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SMNTY Classics: Man v. Bear · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and all the stuff
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Speaker 1: I never told you production of iHeart Radio. And today
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Speaker 1: we are bringing back a Monday Mini that you brought
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Speaker 1: to us, Samantha, and it was about man versus bear,
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Speaker 1: that whole conversation. And it's because still too bear. It's
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Speaker 1: because I recently had a very annoying moment where I
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Speaker 1: saw that the movie we did in November as our
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Speaker 1: November movie pic Dangerous Animal is really popular now, and
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Speaker 1: I was like, I was there first, I knew. I
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Speaker 1: said that I did, and you were like, well, let's
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Speaker 1: bring that episode back. It's too recent. We try not
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Speaker 1: to do very recent good episodes for Classic I love
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Speaker 1: them obviously obviously. But in that episode, we did talk
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Speaker 1: about this conversation and how it applies to that movie.
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Speaker 2: It absolutely does, It absolutely does.
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Speaker 3: I will also like to update you with people actually
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Speaker 3: creating painting and drawings of women happily dancing with bears.
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Speaker 3: Oh wow, two men talking about Yes, I would choose
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Speaker 3: the bear.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's a solid update. Thank you.
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Speaker 2: You're welcome.
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Speaker 1: Have to look into that. In the meantime, please enjoy
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Speaker 1: this classic episode. Hey, this is any and Samantha. I'm
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Speaker 1: welcome to STEPHF. I've never told your prediction of iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 2: And we are back with a Nonday. I put another
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Speaker 2: and Monday together, so I just created a new word.
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Speaker 2: Maybe that's our new series word.
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Speaker 1: Wow, Samantha H. I have learned new Star Wars knowledge.
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Speaker 2: So I'm calling this a Nonday, which is my Monday Mini,
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Speaker 2: because it's another Monday mini Annday many.
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Speaker 1: I like that, and we're.
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Speaker 2: Coming back to me making all of my Monday minies.
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Speaker 2: Like Samantha's social media corner, which I did. I feel
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Speaker 2: like that's my new thing now in which I just
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Speaker 2: find random posts. I'm like, yeah, we're gonna talk about
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Speaker 2: this because I find them fascinating. And also I have
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Speaker 2: a lot of questions and thoughts that I don't put
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Speaker 2: on social media myself because I am not articulate enough
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Speaker 2: to type it out on my phone.
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Speaker 1: Experience were just about that.
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Speaker 2: I can't stand it. I start to say, anyway, that's
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Speaker 2: a whole different episode. But I do need to put
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Speaker 2: trigger warning content warning. We are talking about sexual abuse,
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Speaker 2: sexual harassment, we're talking about all the violence against women
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Speaker 2: type of things here. We're not going into detail. I'm
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Speaker 2: talking a little bit of specifics and even like violence
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Speaker 2: with animals. So put that at the top. I know, intriguing, right, wow,
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Speaker 2: Because honestly, my TikTok has been flooded with several things
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Speaker 2: because the world is bad. I think we had this
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Speaker 2: conversation just with Bridget about how all of social media
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Speaker 2: does make me really really really really really sad sometimes. Also,
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Speaker 2: I did find a new dog content where all they
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Speaker 2: do I'm not really sure the jeniter of the dog,
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Speaker 2: but it's get types of containers, brings it to its
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Speaker 2: owner and then tries to lay in it no matter
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Speaker 2: how big or small, and then falls out of it
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Speaker 2: on purpose. It is really proud of themselves. I really
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Speaker 2: love that content anyway. So that's the beginning joyous content
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Speaker 2: that I have found. But unfortunately the other side of
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Speaker 2: that is there's a viral video going around. I think
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Speaker 2: it's I want to say it's a YouTube video. I
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Speaker 2: don't actually think it originated with TikTok, and I was
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Speaker 2: trying to find the original video. But of course my
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Speaker 2: short search, I'm sure it would be easy to find
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Speaker 2: I didn't. It's essentially that whole situation where a person
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Speaker 2: with a mic goes randomly on the streets asking random
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Speaker 2: questions to people. So what Billy on the streets has
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Speaker 2: been doing? But now it's everywhere and everyone does it,
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Speaker 2: And sometimes you have some really iconic answers, and sometimes
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Speaker 2: you have really problematic answers, and you start like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: this is this is society. But this one was asking people,
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Speaker 2: specifically women, would they rather be alone in the forest
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Speaker 2: with a bear or a man? And I have a
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Speaker 2: feeling if you're on social media at all, you know
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Speaker 2: exactly what I'm talking about, because it's huge. But if
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Speaker 2: you're any and you're not on social media, you have
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Speaker 2: no clue what I'm talking about.
