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Tammy Hembrow’s Messy New Romance · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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  Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture.
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  Speaker 2: News twice a week.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, Tami
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  Speaker 1: Hembro debuts her new man.
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  Speaker 2: And why everyone's pissed at the road event guest list.
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  Speaker 1: But first, tickets to Hilary Duff's world tour officially go
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  Speaker 1: on pre-sale today.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so excited, but also really nervous.
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  Speaker 1: I just realized that today is also two years to
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  Speaker 1: the day that we saw Taylor Swift in concert for
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  Speaker 1: the Eras Tour. Maybe that's a good sign. Maybe we
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  Speaker 1: are going to get some good tickets. I've got PTSD
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  Speaker 1: still from that waiting room. I think we spent two
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  Speaker 1: full days logged in trying to get tickets.
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  Speaker 2: At least we actually got tickets though. So many people didn't.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the difference this time around is I've got a
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  Speaker 1: toddler and you guys have got babies that we have
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  Speaker 1: on this strict routine. And I'm like, okay, so the
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  Speaker 1: pre-sale starts at, I think it's 1130 Adelaide time. And
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  Speaker 1: then I'm like, hang on. They go down for their
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  Speaker 1: nap at one. What happens if you get in and
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  Speaker 1: you're busy? We need to have a plan. Well, Soph
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  Speaker 1: and I have also got a work shoot on, so
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  Speaker 1: that's going to make things extra difficult, but you just
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  Speaker 1: have to try. Look, I'm sure it's not going to
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  Speaker 1: be as popular as Taylor Swift, or am I setting
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  Speaker 1: us up for a big fall? Don't jinx it. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Hilary Duff has 27.9 million followers on Instagram, and she
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  Speaker 1: has created such a buzz. The marketing around Her comeback
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  Speaker 1: has been incredible. And I think a big part of
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  Speaker 1: the reason why so many people want to go to
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  Speaker 1: her concert. There's so many different pre-sales on. I have
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  Speaker 1: ordered her vinyl album from Warner Brothers in the hope
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  Speaker 1: that maybe I'll be able to get some tickets. But
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  Speaker 1: I heard some people saying online that you should only
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  Speaker 1: be able to enter the pre-sale if your birth year
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  Speaker 1: starts with.
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  Speaker 2: One and a nine. And I think they're onto something. 100% agree.
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  Speaker 1: Or perhaps providing proof of you going to her concert
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  Speaker 1: the last time.
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  Speaker 2: She was in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a true fan. It's really crazy that
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  Speaker 1: it's been over 20 years since Hilary was last here
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  Speaker 1: for her Australian concert. I mean, we would have had
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  Speaker 1: to call up Ticket Tech or even line up. It's
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  Speaker 1: amazing how much modern technology has changed.
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  Speaker 3: Was I the only one that felt like it was
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  Speaker 3: hard to watch that road event? You know that one
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  Speaker 3: in Sydney with all the influencers? That was the most
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  Speaker 3: cringiest thing I have ever seen.
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  Speaker 1: In case you've been living under a rock, Hayley Bieber
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  Speaker 1: has been in Sydney promoting the launch of her skincare brand, Road,
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  Speaker 1: into Mecca in Australia. Late last week, the A-lister held
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  Speaker 1: an influencer event to celebrate the launch, which has dominated
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  Speaker 1: news feeds, but for an unexpected reason. It turns out
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  Speaker 1: the influencer guest list has ruffled some feathers, particularly of
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  Speaker 1: those creators who weren't invited.
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  Speaker 2: Kate, can you tell us more?
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  Speaker 1: Well, the content creators who didn't make the invite list
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  Speaker 1: aren't happy and I can kind of see why. My
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  Speaker 1: TikTok has been absolutely flooded by this event, but everything
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  Speaker 1: just looks the same except it's uploaded by a different influencer.
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  Speaker 1: So most of the videos start with this shot of
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  Speaker 1: Hailey Bieber arriving at the event and she looks like
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  Speaker 1: she'd rather be anywhere else but there. And as she
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  Speaker 1: wades through this sea of white, thin, young influencers, she
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  Speaker 1: does this little double wave. Have you guys seen it?
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  Speaker 1: It's so funny. I didn't pick up on the vibe
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  Speaker 1: that she didn't want to be there though. I think
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  Speaker 1: she sort of looks a little bit shy and a
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  Speaker 1: bit like timid, like.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, hi everyone.
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  Speaker 1: I saw some people commenting on TikTok saying, did she
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  Speaker 1: just pretend to chew chewing gum?
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  Speaker 2: As soon as she.
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  Speaker 1: Entered the room, she did this bit of a chew
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  Speaker 1: and Other people were saying she's really nervous. Like that
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  Speaker 1: is something like she's trying to mask her nerves. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: It could have been a mix of nerves, but there
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  Speaker 1: is a shot of her before she actually enters the venue.
