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JFK ASSASSINATION Ep. 332 - Late Night At The Cabana · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 3: Indeed, Joseph and folks, welcome in. This is episode number
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  Speaker 3: three hundred and thirty two of the Lone Gunman podcast.
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  Speaker 3: That's right, and uh, just to reiterate, if you wasn't
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  Speaker 3: a great show and we talked a little bit. We
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  Speaker 1: Oh I checked the yesterday and it was like at
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  Speaker 3: Should have checked it today, Joe, because maybe, uh yeah,
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  Speaker 3: they got you pretty hard man. They got me good,
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  Speaker 3: but they got you hard harder.
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  Speaker 1: That's okay.
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  Speaker 3: It's like a little bit. I'm a big boy bo
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  Speaker 3: I know, I know, I'm just saying yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But we did have a great time on on Solving
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  Speaker 1: JFK and Rob being the podcast legend.
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  Speaker 3: He is.
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  Speaker 1: Recorded last Friday Live with Us the next day on
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  Speaker 1: Saturday for Quick Hits on Monday evening with Matt Crumpton
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  Speaker 1: on Wednesday for Remembers only and now again here on
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  Speaker 1: Friday night.
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  Speaker 3: I also spent two hours with Janet Banister last night.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I didn't do that. I forgot about that. How
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  Speaker 1: was that?
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  Speaker 3: Uh? It was? It was okay. Yeah, it was good
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  Speaker 3: making the progress. We were helping her out with a
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  Speaker 3: little bit with her season two outline. She has some
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  Speaker 3: she has some questions about some things regarding Guy Banister,
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  Speaker 3: and it was really cool we got I got to
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  Speaker 3: hang there with her and and her sisters.
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  Speaker 1: Her sisters were there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, very very nice. Everybody was very nice, and yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we had a good time. Like I said, it was
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  Speaker 3: a couple couple hours. And she's she's very meticulously detailed
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  Speaker 3: in her preparation.
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  Speaker 1: I will say this is and you can tell that
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  Speaker 1: from her season.
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  Speaker 3: We had a gigantic spreadsheet, you know, and it was
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  Speaker 3: just full of bullet points because she's going she's going
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  Speaker 3: to be going into Banister in New Orleans for season two,
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  Speaker 3: and as as everybody knows, there's a lot to that,
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  Speaker 3: and of course her being somewhat impartial or wanting to
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  Speaker 3: be someone impartial or come off as impartial. Mhm. She's
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  Speaker 3: trying to look at things from both sides of the
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  Speaker 3: spectrum of the conspiracy angle and the lone Nutter perspective
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  Speaker 3: about Guy Banister.
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  Speaker 1: And him being a part of her family. Right, that's well, she's.
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  Speaker 3: Trying to like there's been a lot of allegations over
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  Speaker 3: the years concerning Guy Banister, some some some good, some
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  Speaker 3: not so good, some unsavory, And with anything when it
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  Speaker 3: comes to your personal family, you know, she has certain
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  Speaker 3: reservations about some things. But like I kind of told her,
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  Speaker 3: I was like, look, you just got to put it
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  Speaker 3: out there, the good, the good, the bad, the ugly,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and you have to put it into the
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  Speaker 3: perspective of the times. This was sixty some years ago.
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  Speaker 3: America was a much different place than you know, people
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  Speaker 3: that were, like I said, around sixty then, you know,
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  Speaker 3: there they come from a different time. I mean, this
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  Speaker 3: is like your great grandparents, you know what I mean. Like,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, even my grandparents, you know, harbored some racial
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  Speaker 3: issues because the way they were raised.
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  Speaker 1: It's a different time.
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  Speaker 3: They were you know, out burning crosses and wearing white
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  Speaker 3: uniforms and the hoods. But you know, uh, it was
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  Speaker 3: just a different time. You know, they were raised a
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  Speaker 3: certain way and uh yeah, you know, in the South
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  Speaker 3: and just the way it was.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to take it in context of the
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  Speaker 1: time period, for sure.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So you know, I just kind of reassured us
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  Speaker 3: to look, you know, don't worry about the blowback. It
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  Speaker 3: is what it is. It's it's out of your hands.
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  Speaker 3: There's nothing to control. It's just the facts. And so
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  Speaker 3: just be be open and honest or people going to
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  Speaker 3: come after you for not being open and honest. So
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  Speaker 3: it was a it was a good call. We got
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  Speaker 3: a lot accomplished, and hopefully I left here with more
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  Speaker 3: questions and answers as I love to do here on
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  Speaker 3: this show.
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  Speaker 1: So six out of eight nights, including this Friday and
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  Speaker 1: last last Friday and this Friday.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so technically sixty fast and eight nights. Wow, I'm
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  Speaker 3: a machine. Joe, you are you are.
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  Speaker 1: No one can deny that.
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  Speaker 3: Ell Machina.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So before we get started, let's welcome in the folks. Joe.
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  Speaker 3: We got h tiny dancer first in line.
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  Speaker 6: Hello, tiny sounding tonight, good job, Ty. Yeah, there's a
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  Speaker 6: line I'd like to get in. Uh, Paul, but Paul did,
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  Speaker 6: Oh no, Trey did Trey?
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  Speaker 3: Paul? What's up? Fellas bungled what's up? Bungled Paul's in
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  Speaker 3: the house. Howdy Hotty, Howdy. Big Mic is always in
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  Speaker 3: the house. What's up? Fort Worth, Texas in the house. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: let's see, let's see.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Ruby's in the house. She's looking at me as
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  Speaker 1: I just said her name.
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  Speaker 3: Scott is in the house. Hello, Scott, Hell is Scott?
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  Speaker 3: Jack is in the house. What's up? Jack? You listen
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  Speaker 3: to the replay? You damn righty is fire? Always is
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  Speaker 3: fire if we do say so ourselves. Uh, by Steve Clawson,
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  Speaker 3: what is up? That is a somewhat new name.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, we have a few dozen new subscribers from
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  Speaker 1: the podcast on Wednesday since I dropped.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, anyone, let's come over from.
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  Speaker 1: Solving jfk Uh. We're happy to have you here, and
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  Speaker 1: you'll be happy to learn that Matt.
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  Speaker 3: Is going to come on in two weeks and and.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of bullshit with us. And uh, we're happy that
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  Speaker 1: you enjoyed it enough to subscribe and come over here.
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  Speaker 3: See see South to West is in the house. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: I am grinding, Bud, I am grinding.
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  Speaker 1: Never stops never.
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  Speaker 3: Paula is in the house.
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  Speaker 1: Hot Paula, good evening, Paula.
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  Speaker 3: All right, it looks like I wrote call for classes
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  Speaker 3: in Welcome Welcome in everyone. So a couple of things
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  Speaker 3: have happened Joe, Emilee, Helloly, did I miss Lee? No,
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  Speaker 3: he just mentioned. He just commented, Oh okay, yeah, welcome
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  Speaker 3: in Lee. There he is. So a couple of things
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  Speaker 3: have happened. Big news. Clint Hill passed away, right, we
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  Speaker 3: got the news. I think late last it was the
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  Speaker 3: late last Friday or Monday, I don't know. Anyway, Rest
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  Speaker 3: in peace. Clint Hill.
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  Speaker 1: The only guy that made an effort in the Secret Service.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, I was messaging and kind of messing
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  Speaker 1: with Mike and I was like, well, you know, it
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  Speaker 1: was kind He was kind of a warr commissioned defender,
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  Speaker 1: almost like a gatekeeper of the Secret Service. But at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the day, he was the only person
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  Speaker 1: that sprung into action. Everyone else was looking around like,
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  Speaker 1: who what will we do? So props to him. You
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  Speaker 1: can't take that away from him, you cannot.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, all the nonsense later on in life,
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  Speaker 3: with the different stories and all that jazz whatever, you know,
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  Speaker 3: but props to him. He pulled a thirty year younger wife.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he must have been doing something right. So
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  Speaker 3: props to Clint Hill.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Robert, I have an analogy is he is he
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  Speaker 1: kind of like the level of the DPD for the
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  Speaker 1: Secret Service.
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that much, and I've seen people say
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  Speaker 3: that he was a gatekeeper for the Secret Service, which
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  Speaker 3: you know, I understand. I mean, well, he protected his
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  Speaker 3: he did his thing, and I'm sure they treated him well,
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  Speaker 3: as you said, he was the only one to do
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  Speaker 3: anything that day, you know, and he stayed there for
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure how long after the assassination with the
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  Speaker 3: Secret Service, but I'm pretty sure that he stayed on
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  Speaker 3: as Jackie's personal protection, if you will, after that, and
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  Speaker 3: may have even there's been rumors of certain romantic interludes
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  Speaker 3: there as well.
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  Speaker 1: Really, yeah, he was a good looking guy back in
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  Speaker 1: the day.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, you seen the movie The Bodyguard, right,
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  Speaker 3: I have not real will always love you. Okay, I'll
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  Speaker 3: shut the cup right now because that was horrible.
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  Speaker 1: That was great with a vape smoke coming out of
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  Speaker 1: the mouth, that was like pretty good. I might screech
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  Speaker 1: that later.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, not use that as a short no, where you're fired? Okay,
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  Speaker 3: So all right, Pete Clint Hill, Yes, bravo to him
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  Speaker 3: for actually doing something that day. And I don't blame
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  Speaker 3: him for gate keeping. That was his organization, you know,
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  Speaker 3: through and through. You're not going to do something to
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  Speaker 3: screw up your pension, Rob.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know how long he stayed on the back
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  Speaker 1: of the presidential limo? Did he go all the way
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  Speaker 1: to parking on it? Did he put himself up like
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  Speaker 1: in the back seat? I can't remember.
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  Speaker 3: I know he was riding on it most of the
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  Speaker 3: way because he could not get into the back seat
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  Speaker 3: because the president is slumped over into Jackie's lap. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I think he pretty much rode like right on the
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  Speaker 3: back of.
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  Speaker 1: The seat that whole way, for almost the whole way.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow, Yeah, So that's that's a true American hero
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  Speaker 3: ship right there, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: So, yeah, it's definitely an iconic image right up, easy, No,
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  Speaker 1: it's definitely an iconic image. As I was saying, that's
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  Speaker 1: a big part of the Superior film. But yeah, let's
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  Speaker 1: get into uh our topic for tonight, mister Rob. He
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  Speaker 1: wrote down the freeway there according to photos, Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: know that. I was just not sure if you've rolled
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  Speaker 1: the whole way. I'm guessing probably because they're not going
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  Speaker 1: to stop it, right, h.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean I don't know, there's not I
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  Speaker 3: don't think there was much room there in the back
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  Speaker 3: seat because of the jump seats. And he probably just
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  Speaker 3: how long grew up and held on, held on for
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  Speaker 3: dear life, said.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go, as many were holding on for dear life.
