Latest / Crime Stories with Nancy Grace / GORGEOUS MOM DISAPPEARS FROM OWN HOME: WHERE'S ECHO?

Transcript

GORGEOUS MOM DISAPPEARS FROM OWN HOME: WHERE'S ECHO? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

0:00
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
0:06
Speaker 2: A gorgeous mom disappears from her own home. Where is Echo?
0:13
Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
0:16
Speaker 2: being with us.
0:17
Speaker 3: A Missouri mother disappears last scene at a local discount store.
0:22
Speaker 3: Her family desperate to find Echo Lloyd.
0:26
Speaker 1: Mom for Echo.
0:27
Speaker 2: Lloyd goes to a discount store, then comes home and
0:30
Speaker 2: is apparently never seen again.
0:34
Speaker 1: That doesn't make sense, listen.
0:36
Speaker 4: Kelsey Smith drops by her mother's home with Mother's Day gifts.
0:40
Speaker 4: Echo's car is not in the driveway. Kelsey leaves a
0:43
Speaker 4: purple potted plant and a card. The card has a
0:47
Speaker 4: message for Echo to call when she gets the gifts.
0:50
Speaker 1: Echo doesn't.
0:51
Speaker 4: After a week with no contact, Kelsey returns to her
0:54
Speaker 4: mom's home.
0:55
Speaker 2: Highly highly unusual for Mom Echo to go over a
1:01
Speaker 2: day without speaking to her daughter. The daughter going to
1:05
Speaker 2: the home banging banging on the door, trying to reach Mom.
1:09
Speaker 2: Echo can't reach her. Take a look at this beautiful
1:13
Speaker 2: mom of four Echo Lloyd.
1:17
Speaker 1: Where is Echo? Joining me?
1:20
Speaker 2: Wendy Patrick, renowned prosecutor, author of Why Bad Looks So Good?
1:24
Speaker 2: Second book, Reading People, How to Understand people, predict their
1:27
Speaker 2: behavior anytime, any place. She is the star of Today
1:31
Speaker 2: with doctor Wendy on Casey BQ Wendy. Behavior evidence or
1:39
Speaker 2: routine evidence not predictable as in routine, but evidence of
1:44
Speaker 2: your normal routine.
1:46
Speaker 1: For instance, if the camera.
1:48
Speaker 2: Came to this seat and I was not in it,
1:51
Speaker 2: that would be breaking routine and that means something path Wendy,
1:57
Speaker 2: what does it mean?
1:58
Speaker 5: It is powerful evidence of how of custom, of pattern
2:01
Speaker 5: of practice, and it comes into evidence most frequently when
2:05
Speaker 5: there's a gap. When there's a lag, when somebody like
2:08
Speaker 5: Echo who follows the same routine, or anybody it suddenly
2:12
Speaker 5: fails to follow the routine. They're disappearing. They don't show
2:16
Speaker 5: up at work, they don't show up to pick children
2:17
Speaker 5: up from school.
2:18
Speaker 6: So that type of.
2:19
Speaker 5: Pattern evidence, even the route somebody takes to and from.
2:22
Speaker 6: Work, all of that is powerful evidence in court.
2:26
Speaker 5: When it's disrupted, that's when we start asking questions.
2:29
Speaker 2: The break and ones predictable routine. Think about it, Do
2:34
Speaker 2: you have a routine?
2:36
Speaker 1: I do. I wake up at five o'clock, I clean
2:40
Speaker 1: out the guinea pig cage. I take care of my
2:42
Speaker 1: mom and take her breakfast.
2:44
Speaker 2: I then wake up the twins, get them ready and
2:47
Speaker 2: out the door for school and then my work day starts.
2:50
Speaker 1: That is a predictable routine.
2:55
Speaker 2: Same thing happened in another very high profile case, the
2:59
Speaker 2: disappearance of a beautiful young girl, Jennifer Kessi.
3:03
Speaker 7: It looked like she slept in her bed. She had
3:05
Speaker 7: two or three outfits laid out on the bed as
3:07
Speaker 7: if she was choosing an outfit to wear she as
3:12
Speaker 7: was stated, the bathroom looked like someone got ready to
3:15
Speaker 7: go to work. The rest of the condo was just perfect.
3:18
Speaker 7: It honestly looked like a maid came through, right down
3:21
Speaker 7: to a full setting, four piece setting table setting on
3:25
Speaker 7: her dining room table.
3:26
Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense joining me is a veteran PI
3:32
Speaker 2: twenty six years on the police force as a detective
3:36
Speaker 2: now with Barry and Associates Investigative Services. Did you hear
3:40
Speaker 2: that Barry talking about Jennifer Kessy And oh that was
3:42
Speaker 2: me speaking to her father, Drew Cassie. We've been working
3:47
Speaker 2: that cold case for so long, but that heartbreaking detail
3:51
Speaker 2: of her keeping her little condo so perfect and in
3:55
Speaker 2: order that she even had the four piece table setting
4:00
Speaker 2: still sitting on her dining room table when mom and
4:03
Speaker 2: dad got there.