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  Speaker 1: And it's kind of like, oh God, do I really
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  Speaker 1: have to go in? Because I don't blame her. Literally
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  Speaker 1: everyone was just pointing their phones at her, recording her
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  Speaker 1: every movement. The room looked very intimidating and I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to shit on the people that were there because
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure they're lovely, but From an outside perspective, it
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  Speaker 1: almost looked like you were back at high school and
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  Speaker 1: it was a room full of popular people and you
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  Speaker 1: were just waiting to be bullied. Well, someone said it
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  Speaker 1: looked like a cook-eye staff party, which.
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  Speaker 2: Made me laugh.
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  Speaker 1: And I think everyone's a bit disappointed because in addition
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  Speaker 1: to this shot of Hayley Bieber that was in every video,
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  Speaker 1: all the other videos also featured the road bakery. So
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  Speaker 1: it was like slow-mo shots of this pop-up bakery. And
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  Speaker 1: there was this pile of waffles that was literally in
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  Speaker 1: every real there were berries and these purple wellness shots
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  Speaker 1: with road branded ice cubes. It looked very cute, but
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  Speaker 1: it's like, Is that all you can come up with
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  Speaker 1: for this event? Like where's the creativity? From being in
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  Speaker 1: PR and being around these types of events, I think
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  Speaker 1: that a lot of the influencers there would have just
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  Speaker 1: been so starstruck that Hailey Bieber was in their orbit
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  Speaker 1: and sort of thought, well, I've got the invite anyway.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not really going to go above and beyond to
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  Speaker 1: create a really out there video that's really creative. I
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  Speaker 1: think that would have just been like, oh, look, it's
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  Speaker 1: good enough to just film whatever's here. Yeah, but it's
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  Speaker 1: not really good enough. Like if you're getting an invite
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  Speaker 1: to this type of event, which a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: wanted to go to, you You've really got to do
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  Speaker 1: better than just a slow-mo montage of stuff that happened
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  Speaker 1: in it. The only video that really stood out to
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  Speaker 1: me was the one Jackie Alexander uploaded. And that was
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  Speaker 1: because Hailey Bieber noticed her. So she was filming when
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  Speaker 1: Hailey Bieber waded through the crowd. And Hailey walks past her,
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  Speaker 1: grabs onto her arm and says, I love your content. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that one popped up for me too. And I was like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my God, Jackie Alexander must have just died in
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  Speaker 1: that moment. And I think the reason that Hayley said
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  Speaker 1: it is probably because she does watch her videos, but
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  Speaker 1: also because she probably wanted to make it look as
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  Speaker 1: though she had hand selected the creators that were there,
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  Speaker 1: which has turned out to actually be a bad thing
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  Speaker 1: because of the lack of diversity.
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  Speaker 2: Let's be honest though, she wouldn't have had anything to
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  Speaker 2: do with the guest list.
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  Speaker 1: I actually thought that she looked so intimidated in that
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  Speaker 1: space that she almost saw a friendly face in Jackie
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  Speaker 1: and was like, oh, hello. Yeah, she was searching for
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  Speaker 1: a familiar face. In terms of the backlash, it actually
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  Speaker 1: started before the event. So content creator Georgia Dale wasn't
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  Speaker 1: happy from the get-go. So those not familiar with her,
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  Speaker 1: she has over 62,000 followers on TikTok and she shares
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  Speaker 1: makeup tutorials and Kmart hauls. Now, prior to the road event,
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  Speaker 1: she said this.
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  Speaker 4: I'm really trying not to be a hater here, but
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  Speaker 4: I already know who's going to these road events because
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  Speaker 4: you've gone to every other event this year and last
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  Speaker 4: year and the year before.
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  Speaker 2: What I'm trying to say is I'm a little bit bored.
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  Speaker 4: Like, girl, I already know you're gonna go meet Hailey
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  Speaker 4: Bieber and Margot Robbie and Jacob Lowry and like, I
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  Speaker 4: already know who's going. It's the same people that go
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  Speaker 4: to every event. And oh my God, call me a hater.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, yes, I wish I was there. I recognize
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  Speaker 4: that in myself. I would love to be doing what
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  Speaker 4: you're doing. As someone that views this content, I'm really bored.
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  Speaker 4: Everyone looks amazing. The outfits look good. I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: get a little transition moment, a little Hailey Bieber.
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  Speaker 3: You look great.
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  Speaker 2: Like can't wait to see the content. It's also just
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  Speaker 2: a little bit predictable.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we were kind of joking that these girls looked
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  Speaker 1: like your high school bullies. Maybe that's what it is
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  Speaker 1: as well, that we're sort of sick of these popular
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  Speaker 1: type people being only being invited to the cool events.
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  Speaker 1: We actually, as consumers, want to see influencers that also
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  Speaker 1: represent us. And I don't really think there's much of
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  Speaker 1: an excuse because the influencer industry is so vast now.
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  Speaker 2: It's oversaturated.
