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How a Pilot Turned Passion for Rescue Dogs into Children's Books · Adventures in the Heart of Children's Book Authors Podcast

2:37
Hello,
2:38
I
2:38
am
2:38
Erin
2:38
Mariah
2:39
Murphy,
2:39
and
2:40
my
2:40
two
2:40
aviation
2:41
Meets
2:41
Animal
2:42
Rescue
2:42
children's
2:43
books
2:43
are
2:44
Halfway
2:44
Home
2:45
and
2:45
Daring
2:46
Dexter.
2:47
Thanks,
2:47
Aaron,
2:48
for
2:48
joining
2:48
us
2:48
today
2:49
on
2:49
the
2:49
Adventures
2:50
in
2:50
the
2:50
heart
2:50
of
2:50
Children's
2:51
book
2:51
authors.
2:51
I
2:52
really
2:52
appreciate
2:52
you
2:53
spending
2:53
some
2:54
time
2:54
with
2:54
us.
2:55
Yes.
2:55
I'm
2:55
glad
2:55
we
2:56
were
2:56
able
2:56
to
2:56
schedule
2:56
so
2:57
quickly.
2:57
I
2:57
was
2:57
anxious
2:58
to
2:58
do
2:58
the
2:58
interview
2:59
with
2:59
you.
2:59
Fantastic.
3:00
So
3:01
I
3:01
just
3:01
want
3:02
to
3:02
remind
3:02
the
3:02
audience
3:03
a
3:03
little
3:03
bit,
3:03
the
3:04
listening
3:04
audience,
3:05
that
3:05
Aaron,
3:07
spectacular
3:08
all
3:08
the
3:08
things
3:08
that
3:09
you're
3:09
doing.
3:09
Aaron's
3:10
a
3:10
commercial
3:10
pilot
3:11
and
3:12
also
3:13
volunteers
3:14
for
3:14
the
3:14
spca
3:15
and.
3:16
And
3:16
we're
3:17
and
3:17
is
3:17
involved
3:18
through
3:19
aviation
3:19
in
3:20
helping
3:21
animal
3:21
adoption.
3:22
We'll
3:22
get
3:22
into
3:23
talking
3:23
about
3:23
that.
3:24
And
3:24
on
3:24
top
3:25
of
3:25
that,
3:25
she's
3:26
a
3:26
children's
3:26
book
3:27
author.
3:27
Aaron,
3:28
I.
3:28
I'd
3:28
love
3:28
to
3:28
talk
3:29
to
3:29
you
3:29
about
3:30
the
3:30
inspiration
3:31
behind
3:31
your
3:31
books
3:33
and
3:34
the
3:34
origin
3:35
story.
3:35
Tell
3:36
us
3:36
a
3:36
little
3:36
bit
3:36
about
3:36
the
3:37
inspiration
3:37
behind
3:38
your
3:38
first
3:39
book,
3:39
Halfway
3:40
Home.
3:41
Yes,
3:41
the
3:41
first
3:41
book,
3:42
Halfway
3:42
Home,
3:42
features
3:43
my
3:43
rescue
3:44
dog,
3:44
Z.
3:45
I
3:45
began
3:46
volunteering
3:46
at
3:47
my
3:47
local
3:47
SSBCA
3:48
in
3:49
about
3:49
2000,
3:50
and
3:51
I
3:51
volunteered
3:52
there
3:52
for
3:53
several
3:53
years
3:53
before
3:54
we
3:54
adopted.
3:55
My
3:55
husband
3:56
is
3:56
also
3:56
an
3:56
airline
3:57
pilot.
3:57
I
3:57
fly
3:58
for
3:58
United
3:58
Airlines
3:59
out
3:59
of
3:59
Newark,
3:59
New
3:59
Jersey.
4:00
My
4:00
husband
4:00
flies
4:01
for
4:01
American
4:01
Airlines
4:02
out
4:02
of
4:02
one
4:02
year
4:03
junior
4:03
on
4:03
the
4:03
totem
4:04
pole,
4:04
you
4:04
don't
4:05
have
4:05
the
4:05
best
4:05
flying
4:06
schedule.
4:06
For
4:07
me,
4:07
my
4:07
experience,
4:08
it
4:08
took
4:08
a
4:08
good
4:09
decade
4:09
to
4:09
be
4:10
able
4:10
to
4:10
have
4:10
more
4:11
of
4:11
a
4:11
stabilized
4:12
schedule,
4:13
and
4:13
then
4:14
I
4:14
moved
4:14
up
4:15
in
4:15
status
4:15
level
4:16
as
4:16
a
4:16
volunteer.
4:17
So
4:17
I
4:17
was
4:17
invited
4:17
to
4:18
take
4:18
animals
4:18
home
4:18
for
4:19
a
4:19
night.
4:19
And
4:19
you're
4:20
given
4:20
a
4:20
questionnaire
4:21
and
4:21
you
4:22
gather
4:22
more
4:22
information
4:22
about
4:23
these
4:23
animals
4:23
so
4:24
the
4:24
SBCA
4:25
can
4:25
use
4:25
that
4:25
to
4:25
match
4:26
them
4:26
up
4:26
with
4:26
the
4:26
right
4:26
family.
4:27
As
4:27
soon
4:28
as
4:28
I
4:28
started
4:28
to
4:28
do
4:28
that,
4:29
I
4:29
brought
4:30
home
4:30
Zeke.
4:31
At
4:31
the
4:31
time,
4:31
he
4:31
was
4:32
Homer.
4:33
He
4:33
wasn't
4:33
in
4:33
our
4:33
house
4:34
more
4:34
than
4:34
10
4:34
minutes.
4:35
My
4:35
husband
4:35
said,
4:35
I
4:36
know
4:36
this
4:36
is
4:36
nuts,
4:36
but
4:37
I
4:37
think
4:37
we
4:37
should
4:37
keep
4:37
him.
4:38
So
4:38
fast
4:39
forward
4:39
to
4:39
us
4:39
adopting
4:40
him
4:41
and
4:41
then
4:42
really
4:42
fast
4:42
forward
4:43
to
4:43
our
4:44
very
4:44
uncomfortable
4:45
pandemic
4:45
days.
4:46
I
4:46
was
4:46
grounded.
4:47
I
4:47
wasn't
4:47
flying.
4:48
So
4:48
during
4:48
that
4:49
time,
4:49
I
4:49
had
4:50
always
4:50
done,
4:51
as
4:51
a
4:51
family,
4:52
a
4:52
lot
4:52
of
4:52
hiking
4:53
with
4:53
our
4:54
dogs.
4:54
And
4:55
I
4:55
was
4:55
really
4:56
doing
4:56
it
4:56
during
4:56
that
4:57
time
4:57
when
4:57
I
4:57
wasn't
4:58
flying.
4:58
I
4:59
can't
4:59
really
4:59
tell
4:59
you
5:00
why,
5:00
but
5:00
I
5:00
started
5:00
to
5:00
just
5:01
think
5:01
about
5:01
his
5:01
story
5:02
and
5:02
I
5:03
started
5:03
to
5:03
take
5:03
writing
5:04
courses
5:05
during
5:05
my
5:05
time
5:06
that
5:06
I
5:06
was
5:06
brown
5:06
in.
5:06
And
5:07
that
5:07
was
5:07
the
5:07
very
5:07
beginning
5:08
for
5:08
me,
5:08
and
5:09
I
5:09
didn't
5:09
know
5:09
where
5:09
I
5:09
wanted
5:09
it
5:10
to
5:10
go.
5:10
Writing
5:11
courses,
5:11
were
5:11
those
5:12
writing
5:12
courses
5:13
in
5:13
general
5:14
or
5:14
was
5:14
it
5:15
specific
5:15
to
5:15
children's
5:16
book
5:16
writing?
5:17
Tell
5:17
us
5:17
a
5:17
little
5:17
bit
5:18
about
5:18
that
5:18
sure.
5:19
It
5:19
was
5:19
specific
5:20
to
5:20
children's
5:20
book
5:21
writing.
5:21
My
5:21
dog
5:22
Zeke
5:22
has
5:22
a
5:23
face
5:23
that
5:23
I
5:23
described
5:24
that
5:24
only
5:24
a
5:24
mother
5:24
can
5:25
love.
5:25
He
5:25
has
5:25
a
5:25
very
5:26
bold
5:26
underbite.
5:27
And
5:27
I
5:27
just
5:27
really
5:28
him
5:29
as
5:29
being
5:29
like
5:29
a
5:29
really
5:30
great
5:30
children's
5:30
book
5:31
character.
5:32
And
5:32
then
5:32
he
5:32
was
5:32
a
5:33
really
5:33
nervous
5:33
and
5:33
anxious
5:34
guy
5:34
and
5:34
I
5:34
thought
5:34
that
5:35
could
5:35
be
5:35
tied
5:36
into
5:36
his
5:36
story
5:36
that
5:36
may
5:37
be
5:37
able
5:37
to
5:37
help
5:37
children
5:38
and
5:38
young
5:38
people
5:39
coming
5:39
of
5:39
age
5:39
that
5:39
kind
5:40
of
5:40
struggle
5:40
with
5:40
those
5:40
things.
5:41
So
5:42
it
5:42
was.
5:42
It
5:43
was.
5:43
The
5:43
company
5:43
that
5:43
I
5:44
studied
5:44
with
5:44
was
5:44
called
5:45
Journey
5:45
to
5:45
Kidlit.
5:46
And
5:47
I
5:47
did
5:47
go
5:48
on
5:48
traditional
5:49
submissions.
5:50
And
5:50
I'm
5:50
green.
5:51
I
5:51
don't
5:51
know
5:51
anything
5:51
about
5:52
publishing.
5:52
And
5:53
I
5:53
equate
5:53
it
5:53
to
5:54
the
5:54
getting
5:55
higher
5:55
down
5:56
in
5:56
a
5:56
major
5:56
airline.
5:57
It's
5:57
like
5:58
a
5:58
decade,
5:58
in
5:59
my
5:59
opinion.
5:59
There
6:00
are
6:00
some
6:00
people
6:00
who
6:00
really
6:00
hit
6:01
it
6:01
out
6:01
of
6:01
the
6:01
park
6:02
and
6:02
there
6:02
are
6:02
a
6:02
couple
6:02
pilots
6:03
that
6:03
do
6:03
that
6:03
too.
6:03
And
6:04
I
6:04
always
6:04
advise
6:04
people
6:05
to,
6:05
when
6:05
I
6:05
say
6:06
that,
6:06
think
6:06
about
6:07
the
6:07
image
6:08
of
6:08
the
6:08
author
6:09
on
6:09
the
6:09
back
6:09
of
6:09
most
6:10
of
6:10
your
6:10
books.
6:11
Do
6:11
they
6:11
look
6:11
like.
6:12
Do
6:12
they
6:12
look
6:12
young?
6:13
No.
6:13
Right.
6:13
They
6:13
look
6:14
seasoned.
6:14
Reality
6:15
set
6:15
in.
6:15
I
6:16
booked
6:16
into
6:16
hybrid
6:17
publishing.
6:18
The
6:18
neat
6:18
thing
6:18
about
6:19
what
6:19
you
6:20
just
6:20
said
6:21
is
6:21
I
6:22
co
6:22
authored
6:22
our
6:23
book
6:23
called
6:23
the
6:24
Adventures
6:24
of
6:24
Caboose
6:25
the
6:25
Rocky
6:25
Mountain
6:25
Bear
6:26
with
6:26
my
6:26
granddaughter.
6:27
Oh,
6:28
that's
6:28
right.
6:28
So
6:29
I
6:29
actually
6:29
got
6:30
to
6:30
put
6:30
a
6:30
younger
6:31
face
6:31
on
6:32
the
6:32
book.
6:32
It's
6:33
like
6:33
grammar.
6:33
There's
6:33
an
6:34
exception
6:34
to
6:34
every
6:34
rule,
6:35
right?
6:35
Absolutely.
6:36
She
6:37
keeps
6:37
me
6:37
young
6:37
at
6:37
heart.
6:38
So
6:39
you
6:39
got
6:40
yourself
6:40
involved.
6:41
You
6:41
took
6:41
some
6:41
writing
6:42
lessons.
6:42
It
6:42
started
6:43
percolating
6:44
in
6:44
your
6:44
mind.
6:45
You
6:45
were
6:46
out
6:46
with
6:46
Zeke
6:46
and
6:47
tell
6:47
us
6:47
how
6:47
that
6:48
all.
6:49
Did
6:49
you
6:49
have
6:49
a
6:50
eureka
6:50
moment
6:51
or
6:51
did
6:51
it
6:51
just
6:52
evolve
6:52
into
6:53
a
6:53
children's
6:54
book?
6:54
The
6:55
actual
6:55
idea
6:55
of
6:56
writing
6:56
a
6:56
book
6:56
was
6:57
a
6:57
eureka
6:57
moment.
6:57
I
6:58
felt
6:58
like
6:58
I
6:59
just
6:59
pulled
6:59
it
6:59
out
6:59
of
6:59
left
7:00
field
7:00
and
7:00
I
7:01
did.
7:01
However,
7:02
the
7:02
evolution
7:03
of
7:03
it
7:03
was
7:04
like
7:04
a
7:04
lot
7:05
of
7:05
children's
7:05
book
7:06
authors,
7:06
I
7:07
was
7:08
attracted
7:08
to
7:08
the
7:08
playful
7:09
language.
7:09
And
7:10
this
7:10
might
7:10
have
7:10
been
7:10
like
7:10
a
7:11
coping
7:11
mechanism
7:11
for
7:12
what
7:12
we
7:12
were
7:12
all
7:12
going
7:13
through
7:13
at
7:13
that
7:13
time.
7:13
Like,
7:14
I
7:14
wanted
7:14
something
7:14
light
7:15
and
7:15
playful,
7:15
so
7:16
I
7:16
went
7:17
with
7:17
a
7:17
rhyme.
7:17
I
7:18
had
7:18
a
7:18
rhyme
7:18
story.
7:19
And
7:19
so
7:20
when
7:20
I
7:20
first
7:20
started
7:21
to
7:21
do
7:21
my
7:21
one
7:22
on
7:22
one
7:22
critiques,
7:23
the
7:23
two
7:23
things
7:24
pivotal
7:25
came
7:25
from
7:25
my
7:26
critiques,
7:26
which
7:27
if
7:27
you
7:27
haven't
7:28
done
7:28
them
7:28
before,
7:29
they're.
7:30
Especially
7:31
someone
7:31
who's
7:31
green.
7:32
It's
7:32
a
7:32
little
7:33
sensitive
7:33
of
7:33
an
7:34
experience
7:34
because
7:34
you're
7:35
exposing
7:35
this
7:36
idea.
7:36
You
7:36
have
7:36
no
7:36
idea
7:37
if
7:37
it's
7:37
how
7:37
it's
7:37
going
7:37
to
7:38
be
7:38
received.
7:38
And
7:39
then
7:39
you
7:39
have
7:39
all
7:40
that
7:40
inhibition
7:41
and
7:41
then
7:41
someone's
7:42
telling
7:42
you
7:42
something's
7:43
wrong
7:43
with
7:43
it.
7:43
So
7:43
you
7:44
have
7:44
to
7:44
just
7:44
be
7:44
able
7:45
to
7:45
be
7:45
open
7:45
to
7:46
that.
7:46
I
7:47
did
7:47
open
7:47
up
7:47
to
7:47
that.
7:48
And
7:48
my
7:48
experience
7:49
was
7:49
the
7:50
two
7:50
main
7:50
takeaways
7:51
were.
7:51
She
7:52
said,
7:52
jimmy,
7:52
why
7:52
did
7:53
you
7:53
write
7:53
it
7:53
in
7:53
rhyme?
7:54
And
7:54
I
7:54
just
7:54
said,
7:54
I
7:55
don't
7:55
know.
7:55
I
7:55
just
7:55
thought
7:55
most
7:56
children's
7:56
books
7:57
are
7:57
in
7:57
rhyme
7:57
and
7:57
they're
7:58
playful.
7:58
And
7:59
she
7:59
said,
7:59
okay,
7:59
if
7:59
you
8:00
want
8:00
to
8:00
go
8:00
this
8:00
avenue,
8:01
you
8:01
can,
8:02
but
8:02
the
8:03
pitfall
8:03
is
8:04
in
8:04
your
8:04
head.
8:05
You
8:06
will
8:06
force
8:07
it.
8:07
You
8:07
will
8:08
force
8:09
the
8:09
number
8:09
of
8:10
beats
8:10
and
8:10
syllables
8:11
to
8:12
make
8:12
it
8:12
happen
8:12
for
8:12
your
8:13
story.
8:14
If
8:14
you
8:14
want
8:15
to
8:15
learn
8:15
the
8:15
skill
8:16
set,
8:16
it's
8:16
very
8:17
much
8:17
like
8:17
being
8:17
a
8:18
musician
8:19
who
8:19
develops
8:19
a
8:19
harmony
8:20
and
8:20
a
8:20
melody,
8:20
and
8:20
there
8:21
are
8:21
actual
8:21
rules
8:21
around
8:22
it.
8:22
And
8:23
I
8:23
was
8:23
like,
8:23
okay.
8:24
And
8:24
I
8:24
felt
8:25
intimidated.
8:25
She
8:25
goes,
8:25
my
8:26
suggestion
8:26
would
8:26
be
8:27
go
8:27
rewrite
8:27
the
8:27
whole
8:27
thing
8:28
into
8:28
dialogue.
8:29
Now,
8:29
that
8:30
was
8:30
the
8:30
first
8:30
major
8:30
rewrite
8:31
I
8:31
did.
8:31
And
8:32
I
8:32
thought
8:32
I
8:32
was,
8:32
like,
8:33
aghast.
8:33
Like,
8:34
what?
8:34
Rewrite
8:34
it?
8:36
That
8:36
I
8:36
was
8:36
going
8:36
to
8:36
rewrite
8:37
the
8:37
whole.
8:37
I
8:37
rewrote
8:38
the
8:38
whole
8:38
thing
8:38
probably
8:39
like
8:39
four
8:39
times
8:40
halfway
8:40
home.
8:40
And
8:41
then
8:41
the
8:41
second
8:41
part
8:41
of
8:41
the
8:42
critique
8:42
that
8:42
she
8:43
did
8:44
with
8:44
me,
8:44
she
8:44
criticized
8:45
me
8:46
on,
8:47
and
8:47
not
8:47
in
8:48
a
8:48
bad
8:48
way.
8:48
I
8:48
received
8:49
it.
8:49
She
8:50
said,
8:50
so
8:51
I
8:51
just
8:51
want
8:51
you
8:51
to
8:52
invite
8:52
this
8:52
thought
8:53
in.
8:53
If
8:53
you
8:54
are
8:54
someone
8:54
who
8:54
likes
8:55
animals
8:56
and
8:56
animal
8:57
rescue
8:57
and
8:57
adoption
8:57
in
8:58
particular,
8:59
what
8:59
makes
8:59
your
8:59
book
9:00
stand
9:00
out?
9:00
Because
9:00
right
9:01
now,
9:01
there's
9:01
nothing
9:01
wrong
9:01
with
9:02
it.
9:02
It's
9:02
fine.
9:02
It's
9:03
cute.
9:03
Zeke
9:04
is
9:04
a
9:04
adorable
9:05
character,
9:05
and
9:06
I
9:06
could
9:06
see
9:06
him
9:06
going
9:06
to
9:07
illustration
9:07
in
9:07
a
9:07
fun
9:08
way.
9:08
And
9:09
at
9:09
this
9:09
point,
9:10
I
9:10
had
9:10
nothing
9:10
to
9:11
do
9:11
with
9:11
aviation
9:11
in
9:12
the
9:12
book.
9:12
It
9:12
was
9:12
just
9:13
Zeke.
9:14
And
9:14
I
9:15
was
9:15
not
9:15
volunteering
9:15
in
9:16
that
9:16
capacity.
9:16
So
9:17
I
9:17
knew
9:17
a
9:17
little
9:18
bit
9:18
about
9:19
animal
9:19
air
9:19
rescue.
9:20
So
9:20
the
9:20
way
9:21
she
9:21
posed
9:21
it
9:21
to
9:21
me
9:22
was
9:22
this.
9:23
She
9:24
said,
9:24
if
9:24
I'm
9:24
a
9:24
person
9:25
who
9:25
likes
9:25
animal
9:26
books,
9:26
and
9:27
specifically
9:27
dog
9:28
rescue
9:28
in
9:28
this
9:28
case,
9:29
and
9:29
I
9:29
have
9:30
five
9:30
books
9:30
on
9:30
my
9:30
shelf
9:31
about
9:31
animal
9:31
rescue,
9:32
why
9:33
am
9:33
I
9:33
going
9:33
to
9:33
buy
9:33
yours?
9:34
Why
9:34
am
9:34
I
9:34
going
9:34
to
9:34
buy
9:35
a
9:35
sixth
9:35
one?
9:35
Or
9:36
am
9:36
I
9:36
going
9:36
to
9:36
pick
9:36
it
9:36
up
9:36
and
9:36
say,
9:37
oh,
9:37
this
9:37
is
9:37
really
9:37
cute,
9:38
But,
9:38
I
9:38
mean,
9:38
I
9:38
already
9:39
have
9:39
it.
9:40
And
9:40
I
9:40
mean,
9:40
that
9:41
real.
9:41
I
9:41
received
9:42
that.
9:42
I
9:42
was
9:42
like,
9:42
okay.
9:43
So
9:43
then
9:43
I
9:44
started
9:44
to
9:44
think
9:44
about
9:44
the
9:44
animal
9:45
transports
9:46
that
9:46
I
9:46
loosely
9:47
heard
9:47
about
9:47
throughout
9:48
my
9:48
career.
9:49
Next
9:49
thing
9:49
I
9:49
knew,
9:49
I
9:49
was
9:49
on
9:50
the
9:50
phone
9:50
with
9:50
the
9:50
manager
9:50
at
9:51
the
9:51
sbca.
9:52
I
9:52
loosely
9:52
heard
9:53
about
9:53
animal
9:53
transports.
9:54
They're
9:55
clueless
9:56
on
9:56
how
9:57
the
9:57
magnitude
9:58
of
9:58
which
9:58
they
9:58
operate.
9:59
I
10:00
began
10:00
volunteering,
10:01
and
10:01
once
10:02
I
10:02
did
10:02
my
10:02
very
10:03
first
10:03
animal
10:04
rescue
10:04
flight,
10:05
not
10:05
as
10:06
a
10:06
pilot.
10:06
I'm
10:06
just
10:06
on
10:06
the
10:07
ground
10:07
receiving
10:07
the
10:07
animals
10:08
off
10:08
the
10:08
aircraft,
10:09
getting
10:09
them
10:09
set
10:09
on
10:10
the
10:10
shelter
10:11
for
10:11
check
10:11
in
10:12
and
10:12
then
10:12
ready
10:12
for
10:12
adoption.
10:13
I
10:13
knew
10:14
nothing
10:14
about
10:14
it,
10:14
really.
10:15
I
10:15
just,
10:15
like
10:15
I
10:15
said,
10:16
I
10:16
just
10:16
knew
10:16
a
10:16
little
10:17
bit
10:17
of
10:17
hear.
10:18
Say,
10:19
was
10:19
that
10:20
the
10:20
trigger
10:20
for
10:20
the
10:21
aha
10:21
moment
10:22
or
10:22
when
10:22
did
10:23
that
10:23
come?
10:23
That
10:24
was
10:24
it.
10:24
Literally,
10:25
when
10:25
I
10:25
left
10:25
after
10:26
volunteering
10:26
for
10:26
my
10:27
first
10:27
animal
10:27
rescue
10:28
flight,
10:28
I
10:28
honestly,
10:29
my
10:29
thought
10:30
was,
10:30
what
10:31
was
10:31
that?
10:31
Literally,
10:32
as
10:32
I
10:32
shut
10:32
the
10:32
car
10:33
door,
10:33
I
10:34
thought,
10:34
this
10:34
is
10:34
incredible.
10:35
I
10:35
just
10:35
saw
10:36
200
10:37
dogs
10:37
and
10:37
cats
10:38
unloaded
10:38
off
10:39
of
10:39
an
10:39
aircraft
10:40
way
10:40
larger
10:40
than
10:41
I
10:41
was
10:41
anticipating.
10:42
And
10:43
just
10:43
on
10:43
such
10:43
a
10:43
grandiose
10:44
scale.
10:44
And
10:45
on
10:45
the
10:45
way
10:45
home,
10:45
I
10:46
thought,
10:46
I
10:46
have
10:46
to
10:46
rewrite
10:47
Halfway
10:47
Home
10:47
again.
10:48
It's
10:48
interesting
10:49
you
10:49
should
10:49
say
10:49
that
10:50
because
10:50
my
10:50
wife
10:50
and
10:50
I
10:51
watch
10:51
on
10:52
CBS
10:52
Sunday,
10:53
it's
10:53
called
10:53
Sunday
10:53
Morning.
10:54
I
10:54
don't
10:54
know
10:54
if
10:54
you'd
10:54
ever
10:55
watch
10:55
that
10:55
show.
10:56
And
10:56
they
10:56
actually
10:56
had.
10:57
I
10:57
don't,
10:57
I
10:57
can't
10:58
remember
10:58
because
10:58
it's
10:59
probably
10:59
a
10:59
couple
10:59
of
10:59
years
11:00
now,
11:00
but
11:00
they
11:00
had
11:01
a
11:01
story
11:01
on
11:01
a
11:01
pilot
11:02
who
11:02
was
11:02
doing
11:03
that.
11:03
And
11:03
my
11:04
wife
11:04
and
11:04
I
11:04
thought,
11:05
wow,
11:05
this
11:06
is
11:06
incredible.
11:06
I
11:07
just
11:07
think
11:07
it's
11:07
such
11:07
a
11:08
less
11:08
popular
11:09
side
11:09
of
11:10
aviation
11:10
and
11:11
animal
11:11
rescue.
11:12
It
11:12
gets
11:12
glossed
11:13
over,
11:13
or
11:13
at
11:14
least
11:14
it
11:14
has
11:14
for
11:14
me.
11:15
I
11:15
mean,
11:15
I
11:15
started.
11:16
I
11:16
grew
11:16
up
11:16
in
11:16
Scranton,
11:17
Pennsylvania,
11:17
and
11:17
I've
11:18
been
11:18
flying
11:18
since
11:18
I
11:18
was
11:19
14
11:19
years
11:19
old.
11:20
Even
11:20
me,
11:20
I
11:21
had
11:21
no
11:21
idea.
11:21
And
11:22
so
11:22
when
11:22
I
11:22
go
11:22
on
11:22
trips
11:23
at
11:23
United,
11:23
say
11:24
we're
11:24
doing
11:24
a
11:24
long
11:24
haul
11:25
trip
11:25
all
11:25
the
11:26
way
11:26
across
11:26
the
11:26
Atlantic
11:27
to
11:27
somewhere
11:28
in
11:28
the
11:28
Far
11:28
east,
11:29
and
11:29
we
11:30
chat
11:30
and
11:30
all
11:30
this,
11:31
I
11:31
tell
11:31
them
11:31
about
11:31
my
11:32
books
11:32
and
11:32
I
11:32
tell
11:32
them
11:32
about
11:32
the
11:32
animal
11:33
air
11:33
rescue.
11:34
Nobody
11:34
has
11:35
any
11:35
idea
11:35
this
11:35
is
11:35
happening,
11:36
but
11:36
it
11:36
is
11:37
happening
11:37
at
11:37
a
11:37
really
11:38
pretty
11:38
grand
11:38
scale.
11:39
I
11:39
rewrote
11:40
Halfway
11:40
Home
11:41
and
11:41
so
11:41
that
11:42
the
11:42
role
11:42
that
11:43
aviation
11:43
has
11:43
in
11:44
animal
11:44
adoptions
11:44
is
11:45
the
11:45
secondary
11:45
portion
11:46
of
11:46
the
11:46
story.
11:47
The
11:47
dog
11:47
Zeke,
11:47
struggling
11:48
to
11:48
get
11:48
adopted
11:49
is
11:49
the
11:49
primary
11:49
story.
11:50
And
11:51
then
11:51
when
11:51
I
11:51
burned
11:52
my
11:52
second
11:52
book,
11:53
Daring
11:53
Dexter,
11:54
it's
11:55
more
11:55
pronounced
11:55
in
11:56
there.
11:56
And
11:56
then
11:56
I
11:56
also
11:57
sought
11:57
copyright
11:58
approval
11:58
from
11:59
three
11:59
of
12:00
the
12:00
larger
12:01
air
12:01
animal
12:02
air
12:02
rescues
12:02
in
12:02
the
12:02
United
12:03
States
12:03
to
12:04
use
12:04
their
12:04
logo
12:05
and
12:05
their
12:05
exact
12:06
aircraft
12:06
with
12:06
their
12:06
logo
12:07
in
12:07
the
12:07
book.
12:08
Wow.
12:09
Was
12:09
just
12:10
my
12:10
jumping
12:10
point.
12:10
And
12:11
then
12:11
Daring
12:11
Dexter
12:12
is
12:12
a
12:12
little
12:13
bit
12:13
more
12:14
factual
12:14
because
12:14
I
12:15
gained
12:15
knowledge
12:16
that
12:16
I
12:16
wanted
12:16
to
12:16
share.
12:17
And
12:17
you
12:18
know
12:18
what?
12:18
I
12:18
love
12:18
that.
12:19
Again,
12:20
for
12:20
people
12:21
aspiring
12:23
authors
12:23
who
12:24
are
12:24
listening
12:24
in,
12:24
it's
12:25
incredible.
12:25
You're
12:26
the
12:26
first
12:26
children's
12:27
book
12:27
author
12:28
that
12:28
I've
12:29
interviewed
12:29
that
12:30
has
12:30
two
12:30
books.
12:31
Every
12:31
children's
12:32
book
12:32
author
12:32
I've
12:32
interviewed
12:33
so
12:33
far
12:34
has
12:34
one
12:35
book
12:35
and
12:35
they
12:35
have
12:35
a
12:36
second
12:36
book
12:37
coming
12:37
out
12:38
soon.
12:38
It's
12:38
neat
12:39
to
12:39
have
12:40
you
12:40
on
12:40
the
12:40
show
12:41
and
12:41
talk
12:41
about.
12:42
Here's
12:42
how
12:43
I
12:43
started
12:43
my
12:44
first
12:44
book
12:44
and
12:45
this
12:45
is
12:45
what
12:45
happened
12:46
with
12:46
my
12:47
second
12:47
book.
12:47
Just
12:48
how
12:48
it
12:48
evolved
12:49
for
12:49
you.
12:49
Yeah,
12:49
I
12:49
would
12:50
agree
12:50
with
12:50
that.
12:50
It
12:50
definitely
12:51
has
12:51
evolved.
12:52
And
12:52
then
12:52
I.
12:53
My
12:53
first
12:53
edition
12:54
books,
12:54
I
12:54
felt.
