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"I'm the victim!" she cries, as she stabs you again | HBR Talk 270 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Hello, and welcome to the HBr Talk two seventy fiasco. This is going
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  I'm the victim, she cries as she stabs you again. I'm your host,
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  Hannah Wallen here with nonsense annihilator Lauren Brooks and the personification of perceptivity Mike
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  Stevenson, and tonight we're gonna look at a couple of examples of cry bullying.
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  dot com in the drop batnd menu at the top of the page. And
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  with that, tonight we're going to kind of drop down to the level of
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  gossip column, not because our standards have been lowered, but because there's a
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  double standard we need to discuss. One of our two examples involves a writer
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  who was just fine with publishing a hit piece about a popular TikTok channel and
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  directing a lot of hate and anger that tiktoker's way because he was a man
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  who said things she didn't like, but didn't like having the spotlight turned back
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  on her, didn't like receiving backlash for her opinions. The other is a
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  vengeful ex girlfriend who may have just accident canceled herself in an attempt to smear
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  her ex. And everybody knows who that is. You don't need to see
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  her face anyway, right, Like she posted this picture. This is in
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  her instagram. This is um and and the comments are interesting here because we
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  have you know, one one guy says, see this right here is exactly
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  why Bro had to clear clearly communicated boundaries. You can't make this up.
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  And the next comment is somebody saying, this girl's comment section is the new
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  hangout spot for in cells. Oh god, really yeah, really so so
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  week. Surely the appropriate slow would be migti situation, I would think,
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  But we're we're gonna, we're gonna say goodbye to Sarah Brady's boobs for a
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  minute, thank you. I mean, they're not very ample that I'm not
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  impressed. I'm sorry, ma'am. You can put those away. Yeah,
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  well, and her Instagram shows that she doesn't really do that, so like
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  and half her pictures, most of her pictures have some level of side boob,
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  like even mine got bigger than that eventually. Like I don't know how
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  old she is, but um, when I was, when I was in
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  my twenties before I had my son mine, or at least that small.
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  And now you know, I'm like, I'm not anything huge, but I'm
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  at least a sea cup. I've discovered that I can find swimwhere that that
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  completely covers and supports them and they don't fall out the bottom, you know,
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  Like it just it's an odd thing to see under boob in a bikini
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  on an obvious a cup. Yeah, yeah, that's that's not an accident.
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  So that's again I agree with I agree with him. Um, more
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  power to her if she wants to do that. It's fun and and all
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  all boobs are fun to look at, or at least most boobs are fun
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  to look at as long as they're on an adult. Um. But yeah,
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  I don't know. I would. I would if I had a girlfriend
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  and all of her social media looked like that, I'd be a little worried
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  myself. I wouldn't have unless we were in an open relationship like that's I'd
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  be a little worried. So yeah, I mean exactly, That's not the
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  type of person that I would have as a girlfriend if I were to have
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  one. But you know, it's it's quite common with women, right social
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  media is so addictive and anytime you post a picture of yourself, and it's
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  so much easier for women than it is for men because all you have to
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  do with post your body, post, you know, a cute picture,
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  and why they created filters. Your body doesn't have to be this good.
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  It doesn't have to be this in shape, right, Like she's pretty buff
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  um surfer, you know, in stretch right. Yeah, but it a
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  woman like me. Um. I'm I'm fifty one, you know, and
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  I'm not in the best of shape. I'm in the process of losing weight,
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  um and and getting muscles back that I let go over the last three
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  years. So it it, you know, I'm I'm probably like one of
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  the Tape Brothers posted something, what would you rate yourself? And right now
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  I would rate myself like two levels lower than my normal because of the condition
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  I'm in. But I could still post bathing suit pictures right now, and
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  there I would get male attention. Probably it would be from men who are
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  older than me. Um, but it would still be mailed to mention.
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  And then there are people that would ignore how I look and be nice to
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  me because of the things that I've said, you know that that that are
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  um and and interesting things to people, or that are pointing out things that
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  people won't listen to when men say them, you know, and stuff like
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  that. So it's just honestly, like, it's not just easier for women,
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  it's insanely easier for women. And and um, and there are men
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  who enjoy having as their partner the woman that everyone is looking at and that
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  would be the right guy for her, the guy that wants to show off.
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  I'm I'm with this hot chick, right, um. And who who
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  doesn't worry, who is confident that that you know, um, she's not
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  gonna find somebody else and uh and and go with that guy, right.
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  And I mean, you know, there's there's a lot of us, um
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  Like, even though I'm not male, I have that lack of confidence like,
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  well, yeah, there are people out there that are better. Um
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  So if somebody was engaging in a lot of behavior that is attention seeking and
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  I was, I was dating them, I would be I don't know,
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  I would be insecure about it. I think, yeah, I mean,
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  and there's just the whole thing is is like social this is why, this
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  is why you hear people say things like women shouldn't have social media or they
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  shouldn't be on social media, and god damn it, if I'm I'm hard
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  pressed to find an argument as to why this shouldn't be the case. I
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  mean, this is this is what women do. They are attention seekers.
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  And if she if you're in a relationship with a woman like this who constantly
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  bes to need to post even if it's just mundane pictures of you, you
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  know what I mean, I just don't understand the I listen, no,
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  I understand it, but I kind of, I guess, reject this whole
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  idea that you need to post every piece of your life on social media.
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  You know, you know, it's you're looking, you're seeking some kind of
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  validation. And now it's all even even even um even that's there's there's different
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  ways to do that. Like when I went to the Renaissance Fair with my
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  husband, I take I took a lot of pictures. When I went to
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  the Zombie Walk in Yellow Springs with my husband, I took a lot of
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  pictures. Most of the pictures I posted were pictures of festivities. This is
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  what we saw when we were there, and so people who were not there,
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  this is this is what we saw. We've we've gone to car shows.
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  I used to have a social media h site that I posted on that
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  it's not social media anymore. The new owners when they bought it, they
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  converted it to I say new This happened clear back in like twenty thirteen or
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  twenty fourteen. They converted it to like a tabloid site. Um. I
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  think they were trying to be the next BuzzFeed. It really kind of sucked,
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  but I had I had photoblogs on there, and I would go to
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  car shows and post pictures of details from the old cars with captions and descriptions
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  that explained you know, um, like I would talk to the guys that
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  were exhibiting the cars and learn about, you know, how they had restored
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  them and how hard it was to get this part or that part, um
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  the one I really regret and never been getting to talk to the guy.
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  There was a guy who used an old, an old old Milwaukee light can
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  as a car our part because he couldn't It was obvious it was a replacement
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  for a part that he couldn't get and and it worked, it functioned,
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  the engine ran, so it was it was kind of cool. Um,
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  and I would I really wanted to talk to that guy. And there was
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  somebody that tried to help me find him, but we never did find him.
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  I don't know what he was doing at that time, but but we
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  had to leave, um and and I never got to talk to him and
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  find out his journey from I have to replace this part too. I'm gonna
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  put an old Milwaukee beer can in instead. And I really wanted to hear
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  that story. Um. But but those kind of things like that's, um,
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  that's the attention you're seeking in that way of posting is more of look
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  look what I got to see, Look what I got to do. Here's
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  here's what it looked like. You might like it too, you know,
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  as opposed to hey, I have boobs, look at them, you know,
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  And like I said, it's it's more power tour if that's what she
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  wants to do. Fine, But it's fair that there are people both sexes
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  too. There are people who as partners, are going to be insecure about
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  their partner's loyalty if their partner behaves that way. And I learned in my
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  early thirties because I really didn't do a lot of picture posting and social media
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  in my twenties. In fact, there wasn't much social media when I was
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  in my early twenties, um none, so uh like like not for posting
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  pictures anyway. And and when I did post pictures, I figured out pretty
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  quickly that I got attention I didn't want, and so I changed what I
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  was posting, Like I'm not going to post a bunch of pictures of me
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  because if I do, I'm going to get attention from people who expect me
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  to be interested in intimacy or at least flirting, and I'm not. So
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  there you go. But yeah, that that that's probably part of the reason
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  why, you know, like I said, I would be insecure if I
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  had a girlfriend and she was posting tip picks. So but in any case,
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  in the in the Daily Mail article, if we go about halfway down
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  the article to the line Brady spun her posts as a warning to all girls.
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  Right below that is the post where she she showed the image of his
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  text. And I saw in the chat that there's been and update with contexts
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  that those that that um particular text was actually from a couple's therapy exercise.
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  Oh God, so God, so this was not married? They why are
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  you in couples therapy? Jesus? Yeah, I mean, so that I'm
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  aware of is that she was in treatment for bipolar disorder. So that doesn't
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  entirely surprise me. No, absolutely not. But you know, anyone who's
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  been married will tell you that marriage therapy is like the last It's like the
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  last train exactly. So, but they're not they're not even marry, they're
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  just dating. This is sick. This is psychopathic. This is this is
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  some sort of of co dependent um relationship that I think that he used to
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  entertain in his past. But he's coming into some kind of enlightenment. Right.
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  There's a series that he did. I think it was on Netflix,
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  and it wasn't a series of It was just like a basically a movie about
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  him going to his therapist, and it was it was so wonderfully done.
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  And oh my god, I really I wish I could remember the name of
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  it right now. I'm gonna look it up what I have a minute,
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  but I recommend that everybody really watches it. But it's a beautiful story about
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  his transformation into you know, owning who he is and becoming himself right and
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  just accepting that this is who he is. And you don't have to accept
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  the abusive people in your life just because you are this famous Hollywood star,
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  right like you you you are a person first, Yeah, you know.
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  And it's only just occurred to me that therapy is the religious equivalent of confessions.
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  Yeah, I'm sure I'm not the first person to point this out anywhere
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  I think it's but it's the first time it's occurred to me, like just
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  now, So this is why therapy is something that men would rather kill the
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  son than go to. Yeahs does that mean? Um? And it's when
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  it goes all the way to Hollywood. It's like everyone in Hollywood has a
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  therapist. It's it's like, like I say, it's like a priest.
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  It's like someone behind this weird chain that that you that you're obliged to tell
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  everything too, and they take it all on board and basically do nothing with
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  it other than reassure you that you're you're fire. Now. This is there's
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  there's different um qualities of therapy that you can find in the world. Like
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  there's there's the talk therapy that people are the most familiar with, you know
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  where that's portrayed in movies. You're you're laying on the couch or sitting on
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  a couch or chair talking to this therapist and all they say is, and
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  how does that make you feel? After everything that you you know? Like
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  that that exists, right, it's almost useless to to almost everybody, um,
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  unless you just need a sounding board for your own self assessment. But
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  there's other therapy out there that is it's hard work. And that is when
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  you go in with a problem and a list of excuses and the therapist forces
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  you, um intellectually to confront every single one of those excuses, break it
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  down, tear it down, and realize that it's just a fake excuse,
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  and then find what you really need to do to fix your situation and how
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  how you are responsible for your handling of this problem, even if the problem
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  is something that that is partly out of your control, like you have a
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  chemical imbalance, or you have post traumatic stress, or you know you you're
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  you have a like For me, I had ride rage. We didn't know
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  that's what it was, but you know, it was still a high intensity,
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  um unpredictable emotional state that was recurring and intrusive and interfered with my engagement
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  with other people on a rational level. Right. And one of the first
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  things I didn't I didn't go to a therapist that was born and raised in
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  the United States. I went to a therapist to immigrated here from Korea.
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  And I think that was my saving grace because the first thing that he got
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  across to me was that we were not going to work on how to make
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  me comfortable with being angry. We were going to work on how to give
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  me tools and make me responsible for how I behaved regardless of how angry I
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  got. And that's really what I was looking for, Yeah, because I
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  Hurting people is a terrible thing to have to remember for the rest of your
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  life, whether you hurt them physically you punch the shit out of somebody,
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  or whether you said something that one thing that takes a person that is six
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  feet tall and bulletproof and turns them into a six inch tall wilting flower,
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  right like that. That is a terrible thing to remember doing. And so
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  you know I won't have as few memories like that in my life as possible.
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  Um. I mean, even though I am admittedly rude on Twitter,
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  you guys have no idea like that's amateurish compared to what I am capable of
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  and what I have learned to control and not do. And and it's something
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  that everybody needs to understand when it comes to therapy. If you are looking
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  for a therapist, you should be unless unless you just need somebody to help
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  you think out your own thoughts, you should be avoiding that former type of
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  therapist and looking for the guy that's going to tell you, all right,
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  what we're going to do. And here is hard work. You're going to
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  be pulling most of the weight, and we are going to make you responsible
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  for your own behavior. Because that's that's therapy that does that only works,
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  is the only therapy that really works. And it's rare, it's it's very
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  sadly rare. Um. But here we have this this text. Wait.
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  Wait, so so just before if anyone is interested, the name of that
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  movie is stuts Stutz. Again, I cannot recommend it highly enough. It
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  is a beautiful story about a person and their therapist and the stories and the
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  questions that are asked. Right, It's just it really makes you. It
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  made me sit back and think about just life and what's really important, you
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  know. Yeah, I definitely am gonna watch it now. I want to.
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  I want to see And it looks like I just looked it up.
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  Um. The name of the movie is the name of the therapist. Therapist,
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  yeah, it says um. Phil Stutts is one of the world's leading
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  psychiatrists. He's helped countless patients over forty years, so he's had a long
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  career. Um. That that's that's a good thing to know. I watched
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  it. I fell asleep and I don't remember. I'm gonna make you watch
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  it. I would rather do therapy than do therapy. Yeah. But so
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  I'm going to get into what what he asked of her, because I this
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  is honestly, this is not unreasonable. Um. And and I'm looking at
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  this from from the standpoint of having experienced, like I said, like I'm
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  an embarrassing type of attention. It wasn't I didn't feel harassed when people tried
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  to flirt with me when I posted cute pictures. I felt embarrassed, like,
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  oh no, I gave people the wrong idea. Right, Um,
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  this isn't what I was looking for. I shouldn't do this if it's not
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  what I'm looking for. Um so And in any case, let's see plain
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  and simple, he says, if you need uh surfing with men and before
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  people who like I don't surf. But I've been on a skateboard, and
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  skateboarding was invented by surfers as a thing to do when there's there's no waves,
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  right, and and skateboarding is a high adrenaline activity. Um Bike riding
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  high adrenal adrenaline activity at most athletics are high adrenaline activity. When you're alone
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  with a guy and you engage in a high adrenaline activity, you're more likely
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  to bond with that person emotionally, and it is harder to separate that bond
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  um in terms of friendship versus romance. It is more likely for you to
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  have a moment in that in that moment as opposed to say, walking down
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  the street together or working on a project in the office together, unless it's
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  a particularly exciting project where where you're going to develop feelings or like I like
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  the phrase catch feelings, like you know, they're floating around in the air,
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  you know, like germs, and all of a sudden you're infected with
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  a crush. And those happen to people in a lot of relationships, so
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  you get, you know, like, oh, this is my work crush,
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  but I would never act on it, and blah blah blah, and
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  it's and most of the time that's true. But if you do that all
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  the time with the same guys all the time, you do create a risk
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  that you're going to make a stupid mistake. Yeah, so it's not really
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  inappropriate to say surfing with men um and I think he probably was specifically saying
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  surfing with men without him there, because he's a surfer too. They say,
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  don't stick you dick in crazy, but it is the fancy you hipping
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  you which way to say it, don't stick your mind in crazy? Yep,
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  either, that's kind of even. That's probably what the phrase don't stake
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  you whatever, just don't stake any of of yours. Just stay away from
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  crazy. Crazy is not what you want. Strange is not what you want.