4:03
Speaker 1: When she didn't show up to work.
4:05
Speaker 2: That's a heartbreaking detail that has always stuck with me, Barry.
4:09
Speaker 1: It just doesn't make sense.
4:11
Speaker 8: It does, and it doesn't make sense at all. You know,
4:13
Speaker 8: people when they set patterns like that and you see
4:15
Speaker 8: it disrupted, it's a good indicator that something is just
4:19
Speaker 8: not right. And you know you know that right from
4:21
Speaker 8: the get go, and it throws up the red flag
4:23
Speaker 8: and they helped you direct your investigation.
4:25
Speaker 2: But sadly, hunches and just a gut feeling something's quote
4:29
Speaker 2: not right. That's nothing I can bring in as evidence
4:34
Speaker 2: in front of a jury.
4:35
Speaker 1: We need more.
4:37
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, listen to Jennifer Kesse's mother.
4:40
Speaker 1: Is Cassi one more?
4:42
Speaker 2: Can you tell me about what time if you know
4:44
Speaker 2: that she would contact her boyfriend in the morning.
4:47
Speaker 9: He well, Gen typically left for between seven thirty and
4:51
Speaker 9: eight in the morning, and it was her habit to
4:54
Speaker 9: call Rob when she got in her car, So as
4:58
Speaker 9: she got in her car and was driving to work
5:00
Speaker 9: is when she would make that good morning call. And
5:05
Speaker 9: as we know, Rob never received that call.
5:07
Speaker 2: To doctor Angela Arnold joining us renowned psychiatrist in the
5:13
Speaker 2: Atlanta jurisdiction. You can find her at Angela Arnold m D.
5:19
Speaker 2: Doctor Angie, just thinking about what Jennifer Kesse's parents have
5:25
Speaker 2: told me then and have told me over the years
5:27
Speaker 2: since Jennifer went missing. They went in her condo and
5:31
Speaker 2: everything was as normal. She liked to lay out all
5:35
Speaker 2: of her outfits she might wear that day on the
5:38
Speaker 2: bed and look at them as she was getting ready
5:41
Speaker 2: in the morning. The shower was damp, the towel was damp,
5:47
Speaker 2: the clothes were all laid out with matching shoes that
5:50
Speaker 2: she was picking from.
5:52
Speaker 1: But no Jennifer.
5:54
Speaker 2: And when she missed that morning call, she called her
5:56
Speaker 2: boyfriend every morning on the way to work. Okay, I
6:00
Speaker 2: had a routine like that all the way through law school,
6:03
Speaker 2: even up until Oh my Stars, when I was pregnant
6:07
Speaker 2: with the twins, when my mom and dad came to
6:09
Speaker 2: stay with us. My mom called me every morning, every
6:14
Speaker 2: morning at six point thirty.
6:16
Speaker 1: That was the routine.
6:17
Speaker 2: Now, she said it was to make sure I was awake,
6:21
Speaker 2: But now, being a mom, I know it was just,
6:23
Speaker 2: you know, to get a chance to talk.
6:25
Speaker 1: Before all hell breaks loose in the middle of the day.
6:28
Speaker 1: So that was Jennifer's.
6:31
Speaker 2: Routine, right, And when that routine breaks in my mind,
6:35
Speaker 2: that's the beginning of a criminal timeline, Doctor Angie.
6:38
Speaker 6: I completely agree with you, Nancy, And you know, Nancy,
6:41
Speaker 6: are typical routines that we go through comforting to people.
6:46
Speaker 6: We all have those. They comfort us as human beings.
6:50
Speaker 6: So why would somebody The big question is why would
6:54
Speaker 6: somebody break from their routine in particular morning, So, of
6:57
Speaker 6: course that is indicative of when a crime line should start.
7:03
Speaker 6: Why would you break in your routine?
7:05
Speaker 2: And joining me right now an investigative reporter who knows
7:09
Speaker 2: the Echo Lloyd case backwards and forwards, Charii Honeycut is
7:13
Speaker 2: joining us. Emmy winning journalist Charay, thank you for being
7:17
Speaker 2: with us. Tell me about what happened when Echo's daughter
7:23
Speaker 2: came over to the house looking from mom.
7:26
Speaker 10: So she brought a gift home to her mom for
7:29
Speaker 10: Mother's Day. She had a plant and a card, and
7:31
Speaker 10: she couldn't find her mom at the house. She was
7:33
Speaker 10: knocking on the door and wasn't responsive. She actually broke
7:37
Speaker 10: into the house to get inside and see.