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  Speaker 3: Well go go go. He was white and knuckling it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: because as Paul said, there were photos. Yes, I didn't
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  Speaker 3: know that. So yeah, rest in peace, Clint Hill, you're
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  Speaker 3: the man.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. They keep dying off fewer and every year, and
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  Speaker 1: they knew. As we talked about on Wednesday, and we
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  Speaker 1: were kind of making fun of the task Force.
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  Speaker 3: Well, let's scratch one off the hotty task Force hotty
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  Speaker 3: list of people to interview about this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe should have more luck with all the medical doctors.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wait, they're all dead too, or the Warrant Commission.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're all over the dirt and it doesn't really
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  Speaker 3: matter what they have to say, So let's scratch them
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  Speaker 3: off with this as well. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And we're referring to a tweet by Anna Pauline
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  Speaker 1: a Luna saying she's going down to Dallas with the
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  Speaker 1: Task Force to interview firsthand witnesses. Yeah, and we're not
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  Speaker 1: going to rehash that, but members only people.
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  Speaker 3: Will know that. Let's just say there aren't many left
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  Speaker 3: in Dallas, and the ones that are, well, you know
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  Speaker 3: who you are.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you may as well not listen to them.
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  Speaker 1: Sixty one years later and just.
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  Speaker 3: We see you you, we see you.
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  Speaker 1: So hey, all right, sir.
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  Speaker 3: Tonight I came across an article from many many moons
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  Speaker 3: ago kind of written about this weird convergence at the
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  Speaker 3: Cabana Motor Hotel Lodge. Now, I am going to pop
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  Speaker 3: back up the cover photo for this very episode here
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  Speaker 3: because it has a very glorious picture of the Cabana
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  Speaker 3: and all its glory in the late sixties. I believe
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  Speaker 3: this picture was taken in nineteen sixty seven. As you
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  Speaker 3: can see, it was quite the fancy spot.
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  Speaker 1: Joe doesn't look like a motel.
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  Speaker 3: No, it was a motor hotel, is what they called it.
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  Speaker 3: It means you could drive right up to Sunmitch Park
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  Speaker 3: and stay there. Now, it was quite fancy, had you know,
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  Speaker 3: lighted fountains in the front, and as many hotels did
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  Speaker 3: back then, they had a I guess it was a
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  Speaker 3: theater inside where singers, lounge singers, you know, big names
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  Speaker 3: would come. You know, before there was arenas, they would
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  Speaker 3: do the rounds at the hotels and you know, often
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  Speaker 3: making these places a destination instead of just a room
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  Speaker 3: for the night. You know these you know, like you
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  Speaker 3: can roll up. They'd have like Frank Sinatra performing, you know,
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  Speaker 3: three nights and yeah, it would pack that hotel to
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  Speaker 3: the gills and sell to the guests. And I mean
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  Speaker 3: imagine how many rooms they sold and food that they
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  Speaker 3: sold if they had a big name singer there, you know,
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  Speaker 3: over the weekend or something. I mean, so that's what
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  Speaker 3: we're looking at here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of like a residency in Vegas these days.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, something kind of like that, like you know,
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  Speaker 3: the Dead and Company at the Sphere, you know, the
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  Speaker 3: Grateful Dead live at the Cabana Hotel and that.
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  Speaker 1: I would have hit that show.
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  Speaker 3: Hell yeah, just stay away from the balcony. Yeah, for sure,
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  Speaker 3: bad things happen around balconies, Joe, That's true.
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  Speaker 1: That's very sure.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't know, Joe might have a little bit
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  Speaker 3: more here in a little bit about the history or
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  Speaker 3: what happened to the Cabana Hotel. Something interesting, Well, we'll
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  Speaker 3: get to That was the Cabana downtown Dallas. The Cabana
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  Speaker 3: was I believe right on the Stemen right off the
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  Speaker 3: Stemens Freeway if I'm remembering correctly. Yes, so, yes, it
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  Speaker 3: was back then. It was probably what you would call
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  Speaker 3: the outskirts maybe, but it was still close to downtown fairly. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The Beatles and other rock bands stayed at the Cabana.
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  Speaker 3: So that tells you that this place was a thank you, Paula,
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  Speaker 3: that this place was, you know, one of the swankier
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  Speaker 3: joints if you will, back in the sixties. Yeh. And
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  Speaker 3: funny fun fact Joe about the Beatles. As you know,
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  Speaker 3: the invasion came mere months after JFK's assassination, their invasion
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  Speaker 3: of America. And as they as they landed at love
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  Speaker 3: Field and they were making their way to the Cabana,
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  Speaker 3: they drove through Deally Plaza and pretended like they were
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  Speaker 3: getting shot in the back of the car. Really yeah,
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  Speaker 3: stop it, no shit, true story. And they were laughing
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  Speaker 3: and giggling and pretending they were getting shot in the
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  Speaker 3: back of the car they were driving through Deally Plaza.
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  Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah, I mean these are young kids at
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  Speaker 3: the time. You know whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're tripping.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they're riding high probably literally. All right, So
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  Speaker 3: the Cabana. The more we checked into the Cabana, I
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  Speaker 3: was like, Okay, well, there's a lot of interesting things
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  Speaker 3: going on there. And one of the main things is
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  Speaker 3: Jack Ruby visits the Cabana Motor Hotel the night before
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  Speaker 3: the assassination as part of his I guess World Win
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  Speaker 3: tour of whatever the hell he was doing the night
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  Speaker 3: before the assassination. And we'll get more into that for sure,
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  Speaker 3: but I just wanted to to go through and and
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  Speaker 3: and read a little bit about who all was at
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  Speaker 3: the Cabana that we can, because it's a very interesting list.
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  Speaker 3: So definitely is at the Cabana that weekend is a
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  Speaker 3: friend of Jack Ruby's named Lawrence Myers, and he is
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  Speaker 3: from Chicago, where Jack Ruby is from. Allegedly, the story
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  Speaker 3: goes that this guy was a big, swinging dick businessman
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  Speaker 3: right lots of money and often traveled to Dallas and
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  Speaker 3: would stay at the Adolphus and would go across the
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  Speaker 3: street and hang out at the Carousel Club. And I
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  Speaker 3: think the first time he went there, him and Jack
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  Speaker 3: Ruby really got on very well because in the course
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  Speaker 3: of talking, of course he found out that Jack was
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  Speaker 3: from Chicago, and of course they had something in common then,
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  Speaker 3: and they could go reminisce, you know, and and and
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  Speaker 3: like I said, Larry was still Lawrence Myers was still
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  Speaker 3: living in Chicago, but every time he would go hang
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  Speaker 3: out with Jack and they became somewhat somewhat of friends,
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  Speaker 3: right And uh does it mean anything? I don't know.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: I mean we'll dive in more into who Lawrence Myers was.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: But along with Lawrence Myers, uh was a blue eyed,
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: blonde fluozy hoo by the name of Jeene Ace. I
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: believe her name was the dick there. And we'll get
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: more into this here in a little bit. Is that
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: accord During the course of the Yearson investigation, they investigated
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: calls made from uh g ray Gill's office specifically, and well,
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: they couldn't really pin down who made the call because
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: it's strictly coming from an office line, and there was
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: lots of people in gray Gill's office. There were secretaries
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: and investigators like David Ferry. Now, of course Garrison would
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: try to say that David Ferry made a call to
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: this number, and we also have calls made to that
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: number by Jack Ruby as well. So he was trying
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: to turn this into some kind of a weird connection,
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: which is why we're here talking about this whole thing
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: this evening now. Also at the Cabana that evening was
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Lawrence Meyer's brother Eddie and his wife Thelma, and possibly
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: his son. Were not sure because Eddie, Thelma and his
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: son had been in Mexico previously to this UH to
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: coming back and staying in in UH in Dallas, his
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: brother Eddie was was there as as a Pepsi cola
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: distributor for the Pepsi Cola conference, you know, the same
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: one that Nixon was was speaking at. It was happening
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: in Dallas that weekend as well.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe it was from New York, wasn't he?
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: Who?
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Uh, Edward?
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I know he was Lawrence Meyer's brother.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have I have a couple of things on So.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: If Lawrence is from Chicago originally, my guess would be
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: that Eddie was from Chicago originally but maybe living in
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: New York at the time. Okay. Also staying at the
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: Cabana that weekend a fellow by the name of Jim
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Braiden aka Eugene Hale Braiden. This is why Jim Garrison
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: had a giant hard on for Jim Braden, trying to
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: get him extradited from California to New Orleans so he
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: could implicate him, possibly in the assassination conspiracy.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, famously caught in the Dallas text building, Yeah.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: And arrested, Yeah, but subsequently released. And we'll get more
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: into Jim Braiden here a little bit. Along with Jim Braiden.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: I believe who was it Joe Morgan that would be Uh,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: wasn't Frank Morgan.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Wasn't Morgan Brown? Morgan Brown the oil producer, Yeah, two
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: five five Beverly Boulevard, Los Angeles, Brown and Root.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: And I believe Braiden was from Los Angeles, right or CA.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. And according to author Peter Noyes, Braiden is
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: alleged to have paid a visit to the offices of
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: the Hunt Oil Company the day before the assassination synchronicity.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: The same day, Jack Ruby drove a young woman named
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Connie Trammell to their same offices for a job interview
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: with Lamar Hunt. Hunt security chief Paul Rothamel would later
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: state that Ruby himself did not enter Hunt's office that day,
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: but Rothermel was certain at some point Brayden did. Braiden, however,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: has always maintained that his only associates, that only his
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: associates visited the Hunt with the Hunts. Now there's also
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: a Jim Braiden David Ferry connection. Why not, of course
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: there is. You can't make this stuff up, folks. So
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: David Ferry worked out of Room one seven oh seven
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: in the pair Marquette Building in New Orleans, and that
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: was the office of g Ray Gill, Carlos Barcelo's attorney.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: A czech of federal records and correspondence showed that, in
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: addition to his office in Beverly Hills, California, Braiding also
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: shared office space on occasion in the Para Marquette Building
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: a few doors away from Ferry, in rooms seventeen oh one.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Seventeen oh one was the office of an oil geologist,
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Vernon Maine Junior, and Braiden did receive mail at that
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: address and at one time informed parole authorities that he
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: would be working out of the Main's office while he
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: was in New Orleans. Who there's that? Did Lawrence Myers know?