12:55
I
12:55
just
12:55
felt
12:56
excited.
12:56
So
12:57
excited
12:57
that
12:57
an
12:57
actual
12:58
book
12:58
came
12:58
to
12:58
fruition.
12:59
I
12:59
did
13:00
continue
13:00
doing
13:01
educational
13:02
courses
13:02
after
13:03
that.
13:03
I
13:03
have
13:03
done
13:04
some
13:04
workshop
13:05
educational
13:05
stuff
13:05
with
13:06
Gotham
13:06
writers.
13:07
They're
13:07
based
13:07
in
13:07
New
13:07
York
13:08
City.
13:08
Okay.
13:09
They
13:09
have
13:09
really
13:09
affordable,
13:11
you
13:11
know,
13:11
depending
13:12
on
13:12
your
13:12
budget,
13:12
but
13:12
within
13:13
a
13:13
couple
13:13
hundred
13:13
dollars
13:14
of
13:14
workshops
13:14
where
13:15
you
13:15
can
13:15
learn
13:15
and
13:15
branch
13:16
off.
13:16
And
13:17
they
13:17
also
13:17
have
13:17
great
13:17
critique
13:18
services
13:19
too,
13:19
if
13:19
someone
13:19
is
13:20
listening
13:20
and
13:20
looking
13:21
for
13:21
that.
13:21
I
13:22
was
13:22
always
13:22
taken
13:23
back
13:23
on
13:23
the
13:23
cost
13:24
of
13:24
those
13:25
things.
13:25
However,
13:26
I
13:26
don't
13:26
regret
13:27
it.
13:27
I
13:27
think
13:27
having
13:28
a
13:28
really
13:28
great
13:28
editor
13:29
and
13:29
someone
13:29
to
13:30
help
13:30
you
13:30
step
13:30
outside
13:31
yourself.
13:31
Like
13:32
that
13:32
very
13:32
first
13:32
critique
13:33
I
13:33
got
13:33
me,
13:34
not
13:34
only
13:35
got
13:35
me
13:35
to
13:35
write
13:36
about
13:36
aviation
13:37
in
13:37
my
13:37
books,
13:37
but
13:38
it
13:38
got
13:38
me
13:38
to
13:39
volunteer
13:40
in
13:40
Animal
13:41
Air
13:41
Rescue.
13:42
Right.
13:42
Just
13:43
insert
13:43
myself.
13:44
And
13:44
it
13:44
has
13:44
blossomed
13:45
in
13:45
my
13:46
life.
13:46
And
13:46
so
13:47
many
13:47
avenues
13:48
be
13:48
open
13:48
to
13:48
a
13:49
critique.
13:49
Absolutely.
13:50
And
13:50
that's
13:51
the
13:51
neat
13:51
thing
13:51
about
13:52
it
13:52
is,
13:53
as
13:53
you've
13:53
mentioned,
13:54
how
13:54
it
13:55
expands.
13:55
Where
13:56
you
13:56
started
13:56
your
13:57
first
13:57
book.
13:57
You
13:58
didn't
13:58
even
13:58
have
13:58
aviation
13:59
as
13:59
a
14:00
thought.
14:00
And
14:01
then
14:01
all
14:01
of
14:02
a
14:02
sudden
14:02
with
14:03
somebody
14:03
making
14:04
some
14:05
suggestions.
14:06
I
14:06
like
14:06
to
14:06
call
14:07
them
14:07
suggestions
14:07
versus
14:08
critique.
14:09
Critique
14:10
always
14:10
sounds
14:10
so
14:11
negative.
14:11
People
14:11
have
14:12
a
14:12
lot
14:12
of
14:12
nice
14:12
suggestions
14:13
that
14:14
kind
14:14
of
14:14
motivate
14:14
you.
14:15
Right.
14:15
And
14:15
that's
14:15
what
14:15
happens
14:16
in
14:16
your
14:16
case.
14:17
Yes.
14:18
So
14:18
just
14:19
tell
14:19
us
14:19
a
14:19
little
14:20
bit
14:20
more
14:20
about
14:21
your
14:21
from
14:22
your
14:22
first
14:22
book
14:23
to
14:23
your
14:23
second
14:23
book.
14:24
What
14:24
was
14:25
the
14:25
biggest
14:26
single
14:26
difference
14:27
in
14:27
the
14:27
development
14:28
of
14:28
the
14:28
second
14:29
book?
14:29
The
14:30
second
14:30
book
14:31
felt
14:31
more
14:31
comfortable
14:32
because
14:32
I
14:32
used
14:32
the
14:32
same
14:33
illustrator
14:33
in
14:34
the
14:34
same
14:34
hybrid
14:34
publishing
14:35
house.
14:35
So
14:36
I
14:36
knew
14:37
them
14:37
and
14:37
they
14:38
knew
14:38
me
14:38
and
14:39
that
14:39
felt
14:39
good
14:40
and.
14:40
Right.
14:41
So
14:41
I
14:41
was
14:41
comfortable
14:42
with
14:42
that.
14:42
The
14:43
challenge
14:44
that
14:44
I
14:44
started
14:45
to
14:45
come
14:45
across
14:46
with
14:46
the
14:46
second
14:47
book
14:47
is,
14:48
I
14:48
guess
14:48
the
14:49
best
14:49
way
14:49
to
14:49
say
14:49
it
14:49
is
14:49
just
14:50
to
14:50
be
14:50
really
14:50
honest.
14:51
I
14:51
felt
14:51
like
14:51
I
14:51
got
14:52
better
14:52
as
14:52
a
14:52
writer
14:53
and
14:53
I
14:54
wanted
14:54
to
14:54
change
14:55
things
14:55
in
14:55
my
14:55
first
14:56
book.
14:56
So
14:56
there
14:57
is
14:57
another
14:57
evolution.
14:58
I
14:58
just.
14:58
I
14:58
could
14:59
critique
14:59
or
15:00
give
15:00
notes
15:01
or
15:01
suggestions
15:01
to
15:02
myself
15:02
on
15:02
my
15:03
first
15:03
book.
15:03
And
15:04
that
15:04
started
15:04
to
15:04
really
15:05
gnaw
15:05
at
15:05
my
15:06
craw
15:06
a
15:06
little
15:07
bit.
15:07
I
15:07
don't
15:08
know,
15:08
like
15:08
you.
15:08
You
15:09
hear
15:09
something.
15:10
So
15:10
an
15:10
honest
15:11
note,
15:11
we'll
15:12
say
15:12
instead
15:12
of
15:12
critique.
15:13
Someone
15:13
told
15:13
me
15:13
about
15:14
Halfway
15:14
Home,
15:15
which
15:15
I
15:15
did
15:16
receive,
15:16
and
15:16
I
15:16
was
15:17
a
15:17
little
15:17
frustrated
15:17
when
15:18
I
15:18
first
15:18
heard
15:18
it
15:18
because,
15:19
you
15:19
know,
15:20
being
15:20
a
15:20
pilot,
15:20
I
15:21
tend
15:21
to
15:21
have
15:21
a
15:21
really
15:21
pragmatic
15:22
mind
15:23
and
15:23
so
15:24
my
15:24
books
15:24
I
15:25
like.
15:25
I
15:25
could
15:25
never
15:25
write
15:25
a
15:26
magical
15:26
book.
15:26
I
15:27
mean,
15:27
I
15:27
little
15:28
short
15:28
stories
15:28
that
15:28
are
15:29
magical,
15:29
that
15:29
are
15:29
just
15:29
for
15:30
me,
15:30
but
15:30
I
15:30
mean,
15:30
they
15:31
stink.
15:31
But
15:31
it's
15:31
just
15:32
for
15:32
fun.
15:32
If
15:32
I'm
15:32
on
15:33
a
15:33
layover,
15:33
I'll
15:33
just
15:33
write
15:33
a
15:34
silly
15:34
story.
15:34
That's
15:34
what
15:35
I'm
15:35
trying
15:35
to
15:35
share
15:35
with
15:36
the
15:36
audience
15:36
is
15:37
everybody,
15:37
each
15:37
of
15:37
us
15:38
as
15:38
a
15:38
children's
15:39
book
15:39
author
15:39
has
15:39
our
15:40
own
15:40
techniques
15:41
and
15:41
some
15:41
of
15:41
them
15:42
are
15:42
accidental.
15:43
I'll
15:43
give
15:44
you
15:44
prime
15:44
examples.
15:45
I,
15:46
my,
15:47
myself
15:47
and
15:47
my
15:48
five
15:48
grandchildren,
15:49
we've
15:49
written
15:50
38
15:51
books
15:51
in
15:51
our
15:52
book
15:52
series,
15:53
the
15:53
Adventures
15:54
of
15:54
Caboose,
15:54
the
15:54
Rocky
15:54
Mountain
15:55
Bear.
15:56
It's
15:56
not
15:57
inexpensive
15:58
to
15:58
bring
15:58
a
15:59
book
15:59
to
15:59
market,
16:00
to
16:00
publish
16:00
a
16:00
book,
16:01
to
16:01
market
16:01
a
16:02
book.
16:02
So
16:03
one
16:03
thing
16:03
that
16:04
we
16:04
decided
16:04
to
16:05
do
16:05
was
16:05
do
16:06
they
16:06
still
16:07
had
16:07
their
16:07
young
16:07
voices
16:08
was
16:08
to
16:09
do
16:09
audiobooks
16:10
of
16:10
each
16:10
of
16:11
the
16:11
story.
16:12
So
16:12
when
16:12
we
16:13
actually
16:13
started
16:13
doing
16:14
the
16:14
audiobooks,
16:15
my
16:15
grandchildren
16:16
were
16:16
great
16:17
because
16:17
sometimes
16:18
the
16:18
words
16:19
weren't
16:19
right
16:20
for
16:20
their
16:20
age
16:21
category.
16:22
So
16:22
they
16:22
were
16:23
the
16:23
editors.
16:24
One
16:24
of
16:24
the
16:24
things
16:24
that
16:25
I
16:25
would
16:25
offer
16:25
out
16:26
to
16:26
the
16:26
aspiring
16:27
authors
16:27
is
16:28
have
16:29
the
16:29
children
16:30
who
16:30
are
16:30
in
16:30
your
16:31
target
16:31
range
16:32
for
16:33
who
16:33
you
16:33
would
16:33
like
16:33
to
16:34
read
16:34
the
16:34
book
16:35
actually
16:35
read
16:36
your
16:36
story
16:37
in
16:37
advance
16:38
the
16:39
draft.
16:39
And
16:40
you
16:40
can
16:41
learn
16:41
a
16:41
lot
16:41
from
16:41
that.
16:42
Anyways,
16:42
it's
16:42
interesting
16:43
how
16:43
you
16:43
came
16:44
about
16:44
it
16:45
and
16:45
how
16:45
you're
16:45
developing.
16:46
I
16:46
got
16:47
connected
16:47
to.
16:48
Through
16:48
to
16:48
a
16:48
group
16:49
of
16:49
authors
16:50
that
16:50
are
16:50
all
16:51
in
16:51
aviation.
16:52
So
16:52
ever
16:52
in
16:53
all
16:53
realms
16:53
of
16:53
aviation.
16:54
And
16:54
so
16:54
there
16:55
is
16:55
a
16:55
woman,
16:55
her
16:55
name
16:55
is
16:56
Liz
16:56
Booker.
16:56
She.
16:57
Her
16:57
website
16:57
is
16:58
literary
16:58
avh.com
16:59
she
17:00
has
17:00
every
17:01
genre
17:01
of
17:02
a
17:02
book
17:03
primarily
17:04
featuring
17:05
some
17:05
character
17:05
in.
17:06
There
17:06
is
17:06
a
17:06
woman
17:06
pilot.
17:07
But
17:07
she
17:08
had.
17:08
She's
17:08
really
17:09
open
17:09
to
17:09
sharing
17:09
all
17:10
books
17:10
in
17:10
general.
17:11
So
17:11
I
17:11
did
17:11
a
17:12
podcast
17:12
interview
17:12
with
17:13
her
17:13
and
17:13
at
17:14
the
17:14
end
17:14
of
17:14
it
17:15
again,
17:15
she
17:15
said
17:15
to
17:15
me,
17:15
so
17:16
Erin,
17:16
I
17:16
also
17:16
have.
17:17
So
17:17
she's
17:17
a
17:17
retired
17:18
Coast
17:19
Guard
17:19
helicopter
17:20
pilot
17:20
and
17:21
now
17:21
she's
17:21
just
17:21
really
17:22
fixated
17:22
on
17:22
education
17:23
and
17:24
book
17:24
promotion
17:25
and
17:25
all
17:26
genres
17:26
of
17:26
aviation.
17:27
So
17:27
she
17:28
said,
17:28
I
17:28
just
17:28
want.
17:28
I
17:28
also
17:29
have
17:29
a
17:29
literary
17:29
degree,
17:30
Aaron.
17:30
And
17:30
I
17:30
just
17:30
wanted
17:31
to
17:31
share
17:31
a
17:31
note
17:31
with
17:31
you
17:32
about
17:32
halfway
17:32
home.
17:33
And
17:33
I
17:33
was
17:33
like,
17:34
okay.
17:35
She
17:35
said,
17:35
I
17:35
don't
17:36
think
17:36
your
17:36
character
17:37
Zeke
17:37
has
17:38
enough
17:38
agency.
17:39
And
17:40
then
17:40
I
17:40
pushed
17:40
back
17:40
on
17:41
that.
17:41
I
17:41
said
17:41
rescue
17:42
dogs
17:42
really
17:42
don't
17:43
have
17:43
agency.
17:44
They're
17:44
in
17:44
a
17:44
shelter
17:45
and
17:45
kind
17:45
of
17:45
whatever's
17:46
going
17:46
to
17:46
shake
17:46
out
17:46
is
17:47
really
17:47
totally
17:48
out
17:48
of
17:48
their
17:48
control.
17:49
But
17:49
again,
17:50
that
17:50
was
17:50
like
17:50
my
17:51
pragmatic
17:51
brain.
17:52
She
17:52
doesn't
17:53
understand
17:53
that
17:54
nobody
17:55
really
17:56
insightful
17:56
might
17:57
they
17:57
try.
17:58
But
17:58
like
17:58
they
17:59
just.
17:59
Because,
17:59
you
17:59
know,
17:59
you
18:00
just.
18:00
I.
18:00
You
18:00
still
18:01
need
18:01
to
18:01
see
18:01
something,
18:02
some
18:02
moment
18:03
where
18:03
he
18:03
took
18:04
charge
18:04
of
18:04
the
18:04
situation
18:05
and
18:05
then
18:06
helped,
18:06
at
18:06
least
18:07
had
18:07
a
18:07
role
18:08
in
18:08
his
18:08
life.
18:09
Turning
18:09
around
18:09
and
18:09
getting
18:09
adopted.
18:10
First
18:11
edition
18:11
of
18:11
Halfway
18:12
Home.
18:12
No
18:13
one
18:13
else
18:13
has
18:13
said
18:13
anything
18:14
to
18:14
me
18:14
about
18:14
it.
18:14
She
18:15
is
18:15
the
18:15
only
18:15
one
18:15
and
18:15
I
18:16
do
18:16
appreciate
18:16
her
18:16
saying
18:17
that.
18:17
So
18:17
I
18:18
sat
18:18
with
18:18
that
18:18
for
18:19
to
18:19
give
18:19
other
18:19
authors.
18:20
If
18:20
you're
18:20
doing
18:20
any
18:21
kind
18:21
of
18:21
rewriting
18:21
or
18:22
another
18:22
edition
18:23
over
18:23
a
18:24
year
18:24
and
18:25
I
18:25
would
18:26
literally
18:26
be
18:26
in
18:26
like
18:26
the
18:27
grocery
18:27
store,
18:28
not
18:28
even
18:28
thinking
18:29
about
18:29
it,
18:29
and
18:29
it
18:29
would
18:29
just
18:29
pop
18:30
in
18:30
my
18:30
head.
18:30
I'm
18:30
like,
18:31
I
18:31
got
18:31
to
18:31
do
18:32
something
18:32
about
18:32
that.
18:33
What
18:33
I'd
18:33
like
18:34
to
18:34
talk
18:34
to
18:34
you
18:34
about
18:34
also
18:35
is
18:35
that
18:36
I
18:36
found
18:37
that
18:37
there's
18:37
generally
18:38
three
18:38
types
18:39
of
18:39
ways
18:39
to
18:39
publish.
18:40
There's
18:41
self
18:41
publishing,
18:42
there's
18:43
hybrid
18:43
publishing,
18:44
which
18:44
you've
18:45
talked
18:45
about,
18:46
and
18:46
then
18:46
there's
18:46
traditional
18:47
publishing.
18:48
So
18:48
tell
18:48
us
18:49
why
18:49
you
18:50
lean
18:51
towards
18:52
hybrid
18:52
publishing
18:53
versus
18:54
traditional.
18:55
You
18:55
did
18:56
mention
18:56
a
18:56
little
18:56
bit
18:56
about
18:57
traditional
18:57
or
18:58
self
18:58
publishing.
18:59
So
18:59
tell
19:00
us
19:00
a
19:00
little
19:00
bit
19:00
about
19:01
why
19:01
hybrid.
19:02
I
19:02
liked
19:02
hybrid
19:03
because
19:03
I
19:04
still
19:04
was
19:04
able
19:05
to
19:05
weigh
19:05
in
19:05
on
19:05
the
19:06
illustrations
19:06
and
19:06
the
19:06
text,
19:07
but
19:07
I
19:07
was
19:07
still
19:08
guided.
19:08
Yes.
19:09
No,
19:10
that's
19:10
probably
19:11
not
19:11
in
19:11
your
19:11
best
19:11
interest.
19:12
I
19:13
could
19:13
ultimately
19:13
override
19:14
them
19:14
and
19:14
say,
19:14
I
19:14
still
19:15
want
19:15
to
19:15
do
19:15
X,
19:15
Y
19:16
and
19:16
Z.
19:16
But
19:17
so
19:17
like
19:17
a
19:17
small
19:18
example
19:18
would
19:18
be
19:18
for
19:19
someone
19:19
who's
19:19
just
19:20
starting
19:20
out
19:21
for
19:21
me
19:22
in
19:22
what
19:22
I've
19:23
learned,
19:23
there's
19:24
a
19:24
lot
19:24
of
19:24
language
19:25
around
19:25
word
19:26
count
19:26
of
19:26
a
19:26
picture
19:27
book.
19:27
Right.
19:28
The
19:28
second
19:28
I
19:29
open
19:29
up
19:29
a
19:29
book,
19:30
I
19:30
can
19:30
tell
19:31
if
19:31
it
19:32
was
19:32
totally
19:33
self
19:33
published
19:34
without
19:34
any
19:34
editorial,
19:35
which
19:36
is
19:36
fine.
19:36
You
19:36
have
19:36
a
19:37
passion
19:37
project
19:37
and
19:37
you
19:38
just
19:38
love
19:38
it
19:38
and
19:38
your
19:39
community
19:39
loves
19:39
it.
19:40
Great.
19:40
That's
19:40
awesome.
19:41
Again,
19:42
because
19:42
I'm
19:42
a
19:42
little
19:43
pragmatic.
19:43
I
19:43
was
19:44
like.
19:44
But
19:45
now
19:45
that
19:45
I've
19:45
taken
19:46
these
19:46
courses,
19:47
I've
19:47
learned
19:47
the
19:47
structure
19:48
of
19:48
how
19:49
a
19:49
children's
19:49
book
19:50
and
19:50
the
19:50
rule
19:50
of
19:51
three
19:51
and
19:51
the
19:51
hero's
19:52
journey
19:53
and
19:53
a
19:53
climax
19:54
and
19:54
a
19:54
win,
19:55
a
19:55
partial
19:56
win
19:56
and
19:56
then
19:56
another
19:57
win
19:57
guy
19:58
on
19:58
the
19:58
plot
19:58
structure.
19:59
I
19:59
couldn't
19:59
really
20:00
let
20:00
go
20:00
of
20:00
that.
20:01
I
20:01
wanted
20:01
to
20:01
make
20:01
sure
20:02
someone
20:02
kept
20:02
me
20:02
in
20:03
check
20:03
with
20:03
that
20:03
because
20:03
I
20:04
was
20:04
new.
20:04
So
20:05
I
20:05
did
20:05
not
20:05
do
20:06
a
20:06
vanity
20:06
publish
20:07
hybrid
20:07
publisher,
20:08
which
20:08
you
20:08
can
20:09
just
20:09
submit
20:09
your
20:10
file
20:10
and
20:10
they
20:11
will
20:11
maybe
20:11
run
20:11
it
20:11
through
20:12
an
20:12
editor
20:12
in
20:12
a
20:13
copywriter
20:13
and
20:13
then
20:14
have
20:14
it
20:14
ready
20:14
to
20:14
go.
20:15
Like
20:15
I
20:15
said,
20:15
it
20:16
really
20:16
took
20:16
some
20:16
decent
20:17
critiques
20:17
on
20:18
it.
20:18
So
20:19
I
20:19
was.
20:19
I
20:19
needed
20:20
the
20:20
guidance
20:20
for
20:20
the
20:21
page
20:21
layout.
20:21
I
20:22
had
20:22
no
20:22
idea
20:22
how
20:23
to
20:23
do
20:23
that.
20:23
Even
20:23
as
20:24
far
20:24
as,
20:24
like,
20:24
where
20:25
the
20:25
text
20:25
falls
20:26
next
20:26
to
20:27
what
20:27
illustration.
20:28
I
20:28
did
20:28
not
20:29
have
20:29
that
20:29
skillset
20:30
developed
20:30
at
20:30
all.
20:31
Even
20:31
now
20:32
I
20:32
have
20:33
Branched
20:33
out.
20:33
I'll
20:34
get
20:34
there.
20:34
I
20:34
have
20:34
branched
20:35
off
20:35
from
20:35
my
20:35
hobby
20:35
publishing
20:36
house.
20:36
But
20:37
things
20:37
that
20:37
made
20:38
me
20:38
have
20:38
a
20:38
visceral
20:39
uncomfortable
20:40
reaction
20:40
if
20:41
someone
20:41
says
20:41
where
20:41
do
20:42
you
20:42
get
20:42
an
20:42
ISBN
20:43
meltdown?
20:44
In
20:44
my
20:44
head.
20:45
How
20:45
do
20:45
you
20:45
get
20:45
a
20:45
barcode?
20:46
I
20:46
don't
20:47
know.
20:47
I'm
20:47
terrified.
20:47
And
20:48
it
20:48
wanted
20:48
to
20:49
so
20:49
I
20:49
wanted
20:49
someone
20:50
to
20:50
help
20:50
me
20:50
do
20:51
that.
20:51
Everyone
20:52
says
20:52
to
20:52
you
20:53
is
20:53
your
20:53
book
20:53
on
20:53
Amazon
20:54
and
20:54
somehow
20:55
if
20:55
you
20:55
say
20:55
yes
20:55
then
20:55
you're
20:56
credible
20:56
how
20:57
that
20:57
happens?
20:57
I
20:58
wanted
20:58
nothing
20:58
to
20:58
do
20:58
with
20:59
it,
20:59
so
21:00
I
21:00
just
21:00
was
21:01
green.
21:01
I
21:01
didn't
21:01
know
21:01
how
21:02
to
21:02
do
21:02
any
21:02
of
21:02
that.
21:02
So
21:03
once
21:03
I
21:03
went
21:03
through
21:04
Daring
21:04
Dexter,
21:05
two
21:05
things
21:06
happened
21:06
and
21:07
I
21:07
let
21:07
the
21:07
first
21:08
one
21:08
slide
21:08
and
21:09
it's
21:09
really
21:10
nothing
21:10
negative
21:10
about
21:11
the
21:11
hybrid
21:11
house
21:12
that
21:12
I
21:12
published
21:12
with.
21:13
I
21:13
they
21:14
have
21:14
not
21:15
had
21:15
good
21:15
luck
21:16
with
21:16
their
21:16
printing
21:17
houses.
21:18
I
21:18
have
21:18
had
21:18
a
21:19
ton
21:19
of
21:19
printing
21:20
errors,
21:21
as
21:21
in
21:21
like
21:21
hundreds
21:22
of
21:22
books
21:23
that
21:23
I
21:23
now
21:23
have
21:23
to
21:24
take
21:24
pictures
21:24
of
21:24
and
21:25
prove
21:25
there's
21:25
an
21:25
error.
21:26
Are
21:26
you
21:26
doing
21:27
print
21:27
on
21:27
demand
21:28
and
21:28
also
21:30
quantity
21:31
printing?
21:31
Are
21:31
you
21:32
doing
21:32
both?
21:32
I
21:33
order,
21:33
yeah,
21:33
I
21:33
do
21:34
print
21:34
on
21:34
demand.
21:34
If
21:35
anyone
21:35
orders
21:35
from
21:36
Amazon
21:36
and
21:37
such
21:37
that
21:37
just
21:38
whatever
21:38
book
21:38
they
21:39
print
21:39
is
21:39
what
21:39
they
21:39
will
21:40
get.
21:40
I,
21:40
I'm
21:41
not
21:41
totally
21:41
wild
21:42
about
21:42
that
21:42
quality.
21:43
It's
21:43
okay.
21:43
And
21:44
I
21:44
understand
21:44
it's
21:44
a
21:44
kid's
21:45
book.
21:45
It's
21:45
going
21:45
to
21:45
get
21:46
drawn
21:46
in
21:46
and
21:47
sat
21:47
on
21:47
and
21:47
lost
21:48
and
21:48
okay.
21:48
But
21:49
just
21:49
for
21:49
me,
21:50
I
21:50
just
21:51
really
21:51
like
21:51
to
21:51
have
21:51
to
21:52
give
21:52
a
21:52
nice
21:52
presentation
21:53
at
21:53
the
21:53
start.
21:54
And
21:54
so
21:54
I
21:55
do
21:55
I
21:55
so
21:55
I
21:56
the
21:56
hybrid
21:56
house
21:57
also
21:57
order.
21:57
I
21:58
order
21:58
my
21:58
own
21:58
stock
21:59
here
21:59
at
21:59
my
21:59
house
22:00
and
22:00
then
22:00
that's
22:00
where
22:01
you
22:01
order
22:01
from
22:01
my
22:01
website
22:02
and
22:02
that's
22:02
where
22:02
the
22:02
offering
22:03
is
22:03
for
22:03
custom
22:04
packaging
22:04
and
22:05
messaging
22:05
and
22:05
things
22:05
like
22:05
that
22:06
that
22:06
I
22:06
really
22:06
take
22:07
or
22:07
pride
22:07
in.
22:08
So
22:08
when
22:08
I
22:08
was
22:08
having
22:09
these
22:09
printing
22:09
issues,
22:10
they
22:10
circ
22:11
even
22:11
though
22:11
they
22:12
made
22:12
a
22:12
change
22:12
to
22:12
the
22:13
printing
22:13
house,
22:13
it
22:13
did
22:14
surface
22:14
again
22:14
with
22:14
Daring
22:15
Dexter.
22:16
So
22:16
I
22:17
started
22:17
to
22:17
think
22:18
all
22:18
the
22:18
things
22:19
that
22:19
I
22:19
did
22:19
not
22:19
want
22:19
to
22:20
learn.
22:20
The
22:20
ISBN,
22:21
the
22:21
barcode,
22:21
and
22:21
having
22:22
some
22:22
more
22:22
flexibility
22:23
that
22:24
invited
22:24
oh
22:25
then
22:25
if
22:25
you
22:25
do
22:25
that
22:26
Aaron,
22:26
you
22:26
can
22:27
make
22:27
those
22:27
changes
22:28
in
22:28
halfway
22:28
home
22:29
that
22:29
you
22:29
want
22:29
because
22:29
you'll
22:29
have
22:30
the
22:30
file,
22:30
you
22:30
can
22:31
re
22:31
edit
22:31
it,
22:32
you
22:32
can
22:32
do
22:32
as
22:32
you
22:32
want.
22:33
So
22:33
that
22:33
all
22:34
just
22:34
married
22:34
up
22:35
at
22:35
this
22:35
happened
22:35
to
22:35
marry
22:36
up
22:36
at
22:36
the
22:36
same
22:36
time.
22:36
So
22:37
I
22:37
did
22:37
exit
22:37
my
22:38
hybrid
22:38
publishing
22:39
house
22:39
and
22:39
I
22:40
am
22:40
slowly
22:40
self
22:41
publishing
22:41
my
22:41
second
22:42
editions.
22:42
It's
22:43
interesting
22:43
you
22:43
should
22:43
say
22:44
that
22:44
because
22:44
I
22:45
know
22:45
what
22:45
you
22:45
said
22:45
about
22:46
Amazon
22:46
and
22:47
the
22:47
printing
22:47
quality
22:47
but
22:48
I
22:48
have
22:48
to
22:48
tell
22:48
you,
22:49
I
22:49
of
22:49
course
22:50
gone
22:50
through
22:50
Amazon
22:51
and
22:51
I've
22:51
also
22:52
gone
22:52
through
22:52
ingramsparks
22:53
to
22:54
Reach
22:54
other
22:55
online
22:55
book
22:56
retailers
22:56
like
22:57
Barnes
22:57
and
22:57
Noble.
22:58
But
22:58
what
22:59
I
22:59
found
23:00
is
23:00
we
23:00
get
23:01
just
23:01
a
23:02
ton
23:02
of
23:02
compliments
23:03
on
23:03
the
23:03
printing
23:04
of
23:04
our
23:04
book
23:05
through
23:05
Amazon
23:06
to
23:07
do
23:07
with
23:07
geographically.
23:08
I
23:08
have
23:08
one
23:08
friend
23:09
in
23:09
Wisconsin,
23:10
she's
23:10
actually
23:11
a
23:11
retired
23:12
Thunderbird
23:12
pilot,
23:13
and
23:13
she.
23:14
She
23:14
had
23:14
to
23:14
return
23:15
thousands
23:15
of
23:15
books,
23:16
and
23:16
they
23:16
were
23:16
all
23:16
from
23:17
hunger.
23:18
And
23:18
another
23:19
friend
23:19
of
23:19
ours,
23:20
she
23:20
has
23:20
an
23:20
adult
23:21
book
23:21
about
23:22
the
23:22
women
23:22
air
23:22
force
23:23
service
23:23
pilots
23:23
and
23:24
a
23:24
children's
23:24
book.
23:25
She
23:25
lived
23:25
down
23:25
in
23:25
Maryland.
23:26
She
23:26
said,
23:26
I've
23:26
had
23:27
over
23:27
like
23:27
the
23:27
last
23:27
four
23:28
years.
23:28
I've
23:28
had
23:28
to
23:28
return
23:29
like
23:29
two
23:29
books.
23:31
Interesting.
23:32
I
23:32
just
23:32
don't
23:32
know.
