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Perseverance And Gospel Opportunities In Spite Of Life’s Trials · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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defending biblical Christianity, no topic, off limits.
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And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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Friends, family and Christ, thank you so much for tuning in watching, listening, sharing,
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we've got a return guest again, love this sister in her heart for the gospel.
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It's Pamela Walk, and you can get to her website by going to Pamela w-a-l-c-k-dot-com.
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PamelaWalk.com and her book, I definitely want to mention that, she's working on a new
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one.
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She's almost done, but this is the book that we've been talking about last couple times.
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We've had her on great stories in here, Bridge of Love, and a lot of inspiring encounters
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that she shares about.
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We want her to share more today, so Pam, that's why we've got you on, just to catch up
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with you, see how you're doing, and welcome back to World View Matters, good to see you.
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Thank you, David.
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Thanks for having me.
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It's wonderful to be on here.
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Good.
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So good to see you again, and as I mentioned, I just love your heart for the Lord and for
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the gospel.
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I keep up with some of the people you talk to.
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Whatever you, you can go to a doctor's appointment, and if you take a uber, you mentioned sharing
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the gospel with the uber driver, so you put a prayer request out there, and you let people
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know his name, and so people can pray for him.
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I just love that.
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I love that.
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I wish I could be more like that too.
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And maybe that's a challenge for all of us.
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But Pam, before we just jump into some of the thoughts about persevering through trials,
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that's what I want to talk about, perseverance, and our focus to share the gospel more often,
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because people need it.
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We need to be about souls.
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What's going on with your health?
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We haven't had you on for many months.
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I may be, I don't know, six to nine months.
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So let's catch up with you.
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How can we be praying for you?
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What's going on health wise?
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Yes.
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So in August of 21, I was diagnosed as a non-smoker with stage 4 lung cancer.
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And I was a physical therapist for the past 28 years, 17 at the last place I worked at
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a trauma hospital.
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And I was praying for my mom, she's 97 now, and all of a sudden I couldn't breathe.
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And I was like, this is really weird.
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And to make a lot of story shorting, hospitalized, they thought I had pneumonia, but then the
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results came backstage for lung cancer.
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So that floored me, obviously.
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And I flew out to Cleveland Clinic.
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I live near Buffalo, New York, but I couldn't get into the local cancer institute at the time
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because it was just one of the doctors had left.
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So I flew out to Cleveland Clinic on wings of hope.
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I had some genetic and bio molecular testing done, and they said I had an eG up our mutation.
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So it's a mutation.
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It's at no carcinoma and non-small lung cancer.
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Ham and in no occurs.
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So I ended up going on a target pill, which is to grow so.
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And I started that in September of 21.
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I also had a plurox put in a long drain for six months.
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Then they took the long drain out and I was doing great.
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And then in 2023, I started having pain in my right lung again.
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They did a bunch of tests that went on chemo with the tigrasso, the target pill.
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And then I was doing great again.
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And then in February of this past year, I started feeling funny again in my right lung.
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And I flew to MD Anderson in Houston, Texas where they're the number one cancer institute
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in all of the US.
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And I was looking into having a possible correct to me, which is where they take the plurolining
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out and also a low back to me where they take the low bound if I was a candidate.
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So not all the hospitals do that.
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They're just starting to do this now on stage four patients.
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So they did an updated brain MRI that was normal, but then they did another PET scan.
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And the last one I had done with it once before and they said that I had had progression.
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So then they took me off the chemo.
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I flew back to Buffalo and now I'm on a new protocol.
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It's called a ribovant infusion.
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So I get that every two weeks at the hospital.
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I go to and browse well in Buffalo.
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And I get that every two weeks, the long time up there, I'm usually up there for eight
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hours.
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And then I'm taking it.
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Yeah, it's a long time.
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And then I'm taking this new pill called last loose.
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So they took me off the to grow so which I've been on since 2021 on this pill last
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close.
