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INTERVIEW: Marco Plus Talks Southern Hip Hop, Touring With J.I.D., New School Influence + More · The Breakfast Club

• 0:01
  Speaker 1: Every day a week ago.
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  Speaker 2: Click up the Breakfast Club finish for y'all done morning.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody's Steve j n V Jess hilarious, Charlamagne the guy
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  Speaker 1: we are the breakfast Club. Law La Rosa is here
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  Speaker 1: as well. We got a special guest in the building
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  Speaker 1: and on our breakfast Club am Twitch chat as well.
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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, we got Marco plus welcome.
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  Speaker 3: Yo, this is crazy. How are y'all doing? I'm kind
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  Speaker 3: of nervous. I can't cat.
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  Speaker 2: Why is this crazy? Marco? Why are you nervous? What?
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  Speaker 3: This is my childhood? Like they're serious. I was watching
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  Speaker 3: my boy Ruben up here with knife yeah, and Night
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  Speaker 3: said something about how this is like one of the
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  Speaker 3: last places where you can come get some credibility for real,
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  Speaker 3: Like everything gone. I ain't gonna lie, I ain't. I
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  Speaker 3: honestly didn't think I was gonna make it up here.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know you've been gone by the time you
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  Speaker 2: popped up, but it took away to be to you Award.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, what that's crazy, like you never know
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  Speaker 3: what's gone?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, sir? How old you twenty seven? And the
• 1:05
  Speaker 3: turned twenty eight in a couple of days.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, we've been on half of your life, yes, sir. Yeah,
• 1:09
  Speaker 4: when you first get tapped in, you think.
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  Speaker 3: I I'm young, but I got old. Sol I've seen
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  Speaker 3: the ray j fab joint.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, wow, you see this was he wasn't because
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  Speaker 1: he would have been now you'd have been.
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  Speaker 3: Your mom would have about fifteen. I got kept back
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  Speaker 3: right in like the eighth grade, so you see. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: damn Sean, I was bad yea, yeah see I got cammability,
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  Speaker 3: like I ended up in the class. So uh when
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  Speaker 3: I when I started doing homeschool the next year, I
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  Speaker 3: ain't do that work either.
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  Speaker 1: Just watch this breakfast club raige was crazy.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah that's well, thank you, Marchael. We appreciate you skipping
• 1:52
  Speaker 4: school to watch us.
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  Speaker 1: So you are, of course, you're a rapper from Atlanta, yes, sir,
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  Speaker 1: originally born in Florida, Yes, sir, and tell us how
• 2:00
  Speaker 1: what got you into to rap? Because you're unlike I
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  Speaker 1: would say a lot of the rappers. Now, you got
• 2:05
  Speaker 1: a different way of doing it. So what got you
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  Speaker 1: into what you do?
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  Speaker 2: Now?
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  Speaker 3: Honestly, it's kind of like embedded, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: My whole family is kind of musical. My granddad, I
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  Speaker 3: think it starts with him. He owned a label in
• 2:17
  Speaker 3: Pensacola from like the eighties to the nineties. I think
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  Speaker 3: it was like TSIM or something. It wasn't really very
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  Speaker 3: big and like some some some flaw stuff happened with
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  Speaker 3: like co owners and stuff like that. But like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: like just the whole family, especially the immediate family, Like
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  Speaker 3: we're all kind of talented. I think I'm just the
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  Speaker 3: one that actually had the chance to get out there
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  Speaker 3: and do something with it. To be honest, I've been
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  Speaker 3: wrapping my whole life brou my. I remember I remember
• 2:45
  Speaker 3: being like a Hot Boys fan as a child, Like
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  Speaker 3: I have a very I have a very strong memory.
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  Speaker 3: It goes far back. I could say, like two thousand.
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  Speaker 3: I was trying to like look like Layne.
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  Speaker 2: And b G.
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  Speaker 5: I can see that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, what we inspiration? So they weed inspirations, Yeah them
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  Speaker 3: tip uh geezy. As I got older, it was probably
• 3:10
  Speaker 3: like I like, I like Prodigy from my deeper lot.
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  Speaker 3: We got the same birthday and.
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  Speaker 2: You name it awesome, you name it some heavy hitters.
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  Speaker 2: I like this.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Man.
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  Speaker 1: The crazy thing about Prodigy, I think people are starting
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  Speaker 1: to find a new respect for him. In the last
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  Speaker 1: couple of years, Yeah, long Live Pe.
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  Speaker 3: He was talking a lot of a lot of real stuff,
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  Speaker 3: A lot of real stuff. That's one of my favors ever.
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  Speaker 3: I think Infamous is one of the best albums ever.
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  Speaker 4: Definitely is a lot of your music touches on like pain, reflection.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you tap into, you know, mental health a
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  Speaker 4: lot when you write. Are you you venting or are
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  Speaker 4: you think healing or just documenting?
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's so crazy. I just started realizing that's
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  Speaker 3: how I I kind of heal from things. My girlfriend
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  Speaker 3: told me I don't talk, so like I realized I
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  Speaker 3: do most of my talking and my music I do
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  Speaker 3: most of it.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like you don't like too many people either.
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  Speaker 3: I hate people tell.
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  Speaker 1: Not not for listen to your music.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's just like, I don't know, man, I
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  Speaker 3: kind of have a I have a super sense of
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  Speaker 3: what's the word, cognizance. I can keep in people's cap
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  Speaker 3: I know when somebody it's kind of being weird, and
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  Speaker 3: everybody be weird. So it's like sometimes I'd rather just
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  Speaker 3: stay away.
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  Speaker 2: Do you approach people with an open mind? Though?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, you got to. You gotta give everybody
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  Speaker 3: grace in every situation. But At the same time, I
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  Speaker 3: don't give people too many times to to show me
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  Speaker 3: like after like when I first heard the whole fool
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  Speaker 3: me once, shame on you, I felt like it shouldn't
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  Speaker 3: be no fool me twice. It's a shame on me
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  Speaker 3: if you fool me once.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway, I feel like that, especially in the work environment. Boy,
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  Speaker 4: were still getting fooled up here by people.