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  Speaker 1: We've got so many great smaller creators that would have
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  Speaker 1: actually jumped at the chance of going and actually put
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  Speaker 1: out something that their consumers would have got more out
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  Speaker 1: of than just seeing a montage of a pretty event. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's not 2016 anymore when we've only got a couple
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  Speaker 1: of big influencers. We are absolutely at saturation point. And
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  Speaker 1: it seems like brand agencies are just resting on their
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  Speaker 1: laurels and inviting the same people every time because maybe
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  Speaker 1: they can't be bothered to come up with another invite list.
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  Speaker 1: Was anyone else surprised that the Shameless Girls weren't there?
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  Speaker 1: Because they have had a longstanding partnership with Mecca. I
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  Speaker 1: think that they would have brought something creative to the event. Well,
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  Speaker 1: talking about podcasters, Lucy Jackson from Happy Hour actually commented
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  Speaker 1: on Georgia's video and she wrote, I think they should
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  Speaker 1: get us to interview Hailey Bieber and ask a hard hitter.
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  Speaker 1: Writer and creator Elyria Potter also added, always the same
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  Speaker 1: and always zero diversity. And these two women were left
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  Speaker 1: off the invite list, which I think is a bad move.
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  Speaker 2: They would have added a lot to it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I kind of am sensing a bit of a
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  Speaker 1: theme here. It Jade Tunchi was another influencer who was
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  Speaker 1: unhappy she was left off the invite list. So despite
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  Speaker 1: having 548,000 followers on Instagram and 513,000 on TikTok, she
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  Speaker 1: didn't make the cut. And last year, it was quite
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  Speaker 1: interesting because she opened up about how since she's become
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  Speaker 1: a mother, she hasn't been invited to a lot of
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  Speaker 1: these events that she previously would have. And she's also
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  Speaker 1: spoken about losing a lot of brand deals. And prior
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  Speaker 1: to becoming a mom, she was one of Australia's biggest
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  Speaker 1: fashion influencers in She consistently worked with brands like Prada, Gucci,
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  Speaker 1: Louis Vuitton. Let's take a listen to what she said.
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  Speaker 6: I want to know, okay, think about it, why more
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  Speaker 6: mummies aren't being invited to the cool person.
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  Speaker 5: Things, right?
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  Speaker 6: Because listen, we have money to spend, okay? Because we're
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  Speaker 6: not doing much and we're sitting at home and we're
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  Speaker 6: on our phones and we're online shopping and we're doing.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of that.
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  Speaker 6: And not only that, but sometimes we want a little,
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  Speaker 6: you know, treat to make ourselves feel good, right? And
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  Speaker 6: also we're very, we can be very influential. I trust
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  Speaker 6: lots of mothers now with their opinions. Word of mouth
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  Speaker 6: is very important. And as soon as a mom says
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  Speaker 6: this is good, I'm like, yes, thank you, Add to Cart.
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  Speaker 6: I don't have to go looking for the thing that
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  Speaker 6: you just recommended to me. So think about everyone loves
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  Speaker 6: Desperate Housewives. Everyone loves Terrence Mums.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone loves Terrence.
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  Speaker 6: That Mormon show with the.
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  Speaker 2: Mums in it.
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  Speaker 1: The ironic thing is Hayley Bieber is also a mum,
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  Speaker 1: which I sometimes forget. She has a son called Jack Blue. Kate,
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  Speaker 1: you started that trend, yeah. Well, it's funny because Jade
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  Speaker 1: actually said, look, I think I'd have more to chat
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  Speaker 1: about to Hayley Bieber because we are both mums. Their
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  Speaker 1: kids are a similar age. Also, Jade's 30, Hayley Bieber's 29.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny because I cracked up when I saw Rani
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  Speaker 1: Bransbury's video. So she was there at the event. And
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  Speaker 1: she said she never thought she would talk to Hailey
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  Speaker 1: Bieber about jet lag. So she was one of the
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  Speaker 1: influencers who actually managed to talk to her and she
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  Speaker 1: had her first positioned to record the conversation from beneath
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  Speaker 1: and she shared herself being like oh so how how's
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  Speaker 1: the jet lag how are you going it just seemed
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  Speaker 1: like the most boring conversation. She paid herself out about it. Look,
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  Speaker 1: no shade to Rani Bransby, but I didn't think that
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  Speaker 1: she was a very relevant influencer anymore. I mean, the
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  Speaker 1: last time I heard about her was when she was
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  Speaker 1: on a US trip with Michael Finch and Shiny Grimman
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  Speaker 1: and that gang back in what, 2018? Well, I think
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  Speaker 1: it's because she's a part of Jackie Alexander's group of friends.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what a lot of people were saying. People
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  Speaker 1: were saying, well, the only way to get an invite
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  Speaker 1: to these events is if you are on the brand
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  Speaker 1: agency's radar in terms of you're managed by them. or
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  Speaker 1: you're a part of an influencer clique. And I could
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  Speaker 1: see that because it does seem like the same influencers
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  Speaker 1: are getting invited to all of the same events. So
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  Speaker 1: all of the people we saw at the AO, they
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  Speaker 1: were at this event. They also then were at the
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  Speaker 1: Wuthering Heights premiere. And I'm pretty sure we're going to
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  Speaker 1: see them at the Grand Prix. I think the worst
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  Speaker 1: thing for Rode and Hailey Bieber is the fact that
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  Speaker 1: for years, Hailey Bieber has been battling this sort of
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  Speaker 1: mean girl persona that has been created about her online.
