Latest / Two Doting Dads with Matty J & Ash / #130 Becky Lucas: Preparing my newborn for open heart surgery
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Matthew, how would you describe parenting? It is hell?
- 0:03Speaker 2: Oh my god. It is painful, it is exhausting, it's relentless.
- 0:06Speaker 2: But can I also have to say I love my kids,
- 0:08Speaker 2: love my kids. It's great. Wouldn't change for the world,
- 0:10Speaker 2: but it's it's a world of hell.
- 0:13Speaker 1: Well said Well.
- 0:16Speaker 3: Comedian Becky Lucas would explain it probably the same, but
- 0:20Speaker 3: she loves it.
- 0:20Speaker 2: At least I'm not alone Becky Lucas, she is one
- 0:23Speaker 2: of Australia's favorite comedians.
- 0:25Speaker 3: Yes, she was the first Australian female comedian to feature
- 0:28Speaker 3: on Conan O'Brien.
- 0:31Speaker 4: I think the most thing about your parent's getting divorce
- 0:33Speaker 4: is that they move into two different houses and then you,
- 0:35Speaker 4: as the kid, has to move from house to house.
- 0:38Speaker 5: I remember being little thinking why can't I stay here?
- 0:40Speaker 4: And you guys move to me, and I'm like, why
- 0:43Speaker 4: am I five years old learning how to roll my
- 0:45Speaker 4: socks to fit more room in the suitcase because dad
- 0:47Speaker 4: kiss a woman.
- 0:47Speaker 5: At a party. Now I get there, he's like, oh,
- 0:51Speaker 5: you forgot your toothbrush.
- 0:52Speaker 4: I'm like, dull, you forgot your wedding bells?
- 0:58Speaker 2: And it's quite an achievement. Now, Becky she is a
- 1:00Speaker 2: mum and boy, it is tough, but it is also
- 1:03Speaker 2: one of the best things in the world. Gosh, Becky
- 1:05Speaker 2: and I were so alike, We're so light, which is
- 1:07Speaker 2: the same person. Both hilarious, right Ash?
- 1:09Speaker 1: Oh yeah? Absolutely.
- 1:14Speaker 2: Parenting for Becky has been a bit.
- 1:16Speaker 3: Of a roller coaster since a son was born. Little
- 1:18Speaker 3: George was born with a heart condition that meant that
- 1:21Speaker 3: we have to go to open heart surgery before his
- 1:23Speaker 3: first birthday. Becky feels like those early days of motherhood
- 1:27Speaker 3: were robbed from her.
- 1:28Speaker 1: Look.
- 1:28Speaker 2: It can be tough for a comedian to share a
- 1:31Speaker 2: vulnerable story of their life, but this is one that
- 1:35Speaker 2: is incredibly heartfelt and we're so thankful that Becky felt
- 1:39Speaker 2: comfortable to share the story with us today.
- 1:41Speaker 6: Yeah, let's get into it.
- 1:57Speaker 2: Welcome back to two doting dads and one doting mum.
- 2:00Speaker 2: I am Maddie, Jane, I'm Ash.
- 2:02Speaker 5: And I'm Becky Lucas.
- 2:04Speaker 1: Led your own name.
- 2:06Speaker 2: Sorry for stuffing up the intro.
- 2:09Speaker 5: I think it shows a sense of fun. We're all This.
- 2:14Speaker 2: Is a podcast all about parenting, Becky. It is the good,
- 2:17Speaker 2: it is the bad, and the relatable. And if you
- 2:19Speaker 2: come for advice, not us not now, not never, but
- 2:22Speaker 2: maybe from you maybe huh.
- 2:24Speaker 1: We just have to put that there legally, okay, trouble okay,
- 2:28Speaker 1: but you're allowed to give advice if you've got some Okay.
- 2:30Speaker 2: Now, my question was yeah, and I hate to be
- 2:33Speaker 2: so goddamn cliche.
- 2:35Speaker 5: Hey, don't overthink it.
- 2:36Speaker 2: But you're from Brisbane. I'm from Brisbane. You asked before
- 2:39Speaker 2: if I went to Marris what school did you go to?
- 2:42Speaker 4: I went to Brisbane State High Oh.
- 2:45Speaker 1: What does that mean?
- 2:46Speaker 2: So you're an an't you?
- 2:47Speaker 5: I'm not an athlete. I just lived in the catchment.
- 2:52Speaker 1: Because a comedian. Yeah, I was like, no comedy is
- 2:56Speaker 1: going to be in the Olympics. Well it was. It
- 2:58Speaker 1: was break dancing, but you're going to have it in
- 3:00Speaker 1: the next Olympics. No, I made it up.
- 3:03Speaker 4: Come on, Jesus, the jungle has fried?
- 3:07Speaker 2: You are you seem like?
- 3:09Speaker 5: So we allowed to mention the jungle.
- 3:12Speaker 1: It was televised.
- 3:13Speaker 5: It's over, I know.
- 3:16Speaker 4: But what I feels like sensitive, he's just like sensitive
- 3:19Speaker 4: about his time.
- 3:21Speaker 2: I'm coming to terms of like what just happened.
- 3:23Speaker 1: He still has the night terrorists during the day there
- 3:27Speaker 1: and be like.
- 3:29Speaker 2: The bathroom for one second, come out crying and I'm like,
- 3:34Speaker 2: did you do the post?
- 3:35Speaker 4: I feel like every time there's a celebrity that goes
- 3:37Speaker 4: into the jungle, they always do a post being like
- 3:40Speaker 4: we saw these amazing leopards and like, did you do that?
- 3:43Speaker 4: I did, because I just feel like every celebrity has
- 3:47Speaker 4: to pretend like, yeah, like I was in there for this,
- 3:49Speaker 4: but also the amazing leopards and.
- 3:53Speaker 3: Your friend goes away for like a month and like, yes,
- 3:55Speaker 3: illeid in London for a month.
- 3:57Speaker 1: Yeah, South Africa for like a month.
- 4:00Speaker 2: In my defense, I took the kids on the safari
- 4:03Speaker 2: and they saw actually there was two cheaters who just
- 4:07Speaker 2: killed an antelope. Oh my god, and the thing was.
- 4:11Speaker 5: Like so speaking the local language.
- 4:17Speaker 2: And this thing was so mangled. It was so mangled,
- 4:20Speaker 2: and the kids were like, my kids are five and four,
- 4:23Speaker 2: like what's wrong with it. I was like, it's just sleeping.
- 4:26Speaker 2: And then these two cheaters are gnawing at it and
- 4:29Speaker 2: they're like make it stop, and I was, my god,
- 4:32Speaker 2: it's a jungle massage. I did see a couple of zebra.
- 4:35Speaker 7: Try.
- 4:36Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 4:37Speaker 2: I feel like we sometimes try to get a bit
- 4:39Speaker 2: of a read on our guests. Maybe you'll never know me.
- 4:44Speaker 5: You will never know. You can try, you can try,
- 4:47Speaker 5: but you'll never know me.
- 4:48Speaker 2: Did you ever get suspended from school?
- 4:50Speaker 4: Yes, but I will say this, it was an in
- 4:54Speaker 4: school suspension. Yeah, I know, I know, but it's really
- 4:59Speaker 4: smart because if you get suspended, you're just at home
- 5:01Speaker 4: with all your things. But in school suspension you just
- 5:05Speaker 4: had to sit outside the office for five days.
- 5:08Speaker 2: Like medieval times. Being on show, you're like one of
- 5:12Speaker 2: those things too.
- 5:14Speaker 4: Like a hanniballeto mask, and I got it for smoking
- 5:21Speaker 4: cigs in the toilet, Yeah, which is funny. It'd be
- 5:26Speaker 4: funny if someone put a sig through the hannibal leto mask.
- 5:30Speaker 2: Give a hip. What was your thinking behind smoking cigarettes
- 5:34Speaker 2: in the toilet?
- 5:35Speaker 5: Just actually liked cigarettes? Yeah, My thinking was like I
- 5:42Speaker 5: like to do this, and I'm going to do this.
- 5:44Speaker 2: Was it the little lunch or the big lunch?
- 5:47Speaker 5: It might have even been like during class, nice you have.
- 5:52Speaker 4: It's kind of funny because it's not even like, oh,
- 5:55Speaker 4: this naughty thing we're planning to do. I'm like just
- 5:57Speaker 4: actually stressed out from class and need my little.
- 6:04Speaker 5: Genuinely stressed out.
- 6:08Speaker 2: And then how did you get caught?
- 6:10Speaker 5: I was stopped on.
- 6:13Speaker 4: I actually can't remember bridge it with.
- 6:20Speaker 2: My I honestly, I didn't think you would have been
- 6:26Speaker 2: type of person.
- 6:27Speaker 1: Yeah, I was smoking. It was more that's the only
- 6:30Speaker 1: time he was suspended.
- 6:32Speaker 4: I think, So there were other times where it was
- 6:34Speaker 4: like threatened or whatever. But yeah, I was like, I
- 6:37Speaker 4: wouldn't say I was a naughty kid, but I did
- 6:39Speaker 4: get swept up in the moment.