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Speaker 1: Nope, this was the topic of discussion.
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Speaker 2: When I said this to her, I just assumed she
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Speaker 2: was like, yeah, of course, she's like what what? Because
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Speaker 2: I said bear man things, she was like what. So
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Speaker 2: I don't even know what was going through your mind.
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Speaker 2: I will say, in my searches when I was looking
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Speaker 2: for like the original video, the actual search results showed
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Speaker 2: me that Chinese sun bears and people talking about whether
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Speaker 2: or not they thought it was a man in a
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Speaker 2: suit or you know what I'm talking about, which I
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Speaker 2: have seen that that's been a minute, but I was like, oh,
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Speaker 2: that's funny. Those are the two results like it, but
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Speaker 2: specifically about women being alone in the forest with whether
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Speaker 2: it was a bear or a man. Of course, there's
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Speaker 2: a lot of discussion and a lot of talks, and unsurprisingly,
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Speaker 2: I think most women said bears and men are unhappy.
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Speaker 2: Of course, this is one of the situations, not all men.
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Speaker 2: Because there's also one new thing with this of women
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Speaker 2: asking their partners at their sis I guess or if
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Speaker 2: they're in a heterosexual relationship. So we have women with
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Speaker 2: men asking them, would you rather your daughter be in
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Speaker 2: the woods with a bear or a man? And a
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Speaker 2: chunk of them either have a lot of questions or
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Speaker 2: typically just like bear like, straightforward, and then when they
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Speaker 2: are asked why, they'll be like, because I don't want
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Speaker 2: my daughter to go through some of the things that
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Speaker 2: they could go through with men, essentially, and so so
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Speaker 2: back and forth about all this. But you have a
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Speaker 2: chunk of men sitting there going that's so ridiculous, literally
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Speaker 2: trying to say all these scientific and I'm putting this
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Speaker 2: in quotes facts about what bears can do to people
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Speaker 2: and this is dumb and how would women even survive
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Speaker 2: that this is someone one of the commenters said brain
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Speaker 2: rides and one of them said internet rot and they
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Speaker 2: just need to get off the internet because they don't understand.
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Speaker 2: And then at one point they were like, yeah, and
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Speaker 2: if they were put in a room where it be
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Speaker 2: with just a bear or with a man, like having
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Speaker 2: these scenarios just go completely out of whack and getting
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Speaker 2: upset that women are saying bears. And even in the
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Speaker 2: interview you have the women saying, well, let me ask
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Speaker 2: these questions and then just in a depth say yeah,
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Speaker 2: bear bear, And of course we have this conversation. Some
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Speaker 2: of the reasons that we have said we being women
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Speaker 2: or marginalized people are saying, is bears attack out of
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Speaker 2: hunger or fear or protection. And this is from what
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Speaker 2: I gather, Like so you know kind of what to expect.
