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  I have mobility for renewable fuels, very good afternoon of Bilbao at the forty
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  - seventh General Assembly of the International Road Transport Association, and nothing better than
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  this forum to talk about the importance of renewable fuels for the decarbonization of this
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  sector. They are the big hauliers that take, for example, the strawberries
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  from Huelva to Sweden, the tomatoes from Rioja to the United Kingdom, but
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  that also bring us the automotive components from Germany to the plants that we have
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  in Valencia, Vigo, Valladolid or Barcelona. It is one of the most
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  complicated sectors, practically impossible to electrify and right now it is almost entirely impossible
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  to make those routes without liquid fuels that make these trips possible and also at
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  reasonable costs. So over the next few minutes we' re going to get
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  closer to the companies that actually carry out this activity as always thanks to the
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  platform for renewable fuels and renewable immobility. The latest news from three brief highlights
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  in Repsol' s innovative launch of renewable fuels has been recognized as one of
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  the one hundred best ideas of two thousand twenty- three. This award highlights
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  the company' s commitment to sustainability and innovation in the energy sector. Repsol
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  ' s flagship product is its fuel and is 100% organic made from residues
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  of cooking oils and biomass combined with renewable hydrogen. It says two and represents
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  a significant step in reducing emissions and combating climate change. Moreover, paul Star
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  has announced the integration of renewable fuels in its shipping routes, which represent three
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  quarters of the total emissions of this electric car manufacturer will use renewable fuel for
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  approximately seven out of ten shipping routes that unite its energetic distribution center with the
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  production plants in which and the intentions of the company go by integrating renewable fuels
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  in the transport of goods from North America already in the second half of the
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  year and another porch brand will apply that same season two thousand twenty- four.
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  The use of renewable fuels in the supercap porch the traditional one by telonela
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  of the formula one that runs with the nine hundred eleven gt three cap With
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  this new fuel will be able to yield five hundred ten horsepower at the same
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  time that they are neutral in emissions of ugly two. The renewable mobility meeting
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  begins and although some of those present in this programme will then have the opportunity
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  to greet them. This afternoon we are going to talk about road transport and
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  the need for these fuels to be emissions- neutral, those renewable fuels that
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  make them possible, because those routes, as I say, across Europe,
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  we haveÁngel González with us. He is the general manager of ONTIME,
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  a logistics company specializing precisely in comprehensive logistics for largeÁngel corporations, how about
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  very good, good afternoon? And we are also accompanied by Javier Abello,
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  who is the director of strategic projects of the disna a company specialized also the
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  international transport and logistics operating throughout Europe. Javier how about very good, very
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  good? And as always with Inés Carnal, Inés Cardenal, the spokesperson of
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  the platform for renewable fuels, how very good afternoon, Hello Miguel, good
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  afternoon, so, as you decide within a forum of international road transport,
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  that better than our two guests and as I pointed out at the beginning inés
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  almost so they will not have any choice other than renewable fuels. Yes,
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  well, today the Assembly of astic a fundamental appointment to analyze the challenges that
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  they have to the transport of goods in the coming years and we have already
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  seen it in some of the programs, the long distance transport, that well,
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  will explain it greatly better Javier and Angel, but that has some needs
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  that are hardly at this moment that are satisfied with the electrification. Therefore,
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  we, from the platform, understand that renewable fuels have to be an alternative
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  that puts itself on the same level as the rest, so that each company,
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  so that each company can choose the most efficient way here the objectives that,
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  as we know, are very errant. But well, as I say
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  Ángel and Javier, they will explain much more their experiences and the challenges they
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  face, so effectively, Javier, to see you tell us a little bit
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  within that competition, that you have strategic projects in Lodisna, a company that
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  is in neither frame in Navarra, how you will face this process that has
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  counted inés and that I have told you. Well, good first of all.