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  Speaker 5: So is that how you grew up there? Like did
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  Speaker 5: you grow up introverted? Or are you just not a
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  Speaker 5: people's person at all? Did anything happen I had?
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  Speaker 3: I got a lot of family. I got a lot
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  Speaker 3: of family. So honestly, I don't be feeling like I
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  Speaker 3: need friends because it's like I just called my cousins,
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  Speaker 3: call my brothers. I wouldn't say I was necessarily introverted
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  Speaker 3: up until a certain point, up until like my whole
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  Speaker 3: life became trying to write at sixteen every day. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I got kind of like shut in for.
• 5:17
  Speaker 2: The for the chat.
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  Speaker 1: That's what everybody know. This is Marvel plus we're talking
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  Speaker 1: to if you just joined us, yes, sir, rapping all
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  Speaker 1: this from Atlanta.
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  Speaker 6: I was going to ask how you went from so
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  Speaker 6: your background in music not really liking people, but finding
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  Speaker 6: you way in the industry where you gotta deal with people,
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  Speaker 6: and then you get co signed and you're now distributing
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  Speaker 6: your music through rock Nation. That's yeah, you know how
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  Speaker 6: shout out to the gang. So what was your how
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  Speaker 6: did you meet people from rock Nation and how did
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  Speaker 6: that all come about?
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  Speaker 3: Honestly, I was leaving another situation and I honestly didn't
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  Speaker 3: know where I was going, but I just knew that
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  Speaker 3: they were showing interest like some I think it was
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  Speaker 3: one of my friends who had signed there. I think
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  Speaker 3: he still signed there. He like, he just told me, like, yo,
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  Speaker 3: these people talk talk about you up here all the time,
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  Speaker 3: and I was like, I need something to do the
• 6:07
  Speaker 3: other do and they was. That was real quick with
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  Speaker 3: it as well. It was like one month we were
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  Speaker 3: just talking and in the next month I was signed. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's pretty cool.
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  Speaker 1: But it's just distribution. So you still got to handle
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  Speaker 1: everything yourself.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. And I love it that way though.
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  Speaker 3: I like it that way. I like to be able
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  Speaker 3: to control my time frame and all of that stuff,
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  Speaker 3: just be able to like I could put out a
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  Speaker 3: song that I made two weeks ago. A lot of
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  Speaker 3: people can't do that. Yeah, that's a blessing right there.
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  Speaker 1: But it's costly though, because you got to pay for everything. Correct,
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  Speaker 1: they they help out. Yeah, okay, so it's more than distribution. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying that crazy?
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 4: I know, Jim shout you out a lot of chance
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  Speaker 4: to why'd you tap into those guys?
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  Speaker 2: Uh Ji?
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  Speaker 3: It's funny. Uh. It was like twenty twenty one, right
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  Speaker 3: he somebody posted something on Instagram and he was like
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  Speaker 3: rapping an unreleased song from his album Forever Story, if
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  Speaker 3: I'm not mistaking. The song was crack Sandwich and he
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  Speaker 3: ripped it. But I'm a rapper, so I commented, like, Yo,
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  Speaker 3: this is hard, but wait till I dropped. And he's
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  Speaker 3: seen that, and he just remembered. He just remembered it
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  Speaker 3: and waited till I dropped. Yeah, and then he posted
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  Speaker 3: the song he posted lately if I'm not mistaken, And honestly,
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  Speaker 3: that's kind of where my career fully started.
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  Speaker 2: If I wow. So he posted it. Did he say
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  Speaker 2: it was hard too?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, he hit me up.
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  Speaker 3: We really talked down there every week two weeks at
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  Speaker 3: this point. Real cool, dude.
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  Speaker 4: The reason I respect that is because a lot of
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  Speaker 4: artists on to come up wouldn't embrace another artist on
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  Speaker 4: the come up.
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  Speaker 2: People be feeling threatened, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing for sure.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't feel like that with you at all.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Nah, I think it's more so a kindred spirit
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  Speaker 3: type thing because it's like just being from the A.
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  Speaker 3: We kind of like the underdog, just off rip. No
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  Speaker 3: matter how hard we is, we're just the underdog because
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  Speaker 3: it's like everybody not gonna listen to us. Everybody's not
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  Speaker 3: gonna want to listen to us. So I really think
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  Speaker 3: it's one of those things where it's like he just
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  Speaker 3: he seeing me wanting to make something more of not
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  Speaker 3: just myself but of our scene, and he was like,
• 8:28
  Speaker 3: all right, I gotta I gotta put on for that.
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  Speaker 4: You and Jen represent like a lane of the A,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm glad it is kind of making a resurgence.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I grew up off the Dungeon family. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: goodie mon outcast and that.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 4: They don't get me wrong, it's crude off that tree
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  Speaker 4: for sure, Like the Killer Mike's you know, lyricists like
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  Speaker 4: t I, but like y'all are really in that space
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  Speaker 4: of like, man, this is the Atlanta that I grew
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  Speaker 4: up on.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, sir, I wonder what that's about though, you know
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  Speaker 3: what I'm saying, I wonder why we like because I
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  Speaker 3: really don't have no idea of why I like. I
• 9:01
  Speaker 3: was attracted to the style that I do. Like I'm from,
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  Speaker 3: I'm from like Atlanta, Atlanta. All I really know is
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  Speaker 3: defo l You know what I'm saying. I know is
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  Speaker 3: young droer. All I know I get busy lyricists. Come on, man,
• 9:17
  Speaker 3: I'm so happy you said that.
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  Speaker 4: But and I guess you know, it's just different ways
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  Speaker 4: to do socially conscious music. Yeah, I mean, y'all does
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  Speaker 4: socially conscious show. You know, Mike definitely does socially conscious music.
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  Speaker 4: It's just different ways to do.