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  Everyway from this crazy strange Yeah, pretty simply. Well, and if
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  she tells you that she was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, that's that's a flag.
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  And it's not that people with bipolar disorder can't have relationships, it's that
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  there are there are problems that happen specifically with that disorder, um and and
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  the manic episodes that it becomes an excuse. Oh I was manic. Your
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  bad behavior is now excused. Oh I was manic? Well, okay,
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  why are you in therapy to learn not to go out of control when I'm
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  manic and to get medication to keep me from having so many manic episodes and
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  have them be so dramatic? All right? So what was that first thing
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  you said? Again? You know, like to learn not to engage in
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  dysfunctional behavior when when you're in a manic episode, to develop more control.
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  Right, So, then being manic is not an excuse, and of course
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  you're going to get well, everybody falls, everybody falls off the wagon,
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  everybody makes mistakes, all right, But you still are responsible for your behavior,
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  just like somebody who is not drinking who falls off the wagon, right
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  is responsible for their behavior because unless somebody else shove that drink down their throat.
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  It was their action. So there's the one side where a person with
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  a diagnosis bipolar disorder, borderline personality disorder, any type of mood or personality
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  disorder that has as part of its symptoms dysfunctional behavior that crosses other people's boundaries
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  or engages in levels of abuse is self destructive, is embarrassing. Right that
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  there is this degree of using the disorder as a shield against culpability, where
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  someone's personal agency would make them otherwise culpable for their behavior despite the disorder.
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  Right. And it's one thing to accept reduced culpability in someone because you know,
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  hey, you have of the struggle, and you can recognize the struggle
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  and say, I know this is hard for you, and support the person
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  in having that control and not put roadblocks in their way. Right. But
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  at the other end of it, you still have to hold them accountable,
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  and they have to be able to hold themselves accountable. So they can't just
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  say, well, I need this because I'm bipolar. I'm going to do
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  this and then not regret it later because I'm bipolar, and blah blah blah.
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  The other end of it is people who have a diagnosis have a tendency
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  to get dismissed by everyone around them if they're they have thoughts, feelings,
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  beliefs, interests, and so on that are not popular with the people around
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  them. So they may be they may be experiencing a frequent thing of the
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  people around them experience, attribute their perspective on something, their position on something
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  to their disorder, and don't treat them like a fully accountable, thinking human
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  being. And at both ends of that, there's some fairness and there's some
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  unfairness, and it's a very difficult relationship to have. So somebody should not
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  embark on that if they are not prepared for that. Like, you're not
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  just stepping into a relationship, it's like taking on a relationship with any other
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  disability. If you choose to have a relationship with somebody who cannot walk,
• 29:34
  then you are choosing to alter your life in ways that will accommodate that person's
• 29:41
  an ability to walk, and that will support that person's ability to control their
• 29:48
  movement despite not being able to use their legs to have that control. And
• 29:55
  so it's you're saying, I will do more work in this relationship than I
• 30:00
  would have to do if your legs worked. And in the case of a
• 30:03
  relationship with somebody who has a mood disorder or personality disorder or any other kind
• 30:08
  of mental health condition, you are saying, I am willing to do more
• 30:14
  work in this relationship than I would do if you did not have this disability.
• 30:18
  And you know it's it's not fair on either side for someone to embark
• 30:26
  on that relationship without that expectation. And I think a lot of people don't
• 30:32
  understand that with regard to mental health conditions and disabilities, UM physical as well.
• 30:40
  So but he goes on right boundaryless and appropriate relationship friendships with men.
• 30:48
  No man should have to ask a woman not to do this. Ever,
• 30:52
  where I'm sorry, where where are you? It's UM. If you if
• 30:57
  you hit control F and UM type in hill complaining about social media photos,
• 31:07
  it'll take you right to the top of it, and that you'll see a
• 31:12
  UM picture. It's got a photo of him at the top of the phone
• 31:19
  screen. It says, Jonah, control what control F And I'm gonna put
• 31:27
  it in the chat that makes it easier. There we go, and that
• 31:36
  will be in the UM UH in the UH daily mail article. Okay,
• 31:44
  carry on, Sorry, it's okay, it's it's just, um, we're
• 31:48
  we got a lot to look at here. But the this is actually the
• 31:52
  main thing that I wanted to go over with regard to the Hill thing,
• 31:56
  because this is the crux of what everybody's talking about. His his boundaries,
• 32:00
  his specific boundaries. Right. So his second criterion was boundaryless inappropriate friendships with
• 32:10
  men. Like I said, no man should have to ask his female partner
• 32:21
  not to do that. Either you're in an open relationship that you've both agreed
• 32:25
  on and that you're both comfortable with, or you don't do this, right,
• 32:31
  I mean, that's it. It should have ended right that that should
• 32:36
  it should have been bullet point number one and period point blank. And I'm
• 32:42
  sorry, I don't I don't think he should have felt the need to explain
• 32:45
  himself in bullet point fashion as to why he felt uncomfortable with her behavior.
• 32:53
  Because again, any woman who is serious about having a relationship with this man
• 33:01
  or this person or whomever, you don't do things like things like this.
• 33:07
  This is advertising for someone else. Yeah. And when when we say boundary
• 33:12
  lists, I mean like that implies to me that that there's a lot of
• 33:19
  touching involved and I'm not talking about like my friend group, my local friend
• 33:23
  group. When we hang out together and everybody's leaving, you know, to
• 33:29
  go home, we all hug each other like we're really close. Um in
• 33:35
  like that's that's touching, but it's just hugging. Like you won't find me
• 33:39
  sitting on the couch next to one of the guys in the group, yeah,
• 33:44
  where where we're like right up against each other, you know, Like
• 33:50
  I just don't, um, because I wouldn't. I wouldn't feel comfortable either
• 33:57
  around my husband doing that. I think it would embarrass the guys. UM.
• 34:02
  And I think that that my female friends would be upset by it,
• 34:07
  and some more than others, but all of them, one way or another
• 34:10
  would be upset by it, Like and and it's this, this is this
• 34:15
  is like normal married behavior. You know, you hang out with people,
• 34:17
  and and you have very specific ways in which you can be close to your
• 34:24
  close friends and very specific ways in which you're not right. And I it's
• 34:31
  just some of the pictures, Like if I'm not going to go through her
• 34:34
  whole instagram and start critiquing the pictures, but there's a lot of pictures in
• 34:37
  that instagram that have been taken by somebody who views her as a beautiful woman
• 34:44
  and is um not necessarily enamored, but affectionate. Just you can see as
• 34:52
  a photographer, you can see the esthetic appreciation, the affection, the cap
• 35:00
  sharing candids of somebody that is is dearly valued, whether it's loved the way
• 35:07
  a friend is loved, loved the way the girl next door that you treat
• 35:10
  like a little sister is loved. This person loves her that took these pictures,
• 35:16
  you know. So it's and they're not selfies, not most of them.
• 35:22
  A lot of them are selfies, but not most of them, and
• 35:25
  so it's it's, uh, I don't know, it's just kind of I
• 35:31
  hate to try to analyze it too much because I don't know the people involved
• 35:37
  personally. But again, you know, it's kind of interesting. Like I
• 35:42
  have pictures of some of my female friends that I went to college with that
• 35:46
  are like that because we do love each other very much like sisters, and
• 35:53
  you can see in those pictures that we do care deeply about each other.
• 36:00
  The pictures that I take and the pictures that my friends have taken of me
• 36:04
  um that we're presenting the person that we see and the person that we love
• 36:08
  and that's that closeness. If your partner isn't part of that closeness, it's
• 36:17
  it can be threatening. Like and my friend group is mine and my husband's
• 36:23
  friend group, and each one of us has friends within the group that we're
• 36:28
  closer to than others that that there's overlap, and then there's like if you
• 36:34
  drew a Venn diagram of it, there would be parts of the circles that
• 36:37
  were outside of that overlap. And that's normal too. But it's just I
• 36:46
  can see why he would be you know, when you say inappropriate relationships with
• 36:52
  men, I would I would assume that he's talking about things like, you
• 36:57
  know, you fall, he catches you, or you are hiking together,
• 37:00
  and who's the person helping you up the slope and stuff like that, um,
• 37:07
  anything like that, Like I don't hold hands with my male friends.
• 37:12
  I don't even hold hands with my female friends. I mean, you know
• 37:15
  that kind of thing. Let's let's let's be real. This is not what
• 37:19
  they're doing, Okay, this is not the kind of behavior that he is
• 37:22
  questioning. Right, she's likely spending time with these on a non men questionably
• 37:32
  right, in compromising situations that he's not really comfortable with or there's no real
• 37:42
  like, there's no um, there's nobody watching what's going on. There's no
• 37:50
  it's it's just wild, abandoned whatever the hell they're doing. And it might
• 37:54
  it might be his paranoia, right, okay, because that could be you
• 38:01
  know, listen, if if if my man was off with some strange woman
• 38:07
  in a hotel room or in any other situation and I wasn't sure of what
• 38:15
  was going on, I would be suspicious. Yes. Does that mean that
• 38:20
  I wouldn't trust him? No, But that's because I have a different relationship
• 38:23
  with my partner, Yeah, right, And clearly she does not pass the
• 38:31
  trust level that he feels comfortable with for her to be going out and doing
• 38:37
  all of these things, you know, and does he even really need a
• 38:44
  reason? I mean, jeez, if she's supposed to be in a relationship
• 38:47
  with him, what's she doing hanging out with other guys? Yeah? I
• 38:52
  mean, I don't, I don't listen. There's one day, all right,
• 38:54
  surfing. Okay, If you're having extracurricular activities and that's what you do,
• 39:00
  all right, fine, then it should be just that there shouldn't really
• 39:05
  be any um, you know, mystery around what's happening there, And if
• 39:10
  she's not making him feel comfortable with her extracurricular activities, then of course he's
• 39:20
  got a reason to feel suspicious. You know, I can't imagine if I
• 39:24
  said to Mike, Oh, hey, yeah, no, I'm I'm just
• 39:28
  gonna go out down down the block for a little bit. I'm just gonna
• 39:31
  go. It's my friend, it's this guys that I know, and you
• 39:35
  know, I'm I'm you don't have to come, honey, I'm just gonna
• 39:37
  be right there, and just don't worry. I'll be back in a couple
• 39:40
  of hours. And then I come back all drunk and high or whatever,
• 39:45
  you know what I mean. Well, Like, okay, I think everybody
• 39:52
  knows by now. I really love my husband. Um. I Like,
• 39:55
  I've talked about him in a lot of different shows, and I've talked about
• 40:00
  ways in which he inspires me and everything. Right, when I meet somebody
• 40:06
  that I think is really cool and I like that person and I want to
• 40:08
  hang out with that person, I want them to get to know him.
• 40:12
  Yeah, Right, For one thing, if it's going to be a cool
• 40:16
  experience hanging out with this person, I want to share that with my husband,
• 40:22
  I don't always get to. Once in a while, I've I've met
• 40:24
  up with people, you know to have discussions like you know, I've I've
• 40:30
  met personally with some of the patrons from from you know, our group and
• 40:35
  everything, and have not had the opportunity to bring my husband along. But
• 40:40
  I've also introduced him to some and especially like I took him with me,
• 40:46
  my husband, and my son to um ICMI twenty nineteen, and I was
• 40:52
  hoping to get to introduce him to more people, but we ended up working
• 40:57
  like sixteen hour days the whole time, all three of us, and that
• 41:00
  didn't that didn't end up happening. But I uh, it would be weird
• 41:08
  to just single, like separate a friendship like that. Well, I'm friends
• 41:14
  with this person, but my husband can't be um I want I want people
• 41:19
  to know what a cool guy he is, you know. Yeah, And
• 41:22
  and like I said, if I'm going to have fun, I want to
• 41:24
  share it with him. We met playing Dungeons and Dragons and I've been a
• 41:34
  tabletop RPG gamer for most of my life and so has he for most of
• 41:40
  his life. But it's not as much fun without him now as it was
• 41:47
  before. I knew him, and I don't know, I don't know if
• 41:52
  that translates into all kinds of activities. But like I introduced him to photography,
• 41:58
  and he's good at it, you know, Like he picked it up
• 42:00
  like that. And you know, he introduced me to working on cars,
• 42:06
  and I'm not picking that up as fast as he picked up photography. But
• 42:09
  it's a more involved subject. So it's it's closer to being in medicine than
• 42:16
  to an art But in any case, like, there's a lot of things
• 42:22
  that we did individually before we got together that we introduced each other too and
• 42:30
  shared together because we're excited to show each other things that we think are interesting
• 42:35
  or fun or useful or any combination of those things. And that's part of
• 42:39
  being in a relationship. So if you're like the girl that is going,
• 42:46
  well, I'm going to go off with these guys and you're not part of
• 42:51
  it. Like, if those guys are really awesome guys, why would you
• 42:54
  not want your male partner to get to know them and be friends with them?
• 43:00
  Right right? You know, why would you want to separate that exactly?
• 43:07
  Because then then all of your worlds could collide, you know what I
• 43:10
  mean? You don't have to keep one from the other, and nobody has
• 43:15
  to feel like they're being slighted. You know that it just makes all this
• 43:21
  into the world unless you're an unscrupulous bitch, right and you've got ulterior your
• 43:27
  motives, an attention seeker at the very least, at the very least,
• 43:30
  very very least. But you know, and some of these, um,
• 43:38
  some of these are are things that if you isolated it, buy yours by
• 43:44
  itself, out of the context of the rest of these, then they would
• 43:50
  be debatable somewhat, right, Like, especially if a guy dated The next
• 43:54
  one is a model to model. If a guy started dating a model and
• 43:59
  then said, I don't want you modeling anymore because you're with me, that
• 44:01
  would be unfair. But that's not what happened. You know, he started
• 44:07
  dating a surf instructor. Surfing instructor, and just because your attractive does not
• 44:15
  mean you have to model, right, So what we're looking at here is
• 44:20
  a pattern of things that are objections to attention seeking. We have to model,
• 44:25
  to post pictures of yourself in a bathing suit, to post sexual pictures.
• 44:30
  I can't separate those three because of the previous two. Right when you
• 44:37
  look at that set that paints a picture of a guy who is at his
• 44:43
  wits end because his partner is seeking everyone's attention, but his, Like,
• 44:51
  the most important important attention in the world to me is my husband's attention.