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: Jim Braden. Myers told the House Select Committee that he
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: had never heard of Braiden and knew nothing about him
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: being at the kaband on November twenty first, sixty three.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Yep he did.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: And we'll get more into his House Select Comittee assassination
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: stuff here in it a little bit now. Also deposed
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: by the House Selectivity on Assassinations in nineteen seventy eight,
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Jim Braden expressed anger and bitterness towards author Peter Noyas
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: who quote dug my grave and completely ruined my life
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: end quote, creating charges that I was connecting a sinisters
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: conspiracy to assassinate former President John F. Kennedy. Whatever the
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: Committee can do to straighten the matter out and get
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: to the truth of it, I would appreciate, stated Braiden
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: born braiding, because I want my name cleared and I
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: want to stigma removed from my name and my family's name.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: And this is of course some fifteen years after the assassination.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: He's still a little pissed off about that. So Joe,
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: I'm going to hand things over to you and we're
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: going to go a little bit deeper into the Myers
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: uh and some of these other Focalton uh here in
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: the Copah Copa Cobana, yep.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: And as we discussed on remembers only, I think like
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: three or four weeks ago when Ruby was arrested and
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Ralph Paul, his business partner who we will touch on
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: as well, took over operations of the Carousel Club. He
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: tried changing the name before he had to shut it down.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: And Ralph, I believe Ralph Paul was eating dinner at
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: the Cabana the night before the assassination along with Ruby
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: and the Myers.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, that's a big uh.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken, I could be mistaken, but I
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: don't think I am.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: I believe you are not. So yeah, I looked into
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: a little bit of Lawrence Myers, and granted, you know,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: I didn't know much about him whatsoever, but I thought
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: we'd start with the hsca biographical summary on him, because
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: that will kinda lay the baseline in a sense. Lawrence
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Myers was born December sixteenth, nineteen ten, in New York.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Spent a number of years working in various California cities
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: after leaving New York as a teenager, and settled in
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: the Chicago area, staying there for eight years. There's an
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: indication that he once went by the name of Hyman
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Victor Myers and all right. In seventy eight, he was
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: living in Dallas, having moved there in March sixty four
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: for business purposes. He married in nineteen thirty six and
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: had three children and six Lawrence Myers was the sales
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: manager in the sporting goods division of euro manufacturing Company
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: West Monroe Street, Chicago. In sixty four, he moved to
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: a similar position with a competitor, Farmer Brothers, Memphis, Tennessee.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to skip some of his later work
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: timeline as that's not completely relevant. But there is no
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: indication that this is the HCA summary Here. There's no
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: indication that Myers had engaged in criminal activities, had a
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: criminal record, or had been the subject of any criminal
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: or related investigations. In quotes, besides the assassination of Jaka,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: he did not appear to have any political or law
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: enforcement connections. But let's see, the Warrant Commission considered Myers
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: to be a personal friend of Jack Ruby, with no
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: intimidation or of criminal or similar links, and it merely
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: tried to examine the extent of this friendship Myers impressions
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: of Ruby, and Meyer's possible knowledge of any of Ruby's
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: actions or associates. Myers Commission testimony of August twenty four
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: to sixty four, taken by Bert Griffin of the War Commission,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: was therefore direct and somewhat brief. He was accommodating and responsive,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: but his recollection of dates was somewhat poor. And that's
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: going to be key when we get into his AGCA
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: here rob as it was during his nineteen seventy eight
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: committee deposition, Yes quite poor. Myers told the Warren Commission
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: that he first met Jack Ruby by chance at the
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Carousel Nightclub, although he was not certain of the exact day.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: He said he had known Ruby for six or seven years,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: pre dating Ruby's ownership of the Carousel Club. In his
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy eight deposition for the HCA, Meyer said that
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: he first met Ruby at a sporting good show in
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Dallas in nineteen sixty one or early sixty two, to
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: which Ruby had gone because of his interest in barbells
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: and physical culture. Is that weights, yeah, right, like the
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: bar bells, like freeway to use the gym, okay, I
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: wasn't sure about that.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: Ruby was very fitness oriented Joe Yes, yes, a fan
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: of swimming at the YMCA.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Not sure.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: The twist board yeah, yes, yes, he gave a big
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: demonstration at the Cabanon. Yeah.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: And I guess that physical culture comment makes sense, But
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Lawrence Myer shared that interest, and they had also had
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: their mutual Chicago backgrounds and religious beliefs. They were both
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Jewish with their relationship. While their relationship has been described
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: by a carousel dancer as casual, Meyers stated in nineteen
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: sixty four that he had seen Ruby twenty to thirty
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: five times since their first meeting. They always met in
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Dallas at the carousel, as Myers had occasion to make
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: frequent business trips to Dallas. In seventy eight, Myers amended
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: the number of contexts.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: To twelve, so.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: He kind of cut that down by a third. There
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: there is no indication that any pre sixty three visits
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: by Myers were relevant. Myers visited Dallas at least four
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: times in sixty three. One visit occurred in October. Most
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: of the details concerning this visit came from Joyce Lee McDonald,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: a dance earth carousel, who stated that she first met
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Myers on October ten, sixty three at the club and
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: saw him there for several eating evenings that week. She
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: once had a few drinks with him. Hmm, interesting, only
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: a few drinks from let's see. Myers testimony indicated that
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: he first met McDonald stripper that week at the Texas
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: State Fair, where McDonald had a part time job involving
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: a film promotion. And they go into this whole thing
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: about a check that bounced. The incident seemed trivial, but
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Myers was also in Dallas during the week of the assassination,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: arriving from Chicago with a female companion, Jeane West. Put
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: a bookmark in that name Ladies and Gents, who also
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: used the name of Jeene Asse. Myers had first met
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: with the first met West in Chicago a week or
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: two before the assassination at a lounge in the apartment
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: building where West lived. Myers described her as a quote
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: semi professional hooker. So he takes this semi professional hooker
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: with him to Dallas. They arrived in Dallas on November
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: twenty and sixty three, registering at the Dallas Ramata Inn.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: They moved to the Cabana on November twenty first, sixty three.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Myers was not able to explain fully why the switch
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: in motels happened, and offered the possibilities that the Cabana
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: was completely booked or that he needed sleep after arriving
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: in Dallas, and the Ramada was located near the airport.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Myers conducted his normal business activities during the day. On
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: November twenty first, sixty three, accompanied by his Gumar, he
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: had met over year two before, visited Ruby at the
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Carousel Club that evening. That would be November twenty first,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: the night before the assassination, although in nineteen seventy eight
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: his recollection of this meeting was very vague virtually nonexistent.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: The Carousel visit lasted for approximately one hour. They had
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: drinks and discussed show personalities, the acts of the carousel,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: and other things. Myerstl the Warrant Commission that Ruby was
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: upset that evening over the firing of Janet Conforto Akaa Jada.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: We have talked about her leaving Dallas. I believe it
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: was the morning of the twenty second rob and another performer,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: although the dismissal dismissal had occurred one month earlier. Myers
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: and West returned to the cabana after having invited Ruby
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: to join them there for a drink. Ruby arrived with
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: the Cabana at approximately midnight, where he met Myers and
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: West and was introduced to Edward Myers, Lawrence Myers's brother
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: and his wife. Edward Myers was in Dallas attending a
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: convention related to his New York bottling and distribution business.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Ruby stayed at Cabana for only a few minutes, allegedly,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: and had to return to his club. Myers next contact
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: with Ruby occurred on Saturday night. So we're going from
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Thursday night to Saturday night here, November twenty third, nineteen
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: sixty three, although the exact circumstances are muddled. When interviewed
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: following the assassination, Myers had spoken of the telephone call
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: to his room at the Cabana at approximately ten pm
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: from Ruby. They talked for about fifteen to twenty minutes,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: were unable to arrange a meeting that night, and made
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: tentative plans to have dinner the following night. Okay, so
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: they're talking about Friday. That's what the calls made. Myers
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: told the FBI that on Sunday, November twenty fourth, Myers
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: went to McKinley, Texas on business, then to Sherman, Texas,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: intending to play golf shot up for Perfessuable Concepts, but
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: this was canceled after news of the shooting of Oswalt arrived.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Myers told the committee that he had received the news
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: of the shooting while driving to his golf date, and
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: that he continued and played around of golf because why not,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: and shot his quote worst round ever. Great added context
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: there hungover maybe or maybe worried about something else. You're
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: involved in. Golf is mental. You know, if you're buy
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: and out, you're not gonna play well. I can attest
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: to that.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: Look, this guy had been up half the night banging
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: this whore drinking. Give give him a break, man. Yeah,
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: he could shoot. He could shoot a one twenty that morning.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Fair enough. I respect that. On November twenty fifth, Myers
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: and West flew back to Chicago, So that would be
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: that one day. And Myers said he never saw West again.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: So the gumar he brought two Dallas, he never saw
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: again following their return to Chicago.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: You know why he didn't see her again because Lawrence
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: Myers was married, and uh, he had to go and
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: talk to the Warrant Commission about this indiscretion of a
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: trip with his side piece. Yea, and his wife got
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: a little pissed off about it, as one would.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yeah, So essentially he got caught in the
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: middle of something and probably had to have a tough conversation.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: Very bad timing, you know, thanks a lot, Jack Ruby.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: So.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: The commission also questioned several other witnesses as to whether
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: or not they knew or heard Lawrence Myers. Ralph Paul,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: who was Ruby's business associate, Eva Grant, Alice Nichols, and
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Curtis Crayford rob all said they had no recollection of
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: this individual Myers, although Myers had stated that he knew
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Eva Grant. Ruby's roommate, George Senator said he remembered meeting
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Myers at the Carousel one night during the summer of
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: sixty three, although he's not sure of the date. George
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Senator gave the Warm Commission a brief description of Myers
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: and stated that he knew a little bit about his business,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: but not how Ruby had met him. Senator stated that
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: he met Myers just that one time, but Myers told
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: the FBI that he had met Senator at the carousel
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: on several occasions, and told the Commission he had met
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Senator at least six times.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: I don't remember a goddamn thing about him. One time
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: I met.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Him, first time being shortly after he met Ruby.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: I'm George Senator. Yeah.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy eight, However, Meyer stated he had met
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Senator only once, saying hello, how are you. Also stated
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: he had met Abe Weinstein casually after Weinstein was out
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: of the nightclub business, and he knew Joe Campeazi, having
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: first met him in the late nineteen sixties or early
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: seventies at a golf tournament deposition before the HCA. This
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: is great, rob.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: I might have.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: Not included that, but it was great.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: He Myers had played a golf tournament with Campeze, he goes,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: and his I haven't actually After In a later slide,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: he goes, oh, as a matter of fact, I played
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: a golf tournament with him just last week, camp Ez.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Myers is saying of campez So I think his meeting
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: him in the late nineteen sixties early nineteen seventies date
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: range might be off by about a decade. He is
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: hedging his limits here in terms of when he met Campeze,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: and of course that brings up the question of why.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: But probably because he's a dirty, dirty ratt.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: So I have one more document. Let me share this
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: really quick on an early FBI document on Edward Myers,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: which was Lawrence Myers's brother. And this is an FBI document.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: It's dated twelve six, but I believe it's twelve two
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: or three. And Edward Myers, who resides in Brooklyn, New York,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: and was the owner of the operator of Queen's Beverage
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Company distributor. He and his wife had planned to attend
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: the convention of the American Bottlers of Carbonated.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Beverages Carbinated Beverages.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Imagine how exciting.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: That otherwise.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Jeez. He had also decided to combine this with a
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: vacation trip to Mexico City and visit his wife's sister.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Prior to leaving on this trip, his brother, Lawrence Myers,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: had visited him in New York and said that he
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: would be in Dallas, Texas during the same week. They
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: made arrangements and met up with each other in Dallas.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Edward Myers left with his wife on November eighth, sixty
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: three and went to Mexico City. They returned from Mexico
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: City on the eighteenth of November, four days before the assassination,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: via American Airlines whatever.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: And I'm sure somebody somewhere, at some point has tried
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: to tie this in with Oswald's Mexico City trip as well.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little later, but like a month after.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: But why I seen, I mean, were they going there
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: for the scenery?