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  Speaker 3: It, Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 5: So the name of your album is Marco Plus Versus
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  Speaker 5: the Underworld.
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  Speaker 3: Marco plus versus the Underworld.
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  Speaker 5: So break that down. What what is you versus the Underworld?
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  Speaker 3: The Underworld is? Honestly, well, number one is dealing with.
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  Speaker 2: Your shadow side.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah see that's yeah. That it's me coming from where
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  Speaker 3: I come from and just the pitfalls of being from
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  Speaker 3: the area where I'm from. It's about the underworld is
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  Speaker 3: the industry. The under world is my emotions. The underworld
• 10:03
  Speaker 3: is infidelity, trust issues, all of that. I feel like
• 10:08
  Speaker 3: I chose the word the underworld because all of that
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  Speaker 3: shit could feel like or excuse my language, it can
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  Speaker 3: feel like hell, you know what I mean. So that's
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  Speaker 3: kind of where I was coming with, you know what
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying. And of course Scott Pilgrim versus the World
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  Speaker 3: that was a fire movie. Yeah, so was the depression, trauma,
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  Speaker 3: just all of it, like a culmination of all of it.
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  Speaker 3: You know, sometimes you don't know where your depression come
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  Speaker 3: from until you actually dig deep by y'all, just be
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  Speaker 3: sad like so like just just having to realize that
• 10:41
  Speaker 3: nobody gonna do it for me. Ain't nobody really gonna
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  Speaker 3: outside of you know, your family, and nobody gonna love
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  Speaker 3: you for real like you and this by yourself. And
• 10:53
  Speaker 3: that's I feel like it's just a journey. It's like
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  Speaker 3: the project is a journey for me come from. I'm
• 10:58
  Speaker 3: sorry a few things I ain't gonna lie. I was
• 11:02
  Speaker 3: depressed as hell when I was a kid for some reason,
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  Speaker 3: like and I ain't like granted, I probably didn't even
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  Speaker 3: know what I meant. But it was one day at school,
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  Speaker 3: I forgot what we was doing in gym. I couldn't
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  Speaker 3: do it. Push up it was right it it was
• 11:18
  Speaker 3: something crazy, I don't know, but I told them folks
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to kill myself. Them folks called my mama
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  Speaker 3: so fast, and they thought my mama was was like
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  Speaker 3: abusing me or something.
• 11:31
  Speaker 4: Oh, did you really feel that way or you just
• 11:33
  Speaker 4: was upset about what happened in gym?
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  Speaker 2: Bruh.
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  Speaker 3: See, that's the thing. I think I was just sad.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was just sad sometimes, Like I don't
• 11:41
  Speaker 3: know if I wanted to die, like death, I don't
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  Speaker 3: even know if I understood the concept of it. But
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  Speaker 3: then like it was like I like later on, I
• 11:52
  Speaker 3: kept having like just little problems in my head, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like I don't know if it was coming from like
• 11:58
  Speaker 3: having having us a tad less than everybody, so like
• 12:02
  Speaker 3: you don't got the same type of swag, you don't
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  Speaker 3: got the same type of things, or whether it's like
• 12:07
  Speaker 3: me not seeing my pops a lot, like just because
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  Speaker 3: like we was in different places at the time. I
• 12:13
  Speaker 3: don't know where it came from. Depression is a sticky
• 12:15
  Speaker 3: it's like a it's a weird thing. It's a very
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  Speaker 3: weird thing.
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  Speaker 1: I always wonder. I always wondering with depression, like what
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  Speaker 1: you're dealing with? Is it because you've seen it and
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: people talked about it so much. Right when I was
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  Speaker 1: a kid, that wasn't a thought, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: It's like you can't push its either you're gonna try,
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: or you're gonna joke your way out of it, or
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: you fail. But nowadays, I feel like that's the that's
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: a reaction that a lot of kids hear and see.
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: So that's that emotion that they go to even like you,
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: even if they don't mean it, but when they say it,
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: it opens up a can of worms because you never
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: know if they're saying it because they really mean it,
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: if there's a problem at home. So I always wonder
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: when when you thought it, like where that came from?
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  Speaker 1: Where that feeling came from?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, man, honestly, I'm not I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think that I never got to the bottom
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  Speaker 5: of it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I feel like it's a lot of people who
• 13:02
  Speaker 3: trying to figure out why they don't feel full, And
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I kind of been I've been one
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  Speaker 3: of those people. Sometimes I'm still am I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like we all just kind of go through
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  Speaker 3: our things and get through them. Sometimes people brain receptors
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  Speaker 3: be different.
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  Speaker 6: To figure it out, I was going to say, you said,
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  Speaker 6: do you feel like you're one of those people that
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  Speaker 6: still battles with that? When I was listening to it?
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  Speaker 6: So I listened to the opening on the project, and
• 13:31
  Speaker 6: it felt like that. It felt like you're talking about
• 13:32
  Speaker 6: so many different things, but it felt like a battle
• 13:34
  Speaker 6: between you have hope and then you lose it, but
• 13:36
  Speaker 6: you're still pushing through. You say they lost hope, they
• 13:38
  Speaker 6: convinced that God don't listen at one point?
• 13:40
  Speaker 5: Did you feel like God.
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  Speaker 6: Wasn't listening to you or this is just what you're
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  Speaker 6: seeing and then you're freakant it.
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  Speaker 3: That's a very loaded question because honestly, I feel like
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  Speaker 3: I battle with the idea of faith Sometimes a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people probably wouldn't have said that, But like dog
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  Speaker 3: all right, who am I to say that the man
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  Speaker 3: from wherever he's from is wrong because he read another
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  Speaker 3: book when he was like younger, and his family and
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  Speaker 3: doctrinated him into this, Like I would feel wrong, and
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  Speaker 3: like not only that, what if I spent my whole
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  Speaker 3: life believing in something and then I go to hell,
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  Speaker 3: like go to another hill, Like you feel what I'm saying. Like,
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  Speaker 3: so it's honestly, it's honestly a confusing thing. Like, of
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  Speaker 3: course I believe that God is real, I just don't understand.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes that's fine.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think that is confusing for anybody, as long
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  Speaker 4: as you just admit we really don't know. We really
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  Speaker 4: don't as everybody think they fucking know exactly going on,
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  Speaker 4: and they don't like that.