23:33
But
23:33
I
23:33
do
23:33
wish
23:34
someone
23:34
kind
23:35
of
23:35
told
23:35
me
23:35
a
23:35
little
23:35
bit
23:35
about
23:36
that.
23:36
That's
23:36
why
23:36
I
23:37
like
23:37
to
23:37
share
23:37
it.
23:38
Because,
23:38
like,
23:38
the.
23:39
For
23:39
when
23:39
it
23:39
first
23:39
happened,
23:40
I
23:40
was
23:41
embarrassed
23:41
and
23:41
I
23:41
thought
23:42
someone
23:42
thought
23:42
I
23:42
had
23:43
a
23:43
horrible
23:43
product.
23:44
Right.
23:44
And,
23:44
oh,
23:44
why
23:44
would
23:44
you
23:45
order
23:45
that?
23:46
But
23:46
secondly,
23:46
it's
23:47
out
23:47
of
23:47
the
23:47
author's
23:48
control
23:48
a
23:48
little.
23:49
You
23:49
know,
23:49
I
23:49
mean,
23:50
these
23:50
things
23:50
do
23:50
happen.
23:51
And
23:51
I
23:51
equate
23:52
it
23:52
to,
23:52
like,
23:52
when
23:53
you
23:53
buy
23:53
anything
23:53
in
23:54
bulk,
23:54
like,
23:55
if
23:55
you
23:55
go
23:55
to
23:55
the
23:55
Gap,
23:56
they
23:56
have
23:56
the
23:57
clearance
23:57
rack
23:57
with.
23:58
With
23:58
the
23:58
weird
23:58
sweater
23:59
happen.
24:00
So
24:01
if
24:01
I
24:01
ordered
24:01
like
24:02
10,000
24:02
books
24:03
and
24:03
like
24:03
300
24:04
of
24:04
them
24:04
were
24:05
terrible,
24:06
that's
24:06
really
24:06
not
24:06
the
24:06
end
24:06
of
24:07
the
24:07
world.
24:07
But
24:07
it
24:07
just
24:07
gets
24:07
frustrating
24:08
when
24:08
you're
24:09
only
24:09
ordering
24:09
like
24:10
500
24:10
or
24:10
so
24:11
and
24:11
you
24:11
have
24:11
to
24:11
print
24:12
200.
24:12
It's
24:13
something
24:13
to
24:13
consider
24:14
if
24:14
you
24:14
don't
24:14
want
24:14
to
24:14
play
24:15
that
24:15
game.
24:15
You
24:15
can
24:15
just
24:15
do
24:16
the
24:16
print
24:16
on
24:16
demand.
24:17
But
24:17
I
24:17
just
24:17
enjoy
24:18
having
24:18
the
24:19
books
24:19
and
24:19
sending
24:20
them
24:20
out
24:20
on
24:20
my
24:20
purse
24:21
from
24:21
my
24:21
own
24:21
personal
24:22
space.
24:22
And
24:22
I
24:22
let
24:23
sign.
24:23
And
24:23
just
24:24
so
24:24
you
24:24
know,
24:24
as
24:24
a
24:25
self
24:25
publisher,
24:25
that's
24:26
what
24:26
we
24:26
do.
24:27
That's
24:27
the
24:27
one
24:27
thing
24:28
that
24:28
I
24:28
loved,
24:29
is
24:30
having
24:30
that
24:31
control
24:32
over
24:33
making
24:34
changes
24:34
if
24:35
we
24:35
wanted
24:35
to.
24:36
A
24:36
prime
24:36
example,
24:37
and
24:37
I've
24:37
talked
24:37
about
24:37
this
24:38
a
24:38
couple
24:38
of
24:39
times
24:39
now
24:39
on
24:39
our
24:39
podcast
24:40
shows,
24:41
is
24:41
I
24:41
heard
24:42
about
24:42
adding
24:43
a
24:43
book
24:44
plate
24:44
to
24:44
the
24:44
front
24:45
of
24:45
your
24:45
book,
24:46
and
24:46
I
24:46
didn't
24:46
even
24:46
know
24:47
what
24:47
the
24:47
heck
24:47
that
24:47
was,
24:48
but
24:49
it
24:49
was
24:49
a
24:50
simple
24:50
thing.
24:51
Generally,
24:51
children's
24:52
books
24:52
are
24:52
bought
24:52
as
24:53
gifts.
24:53
So
24:53
they're
24:54
bought
24:54
by
24:54
the
24:55
parent,
24:55
the
24:55
grandparent,
24:56
a
24:56
family
24:57
or
24:57
friend.
24:58
And
24:59
so
24:59
they
25:00
always
25:00
say
25:01
people
25:01
want
25:02
either
25:02
the
25:03
author
25:03
to
25:03
write
25:03
a
25:04
message,
25:04
if
25:05
they
25:05
can,
25:05
to
25:06
the
25:06
child,
25:07
or
25:08
the
25:08
parent
25:08
or
25:08
grandparent
25:09
wants
25:09
to
25:09
write
25:10
a
25:10
message
25:10
to
25:10
the
25:11
child.
25:11
So
25:12
I
25:12
ended
25:12
up
25:13
in
25:13
our
25:13
first
25:14
book.
25:15
I
25:15
just
25:15
want
25:16
to
25:16
show
25:16
you
25:16
in
25:16
our
25:17
first
25:17
book,
25:18
right
25:18
at
25:18
the
25:19
front.
25:19
It's
25:20
just
25:20
the
25:20
title
25:21
of
25:21
our
25:21
book.
25:22
Yes.
25:22
Okay.
25:23
And
25:23
then
25:24
somebody
25:24
gave
25:25
me
25:25
this
25:25
idea
25:26
about
25:26
the
25:27
book
25:27
plate.
25:28
And
25:28
so
25:29
the
25:29
nice
25:29
thing
25:29
about
25:29
it
25:30
is
25:31
now.
25:32
Oh
25:32
yeah.
25:33
So
25:34
it
25:34
says
25:34
this
25:35
book
25:35
belongs
25:36
to.
25:36
And
25:36
then
25:36
you
25:36
can
25:37
just
25:37
write
25:37
a.
25:38
A
25:38
nice
25:38
message
25:39
in
25:39
there.
25:40
It
25:40
was
25:40
nice
25:40
because
25:41
we
25:41
self
25:41
publish.
25:42
I
25:42
made
25:42
the
25:42
change
25:43
within
25:44
a
25:44
week
25:44
that
25:45
I
25:45
turned
25:45
it
25:45
around
25:46
and
25:46
had
25:46
it
25:46
uploaded
25:47
into
25:48
ingramsparks
25:49
and
25:49
into
25:50
Amazon.
25:51
Just
25:51
that
25:51
quick.
25:52
Exactly.
25:53
And
25:53
to
25:53
give
25:53
our
25:54
listeners
25:54
a
25:54
perspective,
25:55
there's
25:56
one
25:57
dog
25:57
in
25:57
halfway
25:58
home
25:58
and
25:59
all
25:59
the
25:59
dogs,
26:00
end
26:00
of
26:00
story,
26:00
are
26:01
dogs
26:01
in
26:01
our
26:02
life
26:02
or
26:02
in
26:02
our
26:02
family.
26:03
And
26:04
I
26:04
have
26:04
no
26:04
idea
26:05
what
26:05
happened
26:05
because
26:06
I
26:06
know
26:06
I
26:06
approved
26:07
the
26:07
original
26:08
script.
26:09
And
26:09
so
26:09
the
26:09
dog's
26:10
name
26:10
is
26:10
Millie.
26:10
M
26:11
I
26:11
L
26:11
I
26:12
E.
26:12
And
26:12
when
26:13
I
26:13
opened
26:13
up
26:13
the
26:13
book,
26:14
I
26:14
don't
26:15
know
26:15
when
26:15
this
26:15
happened.
26:16
It
26:16
was
26:16
M
26:16
I
26:17
L
26:17
Y.
26:17
So
26:18
no,
26:18
this
26:18
is
26:18
like
26:18
my
26:18
sister
26:19
in
26:19
law's
26:19
dog
26:19
though.
26:20
And
26:20
I
26:20
know
26:20
it's
26:20
just
26:21
a
26:21
story
26:21
and
26:21
I
26:21
know
26:21
it
26:22
just.
26:22
You
26:22
can
26:22
fill
26:23
in
26:23
all
26:23
the.
26:23
No
26:23
one
26:24
knows.
26:24
And
26:24
it's
26:24
just.
26:25
But
26:25
it
26:25
bothered
26:26
me.
26:26
This
26:26
is
26:26
our
26:27
dog
26:27
and
26:28
I
26:28
wanted
26:28
her
26:28
names.
26:29
Right?
26:29
Absolutely.
26:30
And
26:30
my
26:30
hybrid
26:31
publisher
26:32
now
26:32
because
26:32
I
26:32
had
26:33
all
26:33
that
26:33
support,
26:34
which
26:34
was
26:34
great
26:34
and
26:34
I
26:35
paid
26:35
for
26:35
it,
26:36
but
26:36
you
26:36
pay
26:37
for
26:37
it.
26:37
So
26:37
when
26:37
I
26:38
said
26:38
I
26:38
would
26:38
like
26:39
this
26:39
to
26:39
be
26:39
changed
26:40
for
26:40
the
26:40
next
26:40
round
26:41
of
26:41
printing.
26:42
Now
26:42
hold
26:42
onto
26:43
your
26:43
hat,
26:43
it's
26:43
$500
26:44
now.
26:45
Why
26:45
is
26:45
it
26:45
$500?
26:46
Because
26:46
we
26:46
have
26:47
to
26:47
contract
26:47
the
26:47
illustrator.
26:48
The
26:49
page
26:49
layout
26:49
person
26:50
has
26:50
to
26:50
reapprove
26:50
it.
26:51
The
26:52
copyright
26:53
folks
26:53
need
26:53
to
26:53
look
26:53
at
26:53
it
26:54
one
26:54
more
26:54
time
26:55
and
26:55
all
26:55
those
26:55
people
26:56
need
26:56
to
26:56
get
26:56
paid
26:56
for
26:56
their
26:57
time.
26:57
That
26:58
is
26:58
also
26:58
what
26:58
started
26:59
to
26:59
nudge
26:59
me
26:59
towards
27:00
the
27:00
self
27:00
publishing.
27:01
I
27:01
just
27:02
for
27:02
me
27:02
personally,
27:03
mathematically
27:04
the
27:04
hybrid
27:05
does
27:05
serve
27:06
for
27:06
two
27:06
books.
27:07
After
27:08
two
27:08
books
27:08
you're
27:09
just
27:09
hemorrhaging
27:10
money.
27:10
Unless
27:11
you're
27:11
selling
27:11
like
27:12
gangbusters.
27:13
But
27:13
I'm
27:13
not.
27:14
I
27:14
just
27:14
moderately
27:15
sell.
27:16
Right.
27:16
Which
27:16
is
27:16
what
27:17
makes
27:17
I
27:17
still.
27:17
I'm
27:17
flying.
27:18
And
27:18
when
27:18
I
27:19
come
27:19
home,
27:19
if
27:19
I
27:19
have
27:19
a
27:20
handful
27:20
of
27:20
book
27:20
orders
27:21
to
27:21
do,
27:21
that's
27:22
great
27:22
for
27:22
me.
27:22
I
27:22
don't
27:23
want
27:23
to
27:23
happen
27:24
100%.
27:24
So
27:25
let's
27:25
pick
27:25
up
27:25
on
27:25
that
27:26
for
27:26
a
27:26
moment
27:26
because
27:27
you.
27:27
You
27:27
were
27:27
talking
27:28
about
27:29
and
27:30
I'm
27:30
really
27:31
curious
27:31
about
27:31
this
27:32
is
27:32
second
27:33
editions.
27:34
Tell
27:34
the
27:35
everybody
27:35
what
27:35
that
27:36
is
27:36
and
27:38
what's
27:38
different
27:39
from
27:40
a
27:40
first
27:40
edition
27:41
to
27:42
the
27:42
second
27:42
edition.
27:43
So
27:44
I
27:44
did
27:44
a
27:44
lot
27:44
of
27:44
research
27:45
on
27:45
this
27:45
because
27:45
I
27:45
wasn't
27:46
sure
27:46
if
27:46
I
27:46
was
27:47
just
27:47
going
27:47
to
27:47
say
27:47
I'm
27:48
relaunching
27:48
or
27:49
I'm
27:49
re
27:49
releasing
27:50
or
27:50
am
27:50
I
27:50
making
27:51
a
27:51
second
27:51
edition.
27:52
So
27:52
I
27:53
literally
27:53
looked
27:53
up
27:54
even
27:54
like
27:55
tutorial
27:55
videos
27:56
on
27:56
YouTube
27:56
from
27:57
professionals
27:57
to
27:58
see
27:58
what
27:58
they
27:58
characterize
27:59
as
27:59
second
27:59
edition.
28:00
So
28:00
second
28:00
edition
28:01
is
28:01
characterized
28:02
by
28:03
major
28:03
illustration
28:04
and
28:05
text
28:05
changes.
28:06
So
28:07
I
28:07
really
28:07
did
28:08
do
28:08
that.
28:08
So
28:08
in
28:09
Halfway
28:09
Home,
28:10
I
28:10
the
28:11
pilot
28:12
in
28:12
that
28:12
storyline
28:13
is
28:14
not
28:14
the
28:14
main
28:14
character.
28:15
Zeke
28:15
the
28:15
dog
28:16
is.
28:16
However,
28:17
she
28:17
is
28:17
a
28:18
woman
28:18
pilot
28:18
in
28:18
there.
28:19
And
28:19
primarily
28:20
because
28:20
I
28:20
got
28:20
stuck
28:21
so
28:21
connected
28:21
to
28:21
other
28:22
authors
28:22
in
28:22
aviation,
28:23
they
28:24
are
28:24
all
28:24
elevating
28:25
pilots
28:25
in
28:26
general.
28:26
Doesn't
28:27
matter
28:27
the
28:27
gender.
28:28
But
28:29
I
28:29
just
28:29
thought
28:30
I
28:30
should
28:30
highlight
28:31
that
28:31
a
28:31
little
28:32
more.
28:32
And
28:32
then
28:33
a
28:33
little
28:33
bit
28:33
more
28:34
thought
28:34
came
28:34
into
28:34
it
28:35
and
28:35
I
28:35
thought
28:35
I'm
28:35
not
28:36
going
28:36
to
28:36
rewrite
28:36
the
28:36
whole
28:37
story
28:37
that
28:37
all
28:38
of
28:38
a
28:38
sudden
28:38
this
28:38
woman
28:39
pilot
28:39
is
28:39
the
28:39
main
28:40
character
28:40
in
28:40
Zeke
28:41
is
28:41
secondary.
28:42
But
28:43
what
28:43
can
28:43
I
28:43
do?
28:44
I
28:44
thought
28:44
maybe
28:45
I
28:45
can
28:45
get
28:45
a
28:45
nice
28:46
picture
28:46
of
28:46
myself
28:47
in
28:47
my
28:48
uniform
28:49
in
28:49
my
28:49
bio
28:50
and
28:51
that
28:51
will
28:51
just
28:51
support
28:52
the
28:52
aviation
28:53
and
28:53
pilot
28:54
element
28:54
a
28:54
little
28:54
more
28:55
like
28:55
through
28:55
myself
28:56
as
28:56
a
28:56
and
28:56
a
28:57
description
28:57
of
28:57
myself.
28:58
All
28:59
of
28:59
that
28:59
is
28:59
to
29:00
say
29:00
is
29:00
I,
29:01
without
29:02
knowing
29:02
this
29:02
was
29:02
going
29:02
to
29:03
happen
29:03
in
29:03
2023,
29:04
I
29:04
was
29:04
invited
29:05
to
29:05
be
29:05
a
29:05
part
29:05
of
29:05
a
29:05
coffee
29:06
table
29:06
book
29:06
about
29:07
people
29:07
and
29:07
their
29:07
dogs.
29:08
And
29:08
so
29:08
I
29:09
did
29:09
a
29:09
photo
29:09
shoot
29:09
for
29:10
it
29:10
and
29:10
I
29:10
ended
29:10
up
29:10
with
29:11
these
29:11
like
29:11
gorgeous
29:12
photos
29:13
of
29:13
me
29:13
and
29:13
my
29:13
dogs
29:14
in
29:14
my
29:14
uniform.
29:15
And
29:15
then
29:15
that
29:15
was
29:16
when
29:16
the
29:16
wheels
29:16
were
29:16
turning.
29:17
I
29:17
was
29:17
leaving
29:17
my
29:18
hybrid
29:18
house.
29:19
So
29:19
I
29:19
redesigned
29:20
my
29:20
whole
29:20
entire
29:21
bio
29:22
page
29:22
and
29:22
there's
29:23
probably
29:23
maybe
29:24
10
29:24
sentences
29:25
that
29:25
I
29:25
completely
29:26
changed
29:26
that
29:26
specifically
29:27
elevate
29:28
the
29:29
pilot.
29:29
Maeve
29:30
is
29:30
what
29:30
we
29:30
call
29:30
her.
29:31
So
29:31
in
29:31
the
29:31
story
29:31
I
29:32
just
29:32
called
29:32
her
29:32
Maeve
29:33
and
29:33
I
29:33
just
29:33
something
29:34
as
29:34
simple
29:34
as
29:35
calling
29:35
her
29:35
pilot
29:35
Maeve
29:36
all
29:36
the
29:36
time.
29:37
Everyone's
29:37
oh
29:37
yeah,
29:38
oh,
29:38
she
29:38
is
29:38
flying.
29:39
Oh
29:39
yeah.
29:39
I
29:39
see
29:40
her
29:40
in
29:40
the
29:40
illustration
29:41
instead
29:41
of
29:41
just
29:42
glossing
29:42
over
29:43
it.
29:43
Well,
29:43
any
29:44
major
29:44
text
29:44
in
29:45
illustration
29:45
changes,
29:46
particularly
29:47
a
29:47
cover
29:47
change.
29:48
And
29:48
then
29:48
both
29:48
of
29:49
my
29:49
books
29:49
I
29:49
added
29:50
subtitles.
29:51
And
29:51
the
29:51
reason
29:52
behind
29:52
the
29:52
subtitles
29:53
is
29:54
two
29:54
things.
29:54
It
29:54
can
29:55
those
29:55
trigger
29:56
words
29:56
can
29:56
help
29:56
you
29:56
get
29:56
a
29:57
little
29:57
bit
29:57
more
29:57
traction
29:58
on
29:58
Amazon
29:59
and
29:59
ingramsparks
30:00
when
30:00
people
30:00
are
30:00
searching.
30:01
Also,
30:02
just
30:02
like
30:02
you
30:02
were
30:02
saying
30:03
and
30:04
myself
30:04
saying,
30:05
not
30:05
everyone
30:06
really
30:06
knows
30:06
a
30:06
whole
30:07
lot
30:07
about
30:07
what
30:07
animal
30:08
air
30:08
rescue
30:08
is.
30:08
And
30:09
that
30:09
was
30:09
a.
30:10
A
30:10
reaction
30:10
I
30:11
saw
30:11
for
30:11
people
30:11
that
30:12
I
30:12
thought
30:12
I
30:12
could
30:12
when
30:13
I
30:13
was
30:13
marinating.
30:14
Geez,
30:14
I
30:14
can
30:14
improve
30:15
upon
30:15
Halfway
30:15
Home
30:16
I
30:16
would
30:16
see
30:16
them
30:17
look
30:17
at
30:17
the
30:17
book
30:18
and
30:18
they're
30:18
looking
30:19
at
30:19
a
30:19
woman
30:19
and
30:20
a
30:20
dog
30:20
in
30:20
like
30:21
an
30:21
abandoned
30:21
house
30:21
in
30:22
a
30:22
plane.
30:23
And
30:23
with
30:24
no
30:24
subtitle,
30:25
they
30:25
didn't
30:25
have
30:25
context
30:26
for
30:26
what
30:26
was
30:26
happening.
30:27
Now
30:27
I
30:28
did
30:28
because
30:28
I'm
30:28
doing
30:29
all
30:29
this
30:29
volunteer
30:29
work
30:30
and
30:30
so
30:30
my
30:31
volunteer
30:31
pals
30:32
but
30:32
anyone
30:33
outside
30:33
of
30:33
that
30:33
realm
30:34
had
30:34
no
30:34
I
30:34
didn't
30:35
really
30:35
immediately
30:36
link
30:36
all
30:36
the
30:37
elements
30:37
together
30:38
in
30:38
the
30:38
sometime.
30:39
So
30:39
do,
30:39
do
30:40
you
30:40
have
30:40
to
30:40
change
30:40
the
30:41
ISBN?
30:42
Yes,
30:43
I
30:43
did.
30:44
Okay,
30:45
so
30:46
I
30:46
changed
30:46
got
30:46
new
30:47
ISB.
30:47
I.
30:47
I
30:48
faced
30:48
my
30:49
demons,
30:50
I
30:50
tackled
30:50
the
30:51
ISBNs
30:52
and
30:52
I
30:52
tackled
30:53
the
30:53
barcodes.
30:54
And
30:54
then
30:55
I
30:55
did
30:56
find
30:56
another
30:57
gentleman
30:57
who
30:58
I,
30:59
you
30:59
know,
30:59
it
30:59
took
30:59
me
30:59
this
30:59
long
31:00
in
31:00
the
31:00
podcast
31:01
to
31:01
bring
31:01
him
31:01
up,
31:01
but
31:01
he
31:02
really
31:02
didn't
31:02
come
31:02
into
31:03
my
31:03
life
31:03
till
31:03
the
31:03
second
31:04
edition.
31:04
So
31:04
his
31:04
name
31:05
is
31:05
Nathan
31:05
and
31:05
he
31:06
runs
31:06
a
31:06
company
31:06
called
31:07
Boki
31:07
B
31:08
A
31:08
B
31:08
O
31:09
K
31:09
Y
31:09
do
31:10
he
31:10
will
31:11
do
31:11
anything
31:11
from
31:12
copywriting
31:13
to
31:14
full
31:14
plate
31:14
page
31:15
layouts
31:15
to
31:16
audiobooks,
31:17
ebooks,
31:17
whatever
31:18
it
31:18
is
31:18
that
31:18
your
31:18
heart
31:19
desires.
31:20
He
31:20
is
31:20
not
31:20
a
31:21
hybrid
31:21
publishing
31:22
house.
31:22
He
31:22
is
31:22
just
31:23
provides
31:23
service
31:24
if
31:24
you
31:24
need
31:24
help
31:24
with
31:24
an
31:25
illustrator.
31:25
He
31:26
has
31:26
just
31:26
been.
31:27
He
31:27
is
31:27
a
31:27
very
31:28
calm
31:28
demeanored,
31:29
intelligent
31:30
guy.
31:30
So
31:31
whenever
31:31
I
31:31
started
31:31
to
31:32
have
31:32
one
31:32
of
31:32
these
31:32
panics,
31:34
I
31:34
would
31:34
reach
31:34
out
31:34
to
31:34
him
31:35
and
31:35
tell
31:35
him
31:36
perspective.
31:37
I
31:38
paid
31:38
Tom
31:39
$10,000
31:40
for
31:41
my
31:41
hybrid
31:42
publishing
31:43
journal,
31:43
Nathan.
31:44
Now
31:45
that
31:45
was
31:45
probably
31:45
over.
31:46
So
31:46
the
31:46
contract
31:46
is
31:46
for
31:47
a
31:47
year
31:48
now
31:48
and
31:49
they
31:49
will
31:49
give
31:49
you
31:49
continued
31:50
support
31:50
throughout
31:51
your
31:51
public
31:52
even
31:52
after
31:52
your
31:52
book
31:53
is
31:53
published.
31:53
But
31:53
this
31:53
gentleman,
31:54
Nathan,
31:55
four
31:55
hours
31:55
of
31:56
his
31:56
time,
31:57
220.
31:58
Like
31:59
anything,
31:59
it
32:00
doesn't
32:00
matter
32:00
what
32:00
it
32:00
is,
32:01
he
32:01
just
32:01
charges
32:01
by
32:02
his
32:02
time,
32:02
whether
32:02
it's
32:03
helping
32:03
you
32:03
with
32:03
your
32:04
ISBN
32:04
or
32:05
what
32:05
have
32:05
you.
32:05
So
32:06
I
32:06
leaned
32:06
on
32:07
him
32:07
a
32:07
lot
32:08
with
32:08
my
32:08
second
32:08
editions
32:09
and
32:09
I'm
32:09
so
32:09
proud
32:10
of
32:10
him.
32:10
I'm
32:10
glad
32:10
you
32:11
mentioned
32:11
that.
32:11
And
32:12
we'll
32:12
definitely
32:12
link
32:13
to
32:13
all
32:13
of
32:13
this
32:13
in
32:14
the
32:14
show
32:14
notes,
32:14
but
32:15
thank
32:15
you
32:15
for
32:16
sharing
32:16
that
32:16
because
32:17
I
32:17
haven't
32:18
had
32:18
quite
32:19
the
32:19
same
32:19
journey
32:20
as
32:20
you
32:20
as
32:20
a
32:20
self
32:20
publisher,
32:21
but
32:22
we
32:22
have
32:22
actually
32:23
put
32:24
a
32:24
team
32:24
together
32:25
almost
32:26
by
32:26
accident
32:27
and
32:27
so
32:28
that
32:28
team
32:29
is
32:29
serving
32:30
us
32:30
a
32:30
la
32:31
carte
32:32
like
32:32
you're
32:32
saying.
32:33
And
32:33
the
32:33
nice
32:33
thing
32:34
about
32:34
when
32:34
I
32:34
say
32:34
a
32:35
la
32:35
carte,
32:35
we're
32:36
just
32:36
paying
32:36
for
32:37
each
32:37
job
32:37
as
32:38
it
32:38
comes
32:38
up
32:39
and
32:40
we've
32:40
now
32:41
got
32:41
a
32:41
big
32:41
enough
32:41
team
32:42
that
32:42
we
32:42
know
32:42
who
32:43
to
32:43
go
32:43
to.
32:44
For
32:44
example,
32:45
the
32:45
book
32:45
plate
32:45
I
32:46
just
32:46
showed
32:46
you,
32:47
I
32:47
have
32:47
a.
32:48
It's
32:49
not
32:49
my
32:49
illustrator
32:50
that
32:50
did
32:50
the
32:50
book
32:51
plate.
32:51
It's
32:51
actually
32:52
I
32:52
have
32:53
a
32:53
graphics
32:53
person
32:54
who
32:54
helped
32:54
me
32:55
do
32:55
the
32:55
layout
32:56
of
32:56
the
32:56
book
32:57
and
32:57
he
32:57
was
32:57
able
32:58
to
32:58
do
32:58
that.
32:58
What's
32:58
interesting
32:59
is
32:59
you
33:00
start
33:00
to
33:00
build
33:00
these
33:00
resources
33:01
like
33:01
you
33:01
said,
33:01
when
33:02
you
33:02
go
33:02
through
33:02
the
33:02
first
33:03
book
33:03
or
33:03
the
33:03
second
33:03
book
33:04
and
33:04
you
33:04
get
33:04
more
33:05
comfortable
33:06
and
33:06
then
33:06
you
33:06
start
33:07
developing
33:07
these
33:08
different
33:08
resources.
33:09
So
33:09
thank
33:10
you
33:10
for
33:10
sharing
33:10
that.
33:11
Oh
33:11
yeah,
33:11
and
33:11
I
33:12
like
33:12
to
33:12
share
33:12
the
33:12
numbers
33:13
too
33:13
because
33:13
when
33:13
I
33:14
first
33:14
heard
33:14
$10,000
33:15
I
33:15
almost
33:16
fell
33:16
off
33:16
my
33:16
chair
33:17
Again
33:17
though.
33:18
But
33:18
if
33:18
I
33:18
was
33:18
an
33:19
illustrator.
33:19
Now
33:19
I'm
33:19
going
33:20
to
33:20
work
33:20
with
33:20
you
33:20
for
33:20
the
33:21
next
33:21
six
33:21
months.
33:22
Yeah,
33:22
I
33:22
want
33:23
$2,500.
33:25
I'm
33:25
giving
33:25
you
33:26
six
33:26
months
33:26
of
33:26
work
33:27
here
33:27
and
33:27
I'm
33:27
free
33:28
life.
33:29
So
33:29
all
33:29
the
33:30
numbers
33:30
are
33:30
huge.
33:31
The
33:31
page
33:31
layout
33:32
design
33:32
person
33:33
having
33:33
self
33:34
published
33:34
and
33:34
dabbled
33:35
with
33:35
InDesign
33:36
and
33:36
Adobe,
33:37
I
33:37
mean,
33:37
I
33:37
was
33:37
like
33:38
sweating
33:38
trying
33:39
to
33:39
figure
33:39
that
33:39
out.
33:40
That
33:40
is
33:40
not
33:41
easy.
33:41
And
33:42
then
33:42
of
33:42
course
33:42
you
33:42
have
33:42
your
33:43
printing
33:43
costs
33:43
for
33:44
at
33:44
least
33:44
your
33:44
first
33:44
round
33:45
of
33:45
books
33:45
and
33:45
etc.
33:46
So
33:47
I
33:48
again,
33:48
I
33:48
mean,
33:48
I
33:48
had
33:49
to
33:49
sit
33:49
with
33:49
the,
33:49
with
33:49
all
33:50
the
33:50
costs
33:50
for,
33:51
for
33:51
some
33:51
time
33:51
and
33:52
everybody
33:52
does
33:52
it
33:52
a
33:52
little
33:53
bit
33:53
differently.
33:53
But
33:54
so
33:54
for
33:54
me,
33:54
in
33:54
the
33:54
beginning
33:55
all
33:55
of
33:55
that
33:55
made
33:56
sense
33:56
until
33:57
it
33:57
didn't
33:57
make
33:57
sense
33:58
anymore.
33:58
And
33:58
then
33:59
now
33:59
the
33:59
a
33:59
la
33:59
carte
34:00
services
34:01
are
34:01
serving
34:01
me
34:01
perfectly.
34:02
I
34:02
want
34:03
everybody
34:03
to
34:03
understand
34:04
that
34:04
you
34:04
can
34:05
get
34:05
illustrators
34:06
a
34:06
la
34:06
carte
34:06
too.
34:07
You
34:08
don't
34:08
have
34:08
to
34:08
come
34:08
up
34:09
with
34:09
the
34:09
whole,
34:10
as
34:10
Aaron
34:10
talked
34:11
about,
34:11
you
34:11
don't
34:11
have
34:11
to
34:11
come
34:11
up
34:12
with
34:12
the
34:12
whole
34:12
$2,500
34:13
at
34:13
once.
34:14
Illustrators
34:14
will
34:15
work
34:15
with
34:15
you.