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know. Lawrence Myers called his brother Edward,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: at a Dolphins Hotel in Dallas, Texas, on the evening
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: on November twenty first, sixty three, that's the Thursday, to
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: make arrangements to have dinner together. Edward Myers was unable
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: to have dinner with his brother, but after a sub
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: subsequent phone call, he did meet his brother at the
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Bon Vivante room of the Cabana Motel about midnight November
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: twenty first, nineteen sixty three. Myers pointed out that his
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: reservation at the Dolphins Hotel had previously been made for
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: him by the Pepsi Cola company. Okay, and there was
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: just another FBI document. The first one interviewing Lawrence Myers
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: is pretty vague, but he advised that on November twentieth,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: he flew to Dallas, Texas, where the night of November
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: twentieth he stayed at the Ramato Hotel and checked into
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: the Cabana Motel. On the morning of November twenty first,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: He stated, he pursued his normal business affairs that date,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: and in the evening following dinner, he went to Jack
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Ruby's Carousel Club. Mister Myers stated that on this trip
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: to Dallas, he was accompanied by Miss Jean West, who
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: he had known casually as a resident of Chicago, Illinois.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: So this is the first like FBI document. I think
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: this is a twelve three. It was taken on even
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: though it was published twelve twelve, so they're being very
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: kind with her description of Miss jean West. Here. He
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: described Miss West as a quote rather dumb but accommodating
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: broad end. That's gold. That is gold. She's dumb, but
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: she'll do whatever I want. He pointed out that his
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: association with Miss West is not known to members of
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: his family Shocker, or his business associates. When he and
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Miss West arrived at the Carousel Club, he introduced her
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: to the owner, Jack Ruby, and Ruby joined them at
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: their table by Miss West. Two champagne cocktails. He stated
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: that during the course of their stay at the club
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: and that evening, the conversation revolved primarily around show personalities,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: the acts currently appearing at the club, and other items
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: of topical interest. He advised that miss West remained at
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: the Carousel Club for a approximately one hour, returning to
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: their motel at eleven pm. Mister Myers stated at the
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: Carousel Club he had invited Ruby to join him at
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: the Cabana Motel for a drink with him and his brother,
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: Edward Myers, and Edward's wife. Shortly thereafter, Ruby came to
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: the motel, where he introduced to his brother and his wife.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Ruby remained at the hotel for only a few minutes
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: before he left, seeing he had to return to his club,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: the Carousel. Yeah, so that's some of the HCA and
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: the early documents of Lawrence and Edward Myers. And I
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: know we're going to do a little back and forth here.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: You're going to talk about something and then I'll go
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: back to them in a little bit.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, so let's get into a little examination of
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: what Jack Ruby was doing the night before the assassination. Okay,
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: On Thursday, November twenty first, Jack Ruby was attending to
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: his usual duties as the proprietor of two Dallas night spots.
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: That would be the Carousel Club and a downtown nightclub
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: featuring strip or that is, the downtown nightclub featuring strip
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: teas dancers and the Vegas Club, a rock and roll
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: establishment in the Oaklawn section of Dallas, which I believe
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: his sister normally ran, but also Larry Crayford would fill
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: in when she wasn't there. You know, it's kind of
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: keeping an eye on things. So on Thursday November twenty first,
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: nineteen sixty three, according to the FBI report, Jack Ruby
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: arrived at the Carousel Club around three pm on Thursday afternoon.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: As was his custom. He remained long enough to chat
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: with a friend and received messages from Larry Crayford, who
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: had taken some phone messages for him. Larry was a
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: handyman and helper who lived in the Carousel broom closet.
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: Ruby's evening activities on Thursday November twenty first, we're a
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: combination of business and pleasure. At approximately seven thirty pm,
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: he drove Crayford over to the Vegas Club, which Crayford
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: was overseeing for his sister, Eva Grant. Ruby returned to
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: the Carousel Club and conversed for about an hour with
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: Lawrence Myers on the phone between nine forty five and
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: ten forty five. Then Ruby went and had dinner with
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: Ralph Paul, his friend and financial backer, at Campez's restaurant.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: And I know why I made the Freudian slip earlier.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: It was because I think Eddie Meyer's son is named Ralph,
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: and I saw Ralph Ralph ate dinner with them as
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: well at the comband Ralph Paul, but Ralph Mike.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah and Rob an our phone conversation between guys, right, Yeah,
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: it is raises an eyebrow to it.
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: For sure. So while dining there at Camps's, Ruby spoke
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: briefly with a Dallas Morning News employee named Don Campbell,
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: who suggested that they go to the Castaway Club together,
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: but Ruby declined because he's a very busy man. He
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: doesn't have time for this shit. Okay. After that, Ruby
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: returned to the Caroussel Club, where he acted as the
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: m see for his show and peacefully ejected an unruly
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: patron get the hell out of here at about midnight.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: Just around midnight, Ruby joined his buddy Lawrence Myers at
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: the Bonne Vivonte, the Good Life Room at the Dallas Cabana,
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: where they met myers brother and sister in law and son.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: Neither Ralph Paul nor Lawrence Myers recalled that Ruby mentioned
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: the President's trip to Dallas at all in their conversations
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: with him the night before the assassination. Leaving Myers at
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: the Cabana after a brief visit, I can only stay
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: a minute just to have a drink, just to drink
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: from a very busy man. It's great to see you.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: Great to see you. Come by the club anytime. You're welcome.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: Here's a cad it's got your name. Uh, get you
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: in for free. So after leaving the Cabana, Ruby returned
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: to the Carousel Club to close it down and obtain
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: the night's receipts. He then went over to the Vegas
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: Club and helped Larry close for the night, and somewhere
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: around two thirty in the morning, Jack Ruby took Larry
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: Crayford to the LUCASB and B Restaurant early in the
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: morning on Friday, November twenty second to have a very
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: early breakfast or a very late dinner whatever, you want
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: to call it, and you are eating in a restaurant
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: at two thirty in the morning. Okay. This is a
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: very famous encounter because the Mary Lawrence, the waitress that
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: the Lucasbnb restaurant, claimed that she saw Jack Ruby and
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: Lee Harvey Oswald together, but again, as per the usual
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: mistaken identity here, Larry Crayford, not Lee Oswald. Okay. She
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: even told the cops, well, if the man I saw
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: had a scar on the top of his lip, it
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: was Lee Harvey Oswald. But we all know it was
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: Larry Crayford that had the scar on his lip. So
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: let's see. Yeah, Ruby dinnery at Steak at the Egyptian
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: Lounge was seen by Joe Campeasey from ten to eleven.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: I'm just making sure they miss anything here, so let's
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: get into a little bit of out Jim Brayden.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well we rob the before you go on the
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: Lucas B and B rustaurant, and I didn't have I
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: didn't have a ton of time to look into this.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: I know you gave me the name, but I'm just
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: I did a quick search and the head waitress there
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: was Mary Lawrence.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I said Mary Lawrence.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: Related to I'm sorry, related to who uh oh Lawrence Myers.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Lawrence Lawrence. Okay, I'm sorry.
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: I'm an endiot. Joe, Sorry, sorry, a little more sleep, sir.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: Hey, I'm trying to put connections together, bro.
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: But maybe she was Jack Lawrence's sister, excused assassin of
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: the president. Just throwing it out there and Joe's head.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: Do you hear who's the Jack Lawrence? I gotta follow
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: up with it. Do you know who Jack Lawrence is? Joe?
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a uh skufuza from the Was it the
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: car place?
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: What car plays?
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Was it one of the dealerships? Or is this some
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: guy in New Orleans? It was one of the two.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: Are you eating oreos again? Mm hmm silently mm hmm.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: I respect that.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: I was hoping you'd have a long answer who Jack
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: Lawrence is so I could shoot my oria in peace.
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: But you don't.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: Why don't you tell everyone?
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: Hmm? How about to go listen to the episode? A
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: number of kidding?
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, he was the guy. No, I said the
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: car thing.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: He was the guy who like mercury.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I had the car thing?
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: Who Lee Harvey Al'swald allegedly asked to test drive a car.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: Not him. Different guy. Jack Lawrence is the guy that
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: came into it late for work the morning of the
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: twenty second. In the afternoon, pale as a ghost, white
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: is a sheet, proceeded to puke in the in the bathroom,
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: claiming he was sick covered in mud. He left his
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: his demonstrator behind the grassy no offense, because traffic was
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: so bad. He decided to leave it there and walk
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: the rest of the way. But I digress. So maybe
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: it was Maybe Mary Lawrence is Jack Lawrence's long lost
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: sister's That's what I was getting at.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I had the first and last names confused. Lawrence, Martin, Morales, Monkey, David.