7:39
Speaker 11: If she was there.
7:40
Speaker 10: And it's interesting you mentioned, you know, everything in the
7:44
Speaker 10: other cases home there were you know, things all.
7:47
Speaker 11: Laid out well.
7:48
Speaker 10: In Echo's case, things were a little strewn about and
7:51
Speaker 10: things were missing, but some things were there, And it's
7:56
Speaker 10: just interesting how this case played out that way. She
7:59
Speaker 10: couldn't find her, she couldn't get a hold of her,
8:02
Speaker 10: and then we just never heard what happened to her.
8:05
Speaker 10: There was nothing from that. There was her car was there.
8:08
Speaker 10: There was no way to know where she went. And
8:11
Speaker 10: as you mentioned, you know, she was last seen at
8:14
Speaker 10: a drug store and then hadn't seen her since.
8:17
Speaker 1: Guys.
8:18
Speaker 2: The daughter visits mom for Mother's Day, bringing a present
8:23
Speaker 2: with her. Mom doesn't respond. She leaves, but the daughter
8:32
Speaker 2: comes back curious where's Mom?
8:35
Speaker 1: Listen.
8:36
Speaker 4: Kelsey Smith walks around the home front, door to back,
8:38
Speaker 4: but no one answers. Echo's car is in the driveway.
8:42
Speaker 4: Walking around the property, Kelsey yells her mom's name, still
8:46
Speaker 4: no reply. Kelsey notices a back window is cracked and
8:50
Speaker 4: is able to slide it open enough to climb through.
8:53
Speaker 1: That's pretty bold breaking into mom's home because she is
8:56
Speaker 1: so convinced something is off, kilt or you just heard
9:00
Speaker 1: investigative reporter Charay Honeycut describing a somewhat chaotic scene inside Listen.
9:06
Speaker 4: Inside the home, Kelsey finds things in disarray, which is unusual. Echo,
9:10
Speaker 4: who had OCD kept items in their place. Kelsey found
9:14
Speaker 4: an open can of molded food on the kitchen island,
9:18
Speaker 4: a mattress on the floor in front of the couch,
9:20
Speaker 4: and trash piles scattered around. The air conditioning is on
9:24
Speaker 4: full blast. In the bedroom, there was a pack of
9:26
Speaker 4: cigarettes on top of the nightstand.
9:28
Speaker 2: None of that is consistent with Echo Lloyd's personality. To
9:36
Speaker 2: doctor Angela Arnold, veteran psychiatrist in the Atlanta jurisdiction who
9:41
Speaker 2: specializes in the treatment of women, hold on, she's OCD,
9:48
Speaker 2: all right, and I'm gonna let you explain that, or
9:51
Speaker 2: kindly ask you to explain that, And then compare that
9:55
Speaker 2: to the way the daughter finds her mom's home. Wait
9:58
Speaker 2: for it, she always kept everything in its place. A
10:02
Speaker 2: lot of people function better if everything is in its place,
10:06
Speaker 2: because out of place distracts them. Daughter Kelsey finds an
10:11
Speaker 2: open can of food in the kitchen, a mattress on
10:16
Speaker 2: the floor in front of the couch, trash piles scattered
10:21
Speaker 2: around the home, air conditioner on full blast, and SIGs.
10:26
Speaker 1: On the nightstand. None of that is consistent with Echo.
10:30
Speaker 6: Nancy. I mean, first of all, if you have obsest
10:32
Speaker 6: compulsive disorder. That is something that does not come and go.
10:36
Speaker 1: That is an.
10:37
Speaker 6: Anxiety disorder that you have all the time. And people
10:41
Speaker 6: with OCD find it comforting to have everything in its place, okay,
10:48
Speaker 6: And there are variations of that. Some people are more
10:51
Speaker 6: OCD than others. But never would an OCD person have
10:57
Speaker 6: moldy food, a mattress on the floor, cigarettes on the
11:01
Speaker 6: bedside table. That sounds like somebody came in, And that
11:05
Speaker 6: sounds like somebody came in and took over her home
11:07
Speaker 6: to me, But that is not an OCD person would
11:12
Speaker 6: never allow that to happen in their home.
11:14
Speaker 2: OCD obsessive compulsive.
11:17
Speaker 6: Compuls disorder disorder.
11:19
Speaker 1: It is so much.
11:21
Speaker 2: More than just being a neat nick. A lot of
11:23
Speaker 2: people are neat nicks. That does not mean they're OCD.
11:28
Speaker 2: Explain the difference in a neat nick and someone with OCD.
11:32
Speaker 1: There's a vast difference.