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  Speaker 2: And this sort of just feeds into it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was giving off that energy. And one TikToker
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  Speaker 1: called CallMeSammy, she was completely over it. She said that
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  Speaker 1: she found the event hard to watch. Let's take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to what she particularly had a problem with.
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  Speaker 3: There's like pictures of them on the makeup website and
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  Speaker 3: they're all like, and they're all like doing the fake laugh.
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  Speaker 3: Do the fake laugh in a photo.
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  Speaker 2: So we don't know that it's fake.
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  Speaker 1: So off the back of this clip going a little
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  Speaker 1: bit viral on TikTok, Jackie Alexander and Sofa Dofa hit
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  Speaker 1: back posting their own TikTok. So they were of course
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  Speaker 1: invited to live golf over the weekend in Adelaide and
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  Speaker 1: they shared a video of themselves fake laughing with the caption,
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  Speaker 1: influencers fake laughing is so insufferable. These fake influencer laughing
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  Speaker 1: photos and videos bring me back to 2016 when I
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  Speaker 1: was working at an influencer slash event sort of agency
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  Speaker 1: and all us girls working there would take all of
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  Speaker 1: these photos. And I thought they were quite cringe to
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  Speaker 1: look back at now, but maybe it's back in fashion.
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  Speaker 7: Who knows?
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  Speaker 2: They were insufferable at the time and they still are now.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Jackie's video didn't land, I think, the way she
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  Speaker 1: thought it would. Someone wrote, I thought the videos were
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  Speaker 1: about there being a lack of diversity. And she wrote, no,
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  Speaker 1: this has nothing to do with those videos. And then
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  Speaker 1: the person replied, out of all the critiques, both valid
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  Speaker 1: and vapid, you decided the vapid one requires airtime. To
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  Speaker 1: which Jackie responded, Not true if you used your eyes
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  Speaker 1: and braids. Now, I do have to point out there
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  Speaker 1: was some slight diversity. There were a couple of Asian
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  Speaker 1: and black creators at the event, but it was majority
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  Speaker 1: white skinny influencers. I mean, you just had to look
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  Speaker 1: at the vision from the event to see that, which
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  Speaker 1: to point out wasn't actually the fault of the influencers
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  Speaker 1: who were in attendance, because when you get invited to
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  Speaker 1: something like this, It's not like you get given the
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  Speaker 1: guest list. And also, I mean, with Jackie Alexander's video,
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  Speaker 1: I think she was actually trying to take the piss
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  Speaker 1: out of herself in that instance. Look, I'm a big
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  Speaker 1: fan of Jackie Alexander. And if someone has to fly
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  Speaker 1: the over 30s flag, I want it to be her. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like she was one of the only influencers
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  Speaker 1: that created interesting content from the event. And I do agree.
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  Speaker 1: It's the brand agencies who have planned this event and
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  Speaker 1: put the invite list forward that are to blame. And
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  Speaker 1: I actually think it would be beneficial to them to
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  Speaker 1: actually cast their net out wider and start inviting some
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  Speaker 1: smaller creators Because often those creators have more of an
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  Speaker 1: influence than the bigger ones. I think this really shows
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  Speaker 1: that we as consumers also need to take some responsibility
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  Speaker 1: and start following more diverse influences, more smaller creators. So
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  Speaker 1: they then get the opportunities when events like this come around.
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  Speaker 1: I think some people will say, well, hang on, Rode
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  Speaker 1: was clearly trying to target a Gen Z market. So
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  Speaker 1: they did that by inviting all of these influences. But
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  Speaker 1: if you've got an invite list of 200 people, why
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  Speaker 1: would you just hit the same demographic with those 200 people?
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  Speaker 1: Why not diversify it? And as Jade said, invite some
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  Speaker 1: of the influencers who appeal to mums. They've got money.
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  Speaker 1: Invite diverse people. You know, it doesn't make sense to
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  Speaker 1: invite all of the same people that have the same
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  Speaker 1: audience crossover.
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  Speaker 2: I actually do have a Valentine.
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  Speaker 1: Tammy Hembrough debuted her new band at the Sydney premiere
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  Speaker 1: of Wuthering Heights on Thursday night. On the red carpet,
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  Speaker 1: the new couple packed on the PDA in front of
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  Speaker 1: the camera's including a bum grab. Now you've got to
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  Speaker 1: give it to Tammy because she even managed to steal
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  Speaker 1: the spotlight away from Margot Robbie and Jacob Elordi.
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  Speaker 2: I saw this everywhere on Thursday night. It was crazy.