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: Who else? Okay, let's see here. So the warrant reporter
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: refers to Ruby's time at the Cabana as a quote
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: brief visit. According to Seth Cancer in the book The
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: Ruby Cover Up in nineteen seventy eight, he reported Ruby
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: spent only a short time in the bond Vivante room
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: with Myers, and his movements for the next two hours
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: are unknown, but at two thirty Ruby telephoned an employee, Crayford,
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: at his own club and said he was still at
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: the Cabana. Seth Canter wrote. Ralph Paul said Ruby could
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: be very secretive about his comings and goings, if you
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. Ruby didn't want his club employees
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: to know when he slipped out of town or whose
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: Betty slipped in and out of in order to keep
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: them from stealing his profits. Paul said he could show
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: up at any time, Joe, that's why he's going back
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: and forth between everywhere in the carousel. Everywhere in the carousel,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: everywhere in the caunsel, running here, running there. He can
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: show up any time. Don't take my money, checking the receipts.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: But that's interesting. Ruby did slip in and out of
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: Cuba on at least three occasions, keeping two of the
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: trips secret even from his friends. He was secretly in
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: Las Vegas for two days the week before the assassination.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: Ruby kept his appearance as at Parkland and at the
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: Dallas Police station on Friday and Saturday secret. He concealed
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: the relationships he had with a wide range of people,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: such as Tom Davis, the gun runner, and such as
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: a mystery telephone voice he dealt with in the days
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: leading up to the shooting. Ruby was getting a series
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: of phone calls at the carousel from an unidentified man
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: who would never leave a message. When Ruby was out
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: with Larry Crayford and Larry asked Ruby about these strange
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: phone calls, but Ruby told him to mind his own
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: goddamn business. According to Mary Ferrell, there is evidence that
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: Ruby left the Cabana and returned sometime during the two
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: hours of missing time during which Ruby was known to
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: have been at the Cabanas. Jack got angry with the
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: Cabana motel employees for not telling him about a telephone
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: call that had come in for him. He searched the
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: records of the bon Vivante room Booth B twenty six
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: for the name They think Joe that it was Martin
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: or Martin's. The Secret Service checked Jack Martin and Layton
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: Martin's out to see if they were the mysterious man
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: who tried to call Jack Ruby at the Cabana. Well, yeah, wild.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: It always comes back to the Martins, and.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: Of course they They speculate here a bit. While neither
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: New Orleans private investigator Jack S Martin, who first implicated
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: Dave Ferry with Lee Harvey Oswald, nor Ferries associate Layton
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: Martins were ever known to have been to Dallas. The
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: mysterious mister Martin could have been in of the Six
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: Flags manager James H. Martin or singer Dean Martin that matter.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: What it says Dean Martin on them.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a joke.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: Oh it seems it says James H.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: Though. Huh yeah, huh wow. There was also a you're
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: a Guayan gun dealer named John Martin who also entered
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: the answered anti Castro community at this time. And Ruby
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: also knew a guy named Martin Rob Nightclub.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: That was the guy Rob who we explored during our
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: Martin presentation that befriended, befriended Sirita Odio from Uruguay and
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: offered her arms. And this was before the h the
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: audio incident.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: Right, well, I'm getting there, okay. Mister Martin could also
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: conceivably be Johnny Martino aka Jack Martin aka Juan Martin,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: who was in Dallas around that time, but according to
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: his wife, was at home in Florida at the time. Martino, however,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: could have been trying to reach Ruby by phone as
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: a former Santa Traffic Conte Casino employee, and Johnny Rosselli's
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: roommate Martine was a major player in the CIA mafia
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: Plastic Castro, and according to a Catholic Priests to the
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: Social Worker, Martino and a Colonel Philip Castor were stirring
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: up the Dallas anti Castro community. In addition, Martino was
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: associated with Sylvia Odio, who was visited on September twenty fourth,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: nineteen sixty three, one of whom was named Leon Oswald
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: and the next Marine cracked shot who could kill the
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: President if he wanted to. Ruby's search for mister Martin,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: who may also be the carousels mysterious Caller, indicates that
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: he was at left and returned to the caband A
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: Loownes that night, just as Beverly Oliver claims, and that
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: he at least tried to meet or talk by phone
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: with mister Martin, someone who is not known to or
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: investigated by the Warren Commission. It has not recorded what
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: Ruby did after he left Meers table at the Command
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: at twelve thirty, but at two thirty am he met
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: up with enjoying Larry Crayford at the Lucasbnb restaurant next
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: door to the Vegas Club, which Crayford had managed and
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: closed that night. Between three point thirty and four in
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: the morning, Ruby dropped Crayford off with the carousel and
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: return home to his apartment, where his lover, George Senator,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: was already asleep and waiting a bit for him. Uh So,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: there's a little fokery going on here, folks, if you will.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: Uh So, let's get that out of the way first.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't think Martino was ever a roommate
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: of Rocelli. I think they might have gotten that confused
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: with truffic Conte or well, they weren't in keep in
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: Prison together. But I don't know when Martino would have
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: been a rumin of Rocelli.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: But I'm just telling you what the paper says, Joe.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: I have no idea what is real and what is not.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: Interesting that they're kind of combining Martin with Martine though, right.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: Well as as we did. M hm. They're just going about, uh,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: you know, a couple of different ways. Sorry, I'm trying
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: to collect money. Here we go, here we go, trying
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: to get my notes straight here. I got too much
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: chic going on. Okay, now, of course this from the uh,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: don't put too much stock into it file. Okay, we
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: have some words from Robert Tosh Plumbley and James Files. Okay, now,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: the only reason I'm reading this is because they said
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: it uh around seven am. And this is from James
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: Files video Confession of an Assassin. Around seven am the
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: morning of November twenty second, I drove to the Dallas
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: Cabana Motel to pick up Johnny Roselli, who was staying there. Next,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: I drove Roselli to a pancake house just off a
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: major highway in Fort Worth. Inside the pancake house, Rosselli
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: met with Jack Ruby, who gave me five y nine envelope.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: Among other things in the envelope was quote a map
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: in there of the exact motorcade route that it would
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: take through Daly Plaza. Johnny Roselli said, well, they only
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: made one change. That was when Roselli informed me that
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: they were coming off Main Street on to elm Or
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: on to Houston. There they made the zig zag, a
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: little turn that they should never have made.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: That's what when did Files say this?
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: Nineteen and ninety six, And of.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: Course what sticks out to me immediately as the Lawrence
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: Howard allegations of receiving maps from g ray Gil seems
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: suspiciously similar to that.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, of course thirty years later plus yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: I know, Joe. That's why that's why I read it,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: because he's putting Roselli staying at the Pancake, I'm sorry,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: staying at the Cabana motel. And according to Tash Plumbley,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: he's the one that flew Johnny Rosselli to Dallas, so
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: maybe Plumbly. I don't know if he's ever stated that
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: they were staying at the Cabana as part of the
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: aboard team, if you will, I don't know, But again,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: do with that what she will sticking in the horseshit file.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: I don't think Razilli was staying at the Cabana, but
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: it's interesting. It's funny you mentioned that the Thomas Beckham
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: Lawrence Howard thing joke. Because I was thinking, I was like,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: I know, Beckham said that he met Lawrence Howard at
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: at at a hotel in Dallas, right, So I'm like,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: was it? Was it the Cabana? So I went back
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: a little bit and I looked in his HSCA testimony
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: and lo.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: And behold Howard's HSK this morning.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: No, Beckham's okay, Howard, Lawrence Howard was allegedly staying here
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: at the Executive End, another fancy ass motor hotel with
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: a theater okay and a lighted uh fountain in the front. Okay.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: So like if you were there that night at the
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: Black Garter Club and the Executive Inn sounds a little swinky.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: You can see Don the Don Jacobe Orchestra with Linda
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: Lauren as vocalist. So very interesting. They got a coffee
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: shop in there.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: Hmm.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: It's like a Mexican restaurant, something del Sol. So uh.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: You know, these places were not not necessarily a dime
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: a dozen back then, but very similar, very similar. I
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: believe this one was on Mockingbird Lane in Dallas.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's a that's a great name, by the way.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: Uh but yeah, it's I feel like right, motel was
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: the motor in like that's what they should call it
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: back in the day. But these places, like the Cabana
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: was not what you would think a motel is today.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: Only today motels are like shitty things that you can
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: drive right up to, like the door right not where
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: you park in a parking lot and you have to
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: walk in and go up the elevator to your fancy room.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: You know, normally motels are like one level, maybe two
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: levels if they're you know, if they have something like
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: around the pool or something. But yeah, generally they're a
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: little more run down and less fancy than a hotel. Yeah.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: Now when we're talking about Joe, we were talking about
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: David Ferry allegedly calling jene Ace's number. Right I go,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: The number was w H four dash and four nine
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: seven zero. Now we kind of established and that Garrison
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: was probably trying to reach here a little bit, uh,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: because he couldn't narrow down who exactly made the call.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: It just he just knew it came from Gray Gill's office.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: It could have been anybody making a call, not just
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: David Ferry. You know, there were there were clients using
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: the phone, there were secretaries using the phone, there was
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: Gil was using the phone.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: It was the same it was the same floor. They
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: were able to narrow it down.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: To yes, and Gil used to get pissed if David
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: Ferry made long distance calls without you know first. So
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: then the thing is Jack Ruby of course had for
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: some reason this whore's number as well that he had called.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: But it was explained away like this, Joe, that it
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: was at certain times when Lawrence Myers visited Jack Ruby
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: at the Carousel Club and he called Jane from there
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: for whatever reason. Allegedly the problem is, we don't know
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: if they were actually calling Jane right because this number,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: if you called it, it would ring up at the
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: main desk of an apartment building at twenty East Delaware
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: Street in Chicago. Now, Jean As lived in room number
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: fourteen oh five in nineteen sixty three, and there were
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: only about Joe one hundred and forty six apartments in
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: the building in nineteen sixty three. So, uh, if you
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: called the number, you would basically be on the phone
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: with the hotel or the building operator and they would say,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: what what apartment would you like? And you say fourteen
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: oh five please, and then they would ring the apartment,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: you know, put you through to that specific apartment. So