34:16
If
34:16
you
34:16
say,
34:17
I
34:17
need
34:17
two
34:17
or
34:18
three
34:18
illustrations
34:19
and
34:20
then
34:20
I
34:20
gotta
34:20
take
34:20
a
34:20
break
34:21
because
34:21
I
34:21
gotta
34:22
go
34:22
work
34:22
part
34:23
time
34:23
at
34:23
McDonald's
34:24
or
34:24
whatever
34:25
to
34:26
make
34:26
enough
34:26
money
34:26
to
34:27
pay
34:27
for
34:27
the
34:27
next
34:27
illustration,
34:28
there's
34:29
a
34:29
lot
34:29
of
34:29
great
34:30
illustrators
34:30
that'll
34:31
do
34:31
that
34:32
with
34:32
you.
34:32
Absolutely.
34:33
And
34:33
then
34:34
just
34:34
for
34:34
folks
34:35
to,
34:35
you
34:36
know,
34:36
when
34:36
I
34:36
was
34:36
first
34:37
listening
34:37
to
34:37
people
34:38
share
34:38
about
34:39
things
34:39
like
34:39
this
34:39
when
34:39
I
34:39
was
34:40
starting
34:40
out,
34:40
I'm
34:40
like,
34:40
yeah,
34:41
but
34:41
how
34:41
do
34:41
you
34:41
know
34:41
these
34:41
people?
34:42
How
34:42
does
34:42
it
34:42
work?
34:43
Just
34:43
keep
34:43
asking.
34:44
I
34:44
honed
34:45
in
34:45
on,
34:46
I
34:46
really
34:46
like
34:46
to
34:46
share
34:47
other
34:47
people's
34:47
books
34:48
as
34:48
much
34:48
as
34:48
mine.
34:49
And
34:49
the
34:49
way
34:49
that
34:49
I
34:50
do
34:50
that
34:50
is
34:50
when
34:50
I
34:51
do,
34:51
I
34:51
do
34:51
it
34:51
a
34:51
couple
34:52
ways.
34:52
But
34:52
one
34:52
of
34:52
the
34:53
most
34:53
popular
34:54
ways
34:54
and
34:54
frequent
34:55
ways
34:55
that
34:55
I
34:55
do
34:55
it
34:55
is
34:56
whenever
34:56
I
34:56
do
34:56
a
34:56
book
34:56
event,
34:57
I
34:57
reach
34:57
out
34:58
to
34:58
other
34:58
people
34:58
that
34:59
I'm
34:59
following
34:59
on
34:59
Instagram
35:00
and
35:00
whose
35:00
books
35:01
I
35:01
have
35:01
and
35:01
that
35:01
I
35:01
really
35:01
enjoyed,
35:02
or
35:03
if
35:03
they're
35:03
dog
35:03
or
35:04
aviation
35:04
Saint.
35:05
I
35:05
definitely
35:05
hone
35:05
in
35:06
on
35:06
that
35:06
to
35:06
try
35:06
to
35:06
keep
35:07
some
35:07
consistency
35:08
with
35:08
my
35:08
events.
35:09
But
35:09
I
35:10
say,
35:10
hey,
35:10
do
35:10
you
35:10
want
35:10
to
35:11
send
35:11
me
35:11
one
35:11
or
35:11
two
35:11
of
35:11
your
35:12
books?
35:12
And
35:12
then
35:13
I
35:13
offer
35:13
at
35:14
my
35:14
event,
35:15
purchase
35:15
my
35:15
book.
35:16
And
35:16
then
35:16
I
35:16
have
35:16
a
35:17
little
35:17
free
35:17
library
35:18
and
35:18
you
35:18
can
35:18
choose
35:18
any
35:19
one
35:19
of
35:19
these
35:19
for
35:19
free.
35:20
And
35:20
I
35:20
invite
35:20
them
35:20
to
35:20
include
35:21
their
35:21
business
35:21
card
35:21
or
35:22
discount
35:22
code
35:22
for
35:23
their
35:23
website.
35:24
Another
35:24
way
35:24
that
35:25
I've
35:25
done
35:25
that
35:25
is
35:26
some
35:26
folks
35:26
get
35:27
send
35:27
me
35:27
like
35:27
a
35:28
stack
35:28
like
35:28
10
35:28
to
35:29
20
35:29
books
35:29
and
35:30
then
35:30
they
35:30
just
35:30
print
35:31
out
35:31
something
35:31
on
35:32
Canva.
35:32
That
35:32
includes
35:34
a
35:34
bit
35:34
about
35:35
them,
35:35
their
35:35
books,
35:36
and
35:36
the
35:36
QR
35:37
code
35:37
for
35:37
their
35:37
Venmo.
35:38
So
35:38
when
35:38
I'm
35:39
at
35:39
the
35:39
event,
35:39
I
35:39
just
35:40
monitor
35:40
that
35:40
their
35:41
Venmo
35:41
goes
35:42
through,
35:42
and
35:42
then
35:42
I
35:43
don't
35:43
even
35:43
have
35:43
to
35:43
deal
35:43
with
35:43
the
35:44
money,
35:44
but
35:44
I'm
35:44
like,
35:45
selling
35:45
on
35:45
their
35:45
behalf
35:46
a
35:46
little.
35:46
Nice.
35:47
But
35:47
the
35:47
books
35:47
that
35:48
I
35:48
had
35:48
become
35:48
attracted
35:49
to,
35:49
when
35:50
I
35:50
knew
35:50
that
35:50
I
35:50
wanted
35:51
to
35:51
leave
35:51
my
35:51
hybrid
35:51
house
35:52
and
35:52
I
35:52
wanted
35:52
to
35:52
see
35:53
print
35:53
and
35:53
distribution
35:53
on
35:54
my
35:54
own
35:54
because
35:54
that
35:54
was
35:54
my
35:55
Achilles
35:55
heel,
35:56
I
35:56
just
35:56
started
35:57
to
35:57
really
35:57
look
35:57
at
35:58
the
35:58
authors
35:58
whose
35:59
books
35:59
I
35:59
really
36:00
liked,
36:00
and
36:00
I
36:00
thought
36:00
they
36:01
were
36:01
a
36:01
nice
36:01
quality.
36:02
So
36:02
I
36:02
started
36:02
to.
36:03
You
36:03
didn't
36:03
cut
36:03
through.
36:04
What
36:04
a
36:04
great
36:04
idea.
36:05
Yeah.
36:05
I
36:06
was
36:06
like,
36:06
okay,
36:06
I
36:06
like
36:07
this.
36:07
This
36:07
looks
36:08
great.
36:08
What
36:08
did
36:09
you
36:09
do
36:09
and
36:09
how
36:10
did
36:10
you
36:10
do?
36:10
And
36:10
you
36:10
can
36:11
get
36:11
sense
36:12
of
36:12
people's
36:13
demographic
36:14
a
36:14
little.
36:14
Like,
36:15
you
36:15
might
36:15
be
36:15
in
36:15
the
36:16
same
36:16
financial
36:16
wheelhouse
36:17
as
36:18
them,
36:18
or
36:18
it
36:19
looks
36:19
like
36:19
they
36:19
did
36:19
it
36:19
way
36:20
smarter
36:20
than
36:20
you.
36:21
Right.
36:21
Oh,
36:21
wow.
36:22
You
36:22
did
36:22
this
36:22
on
36:22
your
36:23
own.
36:23
So
36:23
for
36:23
me,
36:24
when
36:24
I
36:24
started
36:25
to
36:25
have
36:25
a
36:25
little
36:26
conversation
36:26
with
36:26
myself
36:27
when
36:27
I
36:27
was
36:27
having
36:27
these
36:28
printing
36:28
problems,
36:29
I
36:29
thought,
36:29
the
36:29
amount
36:30
of
36:30
time
36:30
that
36:31
I'm
36:31
putting
36:31
into
36:32
reshipping
36:32
these
36:33
back
36:33
and
36:33
submitting
36:33
for
36:34
new
36:34
ones,
36:35
I
36:35
could
36:35
just
36:36
learn
36:36
how
36:36
to
36:37
self
36:37
publish
36:38
and
36:38
just
36:38
do
36:38
this
36:39
on
36:39
my
36:39
own
36:40
again.
36:40
To
36:40
circle
36:41
back
36:41
to
36:41
Nathan
36:41
from
36:41
bubuki,
36:42
I
36:43
am
36:43
ordering
36:44
from
36:44
China,
36:45
and
36:45
I
36:45
know
36:45
that's
36:45
a
36:46
hot
36:46
topic,
36:46
but
36:47
I
36:47
am
36:47
making
36:48
the
36:48
leap.
36:48
I
36:49
done
36:49
four
36:50
printing
36:50
houses
36:50
in
36:50
the
36:50
United
36:51
States
36:51
and
36:51
every
36:51
one
36:51
of
36:52
them
36:52
gave
36:52
me
36:52
problem.
36:53
So
36:54
I'm
36:54
making
36:54
the
36:54
leap
36:55
and
36:55
I'm
36:55
doing
36:55
them
36:56
from
36:56
China.
36:57
However,
36:58
now,
36:58
some
36:58
folks
36:58
who
36:59
do
36:59
that,
36:59
you
36:59
deal
37:00
directly
37:00
with
37:00
China,
37:01
so
37:01
there's
37:01
some
37:01
challenges
37:02
with
37:02
time
37:02
zone
37:03
and
37:03
language
37:03
barrier.
37:04
Most
37:04
people
37:05
seem
37:05
to
37:06
motor
37:06
through
37:06
that
37:06
just
37:07
fine.
37:07
However,
37:08
Nathan
37:09
provides
37:09
as
37:09
a
37:10
liaison
37:10
for
37:11
that,
37:11
so
37:11
he's
37:12
ordering
37:12
it
37:12
for
37:12
me
37:13
and
37:13
submitting
37:13
the
37:14
files
37:14
for
37:14
me.
37:15
Interesting.
37:16
Yeah.
37:16
So,
37:16
I
37:16
mean,
37:16
if
37:17
you
37:17
want
37:17
someone
37:17
to
37:17
still
37:18
do
37:18
it
37:18
for
37:19
you,
37:19
you'll
37:19
have
37:20
the
37:20
final
37:20
approval.
37:21
And
37:21
then
37:21
he's
37:21
super
37:22
reassuring
37:22
too,
37:22
just
37:23
like
37:23
yourself.
37:23
You
37:24
were
37:24
saying,
37:24
like,
37:25
if
37:25
you
37:25
get
37:25
your
37:25
first
37:26
order
37:26
prints
37:26
and
37:26
there's
37:27
still
37:27
something
37:27
that's
37:28
off
37:28
or
37:28
God
37:29
forbid,
37:29
you
37:29
missed
37:30
a
37:30
period,
37:30
like,
37:30
you
37:30
don't
37:30
need
37:31
to
37:31
go
37:31
up
37:31
the
37:31
deep
37:31
end.
37:32
We'll
37:32
fix
37:32
it
37:32
and
37:32
we'll
37:32
do
37:32
it
37:33
for
37:33
the
37:33
next
37:33
batch.
37:34
It's
37:34
just
37:35
like,
37:35
really
37:35
inviting
37:36
for
37:36
us.
37:37
I'd
37:37
like
37:37
to
37:37
jump
37:38
into
37:39
your
37:39
website.
37:40
Of
37:41
course.
37:41
I've
37:41
been
37:41
on
37:41
your
37:42
website.
37:42
I
37:42
have
37:42
it
37:42
in
37:43
front
37:43
of
37:43
me,
37:44
and
37:45
I
37:45
like
37:45
how
37:45
you've
37:46
incorporated
37:46
yourself
37:47
in
37:47
it,
37:48
which
37:48
is
37:48
fantastic.
37:49
It's
37:49
so
37:50
fun
37:50
and
37:50
with
37:50
the
37:50
dogs
37:51
and
37:51
everything
37:52
like
37:52
that.
37:53
So
37:54
again,
37:55
when
37:55
we
37:55
first
37:56
started
37:56
and
37:57
we
37:57
wrote
37:57
our
37:57
first
37:58
book,
37:58
we
37:59
were
37:59
just
37:59
about
38:00
ready
38:00
to
38:00
bring
38:01
it
38:01
to
38:01
market
38:01
and
38:02
somebody
38:02
said,
38:03
oh,
38:03
have
38:03
you
38:03
got
38:03
a
38:04
home
38:04
for
38:04
your
38:04
book?
38:04
And
38:05
I
38:05
said,
38:05
what
38:05
do
38:06
you
38:06
mean
38:06
a
38:06
home
38:06
for
38:06
our
38:07
book?
38:07
They
38:08
said,
38:08
have
38:08
you
38:08
got
38:08
a
38:09
website?
38:09
And
38:09
I
38:09
said,
38:09
oh
38:10
no,
38:10
I
38:10
don't
38:11
have
38:11
a
38:11
website.
38:11
So
38:12
we
38:12
ended
38:12
up
38:13
developing
38:13
our
38:13
website
38:14
after
38:14
we
38:15
launched
38:15
our
38:15
book.
38:16
So
38:16
tell
38:16
us
38:17
your
38:17
story
38:17
about
38:18
your
38:18
website
38:19
and
38:20
did
38:20
you
38:20
launch
38:21
it
38:21
before
38:22
your
38:22
book?
38:23
After
38:23
your
38:23
book?
38:24
And
38:24
what
38:25
changes
38:25
have
38:25
you
38:25
made
38:26
to
38:26
your
38:26
website
38:26
as
38:27
you
38:27
moved
38:27
into
38:28
your
38:28
second
38:28
book?
38:29
Okay,
38:30
so
38:30
the
38:30
first
38:30
is
38:31
I
38:31
was
38:31
encouraged
38:32
through
38:32
my
38:32
hybrid
38:33
publishing
38:33
house
38:34
to
38:34
create
38:35
a
38:35
website.
38:36
And
38:36
so
38:36
the
38:36
way
38:36
my
38:37
hybrid
38:37
publishing
38:38
house
38:38
worked,
38:39
which
38:39
I
38:39
liked,
38:40
we
38:41
did
38:41
some
38:41
zoom
38:42
meetings
38:42
like
38:42
this
38:43
and
38:43
they
38:43
would
38:43
say,
38:44
hey,
38:44
okay,
38:44
so
38:44
you're
38:45
three
38:45
months
38:45
out
38:46
from
38:46
your
38:46
launch.
38:46
This
38:47
is
38:47
a
38:47
checklist
38:47
of
38:48
things
38:48
that
38:48
you
38:49
might
38:49
want
38:49
to
38:49
start
38:50
considering
38:50
doing.
38:51
You
38:51
can
38:51
do
38:51
or
38:51
not
38:52
do
38:52
whatever
38:52
you
38:52
want.
38:52
But
38:53
we
38:53
would
38:53
recommend
38:54
a
38:54
website
38:55
creating
38:55
a
38:56
launch
38:56
team
38:57
for
38:57
the
38:57
day
38:58
and
38:58
you
38:58
know,
38:59
trying
38:59
to
38:59
get
38:59
as
38:59
many
39:00
reviews
39:00
and
39:00
other
39:00
people
39:00
to
39:01
share
39:01
about
39:01
your
39:01
book
39:02
so
39:02
it's
39:02
not
39:02
just
39:02
all
39:03
on
39:03
you,
39:03
etc.
39:04
I,
39:05
I
39:06
reached
39:06
out
39:06
to
39:06
a
39:06
friend
39:07
of
39:07
mine
39:07
who
39:07
I
39:07
knew
39:08
was
39:08
an
39:08
author,
39:09
a
39:09
completely
39:09
different
39:10
other
39:10
genre
39:11
and
39:11
she
39:11
told
39:11
me
39:11
who
39:12
she
39:12
had
39:12
to
39:12
help
39:13
for
39:13
her
39:13
website.
39:14
So
39:15
I
39:15
knew
39:15
I
39:15
needed
39:16
help.
39:16
I.
39:17
It
39:17
was
39:17
the
39:17
same
39:17
thing
39:17
with
39:18
the
39:18
hybrid
39:18
house.
39:18
At
39:19
this
39:19
point
39:19
I'm
39:19
back
39:19
to
39:20
flying
39:20
out
39:20
of.
39:21
I'm
39:21
out
39:21
of
39:21
the
39:21
COVID
39:22
bubble
39:22
and
39:23
I
39:23
thought
39:23
there's
39:24
no
39:24
way
39:24
I
39:24
can
39:24
sustain
39:25
traveling
39:26
and
39:26
doing
39:26
this
39:27
website.
39:27
No,
39:28
that's
39:28
just
39:29
me,
39:29
right?
39:30
Tons
39:30
of
39:30
other
39:31
author
39:31
pilots
39:31
that
39:32
do
39:32
it
39:32
all.
39:32
But
39:32
I
39:33
also
39:33
like
39:33
sanity.
39:34
So
39:35
I
39:35
like
39:35
to
39:35
read
39:36
and
39:36
I
39:36
like
39:36
to
39:36
relax
39:37
and
39:37
I
39:37
like
39:37
to
39:37
hike
39:37
with
39:37
my
39:38
dogs.
39:38
I
39:38
try
39:38
to
39:38
balance
39:39
all
39:39
that
39:39
and
39:39
I
39:39
just
39:40
knew
39:40
that
39:40
it
39:40
would
39:40
afford
39:41
me
39:41
time.
39:42
I
39:42
reached
39:42
out
39:42
to
39:43
a
39:43
woman
39:43
who
39:43
does
39:43
website
39:44
design
39:45
and
39:45
we
39:45
did
39:45
a
39:45
lot
39:46
of
39:46
zoom
39:46
meetings
39:46
like
39:47
this
39:47
and
39:47
she
39:47
showed
39:47
me
39:48
how
39:48
to
39:48
do
39:48
things.
39:49
However,
39:50
do
39:50
not
39:50
take
39:51
that
39:51
as
39:52
Erin
39:52
knows
39:52
what
39:53
she's
39:53
doing
39:53
on
39:53
her
39:53
website
39:54
because
39:54
every
39:55
time
39:55
I
39:55
have
39:55
to
39:55
do
39:56
something,
39:56
it's
39:57
the
39:57
same
39:57
feeling
39:57
as
39:58
the
39:58
ISBN
39:58
and
39:58
the
39:59
barcodes.
39:59
I
39:59
do
40:00
have
40:00
angst
40:00
about
40:01
it.
40:01
I
40:01
ultimately
40:02
get
40:02
it
40:02
done.
40:02
It
40:03
does
40:03
take
40:03
me
40:03
a
40:03
bananas
40:04
amount
40:05
of
40:05
time
40:05
to
40:05
do
40:05
it.
40:06
I'm
40:06
not
40:06
efficient
40:07
at
40:07
it,
40:08
so
40:08
I
40:08
don't
40:09
really
40:09
like
40:09
it.
40:10
And
40:10
in
40:10
fact,
40:10
when
40:10
I
40:10
get
40:11
my.
40:11
So
40:12
my
40:12
second
40:12
edition
40:12
books
40:13
will
40:13
be
40:13
available
40:14
towards
40:14
the
40:15
end
40:15
of
40:15
February.
40:15
So
40:16
this
40:16
Week
40:16
is
40:16
on
40:17
my
40:17
to
40:17
do
40:17
list
40:17
to
40:18
tackle
40:18
some
40:18
things
40:19
about
40:19
my
40:19
website
40:20
and
40:21
some
40:21
critiques
40:21
I
40:22
have
40:22
for
40:22
myself.
40:23
I
40:23
feel
40:23
like
40:24
I
40:24
have
40:24
too
40:24
many
40:25
offerings.
40:25
Like
40:26
I
40:26
just
40:26
want
40:26
to
40:26
offer.
40:27
I'm
40:28
like.
40:28
And
40:28
even
40:28
my
40:28
print
40:29
form,
40:29
I
40:29
just
40:30
want
40:30
hardcover
40:30
books.
40:31
And
40:31
I
40:31
know
40:31
there's
40:32
a
40:32
lot
40:32
of
40:32
conversation
40:33
about
40:33
having
40:33
some
40:33
soft
40:34
covers.
40:34
I
40:35
do
40:35
have
40:35
the
40:35
halfway
40:36
home
40:36
coloring
40:36
book
40:37
that
40:37
also
40:37
has
40:37
the
40:38
story
40:38
text
40:38
in
40:39
it
40:39
and
40:39
that's
40:40
my
40:40
soft
40:40
cover.
40:40
And
40:41
I
40:41
do
40:41
have
40:41
some
40:41
leftover
40:42
first
40:42
edition
40:43
soft
40:43
covers.
40:43
But
40:44
I
40:44
just
40:44
want
40:44
the
40:45
book
40:45
and
40:45
then
40:45
the
40:46
option.
40:46
I'm
40:46
not
40:47
going
40:47
to
40:47
upsell
40:47
a
40:48
charge
40:48
anymore
40:49
for
40:49
signed
40:49
copies
40:50
and
40:51
all
40:51
honesty,
40:51
I
40:51
do
40:51
that
40:52
anyway.
40:53
I
40:53
put
40:53
a
40:53
lot
40:53
of.
40:54
In
40:54
lack
40:55
of
40:55
a
40:55
better
40:55
word,
40:55
I
40:55
do
40:56
put
40:56
a
40:56
lot
40:56
of
40:56
love
40:57
and
40:58
effort
40:58
into
40:59
my
40:59
packaging
40:59
and
41:00
my
41:00
presentation.
41:00
When
41:01
people
41:01
order
41:01
from
41:01
my
41:02
website
41:02
that
41:03
it
41:03
doesn't
41:04
really
41:04
matter
41:04
if
41:05
you
41:05
want
41:05
it
41:05
signed,
41:06
I'll
41:06
just.
41:06
I'm
41:06
just
41:06
going
41:06
to
41:07
streamline
41:07
it
41:08
for
41:08
sure.
41:09
Because
41:09
sometimes
41:10
I've
41:10
seen
41:10
people
41:10
go
41:10
on
41:11
and
41:11
they
41:11
do
41:11
get
41:11
a
41:11
little
41:11
confused.
41:12
Wait,
41:12
what
41:12
book
41:13
is
41:13
this?
41:13
And
41:13
this
41:13
is
41:13
a
41:14
soft
41:14
cover.
41:15
Okay,
41:15
this
41:15
is
41:15
soft
41:16
cover.
41:16
Hard.
41:17
This
41:17
is
41:17
a
41:17
signed
41:17
one.
41:18
It's
41:18
just
41:18
like
41:19
too
41:19
many
41:19
options.
41:20
And
41:20
we
41:20
live
41:21
in
41:21
such
41:21
a
41:21
32nd
41:22
world,
41:23
right?
41:23
We're
41:24
all
41:24
30
41:25
seconds
41:25
that
41:25
no
41:25
one
41:26
really
41:26
outside
41:27
of
41:27
someone
41:27
like
41:27
yourself
41:28
who's
41:28
going
41:28
to
41:28
do
41:29
a
41:29
podcast.
41:30
Most
41:30
of
41:30
us
41:31
don't
41:31
really
41:31
comb
41:31
over
41:32
each
41:32
other's
41:32
websites
41:33
like
41:33
that
41:33
anymore.
41:33
I
41:34
just
41:34
don't
41:34
think
41:34
that's
41:34
how
41:34
it's
41:35
communicated.
41:35
So
41:36
streamline
41:36
mine.
41:37
Tell
41:37
us
41:38
because
41:38
you
41:38
said
41:38
you
41:39
were
41:39
talking
41:39
about
41:39
your
41:39
offerings
41:40
and
41:40
I
41:40
want
41:41
to
41:41
share
41:41
this
41:41
with
41:42
people
41:42
is
41:43
because
41:44
some
41:44
authors
41:45
that
41:45
I've
41:45
interviewed,
41:46
they've
41:47
just
41:47
had
41:47
a
41:47
straight
41:48
website.
41:49
They
41:49
don't
41:50
have
41:50
a
41:50
store
41:51
like
41:51
you
41:51
have
41:51
a
41:51
store
41:52
on
41:52
your
41:52
website.
41:53
But
41:54
I've
41:54
also
41:55
interviewed
41:55
a
41:55
couple
41:55
authors
41:56
who
41:56
actually
41:57
after
41:57
I
41:57
started
41:58
reaching
41:59
out
41:59
to
41:59
them,
42:00
they
42:00
went
42:00
from
42:01
no
42:02
store
42:02
to
42:03
a
42:03
store.
42:04
So
42:04
tell
42:04
us
42:04
a
42:04
little
42:05
bit,
42:05
because
42:05
you
42:05
talked
42:06
about
42:06
the
42:06
offerings
42:07
and
42:07
I
42:07
noticed
42:07
you
42:07
have
42:07
a
42:08
fairly
42:09
comprehensive.
42:10
So
42:10
tell
42:10
us
42:11
a
42:11
little
42:11
bit
42:11
about
42:11
that.
42:12
That
42:12
really
42:13
is
42:13
credited
42:13
to
42:14
the
42:14
person
42:14
who
42:14
I
42:14
have
42:15
helped
42:15
move
42:15
my
42:15
website.
42:16
When
42:16
I
42:16
really
42:16
get
42:17
stuck
42:17
or
42:17
stumped,
42:18
I
42:18
will
42:19
probably
42:19
pay
42:19
her.
42:20
It's
42:20
like
42:20
an
42:20
a
42:20
la
42:20
carte
42:21
thing.
42:21
I
42:21
might
42:21
pay
42:21
her
42:22
two
42:22
hours
42:22
and
42:22
say
42:23
I'm
42:23
looking
42:24
to
42:24
have
42:24
X,
42:24
Y
42:25
and
42:25
Z
42:25
offered
42:25
and
42:26
just
42:26
cleaned
42:26
up.
42:26
But
42:27
the
42:27
way
42:27
she
42:27
has
42:27
it
42:28
set
42:28
up
42:28
now
42:28
in
42:28
the
42:29
bookstore,
42:29
I
42:29
can
42:30
go
42:30
in.
42:30
So
42:30
I
42:30
use
42:30
Squarespace
42:31
to
42:32
give
42:32
folks
42:33
a
42:33
point
42:33
of
42:33
reference
42:34
here.
42:34
So
42:34
I
42:34
go
42:34
on
42:35
to
42:35
spare
42:35
Squarespace
42:36
and
42:36
then
42:36
I
42:37
checked
42:37
on
42:37
Clicked
42:38
on
42:38
website
42:39
and
42:39
then
42:39
I'm
42:40
going
42:40
to
42:40
go
42:40
to
42:40
my
42:40
bookstore
42:41
and
42:41
I'm
42:41
going
42:41
to
42:41
hit
42:42
edit.
42:42
And
42:42
then
42:42
in
42:42
there
42:43
it
42:43
had
42:43
all
42:43
my
42:44
items.
42:44
So
42:44
right
42:44
now
42:45
I'm
42:45
probably
42:45
going
42:45
to
42:45
go
42:46
in
42:46
and
42:46
you
42:47
can
42:47
either
42:47
make
42:47
them
42:48
live
42:48
or
42:49
hide
42:49
some
42:49
of
42:50
your
42:50
items.
42:51
I'm
42:51
probably
42:51
going
42:51
to
42:52
hide
42:53
my
42:53
unsigned
42:54
copies.
42:54
I'm
42:55
just
42:55
going
42:55
to
42:55
make
42:55
everything
42:56
a
42:56
signed
42:56
copy
42:57
available
42:57
option.
42:58
So
42:58
that
42:58
way
42:59
that
42:59
will,
43:00
for
43:00
those
43:00
who
43:01
don't
43:01
know
43:01
that
43:01
from
43:02
on
43:02
my
43:02
Squarespace
43:03
website,
43:04
it'll
43:04
give
43:04
the
43:04
pop
43:05
up
43:05
that
43:05
says,
43:05
hey,
43:06
do
43:06
you
43:06
want
43:06
to
43:06
have
43:07
this
43:07
signed
43:07
to
43:08
a
43:08
specific
43:08
individual.
43:10
That'S
43:10
coming
43:10
directly
43:11
from
43:11
you?
43:12
Correct.
43:13
Yeah.
43:13
The
43:13
other
43:14
merchandise
43:14
that
43:14
you
43:15
have
43:15
on
43:15
your
43:15
website,
43:16
like
43:16
I
43:16
notice
43:16
you
43:16
have
43:17
a
43:17
cool
43:18
Facebook
43:18
cap
43:19
and
43:19
stuff
43:19
like
43:19
that.
43:20
Now
43:21
how
43:21
is
43:21
that
43:22
getting
43:23
to
43:23
the
43:23
consumer?
43:24
Same.
43:25
I
43:25
ship
43:25
it.
43:26
I
43:26
just
43:26
like
43:26
those
43:27
hats
43:27
are
43:27
ordered
43:28
from.
43:28
There's
43:28
a
43:28
local
43:29
company
43:29
here
43:29
in
43:29
Pennsylvania
43:30
that
43:30
I
43:30
met
43:30
from
43:31
a
43:31
networking.
43:31
And
43:32
then
43:32
the
43:32
other
43:32
ones,
43:33
they're
43:33
just,
43:33
I
43:33
just
43:34
ordered
43:34
them
43:34
on
43:34
Vistaprint.
43:35
So
43:36
you
43:36
never
43:36
thought
43:37
about
43:37
Printful
43:38
or
43:39
Spotify,
43:40
Shopify
43:42
those
43:42
services.
43:43
And
43:43
I
43:43
guess
43:44
the
43:44
only
43:44
reason
43:44
why
43:44
is
43:45
because
43:45
those
43:45
hats
43:45
are
43:46
new
43:46
within
43:46
the
43:46
last
43:47
couple
43:47
months
43:48
on
43:48
there.
43:48
And
43:48
so
43:48
I
43:49
don't
43:49
think
43:49
they've
43:49
gotten
43:49
enough
43:50
traction
43:50
yet.
43:51
So
43:51
once
43:51
I
43:52
start
43:52
seeing
43:52
them
43:53
go
43:53
and,
43:53
and
43:54
plus
43:55
once
43:55
I,
43:55
if,
43:56
and
43:56
once
43:56
I
43:56
start
43:56
to
43:57
feel
43:57
overwhelmed
43:57
shipping
43:58
them
43:58
from
43:58
home,
43:59
I
43:59
might
43:59
look
44:00
into
44:00
that.
44:00
But
44:00
at
44:00
the
44:01
moment
44:01
I
44:01
don't
44:01
mind
44:02
shipping.
44:02
It's
44:02
okay.
44:03
You're,
44:03
you're
44:04
actually
44:04
buying
44:04
the
44:05
merchandise.
44:06
I
44:06
am.
44:06
Wholesale.
44:07
And
44:07
then
44:08
you're
44:08
shipping
44:08
it
44:08
out
44:09
as
44:09
the
44:09
orders
44:09
come
44:09
in.
44:10
Correct.
44:11
Okay.
44:11
Okay,
44:12
great.
44:12
Good
44:13
to
44:13
know.
44:13
And
44:13
again
44:14
to
44:14
the
44:14
listeners,
44:15
there's
44:15
all
44:15
kinds
44:15
of
44:15
different
44:16
options
44:16
and
44:17
you've
44:17
got
44:17
Shopify,
44:18
you've
44:18
got
44:18
Printful,
44:19
you've
44:20
got
44:20
exactly
44:21
what
44:21
Aaron's
44:21
doing.