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  Speaker 1: The Daily Telegraph picked up on it. We shared a
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  Speaker 1: couple of reels that went absolutely viral. Now the new
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  Speaker 1: man in question is a guy called Grayson Tomoana and
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  Speaker 1: he is a 22-year-old Sydney-based model and aspiring actor. He
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  Speaker 1: has a very modest social media following of only 2.8
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  Speaker 1: thousand on Instagram and 1.2 thousand on TikTok, which is
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  Speaker 1: minuscule in comparison to Tammy Hembrough's 16.8 million followers.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: We need to talk about the age gap because it
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: has been a hot topic online. So Tammy is set
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: to turn 32 in April this year, while Grayson is 22.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: People did the math pretty quickly and worked out that
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: Grayson was 12 when Tammy's eldest son, Wolf, was born.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: Do you think it was fair? that people were picking
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: up on the age? If it was a man, would
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: we have been doing the math as much? No one
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: seemed to care when her ex-husband, Matt Sikowski, was dating
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: a woman in her early 20s at all.
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: That was just thought of as being the norm.
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm extra sensitive about this because my husband is,
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: I say four and a half, you guys say five
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: years younger than me. And I just think there's a
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: total hypocrisy when it comes to women dating younger men.
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: Look, it might be.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: My internalised misogyny, but I was shocked at the age difference.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: And I think it really came down to the fact
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: that Tammy has three kids. And, you know, as you said,
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: Wolf is 10 years old. There's only a 12 year
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: age gap there. I think when you look at a
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: 22 year old guy, you think, is he really in
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: this to be a stepdad to these kids? I mean,
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: I'm guessing he's just a bit of fun for the moment,
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: but I was shocked. I think a lot of people
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: were shocked. Why debut him on the red carpet if
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: he is a bit of fun? I think that that's
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: where my mind goes. For the attention. Well, I think
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: in terms of the age, in this situation, it comes
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: more down to life stages rather than the actual age.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: Because I think if Tammy didn't have kids and hadn't
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: been married and had a couple of engagements, then people
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: wouldn't really care. But it's the fact that, you know,
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: she's put it out there that she's going to be
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: a lot more careful moving forward and dating someone. And
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: then it just seems like she's making the same mistakes
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: all over again.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: It's so true.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Cause I think we've spoken about this before on the podcast.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: Someone said someone who's 35 and single with no kids
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: is younger than someone who's 27 married with three children.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: I think the thing with Tammy as well is that
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: we've all been on board of all these new relationships
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: and it kind of just seems like another train wreck
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: that's just about to happen. And you can't help but think, fuck, like,
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: you know, you need to be a bit more careful
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: when you're selecting who to date. Maybe a 22-year-old model
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: isn't the best option.
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Well, in terms of the timeline of this relationship, Grayson
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: was actually asked on the red carpet about when he
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: started dating Tammy, and he said it had been going
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: on for, quote, some time. According to the trail of
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: breadcrumbs that the couple and their friends have dropped on
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: social media, it appears that they actually first met at
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: a Showpo event back in late November. So, It seems
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: likely that Grayson was a plus one of his influencer friend,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Brayden Dunbar, who ended up posting a video of him
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: doing shots alongside Tammy and Grayson. Now, this was the
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: night that Tammy shared the mystery bicep on her TikTok.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: And a lot of people wondered if the arm belonged
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: to the big boss at her management company because he
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: had been photographed with his arm around her outside the
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: event that night. Then it seemed like Bailey Smith took
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: credit for it in that Tinder ad. So everyone's like, oh,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: he must have been it. However, we have had confirmation
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: in our DMs that the true owner of the bicep
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: is Grace. And in fact, he even reshared Tammy's post
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: at the time. These influencer events seem to really push
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: the two closer together because They then reunited at another
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: brand event in mid-January.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: This time it was at Runway, the label's yacht party.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: And Grayson's influencer friend Brayden documented their time on the yacht.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: It's pretty wild because I was looking back at the
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: content Tammy shared from this event, seeing if I could
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: spot Grayson in it. And he actually appears for a
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: couple of seconds in her reel. They're actually standing next
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: to each other. I mean, blink and you would have
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: missed it. But when you watch it on slow-mo, he's
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: definitely there. The timing was so interesting because the day
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: of the premiere... An interview with Tammy on her sister
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Emily's podcast dropped. So I listened to that as soon
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: as it came out. And in it, Tammy was speaking
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: about having a Valentine. And in the interview, she said
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: she was single and wasn't doing anything for Valentine's Day
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: because she was away for an event, which ended up
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: being Live Golf.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: But in the next breath, she said this.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm the single one.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: You guys have a partner. I don't get that.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: I don't have a partner to help me.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Like, guys, but speaking of Valentine's Day, I actually do
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: have a Valentine's Day. Oh, my God. Spill the tea.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: I'm not telling anyone anything, especially you two.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: What?
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: I think I saw his name on your phone.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: Amy.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Shut your mouth right now.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: When you were doing my makeup and your messages came up.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: It's just, like, nothing, though. It's just my Valentine's.