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: having this number is nothing sinister. It'd be nice if
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: they had a list of everybody that was living in
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: this apartment building, because maybe there were some more sinister
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: people in there than this dumb broad gene A's as
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: gene as they call me that.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: So this what was it dumb? But accommodating broad mm hm.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: So you know it's kind of hard to I mean,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: this connection between Fairy and Jane and Ruby is a
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: big stretch. You know, you have at least one hundred
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: and fifty people living in this apartment building. So and
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: there is no clear connection between Jack Ruby and David Ferry,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: you know, other than g D. Baker says, so, right,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: which doesn't hold too much water, right, So as gene
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: As didn't meet Jack Ruby until November twenty first, nineteen
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: sixty three, in person anyway. In fact, gene As maintains
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: that she didn't even know Lawrence Myers on September twenty
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: four to sixty three, the day the infamous phone call
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: was made. She says that she and Myers met only
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: a few weeks before the assassination through Delaware Towers Building owner.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: This is the apartment building where she was living. Less Barker.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: Hm.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: So unless everybody here is lying and no one, no
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: one is ever located even a single witness descrap of
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: evidence to prove gene As cannot reasonably be called a
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: link between Fairy and Meyer, as much less Fairy and Ruby.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's not it's not definitive, but it is interesting.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: It is interesting. Like I said, I would like I
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: would love to know who else was living in the building, right,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: you know, being Chicago, there could have been like actual
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: mobsters living in the building, you know, mm hmm, if
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: something with some substance. Yeah, it's true, you know for sure.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: Rob Can you cover for me and uh do some
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: comments for like thirty seconds and I'll be right back
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: and I'll go into the rest of my ship.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna go into Brighton, so you can do
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: what you do, all right. We were okay, I have
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: a great night, all right. So Jim Braiden checked into
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: the Gabana Motel in Dallas on November twenty first, nineteen
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: sixty three. Braiden and his associates had an appointment with
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: oil millionaire H. L. Hunt the next day on November
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: twenty second, but Braiden would miss them, would miss the
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: meeting because there was a small thing that happened in
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: Dallas that day called the assassination of jfk Okay and
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: oh yeah, he got arrested. It just kind of threw
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: a little wrench into things as well. So Jim Braiden
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: was in town on oil business, and he was actually
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: on parole in California, and he had to let his
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: probation officer know what he was doing, and they'd let
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: him leave the state to conduct this business. Right, So
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: off he goes. Now after he is arrested, Jim Braiden,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: that is coming out of the Dow Text Building. His
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: statement he gave to the Dallas Police says, quote, I
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: am here on business and was walking down Elm Street
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: trying to get a cab, but there wasn't any. I
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: heard people talking saying, my god, the president's been shot.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: Police cars were passing me down the Triple underpassed, and
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: I was walking up among other people, and this building
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: was surrounded by police officers with guns and we were
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: watching them. I moved up to the building across the
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: street from the building, which was surrounded, and I asked
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: one of the girls there if there was a telephone
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: that I could use. She said, yeah, there's one on
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: the third floor where I work. So I walked through
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: a passage to the elevator where they were getting on
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: and I got off on the third floor of the
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: building with all the other people, and there was a
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: lady using the pay phone and I asked her if
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: I could use it when she hung up, and she
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: said it was out of order, and I tried to
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: use it with no success. I asked her how I
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: can get out of the building, and she said, well,
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: there's an exit right there, and then she said, wait
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: a minute, here's the elevator now. So I got on
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: the elevator and returned to the ground floor and the
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: colored man who ran the elevator said, you're a stranger
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: in this belting son, and I was not supposed to
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: let you up. And he ran outside to an officer
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: and said this to and said to this officer that
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: he had just taken me up and down in the elevator.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: And the officer said for me to identify myself. So
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: I presented him with a credit card carte blanche. I
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: had a card Joe, and he said, well, we have
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: to check out everything, and took me to his superior
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: and said for me to wait and we will check
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: it out. I was then taken to the Sheriff's office
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: and interrogated. Signed by Jim Braiden formed number eighty six
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: a Sheriff's Department of Voluntary statement which noted not under
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: arrest in quotes. Braiden listed his age's forty nine home
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: address in Los Angeles, California, office at two one five
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: South Lo Sienaca Boulevard in Beverly Hills, California, too.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: And Rob, wasn't there something about his address in New
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: Orleans being really close to Ferry's address?
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 5: Uh?
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: No, I already read that it was. His office in
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: New Orleans was right down the hall from Gray Gills's
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: office in the pair Marquette Building. Okay, had you been
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: listening when I was speaking earlier?
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: I was in the bathroom.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: No. I said it like I'm joking.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: I'm joking. I'm repeating it for the hour.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: M h.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: M hmmm, mhm. Okay. Now Braden was a piece of ship.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: He was in trouble because he was accused of whining
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: and dining women, builking him out of money and jewelry,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: and then leaving them in his dust job. Yeah.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: What was that the like mafia boss's daughter or where
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: was that Crayford?
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: That was Crafer? Yeah? Now this this guy, Jim Braden,
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: not a good guy. They said. He was charged with
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: embezzlement for bilking rich widows by marrying them and then
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 3: taking their money and killing him m uh. The newspapers
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: had branded him and his partner the honeymooners, and both
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: were literally run out of Dallas by Sheriff Bill Decker,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 3: whose deputy Lummy Lewis had taken Braiden into country custody
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: coustry custody on Dally Plaza shortly after the assassination. So
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: then they contacted Braden's parole officer and they found out
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: that he was there on supposedly official oil business, and
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: they did have a meeting which included Morgan Brown at
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: hl Hunts Building with Lamar Hunt, which of course did
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: not happen due to all the hullabaloo. After Braiden made
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: a statement in the Dallas authorities released and Braiden went
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: to Houston, checked in with a parole officer there, then
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: went to New Orleans Joe where he shared office space
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: with Oil Gila's Vernon Maine Jr. Right down the hall
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: from g Ray Gil at the Pierre Marquette Building, and
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: Gil served as the attorney for my boss, Carlos Marcelo.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: So of course there's a lot of mafia suppositions that
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: you can make here, but you know, save it, and
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: of course, moving into the Garrison investigation. Garrison wanted this
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: guy badly, trying to extradite him from California to face
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: the music in New Orleans, but never did get him. Hmmm.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: He was looking to string this guy up as he
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: thought he was in on the I thought he was
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: in on the assassination because he wasn't really honest about
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: his name, right, it wasn't Braden, Okay. He had changed
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: his name because he had he had been in a
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: lot of trouble and uh, his real name was Harry
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: Eugene Bradley. Ah, so that's not good. Uh, from cam
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: to New Jersey. He was originally a salesman.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: Not and end Case said this, Actually, he said, Braiden
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: grew up in Camden, New Jersey. What the fuck did
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: he know about oil business?
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: Nothing?
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: He might have known something about hot sauce because Silk
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: City is not far from Camden.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: So this is this is Braden's mugshot, right. This was
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: taken in what's the date, nineteen forty eight, so this
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: would have been fifteen years before the assassination. That's a mugshot, okay,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 3: So he was right a little older. He was born
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: in nineteen fourteen. So he was. He was older at
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: the time. Older dude prayed on half dad grandma's though,
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: so not a good guy. A good guy?
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: Was he a better guy than did for.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: TVD TVD Yeah, to be determined, they're pretty much on
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: par with each other. So apparently there was a early
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: JFK conference being held in nineteen ninety two by the
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: Third Decade Society at the Newberry Library at the Newberry
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: Live in Chicago on June twenty sixth, nineteen ninety two,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: So two blocks away from where this was going down
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: happened to be twenty East Delaware Avenue, where gene As lived.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: On September the twenty fourth, nineteen sixty three, when as
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: telephone records indicator call was received for New Orleans of
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: g Ray Gill. David Ferry worked for Gil on the
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: College Ma Sillar deportation case. For the deportation case at
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: the time, and Gil told New Orleans DA Jim Garrison
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: that he fired Ferry for making so many unauthorized long
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: distance telephone calls on my goddamn phone. As this number
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: was also listed among the records of Warren Commission. Because
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: she was an associate of Jackerbye's friend Lawrence Myers, who
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: traveled from Chicago with her. They met with Ruby at
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: his club and later in the barn of Vivonte, the
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: room at the boy A Motel hotel on the night
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: before the assassination. So the HENCA reports do note that
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: mister a mister Less Barker was her landlord then, and
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: Larry Lawrence Myers admitted to knowing Barker and actually owing
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: him three thousand dollars in regards to a bad stock deal.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, over thirty thousand.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So by the nineties this place had been turned
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: into a hotel named the Talbot. It was a small,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: very exquisite place with a quaint sidewalk cafe. It was
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: converted from an apartment building four or five years prior,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: but the building and business had been in the same
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: family for the past sixty five years. It was now
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: operated by mister Basil Cromlow and it is actually known
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: as twenty East Delaware Place now because you know that
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: sounds a little more fancier than the street or avenue
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: sorry Delaware Place. So Jack Crommelo, Basil's father, who still
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: maintains an office there, was interviewed by a phone. He
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: does not recall gene West or ace As. As for
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: Les Barker, he's dead. You have to dig him up
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: to talk to him, said Cromlo, who also said they
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: have not kept any records from rent receipts, references whatever
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: that could have been used to trace as they're thrown away,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: burn up or something every ten years, he said. So
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: after sending a report on these efforts to Jerry Rose,
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: he told me that Peter Whitney and Canada had recently
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: located gene As. I love Peter Whipney stuff. I called
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: Peter on Sunday, remember First, nineteen ninety two. He said
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: he obtained her address and phone number from the Minneapolis
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: Joe phone directory, which I checked unsuccessfully in nineteen seventy seven.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: Turns out she was living there with a John T. Martin.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: I'm joking, wouldn't that be amazing?
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: That would that would be lovely?
