like three for
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: seventy five. I don't think it's a hundred. And we
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: talked about Gallon, right I like, I think Gallon's going
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: to be a good picture too. But I don't see him.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: I don't see him because he's got the qualifying for
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: two and he's going to be in that same ballpark
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: where I think he gets a fourth year because he's
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: had more track record.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: But it could be in a trade too. It could
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: be trade. Maybe they signed. I don't know, but I'm
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: talking trade possibility.
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: M m all right, Kyle's up.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Kyle, don't mess up. Because Lance will scold you.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Lance.
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: The last thing I saw was you said three save
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: five and you leaned in like you were gonna hit me,
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: like I said something offensive. That's the last thing I heard.
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: But yeah, I.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Don't, man, who's the guy?
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: That's a tough one. I mean, I think there's a
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: couple of trades out there to be had that might
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: be really interesting. I think a trade for maybe like
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: a Nick Cassianos could be an interesting one for the Cardinals.
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: You get a right handed outfield d H bat that
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: you know, I think I think could be interesting. Knowing
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: Nick how he is in the clubhouse as a veteran,
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: I think could be good, really really want to win
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: type personality. And I know that maybe that's not the
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: year that the Cardinals could find themselves in, but I
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: think it could be an interesting one.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Now he's a villain.
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: He's a villain because they're gonna be a third basement
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: right in Philly.
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: I mean, I think it could be interesting. Yeah, that
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: could be an interesting trade.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Castianos is a villain in Saint Louis, but it's happened
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: before with Aj Perzinski, who wasn't well thought of, came
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: here and became beloved. That could happen with Castianos too,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: And that's a guy.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: I agree. He's a presence.
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: Did Aj become loved He did all.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Right by the media.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: By the media, he didn't really, he didn't play enough
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: in Saint Louis to become love, but the media loved him.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: He's a good dude. All right.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for this edition of Cardinal Territory.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: We will see you next time. It's holiday week. We
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: got another one coming up, and hopefully that episode won't suck.