- 6:40Speaker 1: Yeah, who was the disciplinary one at hunt? Who have parents?
- 6:45Speaker 5: Thank you for actually bringing that up.
- 6:47Speaker 4: Okay, I guess I guess my fractured home life kind
- 6:53Speaker 4: of contributed to Yeah, it's like but disciplinary. I don't know,
- 7:03Speaker 4: Like I guess both my parents were disciplinarian in a way.
- 7:07Speaker 4: But there is something about them being separated where you
- 7:10Speaker 4: never truly have to answer to anyone too much, Like
- 7:12Speaker 4: you can always stories can be you know, you can kind.
- 7:15Speaker 5: Of play parents.
- 7:17Speaker 4: Yeah, Like if I was ever in trouble, I could
- 7:20Speaker 4: always just gossip about Dad to mom.
- 7:23Speaker 5: You know, She's like, where on your homework?
- 7:26Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't know, but do you know what
- 7:27Speaker 4: Dad said the other Like he said, this is a
- 7:30Speaker 4: really weird thing, and she's interested. So I could always
- 7:33Speaker 4: which I think kind of is bad. Like I do
- 7:35Speaker 4: think I gossip a lot now because I grew up
- 7:38Speaker 4: being able to yeah.
- 7:40Speaker 8: Dad's good and your girlfriend yeah yeah, quickly change that will.
- 7:43Speaker 5: Always be a bit interested in a tidbit of your life.
- 7:45Speaker 2: I'll blame having an older sister from my last gossip. Yeah,
- 7:49Speaker 2: I'm like, guess, guess what, ash you do love gossip?
- 7:52Speaker 4: There's always something, you know how evolutionary things always get
- 7:55Speaker 4: people out of bad behavior, like I don't know, you'll
- 7:59Speaker 4: you'll or something like, well, gossip was actually an evolutionary
- 8:03Speaker 4: tool because it was the collition of the information about
- 8:06Speaker 4: the mob and the tribe and you were just trying
- 8:08Speaker 4: to like survive, and it's like not used a piece
- 8:11Speaker 4: of shit, but you can like use these things like oh.
- 8:15Speaker 5: It's actually about survival.
- 8:17Speaker 4: It's because I'm a woman and gossip's my only tool
- 8:19Speaker 4: in the tribe.
- 8:21Speaker 1: And before they had.
- 8:23Speaker 3: Delivered thing, they just gossiped its way like Chinese whispers
- 8:27Speaker 3: the next person.
- 8:28Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, let's get back on track.
- 8:30Speaker 5: Okay, sorry, I am a mother. Let's get more into Yah.
- 8:33Speaker 2: So your son is currently with your sister.
- 8:36Speaker 4: Yeah, my sister Hannah, who's twenty two, and she's awesome,
- 8:40Speaker 4: but yeah, she we drove here and the windscreen wipers
- 8:44Speaker 4: were on the whole time and she just didn't notice.
- 8:46Speaker 2: Oh fuck, like she just.
- 8:49Speaker 4: Yeah, she's kind of she was awesome, but like saying,
- 8:52Speaker 4: she just doesn't Yeah, she's not aware there's.
- 8:56Speaker 1: Between you and her, like, yeah, not to point that out. Sorry,
- 8:59Speaker 1: but she's quite young.
- 9:00Speaker 5: And I'm quite.
- 9:03Speaker 2: Going back to the divorce parents, is this?
- 9:05Speaker 5: Yeah, second family? I'm sorry, simply two half two half
- 9:11Speaker 5: eas Yeah.
- 9:11Speaker 1: That's enough of that. That's enough questioning for me. I
- 9:14Speaker 1: just want to get the whole picture.
- 9:17Speaker 5: Okay, what else do you want to do?
- 9:20Speaker 2: I'm sorry for Ash, That's okay, that's all right, He's uh,
- 9:23Speaker 2: I get it, take it away, keep going.
- 9:25Speaker 1: I was going to say, okay, so why't.
- 9:27Speaker 7: Ask about the parents, the divorce parents. I want to
- 9:35Speaker 7: know about about Chris my boyfriend.
- 9:38Speaker 5: Yes, okay, what do you want to know?
- 9:39Speaker 2: Boy?
- 9:40Speaker 5: Yeah?
- 9:40Speaker 2: What did you meet?
- 9:41Speaker 5: We met at a party through a friend. What it was.
- 9:45Speaker 5: He was having a party at his house.
- 9:47Speaker 1: He was having the party you just said a party,
- 9:49Speaker 1: not his party.
- 9:50Speaker 5: It was his party.
- 9:51Speaker 4: And I was with some friends actually the boys from
- 9:53Speaker 4: the Buttuda Advocate and my friend Lovely boys, my friend,
- 9:57Speaker 4: my friend Dixie. I just arrived and at first sight
- 10:02Speaker 4: for me maybe and Chris, what do you think?
- 10:05Speaker 5: He's just really hot.
- 10:06Speaker 2: It's a bit of a because mostly that it's a
- 10:09Speaker 2: power play as well. It's his house, his party. Yeah,
- 10:12Speaker 2: he's got the upper hand, do you reckon?
- 10:15Speaker 4: I kind of think arriving to the party is a
- 10:17Speaker 4: bit of upper hand. I think hosting a party in
- 10:20Speaker 4: a very weak position really a little bit because you're
- 10:23Speaker 4: worrying about how the party is going to go, your
- 10:26Speaker 4: toilets being.
- 10:27Speaker 5: The people taking big dumps. Ship people are doing it.
- 10:33Speaker 1: You walked down and you like took a big ship
- 10:35Speaker 1: in the hay.
- 10:38Speaker 5: I'm in control, I have the upper hand. Don't go
- 10:41Speaker 5: in there.
- 10:42Speaker 1: You kind of think like it's my party, I've got
- 10:44Speaker 1: pick of the birds.
- 10:45Speaker 5: But then that is true, that is true. I think
- 10:48Speaker 5: you could make a case either way.
- 10:50Speaker 4: I think there is a vulnerability in having a party
- 10:52Speaker 4: because like if it's a if it's a failure, that's
- 10:55Speaker 4: embarrassing and people are kind of using your house just
- 10:58Speaker 4: however they want, and you're the one that.
- 11:00Speaker 5: Has to be like, guys, can you not get there?
- 11:03Speaker 5: Like yeah, you have to be a bit a bit
- 11:07Speaker 5: of a sort of what's the word anal attentive?
- 11:11Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't do I can't host events.
- 11:14Speaker 5: Because I'm just yet it.
- 11:15Speaker 4: She's just too anxious and you're worried about who's talking
- 11:17Speaker 4: to who and who's having a good time, and.
- 11:19Speaker 5: Like, I'm just out of my mind the whole time.
- 11:21Speaker 2: Who was spearheading the conversation about starting a family?
- 11:25Speaker 5: Yeah, isn't it mostly the woman? I feel like men don't.
- 11:29Speaker 1: It's a good question.
- 11:30Speaker 4: Men don't know that they want it until it happens.
- 11:34Speaker 4: Like he was very like he was like, yeah, it'd
- 11:36Speaker 4: be cool, and then I sort of pushed it down
- 11:39Speaker 4: the track.
- 11:39Speaker 5: And then even.
- 11:42Speaker 4: Like when I was pregnant, like he was obviously excited
- 11:44Speaker 4: and everything, but it felt like he went but I
- 11:48Speaker 4: made all the decisions about what prem we're getting.
- 11:50Speaker 5: I could really barely get him.
- 11:52Speaker 4: But I do feel like, yeah, he didn't care about
- 11:55Speaker 4: all of that stuff or maybe couldn't conceptualize it. And
- 11:58Speaker 4: then as soon as the baby was in front of him,
- 12:01Speaker 4: it was like, which you guys probably remember that feeling
- 12:05Speaker 4: of like can't really conceptualize.
- 12:07Speaker 5: And then it's there and he just.
- 12:10Speaker 4: Could not stop crying. Really, and he's not a crier.
- 12:14Speaker 5: At all. He was crying so.
- 12:15Speaker 4: Much, like our baby had to go to nick You
- 12:18Speaker 4: for a few days because he inhaled a lot of
- 12:20Speaker 4: liquids tears and he was okay, like he was stable
- 12:28Speaker 4: and everything, Like he was really just there for monitoring.
- 12:32Speaker 4: And my boyfriend cried so much that the nurse in
- 12:35Speaker 4: nick You was like, hey, man, are you okay?
- 12:38Speaker 5: It's like the place where the most crying happens.
- 12:41Speaker 4: He still was crying more than anyone. Yeah, Like he
- 12:45Speaker 4: just could not believe happiness, like absolutely overwhelmed by the love,
- 12:52Speaker 4: and ever since then has been so much more involved
- 12:55Speaker 4: than any Like, you know, we can talk for so
- 12:58Speaker 4: long about like, oh, I think we should buy this
- 13:00Speaker 4: type of food and I think this, and he looked
- 13:03Speaker 4: like he's pooh. Was like he just went from being yeah,
- 13:06Speaker 4: I couldn't get him really interested.
