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Man United's Next Manager, the Best Game of Football and Forceful Tackles | Outside the Box Ep 4 · Outside the Box with Leon Osman and Tony Bellew

• 0:00
  So what have you been up to this week?
• 0:21
  Oh, which part of me week? Do you want to know about the fact that I was riding a rodeo bull?
• 0:28
  A rodeo bull? Yeah, I had to go one of them, build a night.
• 0:32
  A charity event for friends of ours.
• 0:38
  You can't even remember the event. I can't even remember where it was.
• 0:42
  All of a sudden, see when he's talking. It's the fast show on the guy going, I drank very, very much.
• 0:49
  I did drink probably too much. And I got to dress up like a cowboy.
• 0:54
  Very, very drunk. How long did you last on the bull?
• 0:59
  First go, 24 seconds, and me second go, 60 something, but I think I've pulled me growing.
• 1:06
  I used to do it any exercise these days. Oh my god. Why do you have to stay on them?
• 1:12
  Oh, you've got injured riding a bull.
• 1:15
  I mean, when you say it like that, it does sound strange, but I think I've got tight growing as well.
• 1:22
  I've got to, I've got to try and get through a bit of football on the picture.
• 1:28
  Il Dickinson tomorrow. I'm playing football at the hill.
• 1:31
  I'm not kicked a bull for about 80 months and I'm not played properly for above five or six years.
• 1:38
  Tell me you've got your proper boots.
• 1:40
  Yeah, I was in the loft this morning, getting them out.
• 1:43
  Don't you play normal boots out? You're going to be out of action for the month?
• 1:46
  No, yeah, I've got me to be honest.
• 1:48
  It's hard as cardboard. I don't want to have to soak them tonight to try it.
• 1:53
  When I've tried to play five years ago, about 80 months ago, I just kept pulling my calves after 10 minutes.
• 1:59
  I'm a bit concerned about that tomorrow, especially now I'm growing.
• 2:02
  I've already got down in the middle of the park. Ask, receive the pillow roll and give.
• 2:07
  Yeah, there'll be a lot of walking from me tomorrow.
• 2:10
  Someone's a slot football, walking football.
• 2:13
  There it is. Right in early with that one.
• 2:17
  Did you watch the match over the weekend?
• 2:19
  I didn't actually see it. I was working.
• 2:21
  So we made some furious and the physio this morning is just throwing them down the bank.
• 2:27
  It's a season to get older for the pool, me physio.
• 2:29
  So I'm with the Monday Wednesday for that.
• 2:31
  So listen to his mountain to be honest and I just keep saying to me that I don't want to know.
• 2:34
  I don't want to know it because I don't have a mountain now.
• 2:37
  When you know what I've been through for the last 30, three years, don't don't annoy me.
• 2:44
  So, but he's winging walking football. He's furious.
• 2:47
  He just wants them out and really?
• 2:49
  Yeah, that's what he's saying. Like how flat you fans generally support their manager until.
• 2:54
  Yeah, until they give up. So he actually he said he's been saying this since last season,
• 2:59
  because I said you were in time when he was winning everything last season.
• 3:02
  He's with all screaming. He's the next man. He's the big thing.
• 3:05
  And then where he's claiming that even last season he said the football was quite evidence.
• 3:10
  It was it was lacking then slow football.
• 3:12
  I don't know. I don't watch them enough.
• 3:14
  Well, yesterday was probably a decorative of their old season.
• 3:17
  The was so far off the pace in the first half.
• 3:20
  It was so easy for me. It was a really good game of football for the neutral.
• 3:23
  Manchester United played pretty good in the first half.
• 3:27
  Attacked really well.
• 3:29
  Looked good on the counter. Tatlina Pull was slow.
• 3:32
  Didn't progress the ball. Didn't create chances.
• 3:35
  But then somehow, man, you know, it came out literally.
• 3:38
  Shot themselves in the foot at the start of the second half gave two goals away.
• 3:42
  And the second one, top of giving away. Keeper tried to pass it out.
• 3:45
  Really lost the ball and suddenly Liverpool were two two.
• 3:48
  And you actually thought for about 10 minutes, Liverpool go on and win the game.
• 3:51
  But yet they're not they're not the team of old.
• 3:55
  A Jürgen Klopp team would have ended up with five two.
• 3:59
  They had a took control of that game, even after a disaster to pass off.
• 4:03
  I've gone on and really steam roller, but this Liverpool team at the moment.
• 4:08
  I haven't really got that. They're quite technical rather than anything else.
• 4:12
  And Manchester United got the game back in.
• 4:15
  And one, as I said, it was a good game. Good win and goal.
• 4:18
  I didn't see the win and goal. I've seen the man who finished very good finish.
• 4:21
  It's good for him as well. It's good for season.
• 4:23
  He's at the story behind him.
• 4:25
  It's come back in the team score goal like that.
• 4:27
  Yeah. How was it?
• 4:29
  You know when you're sorry.
• 4:31
  You know someone like him who's kind of exploded onto the scene.
• 4:35
  And he's massive straight away and he's just a young player.
• 4:38
  How hard is it when a manager comes in and just isn't having him?
• 4:42
  I don't know.
• 4:43
  I limped onto the scene.
• 4:44
  Didn't I?
• 4:45
  You played that hundreds of games.
• 4:47
  You've been in amongst players where one minute of manage is having the next minute or not.
• 4:51
  And you've had managers.
• 4:53
  I'm sure over the years where one's having your ones not.
• 4:56
  It's not easy.
• 4:58
  How'd you change it?
• 5:00
  How'd you change it? How'd you swing them?
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  Just by working hard, getting your head down and training and helping that you show it in training.
• 5:07
  Your attitude is good all the time.
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  You do everything that you're asked to.