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Speaker 2: So yes, you may die, you may die, But the
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Speaker 2: other thing is, but you also know that you're just
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Speaker 2: gonna die, Like that's not that's it, You're not. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you may be broken, you may go through some things
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Speaker 2: for sure, but like as where men are torturing, sexual violating,
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Speaker 2: and maybe taking pictures and posting, like, you know, the
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Speaker 2: level of public humiliation, as well as a fact that
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Speaker 2: for bears, like you're probably gonna get more sympathy from
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Speaker 2: a bear attack than being attacked by a man or
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Speaker 2: you're also more likely going to be believed if you're
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Speaker 2: attacked by a bear rather than a man or you
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Speaker 2: don't have to be publicly humiliated to tell your story
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Speaker 2: and petrified of retaliation of some sorts. And I find
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Speaker 2: that fascinating in that conversation, because men are like, but no,
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Speaker 2: this is what happens to you. They don't just they
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Speaker 2: do bad things to your body too. One dude just
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Speaker 2: went as far as to say, like, oh, you think
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Speaker 2: men will violate your body, Bears do too. Bears hump trees,
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Speaker 2: they'll hump you. And I'm like, can you name a case, Like,
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Speaker 2: I'm sure maybe weird, weird things have happened, so I'm
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Speaker 2: not completely disregarding, but like the amount of times that
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Speaker 2: have happened, can you tell me that's not a thing.
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Speaker 2: And then yeah, one of the reasons that women said
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Speaker 2: they were more scared of men is because if they
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Speaker 2: are rejected, if they felt like people were insulting them,
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Speaker 2: or threatening them, or because they just don't like women
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Speaker 2: or anyone different from them. The example of the man
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Speaker 2: randomly punching women on the streets of New York for
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Speaker 2: no damn reason, literally seeing them on their phone just
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Speaker 2: side punch them, or and or just because they can
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Speaker 2: literally just saying I just wanted to see if I
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Speaker 2: could again. I'm trying to really really think about why
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Speaker 2: the men are so angry in this situation. It's one
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Speaker 2: of those things in the level of like you're getting
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Speaker 2: defensive over something that either is really true and you're
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Speaker 2: angry about it because you know that you're that person
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Speaker 2: that they're talking about, or this is that whole alpha
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Speaker 2: level of connection of like, well, you know, bears and
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Speaker 2: only men can be really fighting. Like I don't know
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Speaker 2: if that revenant has any kind of like thought process,
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Speaker 2: you know, Like in my mind, I'm trying to really
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Speaker 2: rationalize why they are so angry and why they feel
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Speaker 2: the need to like no, you're wrong, No you're wrong
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Speaker 2: to a hypothetical question that really is just about society, right,
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Speaker 2: Like I'm thinking, is this somehow challenging men that men say?
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Speaker 2: If men say I'm afraid of a bear and a
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Speaker 2: woman says, I would rather be around a bear and
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Speaker 2: somehow challenges their masculinity somehow. Yeah, like I'm trying to
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Speaker 2: go down that route. I think I'm gonna have to
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Speaker 2: sit quietly for that, and I don't have the patience.
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Speaker 2: Maybe I really do have brain rot to go down
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Speaker 2: that road. Of course, this came back to me thinking
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Speaker 2: about the statistics that we all know and we haven't
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Speaker 2: checked up on recently because I feel like things are
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Speaker 2: getting worse. But of course we know that the statistics
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Speaker 2: are going higher. Apparently to the ed app dot com
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Speaker 2: they talked about in twenty twenty three, they're a sexual
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Speaker 2: assault that curs every ninety three seconds in the United States.
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Speaker 2: I think that's about the same number as it has been.
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Speaker 2: We know that in twenty twenty three, eighty one percent
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Speaker 2: of women have a face sexual harassment in their life.
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Speaker 2: Forty three percent of men have a face sexual harassment
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Speaker 2: in their life. We also know that a majority of
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Speaker 2: them don't report, especially in workplaces, and the few that
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Speaker 2: have reported now maybe fifteen percent have something some kind
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Speaker 2: of consequence. Weinstein, his case just got overturned in New York.