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  Thank you very much for inviting us to the program. The truth that
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  we, from this vertical of strategic projects, have been working on the issue
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  of sustainability, which for us is a central issue because of our role in
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  the value chain in transport. In the end, we have a very direct
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  relationship with fossil fuels and from that prism, because we are already working on
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  different initiatives and projects that we already have started and in more and one of
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  them is precisely this one of renewable fuels. We started to refuel in our
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  HBO fleet, which is an advanced biofuel fuel as early as August last year.
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  And right now, the truth is, well, we' ve found,
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  I think a pretty interesting fit from an operational and business point of view,
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  and right now we' re in some reports about 200 thousand two hundred
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  and fifty zero liters a month of this biofuel. So, well, we
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  think that, at least in the present, of course, it is a
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  solution that can be implemented quickly, easily and with a reasonable cost or extra
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  cost. And for us, for sure, it is a solution to be
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  able to decarbonize in the short and medium term and in the long term we
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  will see with the electrofuels or those synthetic fuels to see what role they play
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  in the future. I don' t know if you want me to tell
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  you anything else, I don' t know. If Miguel doesn' t
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  listen. I think Angel if you want to tell the first ontime experiences.
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  Also in this area. Yeah, us on ontime. Well, this culture
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  of sustainability, which has been going on for many years now, is becoming
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  more widespread, because I believe that here from the beginning, because we maintained
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  it, in fact, and more than five years ago, almost six years
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  ago, we joined the ling and green programme, which, well, is
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  a system of measuring our emissions and of making a plan to reduce it.
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  With that deduction, we' re going for Lingan Green' s third star,
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  which means we' ve reduced thirty- five percent, no less our
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  deseur emissions. And we' ve done this without electricity. And we have
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  done this without waiting for the future, because I always end up saying the
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  same thing that every ton I want two kilos that today we do not imitate,
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  will no longer be in our atmosphere. And that is, there are
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  things we can do today and there is no need to wait for the magic
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  solution that I don' t know if it will come in the future,
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  because I don' t know if it will. We don' t know
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  yet. What we do know is that today there are many things we can
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  do and we can do many things. We fix it on two legs,
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  one on energy efficiency and, of course, the other on technological neutrality,
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  that is, energy efficiency, in the sense that we want to do more
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  with less. This is nothing new. I think this is for almost every
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  order of life. But the fact that we have improved the tar of our
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  vehicles, the fact that we have promoted initiatives like the Mega trailer, or
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  well, because it is making us significantly reduce our emissions, but also technological
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  neutrality, that is, we are going to employ. Today it is possible
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  to greatly improve the emissions of most of the sector simply by renewing the fleet.
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  Today, the sector' s neutrality can be greatly improved, as that
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  is the sector' s emissions, using arhbo, for example, as a
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  fuel, and that is a reality. As you said in international transport,
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  as many companies too say, think this is good. Like electricity. It
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  doesn' t hit me, it looks like it doesn' t give you
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  the obligation that you have to cut emissions and say man, this is everyone
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  ' s project. Then there are also possible things that can be done there
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  and there practically, because it is these renewable biofuels, because what we can
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  help, because this year we hope to pass, because the million liters we
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  are producing an average of ninety- two percent emissions. I want two in
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  all the vehicles where we use this fuel, and the truth is that we
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  are very happy with its use. Yeah, well, no. I think
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  this thing that Angels says is very important because it' s a little what
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  we' ve seen in previous programs. Not that what is the main advantage
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  of renewable fuels that we can begin, as Angel said, to reduce emissions.
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  We don' t have to wait to renew the entire fleet anymore.