• 44:55
  Everything you guys get to hear about in terms of like thoughts and ideas and
• 45:01
  everything, he's heard about it all first mm hm, you know, um,
• 45:07
  in one way or another, I've talked things out with him and and
• 45:10
  you know, somewhat as a as a feedback sounding board, like am I
• 45:16
  crazy thinking this? Or you know, is this reasonable? And there have
• 45:21
  been times where I've come up with stuff that you guys have never heard about
• 45:23
  because he's asked me some questions about it and I've said, well, you
• 45:27
  know, maybe that's not right, Maybe I need to think about this some
• 45:29
  more, and uh, you know, so it's it bugs me. I
• 45:35
  know a lot of women would be like, well, modeling is not unreasonable
• 45:38
  no by himself, no, no, but in behavior yeah, right,
• 45:45
  And and I can't. I mean, there's a lot that we don't really
• 45:51
  know about this whole situation, and they are expectations of each other. Right,
• 45:57
  Because if if Jonah was looking for a woman to marry and settle down
• 46:01
  with Presumably he wouldn't expect her to also be earning money so modeling to flip
• 46:10
  a paycheck. Really, and he's got the cash, and he is absolutely
• 46:17
  breddit enough where he can have a wife and she doesn't have to do a
• 46:22
  goddamn thing. But you know, so if he wants someone that doesn't have
• 46:30
  to work and doesn't have to go out and sell images of their body there
• 46:36
  naked or nearly naked body, you know, I don't understand what the problem
• 46:42
  is there. You know, that's that's his prince. But if that's what
• 46:46
  she wants to do, then that's what she wants to do. And listen,
• 46:51
  she belongs to the screens. Okay, let her go, Let her
• 46:54
  go. Well, and again, this is this is one of those you
• 47:00
  you are agreeing in a relationship to accommodate each other, to be invested in
• 47:07
  each other's welfare. If he if it is important to you as an individual,
• 47:14
  if if your female or male doesn't matter, if it's important to you
• 47:17
  as an individual to garner attention from people outside the relationship on a grand scale
• 47:23
  for the sake of having that attention. So you're going to post your your
• 47:30
  bathing suit pictures or your your athlete you know, moment pictures or whatever you're
• 47:37
  you're going to be a performer of some sort um. All of those things
• 47:42
  are okay, But you want to seek somebody in the relationship, you know,
• 47:46
  to be in a relationship with who is comfortable with that, not somebody
• 47:52
  who is uncomfortable with it, and you you should at least want to include
• 47:57
  that person in your choices, you know, in your behavior, your life,
• 48:04
  your your relationship with the public. Um. So if it's not something
• 48:10
  that you your partner, your perspective partner is willing to share in and be
• 48:15
  part of and is comfortable with, you've you've picked somebody to uh engage in
• 48:22
  a relationship with who isn't compatible with you. That's a direct incompatibility, right
• 48:30
  right, and and and and it Honestly, it shouldn't be this difficult.
• 48:36
  It shouldn't require this level of conversation to write that. Yeah, point,
• 48:42
  you should You should know at least within the first couple of months where you're
• 48:49
  at, you know what I mean. And I think that's giving it a
• 48:52
  little bit more time. I mean, what we're dealing with this generation,
• 48:57
  right, so it probably takes a little bit more time than that. However,
• 49:00
  you know, I can't imagine. Hey, babe, I'm starting only
• 49:06
  fans. How do you feel about that? Something sexism, racism, problems.
• 49:12
  Yeah, but but no, but but I love you and I want
• 49:15
  to be with you forever. Right, But I'm going only fans because I
• 49:20
  want to make money. What do you think, Well, you'll be competing
• 49:22
  with the only fans. I was considering. You don't know the guys that
• 49:31
  have only fans. No, you didn't, because it's not really a thing.
• 49:36
  What does that tell any of you? No, Oh my gosh,
• 49:40
  yeah, I it's and when you think about it, you know, like
• 49:44
  that that is one of those you you need to be on the same page
• 49:50
  in regard to these things. Like you know. But when I did artistic
• 49:55
  modeling, for instance, I didn't go by myself. My husband and I
• 50:00
  went together and hung out with this artist, really cool, really cool guy,
• 50:02
  painter um. His place, his studio looked like it was straight out
• 50:07
  of some nineteen seventies film about an artist's life. Um And and we had
• 50:14
  a blast talking politics and comparing photography to painting and everything. But I wasn't
• 50:22
  going to do that alone. And wasn't just going to be me, uh
• 50:24
  you know, and and and it was not going to be a very public
• 50:31
  thing where I you know, all the pictures ended up on the Internet and
• 50:37
  everything like and in to this day, it's very hard to find anything from
• 50:42
  that, um aside from the few things that were that. Like, when
• 50:45
  you do an art set like that, there's a hundred rejects for every good,
• 50:52
  you know, everything that the artist is truly satisfied with. And uh
• 50:58
  so you get you know a lot of stuff that ends up in the in
• 51:00
  the in the bin, um and a few things that end up on somebody's
• 51:06
  wall. And so those those are those are rare. There's there's like two
• 51:10
  or three paintings out there, um, real big solid you know, like
• 51:15
  painting paintings, and in at least a couple of them, I'm not sure
• 51:22
  you'd know that I'm the subject. In one of them. You definitely would
• 51:25
  if you knew me back then, but in in in a couple of them,
• 51:29
  you couldn't be one hundred percent certain that I was the subject. So
• 51:32
  like, these were things that were um, these were things that were not
• 51:39
  like only fans, not um not pornographic, right, not even necessarily nude.
• 51:49
  Um. But uh, and there weren't things that that I did alone.
• 51:52
  And I look at this and I'm I still had a lot of questions
• 51:55
  before I did it. Um. I think I kind of old my husband
• 52:00
  about this before I did it. It was like, are you sure you're
• 52:02
  okay with this? Or you is this going to be I don't I don't
• 52:06
  want you to do this to to to say you're okay with this just for
• 52:10
  me, because there's other ways I can go out and and um model or
• 52:16
  do whatever and and have the same experience, Like there's art classes and stuff
• 52:22
  like that that do closed modeling and stuff. And uh, I did that
• 52:28
  when I was in college. Um. And and then I'm a photographer,
• 52:32
  so I could just set up a studio here, and you know, it
• 52:37
  was like, no, this is this is going to be interesting, Let's
• 52:38
  go do this. And as soon as it was okay, this is going
• 52:43
  to be interesting, let's go do this, then it was all right.
• 52:45
  That's that's how you had to deal with that kind of stuff. If he'd
• 52:49
  have been like, I don't know, I don't like this, this is
• 52:51
  this is bothering me, that would have been the end of the story.
• 52:53
  Because it wouldn't have been fun if he was going to be upset about it,
• 52:59
  you know, like, and our friends are artists. A lot of
• 53:01
  our friends are artists. We are kind of all grouped together around art and
• 53:10
  gaming. So like, half my friends are photographers, half my friends are
• 53:15
  gamers. Some of my friends are performers. I haven't I had I had
• 53:21
  a friend, I still would call him a friend. We just haven't had
• 53:24
  contact with each other for a long time, partly because of COVID that that
• 53:30
  was part of a belly dancing troupe. I went and did pictures for for
• 53:34
  a while. Um like just that's the kind of I guess bohemian group I'm
• 53:38
  with. And there's still is a set of rules that you you know,
• 53:45
  have to speak them, but you follow them anyway where you check your partners
• 53:52
  you know, consent basically for because you're not just one person and them one
• 53:58
  person anymore year a set of people your partnership. And I don't understand why
• 54:04
  so many women don't understand that. Yeah, but I'm gonna I'm gonna move
• 54:10
  to the next thing, because this really was this was quite an interesting one.
• 54:15
  Friendships with women who are in unstable places and from your wild recent past,
• 54:22
  beyond getting a lunch or coffee or something respectful. So the unstable places
• 54:29
  thing hit me because I had some friends when I was young that were very
• 54:35
  different from me. That there was one friend I hung out with when I
• 54:40
  was in school that every single time we went any place or did anything,
• 54:47
  I got hurt, whether it was a physical injury, whether somebody was mean
• 54:53
  to me or did something scary. There were some profound ways in which I
• 54:58
  got hurt around her, and it was because she was in an unstable place,
• 55:04
  and every time I spent time with her, instead of me pulling her
• 55:08
  out of that instability, she pulled me into her instability. And I was
• 55:15
  not grounded enough to dig in my heels and not be subject to that.
• 55:22
  Right. So I wasn't wasn't I wasn't an anchor, you know. I
• 55:28
  was more of like the poor schlub on a on a pair of water skis,
• 55:34
  hanging onto the little triangular thing behind the boat going slow down. So
• 55:38
  I decided to let go. The point of of this being, when you
• 55:45
  have a friendship like that, you put yourself in danger if you continue to
• 55:52
  make yourself a part of this person's instability. So when with him doing this,
• 55:57
  this maybe um continuation of the trust issue, but it might also be
• 56:04
  concerned that this this is going to get her hurt. Guys protect their their
• 56:13
  partners in ways that their partners are not always aware of. I doubt my
• 56:17
  husband would have been comfortable with me continuing that friendship if I had still been
• 56:22
  in it when we met and when we got together, like I think,
• 56:28
  he probably would have said, you know, every time you hang out with
• 56:30
  her, you get hurt. You probably should just cut her off. And
• 56:36
  that might be the conversation they had in the background. You never know,
• 56:43
  But women who women who can't respect amends concerns about their faithfulness and their trust
• 56:58
  their trustworthiness also aren't going to respect a man's concerns about their safety. Yeah,
• 57:08
  agreed. I mean, I'm just again with this last thing. I'm
• 57:16
  concerned about why he would even choose someone that has an unstable past with unstable
• 57:23
  people if he wants to then find a stable future, you know. I
• 57:30
  mean, yeah, I think this is a this is a vulnerability, and
• 57:38
  I know it all. I know a lot of guys, you know,
• 57:40
  get together with a woman who is exciting and fun and sexy, and all
• 57:45
  that, and and then realize that those things don't make her a perfect partner,
• 57:52
  right and right, you know, like a woman can be exciting and
• 57:57
  fun and sexy without being unstable though exactly this is where you're supposed to chime
• 58:05
  in. My god, damn it. You know it's been four years and
• 58:08
  yet to detect a single sign of crazy, and Lauren, it's so weird.
• 58:15
  Women are supposed to be crazy, and Lauren's just start here being all
• 58:17
  not crazy. I'm pretty chure she's a FED. That's that's my advice.
• 58:29
  You see. The obvious thing for a fed to say is that I'm not
• 58:32
  a FED, So I won't say I'm not a fed. Exactly. Yeah,
• 58:37
  I'm sat here in a fed touse, pretty convinced I'm setting fed to.
• 58:43
  You're pretty comfortable, though, aren't you. Yeah, she's got I'm
• 58:47
  gonna say yes. So here's here's the thing. Um, you guys are
• 58:58
  adorable. So what we're looking at here? This image is from last year,
• 59:07
  two years ago. Actually this year. He's thirty nine, so he
• 59:13
  would have been like thirty seven, which for so he's a millennial. No
• 59:21
  that's not right. Um, he's in stage gen xer maybe jen beginning gen
• 59:29
  Y, like the younger siblings of gen xers probably didn't grow up with as
• 59:36
  much outdoor without the parents time as say my age group. I was born
• 59:42
  in nineteen seventy two, so I'm about eleven years older. Um. They
• 59:49
  clearly he's led a comfortable life, right because he came to the Hollywood scene
• 59:54
  pretty pretty fluffy and very comfortable well, and he grew up in Hollywood,
• 1:00:00
  I mean like started acting during during his youth, his teen years. So
• 1:00:06
  you're you're looking at somebody who didn't get a chance to have a normal growing
• 1:00:08
  up process around dating and relationships and stuff. He may just not have been
• 1:00:14
  mature enough at the start of their relationship to realize, you know that that
• 1:00:20
  his ultimate plan and in dating, which is to find a life partner and
• 1:00:25
  and become a family man um for him. Like what he described to her,
• 1:00:32
  it was wasn't compatible with the woman he was dating, right, But
• 1:00:37
  he's obviously developed that maturity. And the reason that I will say that is
• 1:00:42
  this last bit here. If he had started out with if you need and
• 1:00:47
  then he says, I am not the right partner for you. If these
• 1:00:52
  things bring you to a place of happiness. I support it, and there
• 1:00:57
  will be no hard feelings. These are my boundaries or romantic partnership, meaning
• 1:01:01
  I for me to have intimacy, need to under need, need to know
• 1:01:09
  that you're going to be loyal and monogamous with me and not put yourself in
• 1:01:15
  danger with unstable women other women who are unstable, and and uh engagement with
• 1:01:23
  men who may be there to attempt you to cheat. Right, That's that's
• 1:01:30
  what he's basically asking. He was more specific than that, but that specificity
• 1:01:36
  all revolves around don't look like you're going to cheat on me, don't cheat
• 1:01:42
  on me, don't exclude me from your exciting happy moments, and don't engage
• 1:01:50
  in a lot of high risk behaviors with other women. That's that's not unreasonable.
• 1:01:54
  No, no, and treat they're treating him like he's the bad guy
• 1:02:00
  for it. That last paragraph. He didn't say, if you need these
• 1:02:05
  things, you are not the right partner for me. Right. What you
• 1:02:09
  say, I am not the right partner for you? Exactly exactly, and
• 1:02:16
  that he made himself the stick in the mud to her, h hollygo lightly
• 1:02:22
  life. It's it's it's basically the the self actualization and the self realization of
• 1:02:31
  it's not you, it's me, right, Like, you don't mesh with
• 1:02:38
  my lifestyle, so maybe you need to go, you know. And and
• 1:02:45
  he didn't in such a respectful way, like he didn't shame her for what
• 1:02:51
  she was doing. He didn't, he didn't call her slut and saw no
• 1:02:54
  expletives right, no, no, no four letter words that one might call
• 1:03:00
  a woman in this position who felt it necessary to go and put herself on
• 1:03:08
  display for public consumption. Right, he chose none of those words to call
• 1:03:15
  her. He was so respectful in this, and for this to be turned
• 1:03:22
  around and kick it back in his faces if he is the problem is just
• 1:03:28
  the goddamn if it is not the personification of what society is doing to men.
• 1:03:36
  It's like there's never enough. You can't be docile enough, you can't
• 1:03:42
  be complacent enough, you can't be accepting enough of these women's behavior. Right,
• 1:03:52
  there's nothing that you can Just forget it. I don't understand why you
• 1:03:55
  do it at all. Just forget it. There's novel at which you can
• 1:04:01
  accept a woman's fuckery that will make it acceptable for you. Okay, this
• 1:04:10
  is a good guy. No, no, no, no, no,
• 1:04:15
  Well, the thing that strikes me about it is how much he took responsibility
• 1:04:20
  for this and absolved her of responsibility. This exactly so she met him and
• 1:04:27
  he met her like they had to have gotten to know each other and obviously
• 1:04:33
  like, yes, he dated a woman he's incompatible with. She dated a
• 1:04:38
  man she's incompatible with, and he took responsibility, saying, I'm the stick
• 1:04:45
  in the mud. I'm not going to fit into your lifestyle. I should
• 1:04:48
  go. Not you don't fit into my lifestyle. You've got to go.