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: Wow? So this JFK researcher, Peter Whitney, tracked down gene
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: As and he called her and talked to her briefly.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: She confirmed that she was indeed the gene As who
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: was in Dallas at the time of the assassination. I
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: told her I was doing some research and asked her
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: if it would be okay for me to write to
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: her and ask her some questions. Because I had her
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: on the phone. I tried to ask her a couple
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: of things, like why she used the alias of gene West,
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: and she said luck. I refused to answer any questions
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: on the phone, but I'll be glad to get a
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: letter from you in right back. Sorry, that was my
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: horror voice of six years smoking camel filtered. According to Whitney,
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: his initial conversation with her, gene As asked him a question.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: She asked me if Larry Myers was still alive. He
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: had a great cock. No, so she must still be
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: a little apprehensive, even after all these years. To speak,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: he would be eighty two if he was still alive,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: and I told her I wasn't sure, but I doubted
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: it with me then. Originally wanted to meet with ace
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: As on his way to the Chicago conference in April
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: ninety three, but decided to visit her on the return trip.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 3: He says. When I arrived in Minneapolis, I gave her
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: a call, got a busy signal, and on the assumption
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: she was home, I took a local bus to her
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: apartment only a ten minute bride and a poor looking neighborhood.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: Her name was listed on the front of the building,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: where when I buzzed, I continued to get a busy signal.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 3: While the phone line was busy, no one answered the door.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 3: I decided shit, I better leave, after noticing a warning
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 3: on the window that all visitors had to be checked
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: by security and the trespassers would be arrested. It turned
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: out that someone in the building on the floor below Jeans,
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: had been murdered earlier in the year, so Whitney called
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: her again after he arrived home. She sounded somewhat disappointed
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: that I hadn't been able to get a hold of her.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: She also told me that she'd hired her lawyer to
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: represent her in regard to future interviews, and she was
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: charging a measley two thousand dollars per interview. Joe a
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: lady's got a charge I later quoted three thousand dollars
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 3: minimum by the lawyer, because of course he had to
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: get his cut. So I wrote to the lawyer and
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: got a proper ply, but was unable to ascertain what
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: kind of pertinent information that she had that was worth
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: three thousand dollars to me. So. In early nineteen ninety three,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: Peter Whitmey wrote a letter to money bags Anthony Summers,
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: in which he mentioned that she would talk for three
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: thousand dollars. Maybe you could go talk to her. You
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: just spent you three thousand, and I'll tell you where
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: she is and so. At the time, Summers was working
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: as a consultant for the PBS Frontline special and whipmy
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: was encouraged that he could arrange for As to be
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: interviewed for the program. Frontline was unwilling, though, to pay
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: the three thousand dollars for an interview, but the program's
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: director requested writer researcher Gus Russo contact As to see
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: if she had two say anything of interest. So, yes, Timothy,
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: you heard that correct. Russo contacted As as lawyer writing
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: on a front Line letterhead, and after furnish him a
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: death certificate for Laurence Myers to assure her that he
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: was now dead, he managed to obtain an interview with her.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 3: According to gus Russo, gene Ass has never heard of
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: David Ferry and was quite perplexed by the nature of
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: the questions. She does not recall any phone call from
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: New Orleans on September twenty fourth, sixty three, although she
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: did say the call may have been for Myers, but again,
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: I don't think these people were understanding that you call
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 3: the building, you get the building, and then you ask
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 3: for an apartment number out of one hundred and forty,
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: so you know. Uh. She also said that her contact
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 3: with Jack Ruby on the night before the assassination was
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: strictly social, So strictly social, of course, and that there
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 3: was no conversation about any plans to kill Kennedy, No, sir,
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: no how, no way, nor did she know of any
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: contact Myers may have had with Ferry or g rag Gill.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 3: None of this interview was used in the front Line
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: November nineteen ninety three documentary, which dealt strictly with the
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: life of Lee Harvey Oswald, but Peter Whitney spoke with
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: Gene as again quote. It is interesting to note that
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: she appeared to become more relaxed about talking on the
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: phone after learning that Myers is dead. I learned from
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: Jane that she did not know that Kennedy was to
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: visit Dallas while she was there, and that she was
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: in the hotel room during the motorcade she does not
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: recall anyone named Joyce McDonald, Ruby's employee who testified that
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 3: she took as a shopping. Amazingly, she's never read any
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: book on the subject and was quite shocked to learn
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: how many books referred to her specifically. She also had
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 3: never read the FBI docu was in the Warren volumes,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: and was insulted at Meer's reference to her as being
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: a dumb but accommodating broad Uh yeah, well you know, yeah,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: what's yeah?
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, And I have Joyce McDonald's FBI testimony from
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 7: early December after.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: So did did she take Gene a shopping? Is that
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 3: what she said? Uh?
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: So?
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: From what I read, they were supposed to go shopping
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: on Saturday or Sunday, but of course that got delayed
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: because of the obvious drama going online weekend. I have
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: it after you're done. I have it a cute up here.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: So good, good, good, all right, So, Joe, I'm gonna
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: kick it back to you, Okay, So we're gonna wrap
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: this sum bitch up in a nice, neat little bow
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: for everybody.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: Sure, And I will be quick about it, or will
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: try to be so, uh gene ass or I'll say
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: aa s S was actually a commissioned exhibit twenty two
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: sixty six.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: I say you say A.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: I say, yeah, Yeah, I don't.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: That's probably wrong as hell. Yeah.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're only a little less wrong than you.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll never go.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: Ur say I'm saying like Danny I say. Stated that
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: on Thursday and every twenty first, she and mister Myers
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: had dinner and then asked if she would care to
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: meet a friend of his who and this is an
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: FBI document I believe twelve to two, then went at
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: the Carousel Club to meet Jack Ruby. On a arriving
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: to the club, Myers introduced her to Ruby, and the
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: three of them sat at a table near the doorway
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: and chatted. She advised they stayed at the Cabana Hotel motel.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: She estimated this to be approximately eleven PM. Shortly thereafter
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: Ruby joined this joined the party at the Cabana Hotel,
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: where he stayed for quote a few minutes end quote,
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: and then departed, saying he had to return to his club.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: During this period, she said, there was no discussion of
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: the presidents, just like you said, they were up assassination.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: She stated that they stayed in Dallas until Monday night,
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: November twenty fifth, and at which time they returned to Chicago,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: and she advised she did not see Ruby again during
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: this stay. She stated her contact with Ruby was limited
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: to this one occasion and she is unable to furnish
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: any information regarding him other than he introduced her as
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: the owner of the Carousel Club. Then you have commissioned
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: document to six', eight which Is Edward MYERS'S fbi, document
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: AND i Believe december, second sixty, three we've already gone
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: over pretty much what was said in, that but Interesting
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: Rob Joyce lee. McDonald so they're interviewing the tripper here
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: Of ruby AND i forgot her name.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: EXACTLY i think it Was Joey, Dale, YEAH i think.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: So AND i think she Was Harry olsen's. Girlfriend oh
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: yeah she. Was, yeah that was. One had like a
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 3: two and a half hour conversation With ruby in the
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 3: vehicle like the night Of february twenty.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: Second, yeah As ruby was freaking out that he had
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: to yeah this he.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 3: Had to, do Bang.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: Joe, yeah de lifing mission that you're not coming back.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: From sometime Around october ten to sixty, Three miss McDonald
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: was employed as a part time basis By Robert craven.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 8: Blah blah, blah and they go into all this stuff
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 8: about a check that was bounced for one hundred, dollars
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 8: which is like a.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: Grand and about the time That ruby cash's, Check miss
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: McDonald Met Miss, lawrence Mister Lawrence myers From chicago at
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: The Carrosco club during one of these one of the
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: one of several evenings that McDonald Saw myers at the.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: Club she had several drinks with him and was told
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: By myers that he had business interests In, Chicago, Minieneapolis,
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: minnie And Las, Vegas, nevada and that headquarters was In.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: Chicago miss McDonald did not know the relationship Between ruby And,
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: myers but felt that they had known each other only.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: Casually and again this is an EARLY fbi. Report one
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: or two days after first Meeting, Myers miss McDonald And
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: myers at The fairgrounds In, dallas and have already heard
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: About craven's bad. Check myers Gave miss McDonald the check
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: signed To Lawrence myers and the amount of two hundred
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: dollars close to about two grand made payable To Jack,
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: ruby drawn on an Unknown chicago Bank chicago bank rob
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: WHICH i think is. Important this check was to Assist
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: craven and McDonald in operating the show the. Fairgrounds blah blah.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: Blah miss McDonald cannot Explain myers's motive in giving her
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: the two hundred dollars, check and indicated That myers had
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: never made any improper advances to, McDonald but she felt
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: he would no doubt make some type of request of
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: her in the. Future so he's not talking about a sexual.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: Quest he's talking about a financial, quest it seems to.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: Me or he's just covering his ass because we Know
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 3: Jack ruby did this kind of thing with his. Dancers
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 3: he would hoore them out on the. Side so, yeah,
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: yeah it's a little questionable here for.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: Sure as they say.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: They were Asked meyers to do. That you, KNOW i
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: want to trip away from the old.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: Ladies, YEAH i, mean variety is a spice of life for, sure, right.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 3: Fand, Buddy i'm a Guy Jack. Ruby.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah so they they have another, interviewer Stripper Adrian Jacob's
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: Maria Maria, holt who kind of talks about some of.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: This it's a little sister Of Chauncey.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: Holt that would be. Funny, yeah but she was staying
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: in The Habana hotel room on a couple of days
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: after the Assassination november twenty, sixth and Uh.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 3: Jack.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: Ruby, oh and she Said Jack ruby And lee Or
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: oswald knew each, other and that they had taken a
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: trip together To mexico last, summer Which i'm not sure.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: About and That ruby had been into The Cabana hotel
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: on the night of The november twenty, second which of
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: course is true with some quote rough boys end. Quote
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: and they.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: Had been boy, yes And myers you got to watch up.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: With, them, Yeah and that they made a general nuisance to.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: Themselves advise no personal knowledge Of ruby And oswald in their.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: Association blah blah.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 3: Blah but it sounds, Believable, joe especially when she calls
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 3: them rough. Boys that means they liked it.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: ROUGH i mean there were a lot of rough boys in.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: Them what was going on at The CABANA a bunch
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: of shady. People AND i have one more thing real,
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: quickly and then hold, On oh wait ship.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 3: Mm.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: Hmmm So i'm going back To Lawrence myers agency a testimony, Here,
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: Rob SORRY i forgot this.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: Part and, uh.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: They're asking About joyce McDonald's because they obviously have THE fbi,
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: report and he's kind of like denying. It, no it
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: doesn't ring a. Bell did you ever have any dealings
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: with The Teamsters? Union no, Way meyer Says Joseph, ello no.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: Way did you ever know of, Him Joe campeaze nod's,
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: head WHICH i guess means, yes because the next question,
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: is how do you know Mister? Campsie he owns The
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: egyptian restaurant In. Dallas when did you meet?