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  Or sometimes even that's not enough.
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  Sometimes even that is.
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  You go in and speak.
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  You go in and have the conversation and find out where you're on.
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  Sometimes the best thing is the manager turned around and says I don't want you.
• 5:24
  That doesn't string you because then you're not getting strong along.
• 5:26
  You actually know, well, this isn't the club for me.
• 5:29
  But with Kobe who was going to say before I've met his dad and his brother on a social event at Tony,
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  you love it when I meet people.
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  Of course.
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  Of course.
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  Always.
• 5:40
  Nice people.
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  So much enthusiasm for his success.
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  He's done brilliantly to get in the team.
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  He is a really good player.
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  Are you all united through and through?
• 5:51
  Yeah.
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  And he's been patient.
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  And what kind of happens nowadays, which has happened with with Kobe is players can out last
• 6:01
  a manager quite called the way if things don't go well.
• 6:04
  Do the player can just think well, I know.
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  I'll just wait it out.
• 6:08
  Sometimes which is even the worst you could.
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  I'm certainly not suggesting Kobe made it did this, but a player could try and make things as difficult as possible.
• 6:18
  Yeah, not just sitting there in the background and trying to be in the team and trying to be a good character.
• 6:22
  They can actually create problems at home that it actually gets rid of the manager and then.
• 6:26
  We're catches fire with other players you want to infect the squad kind of thing.
• 6:30
  And I've seen that over the years.
• 6:32
  I mean, I wouldn't go as far as saying infect the squad, but I've seen even at our place when a manager's lost players and.
• 6:39
  And certain collection groups navigate towards each other and you see a kind of one or two times spread it to be honest.
• 6:46
  It's not nice to say, but if it's football now, I think play a power is at an all time high.
• 6:52
  And I just think the power needs to be restored to managers if I'm being totally honest.
• 6:57
  Would you give Carrick the job?
• 6:59
  Yeah, I would.
• 7:02
  I think he's done a better job than anyone else could have done coming in.
• 7:05
  I think I would as one because as you said, he understands the club.
• 7:09
  He's done a really good job.
• 7:10
  I don't see a standout candidate that I'm looking and thinking, well, you're going to say what other options are there?
• 7:15
  There's a couple out there, but I think he's I think he's done OK.
• 7:20
  I think the big thing that Manchester United have got to get the head round is they've done this this season with only without any European football.
• 7:30
  Yeah.
• 7:31
  They've set up to play two or three times.
• 7:33
  I don't think they've got a big enough squad to do that at the minute.
• 7:37
  They'd have to invest.
• 7:38
  I think they read because if Spares or Westam go, I think you're going to look at the elite players because I don't care who you are.
• 7:45
  They've got them.
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  Shadowbone is a top level player.
• 7:48
  Van the Ven is a top level player.
• 7:50
  Look, Van the Ven though.
• 7:51
  Yeah.
• 7:52
  He does look.
• 7:53
  It's horrible, but I think Spares will be OK now, though.
• 7:56
  I think that good was all for them.
• 7:59
  Yeah.
• 8:00
  I think the first win that you needed to get.
• 8:02
  They just needed to get one win, didn't they?
• 8:04
  They got it against Wolves.
• 8:05
  You still wanted to see them go laughing.
• 8:06
  Thought it was dead funny.
• 8:07
  I know.
• 8:08
  No, that's not what we were saying.
• 8:10
  I was saying it.
• 8:11
  It's horrible.
• 8:12
  It's the thought of that stadium being in the championship is a horrible thought.
• 8:18
  Yeah.
• 8:19
  But it's not the stadium.
• 8:21
  Did you find the phone?
• 8:22
  I don't know.
• 8:23
  The fact that you talked about the stadium.
• 8:25
  It's the name.
• 8:26
  It's the club.
• 8:27
  It's a match of who they are.
• 8:29
  That would be the difficult thing.
• 8:32
  If you look at this good thing, the players that haven't really played cool is Evsky Madison,
• 8:37
  can't even.
• 8:38
  Of any of these ones haven't even been playing pretty much the majority of the season.
• 8:43
  They've got Simmons is out at the minute.
• 8:45
  They've got such a good squad of players, that actually if they are OK,
• 8:51
  which you'd expect them to be from from this point of think.
• 8:55
  They'll be fine.
• 8:56
  They'll actually be writing it at the top of the table probably now.
• 8:58
  My mates passed a comment to me last night and he said to me,
• 9:01
  you should want them to go.
• 9:03
  He said, regardless of who you mate to, or his spares,
• 9:05
  fans to all of these things, and I said, why should I want them to go?
• 9:06
  He said, because if they survive, he said, they're going to take a place in
• 9:10
  your next season.
• 9:11
  And it's probably, it could be at the cost of your luck.
• 9:13
  He said, and also if they go, your club should be raiding their players and
• 9:18
  taking some of their squad to make yours better.
• 9:20
  And I get what they're saying.
• 9:21
  I'd agree with them.
• 9:22
  And yeah, and not the art and their honorable cup, I'd say it by the way,
• 9:25
  absolutely hard.
• 9:26
  Yeah, Chris Walker, I mean, he's the lead journalist for the zone.
• 9:29
  He's a horrible man.
• 9:31
  I mean, he's woke up at 7 o'clock, well, 6 o'clock this morning.
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  And the first picture he's put on, on me, feed in the group that we have
• 9:39
  called the establishment is a Manchester City flag waving strongly.
• 9:43
  You know, he absolutely despises Arsenal with all of his might.
• 9:47
  And he just wants to see absolute catastrophic things happen to the Premier League.
• 9:50
  He wants to see spares go and he wants to see city beat Arsenal to the league.
• 9:54
  But he does make very valid points when it comes to football.