• 1:04:53
  I don't fit into your lifestyle. I'm I'm the fly in the ointment.
• 1:05:00
  I should be removed. You've got you need to be with somebody that's more
• 1:05:04
  interested in the things you're interested in. Right, you should? Not you
• 1:05:08
  should? You should get away from me? Right like like not not me,
• 1:05:14
  I'm trying to tie you down. No, I think that you belong
• 1:05:18
  somewhere else, So you just fly fly fly brobbly fly flab. I'm sorry.
• 1:05:30
  Well, and it's just if these things bring you to a place of
• 1:05:32
  happiness, I support it is pretty openly non judgmental, like this is fine.
• 1:05:39
  Yeah, you know, there's nothing, there's nothing wrong with what you're
• 1:05:42
  doing. You're not the bad guy. I'm just gonna be you know,
• 1:05:45
  I'm I'm gonna be the ball in chain, and you don't want a ball
• 1:05:48
  in chain. So let's this is not a healthy relationship. That's that's fair.
• 1:05:54
  There's nothing unfair in anything he said there. And would I would not
• 1:05:59
  have ever been as charitable he was. Well, the thing and the thing
• 1:06:05
  is, you know he was, he was that charitable. Yeah, and
• 1:06:09
  what did she do? She turned around and accused him of abuse. Now
• 1:06:13
  I want to say something right like posted it as if oh my god,
• 1:06:17
  look at how bad this guy is. And not just that, but the
• 1:06:21
  timing. All right. Yeah, So Hollywood couples like they get they get
• 1:06:28
  um publicity for everything they do off of everything they do, right, And
• 1:06:34
  and that's if you make movies, if you do something that you need to
• 1:06:39
  promote all the time. Um, there's promotion that you do. That's work
• 1:06:44
  where you go out and you talk to the public and you do events and
• 1:06:46
  you get your picture taken and you smile for the cameras and blah blah blah.
• 1:06:50
  Right, um, and then there's also this person just had a great
• 1:06:57
  moment in their life and the news is going to report on it. Your
• 1:07:00
  name's in the media then, and they'll talk about the work that you've done
• 1:07:04
  in conjunction with Hey, your name's in the in the media right now,
• 1:07:10
  your name's out all over the place, right so your movies are gonna get
• 1:07:13
  talked about. Your your other work's gonna get talked about. Um and and
• 1:07:17
  that's cool. And so his wife just had a baby, and this,
• 1:07:27
  the way this has been presented is so dishonest. She says that she waited
• 1:07:31
  until after the baby was born so that she wouldn't physically affect the couple with
• 1:07:38
  what she was going to release. I call bullshit bull shit? Has she
• 1:07:46
  not ever heard of postpartum depression? For one thing? Like you, you
• 1:07:50
  don't stop being hormonal after birth, You get differently hormonal after birth. So
• 1:07:58
  there is no she's not sparing any when anything by doing this. The only
• 1:08:02
  thing she is doing is now all the news is about her, and a
• 1:08:10
  great deal of the news about him is negative. So she basically just stole
• 1:08:16
  his baby's thunder. Yeah, and that was not an accident. So one
• 1:08:25
  of the big symptoms of bipolar disorder attention seeking. Attension seeking, Hello,
• 1:08:35
  you know, how can you possibly possibly get more attention seeking than to steal
• 1:08:42
  your ex partner's baby's thunder with a pathetic attempt like this, You know,
• 1:08:55
  I like that sad. And as for it, you know, not affecting
• 1:09:01
  his current partner, his wife, Like, of course it does. I
• 1:09:06
  would believe it if somebody did this to my husband. Yeah. Absolutely,
• 1:09:12
  Um, And just so for clarification, he because I'm reading about this woman
• 1:09:19
  that is now having his child, But is that his wife? Did he
• 1:09:24
  like just transitioned that fast and married this woman who's now pregnant or has had
• 1:09:30
  his child. Um, I think when they got together, they got together
• 1:09:34
  very quickly. I think they're married. I might be wrong, they might
• 1:09:39
  not be married. But this was that was the other thing. Like she
• 1:09:43
  made a big deal about the turnaround time. But it's pretty obvious from these
• 1:09:47
  texts that this relationship was fizzling out a like for quite some time. Right,
• 1:09:58
  So it's you're not gonna have the rebound time from a relationship like this
• 1:10:04
  necessarily, especially if you've been in therapy with a good therapist that actually makes
• 1:10:11
  you confront your demons and wrestle them to the ground and take responsibility for your
• 1:10:15
  handling of them. Um. Even if you can't take responsibility for their place
• 1:10:19
  of origin, you know. Um, then then you're not going to to
• 1:10:26
  mourn the end of this relationship for you know, at least half the length
• 1:10:30
  of the relationship. It doesn't always work that way. Um, it's and
• 1:10:36
  and then it's possible they were friends before too, they might have already known
• 1:10:41
  each other. Yeah, I mean, Hollywood tends to be a cesspool of
• 1:10:45
  who you're screwing and who you're about to screw next. My husband and I,
• 1:10:50
  my husband and I were both each other's rebound relationships from very serious,
• 1:10:56
  long term relationships that were painful to end, and both relationships ended in very
• 1:11:05
  different painful ways. And everybody predicted that we would not last because we were
• 1:11:12
  just a rebound relationship. We've been we've been together since nineteen ninety eight.
• 1:11:19
  I don't know, I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop. Yeah,
• 1:11:25
  really, so, I mean, like it can happen. You can
• 1:11:29
  have like the the person that you've always been compatible with, Like sometimes it's
• 1:11:34
  that friend zoned person, right that, Um, well, you're always in
• 1:11:40
  a relationship when they're single, or they're always in a relationship when you're single,
• 1:11:43
  And then all of a sudden, you're both single at the same time,
• 1:11:46
  and you commiserate together, and then you realize, duh. The reason
• 1:11:51
  these other relationships didn't work out was because maybe subconsciously I was comparing all those
• 1:11:58
  people to how good this friendship is? Where can this friendship go? Yeah?
• 1:12:03
  You know that, like that does happen, So you know, I
• 1:12:09
  wouldn't hold it against anybody being a fast turnaround time. I wouldn't hold it
• 1:12:13
  against her either, like maybe one of the guys that she goes surfing with
• 1:12:16
  this is the guy that she should have been with all along, and here
• 1:12:21
  she is pining over her ex when maybe she should be looking around going Actually,
• 1:12:30
  all this time, I've been more compatible with insert man's name here,
• 1:12:34
  because I don't know who her friends are, and actually he seems to really
• 1:12:40
  care about me, and I've been friend zoning him for however long they've known
• 1:12:45
  each other. You know that that's a very distinct possibility. In fact,
• 1:12:48
  I would call it a probability based on some of those pictures. Some like
• 1:12:55
  I said, somebody is looking at her through the camera with some degree of
• 1:13:00
  love. It could be platonic, but it doesn't necessarily have to be so
• 1:13:06
  there's that side. So I want to switch from this real quick because we've
• 1:13:11
  kind of covered what I wanted to cover about this. But then bottom line
• 1:13:15
  on this is here we have this woman right who had no real reason why
• 1:13:27
  she should have done this, like she didn't. She didn't have She's not
• 1:13:30
  a victim of anything. No harm has been done to her. She's been
• 1:13:35
  broken up with and her ex moved on and she hasn't. That's it.
• 1:13:41
  So she lashed out very publicly, shared out of context things and twisted the
• 1:13:49
  story against him and still came out looking like the bad guy in my opinion,
• 1:13:55
  and I think a lot of other people on Twitter seem to agree with
• 1:13:58
  me. So we're now looking at the mother Jones article. The mother Jones
• 1:14:05
  article is the student journalist harassed for reporting on toxic masculinity, and that is
• 1:14:15
  there's two two the mother Jones. So when you look in the chat in
• 1:14:19
  our chat um, you'll see first there is at the bottom there's uh like
• 1:14:24
  our little my answer to Lauren. Then there's the Instagram post and there's I
• 1:14:30
  don't need information despair. Oh no, no, no, this one,
• 1:14:35
  this one, this situation is a little different than the Jonah Hill situation,
• 1:14:40
  and it's it's encompassed in the early part of the article, so we may
• 1:14:44
  not go through the entire article. Um, I'm going to skip the italicized
• 1:14:50
  text, even though it's like it's fodder. What I really want is this
• 1:14:59
  this woman's story that she tells so in bold print underneath that you'll see in
• 1:15:03
  my freshman year. And that's where I'm starting. In my freshman year,
• 1:15:10
  when I joined the student newspaper, I was just trying to get a feel
• 1:15:15
  for it. At the time, I thought this would be easy. I'm
• 1:15:19
  really a really opinionated person and I have a lot of ideas and stories I
• 1:15:24
  want to write. So right away, she has just told you she is
• 1:15:28
  not a journalist. She's a commentator. I hate that. That's not journalism,
• 1:15:35
  opinionated. Being opinionated is not journalism. Not No, that's just being
• 1:15:44
  a woman. That's true, That is just being a woman. But I
• 1:15:47
  mean, Rush Limbaugh was opinionated. He didn't call himself a journalist. He
• 1:15:51
  admitted he was a commentator. What he did is commentary. Right in my
• 1:15:59
  freshman year I joined the student newspaper. Okay, so we're talking. I
• 1:16:01
  believe about college. I don't think this was a high school kid. I
• 1:16:06
  decided a profile and now I'm sorry people if people know this guy and I
• 1:16:13
  don't. I don't know this guy. I don't know if he's a great
• 1:16:15
  guy or an asshole or something in between. Probably more something in between.
• 1:16:18
  Most people are. But and I I'm hoping I'm not butchering his name.
• 1:16:26
  I decided to profile Lucas Parkter. I hope I'm supposed to pronounce the team
• 1:16:30
  in my sophomore year because my friends and I would constantly see his videos on
• 1:16:35
  TikTok. So she's now a journalist reporting on some guy on TikTok. He
• 1:16:45
  was a senior at the University of Arizona and a former fraternity president with more
• 1:16:51
  than one hundred thousand followers. So we were where are we now, cloud
• 1:16:58
  Chaser? Yeah, exactly. You know, I gotta say, I don't.
• 1:17:03
  I don't. I don't do the ticketing talk. I don't. I
• 1:17:06
  don't understand those languages. I don't. I don't follow those follows. So
• 1:17:13
  you know, one hundred thousand followers, what does that mean? And across
• 1:17:16
  what the globe? I mean, well, I would think, but yeah,
• 1:17:23
  it's a bigger channel than we are on YouTube. That's insane. It's
• 1:17:28
  insane, it's insane, and it's and it's honestly, it's fucking infuriating.
• 1:17:33
  Okay, because there's a website, a Chinese owned and operated website that exists
• 1:17:42
  off of promoting these ridiculous, nonsensical, time wasting thirty second minute second,
• 1:17:53
  you know whatever, videos of absolute bullshit that have nothing to do with your
• 1:17:59
  life. Meanwhile, there are TikTok accounts that exist that can teach you things.
• 1:18:05
  Yeah, but they don't promote those. No, no, Well,
• 1:18:12
  the big thing with this, I guess the big thing with this is like
• 1:18:15
  people are gonna watch what they want to watch. I kind of suspect that
• 1:18:17
  a lot of what gets promoted by by TikTok in the United States is based
• 1:18:23
  on the fact that a lot of young people in the United States have very
• 1:18:26
  short attention spans. Because before TikTok, there was Vine, and although Vine
• 1:18:32
  withered and died pun intended, it was similar. It was very similar to
• 1:18:40
  TikTok, and that it involved short videos and promoted a lot of lightweight stuff.
• 1:18:47
  It wasn't you know, like a lot of YouTube stuff can be very
• 1:18:51
  in depth and everything, and there's a lot of different things on YouTube that
• 1:18:56
  are popular tutorials for everything from how to make your eyes look bigger than they
• 1:19:00
  really are to how to repair the h the tirods in a in a nineteen
• 1:19:09
  ninety four Plymouth Grand Voyager Vanum just we actually looked up video to see how
• 1:19:15
  other people had dealt with the fact that they're very hard to remove after years
• 1:19:20
  and years of rest um. So, like, YouTube is very broad,
• 1:19:26
  and it's in its categories, and so is so is TikTok. But if
• 1:19:30
  you only go for what's trending on YouTube, Like if you don't have any
• 1:19:35
  history, any Google history on a particular computer, you you don't have a
• 1:19:40
  Google account that you're logged into, and Google doesn't know what you personally have
• 1:19:45
  looked up. When you open YouTube and you look at the main page,
• 1:19:49
  what it shows you is a bunch of similar items to what people complain about
• 1:19:58
  TikTok showing. Um. However, if I open up YouTube right now,
• 1:20:04
  like if I show you my front page on YouTube, you're gonna see a
• 1:20:09
  combination of videos that I watch out of weird curiosity. Like there's a channel
• 1:20:14
  that claims to be anonymous official that has I've been kind of like looking at
• 1:20:17
  some of the stuff on there, just to see who's posting as anonymous official
• 1:20:24
  UM and it's interesting it seems to be a Republican channel, but not always.
• 1:20:31
  And then you see a bunch of creepy pasta and you'd see uh,
• 1:20:34
  some some science spam uh and and a bunch of other cat videos. UM
• 1:20:42
  Like, I follow this this chick, the girl with the dogs that does
• 1:20:46
  pet grooming because her videos are very therapeutic, I guess you could say,
• 1:20:53
  right, like just she's a sweet lady and she has cute little animals,
• 1:20:58
  you know, right, so you won't see that stuff on my channel.
• 1:21:04
  Sh shush. You found this channel that does like they do kitten rescues,
• 1:21:14
  and so they they bathed the kittens like they give the kids, and it's
• 1:21:19
  should it's I don't know, it's got to be some kind of kitten as
• 1:21:24
  mr, right, but like they bade the kittens and they're just oh oh
• 1:21:29
  my, it's right. Well, it's it's good, that's fine. But
• 1:21:33
  I mean the point being I I I'm skeptical of the idea that the promotion
• 1:21:41
  of of crap from um uh TikTok is uh directed by the Chinese government and
• 1:21:50
  not just Americans watch a lot of crap, right because I think we do.
• 1:21:57
  Why not both? And I don't know unless Google is also deliberately it's
• 1:22:01
  possible maybe Google is also deliberately trying to dumb down everybody in the United States
• 1:22:05
  with UM videos about stupid. There's a weird channel that that they had for
• 1:22:14
  the longest time, UM promoted, and they continued to promote it to me
• 1:22:17
  even after I said, don't, don't, uh, don't promote this channel
• 1:22:23
  to me. There's a thing you can click and say, I don't,
• 1:22:25
  I don't want to watch this channel UM. And it's it's like called cake
• 1:22:29
  Stories or something like that, and it's really fucked up. It's videos of
• 1:22:32
  cake decorating. But when you listen to them talk, it's this teenager voice
• 1:22:40
  like horror stories, and it's but it's not just horror stories. It's like
• 1:22:44
  horror stories about girls getting kidnapped and sexually assaulted and yeah, just like really
• 1:22:51
  fucked up. You know. I I couldn't. It was a train wreck.