- 13:08Speaker 5: To yeah, that's all we talk about. He's obsessed.
- 13:10Speaker 2: That's the dream though, right, But you would want that
- 13:13Speaker 2: as opposed to you being like can you please just
- 13:16Speaker 2: change an happy?
- 13:17Speaker 4: Yeah?
- 13:17Speaker 5: No, he's the best. Dat he's awesome.
- 13:19Speaker 2: Where do you think that reluctance came from? It?
- 13:21Speaker 5: Just I just think I don't know.
- 13:24Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's kind of a cultural thing,
- 13:26Speaker 4: like people are very anti natalist, you know, Like I
- 13:30Speaker 4: do think there's a bit of anti baby.
- 13:32Speaker 5: Sentiment in the air, And I don't know what came first.
- 13:34Speaker 4: I'm like, is it because it's harder for people to
- 13:37Speaker 4: is it the breakdown of society where it's like people
- 13:41Speaker 4: aren't earning enough money to have a baby, or like
- 13:44Speaker 4: they're not you know, it's harder to meet a life partner,
- 13:48Speaker 4: and so you just kind of take on this attitude
- 13:51Speaker 4: of like babies. I don't know, I do feel like
- 13:54Speaker 4: there's a bit of that.
- 13:55Speaker 2: I think it's a bit of a there's two sides
- 13:57Speaker 2: that there's one side of people being like it is amazing,
- 14:00Speaker 2: like it's life changing, I have purpose, and the other
- 14:02Speaker 2: side where it's like rule my life, Yeah, I can't
- 14:05Speaker 2: do anything anymore.
- 14:06Speaker 4: But like both like every day I'm like this is fucked,
- 14:09Speaker 4: and then I'm in the same day I'm I've never
- 14:14Speaker 4: smiled more in my life, Like it's just the joy
- 14:17Speaker 4: is crazy.
- 14:18Speaker 5: But it's every day I'm like, what have I done?
- 14:20Speaker 1: Is wrong?
- 14:21Speaker 3: It is you know we were talking about this before
- 14:23Speaker 3: where it's like like you can't truly love something all
- 14:28Speaker 3: the time, No you're like yeah, You're like, oh.
- 14:32Speaker 1: This is amazing.
- 14:33Speaker 3: And then you're like then they like smash a glass
- 14:36Speaker 3: off the thing, and you're like.
- 14:37Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, totally absolutely.
- 14:44Speaker 5: But it's such an exercise.
- 14:45Speaker 4: And like, like I had a friend the other day
- 14:47Speaker 4: who doesn't want kids, and he was talking about how
- 14:49Speaker 4: he took all day to make a sandwich and I
- 14:53Speaker 4: was I had just had no sleep and it was
- 14:55Speaker 4: just so like just to get to this place where
- 14:58Speaker 4: we were going, heading up for a gig, it was
- 15:02Speaker 4: just so much, baby, and I'm like struggling, hunched over zips,
- 15:06Speaker 4: like just your whole day so hard. And he said
- 15:09Speaker 4: like he was describing making this sandwich all day and
- 15:12Speaker 4: then he kind of was like, oh, sorry, because he
- 15:14Speaker 4: knows how hard.
- 15:16Speaker 5: My day is. But in my mind, I'm like, no, don't.
- 15:20Speaker 4: Be sorry, Like I'm I love even though it's I
- 15:23Speaker 4: was complaining.
- 15:24Speaker 5: I love doing this for my son.
- 15:26Speaker 4: Yeah, and like I get to see him, like I
- 15:29Speaker 4: saw him see a rainbow for the first time, and
- 15:31Speaker 4: it's like it's all worth it.
- 15:33Speaker 2: It's like watch my son see a rainbow for the
- 15:36Speaker 2: first time and that moment, or make a sandwich all day,
- 15:39Speaker 2: like yeah, yeah, it.
- 15:43Speaker 5: Sounded pretty good actually, but yeah it is.
- 15:45Speaker 4: It's a funny, it's yeah, I guess it's also designed
- 15:49Speaker 4: perfectly like because before you do it, you just don't
- 15:52Speaker 4: know how good it is. So like people who haven't
- 15:58Speaker 4: done it or don't want to do it.
- 16:00Speaker 5: They'll never feel that. So it's kind of good.
- 16:03Speaker 2: You don't know what you don't know.
- 16:04Speaker 5: Yeah, you don't know what you don't know. But yeah,
- 16:05Speaker 5: it is fucked for pregnant, like not as easy as
- 16:14Speaker 5: I assumed. Maybe I think we tried like five months.
- 16:17Speaker 4: Oh wow, so yeah, like I thought it would be boom,
- 16:20Speaker 4: but five months.
- 16:22Speaker 5: It's not as long, I know, like other people have
- 16:23Speaker 5: that much.
- 16:25Speaker 2: Yeah, will you spend your twenties trying not to get
- 16:28Speaker 2: pressed exactly and then when you try and get pregnant
- 16:31Speaker 2: like oh wow, this is actually.
- 16:32Speaker 5: Yeah, I've had a lot of common Why is this
- 16:36Speaker 5: not taking?
- 16:38Speaker 4: They always made it out like like just one of
- 16:40Speaker 4: them was gonna be like and I'm like, well, millions.
- 16:43Speaker 3: It's sort of like if you're throwing off ship at
- 16:45Speaker 3: the wall, something's going to stick, right, likest.
- 16:48Speaker 2: What come is I'm imagining Becky just like covered in
- 16:51Speaker 2: like sick, Something's going to stick.
- 16:57Speaker 5: Yeah, Chris is.
- 16:59Speaker 2: There like nothing else.
- 17:02Speaker 1: Like Matt from the Jungle.
- 17:05Speaker 2: When Chris found out, was he on board or was.
- 17:08Speaker 4: Yeah, like immediately was really happy. But I just think
- 17:11Speaker 4: before then didn't have the drive that I did, Like,
- 17:16Speaker 4: wasn't as alongside me as I would have wanted. But
- 17:20Speaker 4: I just I don't know whether it was hormonal or whatever,
- 17:23Speaker 4: but I was like, it's happening, and I just knew
- 17:26Speaker 4: he'd love it once he did it.
- 17:27Speaker 2: Yeah, was it an easy pregnancy.
- 17:32Speaker 4: It was physically, but we had a like we had
- 17:35Speaker 4: a pretty hectic time At my seventeen week scan, it
- 17:44Speaker 4: was actually it was earlier.
- 17:45Speaker 5: I maybe had an earlier scan at like fourteen weeks.
- 17:48Speaker 4: So I'm really bad at talking, seriously, I feel it's
- 17:52Speaker 4: a new skill to like talk earnestly, Like, especially as
- 17:57Speaker 4: a comedian, you just always want to get laughed. So
- 17:59Speaker 4: you're like, oh, they accept me, so to speaking covered
- 18:04Speaker 4: and come exactly, and then you laugh and I'm like, Okay,
- 18:07Speaker 4: everything's all good, and now I have to be earnest
- 18:10Speaker 4: and no. So at my fourteen week scan, the lady
- 18:14Speaker 4: sort of couldn't see all of the heart, but she
- 18:17Speaker 4: didn't seem worried she was like, Oh, it's just really
- 18:19Speaker 4: small and he's in a weird position, so come back
- 18:22Speaker 4: in a few weeks. So I didn't think anything of it.
- 18:24Speaker 4: That my GP was like, that's normal. So I went
- 18:28Speaker 4: back at seventeen weeks like happy as Larry. Everything up
- 18:31Speaker 4: until then had been perfect, perfect, perfect, So I just
- 18:34Speaker 4: never thought anything of it. And then she was doing
- 18:38Speaker 4: the scan and this lady wasn't saying anything, and I
- 18:42Speaker 4: was like, can you see what you're looking for? And
- 18:45Speaker 4: she said, oh, I think I can. I'm just going
- 18:48Speaker 4: to get the obstetrician to talk to you.
- 18:50Speaker 5: And so then it was.
- 18:51Speaker 4: Just like like the worst feeling I've I actually haven't
- 18:55Speaker 4: talked about his phages but and so then I got
- 18:59Speaker 4: put into a little room for fifteen minutes by myself,
- 19:02Speaker 4: and the obstetrician walked in and just pushed the tissues
- 19:05Speaker 4: towards me. You're kidding, yeah, And she said it's not
- 19:08Speaker 4: good news, and I started crying, and she basically started
- 19:14Speaker 4: describing what it was, but never kind of got into
- 19:19Speaker 4: like you just want information, Like I was like, so
- 19:22Speaker 4: does this what does this mean?
- 19:23Speaker 5: Like am I so we have to terminate it or whatever?
- 19:26Speaker 5: And she said we just don't know.
- 19:27Speaker 4: She's actually quite strange as an obstitution, Like this lady.
- 19:31Speaker 5: She because when I was crying, she goes, Oh my god,
- 19:35Speaker 5: she goes, this is actually the worst part of my job.