• 9:57
  He is rarely priced.
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  And he's like a bit of football history, strange boys, to be honest.
• 10:02
  I've given you enough pop now, mate.
• 10:03
  That's enough.
• 10:04
  But I do see the points.
• 10:06
  Did you get paid for that?
• 10:08
  No, I didn't get paid.
• 10:09
  Yeah, I just wanted to give him a rather, he's just, I've grown,
• 10:12
  since he was 10 or 11 years old.
• 10:14
  And yeah, he's just, he's just, he knows so much the way though.
• 10:19
  Don't you think the sun's going to be said about the story, Lanif football,
• 10:22
  where I've been like quite predictable in recent years.
• 10:24
  There's not just create something different for people to talk about.
• 10:27
  The team like spares go down, but it just, it shows it.
• 10:30
  Not less than winning the league.
• 10:31
  If I'm being totally honest, if spares go in my tiny little mind,
• 10:37
  it makes me believe that we can go.
• 10:40
  Because I don't believe ever.
• 10:41
  You can go, no, it does.
• 10:42
  That's what frightens me the most.
• 10:43
  If they go, I know it's, I know it's possible we can go.
• 10:46
  We're in a much better place now.
• 10:48
  We are.
• 10:49
  I was worried for a few years about us.
• 10:51
  But because Villa went to Austin, Villa should have been that club that we had to go.
• 10:56
  Wow.
• 10:57
  You know, big clubs can go to Villa, a big club.
• 10:59
  Yeah, huge.
• 11:00
  Talk about huge club.
• 11:01
  So Villa can go and, and to be honest, Newcastle have been down a couple of times.
• 11:05
  And for both of them, it actually saved them well to go down because they were really struggling.
• 11:09
  They were in tough places.
• 11:10
  It's, it seemed easier for both of them to go down into the championship.
• 11:14
  And it's sort of rebuild and come back up to that.
• 11:17
  It's enforced of another two leads and forest took a lot longer though.
• 11:20
  They were 20 or years plus each, but put big clubs, no one wants that.
• 11:25
  No, but they are big clubs with huge fan bases.
• 11:28
  So he's right.
• 11:29
  But I just think I feel like Spares have been around for so long.
• 11:33
  I know in Villa went, it was a bit of a shock, but Spares, it's like a spares like
• 11:39
  our second team.
• 11:40
  No, I don't have a second team.
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  I eat them all.
• 11:42
  They're all all able.
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  Everyone besides Evans, heartable.
• 11:44
  But at your staff, I have,
• 11:48
  not a fun.
• 11:49
  I just feel sorry for the fans because we would be there and that's the part that it's me.
• 11:55
  The most, I think, oh, I was thinking about the Bournemouth game and that what was the game?
• 12:01
  Where Duke scores the goal?
• 12:04
  That was Bournemouth's Bournemouth's Bournemouth, where he scores that important goal.
• 12:07
  And I just think Spares against those last game of the season.
• 12:11
  It looks like a different game for us now because obviously we have to win.
• 12:15
  We've got ourselves into it into a tougher situation than we would have liked because we were
• 12:21
  looking at the real possibility of your next season and that drawing against Brentford
• 12:27
  losing to Liverpool, losing to West Ham.
• 12:30
  That's a bad run at the wrong time.
• 12:34
  She disgusted by that decision at the West Ham one I was.
• 12:36
  I was furious.
• 12:38
  I mean, there's a player playing basketball in the box and no one's on and up.
• 12:42
  And here's the best part, they don't even give a corner.
• 12:45
  Do you give a goal kick?
• 12:46
  That should have been the main reason that VAR could have got involved in that because the referee
• 12:52
  obviously didn't see it if he'd give a corner.
• 12:54
  It's not like he saw it and sorry if he'd give a goal kick.
• 12:56
  It's not like he saw it and then decided it wasn't enough.
• 13:00
  He clearly didn't see it if a goal kick was given.
• 13:02
  So I think we'd all agree that that's got to be a penalty.
• 13:06
  Should have been a penalty, which also brings me back to that humble yesterday that
• 13:12
  Cess goes good.
• 13:14
  I don't even think he touched it, but I haven't seen all the angles.
• 13:17
  But did he definitely touch it?
• 13:19
  I think now I think as he did touch it with his hand.
• 13:24
  But it just I think it took me probably 10, 10 or 15 times of watching that video
• 13:30
  to from the different angles to finally make me mind.
• 13:33
  They've got long enough.
• 13:34
  But no, they've got the on the on field officials can never see that.
• 13:39
  I know that.
• 13:39
  But I just think in the time that they were given, I think it's inconclusive.
• 13:46
  I think they can't look at it forever.
• 13:48
  They can't just keep on looking at what our ones are cast as we didn't get it.
• 13:51
  Yeah, I agree with that.
• 13:53
  I was a stone wall.
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  You see him playing basketball.
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  I mean, he's balanced and balls on his fingers.
• 13:57
  And that would have made a difference in the game.
• 13:59
  I think we have a bit more momentum at that.
• 14:01
  But I know we did equalize, but we equalize late with them then having to throw the
• 14:05
  kitchen sink kind of to get something and the game may have got a bit differently for
• 14:10
  that one.
• 14:11
  So that was that was disappointing, because even when we would come away with a point
• 14:13
  that might have been that might have been a decent point at the end of the season.
• 14:17
  But now we've just got to try and get something in city, which is is an easy with the way
• 14:22
  they're playing at the moment.
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  But hopefully better.
• 14:24
  Always back.
• 14:25
  Yeah.
• 14:26
  I've done one friend of the past doesn't the minute.
• 14:27
  We are the kind of team that can lose to us down the beat man city.
• 14:31
  Yeah.