• 19:24
  Speaker 7: But I still think that's fun to just even have
• 19:28
  Speaker 7: someone to, like, you know, receive some flowers from or
• 19:32
  Speaker 7: like a cute little card. Amy, when you saw the name,
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: would I know it?
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Yes or no? I didn't know it. Okay. But, yeah,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: I try to stay out of that stuff, which is
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: why I didn't say anything.
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: Oh, trust me, girl.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to involve you in anything. I'm not
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: telling anyone anything into my life ever again. So like us.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: you're not telling us or you're not telling anyone? Literally
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: no one.
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: Not even friends?
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: You know what?
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Pat knows, my manager. He's the only person ever that
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: I'm telling anything to.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: I wonder if Grayson was spewing that he didn't get
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: an invite to live golf with Tammy.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Well, the papers are already labeling him fame hungry.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Well, I can see how they have drawn that conclusion.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: In terms of this podcast interview, it was so weird
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: because in it, Tammy was saying, oh, I'm not going
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: to tell anyone anything about this relationship. And then the
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: day the interview drops, she's then on the red carpet
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: with him like, was this all a quick turnaround in
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: terms of saying, oh, I'm actually going to hard launch him?
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: What happened? And then once the article started popping up
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: that night about Grace, and I noticed that Emily re-shared
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: a clip from her podcast where Tammy said, oh, I've.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Got a Valentine. So it seemed like they were all
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: trying to jump on the train of the big reveal.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: But what doesn't make sense is in that interview, she said, oh,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to share who it is. And then
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: she does. So it's like, It doesn't really make sense.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: I think something's obviously happened. But even the fact that
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: they shared a kiss on the red carpet, like it
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: was all incredibly attention seeking. To me, it's clear she's
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: just trying to steal the attention back from Matt Sikowsky,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: who's got a really good edit on I'm a Celeb.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Or potentially she's trying to distract from something else that
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: may be coming out about her soon. We have learned
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: throughout the years that this is a huge tactic of hers. Well,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: talking about Matt Sikowsky, she actually threw shade at him
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: on the podcast episode with Emily. So When she was
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: asked to share her best or worst Valentine's Day story,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: she said this.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Can you think of your worst? My worst was probably
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: last year. And that's all I'm going to say about that.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: What was last year? Oh no, the year before?
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: Whenever I was lost in a relationship. What was that?
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Let's just, let's move on.
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: Amy?
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: Amy?
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I remember seeing a photo of what Matt Zukowski got
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Tammy Hembrough for Valentine's Day two years ago.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: And you could just tell it's not what she wanted.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: It was like a jelly cat toy chili.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: And it was like their vows that were laminated.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: But really, I'm guessing Tammy would have wanted a big
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: bunch of roses. Well, they work better on the gram,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: don't they?
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but Matt Zukowski was always known for the petrol
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: station flower or the Woolies flower. So what was she expecting?
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: She knew going into it. Which is actually kind of
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: sweet now that you reflect on it. Sometimes it's a
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: bit much when you see those influencers getting those obnoxiously
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: large roses and you're.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Like, are these people in the real world? Like, yeah,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: it's usually the people that are fighting the most.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Well, in terms of Tammy's new relationship, it hasn't taken
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: long for it to be rocked by cheating allegations. So
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: the day after the movie premiere, Grayson's ex-girlfriend's sister and
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: friends came out swinging on TikTok. So one friend wrote,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: imagine you find out your 22-year-old boyfriend was cheating on
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: you with an extremely well-known influencer, a 31-year-old mum of
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: three kids. So you kick him out after he's lived
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: with you for eight months, despite him denying the allegations.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Just two days later, you're scrolling TikTok and you see
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: him now being hard-launched on the red carpet. That poor
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: girl having such a betrayal rubbed in her face so publicly.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Disgusting behaviour from the both of them. As for Grayson's
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: ex-girlfriend's sisters... They took it a step further. So under
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: a video of Tammy and Grayson at the premiere, one
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: sister shared a photo of what appeared to be Tammy
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: and Grayson cuddling in bed with the caption, he cheated
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: on my sister and these videos is how she found out.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Here is a photo of them not that long ago.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Now another sister added, Grayson Timoana, a man of mystery, dot, dot, dot.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: The 22-year-old keeps his girlfriend off his socials and reckons
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: maturing is realizing connections can take you further than education
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: ever can. So he decides to shack up with an
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: influencer while still with his girlfriend, then proceeds to lie
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: and manipulate her into thinking she's the one in the
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: wrong and that he didn't tell her things because she
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: would overreact. Proceeds to call her the C word, and
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: while she's left home crying while on the phone to
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: me for support, only a few short days later, he's
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: out on the red carpet necking and touching up Tammy,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: trying to gain clout. Thanks from said girlfriend's sister. In
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: terms of the quote that one of the sisters referenced saying,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: maturing is realizing connections take you further than education can ever.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: That was actually a caption on one of Grayson's recent
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: TikTok videos. What the fuck? I love the reaction from
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: the sisters. It's pretty iconic. I think that this is
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: something that we would do for one another if one
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: of us got fucked over by a guy. Grayson's actually
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: come out and denied the cheating allegations. So the Daily
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Mail are running with it as an exclusive. He's given
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: them a comment which says, just to clear things up,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: the narrative being shared about me online isn't accurate. I
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: haven't been in a relationship of any kind for over
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: three years. The claims circulating are simply false.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: We don't believe you, Grayson. Why do we not believe you?