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I have insurance issues with us because it's not what's the word for it.
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It's not approved for third line patients and I'm considered third line.
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That means I've tried three different things where it's approved right now for first line
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where the problem is they didn't invent it in 2021.
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So it wasn't FDA approved until 2024.
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So it's going back and forth with appeals through my doctor and just out of appeal processes.
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And we'll see what happens.
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But right now, Johnson and Johnson has approved it as a grant or some sort of patient assistance
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program.
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So I am taking it under their patient assistance program.
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Otherwise, 19,000 a year or not a year.
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I mean, I'm sorry.
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19,000 a month.
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Oh my goodness.
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Yeah, it's super expensive.
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I'm doing well.
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I've got some side effects.
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This chemo to me was a walk in the park.
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Everybody's chemo is different because it's different medicine.
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That was a walk in the park to me.
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One is much more harsh, but it's getting better.
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So I'm just praying that the Lord will use this medicine and that it will work.
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And also, I'm still praying, obviously, for a supernatural healing that that would be
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the best, you know, that I wouldn't have to have any of these things.
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So, but I'm doing well.
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Yeah.
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Well, it's frustrating, I think, just to hear whenever we hear you weren't even a smoker
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and the cancer got to your lungs and just we don't understand how that all works or
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why that happens.
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But God sovereign over everything and as believers in Christ, we have to go, okay, Lord,
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what are you doing?
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Obviously, we pray for healing.
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We know God can and we know He uses people.
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He also uses you and here's where the perseverance and the focus, the eternal perspective comes
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in, Pam, because whenever you go to an appointment, you're sharing the gospel.
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And that is really, I don't want to say convicting, but I think that's inspiring to a lot of
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people who in their everyday lives who might not have any health issues, we're not doing
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that.
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And here you are.
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God bless you for that.
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I want our viewers and our listeners to be praying for Pam, for healing, for God's strength,
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for His continuing to use her, because man, just talk about someone who is walking the
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talk, so to speak.
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So any recent gospel opportunities you can share with us before we maybe go revisit
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some from your book or I know you always have new ones.
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So, well, I'll give you an example.
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My mom has nabbed in the hospital in a while, but she was in the hospital a few months
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ago.
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And to be honest with you, I was two in the morning, and I really wasn't in the mood
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to share the gospel.
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You know, I was kind of looking sort of a depressed kind of like here we are again.
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And then I thought, you know, all of a sudden, I literally felt in my spirit and I truly
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mean felt, I heard, it must be the Holy Spirit, right?
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I heard, it's not about circumstances, it's about relationship.
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And I thought to myself right away about Paul and the Bible and how he was changed to
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a Roman guard, he wasn't going, oh, pour me, pour me.
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He was actually sharing the gospel with the Roman soldiers.
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And I thought, I am not losing my zeal for the Lord.
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I am not.
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So I thought the next person that comes in, I'm going to share the gospel or at least give
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them a track.
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I like to give out tracks a lot, which is a pamphlet on Jesus.
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But I have some catchy tracks.
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I get them from livingwaters.com.
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It's rate, comfort in Kirkamren's ministry.
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I use specifically one called the Wallet because when I was younger, people used, I wasn't
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a Christian.
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People used to see me tracks, you know, these Christian pamphlets and you knew right
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away it was about religion.
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And I would throw it in the garbage.
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That was it.
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I never run one track.
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But the funny thing is, I really believe the Lord has a sense of humor because I give
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out thousands of them.
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And he probably thought, yeah, Pam, you think that these people are weird.
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Will you just wait until years later when you do become a Christian, you're going to
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be given them out all the time.
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So what happens is this guy comes into the hospital, into the ER to ask my mother some insurance
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questions.
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And, you know, I speak for her because she's got a little, and I give them the answers
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and I thought, okay, I got to say something.
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Well, he's kind of in a hurry.