44:22
It's
44:22
interesting
44:23
how
44:23
it
44:23
develops.
44:24
Yes.
44:24
And
44:25
what
44:25
I
44:25
also
44:25
like
44:25
about
44:26
just
44:26
having
44:26
my
44:27
own
44:27
stock
44:27
too
44:27
is
44:28
I,
44:28
in
44:28
my
44:28
mind
44:29
those
44:29
hats
44:30
are
44:30
a
44:30
little
44:30
bit
44:30
new
44:30
and
44:31
I'm
44:31
going
44:31
to
44:31
test
44:31
them
44:32
out
44:32
a
44:32
little
44:32
bit
44:32
more
44:32
this
44:33
spring.
44:33
I
44:33
have
44:33
some
44:34
events
44:34
coming
44:35
up
44:35
to
44:35
support
44:35
my
44:35
second
44:36
editions.
44:37
I
44:37
just
44:37
like
44:37
to
44:37
sell
44:37
them
44:38
in,
44:38
in
44:38
person
44:39
and
44:39
that
44:40
deletes
44:40
the
44:40
whole
44:41
shipping
44:41
information.
44:42
And
44:42
people
44:42
like
44:42
to
44:42
get
44:43
their
44:43
hands
44:43
on
44:43
them
44:44
a
44:44
little
44:44
bit.
44:44
I
44:44
do
44:44
too.
44:45
I
44:45
order
44:45
things
44:46
online
44:46
all
44:47
the
44:47
time.
44:47
And
44:47
then
44:47
I've
44:48
been
44:48
also
44:48
like,
44:48
geez,
44:49
I
44:49
really
44:49
should
44:49
have
44:50
looked
44:50
at
44:50
this
44:50
first.
44:51
And
44:52
if
44:52
you
44:52
can
44:52
get
44:52
things
44:52
in
44:52
people's
44:53
hands
44:53
too,
44:54
it
44:54
equates
44:55
to
44:55
a
44:55
better
44:55
chance
44:56
of
44:56
a
44:56
sell
44:56
rather
44:57
than
44:57
just
44:57
like
44:57
a
44:57
picture
44:58
of
44:58
a
44:58
hat.
44:58
I'm
44:59
also
44:59
interested.
45:00
I
45:00
know
45:00
you've
45:00
talked
45:00
about
45:01
Zeke,
45:02
I
45:02
know
45:02
you've
45:02
talked
45:03
about
45:04
volunteering
45:04
through
45:05
the
45:05
SPCA
45:06
and
45:06
then
45:06
eventually
45:07
helping
45:08
unload
45:09
the
45:09
dogs
45:10
and
45:10
cats.
45:11
Is
45:11
there
45:12
other
45:12
motivation
45:13
in
45:13
your
45:13
life
45:13
that
45:14
is
45:14
there
45:15
like
45:15
a
45:15
person
45:16
that
45:16
motivated
45:17
you
45:17
to
45:17
be,
45:18
to
45:18
want
45:18
to
45:18
be
45:19
a
45:19
children's
45:19
book
45:20
author
45:20
or
45:20
was
45:21
there
45:21
an
45:21
event
45:22
or
45:23
have
45:23
you
45:23
already
45:23
described
45:24
that?
45:25
I
45:25
guess
45:25
it
45:25
would
45:25
really
45:26
just
45:26
be
45:27
the
45:27
dogs.
45:28
I
45:28
mean
45:28
it's
45:28
silly
45:28
and
45:29
kind
45:29
of
45:29
cliche.
45:30
Like
45:30
everyone
45:30
said
45:30
who
45:31
rescued
45:31
who
45:32
and
45:32
they
45:32
really
45:32
have
45:33
become
45:33
such
45:33
an
45:33
integral
45:34
role
45:34
in
45:34
my
45:35
husband's
45:35
life.
45:36
And
45:36
it
45:36
had
45:37
just
45:37
adopting
45:38
them
45:39
lent
45:39
itself
45:40
to
45:40
me
45:41
volunteering
45:42
more.
45:42
And
45:42
then
45:43
we
45:43
started
45:43
to
45:43
foster
45:44
dogs
45:44
in
45:45
between
45:45
Zeke
45:46
and
45:46
then
45:46
our
45:46
current,
45:47
our
45:47
second
45:47
current
45:47
dog,
45:48
who
45:48
we've
45:48
only
45:48
had
45:48
for
45:48
a
45:48
year,
45:49
Dexter.
45:49
So
45:49
we
45:50
fostered
45:50
about
45:50
10
45:51
dogs
45:51
because
45:52
I
45:52
was
45:52
seeing
45:52
as
45:52
we're
45:52
unloading
45:53
these
45:53
animals,
45:54
the
45:54
shelter
45:55
that
45:55
I
45:55
volunteer
45:56
with
45:56
is
45:56
really
45:57
a
45:57
lovely
45:57
facility.
45:58
However,
45:59
I've
45:59
also
46:00
become
46:00
to
46:00
know
46:01
part
46:01
of
46:01
the
46:01
reason
46:01
these
46:02
transports
46:02
are
46:02
happening
46:03
is
46:03
some
46:04
of
46:04
these
46:04
other
46:04
shelters
46:05
are
46:05
understaffed
46:06
and
46:06
overwhelmed
46:08
with
46:08
numbers
46:09
of
46:09
animals.
46:10
I
46:10
just
46:10
thought,
46:11
I
46:12
really
46:12
think
46:12
that
46:13
I
46:13
wish
46:13
someone
46:13
told
46:13
me
46:14
this
46:14
when
46:14
I
46:14
was
46:14
younger
46:15
kind
46:15
of
46:16
feeling.
46:16
I
46:16
know
46:16
a
46:16
lot
46:17
of
46:17
middle
46:17
aged
46:17
people
46:17
come
46:18
to
46:18
this.
46:18
Geez,
46:18
I
46:18
wish
46:19
I
46:19
knew
46:19
this
46:19
and
46:19
I
46:19
would
46:20
love
46:20
to
46:20
impart
46:20
it
46:20
upon
46:21
someone.
46:21
I
46:21
would
46:22
love
46:22
for.
46:22
I
46:23
tiptoe
46:23
around
46:24
like
46:24
the
46:25
overpopulation
46:26
stuff
46:26
a
46:26
little
46:26
bit
46:27
because
46:27
it's.
46:28
I
46:28
personally
46:28
feel
46:29
like
46:29
it's
46:29
a
46:29
conversation
46:29
for
46:30
parents
46:30
to
46:30
have,
46:31
not
46:31
for
46:31
me.
46:32
So
46:32
I
46:32
always
46:32
just
46:32
say
46:33
shelters
46:33
that
46:33
are
46:33
overcrowded
46:35
and
46:35
I
46:35
don't
46:35
really
46:35
touch
46:36
euthanasia.
46:37
But
46:37
ultimately
46:37
that
46:38
is
46:38
what's
46:38
happening.
46:39
So
46:39
I
46:40
just
46:40
hope
46:40
that
46:40
the
46:41
conversation
46:41
can
46:42
get
46:42
bigger
46:42
through
46:42
my
46:43
books.
46:43
And
46:43
the
46:43
one
46:43
thing
46:44
I
46:44
noticed
46:44
also
46:45
that
46:45
you've
46:45
got
46:46
a
46:46
component
46:47
of
46:47
donation
46:48
with
46:48
purchases
46:49
in
46:49
packaging
46:50
through
46:50
your
46:51
online
46:51
bookstore.
46:52
So
46:52
I
46:53
forgot
46:53
to
46:53
ask
46:53
you
46:53
about
46:54
that.
46:54
I
46:54
don't
46:54
want
46:54
to
46:54
really
46:55
miss
46:55
that
46:56
a
46:56
little
46:56
bit
46:56
about
46:57
that
46:58
donation
46:58
component
46:59
because
46:59
you're
46:59
already
47:00
giving
47:00
of
47:00
your
47:01
time,
47:01
which
47:01
is,
47:02
I
47:02
think
47:03
if
47:03
you
47:03
asked
47:04
most
47:05
charities,
47:05
like
47:06
you
47:06
said,
47:06
they're
47:07
generally
47:08
understaffed.
47:09
So
47:09
when
47:09
someone
47:10
gives
47:10
up
47:11
their
47:11
time,
47:11
it
47:12
tends
47:12
to
47:12
be
47:12
much
47:12
more
47:13
meaningful
47:13
than
47:14
somebody
47:14
giving
47:15
me
47:15
five
47:15
bucks
47:16
and
47:16
saying
47:16
bye.
47:17
Tell
47:17
us
47:18
a
47:18
little
47:18
bit
47:18
about
47:19
you
47:19
because
47:19
you're
47:19
doing
47:19
both.
47:20
Tell
47:20
us
47:20
a
47:20
little
47:20
bit
47:21
about
47:21
that.
47:21
I
47:22
couldn't
47:22
be
47:23
more
47:23
glad
47:23
for
47:24
you
47:24
to
47:24
ask
47:24
that
47:24
question
47:25
because
47:25
again,
47:25
it's
47:26
something
47:26
else
47:26
that
47:26
has
47:27
evolved.
47:27
So
47:28
I
47:28
was
47:28
just
47:28
so
47:29
personally
47:30
touched
47:30
and
47:30
moved.
47:31
Like
47:31
literally
47:32
the
47:32
first
47:32
time
47:32
I
47:33
volunteered
47:33
at
47:33
the
47:34
airport
47:34
with
47:34
the
47:34
animal
47:35
Air
47:35
Rescue
47:35
flight,
47:36
it
47:36
was
47:36
Covid
47:37
so
47:37
we
47:37
had
47:37
the
47:38
masks
47:38
on
47:38
and
47:38
I
47:38
didn't
47:39
really
47:39
know
47:39
anyone.
47:39
It
47:39
was
47:40
at
47:40
least
47:41
in
47:41
this
47:41
realm
47:42
of
47:42
this
47:43
area
47:43
of
47:43
volunteerism,
47:44
I
47:44
was
47:44
new,
47:45
so
47:45
we
47:45
all
47:45
kept
47:45
to
47:45
ourselves
47:46
is
47:46
my
47:46
point.
47:47
But
47:48
I
47:48
have
47:49
gotten
47:49
to
47:49
know
47:49
some
47:49
of
47:49
the
47:50
other
47:50
volunteers
47:50
and
47:51
I'm
47:51
not
47:51
the
47:51
only
47:51
one
47:51
that
47:52
when
47:52
they
47:52
opened
47:52
up
47:53
that
47:53
cargo
47:54
door
47:54
and
47:54
I
47:54
saw
47:55
all
47:55
those
47:55
animals,
47:56
I
47:56
was
47:56
seriously
47:57
choked
47:57
up.
47:57
I
47:58
thought,
47:58
what
47:58
is
47:59
happening
47:59
here
47:59
to
47:59
these
48:00
animals?
48:00
Oh
48:01
my
48:01
gosh,
48:01
this
48:02
is
48:02
crazy,
48:03
right?
48:03
And
48:03
so
48:03
I'm
48:03
not
48:04
the
48:04
only
48:04
one
48:04
that
48:05
got
48:05
choked
48:05
up
48:06
the
48:06
first
48:06
time,
48:06
like
48:06
now
48:07
that
48:07
we've
48:07
all
48:07
shared.
48:07
Oh
48:07
yeah,
48:08
I
48:08
remember
48:08
my
48:08
first
48:08
flight.
48:09
I
48:09
thought,
48:09
oh
48:10
my
48:10
God,
48:10
we
48:10
gotta
48:10
save
48:11
these
48:11
animals.
48:11
And
48:11
you
48:12
get
48:12
really
48:12
motivated.
48:13
So
48:14
I
48:14
felt
48:14
like
48:15
I
48:15
wanted
48:15
to
48:15
give
48:15
back
48:16
more.
48:16
I.
48:17
My
48:17
thoughts
48:18
have
48:18
graduated
48:19
and
48:19
evolved.
48:20
Two
48:20
things
48:21
I
48:21
all
48:21
the
48:22
other
48:22
authors
48:22
that
48:22
I
48:23
really
48:23
like
48:23
to
48:23
share
48:23
and
48:24
promote,
48:24
I
48:25
started
48:25
to
48:25
play
48:25
with
48:25
this
48:26
year
48:26
and
48:26
it
48:26
was
48:27
really
48:27
successful.
48:28
So
48:29
starting
48:29
this
48:29
year,
48:30
I'm
48:30
going
48:30
to
48:30
stop
48:30
the
48:31
$2
48:31
donation
48:33
and
48:33
for
48:34
the
48:34
exact
48:34
reason
48:35
you
48:35
just
48:35
said.
48:35
I'm
48:35
already
48:36
giving
48:36
of
48:36
my
48:37
time
48:37
and
48:37
I'm
48:37
already
48:38
sharing
48:38
their
48:38
message.
48:39
I
48:39
have
48:39
their
48:40
a
48:40
back
48:40
matter
48:41
sheet
48:41
in
48:41
both
48:41
of
48:42
my
48:42
books
48:42
that
48:42
have
48:43
the
48:43
websites
48:43
and
48:44
how
48:44
people
48:44
can
48:44
learn
48:44
more
48:45
and
48:45
contribute
48:45
to
48:45
the
48:46
air
48:46
rescues
48:47
and
48:47
the
48:47
shelter
48:48
that
48:48
hosts
48:48
them
48:48
in
48:49
Pennsylvania.
48:50
So
48:50
that
48:51
I'm
48:51
just
48:51
learning
48:52
to
48:52
leave
48:52
as
48:53
my
48:53
source
48:53
of
48:53
giving.
48:54
But
48:54
what
48:54
I'm
48:55
going
48:55
to
48:55
switch
48:55
it
48:55
up
48:56
to
48:56
is,
48:56
and
48:57
I
48:57
did
48:57
it
48:57
once
48:57
this
48:58
year,
48:58
I
48:59
ask
48:59
other
49:00
authors
49:00
again
49:01
to
49:01
send
49:01
me
49:01
one
49:02
or
49:02
two
49:02
copies
49:02
of
49:02
the
49:03
books
49:03
and
49:04
I
49:04
like
49:04
auction
49:05
sell
49:05
them.
49:05
So
49:06
I
49:06
have
49:06
this
49:06
book
49:07
and
49:07
everyone
49:08
who
49:08
purchases
49:09
these
49:09
books
49:09
that
49:10
I'm
49:10
trying
49:10
to
49:10
sell
49:10
altogether,
49:11
I
49:12
use
49:12
the
49:12
funds
49:13
to
49:13
cover
49:13
the
49:13
adoption
49:14
fee
49:14
of
49:14
a
49:14
specific
49:15
dog.
49:16
And
49:16
then
49:16
I
49:16
take
49:17
care
49:17
of
49:17
the
49:17
dog.
49:18
I
49:18
make
49:18
up
49:19
a
49:19
little
49:19
flyer.
49:19
So
49:20
whoever
49:20
adopts
49:20
the
49:21
dog
49:21
sees
49:21
the
49:22
name
49:22
of
49:22
the
49:22
book
49:23
and
49:23
the
49:23
author
49:23
and
49:24
who
49:24
supported
49:25
this.
49:25
And
49:26
I
49:26
started
49:26
to
49:26
realize
49:27
it
49:27
ties
49:28
people
49:28
in
49:28
more
49:29
because
49:30
they
49:30
really
49:31
see
49:31
where
49:31
their
49:31
money
49:31
is
49:32
going
49:32
and
49:32
they
49:32
get
49:33
a
49:33
book.
49:33
So
49:34
people
49:34
were
49:34
really
49:34
generous.
49:35
Some
49:35
people
49:35
bought
49:36
a
49:36
book
49:36
for
49:36
like
49:37
a
49:37
hundred
49:37
bucks
49:38
on
49:38
average.
49:38
I'm
49:38
looking
49:39
for
49:39
350
49:40
to
49:40
$400.
49:41
So
49:41
I
49:41
might
49:42
have
49:42
about
49:42
five
49:42
books.
49:43
And
49:43
I
49:43
just.
49:44
And
49:44
some
49:44
people
49:44
say,
49:44
you
49:45
know
49:45
what?
49:45
I
49:45
really,
49:46
no
49:46
disrespect
49:47
to
49:47
the
49:47
author,
49:47
I
49:48
don't
49:48
mind
49:49
just
49:49
giving
49:49
you
49:49
50
49:50
bucks.
49:50
But
49:51
the
49:51
whole
49:52
energy
49:53
and
49:53
the
49:53
presentation
49:54
around
49:54
covering
49:54
the
49:55
adoption
49:55
fee
49:55
is
49:56
what
49:56
invites
49:56
people
49:56
to
49:57
think
49:57
about
49:57
a
49:57
monetary
49:58
donation
49:58
or
49:59
purchasing
49:59
the
49:59
book.
50:00
So
50:00
when
50:00
they
50:00
do
50:00
purchase
50:01
the
50:01
book
50:01
and
50:01
I
50:01
mail
50:02
it
50:02
out.
50:02
I
50:03
do
50:03
put,
50:03
like,
50:03
a
50:03
little
50:04
note
50:04
in
50:04
there
50:05
that
50:05
the
50:05
author
50:06
gave
50:06
this
50:06
book
50:07
and
50:07
when
50:07
they
50:07
were
50:07
done
50:08
reading
50:08
the
50:08
book,
50:08
if
50:08
they
50:09
would
50:09
be
50:09
so
50:09
kind
50:09
to
50:09
leave
50:10
a
50:10
review,
50:10
we'll
50:11
call
50:11
it
50:11
even.
50:12
So
50:12
that
50:13
seems
50:13
to
50:13
have
50:13
a
50:13
little
50:14
bit
50:14
more
50:14
traction
50:15
and
50:16
a
50:16
little
50:16
bit
50:16
more.
50:16
So
50:17
nice
50:17
to
50:17
hear
50:17
that
50:18
you
50:18
have
50:19
thought
50:19
this
50:20
out
50:20
too,
50:20
that
50:21
you
50:21
tried
50:21
something
50:22
and.
50:23
And
50:24
then
50:24
you
50:24
thought,
50:25
what,
50:25
maybe
50:26
I
50:26
can
50:26
do
50:26
something
50:27
a
50:27
little
50:27
bit
50:27
different.
50:28
Still
50:28
trying
50:29
to
50:29
do
50:29
something
50:30
monetarily,
50:31
but
50:31
just
50:31
change
50:31
it
50:32
up
50:32
a
50:32
bit.
50:33
Congratulations
50:34
on
50:34
doing
50:34
that.
50:35
Yeah,
50:35
it's.
50:36
It
50:36
does
50:36
take
50:36
time.
50:37
Because
50:37
I
50:37
have
50:37
to
50:37
say,
50:38
I
50:38
would
50:38
be
50:38
lying
50:38
if
50:39
sometimes
50:39
I
50:39
thought,
50:40
are
50:40
my
50:41
tiny
50:41
little
50:42
book
50:42
sale
50:42
donations
50:43
really
50:43
doing
50:44
anything?
50:44
And
50:45
it
50:45
just
50:45
feels
50:46
like
50:46
a
50:46
little
50:46
bit
50:47
more
50:47
is
50:47
happening.
50:47
If
50:48
we
50:48
sponsor
50:49
a
50:49
dog's
50:49
adoption
50:50
fee
50:50
that
50:50
was
50:51
transported
50:51
by
50:52
air
50:52
or
50:52
something
50:53
like
50:53
that.
50:53
Seems
50:53
to
50:54
hold
50:54
a
50:54
little
50:54
bit
50:54
more
50:54
weight
50:55
than
50:56
just
50:57
everyone
50:57
donates.
50:58
Two
50:58
bucks
50:58
and
50:58
no
50:58
one
50:59
gets
50:59
to
50:59
release
50:59
the
50:59
where
51:00
it
51:00
goes
51:00
for
51:00
sure.
51:01
So
51:01
I
51:02
also
51:02
want
51:02
to
51:02
talk
51:03
to
51:03
you
51:03
a
51:03
bit
51:03
about
51:04
your
51:04
character
51:05
development.
51:05
It's
51:06
neat.
51:06
You
51:06
talk
51:06
about
51:07
Zeke
51:07
and
51:08
he
51:08
has
51:08
that.
51:08
His
51:09
overbite.
51:10
So
51:11
talk
51:11
to
51:11
me
51:11
about
51:12
the
51:13
character
51:13
development
51:14
of
51:14
Zeke
51:15
and
51:15
then
51:15
the
51:16
character
51:16
development
51:17
Dexter
51:18
and
51:19
how
51:19
did
51:19
it
51:20
evolve?
51:20
So
51:21
what's
51:21
different
51:21
from
51:21
what
51:22
you
51:22
did
51:22
with
51:22
the
51:22
first
51:23
book
51:23
to
51:24
with
51:24
the
51:24
character
51:25
development
51:26
of
51:26
Dexter?
51:27
Sure.
51:27
So
51:27
for
51:28
the
51:28
character
51:28
development,
51:29
I
51:29
learned
51:29
through
51:30
Journey
51:30
to
51:30
Kid
51:31
lit
51:31
and
51:31
the
51:31
courses
51:31
I
51:31
took
51:32
at
51:32
Gotham
51:32
Writers
51:33
to
51:33
come
51:33
up
51:33
with
51:33
character
51:34
cards.
51:35
And
51:35
that
51:35
way,
51:35
it
51:35
helps
51:36
you
51:36
stay
51:36
on
51:36
track
51:37
when
51:37
you're
51:37
writing
51:37
your
51:37
story,
51:38
because
51:38
sometimes
51:39
you
51:39
can
51:40
unintentionally
51:41
add
51:41
qualities
51:42
and
51:42
characteristics
51:42
that
51:43
make
51:43
the
51:43
reader
51:43
go,
51:44
oh,
51:44
I.
51:44
That
51:44
doesn't
51:45
really
51:45
seem
51:45
like
51:45
something
51:46
Zeke
51:46
would
51:46
do.
51:46
So
51:47
Zeke's
51:47
a
51:47
really
51:47
nervous
51:48
guy.
51:48
If
51:48
all
51:48
of
51:48
a
51:48
sudden
51:48
he
51:49
was
51:49
confident
51:49
in
51:50
doing
51:50
a
51:50
backflip
51:51
in
51:51
the
51:51
play
51:52
yard
51:52
with
51:52
the
51:52
other
51:52
dogs,
51:53
everyone
51:53
would
51:53
say,
51:54
what?
51:54
Like,
51:54
why
51:54
did
51:55
we
51:55
go
51:55
from
51:55
sad
51:56
to
51:56
totally
51:56
happy?
51:57
What
51:57
happened?
51:58
Everyone
51:58
is
51:58
guilty
51:59
of
51:59
doing
51:59
that
51:59
to
51:59
some
52:00
degree.
52:00
That
52:00
kind
52:01
of
52:01
helps
52:01
you
52:01
stay
52:01
on
52:01
track.
52:02
Again,
52:02
the
52:02
pragmatic
52:03
mind
52:03
to
52:03
Gobert.
52:04
So
52:04
Zeke
52:05
is
52:05
an
52:05
extraordinarily
52:06
nervous
52:07
dog,
52:07
but
52:07
he's
52:07
also,
52:08
like,
52:08
extraordinarily
52:09
intelligent.
52:10
He's
52:11
just
52:11
hyper
52:11
aware
52:12
of
52:12
his
52:13
surroundings.
52:13
So
52:14
I
52:14
really
52:14
wanted
52:14
to
52:14
make
52:15
sure
52:15
I
52:15
stay
52:16
true
52:16
to
52:16
that.
52:17
And
52:17
also,
52:18
he
52:18
can
52:18
be
52:18
reactive.
52:19
So
52:20
he
52:20
does
52:20
not
52:21
like
52:21
when
52:21
people
52:22
come
52:22
into
52:22
our
52:23
home
52:23
without
52:23
warning.
52:24
So
52:24
if
52:24
someone
52:24
knocks
52:25
at
52:25
the
52:25
door,
52:26
they
52:26
no
52:26
longer
52:27
can
52:27
come
52:27
in.
52:28
Like,
52:28
quite
52:28
literally,
52:29
like,
52:29
I
52:29
have
52:29
to
52:29
go
52:29
out.
52:30
So
52:30
if
52:30
we
52:30
have
52:30
people
52:30
come
52:31
over,
52:31
he
52:32
has
52:32
to
52:32
meet
52:32
them
52:32
outside
52:33
in
52:33
the
52:33
driveway
52:33
for
52:34
a
52:34
Few
52:34
minutes
52:34
and
52:34
warm
52:35
up
52:35
and
52:35
see
52:35
me
52:35
talking
52:35
to
52:36
them
52:36
before
52:36
they
52:37
come
52:37
inside.
52:38
So
52:38
I
52:39
started
52:39
to
52:39
develop
52:39
some
52:40
empathy
52:40
for
52:40
people
52:41
who
52:41
have
52:41
reactive
52:42
dogs
52:42
and
52:43
some
52:43
reactivity
52:44
is
52:44
shy
52:44
or
52:45
just
52:45
like,
52:45
nervous.
52:46
And
52:46
then
52:46
I
52:46
also
52:47
thought
52:47
that
52:47
could
52:47
be
52:48
communicated
52:48
to
52:49
children
52:49
who
52:49
go
52:50
through
52:50
those
52:50
kinds
52:50
of
52:51
things.
52:51
So
52:51
his
52:51
story
52:51
is
52:52
more
52:52
of
52:53
a
52:53
empathetic
52:54
story
52:54
and
52:55
is
52:55
emotional.
52:56
And
52:56
it's
52:56
true
52:56
to
52:57
him,
52:57
too.
52:57
This
52:57
Halfway
52:58
Home
52:58
does
52:59
show
52:59
him
53:00
get
53:00
adopted
53:01
twice
53:01
and
53:02
returned.
53:02
And
53:02
that
53:03
is
53:03
exactly
53:03
what
53:03
happened
53:04
with
53:04
him.
53:04
Because
53:05
he
53:05
was
53:05
having
53:05
a
53:05
hard
53:06
time
53:06
for
53:06
what
53:06
I
53:07
just
53:07
described.
53:07
People
53:08
would
53:08
adopt,
53:08
stopped
53:08
him.
53:09
Their
53:09
door
53:09
would
53:10
swing
53:10
open
53:10
with
53:10
kids
53:11
or
53:11
whoever,
53:12
and
53:12
he
53:12
just
53:12
cannot
53:13
handle
53:13
a
53:13
busy
53:14
household
53:14
or
53:14
like
53:15
a
53:15
sudden
53:15
entry
53:15
like
53:16
that.
53:16
Whereas
53:17
my
53:17
husband
53:17
and
53:17
I
53:17
do
53:18
not
53:18
have
53:18
children.
53:18
And
53:19
we
53:19
live
53:19
in
53:19
a
53:19
quiet
53:19
area.
53:20
And
53:20
so
53:21
his
53:21
body
53:21
language
53:22
and
53:22
everything
53:22
with
53:22
us
53:23
was
53:23
pretty
53:23
good.
53:24
So
53:24
we
53:24
knew
53:25
that
53:25
we
53:25
were
53:25
the
53:25
right
53:25
fit
53:26
for
53:26
him.
53:26
I
53:26
kept
53:27
that
53:27
pretty
53:27
true
53:28
to
53:28
him,
53:28
character
53:29
wise.
53:29
And
53:30
so
53:30
when
53:30
he
53:30
does
53:31
get
53:31
nervous,
53:32
he
53:32
does,
53:32
like,
53:32
significantly
53:33
drool.
53:33
And
53:34
that
53:34
is
53:34
like
53:34
a
53:34
boxer
53:35
tendency.
53:35
They
53:35
tell
53:35
you
53:36
that
53:36
their
53:36
jowls
53:36
are
53:36
a
53:36
little
53:37
saggy,
53:37
so
53:37
they.
53:38
When
53:38
they're
53:38
taking
53:38
deep
53:39
breaths,
53:39
they
53:39
create
53:39
these
53:40
little
53:40
bubbles.
53:40
So
53:40
I
53:41
thought
53:41
that
53:41
would
53:41
be
53:41
somewhat
53:42
entertaining
53:43
for
53:44
a
53:44
kid
53:45
and
53:45
who
53:45
can't
53:46
raise
53:46
their
53:46
hand
53:46
that
53:46
said,
53:47
yeah,
53:47
when
53:48
I
53:48
was
53:48
anxious,
53:48
I
53:48
did
53:49
something
53:49
that
53:49
was
53:49
really
53:50
embarrassing.
53:51
Act
53:51
out
53:52
of
53:52
character,
53:54
saw
53:54
that.
53:55
So
53:55
I
53:55
just
53:56
thought
53:56
that
53:56
might
53:56
be
53:56
something
53:57
relatable.
53:57
And
53:57
then
53:58
as
53:58
far
53:58
as
53:58
the
53:58
character
53:59
development
53:59
of
53:59
Dexter,
54:00
Dexter
54:00
was
54:00
a
54:01
foster
54:01
of
54:01
ours,
54:02
and
54:02
he's
54:03
very
54:04
shy
54:04
and
54:04
reactive
54:05
in
54:05
the
54:06
shy
54:06
way
54:06
my
54:07
father
54:08
nicknamed
54:08
him
54:08
when
54:08
we
54:08
were
54:09
fostering,
54:09
because
54:09
he's.
54:10
We
54:10
started
54:10
to
54:11
identify
54:11
the
54:11
pattern.
54:12
He's
54:12
intimidated
54:13
by
54:13
people
54:14
he
54:14
doesn't
54:14
know
54:14
walking
54:15
towards
54:15
him.
54:16
He
54:16
quite
54:16
literally
54:16
turns
54:17
around.
54:17
So
54:18
my
54:18
dad
54:18
had
54:18
nicknamed
54:19
him
54:19
U
54:19
turn.
54:20
And
54:20
so
54:20
that
54:21
U
54:21
turn
54:21
phrase
54:22
is
54:22
used
54:22
in
54:22
the
54:23
book
54:23
because
54:23
whenever
54:24
someone
54:24
new
54:24
comes
54:24
around,
54:25
he
54:25
does
54:25
a
54:26
U
54:26
turn.
54:26
But
54:27
he
54:27
was
54:27
a
54:27
street
54:27
dog.
54:28
Um,
54:28
he
54:28
was
54:28
found
54:28
in
54:29
Louisiana,
54:29
and
54:29
he
54:30
does
54:30
have
54:30
some
54:30
significant
54:31
scars
54:31
on
54:31
him
54:32
that
54:32
tell
54:32
some
54:32
story
54:33
that
54:33
we
54:33
don't
54:33
really
54:33
know.
54:34
Um,
54:34
and
54:35
so
54:35
I
54:36
just
54:36
thought,
54:36
I'm
54:37
going
54:37
to
54:37
tap
54:37
into
54:37
the
54:37
street
54:38
dog
54:38
element
54:38
and
54:39
keep
54:39
that.