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  Speaker 2: You read what you read, you believe what you believe,
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  Speaker 2: and it is what it is. You really you don't know.
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  Speaker 5: That's my whole and I just respect your vulnerability because,
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  Speaker 5: like you said, a lot of people wouldn't say that.
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  Speaker 5: A lot of people are afraid to let out the
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  Speaker 5: things in their head.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: See, I gotta cut youry. Family don't play about that.
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  Speaker 3: My daddy's side on the church, like it's like, they
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  Speaker 3: don't play about that. But the Higher Power gave me
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  Speaker 3: this mind for a reason. You know what I'm saying.
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: You know, it's a higher power exactly, and that's all.
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  Speaker 2: That's all.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, Yo, I think about I always think about, like, okay,
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: think about before there was anything called religion, right, and
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: it was just humans here on this planet.
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  Speaker 2: They just knew that there was a higher power exactly.
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  Speaker 4: It just wasn't all of these different religions with all
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: these different practices and rituals and you have to be
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: here on this Sunday and you gotta do things like this. No,
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: I don't think that's how any of this should be.
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: In fact, man, a lot of it was was creative
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: for control exactly.
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: But that's a whole nother story. That's a whole other story.
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: Some Mark plus versus the Underworld is the storytelling. Basically,
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: you're telling stories about your journey, yes, from then to now?
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, it's it's really like I'm really I
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: was really trying to paint the picture of a young
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: man coming of age and trying to trying to make
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: a name for himself while dealing with all of these
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: types of issues because a lot of people don't understand, like, yeah,
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: we musicians, but like we got real life, like real
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: life things going on. So it's like, yeah, like this
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: is the main mission, but I gotta I gotta kind
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: of conquer all of these other things and it just
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: becomes a very difficult trip sometimes.
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: So when do you have fun? What do you enjoy doing?
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: When do you feel full? Do you have times that
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: you feel full?
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: When I went with my kid, Yeah, when I want
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: my daughter, for sure. When I with my girlfriend, I
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: smoke a lot.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: What crazy?
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I'll be cooling. Man, I need to figure
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: out what to do to relax. I don't know how
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: to relax. I feel like my shoulders are tense right now.
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: I literally told my wife I went to the dinners,
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: and the dinners on me. You always clenching your teeth.
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: You gotta stop clenching your teeth.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: I just learned I do that in my sleep. Yeah,
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: I learned. We're not supposed to rest our tongue at
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: the top of our mouth.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Mhmm.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: That's crazy like that that's a sign of life. Even
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: though I can do that, right, You just got a list.
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: His tongue too thick. Sometimes press it at the top of.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: The roof of your mouth, though.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: I need to start doing that and get a retainer
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: or something. Yeah, grinding my teeth, man, that.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Guy, I don't know. I don't know. You're figuring it out.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know. How you figure that out?
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: Crazy?
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: Do you have a sense of yourself to fear that
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: like being too vulnerable change out like fans.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: And see, nah, I gotta it scared me because the
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: the ratneyal week as hell and they'll try to like
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: take advantage of you or like play you for a laye,
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: like just because you like you yourself. But I fade
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: any one of y'all. That's just honestly how I feel like.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: I feel like your your supporters are your supporters for
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: a reason. They're gonna understand and feel you because they
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: like you connect from this certain place, whether it be
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: one part of the music or the other. But yeah,
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: sometimes I'd be like, that's kind of why I be
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: distant from a lot of people too. It's like a
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: vulnerable god be I'd be, I'd be cool. And I'm
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: also like a very like if I say you my
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: partner or people people people who don't respect that all
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: the time.
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: So with that being said, right, how does collaborations go?
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: How do you think about that?
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: I got my I got my few friends that I
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: like to rap with, of course, but honestly, when it
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: comes to songs, I'm willing to make music with anybody.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: It just has to be right. This doesn't mean I
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: have to be friends with everyone. But I have no
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: problem making great music because music is that's what it's for.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: Like we're all supposed to collaborate and make something fresh
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: and new and like something for people to love. And
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: I don't got no problem with none of that, just respect.
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: Do you have dream collaborations? Like who would you dream to.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Collaborate with Kendrick Drake?
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Uh, you still want to do his song with Drake?
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: What by that? I'm conn by that be Kendrick first lie,
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: I'm a Kindrick fan. I'm a Drake fan too, though
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: it's just like I was. I was I was a teen,
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: like I had a point of this food gave me
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: take care like a week old, Like it was a
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: week old. I've never heard it. I ain't like the
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: only song like I think headlines is out of course
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: all that stuff. He just gave me the album and
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: that's really That's really when I became a Drake super
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: fan for sure. But I'm like, I think it was
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: like the BT Awards two thousand and eleven, the Hip
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: Hop Awards, That's the first time I ever heard Kenrick Camark.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: It was like the cipher. That's what made me a
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: fan of Kendrick for real. So that like I was
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: like thirteen fourteen, Yeah, like I can't I can't escape that.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: I can't escape him as a rap fan. Or you
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: loved the back and forth between them.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Honestly I hated it, really, bro You guys shouldn't make
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: music together. I don't. I don't want you guys to
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: be just that's not what I wanted. Like it was
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: like it was entertaining. It was entertaining in the in
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: the moment, like it got too nasty, they got too Yeah,
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: I ain't gonna lie. Just it was like it was
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: like I loved it.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah he's.