- 19:39Speaker 5: I was like.
- 19:43Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 19:43Speaker 5: I was like, okay, sorry, why.
- 19:45Speaker 1: Do we do the best? Yeah?
- 19:49Speaker 4: Right, So she was like, he has this thing called
- 19:52Speaker 4: I suspect he has this thing called tetralogy of Fallow.
- 19:56Speaker 4: And it's I know it's called Tetralogy of Fallow.
- 20:01Speaker 2: The things I know.
- 20:02Speaker 4: I wish it was more simple because no one can
- 20:05Speaker 4: remember it.
- 20:05Speaker 5: It sounds like a JR.
- 20:09Speaker 4: Tolkien novel or something, but it's it's like, there's four
- 20:14Speaker 4: things that have gone wrong with the heart, so they
- 20:17Speaker 4: only need to correct too, and that's the whole, and
- 20:20Speaker 4: there's the valve. But the thing is it can be
- 20:23Speaker 4: a sign of other abnormalities. So I didn't know whether
- 20:26Speaker 4: I was going to have what he had had genetic abnormalities,
- 20:30Speaker 4: and we would have to terminate at like twenty weeks,
- 20:32Speaker 4: which would have been so horrible anyway, So we went
- 20:34Speaker 4: in at twenty weeks and had everything done and they
- 20:37Speaker 4: were like, no, he's actually completely healthy and normal except
- 20:41Speaker 4: for this thing, and they said.
- 20:44Speaker 5: It was actually funny because a lot of like I
- 20:46Speaker 5: got a lot.
- 20:46Speaker 4: Of comfort from the women who were like, it's okay, darling,
- 20:49Speaker 4: everything's going to be fine. We have so many kids
- 20:51Speaker 4: who come in with this gets fixed. And I liked
- 20:54Speaker 4: that kind of caring, feminine reassurance.
- 20:57Speaker 5: Whereas my boyfriend, who's.
- 20:58Speaker 4: Half Chinese, doesn't like all of that very fairy talk.
- 21:02Speaker 4: And he loved the doctor because the doctor was this
- 21:04Speaker 4: Chinese guy, this little guy called doctor guy, and he
- 21:07Speaker 4: just looked at it and he said, we can.
- 21:09Speaker 5: Fix, we can fix, and he's like, it's fine, I
- 21:12Speaker 5: fix all the time. It's fine out.
- 21:15Speaker 4: Yeah, And like my boyfriend like enjoyed a Chinese man
- 21:19Speaker 4: who knows what he's talking about, like assuring us of
- 21:22Speaker 4: and so, yeah.
- 21:23Speaker 2: At least you had both ends of the spectrum, like
- 21:26Speaker 2: you have your self touch of the you had like
- 21:29Speaker 2: the firmness of the Chinese doctor.
- 21:31Speaker 5: So totally everyone's covered.
- 21:33Speaker 4: Yeah, And so they do. They f it's kind of
- 21:36Speaker 4: their bread and butter surgery. There's literally today would be
- 21:40Speaker 4: two three kids right now at Westmead getting it done.
- 21:43Speaker 4: It's like something that they'd fix a lot, but it
- 21:45Speaker 4: is something that to fix.
- 21:48Speaker 5: To fixate its open heart surgery. Yeah on a baby.
- 21:53Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, baby, not a child.
- 21:54Speaker 4: And so this is all happened like so this is
- 21:58Speaker 4: before I've had the baby. So they're all very confident
- 22:01Speaker 4: and like we fix it all the time. And they
- 22:03Speaker 4: make me feel like, you know, back to the pregnancy,
- 22:06Speaker 4: just you know, he's healthy and like we'll fix it.
- 22:08Speaker 5: And these are all the steps.
- 22:11Speaker 4: But you know, I'm reading things online and there's a
- 22:13Speaker 4: big spectrum and there's people who've had a really terrible
- 22:16Speaker 4: time with it. But I also think you have to
- 22:18Speaker 4: remember when you're reading stuff online, the sort of person
- 22:21Speaker 4: who posts in online forums is a very anxious person.
- 22:24Speaker 5: Usually, do you know what I mean?
- 22:26Speaker 4: Like, so, yeah, anyway, so I just tried to be
- 22:30Speaker 4: positive and stuff, and then I had the baby and
- 22:32Speaker 4: it's suddenly like, oh, they're going to do this to
- 22:36Speaker 4: my baby. And so that then became like I had
- 22:40Speaker 4: been quite positive and like it's fixable, blah blah blah,
- 22:44Speaker 4: and then suddenly it was like, but what if it's
- 22:46Speaker 4: not and what if something goes wrong?
- 22:48Speaker 5: And then I had this little baby?
- 22:50Speaker 2: How long until they have the surgery?
- 22:52Speaker 4: So they didn't know, so the heart kind of takes
- 22:56Speaker 4: a little while to settle when the baby's born, Like
- 22:58Speaker 4: there's a few little vowels and stuff that open and shut,
- 23:01Speaker 4: just in general, so they just had to see how
- 23:04Speaker 4: it all settled and then keep an eye on it,
- 23:07Speaker 4: and then they would decide based on how much oxygen
- 23:10Speaker 4: he's getting and everything. So when he was born, they
- 23:13Speaker 4: said probably around in six months. We had a surprise
- 23:16Speaker 4: hospital visit. They can go blue. They go blue when
- 23:20Speaker 4: the valve gets constricted, and it can happen like if
- 23:24Speaker 4: they're having a big crying fit or whatever.
- 23:26Speaker 5: So that just added because they cry.
- 23:28Speaker 4: So when he would cry, like normal people are freaking out,
- 23:31Speaker 4: but I'm freaking out because I'm worried he's going to
- 23:34Speaker 4: go blue. So like all of my anxieties were just
- 23:36Speaker 4: so heightened. But then I also had a really normal experience,
- 23:40Speaker 4: like whenever I talk to other mums, we were dealing
- 23:43Speaker 4: with the same thing that I just had such an
- 23:45Speaker 4: extra worry. And then we had a hospital stay that
- 23:50Speaker 4: was unexpected. He had a blue spell during one of
- 23:53Speaker 4: his checkups and then it was suddenly like we're getting
- 23:56Speaker 4: rushed to Westmead Hospital and we were there for a week,
- 24:00Speaker 4: and I don't know, if you've ever been on a
- 24:01Speaker 4: ward with a child, it's just like I had a
- 24:05Speaker 4: little You have to put them to sleep, and there's
- 24:08Speaker 4: six other babies screaming, and then it's a nightmare and
- 24:11Speaker 4: the nurses come in, so you just I just get
- 24:14Speaker 4: him to sleep, and then the nurse would come in
- 24:17Speaker 4: and take.
- 24:17Speaker 5: His blood pressure and he'd wake up screaming, and.
- 24:20Speaker 4: I'd get him settled, and another baby would wake up screaming,
- 24:23Speaker 4: and I just didn't sleep for the entire I felt
- 24:25Speaker 4: like I was in hell. There was a woman next
- 24:27Speaker 4: to me and her little girl, Huffsa. She had a
- 24:30Speaker 4: little girl and she was coming down off she'd just
- 24:33Speaker 4: had heart surgery and she was recovering and she was
- 24:36Speaker 4: in delirium. So her little girl screamed for like twenty
- 24:39Speaker 4: three hours of twenty four hours. They couldn't do anything,
- 24:44Speaker 4: and then they and then there's like hell, yeah, and
- 24:46Speaker 4: that she happened to my son as well.
- 24:49Speaker 1: I've never heard never I know that.
- 24:51Speaker 5: Yeah, well hope that's a good thing.
- 24:53Speaker 7: Yeah.
- 24:54Speaker 3: I get like, like for them to scream, do they
- 24:59Speaker 3: explore what, like why they screamed so much?
- 25:02Speaker 1: They just so not all of.
- 25:03Speaker 5: Them get screaming delirium.
- 25:05Speaker 4: My son went cross eyed, which was actually I'm laughing now,
- 25:09Speaker 4: but I it was like it was fucked.
- 25:13Speaker 5: I was so upset because no one knew what was
- 25:15Speaker 5: going on either. They were like, we don't really know
- 25:18Speaker 5: why he's doing that.
- 25:19Speaker 4: We can do a brain scan tomorrow, and I'm like,
- 25:22Speaker 4: please don't talk about We've.
- 25:23Speaker 2: Just done the heart.
- 25:24Speaker 4: I know, because the whole time it's been like, you know,
- 25:28Speaker 4: with the brain, that's that's very scary.
- 25:30Speaker 5: It so seems so unknown.
- 25:31Speaker 4: But with the heart, like even though it's horrific, it's
- 25:34Speaker 4: a pump, like, it's mechanical.
- 25:36Speaker 5: They can fix it.
- 25:37Speaker 4: Like my midwife would always say, like he's got a
- 25:39Speaker 4: pumbing issue, but we can fix it.
- 25:41Speaker 5: And that kind of calmed me down, is there?