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Which, have you seen the photos of him with the girlfriend? Like,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: from Christmas Day, like, they're putting the Christmas tree up together. Like, what?
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: This isn't a good sign for Tammy going forward, if
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: he is able to just lie like that. No, and
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: I think that the sisters confirm what we're all thinking
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: about Grayson being a clout chaser. I mean, it was
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: clear the moment I saw that his influencer friend was
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: tagging him under all the videos that he appeared on
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: from the launch. So even Influencer Updates AU, he put
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Grayson Timoana, like, I saw under the Daily Telegraph, one
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: of his friends tagged him and wrote, killing it, Grayson.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: He hasn't even got that many more followers because I
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: think he was sitting at like close to 3,000.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: It's only just clocked over to 3,000.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: I want to know what does Emily and Amy think
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: about Grayson because they were very open in their views
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: around Matt. Maybe they need to get Grayson on their podcast. Well,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: in Amy's podcast, when they were chatting to Tammy, they
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: did say that the name that was popping up was
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: one that they didn't recognise at all, referring that he's
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: not famous. I don't think that they'd be thrilled by
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: the fact that it's this 22-year-old wannabe content creator, part-time model. Yeah,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's crystal clear he wants to increase his profile.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: But as you said, Amy, I don't think it's going
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: to happen. Matt Zukowski barely got any new followers once
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: he started dating Tammy.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: If anything, people just liked him after dating her.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Did anyone else get the ultimate ick when they
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: went through Grayson's Instagram? Like, I usually love following people's boyfriends, particularly.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: With the job that we.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Have because I'm like, oh, maybe we'll see something interesting.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: You didn't follow, did you? No, I couldn't bring.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Myself to follow him because his little photo shoots, I
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, I just don't even want to look
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: at this. It's clear that he's pissed off that he's
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: not getting any followers because Tammy didn't end up sharing
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: any of the photos of them from the premiere. She
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: just posted pictures of herself and he commented under them, fire. Ew.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: The night of the Wuthering Heights premiere was actually wild
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: because if the photos of Grayson squeezing Tammy Hembrough's ass
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: on the red carpet weren't enough, panic stations reached an
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: all-time high when this clip of Tammy in Amy, her
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: sister's TikTok, resurfaced. So in a video posted three days earlier,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Tammy is heard saying this in the background. Now, when
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I heard this, I personally thought Tammy said, I think
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: I may be pregnant. And that is what the captions
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: of the video said. So Amy, her sister left the
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: caption saying, I think I may be pregnant. You can
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: actually edit that. I mean, I don't know why the
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: whole clip wasn't edited out to begin with. I listened
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: so many times and I could only hear her say,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: I think I may be pregnant as well. There were
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: a couple of comments on Amy's video saying, oh my God,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: did Tammy just say that?
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: So there were other people who agreed with that sentiment
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: as well.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: We ended up sharing the clip on our Instagram and
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Tammy actually commented underneath it, confirming that she was talking
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: about her sister, Amy, and confirming that she is not pregnant.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: She said, I said, Amy's pregnant.
• 27:33
  Speaker 7: Lol.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Then followed up with, which she's not.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: I still don't get why the clip featured in the video,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: even if she said she thought Amy was pregnant. Like,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: surely that would be something you'd cut out. To me,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: it definitely seemed like it was purposely kept in there
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: for engagement and as some sort of distraction technique.
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: I mean... This premiere just gave and gave because then
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: a clip of Tammy being interviewed on the red carpet
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: by a pedestrian also went viral. So she was asked
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: about her ex-husband Matt Sikowsky's appearance on I'm a Celeb.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: And this is what she said. I don't watch it.
• 28:05
  Speaker 7: So, I mean, I've been sent a few clips and
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: I mean....
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: What clips?
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Can you tell us which clips you've seen?
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, it has been a bit of tears that
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: I've seen.
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: And.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: I cry all the time, so it's okay.