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: But you thought it was a good thing when was like, nah,
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: we don't need to be.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: Doing that, not in the moment, because I was in
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: the moment like these niggas fighting, you know what I'm saying.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: But I ain't gonna lie. That's like, for his piece
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: and for his sanity, that is the realest thing you
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: could do.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we've seen it after he's seen him fall, But
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: we've seen it after.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Yeah, get out Kendrick way.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: He bought all your.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Because once it goes that personal, there's no getting back
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: to it.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Sure, I want to ask you. You know, I was
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: looking through your videos and one of the biggest things
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: a lot of your fans says they feel like YouTube
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: shadow band you.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Ah yeah, I don't know who does.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: That come from? That true?
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Because I mean, it wasn't just once I see Thatt, Like.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know what that's about. I've been smoking with
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: my videos. I don't know. I don't know if it's
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: like if it's that.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: So you see it too, You see what when people
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: say I.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Definitely think I should be one of those two hundred
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: thousand views of video artists for sure, and but I
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: just don't. I don't look at it like that because
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: I just look at like I just came out in
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, you know what I mean, Like I
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: have a I have a million years to garner these views.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: So I just I don't be really tripping, you know
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: what I mean?
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Do you chase the mainstream? Do you want to be mainstream?
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Or I want to be the biggest rapper ever. I
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: want to be the biggest musician ever. I love that
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: I raped great, but a lot of people don't understand
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: that this ship is just how I have like how
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: I how I release my art, but I can do
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: everything else. Like it's just everybody has their starting point.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Everybody has their starting point. Michael Jackson didn't start off
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: with thriller like yeah, like he started off with his
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: brothers and stuff like everybody five, you know, come on,
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: But that's what I'm saying. It's like, it's like Tears
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: of Greatness exactly. And I have no problem taking the
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: route I gotta take to become one of them.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: You're taking the stance. I'm glad you said that. I'm
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: tired of hand these people lie talking about. Don't care
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: about sales.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: I don't care about the biggest.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: You want to be the biggest, Hey, I want to
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: be the biggest ever. Like and that's a that's a
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: that's a tall ask, but I don't care.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: But if you but if you set your bar that high,
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: you'll hit a high point.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: You'll get somewhere exact.
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: I mean, you may not nobody gonna be Michael Jackson,
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: nobody gonna be, but you'll get you'll get up except probably.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: Young boy, is what I learned in the past month.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: NBA.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, numbers wise, No.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: The way them people will have a seizure when they
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: see him impact. Yeah, numbers wise, hell no, Michael Jackson
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: sold what what what is throw million? Come on, dog,
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: that's that's that's over ten times domon.
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: When you see the impact.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: That's interesting. Ahead No, I was gonna say, that's interesting.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: I think I think what helped Young Boy is the
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: fact he was on house arrest all those years. Yeah,
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: and you know it was it was a air of
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: mysteriousness about him. You know, I think that that that's
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: lost in this era. People are too accessible.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: To It's kind of like the Kendrick thing when you
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: think about Yeah, but their fans don't realize that they're
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: kind of the same type of artists, like in terms
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: of how they treat the public, how they treat their
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: public life. It's just young but kind of erratic. So
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: it's like you're gonna see more of that.
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: I know, question for that.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: It's fun.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at the chat in the chest believes it. It
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: was like Young Boy is definitely will surpass. It's like
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: for this generation, he is the Michael Jackson for guy.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: You know, I feel like I feel like a lot
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: of people a lot of people conflate the two from
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: like musicality standards and literally how these people treat you
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: when you walk out the house. Consonat is another guy
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: on that level. Like my point, these guys can lead
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: the house and they won't get any like peace unless
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: they got three security guards with them.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: But you know what y'all are seeing now, y'all are
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: actually seeing real celebrity. And there's a lot there there is.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: There's a couple of real celebrities still left. Because of
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: the social media era, everybody is so accessible. Everybody looks
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: so regular and playing Jake alrighty city bikes.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: The damn.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: So it's different.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: Like some people still get treated like real celebrities out here,
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: and I think it's because of how much access you
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: get for But what.
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: What young artists and there like and be a young
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: boys age has that celebrity because they're they're all over
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: social media, Like it's hard to do both.
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: They're doing both.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: I've seen conson that God bless overseas and nobody care.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: That's how it be.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: But that not for Michael Jackson. Why y'all keep talking
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: about Michael. Stop comparing tobody. Nobody compared to Michael Jackson.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: That ain't no old stuff.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Just go back and.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Watch you know who have them niggas overseas speed for real.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: But it still ain't like Michael.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Right outside the airport for that man's playing the land.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's about how much Michael and Countries World Leader
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: would greet him.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Think about how think about how like the level of
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: astique you just like had by design as a top
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: artist in the eighties and nineties, Like a lot of
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: people don't got that chance. Like you have to post
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: on the internet, Michael Jackson. All he had to do
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: was drop a video and his lebel handle the rest
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: of it. It was, it was a different thing and
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: everybody didn't have phones. Everybody didn't have phones like that exactly.
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: But now before you even said I showed speed, everybody
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: was saying that in the chair, like speed speed to
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: get crazy, get out of the country.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Do you like that part of it, the part where
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: they say you have to post, you have to be
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: because people want to know more than just listening to
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: your music.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: I have. You can ask my team. I have the
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: hardest time posting.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: They laughing behind you.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I had the hardest time, and it's not because
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: I don't care about posting, but it's because I'd be
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: overwhelmed with it, Like it's very overwhelming, Like, yeah, I'm
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: a young guy, but I'm also from the era of
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: right before it got this hectic, right before everything was
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: super duper. Oh, you can post an Instagram story, you
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: can post a real like it was just a square.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: You would literally just be able to post a picture,
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: post a tweet when you had to retweet, like you
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: couldn't quote it. It was like it said rt next to
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: the tweet, Like I'm from that era. So it's kind
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: of it'd be kind of difficult for me to try
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: to latch on.
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: You go back on Facebook now, like it looked like
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: a whole different world.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, it's crazy.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: It's crazy. Facebook is not the same, you know.