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  Well, it would be very good to renew it for any technology. Also
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  the modern combustion engine which, as we know, a new truck is polluting
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  because it consumes far less than an old truck. That is the big problem
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  both of the truck fleet and, of course, of light vehicles. Not
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  that every time the average age is increasing, why, because it is not
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  promoting this renewal with a modern combustion engine. But it is also that,
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  asÁngel said and as Javier said, they already have experience and also,
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  some agreements with companies associated with OPE. By the way, using renewable fuels,
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  because we can start to reduce emissions from now on without waiting for all
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  this to change the park, because, moreover, they are compatible, because
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  for all the infrastructure of logistics and distribution, all the stations of service,
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  all the workshops that we have ever talked with you at some event. So
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  says Ramón Valdivia, the importance for you of the network of workshops that already
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  exist in your international routes for possible problems with the combustion engine. I do
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  not know what you can also say in this regard. Well I, from
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  my point of view and with the reports we' re having, the truth
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  is that that' s one of the points we' ve had to keep
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  a close eye on. Not really what the impact is, if there is
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  of this biofuel on the mechanics of the truck and on the maintenances. And
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  the truth is that these things are often seen more in the long term.
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  But for the moment we are going from our experience, we have not had
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  any problems that we can associate with the use of biofuels. This is our
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  experience for the moment, it is true that we must give it time and
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  as for the there is no, no impediment, none. We hit it
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  from that point of view. Yeah, well, because besides, little by
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  remembering our listeners, you were talking about HBO. Let' s not remember
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  that HBO is a biodiez in a renewable fuel for engines ten. The one
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  right now is already indistinguishable from a ten. The fossil, in its characteristics,
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  in its properties for use in an angel truck. I think that because
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  another experience also goes in the same line, in the same yes, yes,
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  we in his day of a long time ago and we tested with what
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  then well now was also called kissing And well if we had better and worse
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  results, because we are talking ten or twelve years ago. Now, besides,
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  the marks. This is the easiest thing to know if this works or
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  not is that if you have a repair and maintenance contract with the brands and
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  all the brands maintain the contract even if made, although your engine put hbo.
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  That' s the best measure, I mean, and you know it
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  doesn' t bring down the problem, because they already have it most hated.
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  Anyway, we, in fact, did our tests, too. We
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  also tested a series of vehicles carrying seventy tons, on a trailer duo,
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  on the European module system of seventy- two tons. We started by doing
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  them with a man and then we did it with a group of them.
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  And the truth is that, after having traveled many thousands of kilometers, we
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  had no impact and everything was positive. And then what I also said was
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  what you were talking about changing the park. That' s for sure.
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  When I was talking about fleet renewal, I came to say that renewal by
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  technology designs where you can use hbo or not, but only renovate the park
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  by technology tene. In fact, as you said, because the solution of
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  missions is a lot and besides, I do agree with Ramón in the sense
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  that where we use other technologies, we still do not have some detailers or
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  much less prepared to give us the level of service that our customers do not
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  ask then, today, to be able to continue using a diesel technology for
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  us is also a quantity of service. I' ve already come back here
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  with tech stuff. I haven' t been listening to that yet, and
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  I wanted to reflect on a point made by Javier at the beginning that he
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  talked about the amount of right- wings we' re using, how they
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  ' re putting it into practice and the cost overrun, and that' s
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  what I want to put it into value too. Renewable fuels will fall at
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  a safe price as soon as their use continues to spread. But right now
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  for the companies, because in the end it is a commitment to decarbonization,
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  that you are with those volumes, that you have commented the two renewable fuels,
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  Javier, so that they do not say that in the end, the
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  transport and I want to take it to the one that does not accuse in
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  any transport is the great polluter of the world. No, no, no,
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  from our site let' s also say that we strive and are taking
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  steps to make that transformation of the sector into a more sustainable transport model.