54:40
I
54:40
knew
54:40
I
54:40
wanted
54:40
to
54:40
do
54:41
something
54:41
with
54:41
the
54:41
U
54:41
turn,
54:42
which
54:42
was
54:42
a
54:43
little
54:43
inside
54:43
joke
54:43
for
54:44
my
54:44
family,
54:44
but
54:44
it
54:44
still
54:45
played
54:45
into
54:45
the
54:45
actual
54:46
character
54:47
development
54:47
of
54:48
who
54:48
he
54:48
is.
54:48
And
54:49
then
54:49
what
54:50
I
54:50
missed
54:51
in
54:51
Halfway
54:51
Home
54:52
a
54:52
little,
54:52
I
54:52
had
54:53
literally
54:53
had
54:53
grown
54:54
men,
54:54
which
54:55
I
54:55
doesn't
54:55
matter
54:55
if
54:55
it's
54:55
a
54:56
man,
54:56
but
54:56
we'll
54:56
just
54:56
go
54:57
with
54:57
that
54:57
stereotype.
54:58
Tell
54:58
me
54:58
that
54:58
they
54:59
got
54:59
emotional
54:59
reading
55:00
Halfway
55:00
Home.
55:00
They
55:00
were
55:01
like,
55:01
wow,
55:01
that
55:01
really
55:02
actually
55:02
choked
55:03
me
55:03
up.
55:03
So
55:04
that
55:04
is
55:04
definitely
55:05
received
55:05
as
55:05
a
55:05
compliment
55:06
that
55:06
I'm
55:06
able
55:06
to
55:07
tap
55:07
into
55:07
people
55:08
like
55:08
that.
55:08
However,
55:09
I'm
55:09
a
55:10
pretty
55:10
jovial
55:11
person
55:11
in
55:11
general,
55:12
and
55:12
I
55:12
feel
55:12
like
55:13
I
55:13
missed
55:13
a
55:13
little.
55:14
Missed
55:15
having
55:15
some
55:15
humor.
55:15
I
55:16
liked
55:16
seeing
55:16
little
55:16
kids
55:17
laugh
55:17
at
55:17
other
55:18
people's
55:18
books.
55:19
So
55:19
Daring
55:19
Dexter
55:20
is
55:20
funnier.
55:20
So
55:20
he's
55:21
a
55:21
street
55:21
dog
55:22
and
55:22
he
55:22
intentionally
55:23
hides
55:23
from
55:24
the
55:24
animal
55:24
air
55:24
rescue
55:25
crews,
55:25
and
55:25
he
55:25
has
55:25
decided
55:26
that
55:26
rescue
55:27
is
55:27
a
55:27
downgrade,
55:28
he'll
55:28
lose
55:29
his
55:29
street
55:29
swagger,
55:29
and
55:30
he's
55:30
got
55:30
nothing
55:30
to
55:30
do
55:30
with
55:31
it.
55:31
And
55:31
then
55:32
as
55:32
far
55:32
as
55:32
character
55:33
development
55:33
with
55:33
Zeke
55:34
and
55:34
Daring
55:35
Dexter,
55:36
he
55:36
does
55:36
get
55:37
adopted
55:37
by
55:37
one
55:38
of
55:38
the
55:38
air
55:38
rescue
55:39
crews.
55:39
You
55:39
see
55:40
him
55:40
again,
55:40
he's
55:40
a
55:41
more
55:41
confident
55:41
Zeke.
55:42
He
55:42
actually
55:42
ends
55:43
up
55:43
being
55:43
a
55:43
role
55:43
model
55:44
for
55:44
Dexter.
55:44
So
55:44
you
55:45
see
55:45
his
55:45
character
55:46
evolve
55:46
into
55:46
his
55:46
better
55:47
self.
55:47
Nice.
55:48
So
55:48
I
55:48
really
55:49
enjoyed
55:49
that.
55:49
And
55:49
the
55:49
only
55:50
difference
55:50
really,
55:50
though,
55:51
is
55:51
even
55:51
though
55:51
Zeke
55:52
and
55:52
the
55:52
pilot
55:53
Maeve
55:53
are
55:53
also
55:54
in.
55:55
They're
55:55
both
55:55
in
55:56
Halfway
55:56
Home
55:56
and
55:56
Daring
55:57
Dexterity.
55:57
They
55:58
aren't
55:58
technically
55:58
a
55:59
true
55:59
series
56:00
by
56:00
definition,
56:01
because
56:01
Halfway
56:02
Home
56:02
is
56:02
told
56:02
in
56:03
a
56:03
narrator's
56:03
voice
56:04
and
56:04
Daring
56:05
Dexter
56:05
is
56:05
told
56:05
in
56:06
Dexter's
56:07
voice.
56:08
So
56:08
that
56:08
you
56:08
should,
56:09
tactically
56:09
in
56:09
a
56:09
series
56:10
should
56:10
be
56:10
consistent
56:11
with
56:11
that.
56:11
But
56:12
isn't
56:12
that
56:12
the
56:12
beauty
56:12
of
56:13
self
56:13
publishing?
56:14
Who
56:14
cares?
56:15
You
56:15
know
56:15
what?
56:15
You've
56:16
hit
56:16
it
56:16
right
56:16
on
56:16
the
56:16
button.
56:17
I
56:17
couldn't
56:18
agree
56:18
with
56:18
you
56:18
more.
56:19
Yeah.
56:19
Just
56:20
who
56:20
cares?
56:20
This
56:20
is
56:21
what
56:21
I
56:21
decided
56:21
to
56:21
do,
56:22
and
56:22
I
56:22
don't
56:22
feel
56:22
like
56:22
explaining
56:23
it.
56:23
Yeah.
56:24
And
56:24
you
56:24
know
56:24
what?
56:25
Like
56:25
you
56:25
said,
56:25
it
56:25
sounds
56:26
like
56:26
Daring
56:27
Dexter
56:27
is
56:28
more
56:29
playful.
56:30
And
56:31
that's
56:31
what
56:31
you
56:32
had
56:32
in.
56:32
In
56:32
your
56:33
mind.
56:33
And
56:33
so
56:34
why
56:34
not?
56:34
And
56:35
most
56:35
kids
56:36
like
56:36
to
56:36
be
56:36
playful.
56:37
And
56:37
it's
56:38
a
56:38
children's
56:38
book.
56:39
Not
56:39
everything
56:40
needs
56:40
to
56:40
be
56:40
so.
56:41
So
56:41
just.
56:42
So
56:42
there's
56:42
some
56:42
phenomenal,
56:43
traditionally
56:44
published
56:44
books
56:44
that
56:45
do
56:45
follow
56:45
every
56:46
rule
56:46
and
56:46
check
56:46
every
56:46
box
56:47
that
56:47
everybody
56:47
loves
56:48
and
56:48
adores.
56:48
But,
56:49
um,
56:49
again,
56:49
that's
56:50
the
56:50
beauty
56:50
of
56:50
the
56:50
self
56:50
publishing.
56:51
Just.
56:52
I
56:52
just
56:52
want
56:52
to
56:52
show
56:52
you
56:53
that
56:53
that's
56:53
all
56:53
there
56:54
is
56:54
to
56:54
it.
56:55
So
56:55
the
56:55
theme
56:56
now
56:56
that
56:57
you're
56:57
going
56:57
to
56:57
second
56:58
editions
56:59
is
56:59
has
57:00
the
57:00
theme
57:00
changed
57:01
at
57:01
all
57:01
or
57:02
is
57:02
it
57:02
stayed
57:03
pretty
57:03
much
57:04
the
57:04
same?
57:05
I
57:05
guess
57:05
the
57:05
biggest
57:06
text
57:07
changes
57:07
happened
57:08
in
57:08
Halfway
57:09
Home.
57:09
And
57:09
that
57:10
was.
57:10
I
57:11
get.
57:11
I
57:11
did
57:11
find
57:11
a
57:12
way
57:12
to
57:13
manipulate
57:13
him.
57:14
What
57:14
we
57:14
talked
57:14
about
57:14
earlier
57:15
in
57:15
the
57:15
podcast,
57:15
I
57:16
gave
57:16
Zeke
57:16
more
57:17
agency.
57:18
So
57:18
in.
57:18
In
57:19
Halfway
57:19
Home,
57:19
I
57:19
just
57:20
let
57:20
him
57:20
fall
57:20
into
57:21
the
57:21
lap
57:21
of
57:21
one
57:21
of
57:21
the
57:21
air
57:22
rescue
57:22
crews,
57:22
and
57:23
then
57:23
she
57:23
decides
57:24
to
57:24
take
57:24
him
57:24
home
57:24
and
57:24
adopt
57:25
him,
57:25
and
57:25
that's
57:25
it.
57:26
And
57:26
Then
57:26
in
57:27
the
57:27
second
57:27
edition,
57:28
I
57:28
have
57:28
him
57:29
leaning
57:29
into
57:29
her
57:30
so
57:30
when
57:30
she
57:30
walks
57:31
by,
57:31
he
57:31
whimpers
57:32
to
57:32
get
57:32
her
57:32
attention.
57:33
And
57:34
then
57:34
the
57:34
page
57:35
that
57:35
she
57:35
finally
57:36
takes
57:36
him
57:36
home,
57:36
I
57:36
added
57:37
a
57:37
sentence
57:37
that
57:38
says
57:38
Zeke
57:39
finally
57:39
got
57:40
her
57:40
full
57:40
attention.
57:41
And
57:41
with
57:42
Maeve
57:42
Z.
57:43
So
57:43
they're
57:43
literally
57:44
just
57:44
sentence
57:45
changes.
57:45
But
57:45
it
57:45
is
57:46
pivotal
57:46
in
57:46
the
57:47
whole
57:47
determination,
57:49
the
57:49
whole
57:49
layout
57:50
of
57:50
the
57:50
story.
57:51
Did
57:51
any
57:51
of
57:51
the
57:52
your
57:52
like
57:53
the
57:53
central
57:53
teaching
57:54
that
57:54
you're
57:54
trying
57:55
to
57:55
convey,
57:55
did
57:55
that
57:56
change
57:56
at
57:56
all?
57:57
No,
57:57
it's
57:58
just
57:58
the
57:58
agency,
57:58
the
57:59
character's
57:59
agency.
58:00
Okay.
58:00
Okay,
58:01
Terrific,
58:01
terrific.
58:02
I
58:02
want
58:03
to
58:03
talk
58:03
to
58:03
you
58:03
a
58:03
bit
58:03
about
58:04
the
58:04
writing
58:04
process.
58:05
If
58:06
you
58:06
could
58:06
share
58:07
your
58:08
writing
58:08
process,
58:09
how
58:09
you
58:10
started
58:10
your
58:11
development
58:12
and
58:12
what
58:12
does
58:12
it
58:13
look
58:13
like
58:13
now.
58:14
Think.
58:14
I
58:14
don't
58:15
know
58:15
if
58:15
you
58:15
can
58:15
think
58:15
back
58:16
to
58:16
when
58:16
you
58:16
first
58:17
started
58:17
and
58:17
then
58:18
think
58:18
about
58:18
your.
58:18
How
58:19
your
58:19
own
58:19
development
58:20
over
58:21
these
58:21
last
58:21
few
58:21
years
58:22
has
58:23
come
58:23
about
58:23
on
58:23
the
58:23
writing
58:24
process.
58:24
Yeah,
58:25
sure.
58:25
So
58:25
I
58:26
literally
58:26
just
58:26
started
58:26
with
58:27
a
58:27
notebook
58:27
and
58:27
a
58:27
pencil.
58:28
And
58:28
literally
58:29
pencil.
58:29
Because
58:29
I
58:29
kept
58:30
changing
58:30
things
58:30
and
58:30
I
58:30
didn't
58:30
know
58:31
what
58:31
I
58:31
was
58:31
doing.
58:32
And
58:32
a
58:33
big
58:33
eraser,
58:34
right?
58:34
A
58:34
really
58:35
big
58:35
eraser.
58:35
Just
58:36
like
58:36
an
58:36
area
58:36
of
58:37
the
58:37
house
58:37
that
58:37
could
58:37
get
58:37
messy
58:38
with
58:38
the
58:38
eraser
58:38
graphs
58:39
kept
58:40
on
58:40
redo.
58:41
I
58:41
can't
58:41
kept
58:41
on
58:42
handwriting
58:42
it.
58:43
And
58:43
then
58:43
now
58:43
I
58:44
tend
58:44
to
58:44
just
58:45
write
58:45
in
58:45
Google
58:46
Docs.
58:47
And
58:47
I
58:47
know
58:48
there's
58:48
a
58:49
million
58:49
different
58:49
ways
58:50
that
58:50
you
58:50
can
58:50
write
58:50
and
58:50
store
58:51
your
58:51
documents,
58:52
but
58:52
this
58:52
one
58:52
seems
58:53
to
58:53
serve
58:53
me
58:54
just
58:54
fine.
58:54
I
58:54
like
58:54
that
58:55
you
58:55
can
58:55
change.
58:55
Some
58:56
people
58:56
have
58:56
a
58:56
specific
58:57
request
58:57
for
58:57
it
58:58
to
58:58
be
58:58
a
58:58
word
58:58
doc.
58:59
Some
58:59
people
58:59
like
59:00
to
59:00
be
59:00
added
59:00
as
59:00
a
59:01
contributor
59:01
to
59:01
the
59:02
document
59:02
to
59:02
read
59:02
and
59:03
edit
59:03
it.
59:03
I
59:03
just
59:03
feel
59:04
like
59:04
it
59:04
gives
59:04
a
59:04
lot
59:04
of
59:04
flexibility
59:05
depending
59:05
on
59:06
who
59:06
it
59:06
is
59:06
I'm
59:06
sharing
59:07
it
59:07
with
59:07
and
59:07
what
59:08
format
59:08
they
59:08
like.
59:09
And
59:09
for
59:09
me,
59:10
I'm
59:10
not
59:10
an
59:11
office
59:11
novice.
59:12
Like,
59:12
hence
59:13
me
59:13
go
59:13
flying
59:14
airplanes
59:14
for
59:14
a
59:14
living.
59:15
Like
59:15
it's
59:15
not
59:16
my
59:16
skill
59:16
set.
59:17
But
59:17
it's
59:18
easy
59:18
for
59:18
me
59:19
to
59:19
do
59:19
that.
59:20
So
59:20
I
59:20
just
59:20
tend
59:21
to
59:21
write
59:21
things
59:21
in
59:21
Google
59:22
Docs.
59:22
And
59:22
then
59:23
at
59:23
the
59:23
moment,
59:23
I
59:23
do
59:24
have
59:24
a
59:24
short
59:24
story
59:25
that
59:25
I'm.
59:25
I
59:25
guess
59:26
I
59:26
put
59:26
it
59:26
on
59:26
pause
59:27
because
59:27
I
59:27
wanted
59:27
the
59:27
second
59:27
edition
59:28
to
59:28
get
59:29
finalized
59:29
before.
59:30
Absolutely,
59:30
yeah.
59:31
It
59:31
takes
59:31
a
59:31
lot
59:32
of
59:32
work.
59:32
Besides
59:33
your
59:33
own
59:33
personal
59:34
experiences,
59:35
which
59:35
are
59:35
many,
59:36
did
59:37
you
59:37
conduct
59:38
any
59:38
additional
59:39
research
59:39
when
59:40
you
59:40
were
59:40
putting
59:41
the
59:41
second
59:42
editions
59:42
together?
59:43
And
59:44
if
59:44
you
59:44
did,
59:44
why
59:45
did
59:45
you
59:45
do
59:45
that?
59:46
I
59:46
guess
59:46
in
59:47
general,
59:47
it's
59:47
the
59:47
simplest
59:48
thing.
59:48
I
59:49
just
59:49
read
59:49
more
59:49
books.
59:50
I
59:50
got
59:50
more
59:51
books.
59:51
I
59:51
mean,
59:51
it
59:52
was
59:52
even
59:52
a
59:52
joke
59:52
with
59:52
my
59:52
husband.
59:53
He's
59:53
like,
59:53
Aaron,
59:53
how
59:53
many
59:54
children's
59:54
books
59:55
exactly
59:55
are
59:55
we
59:56
going
59:56
to
59:56
have
59:56
here.
59:57
But
59:57
I
59:57
also
59:57
have
59:57
a
59:57
great
59:58
tip
59:58
for
59:58
that.
59:58
When
59:58
I'm
59:58
done
59:59
with
59:59
them,
59:59
I
59:59
like
59:59
to
1:00:00
either
1:00:00
take
1:00:00
them
1:00:00
to
1:00:00
my
1:00:00
events
1:00:01
or
1:00:01
I
1:00:02
just
1:00:02
deposit
1:00:03
them
1:00:03
at
1:00:03
little
1:00:03
free
1:00:04
libraries,
1:00:04
which
1:00:04
actually
1:00:05
could
1:00:05
be
1:00:05
my
1:00:06
author.
1:00:06
I'll
1:00:07
try
1:00:07
to
1:00:07
tag
1:00:07
them
1:00:07
on
1:00:08
Instagram
1:00:08
or
1:00:08
something
1:00:09
so
1:00:09
they
1:00:09
see
1:00:09
their
1:00:09
book
1:00:10
going
1:00:10
out
1:00:10
in
1:00:10
the
1:00:10
world.
1:00:11
So
1:00:12
I
1:00:12
just
1:00:12
read
1:00:13
more
1:00:13
books,
1:00:13
and
1:00:13
I
1:00:14
just
1:00:14
started
1:00:14
to
1:00:15
really,
1:00:15
like
1:00:15
I
1:00:16
said,
1:00:16
I
1:00:16
really
1:00:16
started
1:00:16
to
1:00:17
hone
1:00:17
in
1:00:18
on
1:00:18
books
1:00:18
that
1:00:18
I
1:00:18
thought
1:00:19
were
1:00:19
doing
1:00:20
well,
1:00:20
particularly
1:00:21
in
1:00:21
the
1:00:22
self
1:00:22
publishing.
1:00:22
Okay.
1:00:23
Yeah.
1:00:24
I
1:00:24
want
1:00:25
to
1:00:25
talk
1:00:25
to
1:00:25
you
1:00:25
about
1:00:26
success
1:00:27
because
1:00:27
it's.
1:00:28
Everybody's
1:00:28
got
1:00:28
their
1:00:29
own
1:00:29
definitions
1:00:30
of
1:00:30
success.
1:00:31
I'd
1:00:31
like
1:00:31
to
1:00:31
know
1:00:32
what
1:00:32
you
1:00:33
had
1:00:33
envisioned
1:00:34
as
1:00:34
your
1:00:34
original
1:00:35
goal
1:00:36
for
1:00:36
success
1:00:36
with
1:00:37
the
1:00:37
first
1:00:37
book.
1:00:38
Okay.
1:00:39
So
1:00:39
I
1:00:39
just
1:00:39
wanted
1:00:40
to
1:00:40
break
1:00:40
even.
1:00:41
That
1:00:42
was
1:00:42
my
1:00:42
whole
1:00:42
thing.
1:00:42
I
1:00:42
thought
1:00:43
what
1:00:43
I
1:00:44
put
1:00:44
in,
1:00:44
I
1:00:44
want
1:00:44
to
1:00:45
put
1:00:45
out.
1:00:45
And
1:00:45
I
1:00:45
gave
1:00:46
myself
1:00:47
five
1:00:47
years
1:00:47
to
1:00:48
do
1:00:48
that.
1:00:48
I
1:00:49
had
1:00:49
no
1:00:49
idea
1:00:49
if
1:00:49
that
1:00:49
was
1:00:50
a
1:00:50
good
1:00:50
number
1:00:50
or
1:00:50
a
1:00:51
reasonable
1:00:51
number.
1:00:52
And
1:00:52
I
1:00:53
guess,
1:00:53
in
1:00:53
fairness,
1:00:54
what
1:00:54
has
1:00:54
evolved
1:00:55
for
1:00:55
me
1:00:55
is
1:00:56
I
1:00:56
don't
1:00:57
really
1:00:57
know
1:00:57
anymore,
1:00:58
like,
1:00:58
where
1:00:58
I'm
1:00:58
at.
1:00:58
Like,
1:00:58
I
1:00:59
used
1:00:59
to
1:00:59
really
1:00:59
track,
1:01:00
like,
1:01:00
the
1:01:00
numbers
1:01:01
and
1:01:01
how
1:01:01
much
1:01:01
I
1:01:01
sell.
1:01:02
And
1:01:02
I
1:01:03
just
1:01:03
settled
1:01:04
into
1:01:04
something
1:01:05
that
1:01:05
my
1:01:05
sister
1:01:06
told
1:01:06
me,
1:01:06
and
1:01:07
she
1:01:07
does
1:01:07
work
1:01:07
in
1:01:07
the
1:01:08
business
1:01:08
world
1:01:08
and
1:01:09
in
1:01:09
the
1:01:10
art
1:01:10
theater
1:01:10
in
1:01:11
New
1:01:11
York
1:01:11
City.
1:01:11
But
1:01:12
she
1:01:12
said
1:01:12
to
1:01:12
me
1:01:13
not
1:01:13
to
1:01:13
minimize
1:01:14
what
1:01:14
you're
1:01:14
doing,
1:01:15
but
1:01:16
as
1:01:16
far
1:01:16
as,
1:01:16
like,
1:01:16
a
1:01:17
monetary
1:01:17
gain
1:01:18
and
1:01:18
weighing
1:01:19
a
1:01:19
monetary
1:01:19
gain
1:01:20
versus
1:01:20
just
1:01:21
like,
1:01:21
a
1:01:21
personal
1:01:21
enjoyment
1:01:22
gain,
1:01:22
she.
1:01:23
This
1:01:23
is
1:01:23
where
1:01:23
she
1:01:23
said
1:01:24
she
1:01:24
doesn't
1:01:24
mean
1:01:24
to
1:01:24
minimize
1:01:25
it.
1:01:25
It's
1:01:25
almost
1:01:26
like
1:01:26
a
1:01:26
hobby
1:01:27
that
1:01:27
pays
1:01:27
for
1:01:27
itself
1:01:28
a
1:01:28
little.
1:01:29
So
1:01:29
if
1:01:29
I
1:01:29
was
1:01:30
a
1:01:30
golfer
1:01:31
and
1:01:31
I
1:01:31
spent
1:01:32
X
1:01:32
amount
1:01:32
of
1:01:32
dollars,
1:01:33
thousands
1:01:34
of
1:01:34
dollars
1:01:34
on
1:01:34
clubs
1:01:35
and
1:01:35
thousands
1:01:36
of
1:01:36
dollars
1:01:37
for
1:01:37
the
1:01:37
year
1:01:37
on
1:01:37
a
1:01:38
couple
1:01:38
tournaments,
1:01:38
and
1:01:39
at
1:01:39
the
1:01:39
end
1:01:39
of
1:01:39
the
1:01:39
year,
1:01:40
I
1:01:40
won
1:01:41
two
1:01:41
grand
1:01:41
in
1:01:42
three
1:01:42
tournaments
1:01:42
that
1:01:43
I
1:01:43
participated
1:01:43
in
1:01:44
and
1:01:44
got
1:01:44
invited
1:01:44
to
1:01:44
a
1:01:45
banquet
1:01:45
that
1:01:45
I
1:01:45
didn't
1:01:45
have
1:01:45
to
1:01:46
pay
1:01:46
for,
1:01:46
would
1:01:47
we
1:01:47
call
1:01:47
that
1:01:47
a
1:01:47
success?
1:01:48
Yeah.
1:01:49
What
1:01:49
if
1:01:49
I
1:01:49
was
1:01:50
a
1:01:50
skier
1:01:50
and
1:01:50
I
1:01:51
paid
1:01:51
seven
1:01:51
grand
1:01:52
for
1:01:52
a
1:01:52
chalet?
1:01:53
And
1:01:53
then
1:01:53
I
1:01:53
did
1:01:53
a
1:01:53
couple
1:01:54
skiing
1:01:54
competitions
1:01:55
when
1:01:55
I
1:01:55
was
1:01:55
out
1:01:55
there,
1:01:55
and
1:01:55
I
1:01:56
won
1:01:56
500
1:01:56
bucks.
1:01:57
Awesome.
1:01:57
I'm
1:01:58
gonna
1:01:58
get
1:01:58
my
1:01:58
new.
1:01:58
Whatever,
1:01:59
new
1:02:00
ski
1:02:00
element.
1:02:01
So
1:02:01
that
1:02:02
is
1:02:02
the
1:02:02
mindset
1:02:02
that
1:02:02
I've
1:02:03
settled
1:02:03
into.
1:02:03
I
1:02:04
have
1:02:04
a
1:02:04
general
1:02:04
idea.
1:02:05
Like,
1:02:05
of
1:02:05
course
1:02:06
I'm
1:02:06
not
1:02:06
in,
1:02:06
like,
1:02:07
giant
1:02:07
loads
1:02:08
of
1:02:08
debt,
1:02:08
but
1:02:08
again,
1:02:09
I'm
1:02:09
happy
1:02:09
to
1:02:10
be
1:02:10
transparent.
1:02:10
Aaron
1:02:11
Murphy
1:02:11
books,
1:02:12
like,
1:02:12
I
1:02:12
have
1:02:12
a
1:02:12
separate
1:02:13
bank
1:02:13
account,
1:02:14
usually
1:02:14
sits
1:02:15
at
1:02:15
$5
1:02:15
in
1:02:15
there.
1:02:16
Like,
1:02:16
I
1:02:16
might
1:02:17
get
1:02:17
more,
1:02:17
but
1:02:18
the
1:02:18
second
1:02:18
I
1:02:18
do,
1:02:19
I'm
1:02:19
buying
1:02:19
stickers,
1:02:20
I'm
1:02:20
buying
1:02:20
bookmarks.
1:02:21
I'm
1:02:21
paying
1:02:22
to
1:02:22
be
1:02:22
a
1:02:22
vendor
1:02:22
at
1:02:23
an
1:02:23
event.
1:02:24
What
1:02:24
I'm
1:02:24
paying
1:02:25
for
1:02:25
something
1:02:26
that
1:02:26
I
1:02:26
printed
1:02:26
out
1:02:26
on
1:02:26
Canva
1:02:27
or
1:02:28
VistaPrints
1:02:29
or
1:02:29
I'm
1:02:30
buying.
1:02:30
I'm
1:02:31
hoping
1:02:31
people
1:02:31
will
1:02:31
eventually
1:02:32
buy.
1:02:32
And
1:02:32
that's
1:02:33
what
1:02:33
I
1:02:33
say
1:02:33
to
1:02:33
people
1:02:34
generally,
1:02:34
it's
1:02:35
not
1:02:35
a
1:02:35
path
1:02:35
to
1:02:35
fame
1:02:36
and
1:02:36
fortune.
1:02:37
You
1:02:37
have
1:02:37
to
1:02:38
have
1:02:38
a
1:02:38
passion.
1:02:38
I
1:02:39
mean,
1:02:39
it's
1:02:39
pretty
1:02:39
cool.
1:02:40
When
1:02:40
I
1:02:40
listen
1:02:41
to
1:02:41
your
1:02:41
story,
1:02:42
your
1:02:43
involvement
1:02:44
has
1:02:44
grown
1:02:45
with
1:02:46
you,
1:02:46
the
1:02:47
way
1:02:47
I'm
1:02:47
seeing
1:02:47
it.
1:02:48
And
1:02:48
I
1:02:48
look
1:02:48
at
1:02:48
your
1:02:49
books
1:02:49
and
1:02:49
I
1:02:49
go,
1:02:49
wow,
1:02:50
that's
1:02:50
just
1:02:51
so
1:02:51
neat
1:02:52
how
1:02:52
you've
1:02:53
made
1:02:53
it,
1:02:54
turned
1:02:54
it
1:02:54
into
1:02:54
something
1:02:55
more.
1:02:56
Each
1:02:56
stage
1:02:57
you
1:02:57
seem
1:02:57
to
1:02:57
be
1:02:57
making
1:02:58
it
1:02:58
into
1:02:58
more.
1:02:59
And
1:02:59
that's
1:02:59
gotta
1:03:00
be
1:03:00
very
1:03:00
satisfying.
1:03:01
Yeah,
1:03:02
it
1:03:02
is.
1:03:02
And
1:03:02
like,
1:03:03
I'm
1:03:03
starting
1:03:03
to
1:03:03
feel
1:03:04
that
1:03:04
satisfaction.
1:03:05
I
1:03:05
admittedly,
1:03:06
there's
1:03:06
been
1:03:07
a
1:03:07
couple
1:03:07
of
1:03:07
times
1:03:07
where
1:03:08
I
1:03:08
thought,
1:03:09
all
1:03:09
right,
1:03:09
I
1:03:10
have
1:03:10
50
1:03:10
more
1:03:10
books
1:03:11
to
1:03:11
sell.
1:03:11
I'm
1:03:11
just
1:03:12
gonna
1:03:12
wrap
1:03:12
this
1:03:12
up
1:03:12
and
1:03:13
I'm
1:03:13
gonna
1:03:13
be
1:03:13
done.
1:03:14
Like,
1:03:14
this
1:03:14
was
1:03:14
a
1:03:14
cool,
1:03:15
no
1:03:15
pun
1:03:15
intended,
1:03:16
chapter.
1:03:16
And
1:03:17
then
1:03:17
I
1:03:17
just
1:03:17
end
1:03:17
up
1:03:18
getting
1:03:18
like
1:03:18
a
1:03:18
new
1:03:18
idea
1:03:19
or
1:03:19
like
1:03:20
I
1:03:20
said
1:03:20
that
1:03:21
I
1:03:21
ended
1:03:21
up
1:03:21
being
1:03:21
a
1:03:22
part
1:03:22
of
1:03:22
that
1:03:22
coffee
1:03:22
table
1:03:22
book.
1:03:23
And
1:03:23
now
1:03:23
I
1:03:23
have
1:03:23
these
1:03:23
great
1:03:24
images
1:03:24
indeed.
1:03:25
How
1:03:25
can
1:03:25
I
1:03:25
infiltrate
1:03:25
that
1:03:26
into
1:03:26
my
1:03:26
books?
1:03:26
If
1:03:26
I
1:03:27
self
1:03:27
publish?
1:03:28
And
1:03:28
stuff
1:03:28
like
1:03:29
that
1:03:29
just
1:03:29
seems
1:03:29
to
1:03:30
keep
1:03:30
happening.
1:03:31
But
1:03:31
no
1:03:31
doubt,
1:03:32
did
1:03:32
I
1:03:32
have,
1:03:33
or,
1:03:33
I
1:03:33
mean,
1:03:34
without
1:03:34
question,
1:03:34
did
1:03:35
I
1:03:35
not
1:03:35
have
1:03:35
doubts
1:03:36
along
1:03:36
the
1:03:36
way
1:03:36
where
1:03:36
I
1:03:36
thought,
1:03:37
okay,
1:03:37
how
1:03:37
much
1:03:38
money
1:03:38
am
1:03:38
I
1:03:38
really
1:03:38
gonna
1:03:38
spend
1:03:39
here?