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: No, it's not talk about the tension between up Next
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: and up Now that you explore with this project and
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: what that even means up next versus up now or
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: and so I.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Feel like I feel like up Next is kind of
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: like a leash. I feel like it's kind of like
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: a leash for sure, because it's like how long am
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: I going to be up next? How long are you
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: all going to keep telling me that, like when are
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: y'all gonna actually like push you know what I'm saying
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: for the guy to be up, not even just me,
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: because this can go for anybody. Like I just feel like, uh,
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: if y'all gonna say somebody next up, say it once
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: or twice and then just let the guy be the
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: one up. That's just how I be feeling.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: Or to your point about is there used to be
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: a time where you could see it right, like you knew, Okay,
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: here go Marchael Plus in the beginning he got a
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: mixtape or whatever. Yeah, oh okay, Now Michael Plus just signed.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: Oh Michael Plus. Now he on you know, b T
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: or MTV or whatever it is. Oh, now Margall Plus
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: without a single, Oh Michael Plus for out of album.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Oh he went platinum. Now he's on Award show.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: Like you could see it nowadays, you can't really see
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: where it starts to end.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's exact. That's exactly. It's such a blur.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: It is a complete blur. Everybody's career is like it's
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: so it's weird. It's weird, but I think it might
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: be for the better for these guys.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: But let Chase Records to them. Yeah, they're not a
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: lot of times they're not chasing the artists. They're not
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: trying to build a brand and build an artists slow.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: They they see a song on on Spotify, they see
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: a song on TikTok, and they chase music. Yeah, and
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: usually they artist has one song, they got a year max.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: And then you never see them again.
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: Right in the chat, just said the lifespan for rappers
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: nowadays is so short, max is two years.
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: I think they're just talking about the art, not that life.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, not for sure. Uh, it's I feel like it's
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: it's two reasons for that. I feel like, of course,
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: the attention span of the fan and the ego of
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: the artists. Uh. I'm trying to I'm trying to practice
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: what I preach by actually like making sure I can
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: do all the work. But yeah, a lot of people
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: kind of get complacent, get jaded. If one thing doesn't work,
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: they forget, like they forget to keep going. But if
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: something does work, they forget to keep going, you.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can't I don't know, I can't move
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: like that from the south side, right, Yeah, College Park.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: What does the south side sound like to you.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Honestly, all of Atlanta. It's kind of like it's kind
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: of like, all right, so the way the South Side
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: is everybody is from I feel like everybody from the
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: from the West Side for real, or like just the
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: center of Atlanta, and then they moved out and spread out.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: So I grew up with a lot of folks like, yeah,
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: we're from the South Side, but the folks from the
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: West Side, from Bankhead, or they from like Zone six
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: or they like from Boulevard something like that. So honestly,
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: the one of the first roue like outside of Jermaine Duprix,
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: one of the first big South Side artists was Two Chains,
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So really, what we had
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: we had what we had for real, like outside of
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: like the young like the up and coming artists and
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: stuff like that were listening like too, were listening to Gucci,
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: We listen to Gez, We listened to Young Ralph Young,
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: School to the Future, you know what I'm saying.
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: All that your album was described as a major creative leap, right,
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: so how did it sound on? I know? Right? So
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: they I guess they're basically saying that your sound has
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: evolved from previous projects.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Do you agree with that?
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: I do. I do agree with it, and only I
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: only feel like that now because I realized I hate
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: my older music, but not because it's bad, because I
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: know I've gotten better. I was listening to my music
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: the other day because I'm preparing for a tour and
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: I had to. I was really listening. I was like, yo,
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: I hate all this older stuff, but this newer album
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: is like it feels timeless, like it just feels better.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: And maybe I'm gonna say that the next time, the
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: next time I drop an album, But right now, that's
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: just how I feel.
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: You should only get better and better. But what exactly
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: do you hate about it? Is it the subject matter?
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Is it how you Sometimes it's my tone of voice.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: Sometimes I I feel like I just got very, very
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: good at hooks. So it's a lot of times it's that.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: A lot of times it's beat selection. A lot of
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: people say I have great beat selections. They're saying that
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: for years, But my ear changes all the time. So
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: it's usually just things like that. Me being a psychopath,
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: I want.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: To ask that when you're writing a song. I look
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: at your songs, and they very and the reason the
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: way I said, they vary. Is before it used to
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: be sixteen hook, sixteen hook, sixteen hook, right, and then
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: for some reason it just stopped. Now is the song
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: is a minute forty two seconds or two minutes the longest?
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Sure?
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: How do you get everything out in that short period
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: of time? It's that easier. That's the most difficult thing, yo.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie. That's a good question, because I
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: used to be the artist three sixteens like my I'm
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: looking at some of your records are four minutes long,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: five minutes long, but now the last couple of two minutes.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: They had to figure out how to consolidate it for
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: the younger people, man like, even for the even for
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: the people who don't got that much time in the
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: day or don't want to listen to the same beat
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: for three and a half minutes. I had to figure out, Oh,
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: instead of doing two sixteens and a hook, I could
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: do a cold twenty folk. I could do a mean
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: thirty two. You know what I'm saying, Do a hook
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: in a bridge instead of a bunch of hooks, like
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: just things like that, Even like the song out my
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: Way I have, I'm only on that joint for one minute.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: I feel like Sino is on the song for more
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: time than I am. It's really just things like that,
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: just trying to figure out how to consolidate the art
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: form for the next generation.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: Now? You cold? Now if you cold? Because a lot
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: of people, I feel like a lot of people, a
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: lot of people kind of be drawn it out, Like
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: you could draw like you could make a long song
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: and it could sound drawn out, or you can make
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: a short song that's compact and you like Yo, I
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: want to play this again. I want to listen to this,
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: like right after this and the next time.
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: Though you could be dope. Don't you listen to a
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: long song? Be cause for Perrero like not like us.
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: It's long as shit. But you can't stop the song.
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: You gotta keep listening.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: I like to. I like to.
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: You know, I heard the song from Killing Mike A
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: one hundred three thousand that's not out yet. That's like
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: fourteen fifteen minutes long. Wow, And that song is incredible.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: I need to hear that.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Would you tell me.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: That you're not?