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  And that happens not only by putting money into technologies that may have a certain
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  extracost, but also by putting matter to gray to see how that can come
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  true and how to land all those technological ideas to the reality and to the
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  day- to- day operatives that we face with our customers. So,
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  indeed, because at present what is at least in the biofuels part, it
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  is the transport companies and the shippers that are bearing those costs in order to
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  make it a reality. All these consume, these consumptions and these volumes of
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  liters that we are refuelling in the fleet. From that point of view,
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  I believe that there the administrations and we will have to see how the regulations
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  that are coming after positions of the European regulations of the ETS two that will
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  come into force in two thousand twenty- seven for the new market of allowances,
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  which will affect us. It is important to see, then, what
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  role and how fit these biofuels have that we are refueling on a completely voluntary
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  basis right now, but that in the future I think they have to have
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  a role in that mix that we will have of energy in order to have
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  sustainable transport. Yes, indeed, tes Miguel, in line with what Javier
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  says, I think we have already commented on some programs as well. It
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  is essential that taxation accompany them on this path that transport companies have to decarbonize,
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  because, paradoxically, these renewable fuels that are already refuelling it disny on
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  time, pay in exactly the same taxes that, if they were fossil fuels
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  and it makes no sense, not that incentive is being given to them to
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  consume these new fuels more environmentally friendly and that help us all to achieve the
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  objectives. Or I think taxation has a clear role to play. Yeah,
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  I totally share what you' re saying. In fact, in some forum
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  we have already shared it. Not that in the end, because let'
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  s say the almost half or half of the cost of the fuel, removing
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  that return of the professional diesel, are taxed, no, and what better
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  way to try to encourage decarbonization than, well, by giving some help or
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  reducing those taxes to these biofuels that save almost even or not, almost not,
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  or that is more than ninety percent of missions. No. If you
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  don' t look like you have people, yes, I' m sorry.
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  Miguel Love doesn' t have to plan to do it. I remember
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  totally according to them. That is to say, here is an issue that
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  is obvious, which is the issue of taxation. We have to encourage this
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  kind of fuel. What happens is that, well, the administrations have fallen
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  into disgrace, but let' s measure the realities, that is, today
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  what can be done. I mean, as Javier rightly said, if in
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  the twenty- seven we have to be we still don' t know very
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  well how to measure all these things. Or we' re off to HBO.
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  Or I' m sure that from here, at twenty- seven,
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  we' re not going to have an infrastructure capable of doing good things,
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  nor are we able to renew the impossible fleets. I mean, it'
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  s impossible here. So the fuel type, HBO type, today is the
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  only thing that can allow us to continue to serve our customers. Well,
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  after all, society as it asks, because if we want to eat lettuce
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  in England, then we have to raise the dead and we have much more
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  choice. And if we want the Almusaf factory to keep working, then we
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  ' ll have to bring down the pieces from Germany and that' s all
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  there is to it. And then I this that you comment on when people
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  say that we are the great polluters of the world, for hear things,
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  what can be measured. It is not disputed that he says he hears,
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  because it is clear that we are responsible for an important part of the emissions.
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  But it is also true that, among all of us, we have
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  to remove these emissions from the transport sector. We cannot remove the transport sector.
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  We will have to remove their emissions and to remove them or work together
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  on whatever things are possible. Whatever' s possible today or we' re
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  not gonna make it. So, if in twenty- seven we don'
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  t fix the horistality and they want to charge us for the tons issued,
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  then we' re good, because simply the cost is going to have to
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  be passed, because as always I go to society and in the end we
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  ' re going to end up producing it. Well, we' ll see.
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  And Michael, in line with what might Angel not. I think what
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  we have to remind listeners is also that a truck with a combustion engine that
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  uses 100% renewable fuels is just as climate neutral as an electric truck.
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  No, therefore, because we will use all the alternatives within our reach.
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  Also remember that this should never be considered as a war between technologies, because
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  there will probably be a carrier that the electric truck will solve its needs.
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  And perfect, then, there to buy the electric road. We are as
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  a platform in favor, as Angel of technological neutrality says before. But the
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  reality is that if the truck can be just as climate neutral, then why
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  not ban it, because not let them decarbonize with this technology that we also
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  have in Europe. Of course, and take advantage of the fact that I
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  was in the Assembly a while ago, I was talking to Andamur' s
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  Counselor Delgado, who is a company that is sure that our guests know perfectly
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  well that he has service estuations, because at the border they are mega stations
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  for professionals and I asked him if they had thought about putting good renewable compusibles.