• 1:22:57
  I couldn't bring myself to close it until it got to a point where
• 1:23:02
  I was like, why the fuck am I listening to this? You know,
• 1:23:08
  I'm like halfway through the video going this is just getting worse and worse.
• 1:23:12
  And there's there's been a few other YouTubers that have talked about this.
• 1:23:15
  That was that continued to exist for quite a long time. And when it
• 1:23:20
  was when one would be taken down, there would be three or four more
• 1:23:24
  that would pop up, and they would post their videos. Instead of titling
• 1:23:30
  them with a word title, they would use uh all key code text,
• 1:23:40
  so you would have like you know, square, uh spade, uh,
• 1:23:45
  you know, question mark dot as their title or you know other little little
• 1:23:54
  icon you know, dingbats. The title would be made of dingbats for for
• 1:24:00
  old school uh uh fun users and and it was just like nuts right,
• 1:24:06
  and YouTube would promote that. So, I don't know, it's just I
• 1:24:12
  don't I'm skeptical of the whole It's it's just China doing this, this trying
• 1:24:17
  to dumb down the public. I think it's too late for that. Um.
• 1:24:21
  The thing that's insidious about TikTok that prevents me from being willing to use
• 1:24:27
  it is their their data theft. Like I know, I'm I'm um giving
• 1:24:33
  Google my data. Um, but the data theft from TikTok extends to getting
• 1:24:39
  your your passwords for everything, and uh, getting information from devices around you
• 1:24:46
  that don't necessarily have TikTok on them, you know, like they hasn't been
• 1:24:54
  nobody's open TikTok using that device and stuff like that. I don't I don't
• 1:24:58
  like that. That's that is actually really sneaky. Um. You know,
• 1:25:01
  Google can Google can track everywhere I've been. The worst thing that will come
• 1:25:06
  to that is I can't hide from anybody, right. But at the same
• 1:25:10
  time, you know, if I ever have to go to court and prove
• 1:25:12
  where I was, I'm gonna I'm gonna get my Google timeline out and be
• 1:25:15
  like, well Google says I was here. So there's that. But this
• 1:25:21
  this woman goes after this guy and she she goes you know, he's got
• 1:25:27
  more than one hundred thousand followers. So like that's why I said cloud Chaser,
• 1:25:30
  because he's his his videos are popular, and I think when you have
• 1:25:34
  that kind of popularity, it's either because your subject matter resonates with a group
• 1:25:39
  of people, or it's very entertaining and attention grabbing in the moment. It's
• 1:25:45
  like most of the cat videos. I watch a lot of the cat videos.
• 1:25:47
  I watch will have hundreds of thousands or millions of views, because I
• 1:25:53
  mean, who doesn't love cute little animals? Michael, WHOA, you don't
• 1:26:00
  cute little should the right. I'll be honest. I say this as a
• 1:26:10
  person who has actually been been um fascinated by the cuteness of an animal one
• 1:26:16
  moment and dropped it head first into a pot of boiling water the next.
• 1:26:20
  Lobsters are adorable, but they're so delicious. Holy shit, are they delicious?
• 1:26:28
  Man? Give some butter all. Yeah. Yeah, I scared the
• 1:26:32
  shit out of my ex fiance doing that too, because I'm like, oh,
• 1:26:34
  look at a cut eyeballs and he's like, you're not gonna be able
• 1:26:39
  to eat that if you keep that out, And I just looked at him
• 1:26:41
  and I picked it up by the tail and dropped it in the water.
• 1:26:44
  Um. It's like, I don't understand people that eat fish eyeballs. That
• 1:26:50
  to me is sorry, I don't know if they tasted good, I would.
• 1:26:58
  Yeah, you have to understand first hats. First hats probably believe it
• 1:27:04
  hats fish hats best has hit them up. Yum, I don't get the
• 1:27:11
  reference. I'm oh, my god, you have to hear that one you
• 1:27:17
  have to be. I think you have to be American or possibly Canadian and
• 1:27:23
  old. Uh, other people will get it. Um. The flip side
• 1:27:30
  of that was a song called If I was a Bicycle Seat that you really
• 1:27:36
  should hear. But in any case that Yeah. So this this guy has
• 1:27:42
  um all these followers, and she's mad because she doesn't like his content.
• 1:27:49
  Um, I don't, join, says, I get it. Anybody that
• 1:27:55
  ever listened to the Doctor Demento show back in the eighties and nineties will get
• 1:27:58
  it. But and she didn't like his content. And I think his content
• 1:28:04
  had a combination. I suspect his content had a combination of being attention grabbing
• 1:28:10
  and actually being of a subject matter that she didn't like. So she says
• 1:28:15
  his videos ranged from fitness content to digestible motivational pidbits to just flexing in front
• 1:28:23
  of his phone, which probably got a lot of college girls to watch,
• 1:28:30
  because I would have watched that when I was in college. So he also
• 1:28:34
  had Q and A videos where he answered anonymous messages from people asking him questions
• 1:28:39
  about how to deal with social anxiety, breakups, and even substance abuse.
• 1:28:43
  So to me, so far, this guy sounds like a pretty good guy.
• 1:28:47
  Yeah, you know. He presented himself as someone who is provocative and
• 1:28:53
  bold. In one video, he said he had very little respect for people
• 1:28:56
  who were morbidly obese. But what was really so controversial about a fraternity kid
• 1:29:01
  being cocky? His content seemed to like, seemed like a big joke to
• 1:29:05
  be Honestum, So, just because somebody doesn't doesn't like fat, doesn't doesn't
• 1:29:15
  mean they're a problem. And I will say this, Um, just because
• 1:29:18
  some weight disorders are caused in part or entirely by other health conditions, glandular
• 1:29:30
  conditions and stuff like that, does not make does not create a situation which
• 1:29:35
  you owe all people who are morbidly obese your respect necessarily. Like that's kind
• 1:29:45
  of Uh, that's a no brainer. There are people that'll that'll have have
• 1:29:49
  that condition due to circumstances beyond their control and have limited ability to get out
• 1:29:56
  of that situation. And then there will be people who are that way through
• 1:30:00
  their own own fault and could get out of this. And I, UM,
• 1:30:10
  I've had people close to me in both circumstances, and I've I've had
• 1:30:15
  family members and friends who have gone to extreme measures to lose weight and I've
• 1:30:20
  I've got some some folks in my life that are in a situation where they've
• 1:30:26
  just been told there's nothing you can do, and I'm I'm like, find
• 1:30:30
  a new doctor. But there's it's kind of it's more of a you know,
• 1:30:38
  it's like when somebody says that to a cancer patient patient, there's nothing
• 1:30:42
  you can do, and you're like, no, find a new doctor.
• 1:30:43
  You don't want to accept that. Yeah, once in a blue moon,
• 1:30:46
  there is a truth that you don't want to accept, and it doesn't stop
• 1:30:50
  being true just because you don't want to accept it. So, you know,
• 1:30:56
  it doesn't make it okay for everybody else to imitate that though, and
• 1:31:00
  doesn't make it something that should be common. And it's not hateful to point
• 1:31:06
  out that people who can help it, you know, would be more respectable
• 1:31:12
  if they bettered themselves, because that's part of the goal of being a human
• 1:31:16
  being living your life. Part of that goal is giving your love to other
• 1:31:21
  people in a variety of ways, including things like having a job and engaging
• 1:31:30
  in your labor to provide a service to your community. That's love. You
• 1:31:34
  are invested in the welfare of your community in some way. Right, it's
• 1:31:40
  not romantic love, but it's still love, right, That's part of it.
• 1:31:44
  Another part of it is improving yourself, becoming the best you that you
• 1:31:47
  can be, and encouraging people to wallow in some level of not the best
• 1:31:54
  you that you can be is cruel when there's something they can do about it.
• 1:32:00
  So I just I hate when they bring up an example like that and
• 1:32:03
  they're like, just a bad guy because he doesn't like fat people like So
• 1:32:10
  when I interviewed him in late August last year, I told him I wanted
• 1:32:15
  this to be conversation about his platform in his life. I didn't even know
• 1:32:19
  what I wanted this story to be about until I interviewed him. Anybody's smelling
• 1:32:26
  some bullshit here. I just thought, this is someone who would be an
• 1:32:30
  interesting person to talk to, someone who's relevant to campus life, and it'll
• 1:32:33
  probably make a good story, Okay. He seemed like just a regular guy.
• 1:32:43
  He described himself as a loser when he was a kid. He said
• 1:32:45
  he had no friends, he was happy to talk about himself, and he
• 1:32:48
  was perfectly nice. I asked him questions like do you think there's any validity
• 1:32:54
  to the term alpha male? Like why is that the first question you would
• 1:32:58
  ask a guy if you think he's just an ordinary, perfectly nice guy,
• 1:33:02
  right, And and what does it have to do with any kadium thing?
• 1:33:06
  I mean exactly. And that is just redundant, because if you're just meeting
• 1:33:13
  this guy, why is that one of the questions that you ask him,
• 1:33:17
  Unless you're searching for something, unless you're fishing? Yep? Do you think
• 1:33:26
  there's any validity to the term alpha male? Like hello, ordinary average?
• 1:33:32
  There's as much amblivity as there is to the term aquarius. I don't I
• 1:33:40
  don't know how many people I'm pissing off by saying this, But the whole
• 1:33:42
  day of alpha male, beta male, sigma male, any of these Greek
• 1:33:47
  beta males, it's basically a horoscope. It doesn't mean anything. It's just
• 1:33:54
  like it is a bunch of bondom statements that may or may not apply to
• 1:33:59
  you. Which one of these are you? Oh? Yeah, I'm definitely
• 1:34:02
  an alpha, I'm definitely a beta. I'm definitely as a segment. No
• 1:34:06
  one's gonna say I'm definitely. That's how these things work. There are there
• 1:34:12
  are yeah, there's things like alpha and segment that are good, and there
• 1:34:15
  are things like beta that are bad and which makes it even less reliable than
• 1:34:24
  than than a horoscope. It's it's not a self categorization. It's it's it's
• 1:34:30
  an assumption based on a public like a general consensus. Yeah. Well it's
• 1:34:40
  kind of like introvert, extrovert and all that too, like most people are
• 1:34:45
  a mix of introversion and extroversion and there there. Then there's that um four
• 1:34:51
  lettered categorization that's a lot more complex, and it's intended to sort out different
• 1:34:58
  personality traits into yeah that person and all that. Yeah, and I've taken
• 1:35:05
  those tests and I don't get the same personality type every time. Yeah,
• 1:35:11
  I don't think I have multiple personalities. I don't think I'm that insanely complex
• 1:35:16
  of a person. J O O. Balls, says Myers Briggs. Yes,
• 1:35:24
  the Myers brazy. I've taken it twice, and I've taken it twice
• 1:35:28
  and I've only UM varied by one integer bull time. So i think I'm
• 1:35:35
  pretty solid with UM where I'm at on that scale. Yeah. No,
• 1:35:43
  personalities are not set in stone. No, no, no, I don't.
• 1:35:46
  I don't know how to express this rhetorically or allegorically, but Stone is
• 1:35:53
  supposed to be the same thing for millions of years. Personalities, and they're
• 1:36:00
  like water, right, I mean even life, well, life like water,
• 1:36:06
  they're like film because we don't have the same human cells seven years time
• 1:36:14
  to time. Every cell we have in our body is replaced within with them
• 1:36:19
  within seven years, so we're quite a lot like water in that way.
• 1:36:24
  Nothing, nothing, everything is fluid. And I know I sound like some
• 1:36:30
  pretentious, fucking sent Buddhists right now, but to some degree this is true.
• 1:36:33
  Everything is fluid, life, everything, Yeah, it's not just life.
• 1:36:40
  Everything is fluid, but life is especially fluid. It's even more fluid
• 1:36:45
  than what we call fluid. You spend your whole life learning things like if
• 1:36:50
  you don't, you're not really living, right, So you spend your whole
• 1:36:54
  life from birth till death learning new things. And as you learn some of
• 1:37:01
  the more profound lessons, things that tell you m universal truths or truths about
• 1:37:11
  human beings you know, as a as a population, and stuff like that,
• 1:37:14
  truths about your self, truths about your environment that you hadn't figured out
• 1:37:19
  prior you um, you just change. If your personality is the same at
• 1:37:30
  fifty as it was at twenty, you have learned nothing. You have not
• 1:37:38
  lived something is wrong, right. Your values might not dramatically change, but
• 1:37:46
  your personality will. It'll evolve, it'll grow and and you'll become more mature.
• 1:37:56
  Like that's normal. So, but you might be you might seem more
• 1:38:01
  like an extroverted person when you're younger and you're more immature. Um, and
• 1:38:06
  as you develop a greater calm in middle age, or maybe become more of
• 1:38:15
  a stick in the mud in middle age, or maybe become more adventurous,
• 1:38:19
  you might be more or less of an extrovert. That's that's pretty normal,
• 1:38:24
  right, But yeah, it just of course your personality should not be the
• 1:38:30
  same for throughout your whole life. Can you imagine a bunch of eighty year
• 1:38:34
  olds running around with the immaturity of of college kids? Oh god, oh
• 1:38:44
  god? Like it just it would be embarrassing. So there you go.
• 1:38:50
  Um, that's that's funny. I pronounced the name correctly. I'm glad um.
• 1:39:00
  But let's see where I was. Do you think there's any any validity
• 1:39:05
  to the term alpha male so for and it's application to humans. I think
• 1:39:12
  it's a very it has very limited applications there, honestly, very limited,
• 1:39:16
  and I think people overuse it quite a bit, and I think that the
• 1:39:21
  common usage of it is completely invalid. But he was asked and he said
• 1:39:30
  he told me personally, he personally could tell if someone was an alpha within
• 1:39:34
  seconds of meeting them. It's not about looks, he told me. It's
• 1:39:39
  about the energy a person puts out, okay, and so and I would
• 1:39:45
  agree with that, okay, because I think that I'm someone that people would
• 1:39:50
  can describe as an alpha female. Right at at my job, I'm very
• 1:39:57
  I don't want to say alpha, that's so, I'm very um forward,
• 1:40:04
  I'm very vocal. I am very you know. And alpha would be a
• 1:40:14
  person that takes takes a leadership position, takes responsibility for getting things done,
• 1:40:18
  takes responsibility for the welfare of the coworkers and the workplace and so on,
• 1:40:25
  right, right, And you have to be assertive, you have to be
• 1:40:30
  confident, right and all that. So people when they apply that term a
• 1:40:34
  lot of times, like what he probably is talking about is an individual who
• 1:40:40
  demonstrates being comfortable in their own skin. People people call that alpha frequently.
• 1:40:48
  Yeah, and yeah, I you know, when it comes down to it,
• 1:40:54
  And with me, if I were going to say what I am in
• 1:40:57
  the workplace, and i'd have to label myself with something like that, I'm
• 1:41:00
  that person who will will I'll follow the rules. I'll you know, work
• 1:41:05
  as the supporting individual in a project as long as you don't fucking micromanage me.