- 25:44Speaker 2: And this is like a confronting question. So apologies to classes,
- 25:48Speaker 2: but you know, you think all the feedback you're getting
- 25:51Speaker 2: from the medical staff is that this is fixable and
- 25:53Speaker 2: this is not something that we haven't dealt with before,
- 25:56Speaker 2: we have experience here. But at the same time, open
- 25:59Speaker 2: heart surgery is full on in your head. Are you
- 26:03Speaker 2: also trying to manage expectations of like I wanted to
- 26:06Speaker 2: go well, but things might not work out. I know,
- 26:09Speaker 2: where's your head at? Leading into that five months.
- 26:12Speaker 4: I was just so mental because yeah, it's like how
- 26:14Speaker 4: do you love? I loved this thing that I felt
- 26:18Speaker 4: also like he could be taken from me, and like
- 26:21Speaker 4: they would talk about, you know, they have to tell
- 26:23Speaker 4: you what they're going to do in the surgery, and
- 26:25Speaker 4: I never wanted to be told, but you know, they
- 26:29Speaker 4: have to break his sternum and his blood is outside
- 26:33Speaker 4: of his body.
- 26:34Speaker 5: He's they stop his heart as.
- 26:37Speaker 4: A five month old like this, and he was you know,
- 26:39Speaker 4: I know everyone thinks their baby special, but like he
- 26:41Speaker 4: just is so full of life and so happy, and
- 26:46Speaker 4: like I couldn't.
- 26:47Speaker 5: Yeah, there was.
- 26:48Speaker 4: It was very tough because I felt like I had
- 26:52Speaker 4: to confront his death all the time. Like I just
- 26:55Speaker 4: felt like every day I had to think, like every
- 26:58Speaker 4: time he smiled or did something, I was like, you
- 27:00Speaker 4: might die.
- 27:01Speaker 5: And it almost made me scared of him.
- 27:03Speaker 4: Like like I was scared of his weakness. And I
- 27:06Speaker 4: also think other people were were a little bit too,
- 27:10Speaker 4: because we always It's like when people talked about him,
- 27:12Speaker 4: they always said.
- 27:13Speaker 5: Like look how strong he is it look how big.
- 27:15Speaker 4: And tough he is, and it was almost like are
- 27:19Speaker 4: we saying this because to love him being weak, it's
- 27:23Speaker 4: like can we not love him as a weak baby? Like, yeah,
- 27:26Speaker 4: he has to show how strong he is in every
- 27:28Speaker 4: other way, do you know what I mean?
- 27:30Speaker 5: And I like, yeah, exactly.
- 27:33Speaker 1: For you to be like, well, it's like everything's okay,
- 27:36Speaker 1: and it's like it's not.
- 27:39Speaker 4: And even like when he was recovering from the open
- 27:42Speaker 4: heart surgery, he didn't recover as quickly as they had predicted.
- 27:46Speaker 4: He actually caught COVID somehow during operation or just after,
- 27:50Speaker 4: and yeah, so he was under sedation for longer and
- 27:54Speaker 4: it was a scary time, but the doctors and the
- 27:57Speaker 4: nurses were like, it's okay, he's recovered, ring Like he's
- 28:01Speaker 4: taking his time and he's recovering at the pace he
- 28:04Speaker 4: needs to. He doesn't have to recover perfectly, you know.
- 28:07Speaker 3: And like everyone recovers from yeah, and that includes a
- 28:11Speaker 3: five month old baby totally.
- 28:12Speaker 4: And I think, yeah, we had had this whole narrative
- 28:14Speaker 4: of like, oh, he's so tough, he's going to kick
- 28:16Speaker 4: surgery and the balls, and like it's actually like it's
- 28:19Speaker 4: actually okay that he didn't and he's still lovable. So yeah,
- 28:24Speaker 4: it was a very tough time, like I was. It
- 28:28Speaker 4: was weird because yeah, in so many ways I had
- 28:30Speaker 4: a you know, he was a normal baby, and but
- 28:33Speaker 4: I just could not enjoy it in the same way.
- 28:35Speaker 4: And I like, really, it feels like life has started now.
- 28:38Speaker 3: Yes, So the lead up to the surgery, not knowing
- 28:41Speaker 3: when it's going to happen, I suppose they.
- 28:43Speaker 5: Said yes, but then we did lock it in.
- 28:46Speaker 4: Okay, So after that hospital stay that the surgeon was like,
- 28:49Speaker 4: let's just.
- 28:49Speaker 5: Lock it in. We'll do it. And the lead up
- 28:52Speaker 5: is just I mean, I lost my mind. I was
- 28:55Speaker 5: just like I would.
- 28:56Speaker 4: Just walk around crying, weeping in public, like I don't know, you,
- 29:02Speaker 4: I just it was just so sad.
- 29:04Speaker 5: So I'm going to cry. It's so funny that I
- 29:08Speaker 5: was talking about being having come.
- 29:13Speaker 4: But yeah, it's it's like a it's oh my god,
- 29:16Speaker 4: it's embarrassing.
- 29:18Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, obviously it's a sad topic.
- 29:22Speaker 4: But he's really good now, Like he's really he's really strong.
- 29:27Speaker 5: He's actually already.
- 29:28Speaker 3: Lifting other than you waiting for surgery or is it normal?
- 29:37Speaker 1: Like everything is well?
- 29:39Speaker 4: They tell me like they're they're like, yeah, he can
- 29:41Speaker 4: do everything. He needs to check up every year for
- 29:43Speaker 4: the rest of his life, and he will need when
- 29:47Speaker 4: he's older, like when he goes through puberty, they will
- 29:49Speaker 4: need to put another valve in.
- 29:51Speaker 5: That's the main thing.
- 29:52Speaker 4: But the surgeon seems to think that they won't have
- 29:55Speaker 4: to do open heart again, that they can do most
- 29:57Speaker 4: of these things via catheter. So I'll always worry, like
- 30:01Speaker 4: I'll just always freak out.
- 30:04Speaker 5: And he's so active and sometimes I'm like, just chill, chill. Yeah,
- 30:10Speaker 5: I just want him.
- 30:10Speaker 4: To be a ballet dancer or something. I wanted to
- 30:12Speaker 4: be athletic, but like not contact sport. Yeah, And I'm
- 30:16Speaker 4: just scared that he was going to want to play rugby.
- 30:19Speaker 5: And because there's a famou you.
- 30:21Speaker 4: Do know Sean White, the Olympic snowboarder, he has tetralogy
- 30:24Speaker 4: A fellow really yeah, so he needed like three open
- 30:27Speaker 4: heart surgeries before.
- 30:27Speaker 2: The age of five, flying in the air like twenty
- 30:31Speaker 2: feet out of our heart.
- 30:32Speaker 4: Yeah, and like he you know, did football, and like
- 30:37Speaker 4: they can definitely do apparently whatever other kid does.
- 30:42Speaker 2: I will not tell George that George reading.
- 30:46Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm like, You're going to just live with mummy.
- 30:50Speaker 2: Like you know, when you go through that traumatic experience
- 30:53Speaker 2: as a parent and you come out the other end.
- 30:55Speaker 2: And we spoke before about the fact that parenting is amazing,
- 30:59Speaker 2: but those are moments are matched with moments where it's exhausting,
- 31:02Speaker 2: it's relentless, it's so bloody hard. Do you ever get
- 31:07Speaker 2: guilt your life? You know? I thought I might lose you.
- 31:12Speaker 4: Yeah, and you're pissing me on Yeah, yeah, totally. And
- 31:16Speaker 4: then and then that's even harder because I'm like, I'm
- 31:19Speaker 4: not even allowed to have the normal.
- 31:22Speaker 5: Experience of being pissed off at your kids.
- 31:24Speaker 4: Yeah, it does feel like I was it almost the
- 31:28Speaker 4: different ways in which I feel I've been robbed emerge
- 31:33Speaker 4: like I don't even I wasn't even prepared, Like he's
- 31:36Speaker 4: he's not a great sleeper, but only because we are.
- 31:40Speaker 4: You know, for the first six months of his life,
- 31:42Speaker 4: they said, don't let him cry too much because he
- 31:44Speaker 4: might go blue and lose oxygen. And then he has
- 31:47Speaker 4: his heart fixed, and they're like, yep, he's good. His
- 31:49Speaker 4: heart's like fixed. You can let him scream his head off,
- 31:53Speaker 4: but that's a very hard thing for us to do.
- 31:55Speaker 2: We don't want to do that.
- 31:57Speaker 4: So because of that, he just runs rings around us,
- 32:01Speaker 4: like we just do whatever he wants. Like yeah, which
- 32:06Speaker 4: you know probably isn't good for him. Like, I know
- 32:08Speaker 4: that I need to teach him to sleep, and that
- 32:12Speaker 4: will require me like dealing with my own anxiety around
- 32:15Speaker 4: his health for his own sake.
- 32:17Speaker 5: But that's just really hard to do.
- 32:20Speaker 4: And yeah, I just feel angry sometimes that I can't
- 32:24Speaker 4: even do I can't do that, Like, but yeah, I.
- 32:29Speaker 1: Don't know what does a sleep team look like for
- 32:31Speaker 1: you guys?