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  They are already in them, of course, with the HBO for a
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  long time and say no and notice that they manage up to nine hundred Europe
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  or associated with nine hundred service stations for transporters. He says no, because
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  there' s no such demand. There is no such demand for international transport,
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  as it says inés, for short journeys, for last mile. It
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  can be perfectly and with this that MiguelÁngel López told me, I also
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  ask you Angel you and Javier, who are all over Europe a little how
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  is the situation of this use of renewable fuels in other countries. Well,
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  we and I know that Javier with Lodigna are also there at the spearhead of
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  lectrification as well. But every thing that is worth and as Cyés comes,
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  so, anyway, we are not so far away from our delivery futbonets,
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  because we can impose them on electric to make the center of the cities.
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  Then the interregional ones, but at least those of the center of the psycho.
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  Well, fantastic. Yeah, that' s exactly, that' s
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  technological neutrality. We have to go on doing, we have to learn from
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  everything we can. But it is true that today simply for times of burden.
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  It would be impossible to think about doing the work we do internationally with
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  a vehicle, with an electric vehicle. Today would be another point, impossible
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  nothing more than waiting times. There' s an hourly tension today. We
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  have all the international transporters I was going to say, especially those we transport
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  fruit and vegetables. I don' t think that practically everyone works with the
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  same tension, with double the packers, also true, with double driver.
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  And so and now I stand here six hours to load. That' s
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  not gonna be that today It' s implantable for us. Well, then.
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  I don' t know if the day will come, where the electricity
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  will be, it' ll be green hydrogen. I don' t dare
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  guess what I' m going to do in the future, because that'
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  s why there' s a lot smarter people than I am working for.
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  What I am telling you is that for now we need an alternative and we
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  need to have that alternative fuel. Well, look, now I' m
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  leaving Javier Look what you were saying about the times of the day My grandel
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  told us that stations are ready to refuel one truck at a time, maybe
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  Blue Sola. In eight minutes, put three hours to load an electric truck.
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  Javier Luz, that' s right, I fully agree with what Angel
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  has said and let it be recorded that precisely the transporters that we are betting
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  on HBO at the same time are the ones that are actually launching also to
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  try, to try to electrify those routes that can and we are testing the
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  changers who are coming to market, that is, we are in everything.
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  And really if we bet on HBO, it' s not by whim,
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  but it' s also because actually electrification technology for the moment doesn' t
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  make it viable, at least international transport. We just have an electrical change
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  that is making so five hundred and forty kilometers a day, but do not
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  ask him to do two thousand and five hundred kilometers a day, which is
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  what our fleet normally does. So there is a simple issue of technological feasibility
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  that makes HBO or biofuels necessary, simply necessary more earlier because of the degree
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  of development of these technologies in other European countries. To me, from what
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  I know in Belgium Holland, I believe that in Italy, now also in
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  the Nordic countries, it is a technology that is quite advanced. In fact,
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  some of the fuel suppliers at source are already quite implanted in those countries
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  and are now starting to enter Spain. So let' s say that if
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  they are marking the route, it seems that the thing is going there,
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  because almost that' s what we' re going to keep with those reflections
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  that all three of you have said so right to know a little bit about
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  everything that renewable fuels offer us and also to know what the reality of these
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  companies operating all over Europe is. Javier abe y O, Director of Strategic
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  Projects of Lo Disney,Ángel González, Director General of Ontaine, Thank you
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  so much for being with us some verses from around here and until the next
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  time. Thank you enjoy coughing man like that. Thank you, I don
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  ' t know why you' re going to say that inés because of the
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  voice of the renewable fuel platform. A hug. Thank you very much,
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  a hug, doubt, Capital Radio Madrid. One hundred and three point two.
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  This you' re missing if you don' t listen to the arbiter
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  dew on the open market. Pablo Gin economist and analyst, I did from
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  two thousand twenty to two thousand twenty- two United States. I believe 25
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  percent of all the dollars that exist in the world in two years and people
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  say nothing happened. I say yes, you' ve had a 19 percent
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  inflation in that open market period with dew burning. He listens every Thursday from
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  eleven o' clock in the evening to global leaders, the interviews that Raúl
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