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So I gave him a track and I gave him my book card, my business card and my book.
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I said, I really hope that you read this pamphlet that I'm giving you.
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It's really important.
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It's on Jesus.
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Well, a couple weeks later, I don't know the blue.
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I get this email from him saying that he's been reading.
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Excuse me, that he's been, he looked at my website.
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He read the Wallet track and he really feels like God has been sort of pursuing him or something
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because a couple of other people it has also brought up God within that same week.
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And the funny thing is he ended up going to church on Easter and praying and trusting
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in Christ.
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And now he's going to a, like a new believer's class.
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Wow.
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So I was very thankful, you know, because it really is about relationship.
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It's not about circumstances.
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I mean, none of us let, you know, like our circumstances at times.
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But if we do put our focus eternally and think about all the people that need Jesus, more
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than just that 900 years, 60 years that you're in life here, I mean, this is eternal.
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You know, that's huge.
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And it just seems like I talk to so many people that are not believers.
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It's rare that I actually talk to a believer.
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And it's really sad.
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So yeah, so that's one example.
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I want to remind people what you just said about giving out tracks.
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And I've given them out too.
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In fact, when I first moved into the neighborhood that we're in now three years ago, it was
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in the winter.
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And I thought for Christmas, I got these, the gospel of John, I got some other tracks
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and one that said Merry Christmas and different things.
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And I put them in these door hanger bags.
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I went all the way around.
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I didn't talk to anybody, but it was at night, I hung them on the door knobs, probably
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for about three blocks around our neighborhood.
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And I prayed over them as I was giving them out.
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But there are all these opportunities in what you said is really interesting.
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You were given tracks or you've seen them, you used to throw them away when you were
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younger.
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Now here you are giving them out.
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We don't know which one is going to register with someone in that.
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The one that you shared about, he was obviously maybe others, others had shared with him.
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He was talked, someone talked him about God.
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He was at the moment where you gave, and it's just, it's not in our control.
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We are just to share what we can give out a track, if we can share in person, that's
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great.
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But you never know how God is working in their hearts and we can, you're right, we can
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assume that almost everyone, because the majority of people don't not believe us.
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So a lot of opportunities, Pam, share another one before we have to take a brief pause, please.
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Yeah, so I went to a wake a couple of weeks ago as my cousin, and after the wake, it was
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a Sunday, I thought, you know, I need to get a couple of things, I don't usually shop
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on Sundays, I went into the Dollar Tree store.
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And this woman walks up to me and she goes, she must have thought I worked there, she's
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honey, do you know where the handheld mirrors are?
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And I said, no, she goes, I said, I don't usually come to this store.
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And she goes, oh, oh, my neck.
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And she walks away and I, I thought to myself, I'm a therapist, even though I'm retired,
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I thought, okay, I got to talk to her.
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So I ended up, I said, excuse me, you just said you have neck problems and she said, yes.
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And I said, can I ask you what's wrong with your neck?
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So we ended up in this conversation and I gave her some neck exercises right in Dollar
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Tree.
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And then she says to me, where do you work?
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And I said, well, actually, I'm medically retired and I told her briefly what happened.
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And I said, well, Jesus is my healer.
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And he will always be my healer even if he uses medicine or, you know, doctors or supernatural.
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And she has me, oh, okay.
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And then I asked her, I said, well, can I ask you are you Christian?
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And she said, Catholic.
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And I said, okay, well, I couldn't let it go with that.
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And I said, well, let me ask you a question if heaven forbid you were to die today right
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now or something, where do you think you would go?
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And she said, heaven.
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And I said, okay, based on what?
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And she said, well, I've always been really good to my son before he died.
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I treated him so well.
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And I always took care of him.
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And I said, well, you know, and she was going on and on.
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I said, can we just talk a little bit about what the Bible says?
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And she said, what do you mean?
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I said, well, the Bible says, you know, we can't work our way to heaven.