• 14:32
  You both go on the game.
• 14:33
  Nice.
• 14:34
  And that was a bit shit in the woods.
• 14:36
  Yes.
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  We, and I'm not working actually.
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  Oh nice.
• 14:40
  Yeah.
• 14:41
  I'm not working.
• 14:42
  Okay.
• 14:43
  He doke.
• 14:44
  Yeah.
• 14:45
  Hopefully we meet nop after the game and have a little bit of a party.
• 14:47
  Hopefully.
• 14:48
  I think it's celebrating.
• 14:49
  So I'm not going to have a drink though.
• 14:50
  Why is that?
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  Got me big game.
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  Elle Dickinson tomorrow.
• 14:53
  I'll get it.
• 14:54
  I'll get you a 10 minutes.
• 14:55
  I'll get it.
• 14:56
  I'll get it.
• 14:57
  You know, get it.
• 14:58
  I'll get it.
• 14:59
  I'll get it.
• 15:00
  I'll get it.
• 15:02
  He can come and buy me eyes on it.
• 15:04
  So so the other bit of a theme of being the world's worst fortune teller.
• 15:07
  What you think the score is going to be tonight.
• 15:10
  And then we'll just go with exactly the opposite of what you said.
• 15:11
  Yeah.
• 15:12
  I mean, that's the best way to do to be fair.
• 15:14
  Yeah.
• 15:15
  I'm over two, one of it.
• 15:19
  I don't know why and I've got a mug, a shock to the title.
• 15:22
  Yeah.
• 15:23
  No idea why I just think.
• 15:24
  I think I'm not going to score first.
• 15:26
  I think city equaliser and then I think it'll be just.
• 15:29
  I think we're going to really try to disrupt their rhythm and play tonight.
• 15:33
  I don't think we're going to want to play football against one.
• 15:34
  No one can't play football against them, let's be honest.
• 15:37
  But I just think I think we are snatching any goal and then it's going to be a bit of a fight.
• 15:42
  And I'm not sure they're up for the fight.
• 15:45
  Oz?
• 15:46
  Um, one, one.
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  I'm going to go for, and I think that'll be a good point for us.
• 15:51
  Have a year, I think.
• 15:52
  Uh, what does that do to the title ace?
• 15:56
  Puts it back in Arsenal's hands.
• 15:59
  But they're in Europe, I think that's got such a big part of life.
• 16:02
  Maybe, but it puts it back in in Arsenal's hands.
• 16:05
  But again, I think Arsenal will probably draw a game between now and the under the season.
• 16:09
  I think I've said this, this previous, I think there will be points to be,
• 16:14
  to be dropped along the way.
• 16:15
  Maybe this is the biggest hurdle for Man City,
• 16:19
  where you're our place under the lights, which traditionally we've been,
• 16:23
  we've been pretty good, but could feel about ourselves.
• 16:26
  We are organised, we know what we're doing.
• 16:28
  Defensively, we'll be able to play deep and play in the counterattack.
• 16:32
  So hopefully it suits us, and I probably think the first goal has to be ours.
• 16:38
  Is there a Champions League second one on Wednesday?
• 16:40
  Yeah, I've asked about two days.
• 16:43
  Is that a way or two?
• 16:45
  It's a home now, isn't it?
• 16:47
  Who's Arsenal's?
• 16:47
  Yeah, Arsenal.
• 16:48
  No, no, I'm talking about cities.
• 16:50
  Oh, cities, yeah, I've got a city, I've got a city, I've got two Arsenal's.
• 16:53
  Yeah, yeah.
• 16:53
  Okay.
• 16:54
  Do you think I was going to ask you about this?
• 16:56
  Do you think if a team does well in a cup run and then they're still in a title race or a relegation battle?
• 17:00
  Does it distract them or does it actually spare them on?
• 17:04
  I think had Arsenal won the Carabell Cup Final,
• 17:08
  regained to Manchester City, I think they would have spared them on massively.
• 17:12
  I think they would have just rode the waves, you know, the crest of the waves, and
• 17:17
  and actually probably been in a better position for the title.
• 17:20
  I don't think they'd had dropped points.
• 17:21
  I think they'd have been looking at each competition,
• 17:24
  thinking we can win it all.
• 17:25
  I just think in the back of their mind now,
• 17:28
  although I was, I think I disagreed with Tony a bit about the European competition in the last
• 17:32
  pod, saying he was saying it was a distraction.
• 17:35
  I was saying it was a good thing because
• 17:37
  leading up into that city game, because it just took their focus for three days on another big
• 17:42
  game, rather than all the talk being about city.
• 17:46
  And I think that again, I think they need those games every every three or four days,
• 17:50
  I think, because it stops them having a whole week of thinking about what the potential is,
• 17:55
  and what could probably go wrong at the minute, because, as I said, they've two other things.
• 18:00
  They had four things, potentially, in their grasp, and two of them have slipped out,
• 18:05
  and they might, it's not easy, especially if they're, even if they beat Atlético,
• 18:11
  they've still probably got, well, one of the best teams in the world at the moment,
• 18:16
  and the other two in the final, which are better still alive as we record this,
• 18:21
  but your teams won one goal ahead, PSG.
• 18:25
  Yes, we're going to come up against one of those two, and it's just think our null
• 18:29
  could potentially come away with nothing.
• 18:31
  And actually, the worst thing could be that city could end up with a trouble,
• 18:34
  and ask them to be in in the position or season could win.
• 18:38
  And I just think, then that'll be in the back of the mind.
• 18:40
  I think the game every few days is good for them.
• 18:43
  Water game, Buying and PSG was, by the way.
• 18:45
  Unreal.
• 18:46
  Obviously, the game that goes along too.
