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1_500 People Vanished Where Search Dogs Couldn_t Track _ Joe Rogan _ David Paulides _UFO _bestofjre · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: There was a truck driver in the Midwest where the
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  Speaker 1: salt of the earth kind of guy drove, drove independently,
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  Speaker 1: wifing the couple kids. He picks up a load I
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  Speaker 1: want to say it was pigs, and he's His truck
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  Speaker 1: is found like outside of Indiana on a little two
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  Speaker 1: lane highway, stopped on the side of the road. He's
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  Speaker 1: not anywhere to be found, but his coat is found
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  Speaker 1: in a ditch on the other side of the other lane.
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  Speaker 1: So the sheriff comes out. They do a huge search,
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  Speaker 1: flyovers canines, goes on for like four or five days. Nothing.
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  Speaker 1: A week and a half later, his body is found
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  Speaker 1: in that field, in the spot where they had searched
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  Speaker 1: all that time, impossible to miss. Corner says he's been
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  Speaker 1: dead for two weeks. Well, the chef can't make sense
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  Speaker 1: of that, because he searched that with dogs and people.
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  Speaker 1: That guy should have been there. But Joe, I have
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  Speaker 1: fifteen hundred of those cases where canines were brought in,
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  Speaker 1: multiple canine teams, multiple searches, and people were not found.
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  Speaker 1: And the point I try to make about this is
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  Speaker 1: that it's not that the searchers are inept, because I
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  Speaker 1: don't believe that. And I don't believe that the canines
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  Speaker 1: fail multiple multiple times, because I don't believe that can happen.
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe they were there when they were searching.
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  Speaker 1: They were left there later on.
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  Speaker 2: And so you've been into this for a long time, right,
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  Speaker 2: What was the first case that you looked into that
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  Speaker 2: got you thinking something weird's going on?
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  Speaker 1: Probably would have been a Yosemite And there was a
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  Speaker 1: girl named Stacy Airis, and she just weirdly. She grew
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  Speaker 1: up like five miles from me. I grew up in
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  Speaker 1: a little city, Cupertino, California. She grew up in Saratoga,
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  Speaker 1: the next town over. She went with her dad on
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  Speaker 1: a trip by horse sponsored by a contractor in the
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  Speaker 1: park at Yosemite, and they were going to ride into
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  Speaker 1: this place called the Heigh Sierra Camp, her and her
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  Speaker 1: dad and five other people, and they get escorted in
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  Speaker 1: by a cowboy contractor and they come to these cabins
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  Speaker 1: and her dad's an older guy. They get to the
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  Speaker 1: cabin and she says, hey, Dad, I'm want to go
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  Speaker 1: over here to the point. I'm want to take some pictures.
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  Speaker 1: She brings her camera and one of the guys, a
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  Speaker 1: seventy two year old guy is sitting at that point,
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  Speaker 1: and she goes, I'm going to go right there and
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  Speaker 1: sit with him and take some pictures. He goes, sure,
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  Speaker 1: Dad watches her walk out. They sits down old old
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  Speaker 1: guy barely they could ride the horse. She's taking pictures.
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  Speaker 1: She gets up and down. At the bottom of the
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  Speaker 1: hill there's a small lake, and surrounding the lake there's trees.
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  Speaker 1: She walks down into the trees, presumably to take pictures
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  Speaker 1: of the lake, but she doesn't come back. Big search,
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking about one of the biggest searches in Yosemite history.
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  Speaker 1: And they find the lens cap to a camera inside
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  Speaker 1: that path in the tree line. They never find her.
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  Speaker 1: And that happened forty six years ago. I filed the
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  Speaker 1: Freedom of Information Act for that report and all the
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  Speaker 1: investigation into it, and I get denied. I appealed, I
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  Speaker 1: got denied. Finally, a special agent from the Park Service.