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We can't do enough good things because the standard to get into heaven is perfection.
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And I said, and none of us, including myself, are perfect.
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And then I took her through some of the 10 commandments and I said, do you see how we all
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fail?
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You know, if you've ever lied once, taken something small, you know, looked at a person
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with lust in your eyes that you're not married to, dishonored your parents, any of that.
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It's all sin.
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And she goes, oh, now I guess at it, it was a 30 to 40 minute conversation.
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And I just, I felt like, would you want to pray to trust in Christ right now, repent
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and trust in Christ?
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And she said, yes, her name is Diana.
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And right there in Dollar Tree.
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I mean, this doesn't happen to me very often.
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It really doesn't.
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Wow.
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When I say it doesn't happen to me, it doesn't really.
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Usually it's just a conversation in the person says, I'll think about it.
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But she prayed and trusted in Christ.
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So it was just amazing.
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Sometimes God gives you, I always pray for the Lord to give me opportunities.
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I'm going to give me an opportunity to share the gospel.
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And thank you.
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I think he has been.
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Yes.
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Let's share that really quick.
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Let's reiterate that I should say, are we friends watching and listening this program?
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Are we willing to pray that prayer to ask God for opportunities to share the truth with
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the lost, to share the good news, the gospel of Jesus Christ?
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Are we willing to ask for opportunities?
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And then you know he's going to answer that prayer because that's God's will.
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We know that's his will.
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So then are we going to try to be sensitive to the Holy Spirit to those opportunities?
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Because we can miss a lot of them.
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So I just want to say that.
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But before we take a brief pause, we're with Pam walk.
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We've got to go to Romans 8 and I just want to share a few verses here because it says
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verse 9 says, if you confess with your mouth, Jesus as Lord and be leave in your heart
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that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
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Can't be confused about that.
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And then next verse 10, for with the heart, a person believes, resulting in salvation,
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I'm sorry, resulting in righteousness.
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And with the mouth, he confesses, resulting in salvation.
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And then verse 13, whoever, it's an opportunity for anyone, whoever will call on the name
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of the Lord will be saved.
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When we come back with Pam walk, we're going to talk about Ephesians, chapter 2, and hear
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more of her stories of just gospel opportunities that's so encouraging and inspiring.
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I mean, she's so good at this, and we can get good by practicing.
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Let's just cram some scripture right in the middle of this episode here, Pam.
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You mentioned the woman that was thinking her good works, and a lot of people, even in
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the church, a lot of people, well, I do this, I do that.
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It's not about do-do-do because Jesus said done.
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It is finished.
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It's because of what I did on the cross.
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So Ephesians chapter two, I always bring people this, especially when people are hung up
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with works and how good we can be because Jesus said, only God is good.
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There's only one good.
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In verse eight, it says, for by grace you have been saved through faith, in other words,
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by believing.
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And that not of yourselves get this, it is the gift of God.
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You don't work to earn a gift, do we?
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Not as a result of works so that no one may boast.
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And here's where Pamela comes in, for we are all his workmanship.
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If you are a believer in Jesus Christ saved your child of God, it says, for we are his
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workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works, which he prepared beforehand that we
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should walk in them.
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So if you're a believer in Christ, you're already saved by God's grace, not by works, but
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he gives us things to do right in the kingdom.
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So let's take us to another gospel opportunity, Pam, or whatever you want to share.
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Yeah.
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Well, the other thing I was going to say, once you open your mouth, I truly believe
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God will give you the words, even if it's your personal testimony, or if it's inviting
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somebody to church anything, you know, and the more you do it, it actually gets easier.
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It's sort of like riding a bike.
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At first, it's, and I'm not saying I don't get scared, I do sometimes.
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But at the same time, it really does get, like, I want everyone to go to heaven.
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I don't want people to go to hell, and hell is a terrible, eternal place, just like
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heaven is.