• 28:21
  Speaker 7: Like, I don't know.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I don't really watch him though. I don't watch any
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: of that.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: For those who haven't seen the clip, Pedestrian zoomed up
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: on her face when she was giggling as well, which
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: really sort of emphasised that it.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Looked like she was poking fun at Matt.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: We actually had a lot of people messaging us to
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: talk about Tammy's appearance in the video because there were
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: a lot of negative comments saying, oh, is this what
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: she looks like without filters on? We saw similar commentary
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: on the Tinder video. I do feel bad even touching
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: upon this because she's clearly a beautiful woman with or
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: without filters on. But it is really interesting when you
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: do see influencers appearing in content that they don't have
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: control over themselves. And I actually love seeing people's imperfections
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: and the fact that they actually look human rather than
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: some blurred anime character.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Look, I actually think the lighting did her dirty.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: I don't think it was a true indication of what
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: she actually looks like because I saw Margot Robbie also
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: interviewed in a similar spot. And I mean, Margot Robbie
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: is an absolute goddess. And even the lighting was a
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: slightly unflattering to her. I mean, I don't think it
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: was the same level as poor Tammy's lighting, but yeah,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: I think lighting can definitely do a lot for you.
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: It was interesting because as we mentioned, Tammy Hembrough was
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: in Adelaide at Live Golf and my wedding photographer, and
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: also the photographer who did our, the mum's group photo shoot,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: shout out to Megan Cole. She's incredible. She was shooting
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: at the event and she took a couple of photos
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: of Tammy that Tammy ended up resharing and she looked
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: exactly like she does on her Instagram. So And they
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: obviously weren't edited to the max either. I think we
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: need to talk about what Tammy said about Matt because
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: the backlash was very swift to this video. People came
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: out swinging in support of Matt and criticized Tammy for
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: mocking him. It was interesting because the general consensus was
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: that Tammy should not have mocked her ex-husband for being
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: vulnerable and showing his emotions on TV. However, fellow influencer
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Steph Clare-Smith came into bat for Tammy. So she wrote, Well,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: maybe she's giggling out of nerves because who would like
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: to be asked about their ex like that on a
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: red carpet? It's uncomfortable. I'd probably giggle too. Look, I
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: understand that sentiment. I'm surprised that they got away with
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: asking that question. In saying that though, I think that
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Tammy has probably been so used to speaking about Matt's
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: appearance with her friends and they've all had a bit
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: of a laugh about, you know, he's become a bit
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: of a viral meme for crying when he was doing
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: that heights challenge. that she was so used to just
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: getting a different response. I don't think she realizes how
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: good that show has been for Matt and the sort
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: of turnaround we've seen of his public persona.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: People love him. There were so many.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: People saying, this is so incredibly unfair. Matt seems like
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: an absolute sweetheart. How dare you mock him? I was
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: pretty proud of Matt because the day after the premiere,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: he posted a thinly veiled response to Tammy. So In
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: a video posted to his Instagram story, he referenced the
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: very sad stat that two and a half thousand men
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: every year in Australia commit suicide. He then said this.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: One of the big ones is that men who show
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: vulnerability and emotions are criticized and belittled and made fun of.
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: And there is no safe environment to do that. And
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: I think that a man who cries and shows emotions
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: and vulnerability is it is a superpower and it shouldn't
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: be belittled or made fun of. It should be lifted
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: up and men should be encouraged to do that. And
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: I think if we are, there won't be as many
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: men wanting to commit suicide or feeling like they should.
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: There would be people around them and they'd be happy
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: to do that. So I feel like in today, in 2026,
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: there is no place to make fun of someone doing that.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Matt was incredibly articulate in this video. I was really
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: impressed with the way that he was able to convey
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: the message. And I think it impressed a lot of
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: other people as well. It's quite interesting because on Friday night,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: we shared Tammy's interview with Matt's response. And interestingly, Tammy's
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: ex-fiancé and the father of her youngest daughter, Posey, liked
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: our post. And this prompted a listener to write, Matt
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Poole liked this too, speaks volumes. To which Matt replied,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: I'll clear that up. There's nothing funny about men's mental health. Now,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: another person replied, whenever there's an opportunity to bash your
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: daughter's mother, you never miss it, as if you're waiting
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: for it. Now, he ended up responding to that as well, saying,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: so you're defending someone who mocks a man for vulnerability
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: and emotions. You think that men's mental health is a joke,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: speaks volumes for your character. This just adds even more.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Fuel to the fire that things are bad between Matt
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: and Tammy.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, definitely. And I don't think Annalise, Matt Paul's fiance,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: would have been too impressed either because over the weekend,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: she was single parenting not only her own son, Parker,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: who I think is around six to eight months old,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: but also her stepdaughter, Posey, Tammy Hembrough's daughter, while Matt
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: was commentating at an event. So she had two kids
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: the whole weekend while Tammy was at Live Golf. No
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: shade to Tammy. Of course, she can go to influencer events,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: but obviously when tensions are high, you're not going to
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: be that impressed that you're looking after two children while
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: the other parent is off having an amazing time. I've
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: recently started following Annalise and I really like her, I
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: think because our sons are a similar age and She
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: is really posting the realities of what it's like to
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: have a young child. And she's recently got a sleep
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: consultant in because they've been absolutely struggling with his sleep.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: And I just think what an absolute legend looking after
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: her own son and also her stepdaughter in such a
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: beautiful way. But yeah, it does seem it is sad
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: that tensions seem to be high between the two families. Well,
• 33:57
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• 33:59
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