- 32:31Speaker 5: Well, just he does what he wants. We kind of
- 32:35Speaker 5: cater to that.
- 32:36Speaker 4: No, we tried to. You know, he has his stories
- 32:40Speaker 4: and his toys and stuff. We're slowly getting him to
- 32:47Speaker 4: learn to fall asleep without the boob.
- 32:48Speaker 5: But I've fed to sleep just.
- 32:51Speaker 4: For every Yeah, it's easy, and you know, I'm like,
- 32:54Speaker 4: he's been through.
- 32:54Speaker 2: So much, Like I'll give him some titty.
- 32:57Speaker 5: Yeah, given the boob when they love It's like who
- 33:00Speaker 5: am I to take it from him? And you can
- 33:02Speaker 5: always find someone to justify it.
- 33:04Speaker 2: But I think every parent. We have another friend who's
- 33:07Speaker 2: got a baby that doesn't sleep, and the dad is like,
- 33:11Speaker 2: I just can't if the baby's sleeping, Like I've just
- 33:14Speaker 2: got to go in there, and you know that you're
- 33:16Speaker 2: doing a disservice to the baby. But you're like, we
- 33:20Speaker 2: used to rock Marley to sleep every single nap she
- 33:23Speaker 2: had and then transition into a car like we were.
- 33:26Speaker 2: We gave her like a life of pure luxury and
- 33:29Speaker 2: so then when it was time for her to like
- 33:30Speaker 2: fend for herself, she was like, yeah, you've You've held
- 33:34Speaker 2: my hand every step of the way, and now you
- 33:35Speaker 2: can let go.
- 33:36Speaker 1: Transition is like it's like handling a explosive.
- 33:39Speaker 4: You're like, and you start hating any sound like yeah,
- 33:44Speaker 4: the I'm like, if I had.
- 33:45Speaker 5: A gone, I would have shot a bunch.
- 33:47Speaker 4: Of dogs, like or like someone's doing repairs in the building.
- 33:55Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, you're you're plumbing just had to be
- 33:57Speaker 5: fixed to.
- 34:00Speaker 3: Like my daughter, or like maybe my daughter was having
- 34:03Speaker 3: a nap and it would be like the neighbor hated this.
- 34:06Speaker 1: I reckon. She just drilled on purpose. I get a call,
- 34:09Speaker 1: I'm going to go over there. I'm like, go on, yeah, Like.
- 34:15Speaker 4: It gets so Psycho. I was laughing the other day.
- 34:18Speaker 4: I mean I'm still in it. Like but with my family.
- 34:21Speaker 4: We went to visit my family over Christmas and I
- 34:24Speaker 4: was inside having a nap with George, just got him
- 34:27Speaker 4: to sleep.
- 34:27Speaker 5: He was in a really good nap, and there was
- 34:29Speaker 5: a freak do you know.
- 34:30Speaker 4: What a whirlyworli is? It was like a mini tornado. Yeah,
- 34:36Speaker 4: a freak whirly whirly whipped through my parents seriously, and
- 34:44Speaker 4: it lifted all the lawn furniture in the air and
- 34:48Speaker 4: a big umbrella and my stepmom tried to grab it
- 34:51Speaker 4: and she got all lifted.
- 34:56Speaker 5: Seriously. She nearly died.
- 34:58Speaker 4: Everyone's screaming and I'm in the room and I come
- 35:00Speaker 4: out and I'm like, he just.
- 35:02Speaker 1: Got to sleep.
- 35:06Speaker 8: So it's funny how like psychotic you get, like because
- 35:17Speaker 8: I know that, like.
- 35:19Speaker 3: Yeah, that it's so precious, especially like a nap. The
- 35:23Speaker 3: naps in the day sets you up for what your.
- 35:25Speaker 5: Night's going to fucking you think it does, and it's
- 35:27Speaker 5: like does it?
- 35:28Speaker 1: It does, and.
- 35:30Speaker 5: You're like, we have to get on.
- 35:31Speaker 1: The schedule again, and then there's just like one noise.
- 35:35Speaker 1: You're like, for god, I know, yeah, And.
- 35:39Speaker 4: You have no control over anything that you think if
- 35:42Speaker 4: you can control nap time and weak windows and stuff.
- 35:45Speaker 3: But my parents were over the other day and both
- 35:48Speaker 3: kids have been like, didn't up all day. It was
- 35:51Speaker 3: like a really big.
- 35:51Speaker 1: Day for them.
- 35:52Speaker 3: My parents came in the late afternoon, so they're excited
- 35:54Speaker 3: again because my parents are there, and then they go
- 35:57Speaker 3: after sleep.
- 35:57Speaker 1: My dad's such a gone death, I reckon, so allowed
- 36:00Speaker 1: to Yeah. Every five minutes, I'm like shut and he's like,
- 36:04Speaker 1: we here to visit you. I'm like, I wish I
- 36:08Speaker 1: did it. Now they're away again.
- 36:11Speaker 4: It's like they punish you, the parents, like they like
- 36:15Speaker 4: seeing us in turmoil.
- 36:17Speaker 1: Oh for sure, for sure. I mean they're like, we've
- 36:19Speaker 1: done it, now you've got it.
- 36:21Speaker 5: And they think we're insane.
- 36:22Speaker 4: Like I think they just put us down when we
- 36:25Speaker 4: were tired and they just didn't follow all this stuff, whereas.
- 36:28Speaker 5: We're like, we actually need five hours before bedtime in
- 36:31Speaker 5: order to get the sleep.
- 36:32Speaker 1: Pressure.
- 36:35Speaker 3: Everyone thinks sleep, everyone think about being yeah, and then.
- 36:40Speaker 2: They're looking at Chris and being like, wow, he's such
- 36:42Speaker 2: a great father, he's so hands on.
- 36:47Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess so. I think there's a bit of
- 36:49Speaker 5: that reluctant. I don't know what they're thinking.
- 36:52Speaker 4: I think I think I'm such a psycho that they're
- 36:55Speaker 4: mostly focused on.
- 37:00Speaker 5: I'm still mental, I reckon, if you can't.
- 37:03Speaker 9: Tell you, I haven't picked up, just come out of
- 37:08Speaker 9: the jungle. So you think I'm coming off the back
- 37:14Speaker 9: of April being mental for so many years, and it's
- 37:18Speaker 9: completely I feel like, it's.
- 37:20Speaker 3: So it's so normal to be like, we're all so
- 37:23Speaker 3: hyper sensitive in that mind your way, in the absolute
- 37:27Speaker 3: thick of it's got nothing on that you remember that
- 37:29Speaker 3: you're like.
- 37:30Speaker 2: People people who are in the first years amazing, amazing.
- 37:36Speaker 3: But there was also the hell it's like we also
- 37:40Speaker 3: we joke a lot. Is like I don't remember, we
- 37:42Speaker 3: don't remember. You forget all about this until you have
- 37:46Speaker 3: another one, and then you forget all about it all
- 37:48Speaker 3: over again.
- 37:49Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean. And also it's like, but I love it,
- 37:53Speaker 5: like I'm in hell, but I love it. And it's
- 37:56Speaker 5: hard to explain that you.
- 37:58Speaker 2: Have produces is like trying to understand it doesn't no parents.
- 38:06Speaker 2: When you're like, it's hell, but I've like, but I'm
- 38:10Speaker 2: I've acclimatized to it, used to it, and I've got
- 38:13Speaker 2: a comfy seat.
- 38:14Speaker 3: It becomes You're like, it becomes like your whole hobby,
- 38:17Speaker 3: your whole life. You're like this, I actually don't can't
- 38:21Speaker 3: see it any other way anymore.
- 38:22Speaker 4: I know, And I feel like it's a like you
- 38:26Speaker 4: you're passing on like not having kids for me felt
- 38:30Speaker 4: a bit like refusing to have your turn in Tiggy,
- 38:34Speaker 4: you know, like the kids, yeah are Actually I'm like
- 38:39Speaker 4: I've come down an ancestral line of like, you know,
- 38:42Speaker 4: I've got a pretty interesting family, like we all do.
- 38:44Speaker 4: But like my dad's family, his mum was Aboriginal, his
- 38:48Speaker 4: dad was Russian. You know, it's just hectic, and it's
- 38:53Speaker 4: just like women for so long have just been like
- 38:57Speaker 4: squatting out kids in absurd circumstances, so difficult, and it's
- 39:02Speaker 4: just so funny for me to be in like bed
- 39:05Speaker 4: ordering uber eats, like no, I don't think I can
- 39:07Speaker 4: do it.
- 39:08Speaker 1: Strategy like don't knock it, don't look me in the eyes.
- 39:12Speaker 3: Like my my grandfather's indigenous and he was one of fourteen.
- 39:15Speaker 1: Yeah fuck did his mum do fourteen? And we've got
- 39:20Speaker 1: like two and we're like, don't wake them up?
- 39:22Speaker 5: Yeah exactly.
- 39:23Speaker 4: And it just felt like it like it's my turn
- 39:25Speaker 4: and I just had to do it.