• 1:41:13
  I hate that. I absolutely know what I'm doing, all right,
• 1:41:17
  and I would rather work alone on my part of the project than have to
• 1:41:24
  constantly be tag teaming back and forth on things. And I grew up in
• 1:41:30
  a business where you have to be able to not be micromanaged. You have
• 1:41:39
  to know your shit, you have to be able to like there were so
• 1:41:43
  many times when my dad and I were working on a event together and with
• 1:41:49
  a hand signal and a and a glance, we could tell each other,
• 1:41:55
  I'm going to do this, you go do that, yeah, and that
• 1:41:58
  was the end of the discussion, Like there was no words would have to
• 1:42:00
  be exchanged, and you know, like that's that's what I'm used to.
• 1:42:04
  And I think people would call me, what's the one that's not alpha or
• 1:42:09
  beta zeta? I think so. I think most people would call me that,
• 1:42:14
  um and and it's it's just because like I just do my thing and
• 1:42:19
  I get it done, and I don't want to tell everybody else what to
• 1:42:24
  do. I hate that too. I don't like that. It's just not
• 1:42:28
  yeah, it's um. It's not that I shy away from the responsibility.
• 1:42:31
  It's just I hate being micromanaged, so I don't want to do anybody else.
• 1:42:34
  Yes, yes, that's exactly where I'm at right now. But right
• 1:42:41
  now I also hate the label. I don't like the label zeta. I
• 1:42:45
  don't like the label alpha. I don't like the label beta. If I'm
• 1:42:48
  stuck in a position where I have to organize something, I can do it.
• 1:42:53
  If I'm stuck in a position where I have to be micromanaged, I
• 1:42:56
  can do it. Um, I'm so, I'm water. So I have
• 1:43:00
  to agree with Mike. I don't. I don't like the common usage of
• 1:43:04
  the terms, and I think it's I don't think it's valid the way those
• 1:43:11
  terms are used by people. Most of the time. I think they see
• 1:43:14
  a confident person in like elpha UM. I don't know. I think most
• 1:43:20
  people have some degree of all three of those within them and will do what
• 1:43:28
  works best for them and their team in the situation. And then occasionally there
• 1:43:32
  are people that only fit into one of those things right, and it actually
• 1:43:38
  causes them more problems than anything. Yeah, And that's the only thing that
• 1:43:44
  I was going to add on to it, is that it's it's situational more
• 1:43:47
  than anything, you know, because um, it really kind of just depends
• 1:43:53
  on how we relate to each other. Yeah, and so in certain situations,
• 1:44:00
  yes, one person has to be the more dominant figure and the others
• 1:44:06
  have to follow the lead. But so if that's where we're considering alpha versus
• 1:44:13
  beta or whatever other you know, terminology, then okay, fine, but
• 1:44:19
  you can't we can't discredit the person that stands out and sticks their necks out
• 1:44:28
  right to be that person in the lead, to be the person in charge.
• 1:44:33
  Um, is that what an alpha means? And again I think it's
• 1:44:40
  situational. I think it's it's really subjective to the person and what they feel
• 1:44:47
  is, you know, more significant leader role. Right, Um, I
• 1:44:58
  don't know, it's yeah, it's like I said, it's it's just one
• 1:45:01
  of those things where I find the terminology useless motion of the time, right,
• 1:45:12
  Yeah. So park Parked encouraged guys to embrace their masculinity, but he
• 1:45:16
  was also openly vulnerable on TikTok. People respected that he transformed her a self
• 1:45:21
  described loser into what I called him in my piece, a hyper masculine jem
• 1:45:27
  bro whose fanboys believed he got hot chicks left and right. Joe Gee,
• 1:45:32
  that's that's quite a quite a thing to say about an individual there. Um,
• 1:45:39
  she wasn't stereotyping him at all. But of all that was an but
• 1:45:45
  all of that was an empty promise for the young men who watches videos,
• 1:45:48
  telling them they can stop being a loser if they too do this, or
• 1:45:51
  that young men do have a lot of trouble finding positive role models, and
• 1:45:56
  Parked seemed to fill a void. He told me, lots of guys don't
• 1:46:00
  want to talk about their problems because they don't want to come off as vulnerable,
• 1:46:03
  and part makes these videos to help with that. So now we get
• 1:46:08
  into the nitty gritty here, right, what I found problematic and what I
• 1:46:14
  wrote about, or some of his other points. Right, So she talks
• 1:46:18
  about what this guy seems like, a perfectly normal guy with some great characteristics
• 1:46:25
  that makes videos and he's trying to help other guys. So she did a
• 1:46:31
  hit piece on him. He said that the primary role of a man is
• 1:46:36
  to be the protector, and that's something men should be proud of that was
• 1:46:42
  problematic. She had a problem with him noting that men are put into this
• 1:46:47
  role and deciding that they should take pride in it, take pride in it.
• 1:46:57
  Yeah, you know. And so if you have a problem with that,
• 1:47:00
  um, I suggest that the next time you find your house broken into,
• 1:47:04
  call your mom and see what she's gonna do to come and help you.
• 1:47:10
  And how how problematic would it be if she couldn't be right there with
• 1:47:15
  some sort of I don't know, maybe firearm to help protect you. No,
• 1:47:23
  no, no, you jesus, it's it's it's always a problem until
• 1:47:30
  it's necessary. Yeah, he said, that's what it is. He said
• 1:47:38
  it man. Men's primary role is to do the things that society expects men
• 1:47:44
  to do, and they should be proud of fulfilling society's expectations of them.
• 1:47:48
  And she got mad. Yeah yeah, I don't know, lady, just
• 1:47:58
  go, oh my god. I hope you never ever need a man to
• 1:48:01
  do anything for you. I hope you find that self sufficiency that these feminists
• 1:48:08
  have lied to you about that you can find within you know, you can
• 1:48:12
  do anything a man can do, except when it comes to defending your fucking
• 1:48:16
  home. Yeah, there you go. Next time your home gets broken into,
• 1:48:19
  call your loudest yass queen. Exactly. But I hope she's never I
• 1:48:26
  hope she never expresses pride in being pretty, graceful, m or nurturing,
• 1:48:39
  right, or or any of the things that are considered feminine, because she
• 1:48:48
  just told him he can't be proud of fulfilling society's expectations of him as a
• 1:48:55
  man, exactly, of his masculinity. Exactly, what can he be proud
• 1:49:00
  of if he can't be proud of that? Right? I did what I
• 1:49:04
  was expected to do very well, right, and I helped people. Right
• 1:49:13
  if she's if she's ever in a situation, maybe raise his kids, takes
• 1:49:18
  care of his sick friend, anything like that, I hope she doesn't ever
• 1:49:21
  feel good about you know, I I helped this person feel better when they
• 1:49:29
  were down, because, by golly, that's something that society expects women to
• 1:49:33
  do, and you shouldn't take pride in meeting society's expectations for you, right,
• 1:49:41
  Right, then he goes. He goes on other videos describe untouched women
• 1:49:45
  as preferable to those who have high body counts. Mister right reminder to our
• 1:49:53
  listeners. According to the Centers for Disease Control in the United States STI bistically,
• 1:50:00
  half the population has sexually transmitted diseases one in two people. Right now.
• 1:50:10
  I think probably there's some overlap. There's probably not people. There's probably
• 1:50:18
  some people that have multiple illnesses that are getting counted. But I at least
• 1:50:26
  I hope that it's not one in two people. Right But according to the
• 1:50:30
  Centers for Disease Control, one in two people as an STI. So it's
• 1:50:35
  just a discussing. And let's not forget how common um herpie simplex one also
• 1:50:44
  known as cold sores. Yeah, if you count that as an STI,
• 1:50:47
  it's eighty percent of the population. I'm not such a nobody. Oh god,
• 1:50:55
  So let's go back to other videos describe untouched women as prefer bull to
• 1:51:00
  those who have high body counts. His followers have compared him to Andrew Tate,
• 1:51:03
  to which he said that he has nothing against him. Sure he's a
• 1:51:09
  misogynist, which is unfortunate. I still haven't heard anything presented as Tate's misogyny
• 1:51:18
  that didn't turn out to be taken out of context and twisted to be something
• 1:51:23
  that it wasn't when he originally said it. But okay, but he respects
• 1:51:29
  honesty and motivational skills. I just I just need to reset for a second
• 1:51:33
  because I'm trying to figure out who the hell we're talking about. Who is
• 1:51:38
  making these statements against against Andrew Tate. And this is a college guy,
• 1:51:44
  yeah, yeah, Lucas Pactor. So it's also a male who is railing
• 1:51:49
  against Andrew Tate and saying all of this bullshit like, you know, well,
• 1:51:57
  we don't know if he railed. He might have just been presented with,
• 1:52:00
  well but Andrew Tates a misogynist. Well, yeah, you know,
• 1:52:03
  and he might have that might have been the whole conversation. Well but Andrew
• 1:52:06
  Tates a misogynist? Okay, well yeah, you know, and maybe he
• 1:52:10
  just didn't argue with her. You know, we don't know if he actually
• 1:52:15
  thinks that, or if it's a talking point he didn't argue with. We
• 1:52:18
  don't know how emphatic he was in his statements regarding it. We're getting this
• 1:52:26
  all through her, so it's it's hard to hard to judge. Yeah,
• 1:52:32
  but I don't think Andrew Tates a misogynist. Maybe really blunt I have said
• 1:52:40
  this over and over again. A main characteristic of love is being invested in
• 1:52:47
  the welfare of your loved one. You want them to have the best they
• 1:52:54
  can have in life. Happiness, uh, success, well, you know,
• 1:52:59
  well being, mental health, everything to be good as good as it
• 1:53:03
  can be for them. That's you're invested in it. You're you're willing to
• 1:53:08
  take to play your part in your relationship with that person to further that.
• 1:53:15
  So you know, as a friend, for instance, if one of my
• 1:53:18
  friends is about to do something profoundly stupid and they're gonna get hurt, because
• 1:53:25
  I love my friend, I will say, maybe you should think about that
• 1:53:29
  again. Have you considered this potential consequence. I think this might not be
• 1:53:33
  as good of an idea as you think it is. What do you think,
• 1:53:38
  you know, Like, I'm gonna try to talk them out of it.
• 1:53:41
  And if my friend is about to go someplace, you know where they're
• 1:53:46
  going to be judged on their looks and their hygiene and everything, and they
• 1:53:50
  have body odor, I'm going to say you need deodorant and you need to
• 1:53:56
  clean up a little bit first, because you think, you know, if
• 1:53:59
  they if they have that body odor. It's what you do when you love
• 1:54:02
  someone, and people who love me do that for me too, And like
• 1:54:09
  there are some people on Twitter that I get into knockdown, drag out arguments
• 1:54:12
  with that people think we hate each other, but actually we're honing each other's
• 1:54:16
  ideas and we are challenging each other to rise to greater levels of logic and
• 1:54:24
  reason and intelligence in in our you know, mosh pit of argument and and
• 1:54:34
  sometimes you have tough love where you have to say, I'm not going to
• 1:54:42
  pay your electric bill anymore because when I pay your electric bill, you then
• 1:54:46
  think that you can budget for heroin. And I'm not going to buy your
• 1:54:51
  heroine anymore by paying your electric bill, because I don't want you to die
• 1:54:57
  from a heroin overdose or no poisoning. And you do that not because you're
• 1:55:04
  angry that the person is using, you know, or that you judge them.
• 1:55:10
  It's because you don't want them to die alone in a tent on the
• 1:55:15
  street with the needle stuck in their arm, having convulsions, banging their head
• 1:55:21
  on the sidewalk, you know. And sometimes you talk about things like if
• 1:55:35
  you have sex with lots and lots of people, you take a higher risk
• 1:55:40
  of getting a sexually transmitted disease. If you have sex with lots and lots
• 1:55:46
  of people. You have a bigger chance of getting pregnant in a circumstance where
• 1:55:53
  you're not going to raise the child with the father of your baby. That's
• 1:55:57
  a dumb idea. Don't do it right. If you love women, you
• 1:56:03
  should be able to criticize them right now. I know that there's a lot
• 1:56:10
  of criticism of Andrew Tate taking advantage of men selling them a load of bullshit,
• 1:56:15
  and you know his I don't. I don't get into all that I'm
• 1:56:20
  talking. I'm confronting the misogyny allegation. Nothing I have heard him say is
• 1:56:29
  misogynistic. I feel like I'm listening to a man who loves women and wants
• 1:56:39
  women to be the best people they can be, because being the best person,
• 1:56:45
  the best you that you can be, leads you to have the best
• 1:56:48
  life experience you can have. And I think he believes the things that he
• 1:56:58
  tells men, and I think he believes the things that he says about women,
• 1:57:02
  and he is probably wrong on some things and right on some things.
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  So I don't. I don't. I'm not going to judge the guy based
• 1:57:13
  on modern ideas of misogyny, because I think that's bullshit. I think the
• 1:57:19
  misogyny allegation is bullshit. I haven't had an opportunity or time to evaluate the
• 1:57:27
  con artist allegation, but as bullshitty as the misogyny allegation is, I'm skeptical
• 1:57:33
  of the con artist allegation until I see evidence that he's giving men profoundly bad
• 1:57:43
  advice and selling it to them. And it's possibly is because I, like,
• 1:57:48
  I don't know if he's a pickup artist or not. Like, pickup
• 1:57:51
  artists aren't necessarily the smartest at preventing things like false allegations and stuff like that,
• 1:57:59
  right, So uh if if, um, it's possible that you know
• 1:58:04
  that this this guy uh parked or that he thinks Tait is a misogynist because
• 1:58:11
  that's been reported all through the media and he's in university and he may have
• 1:58:15
  even had it addressed in class because there are there are actual um organized uh
• 1:58:25
  seminars online for university staff on how to educate students that the men's rights movement,
• 1:58:34
  that pick up artists, that MiG Tao the in Cells and then Andrew
• 1:58:39
  Takes specifically are bad. We to devil. Yeah, we're foosball. Um.
• 1:58:51
  Foosball is the devil um. So so there you go, and and
• 1:59:00
  she has a problem with him respecting Tate's honesty and motivational skills, like,
• 1:59:05
  how could you not respect honesty and motivational skills? I have a problem with
• 1:59:11
  any time a woman says that they respect anything, because I severely do not
• 1:59:16
  believe that women understand what the fuck respect means. Women do not understand respect.
• 1:59:23
  They do not, They do not. Some women understand a little bit
• 1:59:30
  about it, but in general, you don't. You don't. The overwhelming
• 1:59:32
  majority of women have never had to learn the things you have to learn in
• 1:59:38
  order to understand respect. And that's Western women. Because women and honor cultures
• 1:59:43
  do have some understanding of respect, like they still don't have the same understanding
• 1:59:48
  that men have. But you know, anyway to a certain currency, and
• 1:59:57
  this is the weird thing about currency, it's it's it's all based on trust.