• 18:48
  And again, this is, I think we're recording this before,
• 18:51
  before that game, and before, so when the puck comes out,
• 18:54
  that game will have been played, won it?
• 18:55
  Yeah, it will.
• 18:56
  Which might look, make those looks stupid one way or the other,
• 19:00
  but that first game was one of the best, that I've witnessed.
• 19:04
  And to hear Vincent Company's interview after the game,
• 19:08
  to say, when they were questioned in his team's defending,
• 19:12
  and he said something similar to,
• 19:15
  well, their attack is outstanding.
• 19:16
  Our attack is outstanding.
• 19:19
  We'd have to commit fully to defending,
• 19:21
  and we're not going to do that.
• 19:22
  So we'll just commit fully to attacking.
• 19:24
  And he said, we're going to defend more.
• 19:25
  No, it's going to be even more.
• 19:27
  We're going to do even more in the home,
• 19:28
  like, I think I will be watching that.
• 19:30
  Wow.
• 19:31
  It's football, isn't it?
• 19:33
  I don't want to sound a bit nostalgic,
• 19:35
  another old managed book.
• 19:37
  It's how it used to be.
• 19:38
  Team's just going for it.
• 19:40
  It's a basketball game.
• 19:41
  We love to do you.
• 19:42
  But we're going to score you Kevin Keegan days,
• 19:44
  Newcastle 4-3s, 5-4s.
• 19:47
  You just, you just, it's all all to attack.
• 19:48
  That's it.
• 19:49
  Yeah, it was just along the lines of,
• 19:52
  we're going to, for instance,
• 19:54
  buy and push both of our full backs up to join the attack.
• 19:58
  And the, the brave thing is from both teams,
• 20:00
  they both left people, players up.
• 20:02
  So PSG left two players up and didn't need them to defend
• 20:05
  against Bayern's best defense.
• 20:07
  So that meant they were 2v2 in the counterattack and the same.
• 20:10
  Both ways they were happy to just,
• 20:12
  it used to be like that eights ago,
• 20:13
  because people used to, what we used to call,
• 20:14
  cheat, goal hang, stay up there.
• 20:16
  And hopefully we'll kick the ball to,
• 20:17
  and you can, you know, you can make something work.
• 20:19
  But football's got so much into,
• 20:21
  everybody's got to get back behind the ball.
• 20:23
  Everybody's got to contribute to defending.
• 20:26
  But if you've got some of the best players,
• 20:27
  and you can let them, you know, goal hang.
• 20:29
  It's hang on the halfway line.
• 20:31
  And then if the opposition leave you 3v2,
• 20:33
  what?
• 20:34
  Right hand off and it makes,
• 20:35
  makes for a brilliant game of football though.
• 20:37
  Good opinion.
• 20:38
  It could have been eight all.
• 20:40
  It was that kind of game.
• 20:41
  It was, it was brilliant.
• 20:42
  The pace out of them wingers, either side,
• 20:44
  either team is frightening.
• 20:45
  The way they get at them, each other,
• 20:47
  it's just, it's just off the scale.
• 20:49
  Really really is.
• 20:51
  And then I wouldn't mind,
• 20:52
  the defenders are actually very good players as well.
• 20:55
  Mm-hmm.
• 20:55
  You know, open mechanics are quality.
• 20:57
  Defender and player.
• 20:58
  They're all defenders that are trusted to defend 1v1,
• 21:02
  which means that that's where their team
• 21:05
  get the benefit of going up the other end of the pitch.
• 21:08
  Not everyone in the Premier League will allow their center
• 21:10
  half to defend 1v1.
• 21:11
  They always want extra member.
• 21:12
  But if you trust your defenders enough,
• 21:14
  you get an advantage of the top end.
• 21:16
  The problem is you trust your defenders
• 21:18
  against the best.
• 21:20
  And you're not giving them any help.
• 21:22
  Makes for a great game.
• 21:23
  Oh, I think, I think the other thing is,
• 21:25
  you're happy with a 1v1.
• 21:26
  But when the midfield is starting,
• 21:28
  and you're getting 2v1s all the time,
• 21:30
  and it's the knock on the run,
• 21:31
  and he can't cover two.
• 21:32
  And the midfield is running into to create that space.
• 21:36
  As I said, it's a feel for ball now.
• 21:39
  It's just a big game of let's create a situation
• 21:41
  where there's 2v1 or 3v1.
• 21:42
  It's a quite, that's what they're doing all the time.
• 21:44
  Every team looks to do it.
• 21:46
  Spread the ball wide, create a 2v1, one side.
• 21:48
  Yeah, and it's a little bit predictable.
• 21:50
  Where is that game?
• 21:52
  Did we just add each other?
• 21:53
  There was no like real set ways of playing.
• 21:55
  It was just we're going to attack.
• 21:56
  We're going to go for it.
• 21:57
  And it was the same.
• 21:59
  So I know what I'm doing tonight.
• 22:00
  And I'm doing shooting tonight.
• 22:01
  I'll be watching the chess match.
• 22:05
  Yeah.
• 22:06
  And then on Wednesday, I think this way around,
• 22:08
  isn't it?
• 22:09
  I won't be missing that game.
• 22:11
  So it's quite a good week, quite a good week of football
• 22:13
  for us before, before this week's through.
• 22:15
  You stay in the Bayern Munich for the win?
• 22:17
  Yes.
• 22:20
  Yeah, I know, I think I'd have took,
• 22:21
  Bayern, I mean, I did take them in the bat.
• 22:24
  I think I'd have been okay if we'd have said
• 22:26
  there'll be one goal behind going into their home.
• 22:28
  Like when it was, is it 5-2 at one point?
• 22:32
  I was, I was thinking of this
• 22:34
  as they get out.