- 39:28Speaker 2: I don't know, how are you finding doing it in
- 39:32Speaker 2: regards to.
- 39:32Speaker 4: Work, It's in some ways it's really good because I
- 39:36Speaker 4: used to be so neurotic about putting you know, like
- 39:39Speaker 4: I'm going to try this new joke and I get
- 39:42Speaker 4: really doubt if it didn't work or whatever.
- 39:43Speaker 5: And now it's like fuck it. Like I'm quite free
- 39:45Speaker 5: of mind.
- 39:46Speaker 4: Like I go, I'm doing bedtime, dinner time, it's bath.
- 39:51Speaker 5: And then I have to get in a like uber
- 39:52Speaker 5: and go to a gig and I just have to
- 39:54Speaker 5: try it.
- 39:55Speaker 4: And I think that kind of I don't give a
- 39:57Speaker 4: fuck attitude is like helpful.
- 40:00Speaker 1: Yeah, as your material change them, it.
- 40:02Speaker 4: Has, Yeah, but then you also have a lot of
- 40:05Speaker 4: time to think about stuff like I'm lying there with
- 40:07Speaker 4: this during nap time, and you have like time to
- 40:10Speaker 4: be a bit you know, I can write, Yeah.
- 40:13Speaker 3: The things that you didn't maybe, like you might just
- 40:16Speaker 3: be walking down the street with your baby and you're
- 40:18Speaker 3: like okay, and then you get home and you're like, okay,
- 40:20Speaker 3: I'm waiting for the baby to wake up. Way, I'm
- 40:23Speaker 3: observing things that happened different now.
- 40:25Speaker 4: Yeah, And you're also just rooted in, you know, humanity
- 40:30Speaker 4: a bit more Like when I talk to Uber drivers now,
- 40:32Speaker 4: it's like we're both like.
- 40:33Speaker 5: I love my kids.
- 40:34Speaker 4: It's like I fucking love my kid, and it's like
- 40:36Speaker 4: you're all The other day was at the airport in
- 40:39Speaker 4: Coffs Harbor and I saw this mom and it was
- 40:41Speaker 4: so cute her little her girl was coming to Sydney
- 40:44Speaker 4: and she had her little Sydney outfit on, like oh
- 40:47Speaker 4: you know, little Ara and William's boots and she had
- 40:49Speaker 4: a little backpack Sydney. Yeah, it's just so excited and
- 40:54Speaker 4: the mom, you know, you could see her saying goodbye
- 40:57Speaker 4: to her and it's like, oh, you know, And I
- 40:59Speaker 4: really felt that, like, oh my god, they grow up
- 41:01Speaker 4: and then they leave, and I just might not have
- 41:03Speaker 4: ever observed that before and understood.
- 41:05Speaker 5: It's like you you see what roots people to.
- 41:09Speaker 4: Or like binds them to the earth, like why they work,
- 41:12Speaker 4: why they do these things, like.
- 41:13Speaker 2: You do it no greater purpose?
- 41:15Speaker 4: Yeah, and you just love and it's fun to show
- 41:19Speaker 4: a new human being how to enjoy the world. Like
- 41:22Speaker 4: I just think about my son's the experiences he gets
- 41:26Speaker 4: will will have in his life, like just even I
- 41:30Speaker 4: don't know, waking up on a nice morning and smelling
- 41:33Speaker 4: like a nice smell, and I think about him doing that.
- 41:36Speaker 5: It makes me happy. First, Yeah, just new.
- 41:41Speaker 3: Things like trying to get on their level too, with
- 41:44Speaker 3: seeing something for the first time, like when as adults,
- 41:46Speaker 3: when I'm like, fucking look that you imagine.
- 41:50Speaker 5: Like everything everything.
- 41:53Speaker 4: Dropping astard all day and then we're like go to sleep,
- 41:57Speaker 4: Go to sleep?
- 41:58Speaker 9: Where the.
- 42:00Speaker 1: I just want to rainbow? You just tell me a
- 42:02Speaker 1: fucking rainbow? You like, go to sleep? Now anything?
- 42:08Speaker 3: Yeah?
- 42:08Speaker 2: Is it hard to work at the same pace, like
- 42:12Speaker 2: at the moment I laid fringes on. Yeah, speaking to
- 42:15Speaker 2: other comedians and they'll do like consecutive shows like ten, fifteen,
- 42:19Speaker 2: twenty shows back to back.
- 42:20Speaker 4: Yeah, and you're probably talking to the men doing it
- 42:22Speaker 4: as well, which is very different. Like I don't actually
- 42:25Speaker 4: not to be like I'm the only because I'm not.
- 42:27Speaker 4: But I don't know many women who've I'm still breastfeeding
- 42:31Speaker 4: and stuff. I don't really know women who've gone back
- 42:33Speaker 4: to it in this way. And I'm actually a bit nervous,
- 42:37Speaker 4: to be honest, Like I'm excited to do the show
- 42:39Speaker 4: and I hope that it's good and people like it,
- 42:42Speaker 4: but I'm really scared to do it. Then you can't
- 42:48Speaker 4: like when I've done Adelaide and Melbourne. You know, you
- 42:51Speaker 4: do your show and then you go home and you
- 42:52Speaker 4: think about what worked and didn't work, and you can
- 42:54Speaker 4: really like put that time into it and I just can't.
- 42:58Speaker 5: I mean I can. I'll have to find.
- 43:00Speaker 2: Ways to do that to keep my little human alive exactly.
- 43:03Speaker 5: It's just that there will be balancing and.
- 43:05Speaker 1: I hope that's okay, you'll take him.
- 43:08Speaker 5: Yeah. So luckily Chris has been able to take time
- 43:10Speaker 5: off work so I can tour and stuff.
- 43:13Speaker 1: Wow, ok, yeah cool, Yeah, I know.
- 43:16Speaker 5: Crazily. I'm the bread winner and I'm a comedian. It's
- 43:19Speaker 5: like not, it's not normal.
- 43:22Speaker 4: I remember when I realized I needed money to It's
- 43:28Speaker 4: a really crazy but I realized. I was at the
- 43:32Speaker 4: Now salon and this rich woman was talking to me
- 43:36Speaker 4: and I said, oh, yeah, I'm thinking about having a baby.
- 43:38Speaker 4: We started talking and she said, oh, what do you do?
- 43:41Speaker 4: And I said I'm a comedian and she went.
- 43:46Speaker 5: And she said what does your partner do? And I
- 43:49Speaker 5: said he's a social worker, and she went like she
- 43:53Speaker 5: could not hide her disdain.
- 43:58Speaker 2: You're working in like, I don't know, as an avatar,
- 44:02Speaker 2: or like killing animals entertain people.
- 44:07Speaker 5: Yeah, an avatar at least has a regular paycheck.
- 44:12Speaker 1: Say you're a frustration a dead animal.
- 44:15Speaker 2: I think the work is admirable.
- 44:19Speaker 1: On your side.
- 44:20Speaker 5: I don't think she meant it was not admirable.
- 44:22Speaker 4: I think she was just like, what are you going
- 44:24Speaker 4: to do for money? You have a it's not a
- 44:26Speaker 4: real thing to do.
- 44:28Speaker 5: And she's not wrong.
- 44:29Speaker 2: You're proving her, proving her wrong.
- 44:32Speaker 5: That's true. That's true.
- 44:34Speaker 4: I have done well And if people just want to
- 44:35Speaker 4: keep buying tickets, that would be really good.
- 44:38Speaker 2: Put some information in the show notes.
- 44:40Speaker 5: Definitely, Yeah, please.
- 44:43Speaker 2: Or two questions. Okay, I know that it's still early days,
- 44:47Speaker 2: like you're still with a newborn, so maybe way too
- 44:49Speaker 2: premature to ask this question, but will you go a second? Yeah?
- 44:53Speaker 5: I would love to.
- 44:54Speaker 4: I feel like it would be very healing to go
- 44:56Speaker 4: through the process and hopefully not have something go, you know,
- 45:01Speaker 4: the health thing or fucked if it happens again.
- 45:04Speaker 5: It's not a gen anything, it's just a freak accident.
- 45:07Speaker 5: But I would love to.
- 45:09Speaker 4: I just don't know how. We don't have family in town.
- 45:12Speaker 4: It feels like we're just handballing him back and forth.
- 45:14Speaker 4: We haven't nanny once a week. Day Care could be
- 45:17Speaker 4: life changing, and it is. I used to be like
- 45:19Speaker 4: no daycare, and now I'm like, what about daycare?
- 45:22Speaker 1: Honestly, I think like I think we waited.
- 45:25Speaker 2: We waited till Marley was like definitely beyond twelve months. Yeah,
- 45:29Speaker 2: we put her in for a couple of days a
- 45:30Speaker 2: week and we just, yeah, you.
- 45:33Speaker 1: Don't know yourself.
- 45:34Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm thinking eighteen months two days a week.
- 45:37Speaker 2: We change.
- 45:38Speaker 1: We forget that.