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So I always try, like I said, to, I just think, okay, love comes above, you know, just
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thinking, oh, this person probably is a believer.
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You have to delve deeper, because a lot of people will say their Christian, but then you
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say, okay, well, who is Jesus to you?
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You know, is he your savior?
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You know, and then you explore it that way, because even Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons
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will say that they're Christian.
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But when you actually found, you know, I just was curious, where do you go to church?
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And then you find out they're Jehovah Witness or Mormon, that's clearly not a Christian,
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you know, viewpoint.
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So I really believe going deeper with people is important.
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Some other things that, I guess, yeah.
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So because of these infusions, I've been getting at the hospital, you know, I've been feeling
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kind of funny.
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So I just started driving when I get the infusion.
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But when I first got the infusion, there was no way I was going to drive because I felt
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so sick after.
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So my insurance gives me some ride, I took some Uber rides in every, I'm trying to think
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if I even had one believer and I don't think I did.
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Most of them were Muslim, not all of them, but I got a lot of people from other countries,
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you know, Syria, Nigeria, especially men.
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And then women, I had one woman, she was a pagan, she told me.
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And I've learned some lessons.
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So I start just like Jesus did with the woman at the well.
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He starts in the natural, so, you know, you want to say, oh, you know, how long have you
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been doing this or just small talk and I'm pretty good at doing that.
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So a little bit of small talk and then I swing the conversation to the spiritual.
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Because otherwise, most of the time it's never going to get swung.
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Most people are not going to bring up anything about God, especially if they're not a believer.
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So I try to swing it and I say, oh, you know, what'd you do this weekend or do you
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want to church somewhere?
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Like I just swing the conversation.
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And most of them, like I said, they don't go to church or I'll say, oh, do you have any
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beliefs?
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You know, what is your, do you practice any religion?
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And then I start tearing the gas.
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I had some really good conversations with the overdrivers, but I also had one that was
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extremely confrontational where the guy kept laughing and he actually sat in the driveway
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for about 15 minutes, disputing the Quran and telling me that, you know, Jesus is the
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same as Muhammad and it's the same as Alan.
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It's all the same God and I said, no, they're very different.
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They have completely different beliefs.
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And if you actually read the Quran, you know, which I don't know how much he's read
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of it.
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He said, Jesus, never sinned and Muhammad did.
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And Jesus was sinless and he was born of a virgin and, you know, so sometimes the conversations
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have gotten a little heated, not too much with sometimes, um, yeah.
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And, you know, just even going to stores, I mean, sometimes I'll give the cashier.
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I try to go and I try not to always go in the self-checkout line because now there's
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a lot of self-checkout and sometimes go into the regular line and I will talk a little
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bit to the cashier and I'll hand them a track and I'll say, you know, something to them.
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There was a woman that I talked to at all these one day and she said that she was Buddhist
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and I said, what made you become Buddhist?
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And she said, oh, you know, I was a psychology major and she wrote up a lot on different
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self-help books.
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And so I gave her a track and a book of John.
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I carry books of John because, you know, as a woman, I have a purse.
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And so sometimes I'll have one or two books of John in my purse.
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I use the packet test mentally to order them and I usually order the large print because
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they're much easier to read and just the small print is very small for any age.
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So when I order those a lot, you can actually get Arabic ones too.
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You can get bilingual Arabic.
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You can also get Spanish ones from them, you know, different languages.
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I'm not always sure if they're always available, but I've gotten a lot from them.
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And my patients in the past, when I worked at the hospital, I've given them some of those.
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And I had a patient come back two years later and say she had been using that bilingual Arabic
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English one to learn English and she was studying with somebody about Christianity.
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She still wasn't a Christian, but that gave me a lot of encouragement because it was,
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you know, when people, especially Muslims, they've been so ingrained in that lifestyle
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and their friends and everybody, you know, they're all usually Muslims.
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So Pam, I know you get a lot of tracks from living waters.