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 3: Him?
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, Lord, well WHEN i first Met, CAMPEZEE i would venture,
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: say was you're speaking about meeting him rather than going
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: to his restaurant and eating.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 3: And.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: There he's, like, yeah. Whatever the first TIME i Met
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: campeze would probably have been six or seven years, ago
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: which is seventy, seven seventy, eight so you're talking nineteen seventy,
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: ish right far away from sixty. THREE i met him,
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: originally blah blah. Blah we have a golf tournament every
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: year and he plays in, it and the first time
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: we met, him blah blah. Blah as a matter of,
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: Fact meyer, SAYS i played With campeze the other day
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: golf right before THE. Hsca he's playing golf With. Campezy
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: do you think they talked about what he was going
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: to say?
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: HERE i would venture to say probably, so, yeah, yeah
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 3: because one in Camp eezy From. Chicago Originally.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure about that to be, sure.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 3: But see my brain somewhere for some, Reason.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: Okay it might be a. CONNECTION i. CAN'T i can't
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: confirm or. Deny but they continue to, ask did you
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: ever eat at The? EGYPTIAN i could, have, you, SEE i.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: Cannot there's no WAY i could tell you. Positively and
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: this is exactly What Lawrence MYERS hca testimony. IS i
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: don't believe he had. Immunity Like Laurence hall, right he
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: was just being very. Broad he did not give shit. Away,
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: okay AND i read the whole thing. Today, well what
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: did you meet him at this? Time blah blah. Blah
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: does it refresh your collection to know that you And
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: Jean west, Right Gene assa went to the carousel and
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: sat down at the table with. You it's, Possible meyer,
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: says do you remember how long that counter? LASTS i don't.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: KNOW i had The vegas. Idea the record indicates it
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: was just about an. HOUR i was just about to
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: say forty five. Minutes, uh just enough to have a.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: Drink question.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 3: What is her?
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: Name so he's asking about the goodmor he brought Right,
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: JEAN i, Say Jane west To. DALLAS i couldn't tell.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: YOU i can't. Remember and of course they have this
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: information before they're asking, him, Right so it's.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 3: Like why is it transcribing what you're saying in real?
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 3: Time right?
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: Now that is a good. QUESTION i, WAS i, WAS
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: i was trying not to have that.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 3: Test is it doing it for me or just?
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: YOU i think it's?
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 3: Me, okay?
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: Weird, yeah hold.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 3: On So.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: Lawrence myers is asked about the goodmar he brought to
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: him With dallas right To, dallas and he's, SAYING i
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: can't even remember her, name and THE hsa is, saying,
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: well her name Was Jane Jean assay, right and he,
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: GOES i can't remember Or Jane? West Question? West that
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: rings a bell of some. Kind so he's completely, like.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 3: You, know playing don't want to dig up that dog
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 3: out of the.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: Yard, yeah, yeah and Especially ruby's step by this, point
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: so like why does he have to admit to? Anything
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: so they're, like what did you And ruby? Do and
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: Miss Jean, West, well we just drank and yak and
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: which maybe some girl strip or. Something this is an
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: agency a transcript, here so he's saying we didn't do.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: Anything we just drank and, yacked WHICH i means like
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: talk to like six barbers and maybe watch some girls
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: strip or. Something did you go that night for any particular. Reason,
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: no just to Take jean if that was her real,
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: name to the. Club if that was her real. NAME i,
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: mean this guy is out of. Control did you know
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: anyone at the club at this. Time. No the record
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: also indicates that around ten pm that, night you And
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: Jean west Saw Jack ruby at The carousel and suggested
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: that he come by The cabana for a. Drink letter
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: that night he. Goes it's highly, possible and this is
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: consistent what he says as a whole. Testimony it's highly.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: Possible MAYBE i don't recall like and if you look
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: at people like McWillie or other, mafioso's it's the same exact.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: Template no specific, answers, right it's.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 3: Just don't know.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: Whatever so long, ago you have indicated previously that you
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: Believe Jack ruby came in about eleven forty five or,
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: midnight and you had seen him at The, carousel at
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: the the banner right very, well could BE u AND
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: i just had some random. Information but just to give
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: a little time on timeline, Here rob one fifty pm
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: was When oswalt was arrested in The Texas theater two
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: ten pm in the homicide. Office the first picture was
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: taken distributed eleven fifty one, pm which is one minute
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: After oswald was. Arrested ruby Called Ralph, paul his business,
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: manager who had a stakes and a few two of
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: his clubs from the carousel to The bullpen for three
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: minutes to one fifty.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 3: Four AND i believe The bullmen was In Fort worth
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 3: and was a homosexual male club That oswald was allegedly
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 3: cited in a time or. Two, yes, ye, yep yeah that. Part.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah so ten minutes after, That Morgan, brown who you
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: had touched, on checked out of The cabano hotel suite
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: he had shared With Jim, braden who was being integrated
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: at the time at The Dallas Sheriff's. Office so While
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: Jim braden was taken from the Dal techs to THE,
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: dpd the person he checked in the hotel room, with
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: much Like Clarie, crayford said f That i'm getting out
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: of here, crazy huh.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 3: Crazy and that's how we. Goes all, Right i'm clearly
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 3: stinging way too much in this. Episode i'm clearly delirious
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 3: from multiple days of five hours And. Arizona So, joe
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 3: to wrap this, up did you did you mention how
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 3: or DID i miss? That?
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: NO i. Didn't there is a. Document let me bring
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: him up here real. Quick there is a document that
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: states that there Was. Hello, Okay so there was AN
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: fbi document In september of sixty one that Says james
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: riddle Hoffa Dallas Cabana INCORPORATED Dba Dallas Cabana Motor, Hotel, Dallas.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: Texas it names a bunch of people that we've kind
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: of touched on The Miller's there's A Martin milterer in,
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: There Doris day who was kind of like a celebrity
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: of the time.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 3: And, yes involved with the Old manson murders In.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: California, yes, yes, Exactly, yeah. Exactly. Yeah so it's the
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: question is would if this company or holding company was
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: owned BY hafa or just say more broadly Than, mafia.
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 3: Right, WELL i wouldn't go that. Far half is his own, Deal.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: Okay But i'm saying, like if you were to do
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: some shady things out a particular hotel or, motel well, right,
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: yeah which you wanted to be controlled by people you
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: have connections.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 3: With Like Jimmy. Hoffer, yes friendly to the, mob, yes right.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: Right friendly to the, cause or you can cover things
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: up on and that's what that's where that kind of
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: goes with for. Me AND i haven't done enough research
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: to really be like confident on, it but you, know
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: you Have Ralph, paul you Have Lawrence. Myers and Although
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: Laurence myers wasn't technically connected with the, mob when you
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: look at all the documents we talked, about it would
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: be hard to imagine the scenario where he wasn't in
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: some way.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 3: Connected you, know he did the Whole Jack ruby maneuver
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 3: of changing his Highly jewish name to something a little
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 3: more or. Americanized if your Name's, hymen, hmm everybody's gonna peg.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: You is?
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: That so shading ship was going, down it would make
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  Speaker 1: sense to kind of put some meetings at this type
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  Speaker 1: of hotel where you have some some type of control
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  Speaker 1: over we could get out, right it makes some.
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  Speaker 3: Sense, hey, Hey Ted rubinstein's in the. Chat what's? Up? Ted?
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  Speaker 3: Oh glad to see you, here. Buddy it's. Awesome favorite
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  Speaker 3: characters front and. Center, Yeah ted loves talking about the.
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  Speaker 3: Mafia but, yeah it's interesting that The Combina hotel is
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  Speaker 3: owned By Jimmy. Hoffa that there was a big giant
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  Speaker 3: wrench into things when you start thinking about implications OF i,
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  Speaker 3: mean what the why is he owning a hotel In?
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  Speaker 3: Dallas did he own more hotels across The United? States
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  Speaker 3: or was just just was this just a? THING i don't,
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  Speaker 3: know but it's, Interesting hella, interesting very interesting because a
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  Speaker 3: lot of these lounge singers of the, time Like Dean,
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  Speaker 3: martin Like Frank, sinatra they they went on these these hotel,
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  Speaker 3: tours you, know these, circuits and they were certainly mafia friendly,
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  Speaker 3: singers if you know What i'm.
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  Speaker 1: Saying oh, yeah like Like jada, right like like everyone
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  Speaker 1: had connections and they would kind of rotate acts right
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  Speaker 1: to keep things, fresh, right that's, UH i think what
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  Speaker 1: was going?
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  Speaker 3: On well that and then you know they just like
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  Speaker 3: today when you have these, acts big music going on,
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  Speaker 3: tour you, know they're either doing small clubs or they're
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  Speaker 3: doing arenas or they're doing. Stadiums you, know so different
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  Speaker 3: just back then there really wasn't that many arenas or, stadiums,
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  Speaker 3: right and this is what they, did you, know because
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  Speaker 3: these hotels had these big rooms to perform.
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  Speaker 1: In.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah it's a very interesting stuff when it comes
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  Speaker 3: to the command and what the hell is actually going on?
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  Speaker 3: There what are all these guys ties to all of this?
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  Speaker 3: Stuff does it mean? Anything we don't.
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  Speaker 1: Know, yeah it doesn't mean. What was it part of an?
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  Speaker 1: related to? That it's very hard to, tell but it's,
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  Speaker 1: definitely uh was a place that the, uh some shady
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: people were.
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  Speaker 3: Staying and who don't half of it might be buried
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  Speaker 1: Know thank you, EVERYONE i know we kind of got
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  Speaker 1: in the weeds a little bits. Night we will see
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  Speaker 1: you next.
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  Speaker 3: Week, yeah without with this, Asistently oh for fifty. Years
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  Speaker 3: you put in here two, hours thank, you thank. You
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  Speaker 3: we're not. Worthy the greatest lies are total of. Truth
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  Speaker 3: the greatest crimes are committed in the name of.
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  Speaker 1: Justice the quotation Is Jim. Garrison's it could be used
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  Speaker 1: for him or against him in this strange.
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  Speaker 3: Case Good, Night how Next wednesday remembers only be. There
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  Speaker 3: kiddy is in he. Jailed i'm not just healthy red eyes. Tonight, Sorry, sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Have a great weekend.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 3: Everyone, yeah it takes me like five minutes to pick her.
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  Speaker 3: Up she's, very very. Squeamish Scormy harry ye bye, guys