- 45:39Speaker 3: It's like the stimulation that they get to like it
- 45:42Speaker 3: might be like feel like I'm just off boarding.
- 45:45Speaker 1: It's to someone else, but they have so much.
- 45:48Speaker 4: Yeah, new toys, and he does come alive with other people,
- 45:51Speaker 4: like he gets bored of me and then loves.
- 45:54Speaker 5: He'll be grizzly and then we go out and he's
- 45:55Speaker 5: like weaving and.
- 45:56Speaker 1: Everyone and then just do so much with Yeah. It's
- 46:00Speaker 1: you know, and there's other kids doing the same ship.
- 46:02Speaker 5: So I think I am thinking.
- 46:06Speaker 2: The waiting lists in Sydney are pretty extream, So we're
- 46:09Speaker 2: just going to add to totally.
- 46:10Speaker 4: I should I think once I have a little and
- 46:13Speaker 4: you know, once he gets at the moment, we're just
- 46:15Speaker 4: still definitely in the trenches of like totally it's just
- 46:18Speaker 4: physically hard.
- 46:20Speaker 3: Yeah, but you mentioned we handball, Yeah, and it's every
- 46:24Speaker 3: couples doing the same thing. We're like, you know, like
- 46:28Speaker 3: you taking for now and get some rare a lot
- 46:31Speaker 3: of families going through all that. But when you when
- 46:33Speaker 3: you have two, it does become a bit more difficult.
- 46:35Speaker 3: But then they sort of go together.
- 46:37Speaker 5: I know, and you kind of need you need. You
- 46:41Speaker 5: can't play a ball game without four people.
- 46:44Speaker 4: You kind of need two kids, two adults for family holidays.
- 46:48Speaker 2: You can't play with three. But it's a bit ship.
- 46:50Speaker 5: Yeah, it is a bit and the dynamics wrong.
- 46:52Speaker 4: It has to be two kids ganging up on the parents,
- 46:54Speaker 4: like totally.
- 46:56Speaker 2: It's even then.
- 46:57Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got my nieces.
- 46:58Speaker 3: She's an only child child, and I think there will
- 47:01Speaker 3: be the case. So I'm just like reluctant.
- 47:03Speaker 5: Oh no, I mean I'm an only child technically.
- 47:06Speaker 1: Winning thoughts and prayers with winning.
- 47:08Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm an.
- 47:10Speaker 4: Only child technically, but I do have two half sisters,
- 47:15Speaker 4: but you know, we didn't grow up together, so I
- 47:18Speaker 4: very much identify as an only child.
- 47:20Speaker 1: Yeah, my kids, like they just bicker.
- 47:23Speaker 2: Yeah, we will caveat that. Previous conversation is the only
- 47:27Speaker 2: children are great, and they are fantastic.
- 47:30Speaker 4: I think they are cameras.
- 47:35Speaker 5: I think they take on a lot.
- 47:36Speaker 4: As an only child, you take on like you're very
- 47:39Speaker 4: aware of your parents' sonamkers when you have a sibling,
- 47:42Speaker 4: you're in your own Yeah, And I do get sad
- 47:45Speaker 4: sometimes because I think there is no one in the
- 47:48Speaker 4: entire world who knows what it's like to have my mum.
- 47:51Speaker 5: No one, you know, you can know her, but no
- 47:54Speaker 5: one will know what it's like to be raised.
- 47:56Speaker 4: Yeah, Whereas now with half sisters, we can talk about
- 47:59Speaker 4: my dad or whatever. And that is a novel experience
- 48:02Speaker 4: to have other people yea, being parented by my dad
- 48:06Speaker 4: whereas yeah.
- 48:13Speaker 5: Where are you going with this? Is this just in
- 48:15Speaker 5: a trail off?
- 48:18Speaker 2: I don't know if that sort of picked up a
- 48:19Speaker 2: bust is.
- 48:19Speaker 5: Like listen, Nick Cody was a lot more.
- 48:28Speaker 2: One more question I have for you, Becky. When George
- 48:31Speaker 2: is all grown up, yes, he's no longer living at home.
- 48:34Speaker 2: If that time does come, who knows is the one
- 48:37Speaker 2: thing you would want him to remember about the house
- 48:39Speaker 2: that he grew up in.
- 48:40Speaker 1: Oh.
- 48:41Speaker 4: I just want him to remember like comfort and like
- 48:46Speaker 4: nice moments which his dad's really good at making, like
- 48:50Speaker 4: he really he knows, like Saturday morning, let's make pancakes
- 48:53Speaker 4: and put nice music on, and like coziness is such
- 48:56Speaker 4: a nice thing. And I also want him to feel
- 48:59Speaker 4: understand good. I want him to feel like, well, we've
- 49:02Speaker 4: really listened to him and made the effort to like
- 49:07Speaker 4: understand where he's coming from and his life.
- 49:10Speaker 5: And yeah, I don't know.
- 49:12Speaker 4: My parents can never remember my friend's names, and I
- 49:16Speaker 4: find that so frustrating. And it's like, I just want
- 49:18Speaker 4: to remember everything about his life, even if he finds
- 49:21Speaker 4: it over Mary.
- 49:23Speaker 5: I want to be an overbearing mom. I do. I
- 49:26Speaker 5: think it's nice.
- 49:27Speaker 2: I've really spoken for an hour, but it sounds to
- 49:31Speaker 2: me that you are a great mom and you have
- 49:32Speaker 2: a great partner who's also a great dads. So well done.
- 49:35Speaker 5: Thanks, thank you, that's really nice.
- 49:37Speaker 1: Thank you for spending some time with us.
- 49:39Speaker 5: Loved it, didn't I didn't know. I actually really love
- 49:41Speaker 5: hanging out.
- 49:41Speaker 1: With you guys. Thank you. Any chat about calm, I'm
- 49:43Speaker 1: all about.
- 49:46Speaker 4: I was a bit nervous, like, yeah, it's weird walking
- 49:49Speaker 4: into someone else's dynamic, But I think we've really got
- 49:52Speaker 4: a long guy's I think just if you want to
- 49:55Speaker 4: analyze how this.
- 49:56Speaker 1: Went, if you can come back anytime, you lie, I
- 50:00Speaker 1: can't come was like.
- 50:03Speaker 8: Can I come back?
- 50:05Speaker 4: It's also so fun to have permission to speak freely
- 50:08Speaker 4: about parenting because you know when you are at a
- 50:10Speaker 4: party and you there's people who aren't parents, and then
- 50:13Speaker 4: you are having a parenting chat and someone, a non
- 50:16Speaker 4: parenting person comes over and you're so yeah, you're so
- 50:20Speaker 4: self conscious about how boring you're being.
- 50:23Speaker 5: This podcast is really boring.
- 50:28Speaker 2: Non parents. Yeah, and you can see someone just like slowly.
- 50:33Speaker 3: We a lot of non parent listeners though or not
- 50:36Speaker 3: like some people are like, oh, it's my favorite podcast.
- 50:38Speaker 1: I have kids. Man, Well you're weird. Love you, Thank
- 50:45Speaker 1: you again.
- 50:46Speaker 4: No, thanks a lot, and and goodbye and at a point,
- 50:52Speaker 4: thanks guys, thank you.
- 51:00Speaker 1: Fun fact, we've had two guests that.
- 51:02Speaker 3: Have appeared on Cony now in this podcast.
- 51:04Speaker 2: Don't tell me who the other person was.
- 51:05Speaker 1: Who was it was?
- 51:11Speaker 3: It is Nick Cody, Nick Cody and Becky Lucas, which
- 51:15Speaker 3: is great for Australian comedy.
- 51:17Speaker 2: Both absolutely hairy, both absolutely hilarious. And if you found
- 51:24Speaker 2: Becky hilarious, anythink maybe I want to go see her
- 51:27Speaker 2: stand up. We have great news. You can see her
- 51:30Speaker 2: touring a new show. Things have changed, but the essence
- 51:33Speaker 2: remains all around the country. Tickets can be found in
- 51:36Speaker 2: the show notes.
- 51:37Speaker 3: That's that's an amazing name for a show. I will
- 51:41Speaker 3: just say.
- 51:41Speaker 2: That I like it very deep, Yes, mysterious.
- 51:44Speaker 3: Now, if you're listening, get out there and supporting you mum,
- 51:46Speaker 3: let me help her get back to work back on stage.
- 51:50Speaker 2: And if you've enjoyed this episode, help us say it work.
- 51:54Speaker 2: Just help us. You can subscribe, review, give us a
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- 52:04Speaker 2: We have a group there as well. And if there's
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- 52:08Speaker 2: or dads, anyone you may find interesting or hilarious, let
- 52:12Speaker 2: us know.
- 52:13Speaker 1: Until next time.
- 52:14Speaker 6: Bye.
- 52:22Speaker 2: Two Doting Dads podcast acknowledges the traditional custodians of country
- 52:26Speaker 2: throughout Australia and the connections to land, see and community.
- 52:30Speaker 3: We pay our respects to their elders past and present
- 52:33Speaker 3: and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torrestraight Islander
- 52:36Speaker 3: peoples today