• 2:00:03
  It's all based on if I give you this, you will give me
• 2:00:08
  this, and thereby we can create some kind of economy. And you know,
• 2:00:17
  I guess there's no reason it couldn't evolve that the general interactions between men
• 2:00:26
  and women. But it's difficult to even to even pin down any mathematics about
• 2:00:40
  this, because the way men and women interact with each other isn't mathematical.
• 2:00:48
  I mean there is some extent, yea, but to some extent it isn't.
• 2:00:54
  It's all subjects, yeah, to fluidity and yeah, and so it's
• 2:01:02
  yeah, yeah, I have no way to pin this down, folks.
• 2:01:09
  That's that's that's my that's my message to the to the rest of you,
• 2:01:14
  this is all very fluid, and you're not gonna discover some sudden fix to
• 2:01:21
  this problem in the next few minutes. No, no, no, it's
• 2:01:27
  gonna take Sorry for anyone listening, you didn't know, but I guess you
• 2:01:33
  all down. This is gonna you know, the time it takes to plant
• 2:01:39
  trees such as is the the Greek phrase, Yeah, it's society when men
• 2:01:50
  plant trees in whose shade they shall never sit, and so on and so
• 2:01:56
  forth. And we've tried to come up with female versions of this, but
• 2:02:02
  you'll notice it's difficult because the way women plants the seeds of trees is different
• 2:02:13
  from the way men plant the seeds of trees. That is true, it's
• 2:02:18
  a weird analogy because seeds are the same, whether they're male seeds or female
• 2:02:27
  seeds. It's almost like it's too complicated to just reduced a one kind of
• 2:02:33
  organism. See you know, I mean it really isn't. But this is
• 2:02:39
  this requires a conversation that is much more in depth than I believe that we
• 2:02:44
  have time for. And animals are complicated, plants are complicated. If we're
• 2:02:50
  going to figure out how to create a society that involves plants and animals,
• 2:02:56
  that's gonna be really quite complicated. We have to figure it out. I
• 2:03:00
  mean, we already have a world in which animals and plant life coexist.
• 2:03:09
  It's just the fact that humans feel the need to uh fucking colonizer everything does
• 2:03:18
  that Animals will expand to fill the space that they can survive in. And
• 2:03:28
  like a really interesting example of that is if you if you take a goldfish
• 2:03:33
  and you put it into a pond, like the same goldfish that never got
• 2:03:39
  more than two inches long in your fish tank will suddenly become a foot long
• 2:03:46
  foot long fish like a golden carp I think, in in your pond.
• 2:03:54
  Um it's actually it'll get big enough to be edible. And like, not
• 2:03:59
  everything grows big when it has more space, but things will take up more
• 2:04:03
  space if they have more space, they will move around more. They will
• 2:04:08
  have a larger hunting area. I had a cat that was never going to
• 2:04:15
  be an indoor cat like she. You know, you us try when you're
• 2:04:18
  in an area where the cat is likely to get hit by a car to
• 2:04:23
  keep the cat inside. My cat found ways in and out of that house.
• 2:04:26
  We had no idea to this day how the cat got in and out
• 2:04:28
  of the house. We did not have to let her out. She just
• 2:04:31
  got out right. One day I discovered that she had about a half a
• 2:04:38
  mile radius around the house. She had four different families because I followed her.
• 2:04:44
  She had four different families that were feeding her. She had four different
• 2:04:48
  names besides the name my family gave her. And she hunted and despite being
• 2:04:58
  a spade, because she had a deformity that necessitated it. Um. This
• 2:05:03
  was before we knew she was going to be an outdoor cat. She had
• 2:05:08
  very good friends. So yeah, white cat got around me, and she
• 2:05:15
  was she was fun. She and and she had said this me out too
• 2:05:21
  right. Like a lot of cats, you know, they had them,
• 2:05:26
  you know, not her. She was like man, man man. She
• 2:05:30
  sounded like you know, she'd been smoking for thirty years and I would come
• 2:05:34
  home, she would be up on the roof of the house and tell me
• 2:05:38
  off, where have you been? Bit like she was fun But yeah,
• 2:05:45
  you know, animals will expand our humans do that too, So this whole
• 2:05:48
  the concept. I find the concept of colonization to be bullshit too. Um
• 2:05:54
  yeah, like humans have migrated from before we were humans, right right,
• 2:06:00
  So but this woman goes on with this, so she has a problem with
• 2:06:05
  him having respect for honesty and motivational skills if they happen to be Andrew Tate's
• 2:06:11
  honesty and motivational skills. So there you go. I basically warned him,
• 2:06:15
  this piece isn't really about you as much as it is about the implications of
• 2:06:19
  what you're posting. So that's basically a way to say I'm going to write
• 2:06:24
  a hit piece about you without writing a hit piece, or without saying I'm
• 2:06:30
  writing a hit piece. The comments about women and fat people hidden his followers
• 2:06:33
  comparing him to Andrew Tate, and the similarities between both of their young male
• 2:06:39
  fans. Right, the young men who are growing up to be fathers in
• 2:06:44
  the next twenty or thirty years consuming media like this, that's just unbelievable content
• 2:06:47
  to be taking in when so many of them are as young as fourteen years
• 2:06:51
  old right now. So I guess if you're thirty and you'll listen to it,
• 2:06:57
  it's okay. The piece itself was really hard to write. I had
• 2:07:02
  a hard time saying these terrible things. But I knew that I wanted to
• 2:07:08
  write a story where I didn't have to say much of anything for his message
• 2:07:11
  to be clear. Oh you knew you wanted a fucking book deal. I
• 2:07:16
  didn't have a personal agenda with him, specifically. I had an agenda to
• 2:07:20
  address the problems faced by young men. And that's way bigger than Lucas parked
• 2:07:29
  her. So this is her explaining I wrote a hit piece because mysogony and
• 2:07:39
  entertain and this guy's popular and he says things I don't like. On a
• 2:07:47
  final day the piece went up, or the day the final piece went up,
• 2:07:50
  I was on the treadmill and my phone was blowing up with calls.
• 2:07:56
  I'm thinking, is this a prank? Is someone prank calling me? It
• 2:08:00
  was just a crazy amount of calls. I thought. I briefly thought something
• 2:08:05
  had happened to a family member. When I answered the phone, it was
• 2:08:09
  just some guy who yelled fuck you bitch, yo, fucking horror. I
• 2:08:16
  immediately hung up. I thought, I have to check TikTok right now,
• 2:08:22
  because that's what you do. When you get somebody that calls you and yells
• 2:08:26
  nasty things that you you assume it has something to do with TikTok. And
• 2:08:33
  I like, I've had a bad crank calls. I've never checked social media
• 2:08:39
  in response to one of them. And I see this two minute long video
• 2:08:45
  of Lewis Lucas parked in front of a screenshot of my personal Instagram, and
• 2:08:50
  it's just him saying, this girl wrote a hit piece about me. He
• 2:08:54
  puts a picture of my Instagram up, and then he shares texts between us.
• 2:09:01
  She texted him and and my number is right there in the video.
• 2:09:05
  He doesn't make any effort to cover it up at all. So now she's
• 2:09:09
  mad, right, She in her publication directed her readers, her base basically
• 2:09:20
  at this channel, and she didn't hide who she was writing about. She
• 2:09:28
  was like, here, here's this guy. Here's where you can find his
• 2:09:31
  content. Go, you know, interact with it, go report it.
• 2:09:35
  Right. Didn't say maybe that those things, but that's pretty much the gist
• 2:09:39
  of what a hit piece is go go tack this person. They're bad.
• 2:09:43
  Cancel, cancel the guy, right, And she gave him her phone number
• 2:09:52
  before she did it. And now she's claiming harassment because he published their texts
• 2:10:07
  ridiculous their private communications. So on one hand, we have the Jonah Hill
• 2:10:13
  thing, right, And the whole conversation in regard to the Jonah Hill thing
• 2:10:22
  is whether or not he was inappropriate in those texts, whether he's an abuser
• 2:10:28
  or not, not even whether she's an abuser or not, just whether he's
• 2:10:33
  an abuser or not. She published private text messages, the text messages that
• 2:10:41
  he was expecting were between them, right, And at one point she released
• 2:10:50
  his response to her reminding her him when was the last time they as friends
• 2:11:01
  after the breakup had sexed it, which, you know, no judgment.
• 2:11:05
  A lot of people do that. I'm afraid too, but a lot of
• 2:11:09
  people do that, and I think I have good reason to be afraid to,
• 2:11:13
  considering how many apps and how many things that you use on your phone,
• 2:11:22
  like how many tracking cookies you allow on your phone and stuff steal your
• 2:11:28
  data, your information? How do you know they're not take stealing your pictures?
• 2:11:35
  Any file can be copied you know, if somebody knows how to do
• 2:11:39
  it, if something has access to your phone like you, and you're using
• 2:11:43
  your phone all the time, you go places with your phone all the time.
• 2:11:46
  My personal advice to everybody would be this is, don't do this unless
• 2:11:52
  you want to take the remote risk that somebody's going to get that and use
• 2:11:56
  it against you at some point later. Well, she she sent a screenshot
• 2:12:03
  of it back to him, and he was he was wigged out by that.
• 2:12:07
  Well, I would be too, like, now there's a permanent record
• 2:12:13
  of it, and I'm sorry, but that's abusive in my opinion. But
• 2:12:20
  that's not the conversation people are happening are having because the person who released the
• 2:12:28
  texts, the person who directed everybody's attention to things that were set in private
• 2:12:33
  by another person, is a woman. But here, here you have a
• 2:12:39
  guy releases the texts where she presented herself differently than she ended up coming across
• 2:12:46
  in the article. And what happens she's harassed by the fact that he released
• 2:12:58
  the texts. He's the bad guy. Kind of a double standard there.
• 2:13:05
  If you ask me, Lauren, did you start to say something, Yeah,
• 2:13:16
  okay, this is this is why we we we leave you to end
• 2:13:20
  off the particular story. Yeah, because I'm the one that throws out the
• 2:13:30
  part about the double standard there. You have a talent for seeing any given
• 2:13:37
  story. Oh thank you. So I guess the point that I wanted to
• 2:13:41
  make by sharing these two together is you look at it, and I know
• 2:13:46
  that there's gonna be women going. But he didn't hide her phone number.
• 2:13:50
  And that's not the full story, is it. She didn't hide her phone
• 2:13:56
  number. It wasn't that he didn't hide her phone number. She didn't hide
• 2:14:05
  her phone number. I've been in communication with journalists. None of them got
• 2:14:13
  my phone number from me. I have never texted back and forth with a
• 2:14:18
  journalist voluntarily that that that had my phone number from me. Except one guy.
• 2:14:28
  And the reason that I texted back and forth between that guy was because
• 2:14:33
  he was part of my gaming group. He wasn't covering me as a journalist.
• 2:14:39
  He just happened. He was. He's an actual journalist, a real
• 2:14:43
  newspaperman who just happened to be friends with my family and with me and with
• 2:14:50
  my gaming friends. Um, right up until he passed away earlier this year
• 2:14:56
  from cancer. And but um, but yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't
• 2:15:03
  give him my phone number, for instance, to like Jeff. Jeff Charlotte
• 2:15:05
  came to UH cover us at ICMI twenty fourteen, and he was very sleazy
• 2:15:16
  and is the way that he did things. He tried very hard to present
• 2:15:20
  himself as empathetic, sympathetic, UM, compassionate, caring, interested and open
• 2:15:28
  minded. Right, but he brought a pedophile, an actual pedophile, to
• 2:15:37
  the Men's Issues conference and and waylaid people with this guy, and waylaid this
• 2:15:45
  guy with people that that that he would get into arguments with, and and
• 2:15:50
  wrote about um, wrote about the guy, and wrote about the conference as
• 2:15:56
  if we had anything to do with each other. Uh. He really ride
• 2:16:00
  hard to create artificially a circumstance in which somebody from the conference would say something
• 2:16:07
  that he could use against us. And he interviewed me for forty five minutes,
• 2:16:13
  and at the time I had a flip phone and I had it out
• 2:16:20
  and was recording, And he never ever used anything from that interview. It
• 2:16:28
  was the only interview that was recorded, and it's the only one that he
• 2:16:35
  didn't use in his article. Everybody else didn't record. And he lied about
• 2:16:43
  things they said, claimed they said things they didn't say twisted things, excluded
• 2:16:52
  context, excluded parts of sentences, and so on. All right, that
• 2:16:56
  guy wouldn't get my phone number in a million years. And you know that's
• 2:17:01
  like he didn't. I don't think he asked for anybody's phone number. But
• 2:17:03
  the thing is, you know, if I was to arrange a meeting with
• 2:17:07
  a journalist like that, it would be over discord or some other like social
• 2:17:16
  media where you can just for free and without any really major problems, close
• 2:17:28
  that account and start a new one. If if something, you know,
• 2:17:31
  somebody revealed your private information like your name and stuff, it's not really private
• 2:17:35
  if it's social media, and or you can block or make your account private
• 2:17:43
  if people are being assholes to you. But that's not what this girl did.
• 2:17:46
  She gave a stranger her phone number when she was going to take a
• 2:17:50
  shot at him. She gave somebody that she was going to attack and in
• 2:17:58
  road into her personal life and is now claiming harassment because she got backlash on
• 2:18:05
  that in road after she attacked him. So what is that like? Like,
• 2:18:15
  that's that's that's like women walking up to a guy and smacking him upside
• 2:18:20
  the head without any provocation and then getting mad because he pushes her away and
• 2:18:26
  she falls on her ass. Right, that's like a woman going along and
• 2:18:33
  lying about a guy to the police and then getting mad because she's prosecuted for
• 2:18:37
  lying to police during an investigation. Like, are you kidding me? If
• 2:18:43
  you're going to attack someone much less, you know, like the person already
• 2:18:48
  doesn't like you. You know, if you're going to be the aggressor,
• 2:18:52
  don't give somebody a way to hit you back. And if they do,
• 2:18:58
  you were the aggressor. You know, if you can't take getting hit back,
• 2:19:03
  don't start the fight. Do I need to say? Duh? So
• 2:19:13
  there you go. That's that's why I picked these two together. And um,
• 2:19:18
  you know, she she made this, she's the rest of this story
• 2:19:22
  is her making the usual allegations, the Anita Sarcasian story. Right, Oh
• 2:19:26
  good, rape threats, they got death threats. I got this. I
• 2:19:30
  got that, Like if somebody, if a bunch of people did that,
• 2:19:33
  it's actually illegal to use your your phone, even if it's your cell phone,
• 2:19:39
  to make those kind of threats. And if they did it, and
• 2:19:45
  they they didn't conceal their phone numbers. She has a very simple way to
• 2:19:50
  handle the situation. Everything can get turned over to the police and the police
• 2:19:54
  will handle it from there, and they do. So there's like, this
• 2:20:00
  woman is not dealing with this situation in a very mature way. And I
• 2:20:05
  mean she is a college student, so there is a she's not grown up
• 2:20:09
  yet, like she's expecting the men around her to all be grown up,
• 2:20:11
  but she doesn't feel obligated to be that way. So there you go.