1:03:39
But
1:03:40
then
1:03:40
I
1:03:40
got
1:03:40
introduced
1:03:40
to
1:03:41
the
1:03:41
a
1:03:41
la
1:03:41
carte
1:03:41
options
1:03:42
versus
1:03:43
strictly
1:03:43
the
1:03:43
hybrid
1:03:44
publishing.
1:03:44
And
1:03:45
I
1:03:45
still
1:03:45
felt
1:03:45
supported
1:03:46
that
1:03:46
way
1:03:46
for
1:03:46
things.
1:03:47
People
1:03:48
who
1:03:48
go
1:03:48
in
1:03:48
green
1:03:49
and
1:03:50
totally
1:03:50
self
1:03:50
publish
1:03:51
the
1:03:51
first
1:03:51
time,
1:03:52
I
1:03:52
mean,
1:03:52
it
1:03:53
really
1:03:53
gives.
1:03:53
I
1:03:53
think
1:03:54
that's
1:03:54
serious
1:03:54
hats
1:03:55
off.
1:03:55
You
1:03:55
really
1:03:56
just
1:03:56
figure
1:03:57
it
1:03:57
out.
1:03:57
And
1:03:57
it
1:03:57
is
1:03:58
extremely
1:03:58
time
1:03:59
consuming.
1:03:59
So,
1:04:00
I
1:04:00
mean,
1:04:00
I'm
1:04:00
always
1:04:00
going
1:04:01
to
1:04:01
probably
1:04:01
need
1:04:02
some
1:04:02
sort
1:04:02
of
1:04:02
support.
1:04:03
That's
1:04:03
just
1:04:03
my
1:04:03
personality,
1:04:04
though,
1:04:04
is
1:04:04
to
1:04:04
try
1:04:05
to
1:04:05
be
1:04:05
resourceful.
1:04:06
Whether
1:04:06
it's
1:04:06
for
1:04:06
myself
1:04:07
or
1:04:07
for
1:04:07
others
1:04:08
like
1:04:08
the
1:04:08
dogs,
1:04:09
I'm
1:04:09
happy
1:04:09
to
1:04:09
be
1:04:09
a
1:04:10
resource
1:04:10
for
1:04:10
them,
1:04:11
but
1:04:12
I
1:04:12
just.
1:04:13
All
1:04:13
of
1:04:14
it
1:04:14
has
1:04:14
just
1:04:14
evolved,
1:04:14
like,
1:04:15
without
1:04:15
me,
1:04:15
really.
1:04:16
Not
1:04:16
without
1:04:17
me
1:04:17
trying,
1:04:17
but
1:04:18
like
1:04:18
those
1:04:18
lulls
1:04:18
that
1:04:19
you
1:04:19
have
1:04:19
where
1:04:19
you
1:04:19
think
1:04:19
maybe
1:04:20
you
1:04:20
felt
1:04:20
like
1:04:20
that
1:04:20
you're
1:04:20
like,
1:04:21
how
1:04:21
many
1:04:21
books
1:04:21
are
1:04:21
we
1:04:21
going
1:04:21
to
1:04:21
do
1:04:22
here?
1:04:22
But
1:04:22
then
1:04:22
you
1:04:23
get
1:04:23
a
1:04:23
new
1:04:23
idea
1:04:23
and
1:04:24
something
1:04:24
spawns
1:04:25
from
1:04:25
there.
1:04:25
I
1:04:26
couldn't
1:04:26
agree
1:04:26
with
1:04:26
you
1:04:26
more.
1:04:27
And
1:04:27
that
1:04:28
leads
1:04:28
me
1:04:28
to.
1:04:30
I
1:04:30
just
1:04:31
wrote
1:04:32
a
1:04:32
blog
1:04:32
on
1:04:33
goal
1:04:33
setting,
1:04:34
believe
1:04:34
it
1:04:34
or
1:04:34
not,
1:04:35
tied
1:04:35
into
1:04:36
children's
1:04:37
books.
1:04:38
And
1:04:38
being
1:04:38
a
1:04:38
children's
1:04:39
book
1:04:39
author,
1:04:39
one
1:04:40
of
1:04:40
the
1:04:40
things
1:04:40
I
1:04:40
saw
1:04:41
on
1:04:41
your
1:04:41
website
1:04:42
and
1:04:42
I
1:04:42
Loved
1:04:42
it
1:04:43
is
1:04:43
you
1:04:43
said
1:04:44
you
1:04:44
posted
1:04:45
your
1:04:45
goal
1:04:46
and
1:04:46
I
1:04:46
always
1:04:46
find
1:04:47
that
1:04:47
one
1:04:48
of
1:04:48
the
1:04:48
things
1:04:48
if
1:04:48
you
1:04:49
write
1:04:49
your
1:04:49
goal
1:04:49
down,
1:04:50
the
1:04:50
chances
1:04:51
of
1:04:51
you
1:04:51
succeed
1:04:52
seeding
1:04:53
are
1:04:53
much
1:04:53
higher
1:04:53
than
1:04:54
if
1:04:54
you
1:04:54
just
1:04:54
keep
1:04:55
it
1:04:55
in
1:04:55
the
1:04:55
back
1:04:55
of
1:04:56
your
1:04:56
mind.
1:04:57
And
1:04:57
in
1:04:57
today's
1:04:58
world
1:04:58
you
1:04:59
can
1:04:59
make
1:04:59
it
1:04:59
public
1:05:00
on
1:05:00
your
1:05:01
website.
1:05:01
You've
1:05:01
made
1:05:02
it
1:05:02
very
1:05:02
public.
1:05:03
So
1:05:03
you
1:05:03
say
1:05:04
I'm
1:05:04
just
1:05:04
going
1:05:04
to
1:05:04
read
1:05:04
what
1:05:04
it
1:05:05
says.
1:05:05
So
1:05:05
the
1:05:06
audience
1:05:07
knows
1:05:07
this.
1:05:07
My
1:05:08
book
1:05:08
goal
1:05:09
is
1:05:09
to
1:05:09
land
1:05:10
halfway
1:05:11
home
1:05:12
in
1:05:12
a
1:05:12
school
1:05:13
library
1:05:14
in
1:05:14
all
1:05:14
50
1:05:15
states.
1:05:16
Tell
1:05:16
us
1:05:16
a
1:05:17
little
1:05:17
bit
1:05:17
about
1:05:17
that.
1:05:17
Seems
1:05:18
quite
1:05:18
lofty.
1:05:19
And
1:05:20
also
1:05:20
tell
1:05:20
us
1:05:20
about
1:05:21
the
1:05:21
lend
1:05:21
a
1:05:21
paw
1:05:22
package.
1:05:23
Okay,
1:05:23
sure.
1:05:24
The
1:05:24
goal
1:05:25
got
1:05:26
a
1:05:26
little.
1:05:26
I
1:05:26
haven't
1:05:27
promoted
1:05:27
that
1:05:27
goal
1:05:28
other
1:05:28
than
1:05:28
the
1:05:28
pop
1:05:28
up
1:05:29
window
1:05:29
on
1:05:29
the
1:05:29
website
1:05:29
in
1:05:30
a
1:05:30
while
1:05:30
also
1:05:31
because
1:05:31
I
1:05:31
knew
1:05:32
I
1:05:32
was
1:05:32
going
1:05:33
to
1:05:33
do
1:05:33
the
1:05:33
second
1:05:33
edition
1:05:34
books
1:05:34
and
1:05:34
that's
1:05:35
one
1:05:35
of
1:05:35
my
1:05:36
launching
1:05:37
strategies
1:05:37
for
1:05:38
the
1:05:38
next
1:05:38
book
1:05:39
because
1:05:39
people
1:05:39
have
1:05:40
a
1:05:40
lot
1:05:40
of
1:05:40
people
1:05:40
already
1:05:41
have
1:05:41
my
1:05:41
book
1:05:42
that
1:05:42
are
1:05:42
particularly
1:05:43
in
1:05:43
my
1:05:43
world.
1:05:44
So
1:05:44
this
1:05:44
will
1:05:44
be
1:05:44
an
1:05:45
invitation
1:05:45
for
1:05:45
them
1:05:46
to
1:05:47
buy
1:05:47
a
1:05:47
copy
1:05:48
and
1:05:48
put
1:05:48
it
1:05:49
somewhere.
1:05:49
So
1:05:50
I
1:05:50
put
1:05:50
a
1:05:50
lot
1:05:50
of
1:05:51
intention
1:05:51
into
1:05:51
that.
1:05:52
So
1:05:52
I
1:05:52
have
1:05:52
these
1:05:52
little
1:05:53
postcards
1:05:53
so
1:05:53
that
1:05:54
when
1:05:54
someone
1:05:54
makes
1:05:54
the
1:05:54
donation
1:05:55
I
1:05:56
write
1:05:56
the
1:05:56
name
1:05:56
of
1:05:56
the
1:05:56
school
1:05:57
down
1:05:57
that
1:05:57
they're
1:05:57
donating
1:05:58
it
1:05:58
to
1:05:58
and
1:05:58
I
1:05:58
and
1:05:59
the
1:05:59
donor's
1:05:59
name
1:06:00
so
1:06:00
that
1:06:00
way
1:06:00
they
1:06:00
get
1:06:01
recognition.
1:06:01
And
1:06:01
when
1:06:01
it
1:06:02
arrives
1:06:02
at
1:06:02
the
1:06:02
school,
1:06:02
school
1:06:03
people
1:06:03
aren't
1:06:03
just
1:06:03
like
1:06:03
what
1:06:04
is
1:06:04
this
1:06:04
book?
1:06:04
Where
1:06:04
did
1:06:05
it
1:06:05
come
1:06:05
from?
1:06:06
And
1:06:06
so
1:06:06
I
1:06:06
let
1:06:06
them
1:06:06
know
1:06:07
that
1:06:07
and
1:06:07
then
1:06:07
I
1:06:07
also
1:06:08
send
1:06:09
a
1:06:09
follow
1:06:09
up
1:06:10
postcard
1:06:10
to
1:06:11
the
1:06:11
individual,
1:06:11
not
1:06:12
the
1:06:12
school
1:06:13
and
1:06:13
just
1:06:13
it's
1:06:14
the
1:06:14
same
1:06:14
postcard
1:06:15
and
1:06:15
I
1:06:15
just
1:06:15
show
1:06:15
them
1:06:16
that
1:06:16
this
1:06:16
is
1:06:16
what
1:06:17
was
1:06:17
delivered
1:06:17
in
1:06:17
your
1:06:18
book
1:06:18
and
1:06:19
I
1:06:19
might
1:06:19
send
1:06:19
them
1:06:19
a
1:06:19
bookmark
1:06:20
as
1:06:20
a
1:06:20
thank
1:06:20
you
1:06:21
again.
1:06:21
So
1:06:22
that's
1:06:22
all
1:06:22
that
1:06:22
right
1:06:23
there
1:06:23
is
1:06:23
why
1:06:23
there's
1:06:24
always
1:06:24
only
1:06:24
like
1:06:25
500
1:06:25
in
1:06:26
Aaron
1:06:26
Murphy
1:06:26
box
1:06:27
for
1:06:27
buying
1:06:28
cards
1:06:28
and
1:06:28
postage
1:06:29
and
1:06:29
you're
1:06:30
doing
1:06:30
extra
1:06:30
mailing
1:06:31
but
1:06:31
that's
1:06:31
okay.
1:06:32
Like
1:06:32
I
1:06:32
want
1:06:32
people
1:06:33
to
1:06:33
know
1:06:33
that
1:06:33
I
1:06:34
value
1:06:34
their,
1:06:34
their
1:06:35
purchase.
1:06:35
I
1:06:35
love
1:06:35
it.
1:06:36
Yeah.
1:06:36
So
1:06:37
right
1:06:37
behind
1:06:37
me
1:06:37
that
1:06:38
you
1:06:38
folks
1:06:38
can't
1:06:38
see
1:06:38
it,
1:06:38
this
1:06:39
is
1:06:39
my
1:06:39
map
1:06:39
tracker.
1:06:40
And
1:06:40
so
1:06:40
you
1:06:41
can
1:06:41
very
1:06:41
lightly
1:06:42
see
1:06:42
probably
1:06:42
from
1:06:43
your
1:06:43
perspective.
1:06:43
So
1:06:43
you're
1:06:43
down
1:06:44
the
1:06:44
west
1:06:44
coast
1:06:45
and
1:06:45
you're
1:06:45
down
1:06:46
the
1:06:46
east
1:06:46
coast.
1:06:47
Middle
1:06:47
America.
1:06:48
You're
1:06:48
killing
1:06:48
me.
1:06:49
Nobody
1:06:49
in
1:06:49
Minnesota,
1:06:51
the
1:06:51
Dakotas.
1:06:52
I
1:06:52
have
1:06:52
no
1:06:52
idea
1:06:52
how
1:06:53
I'm
1:06:53
going
1:06:53
to
1:06:53
get
1:06:53
there.
1:06:53
Where
1:06:54
I'm
1:06:54
hoping
1:06:54
to
1:06:54
tap
1:06:55
into
1:06:55
it
1:06:55
because
1:06:56
I
1:06:56
am
1:06:56
connected
1:06:57
to
1:06:57
so
1:06:57
many
1:06:57
folks
1:06:57
in
1:06:58
aviation.
1:06:58
Not
1:06:59
everyone
1:06:59
lives
1:07:00
locally
1:07:00
like
1:07:00
based
1:07:01
in
1:07:01
Newark.
1:07:01
We
1:07:01
got
1:07:02
to
1:07:02
get
1:07:02
you
1:07:02
into
1:07:02
the
1:07:02
Midwest.
1:07:03
Yeah,
1:07:04
we
1:07:04
got
1:07:04
to
1:07:04
get
1:07:04
me
1:07:04
in
1:07:04
the
1:07:04
Midwest
1:07:05
people.
1:07:06
But
1:07:06
I
1:07:06
have
1:07:06
aviation
1:07:07
people
1:07:07
who
1:07:08
live
1:07:08
elsewhere.
1:07:09
I
1:07:09
got
1:07:10
relatives
1:07:10
in
1:07:10
Arizona.
1:07:11
Maybe
1:07:11
I
1:07:11
can
1:07:11
help
1:07:12
there.
1:07:12
And
1:07:12
it
1:07:12
can
1:07:12
be
1:07:13
fun
1:07:13
though,
1:07:13
because
1:07:13
people
1:07:13
are
1:07:13
like,
1:07:14
oh
1:07:14
yeah.
1:07:14
And
1:07:14
then
1:07:14
I'll
1:07:14
do
1:07:15
some
1:07:15
kind
1:07:15
of
1:07:15
a
1:07:15
post
1:07:15
where
1:07:15
I
1:07:16
put
1:07:16
a
1:07:16
pin
1:07:16
in
1:07:16
the
1:07:16
map
1:07:17
and
1:07:17
I'll
1:07:17
tag
1:07:18
the
1:07:18
person
1:07:18
who
1:07:18
made
1:07:18
the
1:07:19
purchase.
1:07:19
So
1:07:19
I
1:07:19
try
1:07:19
to
1:07:20
do
1:07:20
a
1:07:20
lot
1:07:20
of
1:07:20
follow
1:07:20
through.
1:07:21
Wow.
1:07:22
Wow.
1:07:23
We
1:07:23
talked
1:07:23
about
1:07:23
the
1:07:24
writing
1:07:24
process,
1:07:24
but
1:07:25
I'm
1:07:25
also
1:07:25
interested
1:07:26
in
1:07:27
the
1:07:27
role
1:07:28
of
1:07:28
writing
1:07:29
in
1:07:29
your
1:07:29
life
1:07:30
because
1:07:30
you
1:07:30
got
1:07:30
a
1:07:30
very
1:07:30
busy
1:07:31
life
1:07:31
being
1:07:32
in
1:07:32
a
1:07:32
commercial
1:07:32
air,
1:07:33
airline
1:07:33
pilot,
1:07:34
helping
1:07:35
with
1:07:35
the
1:07:35
spca,
1:07:36
the
1:07:36
aviation
1:07:37
animal
1:07:38
adoption.
1:07:39
That's
1:07:40
a
1:07:40
lot.
1:07:41
So
1:07:41
tell
1:07:41
me
1:07:41
the
1:07:42
role
1:07:42
of
1:07:42
writing.
1:07:43
How
1:07:43
does
1:07:44
that
1:07:44
all
1:07:44
fit
1:07:44
into
1:07:45
all
1:07:45
of
1:07:45
that?
1:07:46
Typically,
1:07:46
I
1:07:46
write
1:07:47
the
1:07:47
most
1:07:47
on
1:07:47
my
1:07:48
work
1:07:48
layovers
1:07:49
because
1:07:49
I'm
1:07:49
alone
1:07:51
can
1:07:51
be
1:07:51
distracting.
1:07:52
Or
1:07:53
you
1:07:53
think,
1:07:53
geez,
1:07:53
I
1:07:54
should
1:07:54
be
1:07:54
doing
1:07:54
X,
1:07:54
Y
1:07:55
and
1:07:55
Z.
1:07:55
Which
1:07:55
in
1:07:56
reality
1:07:56
I
1:07:56
probably
1:07:56
should.
1:07:57
Primarily
1:07:58
happens
1:07:58
on
1:07:58
my
1:07:59
layovers.
1:07:59
I
1:08:00
really
1:08:00
enjoy
1:08:01
doing
1:08:01
that.
1:08:01
I
1:08:01
like
1:08:01
flying
1:08:02
a
1:08:02
cafe
1:08:02
or
1:08:03
snuggling
1:08:03
up
1:08:03
with
1:08:04
Netflix
1:08:04
in
1:08:04
the
1:08:04
background
1:08:05
in
1:08:05
my
1:08:05
hotel
1:08:06
room.
1:08:07
And
1:08:07
now
1:08:07
it
1:08:07
doesn't
1:08:08
dominate.
1:08:08
Like
1:08:08
I
1:08:08
still
1:08:09
like
1:08:09
to
1:08:09
go
1:08:09
out
1:08:09
and
1:08:09
about,
1:08:10
but
1:08:10
if
1:08:10
I
1:08:10
can
1:08:10
give
1:08:10
myself
1:08:11
a
1:08:11
good
1:08:11
hour
1:08:12
or
1:08:12
two
1:08:12
doing
1:08:13
that,
1:08:13
then
1:08:13
I
1:08:13
still
1:08:13
have
1:08:14
the.
1:08:14
So
1:08:15
do
1:08:15
you
1:08:15
specifically
1:08:16
set
1:08:17
an
1:08:17
amount
1:08:17
of
1:08:17
time
1:08:18
or
1:08:19
is
1:08:19
it
1:08:19
more
1:08:20
Loosey
1:08:20
goose?
1:08:21
Loosey
1:08:21
goosey.
1:08:22
Okay,
1:08:22
yeah,
1:08:22
okay.
1:08:23
I
1:08:23
do.
1:08:23
I
1:08:24
will
1:08:24
admit
1:08:24
though
1:08:25
too
1:08:25
that
1:08:25
I
1:08:25
do
1:08:26
feel
1:08:26
like
1:08:26
I
1:08:27
get
1:08:27
a
1:08:27
fever
1:08:28
for
1:08:28
it.
1:08:28
I
1:08:29
just
1:08:29
will
1:08:29
go
1:08:29
on
1:08:29
four
1:08:30
days
1:08:30
where
1:08:30
I
1:08:30
almost
1:08:30
can't
1:08:31
even
1:08:31
stop.
1:08:32
It
1:08:32
goes
1:08:32
in
1:08:32
waves
1:08:33
like
1:08:33
that.
1:08:34
I'm
1:08:34
interested
1:08:35
in
1:08:36
advice
1:08:36
for
1:08:37
aspiring
1:08:38
authors
1:08:38
because
1:08:39
you're
1:08:39
a
1:08:40
treasure
1:08:40
trove
1:08:40
of
1:08:41
so
1:08:41
many
1:08:41
different
1:08:42
things
1:08:42
that
1:08:42
you've
1:08:42
done
1:08:43
and
1:08:43
experimented
1:08:44
with.
1:08:45
To
1:08:45
an
1:08:45
aspiring
1:08:47
author,
1:08:47
what
1:08:48
kind
1:08:48
of
1:08:48
advice
1:08:49
would
1:08:49
you
1:08:49
give
1:08:50
to
1:08:51
get
1:08:51
them
1:08:51
started?
1:08:52
I
1:08:53
would
1:08:53
initially
1:08:53
just
1:08:54
start
1:08:54
taking
1:08:54
writing
1:08:55
courses.
1:08:56
So
1:08:56
things
1:08:56
that
1:08:57
now
1:08:57
let
1:08:57
give
1:08:58
me
1:08:58
like
1:08:58
two
1:08:58
examples
1:08:59
of
1:08:59
things
1:08:59
that
1:08:59
were
1:09:00
big
1:09:00
game
1:09:01
changers
1:09:01
for
1:09:02
me,
1:09:03
especially
1:09:04
speaking
1:09:05
to
1:09:05
picture
1:09:05
books.
1:09:06
I
1:09:06
had
1:09:07
no
1:09:07
idea
1:09:07
that
1:09:07
there
1:09:08
were
1:09:08
rules
1:09:09
to
1:09:09
a
1:09:09
picture
1:09:10
book
1:09:10
that
1:09:10
has
1:09:11
some
1:09:11
kind
1:09:11
of
1:09:11
merit.
1:09:11
Like
1:09:12
we
1:09:12
talked
1:09:12
about
1:09:13
elements
1:09:13
called
1:09:14
the
1:09:14
Rule
1:09:14
3,
1:09:14
the
1:09:15
Hero's
1:09:15
Journey
1:09:16
and
1:09:17
the
1:09:18
number
1:09:18
of
1:09:18
words
1:09:19
in
1:09:19
a
1:09:19
page
1:09:20
or
1:09:20
in
1:09:20
the
1:09:20
manuscript
1:09:21
in
1:09:21
general.
1:09:21
I
1:09:22
had
1:09:22
no
1:09:22
clue
1:09:23
about
1:09:24
that.
1:09:24
Some
1:09:24
things
1:09:25
that
1:09:25
I
1:09:25
did
1:09:25
learn
1:09:26
some
1:09:26
really
1:09:26
cool
1:09:27
tools
1:09:27
that
1:09:27
might
1:09:28
motivate
1:09:28
someone
1:09:28
to
1:09:29
actually
1:09:29
take
1:09:29
courses
1:09:30
or
1:09:30
just
1:09:31
do
1:09:31
some
1:09:31
kind
1:09:31
of
1:09:31
education
1:09:32
on
1:09:33
these
1:09:33
books.
1:09:33
You
1:09:33
don't
1:09:34
have
1:09:34
to,
1:09:34
but
1:09:34
this
1:09:35
is
1:09:35
just
1:09:35
what
1:09:35
helped
1:09:35
me.
1:09:36
So
1:09:37
I
1:09:37
was
1:09:37
told
1:09:38
or
1:09:38
invited
1:09:38
to
1:09:39
do
1:09:39
two
1:09:40
things
1:09:40
to
1:09:40
find
1:09:41
some
1:09:41
comparable
1:09:42
picture
1:09:42
books
1:09:42
that
1:09:43
I
1:09:43
liked.
1:09:43
And
1:09:43
I
1:09:43
love
1:09:44
Troy
1:09:44
Cummings.
1:09:45
He's
1:09:45
an
1:09:45
author
1:09:46
illustrator
1:09:46
and
1:09:46
he
1:09:46
does
1:09:46
like
1:09:47
a
1:09:47
Lot
1:09:47
of
1:09:47
dog
1:09:47
and
1:09:47
animal
1:09:48
books.
1:09:49
So
1:09:49
I
1:09:49
was
1:09:49
invited
1:09:49
to
1:09:50
write
1:09:50
those
1:09:50
books
1:09:51
out.
1:09:51
Like
1:09:52
literally
1:09:52
type
1:09:52
them
1:09:52
out
1:09:53
or
1:09:53
write
1:09:53
them
1:09:53
out.
1:09:54
And
1:09:54
I
1:09:55
felt
1:09:55
this
1:09:55
word
1:09:56
resistance
1:09:56
when
1:09:56
that
1:09:56
was
1:09:56
presented
1:09:57
to
1:09:57
me.
1:09:57
I'm
1:09:57
like,
1:09:58
I'm
1:09:58
not
1:09:58
going
1:09:58
to
1:09:58
sit
1:09:58
down
1:09:59
and
1:09:59
write
1:09:59
someone
1:09:59
else's
1:10:00
book.
1:10:00
I
1:10:00
don't
1:10:00
know
1:10:00
why
1:10:00
I
1:10:01
didn't
1:10:01
want
1:10:01
to
1:10:01
do
1:10:01
that.
1:10:01
I
1:10:01
just
1:10:02
thought
1:10:02
it
1:10:02
felt
1:10:02
like
1:10:03
a
1:10:03
waste
1:10:03
of
1:10:04
time,
1:10:04
basically,
1:10:05
however
1:10:05
I
1:10:06
did
1:10:06
it
1:10:06
and
1:10:07
the
1:10:07
whole
1:10:07
intention
1:10:08
of
1:10:08
the
1:10:08
exercise
1:10:08
is
1:10:08
to
1:10:09
show
1:10:09
you
1:10:09
how
1:10:09
few
1:10:10
words
1:10:10
there
1:10:10
are.
1:10:11
It's
1:10:11
almost
1:10:11
like
1:10:11
even
1:10:12
I
1:10:12
can
1:10:12
critique
1:10:12
mine.
1:10:13
That,
1:10:13
like,
1:10:13
I
1:10:13
probably
1:10:14
could
1:10:14
shave
1:10:14
down
1:10:14
probably
1:10:15
in
1:10:15
Darian
1:10:15
Dexter,
1:10:16
some
1:10:16
of
1:10:16
the
1:10:16
language
1:10:17
a
1:10:17
little
1:10:17
more.
1:10:17
I
1:10:17
still
1:10:18
hadn't
1:10:18
quite
1:10:18
figured
1:10:19
out
1:10:19
how
1:10:19
to
1:10:19
do
1:10:19
it.
1:10:19
But
1:10:19
when
1:10:20
you
1:10:20
see
1:10:20
someone
1:10:20
who
1:10:21
really
1:10:21
masters
1:10:21
it,
1:10:21
like
1:10:22
Troy
1:10:22
Cummings
1:10:23
is
1:10:23
a
1:10:23
great
1:10:23
example.
1:10:24
Jory
1:10:24
John
1:10:25
is
1:10:25
awesome.
1:10:26
He
1:10:26
does
1:10:26
like
1:10:26
the
1:10:27
Bad
1:10:27
Seed,
1:10:28
all
1:10:28
the
1:10:28
Good
1:10:29
egg.
1:10:29
All
1:10:29
his
1:10:29
books
1:10:30
are
1:10:30
hilarious
1:10:30
too.
1:10:31
Some
1:10:31
pages
1:10:32
that
1:10:33
either
1:10:33
have
1:10:33
no
1:10:33
words
1:10:34
or
1:10:34
there's
1:10:35
three
1:10:35
words,
1:10:35
just
1:10:35
thought,
1:10:36
yeah,
1:10:36
I
1:10:36
arrived,
1:10:37
or
1:10:37
I
1:10:37
went
1:10:38
here
1:10:38
and
1:10:38
somehow
1:10:38
it's
1:10:39
hilarious.
1:10:39
It's
1:10:40
really
1:10:40
good.
1:10:41
So
1:10:41
I
1:10:41
would
1:10:41
recommend
1:10:42
people
1:10:42
writing
1:10:43
out
1:10:43
comparative
1:10:44
books
1:10:44
that
1:10:44
they
1:10:44
are
1:10:44
inspired
1:10:45
by,
1:10:45
whether
1:10:45
it's
1:10:46
someone
1:10:46
well
1:10:46
known
1:10:47
like
1:10:47
Jury
1:10:47
John
1:10:48
or
1:10:48
Troy
1:10:49
Cummings,
1:10:49
or
1:10:49
another
1:10:50
indie
1:10:50
author
1:10:50
that
1:10:50
you're
1:10:51
really
1:10:51
admiring,
1:10:51
you
1:10:52
feel
1:10:52
attracted
1:10:52
to
1:10:52
at
1:10:53
that
1:10:53
time.
1:10:53
And
1:10:54
the
1:10:54
one
1:10:55
also,
1:10:56
it
1:10:56
takes
1:10:56
time,
1:10:57
too.
1:10:57
I'm
1:10:57
over
1:10:57
it.
1:10:58
I
1:10:58
don't
1:10:58
care
1:10:58
what
1:10:58
I
1:10:58
sound
1:10:58
like.
1:10:59
I'm
1:10:59
over
1:10:59
the.
1:11:00
You
1:11:00
probably
1:11:00
went
1:11:01
through
1:11:01
this
1:11:01
too,
1:11:01
doing
1:11:01
your
1:11:02
podcast,
1:11:02
but
1:11:02
I
1:11:02
know
1:11:03
what
1:11:03
I
1:11:03
sound
1:11:03
like
1:11:03
now.
1:11:03
It
1:11:04
doesn't
1:11:04
sound
1:11:04
weird
1:11:04
like
1:11:05
it
1:11:05
did
1:11:05
in
1:11:05
the
1:11:05
beginning,
1:11:05
but
1:11:06
I
1:11:06
do
1:11:07
a
1:11:07
voice
1:11:07
recording
1:11:08
of
1:11:08
what
1:11:08
I'm
1:11:08
reading
1:11:09
that
1:11:09
will
1:11:09
capture
1:11:10
two
1:11:10
things.
1:11:11
I
1:11:11
will
1:11:11
get
1:11:11
tongue
1:11:12
tied
1:11:12
if
1:11:13
I
1:11:13
have
1:11:13
too
1:11:13
many
1:11:13
words
1:11:14
that
1:11:14
begin
1:11:14
with
1:11:14
the
1:11:14
letter
1:11:15
S
1:11:15
in
1:11:15
a
1:11:15
row.
1:11:16
Because
1:11:16
I
1:11:16
like
1:11:16
alliteration.
1:11:17
I
1:11:17
do
1:11:18
that
1:11:18
in
1:11:18
both
1:11:18
of
1:11:18
the
1:11:19
books.
1:11:19
But
1:11:19
sometimes
1:11:20
I
1:11:20
get
1:11:20
carried
1:11:20
away
1:11:21
with
1:11:21
it.
1:11:21
Like,
1:11:22
I
1:11:22
might
1:11:22
have
1:11:22
an
1:11:23
alliteration
1:11:23
set,
1:11:24
pair
1:11:24
of
1:11:24
words,
1:11:24
and
1:11:24
then
1:11:25
the
1:11:25
third
1:11:25
word
1:11:26
down
1:11:26
is
1:11:26
another
1:11:27
S
1:11:27
word
1:11:28
and
1:11:28
you
1:11:28
just
1:11:28
can't
1:11:29
say
1:11:29
it.