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Speaker 2: I will say Annie, I verbally like I outright cursed
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Speaker 2: at my phone and like through it because I am
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Speaker 2: so damn angry. Of course, apparently this is going to
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Speaker 2: a new retrial and the California cases are still place,
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Speaker 2: and so he's still locked up for like the twelve years,
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Speaker 2: sixteen years, so he's still in jail. He's still locked up.
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Speaker 2: So that's the good news in this. But the level
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Speaker 2: of anger I have about that, I feel like that
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Speaker 2: is the new all men. You know how women will respond. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: not all men, but all men is now the and
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Speaker 2: that and the bears. I would rather be with bears.
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Speaker 2: That's the new response to this. And that's kind of
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Speaker 2: that same level. There has an alarmingly high uptick of
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Speaker 2: family annihilation cases recently, and I'm actually going to come back.
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Speaker 2: We're actually going to come back and do an episode
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Speaker 2: about this because I'm very deeply disturbed by what is
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Speaker 2: happening with this. And maybe it's because social media is
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Speaker 2: highlighting a lot more, but I did look it up,
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Speaker 2: and in the last two years it has says there
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Speaker 2: there is an uptick of men killing off their entire
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Speaker 2: family for quote unquote either domestic violence reasons, rejection reasons, whatever,
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Speaker 2: like so many reasons. And I want to come and
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Speaker 2: visit that there might be in no answers. It may
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Speaker 2: be the same conversation we had when we talked about
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Speaker 2: true crime, because we didn't puilt few statistics in there.
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Speaker 2: But also we also know that there's been an uptick
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Speaker 2: of women killing their children as well in themselves. So
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Speaker 2: it's it's I'm very interested in what's going on. I
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Speaker 2: do want to have this conversation, but things like this
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Speaker 2: is what it's like, the bear versus man. These statistics
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Speaker 2: of transgender and queer assaults have always been pretty high.
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Speaker 2: We know this. We know that at least forty seven
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Speaker 2: percent of trans gender people have faced some kind of
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Speaker 2: sexual assault. Forty six percent of bisexual women have dealt
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Speaker 2: with a sexual assault. We know that people who are
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Speaker 2: disabled have been at risk seven times more than any
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Speaker 2: other group of people for sexual assault and harassment. And
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Speaker 2: then we talked about the fact that the lifetime cost
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Speaker 2: of each survivor of rape is around over about one
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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty two thousand dollars one hundred and twenty
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Speaker 2: two to one hundred and twenty three thousand dollars in
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Speaker 2: their lifetime, and the fact that there's no compensation for
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Speaker 2: that or rarely any compensation for that. Hurts hurts a lot.
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Speaker 2: And when I was looking up all this conversation, I
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Speaker 2: did try to see if there was anything in the
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Speaker 2: news or anybody was talking about it outside of TikTok
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Speaker 2: or any viral conversations. And we have one columnist from
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Speaker 2: iNews dot co dot uk. Her name is Kate Lister,
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Speaker 2: and she had some thoughts about it, and I wanted
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Speaker 2: to read a little bit from her article. She talks
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Speaker 2: about the statistics of why maybe women are saying bears,
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Speaker 2: and so she says, let's start with the bears. Bear
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Speaker 2: attacks are highly sensationalized but rare. According to research published
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Speaker 2: in the Nature Journal, there are around forty brown bear
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Speaker 2: attacks on humans worldwide each year, and most of these
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Speaker 2: are when the bear feels threatened. Of these forty attacks,
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Speaker 2: fourteen point three percent were fatal. So I'm like, that's
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Speaker 2: just significantly low, anybody, Okay. Between eighteen seventy and twenty fourteen,
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Speaker 2: there were seventy three attacks worldwide on humans by wild
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Speaker 2: polar bears, twenty of which were fatal. And that's the
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Speaker 2: one bear that I hear people talking about, being like, oh,
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Speaker 2: they're the most dangerous the polar bears. So there's that
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Speaker 2: black bears attack and kill around one human per year
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Speaker 2: in America, and because of humans in crouching on their territories,
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Speaker 2: black bear attacks are on the rise in Japan. In
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Speaker 2: crouching on the territories, bears generally leave humans alone and
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Speaker 2: will alter their behavior to avoid us where possible. In fact,
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Speaker 2: we pose far greater danger to them than other way around.