• 2:20:18
  Maybe she changed her phone number, maybe she did some other you know,
• 2:20:24
  damage control after that, but she's gonna blame the guy for people responding to
• 2:20:31
  her being essentially a bitch, and I think what she did was particularly bitchy.
• 2:20:37
  And then writing this article afterwards, Oh, per me, that's an
• 2:20:43
  even bitchier and it'll get treated like evidence of systemic misogyny because people who probably
• 2:20:54
  heard were his fans, got mad that she twisted his words, light about
• 2:21:01
  him, wrote a hit piece about him, was dishonest with him, took
• 2:21:05
  advantage of him, and cloud chased him. Like I think, what should
• 2:21:09
  they be happy about it? So there you go. Let's take a look
• 2:21:16
  at we did get super chats and I let's see Albert Ada Retro gave us
• 2:21:24
  five dollars and said here's a fiber just cause I think that's the only one.
• 2:21:30
  So I'm gonna look at super chows and again I have to scroll up
• 2:21:37
  because I'm in the wrong chat. Here we go super Chats sounds like me
• 2:21:48
  going Superstar. Okay, we have we're super super Chats. They actually go
• 2:22:00
  a little bit. On the eleventh, after Brian closed down the show,
• 2:22:07
  Kell gave us fifty dollars and said, keep up the great work. So
• 2:22:09
  if you're listening, thank you Kell. Then today Meredith g gave us five
• 2:22:15
  dollars and said, HBr talk to seventy. Thanks for the conversation. Plaine
• 2:22:18
  Dame gave us eight dollars and said, I'm an atheist, but people often
• 2:22:22
  accuse me of being a tradcon Christian because of my view on sexuality, relationships,
• 2:22:26
  and the human body. I believe that our body should be valued most
• 2:22:31
  by ourselves. I believe our body should be viewed as our ex caliber or
• 2:22:37
  Mulliner. This goes for Mullinier, this goes for both men and women.
• 2:22:41
  I think having this view is a healthier way to approach romance and relationships.
• 2:22:48
  There's a good point there. You live in your body like you can move
• 2:22:52
  house from you know, your apartment. You can get a new car,
• 2:22:56
  right, you don't have to even keep the same job your whole life.
• 2:22:58
  But you don't get another body. You get one body, so you want
• 2:23:03
  to prevent bad things from happening to it that leave a permanent mark, right
• 2:23:09
  if you can. And you know, it's one of the reasons that you
• 2:23:16
  you don't screw around with people that might give you an incurable sexually transmitted disease,
• 2:23:22
  because you can't just go get another body and you can't necessarily repair that
• 2:23:28
  one. And I say the same thing to people about their backs. You
• 2:23:33
  protect your back, right. Zapier gave us five dollars. I think we
• 2:23:37
  knocked out Lauren. I think we did. Zapier gave us five dollars and
• 2:23:45
  said they're mad at him for not accepting cuckoldry See wants the role in the
• 2:23:50
  relationship that Jada Pinkett Smith has with Will Smith. These people are disgusting.
• 2:23:56
  Oh that's that's sad um. Let's see Martin Roberic, I probably mispronounced that,
• 2:24:07
  says mule near um. Sorry about that. So let's see. Plaine
• 2:24:13
  Dane gave us five dollars and said, this is probably why I'm gonna actually,
• 2:24:20
  here we go. Um, this is probably why Leonardo DiCaprio doesn't date
• 2:24:26
  a woman over the age of twenty four and dumps them before they get too
• 2:24:28
  comfy around him, before they try some goof ass nonsense like the bullshit she's
• 2:24:33
  trying to pull, you know. And on one hand, that might be
• 2:24:37
  the reason. On the other hand, how old is he? See like
• 2:24:41
  he's he's a gen xer. And I hate to be judgmental because I know
• 2:24:48
  they're dysfunctional people of both age and they're both both both sexes. I mean,
• 2:24:52
  but um, if you're single and you're fifties, something's gone wrong in
• 2:25:03
  your attempts at making relationships with another person. That's gone so profoundly wrong that
• 2:25:11
  you didn't find a life partner or you weren't able to keep a life partner,
• 2:25:18
  right, That's basically what's happened. And either you suck at picking good
• 2:25:28
  partners, or you did at some point and you worked really hard to try
• 2:25:33
  to make something work that was never going to work, or you're the shitty
• 2:25:37
  partner and why take the chance at forty eight years old? Okay, so
• 2:25:45
  he's forty eight years old. Let's not really that old actually, but at
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  forty eight years old. If he's looking around at forty eight year old women,
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  he has to worry about how many of those women married some guy,
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  stayed with him for ten years and then divorced him, and are collecting alimony.
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  Hint, if a woman is collecting alimony, that's not even just a
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  red flag. That is a fucking cluster bomb. Don't have a relationship with
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  her. She has just told you that she is a mooch. But and
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  that's that's alimony. I you know, like child support, I still would
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  be leary. I'd be very leary dating a woman collecting child support, even
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  though that's common and normalized and often you know, it's something that the woman
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  doesn't get to decide not to do, she still made decisions that led to
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  it happening. But alimony, especially a woman in Generation X, if she's
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  collecting alimony, she's not even trying to support herself, right, So yeah,
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  yeah, I like, if I was a forty year eight year old
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  man looking for a partner, it would be hard for me to trust Gen
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  X women who are still single when they're almost fifty, who are or who
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  are single again when they're almost fifty. I would I would have to be
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  ready to be in a serious long term engagement, like, yeah, we'll
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  get married in five years, you know maybe if if I don't discover bad
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  things about you before, then that make it a no go, right,
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  Like, that's no, because most people find their life partner in there in
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  there at least by their early thirties. Like, some people are getting married
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  a little later, and that's okay. Some people are working on their careers
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  a little longer before they get married. That's not a bad thing, especially
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  if you're gonna have kids. But uh, I like, I can't blame
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  him for day eating younger women working. Assie gave us ten dollars and said,
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  can't catch the show alive, but here are some dollary dues. I
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  look forward to catching up later. Egregious Charles gave us five dollars and said,
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  I took a fishhead out to see a movie. No wait, I
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  took her fishhead out to see a movie. I didn't have to pay to
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  get it in. I'm not as good as imitating that one voice. Plain
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  Dane gave us five dollars as I said he wants a swan like relationship,
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  but she wants a duck like relationship. Yeah, I know most birds are
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  monogamous, including most duck species, but there are seven species of ducks that
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  are polygamous. I find it weird that most of the people that are really
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  into true crime or women that shit reminds me most of the time. I
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  was in an edgy shit posting Facebook group and someone posted a link to a
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  gore website, and I was horrified by the women that admitted to loving gore
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  videos of people being tortured and murdered by serial killers. Only a few women
• 2:29:07
  in the group were disturbed by it. Why is this attraction more prevalent in
• 2:29:11
  women? Why are women more likely to be attracted in monsters like Zodiac killer,
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  Richard Ramirez, Ted Bundy, etc. And There's a lot of explanations
• 2:29:22
  that I could get into for that, but and I some of it.
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  I don't get women like to horrify themselves, you know, I like I
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  like scary stories about ghosts and goblins and things that go bump in the night
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  more. I'm not really big on gore, but I can tolerate it.
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  And it's if it's really fake, like in you know, B movies,
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  B horror movies. Then it's funny. That's different. But there were I
• 2:29:56
  don't know if they still exist. There were subreddits that had real gore,
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  like and I ran into this years ago and and um, the one that
• 2:30:05
  that I got um blindsided with was a an image of a accident between a
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  motorcycle and a car. So it was really bad, um, high speed
• 2:30:18
  head on accident between a motorcycle and a car. And it was horrifying.
• 2:30:22
  You're right, like, there are women that are that are horrified by this.
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  And it was but I'll tell you what it was, that that whole
• 2:30:31
  train wreck thing where you're like, oh my god, oh my god,
• 2:30:33
  and you keep looking and you're just like, did I really see that?
• 2:30:39
  And then you look again? Right, that phenomenon is very I think that's
• 2:30:46
  a very female thing. Um. Women do not have as much control to
• 2:30:50
  say this bothered me so much that I'm gonna have nightmares. I don't need
• 2:30:56
  to confirm what I saw, right. Um. So there's that, And
• 2:31:03
  then there are some that try to picture how would I get out of this
• 2:31:07
  situation? How would I keep this from happening? What would I do if
• 2:31:11
  this was me? Or and you terrorize yourself, what would I do if
• 2:31:16
  this was someone I loved, right, So, I like I've I've run
• 2:31:20
  into all kinds of different reasons why women get into stuff like that. Not
• 2:31:26
  not my bag of chips, but I can. I can deal with it.
• 2:31:31
  And if I was in a situation where, um, somebody had an
• 2:31:37
  injury, I would be the person that would be okay dealing with Yes they're
• 2:31:43
  bleeding, Yes this is going on, Yes there's you know, it's gross
• 2:31:46
  and scary and all that. Here's the steps that need to be taken to
• 2:31:50
  help us if if help can be given, and and if help can't be
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  given, I can be the hand you know that that gets held because I
• 2:32:01
  can handle it, but it's it's still it would break my heart and I
• 2:32:05
  would have nightmares later. And so I think some women do it to toughen
• 2:32:11
  themselves up. Maybe too, But I don't get the attraction personally to people
• 2:32:18
  who do cruel, evil things like I stay away from that. I don't
• 2:32:26
  want anything to do with that person. That person seems alien to me,
• 2:32:31
  right, But there are women who are attracted to that because they think I
• 2:32:35
  think maybe of that as the monster they contame and own. So women who
• 2:32:41
  are more controlling or women who are more egotistical narcissistic might be attracted to that
• 2:32:48
  type. Plain Dane gave us five dollars and said the stigma around HSV one
• 2:32:58
  is kind of overhyped, but it's understandable. I've dated two Islamic girls in
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  high school. One was Iraqi and the other was from Khakistan but grew up
• 2:33:07
  in Russia mostly, and I know they weren't sleeping around, but both of
• 2:33:11
  them broke out in cold source. I never brook out because of my genes.
• 2:33:16
  Most people have HSV one but don't break out because of their genetics.
• 2:33:20
  I have an aunt on my father's side that's had it since she was a
• 2:33:22
  little girl, and she's the only one that breaks out. HSV one is
• 2:33:26
  only really bad if you don't have the genes to counter it. I feel
• 2:33:31
  bad for those people. It's not fair to those that were born with it.
• 2:33:35
  By the way, I helped both of my x's and my aunt by
• 2:33:39
  researching what to do to prevent breakouts. Told them to supplement with lysine powder,
• 2:33:43
  lysine and topical like gel or a lysine patch bid bandage that can be
• 2:33:48
  placed over the blister, zinc glycinate, vitamin D three with vitamin K two
• 2:33:54
  MK four also red light therapy. I know that some people. I know
• 2:33:58
  some people that wear face masks to hide the sore. Yeah, there's there's
• 2:34:05
  all kinds of things. There's pills now that some people take for that actually,
• 2:34:11
  and then I guess there's besides the expensive over the counter stuff, there's
• 2:34:16
  cheaper over the counter stuff. And then actually, oh, peroxide can reduce
• 2:34:28
  the length of breakout from lip sores and stuff. And then there's also people
• 2:34:37
  who get these from stress, Like they don't get some people get breakouts every
• 2:34:43
  month. But I know people who when they've had something highly stressful happen to
• 2:34:50
  them and they've been upset, like they've been in a highly emotional upset state,
• 2:34:58
  they'll get them. But they don't get them on their lip. They
• 2:35:00
  get them on their hand. Um, you know, they get them odd
• 2:35:03
  places almost like shingles. But it's not so you can and you can get
• 2:35:09
  that. You can get that from kissing, you can get that from drinking
• 2:35:13
  after somebody. You can be born with it. Like it's so, yeah,
• 2:35:20
  it's not something that there should be as much stigma around because transmission of
• 2:35:24
  it isn't necessarily a result of sexual promiscuity and about eighty percent of the population
• 2:35:31
  is infected with it. Last I read, although not everybody knows they're infected
• 2:35:37
  because not everybody gets has breakouts. So that's the last super chow. Let's
• 2:35:45
  see what we have on rumble. Here we go, like where am I
• 2:35:54
  honorable? Here? Um? Okay, I don't see. I'm gonna scroll
• 2:36:01
  up and scroll back down because the last time, okay, there we go.
• 2:36:05
  Nope, no paid ones. So I guess that's that will be it
• 2:36:13
  then, So I guess I'll reiterate my last point. You know, there's
• 2:36:20
  a really stark double standard here that I think I think most people wouldn't be
• 2:36:30
  aware of and wouldn't understand, in that in both cases you had a private
• 2:36:33
  communication. In both cases that private communication, at least one side was not
• 2:36:41
  satisfied with the outcome following that private communication, and the side that was not
• 2:36:48
  satisfied with the outcome following that private communication shared it with the public, and
• 2:36:56
  on one side, you know, you get the side that was not satisfied
• 2:37:01
  gets to play victim on the other side even though the side that was not
• 2:37:05
  satisfied was actually lied to and mistreated, and the private communication proves it.
• 2:37:15
  He doesn't get to play the victim. He's treated as an abuser harasser.
• 2:37:20
  Right, So being female means that you get to be the liar, be
• 2:37:26
  the the person who expects a double standard in life, who has unreasonable expectations
• 2:37:37
  for somebody to bend over backwards and tolerate everything about you. But you don't
• 2:37:41
  feel obligated to reciprocate in any way in terms of accommodating their insecurities and still
• 2:37:50
  play victim of their communication of those expectations. If you're male, you can't
• 2:37:58
  even be lied to and slandered and be considered a victim. It seems pretty
• 2:38:05
  pretty stark in my opinion. Men, all the post of everything I had,
• 2:38:15
  I had a muted because Laurence, I think, is asleep. Yeah
• 2:38:18
  I think. But he started that out with joined me next, join us
• 2:38:24
  next time for when men are the worst of everything? What it really does
• 2:38:28
  get me? Men? Do um get get hit with this on a regular
• 2:38:33
  basis? But this was stark enough, I thought, jeez. So so
• 2:38:37
  there you go. We reset to something or other. Yeah, every week
• 2:38:43
  or so, so that which we call that which to which we we reset
• 2:38:52
  is differently every week. And that's why Radio Radidio has been going for ten
• 2:39:00
  years yep, ten years. In fact, August this year we'll be reaching
• 2:39:05
  our tenth year anniversary that we've been doing something to commemorate this. Maybe maybe
• 2:39:16
  we'll have to, We'll have to. I need to get Alison and Karen
• 2:39:18
  back on. So yeah, Canada is a dark place right now. Yeah,
• 2:39:26
  but in any case, with that, I had better close it out.
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  So thanks everybody for listening. Thanks you guys for sticking out. This
• 2:39:35
  was a weird discussion to have, but it was I think an important one.
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  And thanks to everybody who works in the background to make HBr talk happen
• 2:39:45
  again. I dool