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  Speaker 1: Just so people know, the Park Service has uniformed police officers,
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  Speaker 1: National Park Service Police that patrol their parks, and they
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  Speaker 1: go to the National Law Enforcement Academy up above them.
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  Speaker 1: They have special agents, detectives and they are doing all
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  Speaker 1: the follow up work that the police officers in the
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  Speaker 1: field do. This case goes to a special agent. There's
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  Speaker 1: been nothing done on this case in forty years. The
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  Speaker 1: special agent calls me, why do you want the case?
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  Speaker 1: I said, well, that's an irrelevant question. According to FYA,
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  Speaker 1: you can't ask that. And he goes, well, I want
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  Speaker 1: to know. I said, well, it's been forty seven years.
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  Speaker 1: I doubt anyone's looked at it. Have you looked at it? No,
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  Speaker 1: nobody's looked at it. I said, I'd like a copy
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  Speaker 1: of it, just to understand what happened. He goes, you're
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  Speaker 1: never going to get the case. This guy's name was
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  Speaker 1: special agent. You why you I said why and he says,
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  Speaker 1: none of your business, You're never going to get it.
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  Speaker 1: I said, first of all, why talk to me like that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm prior law enforcement. I'm not being rude. I just
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  Speaker 1: want to know. He goes, forget it, drop it. You're
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  Speaker 1: never going to see it. I said, no, I want
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  Speaker 1: that case. And he goes, you've never seen any other
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  Speaker 1: missing person case and you're not going to see this one.
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  Speaker 1: I said, WHOA. I have over thirty missing person cases
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  Speaker 1: from your agent's from around the United States that I've
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  Speaker 1: foied before and I've received You're a liar. You said
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  Speaker 1: that to me. I said, no, I'm not a liar.
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  Speaker 1: I don't lie, and this is the truth. And he goes, well,
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  Speaker 1: you're not getting this one. Anything else you want to know?
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  Speaker 1: I said, nah, I think you've done it. And that
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  Speaker 1: was it. In that amount of time, I've really found
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  Speaker 1: out nothing more about the Stacy Erra's case. Fourteen year
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  Speaker 1: old girl disappeared, never found. Nobody's ever done anything on
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  Speaker 1: the case in forty years. I still haven't seen it now.
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  Speaker 1: I talked to Tim Burchett, who you had in here
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  Speaker 1: the other day, and I explained to him, I want
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  Speaker 1: a meeting with Burgham and I want to lay out
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  Speaker 1: what I have and explain the abstruct Burgham the head
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  Speaker 1: of the Department of the Interior, Doug Bergham, and explain
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  Speaker 1: to him the obstructions that are happening in his agency.
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  Speaker 1: Those are our reports. If nobody's looked at it in
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  Speaker 1: forty plus years, what does it matter if I have it.
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  Speaker 2: The people that were working back then aren't working anymore.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like anyone's going to get in trouble. Half
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  Speaker 2: of them are dead. And Tim said, okay, how many
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  Speaker 2: people get a hold of you. They got a hold
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  Speaker 2: of me, They said that they called DOI, they said
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  Speaker 2: that DOI people said, yeah, we'll get.
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  Speaker 1: A hold of you. I called them three times. They
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  Speaker 1: won't call me back.
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  Speaker 2: So what are you things going on?
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  Speaker 1: So when you look at the totality of and let's
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  Speaker 1: just talk about Yosemite, as I dug into it, there's
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  Speaker 1: probably over fifty people missing in Yosemite as we talk
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  Speaker 1: right now. When I asked for a list from Yosemite
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  Speaker 1: from the Department of the Interior twelve years ago, they
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  Speaker 1: said they don't have a list. I asked for a
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  Speaker 1: list of missing people from the entire system in the
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  Speaker 1: Department of Interior. They said, we don't have a list.
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  Speaker 1: And I said, well, okay, I've written so many books,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a printed author. I'm going to ask you to
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  Speaker 1: put that list together for me. According to the rules,
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  Speaker 1: I fit that criteria to ask.