1:11:30
Catch
1:11:31
that.
1:11:31
And
1:11:32
then
1:11:32
also
1:11:32
when
1:11:32
you
1:11:33
hear
1:11:33
it
1:11:33
back
1:11:33
too,
1:11:33
you'd
1:11:34
be
1:11:34
like,
1:11:34
man,
1:11:35
that
1:11:35
took
1:11:35
me
1:11:35
a
1:11:35
week
1:11:36
to
1:11:36
get
1:11:36
that
1:11:36
sentence.
1:11:37
But
1:11:37
it
1:11:37
stinks.
1:11:38
It
1:11:38
doesn't
1:11:38
tell.
1:11:39
It's
1:11:39
still
1:11:39
not
1:11:39
conveying
1:11:40
what
1:11:40
I'm
1:11:40
on
1:11:40
it
1:11:40
to.
1:11:41
So
1:11:41
I
1:11:41
would
1:11:42
recommend.
1:11:42
And
1:11:42
so
1:11:42
when
1:11:43
you
1:11:43
listen
1:11:43
to
1:11:43
these,
1:11:44
you
1:11:44
can
1:11:44
be
1:11:44
alone.
1:11:45
I
1:11:45
mean,
1:11:45
no
1:11:45
one
1:11:46
could
1:11:46
delete
1:11:46
when
1:11:46
you're.
1:11:47
And
1:11:47
that's
1:11:47
why
1:11:47
I
1:11:47
was
1:11:47
saying
1:11:48
out
1:11:48
of
1:11:48
the
1:11:48
mouths
1:11:48
of
1:11:49
babes.
1:11:49
Like,
1:11:49
when
1:11:50
I
1:11:50
have
1:11:50
my
1:11:51
grandchildren
1:11:51
record
1:11:52
the
1:11:52
stories
1:11:53
and
1:11:53
then
1:11:53
go
1:11:54
this.
1:11:55
If
1:11:55
they
1:11:55
can't,
1:11:56
they're
1:11:56
all
1:11:57
good
1:11:57
readers.
1:11:57
But
1:11:57
if
1:11:58
they
1:11:58
can't
1:11:58
read
1:11:58
a
1:11:58
word
1:11:59
or
1:11:59
it
1:11:59
doesn't
1:11:59
make
1:12:00
sense
1:12:00
when
1:12:01
they
1:12:01
say
1:12:01
to
1:12:01
me
1:12:02
this
1:12:02
isn't
1:12:03
for
1:12:03
a
1:12:03
7
1:12:04
year
1:12:04
old
1:12:04
or
1:12:04
8
1:12:05
year
1:12:05
old,
1:12:05
this
1:12:05
word.
1:12:06
Guess
1:12:06
what?
1:12:07
I
1:12:07
ask
1:12:08
them
1:12:08
what
1:12:08
kind
1:12:08
of
1:12:08
what
1:12:09
word
1:12:09
should
1:12:09
I
1:12:09
use?
1:12:10
I
1:12:10
love
1:12:10
that.
1:12:11
Oh,
1:12:11
that's
1:12:11
great.
1:12:11
That's
1:12:12
another
1:12:12
great
1:12:12
tool
1:12:12
then
1:12:13
too.
1:12:13
Absolutely.
1:12:14
And
1:12:14
so
1:12:14
when
1:12:14
I
1:12:15
listen
1:12:15
back
1:12:15
to
1:12:15
my
1:12:15
audio
1:12:16
stuff,
1:12:16
I'm
1:12:17
just
1:12:17
like
1:12:17
running
1:12:17
errands.
1:12:18
Like
1:12:18
I'm
1:12:18
going
1:12:18
to
1:12:18
the
1:12:18
dry
1:12:19
cleaners
1:12:19
or
1:12:19
the
1:12:19
grocery
1:12:19
store.
1:12:20
I
1:12:20
just
1:12:20
pop
1:12:20
it
1:12:20
in
1:12:20
my
1:12:21
car
1:12:21
and
1:12:21
I
1:12:22
just
1:12:22
listen
1:12:22
to
1:12:22
it.
1:12:22
Then
1:12:23
again,
1:12:23
I
1:12:23
could
1:12:23
be
1:12:23
alone.
1:12:24
So
1:12:24
you
1:12:24
don't
1:12:25
have
1:12:25
to
1:12:25
feel
1:12:25
self
1:12:25
conscious
1:12:26
about
1:12:26
anything.
1:12:27
So
1:12:28
those
1:12:28
are
1:12:28
the
1:12:28
kind
1:12:28
of
1:12:28
things
1:12:29
that
1:12:29
I.
1:12:29
So
1:12:29
I
1:12:29
would
1:12:29
really
1:12:30
recommend
1:12:30
people
1:12:31
taking
1:12:31
some
1:12:31
kind
1:12:31
of
1:12:32
educational
1:12:33
courses.
1:12:34
But
1:12:34
for
1:12:34
instance,
1:12:35
if
1:12:35
I
1:12:35
published
1:12:36
that
1:12:36
first
1:12:37
rhyme
1:12:37
version
1:12:37
of
1:12:38
Halfway
1:12:38
Home,
1:12:39
I
1:12:39
probably
1:12:40
would
1:12:40
want
1:12:40
to
1:12:40
crawl
1:12:40
into
1:12:41
a
1:12:41
foxhole.
1:12:42
It
1:12:42
wasn't
1:12:42
the
1:12:42
right
1:12:43
story.
1:12:43
Like
1:12:44
it's
1:12:44
cute.
1:12:44
But
1:12:45
as
1:12:45
far
1:12:45
as
1:12:45
what
1:12:45
it's
1:12:46
evolved
1:12:46
to,
1:12:47
I
1:12:47
would
1:12:47
have
1:12:47
missed
1:12:48
that
1:12:48
opportunity
1:12:48
if
1:12:49
I
1:12:49
didn't
1:12:49
educate
1:12:49
myself.
1:12:50
But
1:12:51
again,
1:12:51
the
1:12:52
thing
1:12:52
I
1:12:52
want
1:12:52
to
1:12:52
point
1:12:53
out
1:12:53
to
1:12:53
everybody
1:12:54
is
1:12:54
Erin
1:12:55
did
1:12:56
it.
1:12:56
She
1:12:56
had
1:12:57
this
1:12:57
story
1:12:57
that
1:12:57
had
1:12:57
to
1:12:58
get
1:12:58
out
1:12:58
of
1:12:58
her.
1:12:59
She
1:12:59
got
1:12:59
it
1:12:59
down
1:13:00
and
1:13:00
she
1:13:00
brought
1:13:01
it
1:13:01
to
1:13:01
life.
1:13:01
And
1:13:01
Aaron,
1:13:02
if
1:13:02
you
1:13:02
hadn't
1:13:03
have
1:13:03
done
1:13:03
the
1:13:03
first
1:13:03
book,
1:13:04
you
1:13:05
wouldn't
1:13:05
have
1:13:05
done
1:13:05
the
1:13:05
second
1:13:06
book
1:13:06
and
1:13:07
you
1:13:07
wouldn't
1:13:07
have
1:13:08
come
1:13:08
into
1:13:08
the
1:13:08
second
1:13:09
edition.
1:13:10
So
1:13:10
that's
1:13:11
what
1:13:11
I
1:13:11
try
1:13:11
for
1:13:12
aspiring
1:13:12
authors
1:13:13
is,
1:13:13
you
1:13:13
know
1:13:14
what?
1:13:14
Just
1:13:15
do
1:13:15
it.
1:13:15
Yeah,
1:13:16
just
1:13:16
do
1:13:16
it.
1:13:16
You'll
1:13:17
figure
1:13:17
you'll
1:13:17
find
1:13:17
your
1:13:17
way.
1:13:18
And
1:13:18
like
1:13:18
we
1:13:18
talked
1:13:19
about
1:13:19
the
1:13:19
self
1:13:20
publishing,
1:13:20
the
1:13:20
hybrid
1:13:21
and
1:13:21
the
1:13:21
traditional.
1:13:22
So
1:13:22
I
1:13:22
can
1:13:23
say
1:13:23
for
1:13:23
myself,
1:13:24
I
1:13:24
eventually
1:13:25
wanted
1:13:25
knew
1:13:26
that
1:13:26
I
1:13:26
wanted
1:13:26
to
1:13:26
work
1:13:26
at
1:13:26
one
1:13:27
of
1:13:27
the
1:13:27
three
1:13:27
major
1:13:28
legacy
1:13:28
airlines.
1:13:29
That
1:13:29
was
1:13:29
important
1:13:29
to
1:13:30
me.
1:13:30
So
1:13:30
if
1:13:30
you
1:13:31
feel
1:13:31
that
1:13:31
is
1:13:31
important
1:13:32
to
1:13:32
you,
1:13:32
I
1:13:32
want
1:13:32
to
1:13:32
be
1:13:32
represented
1:13:33
by
1:13:33
an
1:13:33
agent
1:13:33
and
1:13:34
I
1:13:34
want
1:13:34
a
1:13:34
traditional
1:13:34
publisher
1:13:35
and
1:13:35
I
1:13:35
want
1:13:35
to
1:13:35
do
1:13:36
this
1:13:36
in
1:13:37
a
1:13:37
very
1:13:37
academic,
1:13:38
professional
1:13:39
way.
1:13:39
Go
1:13:40
that
1:13:40
course.
1:13:41
It
1:13:41
will
1:13:41
take
1:13:41
time,
1:13:42
but
1:13:42
you
1:13:42
go
1:13:42
that
1:13:43
way.
1:13:43
I
1:13:43
just
1:13:43
think
1:13:43
eventually
1:13:44
your
1:13:44
instincts
1:13:44
start
1:13:45
to
1:13:45
tell
1:13:45
you
1:13:45
what
1:13:45
to
1:13:45
do.
1:13:46
I
1:13:47
recently
1:13:48
too
1:13:48
that
1:13:48
she
1:13:48
is
1:13:49
has
1:13:49
a
1:13:49
contracting
1:13:50
agent
1:13:50
and
1:13:50
she
1:13:50
has
1:13:50
a
1:13:50
traditional
1:13:51
publishing
1:13:51
house
1:13:51
and
1:13:51
then
1:13:52
she
1:13:52
like
1:13:52
self
1:13:52
published
1:13:53
two
1:13:53
books.
1:13:54
So
1:13:54
I
1:13:54
would
1:13:55
also
1:13:55
keep
1:13:55
in
1:13:55
mind
1:13:55
if
1:13:55
you
1:13:56
did
1:13:56
traditional,
1:13:56
make
1:13:56
sure
1:13:57
there's
1:13:57
in
1:13:57
the
1:13:57
contract
1:13:58
somewhere
1:13:58
that
1:13:58
you
1:13:58
can
1:13:58
also
1:13:58
self
1:13:59
publish.
1:13:59
Because
1:14:00
it's
1:14:00
like
1:14:01
I
1:14:01
just
1:14:01
want
1:14:01
to
1:14:01
do
1:14:01
this
1:14:01
book
1:14:02
and
1:14:02
bang
1:14:02
it
1:14:02
out.
1:14:02
I
1:14:02
don't
1:14:03
want
1:14:03
to
1:14:03
wait
1:14:03
four
1:14:03
years
1:14:03
and
1:14:04
have
1:14:04
my
1:14:04
editor
1:14:04
look
1:14:04
at
1:14:05
it.
1:14:05
I
1:14:05
know
1:14:05
how
1:14:05
to
1:14:06
do
1:14:06
it.
1:14:07
Agreed.
1:14:08
Encouragement
1:14:08
for
1:14:09
readers
1:14:10
because
1:14:10
without
1:14:10
the
1:14:11
readers
1:14:11
that's
1:14:11
our
1:14:12
audience.
1:14:12
Tell
1:14:12
me,
1:14:13
why
1:14:14
should
1:14:14
children's
1:14:15
book
1:14:16
readers
1:14:17
purchase
1:14:17
your
1:14:18
book?
1:14:18
Why
1:14:19
should
1:14:19
they
1:14:19
purchase
1:14:20
my
1:14:20
book?
1:14:20
I
1:14:20
would
1:14:21
say
1:14:21
because
1:14:21
it,
1:14:22
what
1:14:22
I
1:14:22
circled
1:14:23
back
1:14:23
to
1:14:23
earlier,
1:14:24
it
1:14:24
highlights
1:14:25
things
1:14:25
that
1:14:25
are
1:14:26
less
1:14:26
popular.
1:14:27
So
1:14:28
animal
1:14:28
rescues
1:14:29
are
1:14:30
not
1:14:31
completely
1:14:31
absent.
1:14:32
But
1:14:33
some
1:14:33
things
1:14:33
that
1:14:34
have
1:14:34
popped
1:14:34
up
1:14:35
for
1:14:35
me
1:14:35
that
1:14:36
were
1:14:36
extremely
1:14:37
unexpected
1:14:37
and
1:14:37
really
1:14:38
welcomed
1:14:38
is
1:14:39
more
1:14:39
than
1:14:40
I
1:14:40
can
1:14:40
count
1:14:40
at
1:14:41
this
1:14:41
point.
1:14:42
People
1:14:42
that
1:14:42
have
1:14:43
been
1:14:43
fostered
1:14:44
or
1:14:44
children
1:14:45
that
1:14:45
are
1:14:45
in
1:14:45
foster
1:14:46
or
1:14:46
have
1:14:46
experienced
1:14:47
adoption
1:14:48
or
1:14:48
in
1:14:48
adoptive
1:14:49
families
1:14:49
have
1:14:50
reached
1:14:50
out
1:14:50
and
1:14:50
said
1:14:51
this
1:14:51
book
1:14:51
was
1:14:51
really
1:14:51
great
1:14:52
because
1:14:52
we
1:14:53
weren't
1:14:53
really
1:14:53
ready
1:14:54
for
1:14:54
a
1:14:54
human
1:14:55
adoption
1:14:56
story
1:14:56
because
1:14:56
we
1:14:56
just
1:14:57
adopted
1:14:57
or
1:14:57
we
1:14:58
just
1:14:58
started
1:14:58
fostering.
1:14:59
But
1:14:59
it
1:14:59
was
1:14:59
great
1:15:00
to
1:15:00
have
1:15:00
the
1:15:00
dog
1:15:01
be
1:15:01
the
1:15:01
buffer,
1:15:02
but
1:15:02
we
1:15:02
can
1:15:02
still
1:15:03
have
1:15:03
conversation.
1:15:04
That
1:15:04
was
1:15:04
not
1:15:05
my
1:15:05
intention
1:15:06
at
1:15:06
all.
1:15:06
And
1:15:07
that
1:15:07
has
1:15:07
also
1:15:08
blossomed
1:15:08
into
1:15:08
me
1:15:09
volunteering.
1:15:10
I
1:15:10
started
1:15:10
to
1:15:10
think
1:15:10
about
1:15:11
how
1:15:11
can
1:15:11
I
1:15:11
get
1:15:11
involved
1:15:12
with
1:15:12
some
1:15:12
kids
1:15:12
in
1:15:12
that
1:15:13
demographic.
1:15:14
And
1:15:14
I
1:15:14
started
1:15:14
to
1:15:14
volunteer
1:15:15
with
1:15:15
a
1:15:16
an
1:15:16
organization
1:15:17
in
1:15:17
my
1:15:17
town
1:15:17
that
1:15:17
has
1:15:18
an
1:15:18
outreach
1:15:18
book
1:15:19
club.
1:15:19
So
1:15:20
some
1:15:20
of
1:15:20
the
1:15:20
kids
1:15:20
fall
1:15:21
into
1:15:21
that
1:15:21
category.
1:15:22
But
1:15:22
that
1:15:22
was
1:15:22
like
1:15:23
really
1:15:23
unexpected
1:15:24
and
1:15:25
I
1:15:25
mean
1:15:25
I
1:15:25
love
1:15:25
it.
1:15:25
I
1:15:26
had
1:15:26
no
1:15:26
idea
1:15:26
that
1:15:26
I
1:15:26
was
1:15:27
going
1:15:27
to
1:15:27
impact
1:15:27
people.
1:15:28
I
1:15:28
thought
1:15:28
I
1:15:28
was
1:15:28
just
1:15:28
talking
1:15:28
about
1:15:29
planes
1:15:29
and
1:15:29
dogs.
1:15:30
Right.
1:15:31
So
1:15:31
I
1:15:31
would
1:15:31
say
1:15:31
anyone,
1:15:32
the
1:15:32
people
1:15:33
who
1:15:33
are
1:15:33
interested
1:15:34
or
1:15:34
any
1:15:34
of
1:15:34
that
1:15:35
found
1:15:35
family
1:15:35
theme
1:15:36
speaks
1:15:37
to
1:15:37
you.
1:15:37
I'd
1:15:37
say
1:15:37
my
1:15:38
books
1:15:38
are
1:15:38
absolutely
1:15:39
for
1:15:39
you.
1:15:39
Even
1:15:39
if
1:15:40
you're
1:15:40
not
1:15:40
particularly
1:15:41
a
1:15:41
dog
1:15:41
lover
1:15:42
or
1:15:42
animal
1:15:43
rescue,
1:15:43
not
1:15:44
the
1:15:44
thing
1:15:44
that
1:15:44
really
1:15:44
speaks
1:15:45
to
1:15:45
you.
1:15:45
But
1:15:45
if
1:15:45
something
1:15:46
about
1:15:46
family
1:15:47
found
1:15:47
family,
1:15:48
adoption
1:15:48
and
1:15:48
fostering,
1:15:49
then
1:15:49
my
1:15:50
books
1:15:50
are
1:15:50
completely
1:15:50
for
1:15:51
you.
1:15:51
And
1:15:52
if
1:15:52
a
1:15:52
reader
1:15:53
wanted
1:15:53
to
1:15:53
purchase
1:15:54
your
1:15:54
book,
1:15:54
look,
1:15:55
I
1:15:55
know
1:15:56
we
1:15:56
talked
1:15:56
about
1:15:56
Amazon,
1:15:57
we've
1:15:57
talked
1:15:58
about
1:15:58
on
1:15:59
your
1:15:59
website.
1:16:00
Tell
1:16:00
us
1:16:00
a
1:16:01
little
1:16:01
bit
1:16:01
more
1:16:01
about
1:16:02
the
1:16:02
best
1:16:02
way
1:16:03
to
1:16:03
get
1:16:03
your
1:16:03
book.
1:16:04
Particularly
1:16:04
right
1:16:05
now,
1:16:05
my
1:16:05
books,
1:16:06
the
1:16:06
best
1:16:06
place
1:16:07
is
1:16:07
to
1:16:07
get
1:16:07
them
1:16:07
through
1:16:08
my
1:16:08
website.
1:16:09
And
1:16:10
they
1:16:10
are
1:16:10
all
1:16:11
my
1:16:11
first
1:16:11
editions
1:16:12
are
1:16:12
still
1:16:12
currently
1:16:12
available
1:16:13
on
1:16:13
Amazon.
1:16:14
Barnes
1:16:14
and
1:16:14
Noble
1:16:15
and
1:16:15
ingramsparks
1:16:15
like
1:16:16
they
1:16:16
are
1:16:16
still
1:16:16
in
1:16:16
there,
1:16:17
but
1:16:17
they
1:16:17
do
1:16:18
have
1:16:18
a
1:16:18
limited
1:16:18
stock
1:16:19
like
1:16:19
they
1:16:19
all
1:16:19
know
1:16:20
that.
1:16:20
I'm
1:16:20
getting
1:16:20
ready
1:16:20
to
1:16:21
close
1:16:21
out
1:16:21
those
1:16:22
initial
1:16:22
ISBN
1:16:23
numbers
1:16:24
this
1:16:24
month
1:16:24
so
1:16:25
you
1:16:25
can
1:16:25
order
1:16:26
them
1:16:26
like
1:16:26
people
1:16:27
who
1:16:27
listen
1:16:27
to
1:16:27
this
1:16:28
soon.
1:16:29
But
1:16:29
my
1:16:29
second
1:16:29
editions
1:16:30
will
1:16:30
be
1:16:30
available
1:16:31
by
1:16:31
the
1:16:31
end
1:16:32
of
1:16:32
February.
1:16:33
I
1:16:33
personally
1:16:34
always
1:16:34
encourage
1:16:34
people
1:16:35
to
1:16:35
order
1:16:35
from
1:16:35
my
1:16:36
website.
1:16:36
I
1:16:37
know
1:16:37
what
1:16:37
the
1:16:37
book
1:16:37
looks
1:16:38
like.
1:16:38
I
1:16:38
can
1:16:38
make
1:16:38
sure
1:16:38
it's
1:16:39
not
1:16:39
damaged.
1:16:40
I
1:16:40
like
1:16:40
to
1:16:40
add
1:16:40
a
1:16:41
little
1:16:41
extra
1:16:41
into
1:16:42
that.
1:16:42
It
1:16:42
does
1:16:43
support
1:16:43
the
1:16:43
author
1:16:44
in
1:16:44
that
1:16:44
investment
1:16:45
return
1:16:45
that
1:16:45
we're
1:16:46
all
1:16:46
trying
1:16:46
to
1:16:47
gain
1:16:47
back.
1:16:48
Much
1:16:48
more
1:16:49
monetarily
1:16:49
so
1:16:50
than
1:16:50
ingramsparks
1:16:51
or
1:16:51
Amazon.
1:16:52
Snag
1:16:52
the
1:16:52
book.
1:16:53
However
1:16:53
your
1:16:53
heart
1:16:53
feels
1:16:54
when
1:16:54
I
1:16:54
first
1:16:54
learned
1:16:54
this,
1:16:55
I
1:16:55
did
1:16:55
a
1:16:55
little
1:16:56
kind
1:16:57
of
1:16:57
like
1:16:57
hammering
1:16:58
on
1:16:58
the
1:16:58
website.
1:16:59
And
1:17:00
I
1:17:00
mean,
1:17:00
I'll
1:17:00
still
1:17:00
suggest
1:17:01
it
1:17:01
and
1:17:01
tell
1:17:01
everyone
1:17:02
it's
1:17:02
the
1:17:02
best
1:17:02
way
1:17:03
to
1:17:03
support
1:17:03
any
1:17:03
independent
1:17:04
author
1:17:05
if
1:17:05
they
1:17:05
offer
1:17:06
it
1:17:06
on
1:17:06
their
1:17:06
website
1:17:07
or
1:17:07
offer
1:17:07
a
1:17:07
sales
1:17:08
to
1:17:08
their
1:17:08
website.
1:17:09
However,
1:17:10
just
1:17:10
however
1:17:10
you
1:17:10
get
1:17:11
the
1:17:11
book
1:17:11
and
1:17:11
you
1:17:11
enjoy
1:17:11
it,
1:17:12
it
1:17:12
makes
1:17:12
me
1:17:12
happy.
1:17:13
Final
1:17:14
thoughts.
1:17:14
I.
1:17:14
This
1:17:15
was
1:17:15
a
1:17:15
great
1:17:15
interview.
1:17:16
I
1:17:16
loved
1:17:16
it.
1:17:17
And
1:17:17
that's
1:17:17
what
1:17:17
my
1:17:17
final
1:17:18
thought
1:17:18
was.
1:17:18
I
1:17:18
already
1:17:18
had
1:17:19
it.
1:17:19
I'm
1:17:19
like,
1:17:19
I'm
1:17:19
going
1:17:19
to
1:17:19
start
1:17:19
to.
1:17:20
I
1:17:20
need
1:17:20
to
1:17:20
share
1:17:21
some
1:17:21
more
1:17:21
authors
1:17:21
with
1:17:22
him
1:17:22
or
1:17:22
see
1:17:22
what
1:17:22
his
1:17:22
schedule
1:17:23
is
1:17:23
because
1:17:24
especially
1:17:24
if
1:17:24
you're
1:17:25
interested
1:17:25
in
1:17:25
expanding
1:17:26
upon
1:17:27
some
1:17:27
other
1:17:27
authors
1:17:28
in
1:17:28
the
1:17:28
aviation
1:17:29
realm,
1:17:29
I
1:17:29
can,
1:17:29
I
1:17:30
have
1:17:30
met
1:17:30
some.
1:17:30
I'm
1:17:31
wide
1:17:31
open.
1:17:32
I
1:17:32
got
1:17:32
your
1:17:32
name,
1:17:32
as
1:17:33
you
1:17:33
know,
1:17:33
from
1:17:33
Terry
1:17:34
Lindga,
1:17:34
who
1:17:34
was
1:17:35
a
1:17:35
guest
1:17:35
on
1:17:36
the
1:17:36
show.
1:17:36
Yeah,
1:17:37
I
1:17:37
love
1:17:37
that.
1:17:38
Yeah.
1:17:39
You
1:17:39
know
1:17:39
what?
1:17:39
Terry's
1:17:40
been
1:17:40
great.
1:17:40
She's
1:17:41
even
1:17:41
asked
1:17:42
if
1:17:43
myself
1:17:44
and
1:17:44
my
1:17:45
granddaughter,
1:17:46
who's
1:17:46
the
1:17:46
co
1:17:46
author
1:17:47
of
1:17:47
our
1:17:47
book,
1:17:48
would
1:17:48
actually
1:17:49
mind
1:17:49
doing
1:17:49
a
1:17:49
podcast
1:17:50
where
1:17:50
we
1:17:50
actually
1:17:51
read
1:17:52
her
1:17:52
book
1:17:52
in
1:17:52
advance
1:17:53
as
1:17:53
part
1:17:53
of
1:17:54
the
1:17:54
launch
1:17:54
of
1:17:54
her
1:17:55
next
1:17:55
book.
1:17:55
Oh,
1:17:56
I
1:17:56
love
1:17:56
it.
1:17:57
My
1:17:57
granddaughter
1:17:58
and
1:17:58
I
1:17:58
are
1:17:58
getting
1:17:58
together
1:17:59
on
1:17:59
Wednesday
1:18:00
to
1:18:00
discuss
1:18:00
it.
1:18:01
We.
1:18:01
We
1:18:01
didn't
1:18:02
think
1:18:02
that
1:18:02
opportunity
1:18:03
would
1:18:03
come.
1:18:03
But
1:18:04
you
1:18:04
know
1:18:04
what?
1:18:04
Love,
1:18:05
love
1:18:05
to
1:18:05
support
1:18:06
Terri.
1:18:06
So.
1:18:07
Yeah,
1:18:07
yeah,
1:18:08
I
1:18:08
know
1:18:08
she
1:18:09
is.
1:18:09
It's
1:18:09
so
1:18:09
funny
1:18:10
because
1:18:10
she
1:18:10
has
1:18:10
complimented
1:18:11
me
1:18:11
so
1:18:11
much
1:18:11
on
1:18:12
my
1:18:12
website
1:18:12
and
1:18:12
I've
1:18:12
heard
1:18:13
her
1:18:13
say
1:18:13
that
1:18:13
in
1:18:13
her
1:18:13
podcast,
1:18:14
you
1:18:14
know,
1:18:14
name
1:18:15
me.
1:18:15
But
1:18:15
I
1:18:15
knew
1:18:15
who
1:18:15
she
1:18:16
said.
1:18:16
My,
1:18:16
my
1:18:17
husband's
1:18:17
cousin's
1:18:18
relative,
1:18:18
et
1:18:18
cetera.
1:18:19
That
1:18:19
was
1:18:19
me.
1:18:20
And
1:18:21
she
1:18:21
was
1:18:21
like,
1:18:21
oh,
1:18:21
Aaron.
1:18:22
And
1:18:22
she
1:18:22
had
1:18:22
messaged
1:18:22
me
1:18:23
several
1:18:23
times
1:18:23
like,
1:18:23
you've
1:18:23
really
1:18:24
inspired
1:18:24
my
1:18:24
website.
1:18:25
My
1:18:25
whatever.
1:18:26
And
1:18:26
it's
1:18:26
so
1:18:26
funny
1:18:27
because
1:18:27
I
1:18:27
just
1:18:27
told
1:18:27
you
1:18:28
my
1:18:28
website
1:18:28
is
1:18:28
like
1:18:28
my
1:18:29
Achilles
1:18:29
is
1:18:30
one
1:18:30
of
1:18:30
my
1:18:30
challenges.
1:18:31
I
1:18:31
can't
1:18:31
say
1:18:31
it's
1:18:31
my
1:18:31
Achilles
1:18:32
heel,
1:18:32
but
1:18:32
it
1:18:32
does
1:18:33
cause
1:18:33
me
1:18:33
some
1:18:33
angst.
1:18:34
So
1:18:34
I
1:18:34
appreciated
1:18:35
that
1:18:35
she's
1:18:35
getting
1:18:36
something
1:18:36
out
1:18:36
of
1:18:36
it,
1:18:36
but
1:18:37
I
1:18:37
will
1:18:37
be
1:18:37
cleaning
1:18:38
it
1:18:38
up
1:18:38
this
1:18:38
week,
1:18:38
so
1:18:39
I'm
1:18:39
excited
1:18:39
for
1:18:39
it
1:18:39
to
1:18:39
get
1:18:40
even
1:18:40
better.
1:18:40
Good
1:18:40
for
1:18:40
you.
1:18:41
I
1:18:41
want
1:18:41
to
1:18:41
thank
1:18:42
you
1:18:42
for
1:18:42
being
1:18:42
a
1:18:42
guest
1:18:43
on
1:18:43
the
1:18:43
Adventures
1:18:44
in
1:18:44
the
1:18:44
Heart
1:18:44
of
1:18:45
Children's
1:18:45
Book
1:18:45
Authors
1:18:46
podcast.
1:18:47
The
1:18:47
generosity
1:18:48
of
1:18:49
time
1:18:49
is
1:18:49
wow.
1:18:50
The
1:18:50
insights
1:18:51
you're
1:18:51
sharing.
1:18:52
It's
1:18:52
nice
1:18:53
to
1:18:53
have
1:18:53
someone
1:18:53
come
1:18:53
on
1:18:54
and
1:18:54
talk
1:18:54
about
1:18:55
going
1:18:55
from
1:18:55
their
1:18:56
first
1:18:56
book
1:18:56
to
1:18:56
their
1:18:56
second
1:18:57
book
1:18:57
and
1:18:57
bringing
1:18:57
it
1:18:58
to
1:18:58
life.
1:18:58
I
1:18:59
want
1:18:59
to
1:18:59
let
1:18:59
the
1:18:59
listeners
1:19:00
know.
1:19:00
We
1:19:00
promise
1:19:01
to
1:19:01
provide
1:19:02
the
1:19:02
audience
1:19:02
with
1:19:03
all
1:19:03
the
1:19:03
links
1:19:04
that
1:19:04
you've
1:19:04
talked
1:19:04
about,
1:19:05
including
1:19:05
all
1:19:06
the
1:19:06
social
1:19:06
media
1:19:07
links.
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If
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