• 22:35
  I'm going to go in and he's going to be,
• 22:37
  he's going to be on him.
• 22:38
  He faces and he puts on much.
• 22:39
  Still look like I'm doing it.
• 22:42
  How many punches have I had?
• 22:43
  You've took PSG.
• 22:45
  Yeah.
• 22:45
  And well, I know now, but that's about all about it.
• 22:48
  So thank you very much.
• 22:49
  But you know, the thing you're missing is PSG
• 22:53
  have been so much better away from home.
• 22:55
  Going to Amfield, they turn it on.
• 22:57
  Just going to different, they have no fear whatsoever.
• 23:01
  And I think that might stand.
• 23:02
  And you'll start on the other counter attack.
• 23:04
  Ah, but again, it's not just going to be a game of that.
• 23:07
  No, they're going to just go out the leather each other.
• 23:11
  Do you think PSG will do that still?
• 23:13
  Being one goal up and then going away from home.
• 23:15
  Yeah, again, just like what Vincent Company said,
• 23:18
  I don't think they really know any other way to play.
• 23:22
  I think they, well, no, I think they are set up
• 23:25
  that they can play any way they want.
• 23:28
  So as happened at the start of the game,
• 23:30
  they went toe to toe, then then they went a goal,
• 23:33
  a goal ahead just before half time with that
• 23:36
  handball that would never be given in the Premier League.
• 23:39
  And then from that moment,
• 23:41
  they just allowed the counter attack to happen
• 23:43
  because they can play that way.
• 23:44
  So when I think they started this game,
• 23:46
  that's how they'll sort of set up to play.
• 23:48
  But it'll potentially change.
• 23:51
  So quickly, the moment buy and get a goal,
• 23:53
  or if buy and get the first goal,
• 23:56
  PSG continue just to play in the counter attack,
• 23:58
  they'll have to be a bit of a bit of balance.
• 24:00
  But as I say, both of them teams can play any style of football
• 24:03
  they want and be successful at it.
• 24:05
  And they've got the best players in the world to do it.
• 24:09
  Is it an easy thing to say that PSG
• 24:12
  being of one of them gets the final that they go on to win?
• 24:16
  Everybody is sort of hinted towards that,
• 24:19
  but I've seen down the years
• 24:21
  and many cup competitions that happen.
• 24:23
  Not just in football, in other sports as well,
• 24:26
  where you think the outstanding team
• 24:27
  that has had the toughest route to get to the final,
• 24:31
  and they've had to beat all of the best teams to get there
• 24:34
  that either don't turn up in the final,
• 24:36
  or defenders are on top,
• 24:38
  then defenders managed to nullify the opposition.
• 24:41
  That's why it appeals to so many.
• 24:44
  That's why so many wanted to.
• 24:46
  It's never done deal.
• 24:48
  Normally, it is.
• 24:49
  And I just, if Arsenal get the day off,
• 24:52
  fight with it, and if that let's go,
• 24:53
  get the day off.
• 24:54
  The Dalghats of a ball.
• 24:56
  As you just said about different styles as well.
• 24:58
  Did you see the Pep Guardiola went to watch Stockport
• 25:00
  on that night that...
• 25:02
  Oh, yes, all that shit.
• 25:03
  On the night the PSG played by it.
• 25:05
  Did he really?
• 25:05
  He went to watch Stockport.
• 25:07
  I can't remember who they were playing,
• 25:09
  but what you're going to Stockport game?
• 25:11
  Everyone was like,
• 25:13
  you didn't watch that big game.
• 25:15
  I didn't watch a big game.
• 25:16
  He was like,
• 25:17
  there's so many different styles of football.
• 25:18
  It's all enjoyable.
• 25:19
  It's all good.
• 25:20
  That doesn't, just that style doesn't make it better.
• 25:22
  I don't care.
• 25:23
  He regressed that move.
• 25:24
  He was that style castigable.
• 25:26
  Yeah.
• 25:27
  He was the style castigable.
• 25:28
  Yeah.
• 25:29
  I think I picked the wrong game here, Lads.
• 25:33
  Do you think,
• 25:35
  Arsenal, if they were,
• 25:38
  if they go on and when the Champions League,
• 25:42
  would they be happy with that?
• 25:43
  If they don't go and win the Premier League?
• 25:45
  I think an Arsenal fan, but probably tell you...
• 25:49
  I'm speaking for us,
• 25:50
  Arsenal fans, sorry, all Arsenal fans.
• 25:52
  I'll say, I'll say...
• 25:53
  I think Arsenal will prefer to win the Premier League.
• 25:56
  They will prefer to win the Premier League.
• 25:59
  You think so over the European Cup?
• 26:00
  Yeah.
• 26:01
  This year they want the Premier League.
• 26:02
  Never won a European Cup after?
• 26:04
  No.
• 26:04
  But I still think having been in the position all year
• 26:08
  and how we feel about the league and the Premier League,
• 26:12
  I think they'd prefer that this year
• 26:14
  and have another round of Champions League next year.
• 26:17
  But I think it's also a great thing
• 26:19
  if they come away with one of them
• 26:21
  because then if they are still making progression, they are...
• 26:24
  I think they have to come away with one.
• 26:26
  They have no choice.
• 26:26
  They have to come away with one of them.
• 26:28
  They might not, though.
• 26:29
  They have to come away with one because if they...
• 26:31
  They'll do, too.
• 26:32
  If they don't, the season's deemed
• 26:34
  and I don't care how you want them.
• 26:36
  People are going on and I say it the same.
• 26:38
  Every year there's an improvement.
• 26:39
  And no matter what happens this year's an improvement.
• 26:41
  I'll last year for Michael Altata,
• 26:42
  but if he doesn't win some of this season,
• 26:45
  a Christmas, he was in a prime position.