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  Speaker 2: But they said they don't have a list, right.
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  Speaker 1: But I asked them to put one together, okay, and
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  Speaker 1: they said we'll get back to you. They said, no,
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  Speaker 1: you don't qualify. But if you want us to put
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  Speaker 1: together a list from the entire system, it's going to
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  Speaker 1: cost you one point four million dollars. If you want
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  Speaker 1: a list from Yosemite, that's going to cost you thirty
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  Speaker 1: four thousand dollars. So that got me really upset. Over
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  Speaker 1: the next two years, I put the list together. Joe.
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  Speaker 1: The third year, you know what Yosemite did. They released
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  Speaker 1: a list of missing people from Yosemite. So I know
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  Speaker 1: I got all the people from Yosemite. I wrote about
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  Speaker 1: them in my books. They still have released a list
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  Speaker 1: from the entire system.
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  Speaker 2: So do you think they released it because you were
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  Speaker 2: pressuring them? Now, Like, you could look at it a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of different ways. I'm trying to, like look at it.
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  Speaker 2: From the skeptics perspective, you'd say, well, this is clear
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  Speaker 2: people don't want to do their jobs or lazy. They
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  Speaker 2: don't like this guy coming along and asking for information.
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  Speaker 2: But you think there's something weird going on.
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  Speaker 3: So Foy I found on their website that was sent
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  Speaker 3: to him in twenty eleven. It says that then the
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  Speaker 3: appeal was properly invoked because of exemptions seven A. And
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  Speaker 3: here's all you read that that.
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  Speaker 2: Is seven A permits the withholding of records of information
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  Speaker 2: complied or compiled rather for law enforcement purposes, but only
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  Speaker 2: to the extent that the production of such law enforcement
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  Speaker 2: records or information could reasonably be expected to interfere with
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  Speaker 2: enforcement proceedings. So they could withhold it because you could
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  Speaker 2: interfere with enforcement proceedings forty years later. That's thirty years later.
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  Speaker 2: I guess that's fucking weird. The exemption is intended to
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  Speaker 2: prevent premature disclosure of the investigate investigatory materials that might
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  Speaker 2: be used in law enforcement action forty years later.
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  Speaker 3: It says the incident is still in criminal investigations. The
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  Speaker 3: incident is still ongoing.
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  Speaker 2: Forty years later? What okay, tinfoil hat firmly placed on
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  Speaker 2: your head? What do you think is going on? So?
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  Speaker 1: First of all, missing people investigations are not criminal investigations, right,
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  Speaker 1: There's nothing criminal about disappearing. If it's a criminal investigation
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  Speaker 1: and there's criminal aspects to it, it shouldn't be a
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  Speaker 1: missing person case. It ought to be suspicious circumstances investigated
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  Speaker 1: by a criminal investigator, right, it has a classification as
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  Speaker 1: a missing person. And what they're not saying there is
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  Speaker 1: what about the other forty cases I've already gotten from
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  Speaker 1: them that are since that that are missing person cases.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So that's a little weird. But I could also
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  Speaker 2: see incompetent people that don't want to work. They don't
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  Speaker 2: want to do their job, and they're like, fuck this guy,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to do his work. I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to go Why he asked me for this information? He's
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  Speaker 2: just a kookie author. I could see that, But like,
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  Speaker 2: what do you think might be going on with these people?
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  Speaker 1: So when I was in law enforcement, I worked on
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  Speaker 1: the SWAT team and we had canines assigned to our team. Joe,
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  Speaker 1: I can't ever remember us looking for someone with a
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  Speaker 1: dog and the dog didn't find the person, right. I
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  Speaker 1: have twelve hundred to fifteen hundred cases where they bring
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  Speaker 1: a canine to find a missing person and the dog
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  Speaker 1: can't track, won't track, or turns around.