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: You should? You should connect with Mike connected I have
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: I've not met him.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: I know his son though.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: Okay, okay, like you and Mike need to connect because
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: 'all just you know, I feel like spiritual, spiritually, y'all
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: have like an you have a spiritual artistic connection, you.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Know what I mean.
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: But yes, him and Dre got a song and that's
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: like fifteen minutes long, and it's just them too, it's.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Just tim too.
• 34:38
  Speaker 7: But they start telling us now the beat is changing,
• 34:42
  Speaker 7: because the beat is changing because based off what Andre
• 34:46
  Speaker 7: is rapping about and the things he's referencing, the beat
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: changes to go along with what he's referencing.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it's really dope.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: That's and I'm like, I just think if something's dope,
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: it will keep your attention.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: Hundred thousand makes me so angry because he's my favorite
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: rap forever. Like Outcast, I don't separate them. They're both.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: There's like the act itself is the greatest rap act ever.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Like I understand what he means when he says he
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: don't think people want to listen to him, Bru, just
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: try it, Like, just try it, gang, try it. Bro.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: It's people like me out here in Atlanta who need you,
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: like dead serious, like you think these folks don't need you,
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: and we do. Like it's folks who want to hear you.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: It's fopos who want to like and no disrespect to
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: your your your your instrument albums album. Yeah, no, like,
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: no disrespect to that. But dog, we need a big homie, bro.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: Everybody big homie trying to be in a club, trying
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: to be in a hookah lounge like nobody them folks
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: not like nah, we need a real big homie. You
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: don't like the flip. I love the flu I be
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: high as hell, but like, dog, we need we need
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: them bars. Like, what's the last thing we got from
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: from dre life of a party? It was for the
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: party with no scientists engineers, that's what.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they want to grab me for that.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: So who do you feel spiritually connected to artistically? When
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: you know I'm I'm specifically talking about the generations before you.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: This might sun cliche, but pop big pop fan, super
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: pot fan. Uh, this is crazy Wayne at a certain
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: point in his life because I feel like I feel
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: like I'm in that best rapper alive back Sometimes I
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: just feel like every time I do a verse it's cold.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: So Wayne, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: sure what the rest of that to be honest, those
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: are two good ones.
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you said you was to you're getting ready for tours?
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: So you on tour with j D.
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: This man got me calling everything because the period the
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: periods throw me off.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just like it's.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: J I D.
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: But whatever. Yeah, So how did that happen?
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: You being on to see it's kind of funny? Uh,
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: I ain't know I was gonna be on the tour,
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: but was talking about the tour one day and somebody said,
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: are you checking my plus on the road? He said,
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: you don't got no choice but to come. I didn't
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: know that I was going, but I thought he was
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: just I thought he was just saying that. But I
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: found out. I was like, oh, yeah, it's cool.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: You don't have no choice but to come.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Getting that's hilarious, Yo, that's oh here Yo. I thought
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: he's gonna get you in the flu when you said
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: love the flu but the too. All right, we know
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: you do, bro?
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: What I do want to ask you? The period on
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: for Atlanta meaning to you in twenty twenty.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Five, honestly, just showing folks, that is more. It's more
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: than what met stye. All these young kids killing each other,
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: all these like and just even like on the wrap side,
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: like we ain't just stupid now like everybody think just
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: because like we we got a certain energy or we
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: talk a certain way that we like, like they think
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: country people slow. You know what I'm saying. I don't know.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: I just want to be. I just want to show
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: niggas like it ain't like that. That's really it. That's
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: really it. I want to be and I want to
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: show that somebody from the South can be at the
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: top outside of j Cole, like because Cole is like
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: the he's like he's low key the real king of
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: Southern hip hop.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: Talkin I'm from the Carolinas. Not make it so, you know,
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: not making it to the high not make it to
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: make it cast don't count. What about the number one
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: movie and album in the same week.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: What is the highest point in your opinion? What is
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: the highest point there? Don't you speak up, sir?
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: Are we serious?
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Tip had a number one forget how big, sir?
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Generation just asking what you mean by said he's the
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: kidding yourself?
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: So like, what is podcast for the year at the
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: ground the king of Southern hip hop talking.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Like Atlanta not the South?
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: Bro, What do you mean Okay.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: First of all, if you really want to get to
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: Atlanta is a territory of its own, let's give it.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: It's like a peninsula.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Is it about sales? What are we talking be basing
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: this on because it's godface, I.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: Think it's about I think it's I think it's how
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: people care about you, like bro, look at how they
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: treat today there. They will never treat cold like that.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: Cole will never get you. Is trying to rat it
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: mainstream major act ever.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, but that his peak. T I was the biggest.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: That's peak.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: That's his peak, though, cold call one of them guys
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: where people like I don't. I don't even think that
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: the rat beef apology is gonna set him back too much.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Like he's cold, he's cold?
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Can I say something else?
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: If you're talking about accolades, future got more accolades than
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: col Right, all right.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: All right, I thought I was talking about something like what.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Do we mean?
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: What do you mean when you're talking about you started
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: talking about Grammys? And what are you talking about when
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: you say he's the king in the South?
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: What qualifies you as king? And sun people still the time?
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Car face, Bro, it's about like I don't know.
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: Man, it's a lot of the one record with DJ
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: Paul that's that's not good and you're acting like space.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: I thought that was an ice cube.
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: Literally, Okay, I get what, I get. What you in
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: the chest was bad. My age or something like. The
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: future has no substance to his music.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: We're talking about lyrics. That's this. This is that guy?
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: You know what's so crazy? Yeah, I just that's crazy.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Think about I look at Cood the other way. I
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: feel like, ain't no call.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: I just don't like when y'all make these days.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna do something. I'm gonna do something. T I's career.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: He came out in two thousand and one.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: What I'm serious?