• 26:47
  And I know leagues aren't one of Christmas,
• 26:49
  but they certainly are lost by Christmas
• 26:51
  and he was in a prime position to crack on.
• 26:54
  This will be a massive, massive loss
• 26:59
  if he's not going away with the trophy.
• 27:01
  He's been in a final.
• 27:03
  He's walking away with the lead.
• 27:04
  Was he eight nine points clear at one stage?
• 27:06
  He's nine points coming hand along with that, but yeah.
• 27:09
  Nine points clear at one stage.
• 27:10
  And then he's flying in the Champions League.
• 27:13
  I mean, you're on the front of all four trophies.
• 27:17
  They're still flying in the Champions League, you'd say?
• 27:19
  I don't know, that was a bit of a dodgy 1-0 over two legs.
• 27:26
  Against Sport and Mose.
• 27:28
  I mean, come on.
• 27:29
  I'm in the win.
• 27:30
  I get it, I'll split over two legs,
• 27:31
  1-0 over Sport and Lisbon.
• 27:33
  Come on.
• 27:34
  I mean, you're a hard critic.
• 27:36
  I know me, but it's Arsenal and they've got such a fantastic team
• 27:40
  to be beaten Sport and Lisbon
• 27:42
  with probably a tenth of the budget,
• 27:46
  with a tenth of the quality of the player they've got.
• 27:50
  At why?
• 27:51
  Why are you going to be in Sport and 1-0 over two legs?
• 27:56
  I think that was with the city game in there.
• 27:59
  That was with the loss in the league as well.
• 28:02
  So I still think that was a really good reaction
• 28:07
  and a really good, well, it was a good result
• 28:09
  because they got themselves through.
• 28:11
  I just think they've got so much quality
• 28:13
  and I don't think they're exposing it all.
• 28:14
  Look at Villa Forrest at the minute.
• 28:18
  They've just played their first champions, excuse me,
• 28:20
  Europa League semi-final.
• 28:22
  Forrest won 1-0.
• 28:23
  They go back to Villa Park.
• 28:25
  If it stays nil nil, Forrest will be through
• 28:27
  with a 1-0 win over two legs.
• 28:28
  They'll be absolutely delighted.
• 28:29
  Of course, they get it, but Forrest and Arsenal.
• 28:33
  Forrest haven't spent a billion quid.
• 28:35
  Forrest aren't expected to win the Champions League.
• 28:38
  Forrest are riding the crest of a wave
• 28:41
  from what new North spirit will center with a nil
• 28:43
  on what he left.
• 28:44
  So they're actually, they're over-achieving.
• 28:47
  Arsenal are supposed to be doing better
• 28:53
  than what I think they are at the minute.
• 28:56
  They're supposed to be anyway.
• 28:58
  I only go on that sport in game, by the way.
• 29:00
  The position they are in the league,
• 29:01
  I think the top now aren't they?
• 29:03
  So right now that they're on track to do everything
• 29:05
  they're supposed to do, but I'm just saying,
• 29:07
  if they don't, if they win the league,
• 29:09
  I think it's a great season.
• 29:10
  Michael Art says I've got tells an amazing man
• 29:13
  and it's all well and good.
• 29:14
  I don't think that the European Cup is ever expected
• 29:18
  of any team at the start of the season.
• 29:20
  So I think his priority is the league,
• 29:22
  but in my eyes and in my opinion,
• 29:25
  just as a stupid football fan,
• 29:27
  he asked to win a trophy.
• 29:30
  He asked to win a trophy.
• 29:31
  Does he?
• 29:32
  I don't want to say the sac,
• 29:33
  because I don't believe you can't.
• 29:34
  His memory is from the fans.
• 29:35
  I don't think they should or are going to be right.
• 29:38
  The best fan keeps getting himself right
• 29:40
  to the brink, one of them eventually fall into place,
• 29:43
  but they've got the funniest fan base in the world.
• 29:45
  I mean that.
• 29:46
  Oh, yeah, 40 years.
• 29:47
  Absolutely. It's gold, isn't it?
• 29:49
  You know what I mean?
• 29:50
  They would do want to kill each other.
• 29:51
  That's the way they talk to each other.
• 29:52
  Braved this, braved that.
• 29:55
  Make it.
• 29:56
  I would just take a chill pill and calm down,
• 29:58
  but different notes,
• 29:59
  slightly talking forest and villa there.
• 30:01
  Did you see Elliot Anderson's not making
• 30:03
  a mug of nudges?
• 30:05
  I haven't sure.
• 30:06
  I'll show you after this.
• 30:08
  It must be something special,
• 30:09
  if you're just talking about him, not me.
• 30:10
  I was good to know.
• 30:11
  He sort of stopped, put his foot on the ball
• 30:13
  and then just rolled it through.
• 30:14
  Stephen Peanour, like honestly,
• 30:16
  that should remind him of me.
• 30:16
  He used to do that quite often.
• 30:18
  You can't even imagine he'd done that.
• 30:19
  He used to do that as well.
• 30:20
  And he used to shout names at me as he's doing it.
• 30:24
  Oh, Peanour, I want a guy.
• 30:26
  Yeah, if they both want that England camp,
• 30:28
  you're definitely getting your phone up there
• 30:29
  and just pulling that on repeat.
• 30:30
  Definitely. I'd have it as a screen saver.
• 30:32
  Do you think that was a red card for Anderson?
• 30:34
  Was that before the mega after the mega by any way?
• 30:36
  Um, I, it was, it was bored alarm on there.
• 30:42
  I sort of, I thought it was a yellow.
• 30:44
  I sort of always want to see people
• 30:46
  on the pitch, unless it's literally horrendous.
• 30:48
  So I was all right with it.