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Speaker 2: According to Western Wildlife Outreach, fifty thousand black bears are
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Speaker 2: legally hunted in North America each year alone, while over
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Speaker 2: eight hundred polar bears are killed by humans every year.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if anyone is asking the bears who
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Speaker 2: they would rather be stuck in the force with, but
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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure they wouldn't choose the man either. So
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Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, absolutely, as in fact, I saw
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Speaker 2: an acquaintance of mine go like, go legally hunt black
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Speaker 2: bears in North Carolina and it goes on. Now for
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Speaker 2: the men. Male violence against women is incredibly common and
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Speaker 2: not sence sectionalized, and nearly enough. On average, two women
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Speaker 2: per week are murdered by their partner or ex partner.
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Speaker 2: In the UK. According to the UN, fifty five percent
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Speaker 2: of all female homicide worldwide are committed by intimate partners
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Speaker 2: or other family members, at a rate of five deaths
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Speaker 2: every every single hour. Their research also found that most
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Speaker 2: violence against women is perpetrated by current or former husbands
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Speaker 2: or intimate partners. More than six hundred and forty million,
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Speaker 2: or twenty six percent of women aged fifteen and older,
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Speaker 2: have been subjected to intimate partner violence. I feel like
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Speaker 2: that should be enough set this whole level. And I
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Speaker 2: will say this, the few encounters because I'd live in
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Speaker 2: the mountains of North Georgia that I've had of bears,
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Speaker 2: they are just as scared of me as I was
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Speaker 2: of them, and me yelling at them was enough for
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Speaker 2: them to run away, as where if we were yelling
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Speaker 2: at men, guarantee that same situation would not happen.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true, because I feel like it's completely accurate
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Speaker 1: that the bear attack is so sensationalized. And I do
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Speaker 1: think you're on something with the because I feel like,
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Speaker 1: for kind of the hunter type men, the bear is
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Speaker 1: like your top predator, and so for people to say, Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'd rather be with the bear, it makes complete sense
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Speaker 1: to me that men would be like, well, actually, bears
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Speaker 1: are really really dangerous, well, like totally missing the point
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Speaker 1: where is a lot of I would say largely women
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Speaker 1: answering this who said the bear actually reason to out,
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Speaker 1: as you said, Like they asked questions and they're like, okay,
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Speaker 1: no the bear, So they kind of like really thinking
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Speaker 1: it through and knowing these dangers, whereas it seems the
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Speaker 1: men just went right to ignore. Why they would say
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Speaker 1: that you're wrong because I know about bears, right.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it really feels like an office episode, yes,
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Speaker 2: about the black bear, right to the point that you
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Speaker 2: just sit there and go literally one one, one person
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Speaker 2: a year, like I think at one point, someone else
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Speaker 2: statistics of like fifteen people at most of in a year,
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Speaker 2: and then the amount of women that have died at
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Speaker 2: the hands of their partner is literally spaced out in
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Speaker 2: a single day like that. Yeah, it's like the amount
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Speaker 2: of statistics and the fact that men are so threatened
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Speaker 2: by this question.
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Speaker 1: Yeah to the again like.
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Speaker 2: The I don't know why this is a go to
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Speaker 2: for so many insecure men is you have then to
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Speaker 2: ask them for help for what help from other men?
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Speaker 1: It's a very it's like a very dismissive thing too,
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Speaker 1: because it's like essentially trying to dismiss why women would
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Speaker 1: say that as then you can't handle you don't know fear,
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Speaker 1: you don't know bears, right, But I wonder how much
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Speaker 1: of it is like they feel threatened too by Well,
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Speaker 1: if you're living with the fear of the bear every day,
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Speaker 1: then you must be stronger than I thought.