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: He had arguably the one of the longest poems in
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: the South. I'll give it like I'll say, I'll say
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: twelve years because I like trouble man.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: Cole has had the longest run of being at the
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: top in the South. It's been Cole came out. When
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: when did Sideline Story come out? Town eleven? It's twenty
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: twenty six.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: What are we basing this?
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: I really yo, I'm so happy I'm up here. Okay,
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: agreeing with this man, I got a chart, I got
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: a chart. It's of course longevity. It's rap skills. It's
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: everything that goes into your rap skills. It is metaphors,
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: it's lyricability. People don't understand that lyrical ability and technical
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: ability are two different things. It's how it's how consistent
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: you are.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Check those relevancy.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: Did they have a Wayne esque feature run though where
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: they killed everything? Yeah?
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Absolutely?
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: Who you all right? Absolutely outside of stump argue that.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: Dom Magic remix Soldier remix.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: With what are we talking about that same thing? We
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: we we have recency bias.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: So much, you know, you know, I'm I'm a I'm
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: a newer generation guy. That might be the case, might
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: be the case.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Most people say the opposite. Most people say Cole is
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: underrated and people don't respect him and ate them the
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: way that he.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's like people say the same thing about
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: krit and he's way bigger than create. Like I just
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: feel true, I just feel like I don't know, man,
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: colded a cold cold and a lot of a lot
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: of work that the average Southern artists wouldn't be able
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: to stand right here still like, and I don't count
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: future transcending hip hop I can't count future because like
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: that's like Atlanta.
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: You can say transd at one point, I can say
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: you was on My Love and Robin.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: You're a t I fan, Bros, my top five Folk
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: t GZ and like.
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: Folks don't I feel like this is a generational t
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: I fan argument, Like both of y'all are fans, but
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: you're just younger than him.
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: So you see it differently different.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Like I was like saying they are, But I.
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: Think he's arguing the longevity of the impact and staying
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: power and both of them have had it, but he
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: is viewed differently.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: And also, I know more people influenced by Cold and
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: Tip age like a man.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: This generation.
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was influenced Tip of Coal bro.
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: I had every TI album. You just said that Cold.
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: More people more influenced by.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Cold, Yeah, they are that you.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: Young kids want to repack. People don't want to You
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: don't want to write like t I. T I was
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: a lot of that was that was everybody wanted to
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: rap like in the day, but now nobody wants to
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: do that. He Tip was on Thug Out and he
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: was like, huh, what is t I doing on thug album?
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: The Money? But as I said, it's a recency bias thing.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: By the way, that could happen to Cold.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: That's not happening. The call it could quite already good.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: I was you say you forty a co forty already?
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: I know he did. I'm not saying it will. I'm
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: saying because you never know what's gonna happen in the
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: next five years.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: He's cemented, I think he said, and he's gonna drop
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: his last album. Don't even play like that.
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: I think I think Cold is submitted. I think Kendrick
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: is cemented. I think Drake is cemented, you know what
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: I mean. But also t I cemented as well. Jesus,
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: you can't take away who they and what they do.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: I'm not doing that. But also I just got to
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: keep it the fact, bro, these white kids are listening
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: to Cold before they cut on the motivation.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Doug Motivation is twenty years old, no.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: Matter, bro, it was, it was, it was everything is
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: twenty years old that people like you, you.
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: Know, by the way, by the way, Jay Cole don't
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: got no album like Doug Motivation.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: You're right, come on, man, I was there. I was there.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: I don't understand y'.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: But also, like what he said.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: A biased guy. I'm not a biased listener, so I can.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: I can, I can. I can understand where it's like, yeah,
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: I appreciate this and I understand this, but I understand
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: also understanding back the kids.
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: You're right right, But you know what else we keep
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: we said? Golf said Wayne Bro, I love ain't had
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: no run like Wayne.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: For god, you know what I mean?
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: I forgot to exactly but Wayne Bro? What Wayne?
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: Wayne? People forget Wayne from where he's from. Wayne just
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: a rapper like Wayne is one of the like, no
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: matter where you're from in the country, Wayne's gonna beat
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: somebody favorite rapper out there. Like that's like, but.
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: People forget what call from arguing right now that j
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: Cole is from New York.
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: I literally was like he's from down the streets like
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: sign to Rocks and all the times.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Wayne t I scarface, like come on, Broye.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: All right, So it's it's Wayne and Cole with the longest.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Wayne been around since he was kid, like a kid
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: for real Wayne.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and two kids. We about to ride.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: What about your legacy? Marco?
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: Plus, when it's all said and done, what do you
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: want to Atlanta scene to say Marchael Plus contributed to
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: the coaching.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: I want to be the reason that these young kids
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: want to like say like do more and say more
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: and don't want to get into beef and get shot
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: oh with nothing. Essentially, I kind of just want to
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: help my city figure out it's true identity. It's kind
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: of been lost upon since like the like a bunch
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: of things that, like the whole Rico debacle when Shorty
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: put out the list of like all the gangs and
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: all that stuff, it kind of didn't cool nothing down
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: and just made everything hotter. I just I don't know, man,
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: it be It's it's twelve year old kids getting shot
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: and killed. Like I want people to understand, like, you
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: ain't gotta be you ain't gotta be something like that
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: just to like cause you a talented kid. You know
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying. You want to get out and you
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: feel like, oh we're in this city. I gotta do
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: this when you can, you can be everything. You know
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying. You don't got to be one thing.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: The success of a rapper is not linear or the
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: same for anybody. And I just want to be able
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: to be like Yo, this kid shifted the paradigm. That's
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: what I want people to say.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: We appreciate you for joining. Yeah, come back, thank you absolutely.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: And when you become the biggest rapper in the world,
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: don't forget us.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: Man. How the hell am I gonna do that?
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: It's happened before one day, I'm gonna do the ship.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: Let me be done your day, ladies.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: It's the Breakfast Club.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: Good morning.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Thank y'all, chat for riding what us just wanting to
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: chat every day a week.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: Click yours up the Breakfast Club.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Finish for y'all. Dumb