• 30:51
  Just about, just about,
• 30:53
  makes it and it made a big difference, didn't it,
• 30:54
  in the, in the, in the tie.
• 30:56
  And the fact he's available for the second leg.
• 30:59
  That's the one, you and I,
• 30:59
  and I was going on about his knee,
• 31:01
  but he said it's got to be a red card.
• 31:02
  He didn't really broke hardly,
• 31:03
  walk into his uncle.
• 31:05
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 31:06
  Obviously not a,
• 31:07
  I've seen it in slow motion.
• 31:08
  I can't really talk about it.
• 31:10
  It looks bad and slow,
• 31:11
  but we're always doing it.
• 31:11
  Yeah.
• 31:12
  The first two angles actually looked
• 31:14
  okay when I was watching on the TV.
• 31:16
  That's, look, it was, it was
• 31:17
  forceful, wasn't it?
• 31:18
  And that's how he plays.
• 31:19
  That's how he tackles.
• 31:20
  When you say that,
• 31:21
  when you say similar to James Garner
• 31:22
  in the way they play.
• 31:22
  When you say that, you've got to go.
• 31:24
  Soon as you say that word,
• 31:25
  forceful.
• 31:26
  I just think soon you say that word,
• 31:27
  you've got to go forceful tackle.
• 31:29
  You wouldn't get away with playing these days.
• 31:32
  Forceful tackle above the ankle.
• 31:34
  I don't care what it is you've got to go.
• 31:36
  Landy Reed, he was on the comms.
• 31:37
  And for that game was saying the opposite.
• 31:40
  That's what football still needs there.
• 31:42
  So where'd you stand?
• 31:44
  I think football still needs it.
• 31:45
  I think we've gotten into the
• 31:48
  such a place where everybody wants to go to ground so quickly.
• 31:51
  And it's hard for the referees
• 31:53
  to judge things instantly at times
• 31:55
  because everybody is throwing themselves
• 31:57
  on the floor, did you see?
• 31:59
  At the weekend,
• 32:01
  Crystal Palace V,
• 32:02
  Bournemouth and Henderson
• 32:05
  and the Palace Gold dropped a catch.
• 32:07
  And as you sort of go on to pick it up,
• 32:09
  I think it was just an essay.
• 32:10
  The center half just ran past him.
• 32:12
  There was the slightest of brushes
• 32:15
  and he's arked his back,
• 32:16
  he's rolling to ground.
• 32:17
  You could see him visibly screaming out loud
• 32:19
  and he got a penalty kick.
• 32:21
  And the bar won't over, really,
• 32:22
  because there was a slight touch
• 32:23
  but never in a million years
• 32:24
  have that been penalty in my opinion.
• 32:26
  But it's given.
• 32:28
  So the players are not helping the game
• 32:33
  or the officials or anybody at the minute
• 32:36
  because think about when you go to a stadium.
• 32:37
  This is all for both fans.
• 32:39
  Everyone loves a goal.
• 32:40
  That's the first thing you want to chew
• 32:42
  about the most.
• 32:43
  Everyone likes nice bits of play
• 32:45
  where you can get all excited.
• 32:46
  One of the things people love the most
• 32:48
  is tackles.
• 32:48
  Oh, massive.
• 32:49
  I'm getting dead excited.
• 32:50
  We love it.
• 32:51
  Yeah, we love it.
• 32:52
  And Evan, it's going to get in.
• 32:53
  Everyone loves a good proper.
• 32:56
  Well, 50, 50, 50 well time tackle
• 32:58
  where two people are committed.
• 33:00
  And you can't have that.
• 33:02
  First of all, if one person is not committed,
• 33:04
  it used to be new stories say
• 33:06
  when we're growing up,
• 33:06
  make sure you're fully committed
• 33:07
  so you don't go ahead.
• 33:08
  Nowadays, if one person does go into that tackle
• 33:11
  in the same way we were always told,
• 33:13
  he's likely to get a yellow card
• 33:14
  or a red card because the other fellow is
• 33:16
  already arcing his back and jumping
• 33:19
  and trying to get a free kick
• 33:21
  or trying to get them sent off
• 33:22
  to see across all of your European football,
• 33:24
  the amount of players that are trying to get
• 33:26
  the other team's players sent off
• 33:29
  for something because it will be an advantage.
• 33:31
  And they're not even embarrassed
• 33:32
  that it looks embarrassing on themselves.
• 33:35
  They just want the advantage.
• 33:37
  And as just think as a group of players,
• 33:41
  I think they're the only ones that can sort of change that.
• 33:43
  We can get excited about it.
• 33:44
  We can ask for it.
• 33:45
  We can cheer for it.
• 33:47
  We cannot give fouls for certain things.
• 33:50
  But ultimately, the players have got to
• 33:52
  kind of bring it back themselves
• 33:53
  of what they want and what they allow
• 33:55
  because the officials
• 33:56
  just going to say you can't the rest do that as well
• 33:58
  by not leaning into it when they play
• 34:00
  acting to a point, the kind of little bit,
• 34:03
  but then the referees would have to
• 34:06
  and the officials would have to stop
• 34:08
  giving a lot of fouls.
• 34:10
  And within those fouls,
• 34:11
  they will miss actual foul
• 34:14
  because, you know, to stop a broad spectrum
• 34:16
  to stop them, you're going to have to say no.
• 34:18
  And then you're going to miss a load of fouls,
• 34:19
  some of which are going to be penalty kicks
• 34:22
  or fouls and whatever.
• 34:23
  Then there's going to be a lot of VAR interruption.
• 34:26
  And then we'll start calling the refs,
• 34:27
  Paul, because they're missing it.
• 34:27
  And then you're going back full circle.
• 34:29
  It's got to be the place.