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Speaker 4: Ladies, here's a statistic.
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Speaker 2: And I just needed to know. I needed to know
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Speaker 2: more men have been killed by bears and women and
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Speaker 2: I just because like, so here's one and I don't
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Speaker 2: know how outdated. Oh, this is twenty sixteen. So this
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Speaker 2: is a Vox article in twenty sixteen about attacks involving
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Speaker 2: grizzly bears and occurring during summer. And it's among fatal
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Speaker 2: bear attack victims. The average age was thirty seven. Of
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Speaker 2: these victims twenty one more female and fifty more male.
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Speaker 2: And it happened in deep backcountries with hobbies dominated by men.
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Speaker 2: So I don't because it's there in their space. So
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Speaker 2: that's a whole different conversation. But I did wonder, like
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Speaker 2: in like can't be situations, whether like who are the
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Speaker 2: ones going to antagonize the bear versus who are not?
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Speaker 1: M hm.
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Speaker 2: I did see a video also of this group of people,
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Speaker 2: and there were several young women getting a cub out
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Speaker 2: of the tree that they just wanted to cuddle. And
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Speaker 2: they're like, that is illegal.
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Speaker 1: That's dangerous. That is dangerous.
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Speaker 2: I think people were in so upset and I'm like, yeah, right, live,
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Speaker 2: so leave the bears alone, dude, let them be. Yeah
21:37
Speaker 2: when they come into our Twitter territory and go off,
21:40
Speaker 2: they have had some cocaine apparently.
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Speaker 1: That could be a thing can be. That's also pretty rare,
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Speaker 1: but can.
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Speaker 2: Had to throw that in for a reference. Sound that disheartening, Uh,
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Speaker 2: that this is that deep of a conversation and that
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Speaker 2: the fallout as men being upset and I think there
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Speaker 2: are some human some girls and you're like, oh, that's
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Speaker 2: not true. I wouldn't. I wouldn't pick a bear because
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Speaker 2: then they like result too, Like I would definitely pick
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Speaker 2: Ryan Gosling over a bear. Who wouldn't Just kidding.
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Speaker 1: Well, again, that's when you ask the questions. But when
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Speaker 1: it's like just some random man.
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Speaker 2: It's a strange person I have never met, and it's
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Speaker 2: just a dude that's just chilling, and they're staring at
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Speaker 2: me and I see it like if I see a
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Speaker 2: bear and a man at the same distance. I'm not
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Speaker 2: going towards either one of them. Yeah, I'm saying away
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Speaker 2: from both of you. But if you're telling me we're
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Speaker 2: in the woods, and like, yeah, I would rather like
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Speaker 2: be able to play dead with the bear hopefully, versus
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Speaker 2: trying to run from a man mm hmm and hide.
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Speaker 2: I've seen those horror movies.
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Speaker 1: Me too, you know I have.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Once I I was hiking alone and I was in
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Speaker 1: a very remote place and it was in North Georgia,
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Speaker 1: and I saw a bear and I was nervous, but
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Speaker 1: I just was like, okay, just to come and keep going.
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Speaker 1: Then I saw a man and he was just standing
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Speaker 1: there in a very awkward pose and he was stuck
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Speaker 1: still and he just like watched me go by, and
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Speaker 1: I was more scared of him, for sure. It rattled me.
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Speaker 1: Like the bear. I was like, Okay, I'm just gonna
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Speaker 1: like try to move on and be cool and.
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Speaker 2: Not don't panic, don't look at it.
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Speaker 1: Just just go. And then after I couldn't see it,
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Speaker 1: I couldn't hear it. I was like, Okay, I'm good,
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Speaker 1: but that man was I was like I could be
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Speaker 1: so far from him and he could shoot me, Like,
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Speaker 1: I don't know what he was doing, but he was
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Speaker 1: just it was creepy.