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I've ordered from them to livingwaters.
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I think.com.
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Yeah.
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It might be dot dot org, but livingwaters.com, where do you get the gospel of John's?
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Where did you get those from?
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Yeah, I get it from the packet test mentally called the packet test mentally.
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The pocket testiment league, okay, yes, just for people that I always order them from them.
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They're wonderful.
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And there's a woman named Donna that she sends me emails and says that their team have
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been praying for me.
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And I was like, wow, and I thought, that's really amazing because I do order them.
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I don't order tons of them, but I've been ordering for probably, I don't know, at least
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six or seven years.
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That's awesome.
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So how, you know, let's talk briefly about your interaction with you say a lot of the drivers
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are Muslims.
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As in Christianity, there are a lot of nominal believers in probably any religion, but in
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Islam and in Christianity, there are people that maybe are cultural Christians, maybe
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Muslim the same way.
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Some people do not believe the whole Quran.
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They don't want to follow Muhammad's example.
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He was a brutal.
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He was a warrior, you know, conqueror, very violent.
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That's the traditions of Muhammad.
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But the person of Jesus is completely different.
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He was the truth.
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He spoke about peace.
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He lived it out completely different.
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There's so many contrasts between Islam and Christianity.
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But I just wanted to point that out.
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So we understand that for someone to say that Jesus and Allah or Jesus and Muhammad are
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the same.
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Oh my goodness, not even close.
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So one more, if you can share one more story, Pam, go ahead.
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I was in May and I had a gift card and walking around and I see this man dressed as a woman.
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Clearly he was a man.
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He had a beard wearing hot red shorts, very short with black high heels and black stockings
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and he kind of looked at me and smiled and I was like, okay.
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And then I kept walking around the store and I felt burdened because I get a burden for
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lost souls and thinking this man is obviously messed up and probably not saved.
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And I just, you know, I was walking around.
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I was kind of disturbed.
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I saw him again and he kind of gave me a little smile again and I thought, all right,
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I got to say something.
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So I walked over to him and I said, excuse me.
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I'd like to give you this.
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I feel like the Lord would want you to have it and it was a track.
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Right away he starts in and tells me that, you know, I just want you to know, I don't
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always dress like this and he goes, I'm not planning on having surgery.
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He goes, but I've been hurt by some women over my life and it was just, you know, and so
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we ended up talking for about 20 minutes and I asked, what do you have things about
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the way you're dressed?
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You know, I mean, you're bringing this up so I'm going to ask you, what do you think
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the Lord thinks about it?
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He goes, well, I don't really know and I said, well, give you over the Bible and he said,
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just little pieces of it.
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And I, you know, so we ended up talking and his name is Eric and it was a nice conversation.
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I actually would have probably talked to him longer if I had time, but I had to leave.
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And I don't know, I asked him to please think about what I told him.
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I had shared the gas, the whole thing about how we can't get to happen with a savior
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and that we're all sinners and that he gives you the Holy Spirit on earth to help and guide
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you.
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And I said, I can tell you right now, the Lord would not want you dressed, he wants
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you to dress like that.
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He wants you dressed as a man and to behave like a man because that's clearly what he
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made you to be.
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And I don't know.
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He took it well.
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It was actually a good conversation.
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I hope.
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I pray that he thinks about it and is reading the Bible.
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I really hope that.
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Well, pray for, pray for Eric, friends, but we also want you to pray for Pam.
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Just keep her doing what she's doing, Lord.
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And by the way, you can look her up on Facebook.
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You can interact with her personally, probably message her whatever it's Pam, W-A-L-C-K,
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on Facebook.
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And you've got her website.
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Good to see you.
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Wonderful catching up with you again, sister.
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God bless you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you so much.
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It's always just very inspiring and encouraging and the stories that she shares and there's
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more coming when she gets that book done.
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So friends, God bless you.
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And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.