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Speaker 2: Right, No, that's absolutely Like, and when you hear a
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Speaker 2: rustling in the woods, I'm more scared that it's going
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Speaker 2: to be a man, a giant watching me, or or
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Speaker 2: a wild boar. Those wilds the mountains, they're pretty, they're.
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Speaker 1: Faster, they'll get you.
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Speaker 4: Well.
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Speaker 1: I think that's the thing though, is like I am,
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Speaker 1: I don't want to mess with bears. Bears scary, right,
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Speaker 1: But I also I think that's kind of the point,
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Speaker 1: is that if that's true, Yeah, then if the man
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Speaker 1: is scarier the random man.
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Speaker 2: Right, And again a lot of them are like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I could die either way, but I would rather be
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Speaker 2: killed by a bear versus a man. Yeah, that's that scenario.
24:47
Speaker 2: That's that conversation, Like what's going to happen, I mean,
24:50
Speaker 2: and as what's happened in Wisconsin, which I believe Shawe
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Speaker 2: Robinson met a dude on tender and he member her
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Speaker 2: and killed her with initially, and there's a conversation about
25:04
Speaker 2: the fact that he may have killed other black women
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Speaker 2: and no one's caring, no one, no one, until like
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Speaker 2: it came out like in a bigger conversation, no one
25:13
Speaker 2: really said much and it's not a very hyped case,
25:16
Speaker 2: and like those are the situations like, yeah, she took
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Speaker 2: a chance on meeting a dude in public, I believe,
25:21
Speaker 2: and died h And that we know more and more
25:24
Speaker 2: and more of those cases, and it's kind of like
25:27
Speaker 2: we this is that conversation that we're having of like
25:31
Speaker 2: what did a poor woman? And yeah, if you've listened
25:34
Speaker 2: to true crimes and so many things where they're like,
25:37
Speaker 2: you know, like people are women are petrified. I just say,
25:43
Speaker 2: you know, marginalized people are super petrified about what's out
25:47
Speaker 2: there and who's going to get them. And it's more
25:48
Speaker 2: often that they're more afraid of a human being than
25:53
Speaker 2: of all the creatures out there, except for the deep sea.
25:57
Speaker 2: Like if I go into deep sea, then maybe I'll
25:58
Speaker 2: be more scared.
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Speaker 1: Deeps is scary, so scary.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that was an important conversation and
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Speaker 2: I'm I hate that this is a constant turnaround conversation
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Speaker 2: that I'm like wow, wow, like you just you refuse
26:15
Speaker 2: to get it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because I do feel that so many times,
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Speaker 1: and most of my male friends have been very cool
26:26
Speaker 1: about it. But you just mentioned something and they'll be
26:28
Speaker 1: like what really, Like, yep, that's just my existence. And
26:33
Speaker 1: I feel like so many of these things just showcase
26:36
Speaker 1: over and over again that we're we're here living in
26:40
Speaker 1: different worlds. We've got a long ready to go.
26:43
Speaker 2: And then the amount of men who are getting boosted
26:47
Speaker 2: because they just said, oh yeah, bear because they quote
26:50
Speaker 2: unquote get it. But this is minimum, this is this
26:55
Speaker 2: is a minimum. Yeah, but I get while we're celebrating
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Speaker 2: because this minimum is really high compared to the rest
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Speaker 2: of the average here.
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Speaker 4: It is. It is.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's unfortunate because like you said, it's also Yeah,
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Speaker 1: when a bear attach happens, you hear so much about it.
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Speaker 1: But every day to every day inundated with violence against women,
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Speaker 1: it's like, okay.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, women's not wearing these clothings. Thanks, don't go out alone.
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Speaker 1: Yes, oh god, well I did not know this is
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Speaker 1: what we would be talking about today. Yeah, thank you
27:42
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27:44
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