11:33
Speaker 6: Someone with First of all, like I said, Nancy, OCD
11:37
Speaker 6: is it's a type of anxiety. Okay. So for someone
11:42
Speaker 6: with OCD, if something is out of order, it actually
11:46
Speaker 6: causes them a lot of anxiety. If there's a break
11:49
Speaker 6: in their routine, if something in their home is is
11:53
Speaker 6: misplaced a little bit that actually causes that person anxiety,
11:57
Speaker 6: a neat knick. On the other hand, you like your
12:01
Speaker 6: home to meet, but it's not going to cause you
12:04
Speaker 6: a tremendous amount of possibly crippling anxiety if your home
12:10
Speaker 6: isn't in it's in perfect condition, Okay, but someone with
12:14
Speaker 6: OCD must, for example, Nancy. Sometimes people with OCD have
12:19
Speaker 6: different routines and rituals that they have to do, for example,
12:23
Speaker 6: before they go to bed at night or before they
12:26
Speaker 6: get out of their car. They have very specific rituals.
12:30
Speaker 6: Meat nicks do not have rituals.
12:34
Speaker 2: Okay, someone that will remain nameless. I watched them get
12:37
Speaker 2: in the car. I'm like, crank up, leave, but they
12:42
Speaker 2: sit there and I can see them fidgeting around. And
12:45
Speaker 2: it wasn't just once, it's every time that person gets
12:50
Speaker 2: in the car, and there's like a one minute delay
12:54
Speaker 2: where apparently they're just sitting there and maybe fidgeting with something,
12:57
Speaker 2: but I can't make it out. You're saying people have
13:01
Speaker 2: rituals even before they crank up and take off, like you, oh,
13:06
Speaker 2: please take this right.
13:08
Speaker 6: For example, I've had situations where patients have told me
13:11
Speaker 6: that when they get in the car or out of
13:14
Speaker 6: the car, they have to turn the radio dial three
13:18
Speaker 6: times forward and three times back before they put it
13:22
Speaker 6: on the station that they want to listen to. I've
13:25
Speaker 6: had people have to touch their handbag a certain amount
13:28
Speaker 6: of times before they can start the car. All different
13:33
Speaker 6: kinds of rituals that they're actually called.
13:35
Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, I need to be able to
13:38
Speaker 2: speak this in understandable language.
13:40
Speaker 1: Are you talking about like Monk?
13:43
Speaker 2: Remember Monk, I love him, But remember Monk, I would
13:46
Speaker 2: have to like touch every seventy steps on the way home.
13:50
Speaker 2: And Okay, So now I've got a visual. So this
13:54
Speaker 2: woman has the same thing that Monk has mon K
13:59
Speaker 2: the investigator, and that was triggered by the murder of
14:02
Speaker 2: his wife in the story, This woman echo Lloyd has that.
14:08
Speaker 2: So it would be a cold day in helerell that
14:12
Speaker 2: she's gonna have molded food on the counter, the matches
14:15
Speaker 2: put in front of the TV, trash piles in the floor.
14:19
Speaker 6: He wouldn't be able to go to sleep at night
14:21
Speaker 6: with her house looking like that. There is no way
14:24
Speaker 6: that if you have OCD, that you could tolerate that
14:28
Speaker 6: in your home.
14:35
Speaker 3: Knox go unanswered Mother's Day gifts untouched. Echo, Lloyd's eldest
14:40
Speaker 3: daughter finds the home a complete mess, but the mom
14:44
Speaker 3: of four is nowhere in sight. Where is Echo joining
14:49
Speaker 3: me in All Star panel? But straight back to investigative
14:51
Speaker 3: reporter Emmy Award winning journalist Charre Honeycutt Scharray, thanks for
14:56
Speaker 3: being with us. That's quite the dichotomy that her aha
15:00
Speaker 3: is a complete disarray. She could function that way if
15:03
Speaker 3: she's truly OCD, which she is, but yet certain she's gone,
15:09
Speaker 3: but certain very critical items were there.
15:13
Speaker 1: Explain what they were and where they were.
15:16
Speaker 10: As you mentioned, you know, they found the purse under
15:18
Speaker 10: the nightstand and the ID. And when you think about
15:21
Speaker 10: you know, if somebody is just going to often leave
15:23
Speaker 10: their life, that's something that they need and they need
15:25
Speaker 10: that to function to go anywhere. They're going to need
15:28
Speaker 10: that when they're making purchases or to especially if you're
15:32
Speaker 10: leaving your life, you need that ID to start something new.
15:36
Speaker 10: So the idea that she would leave her purse, she
15:38
Speaker 10: would not have her medications and things like that, they
15:42
Speaker 10: just don't make sense. And the way that you described
15:45
Speaker 10: or you're calling described the home, it doesn't feel like
15:48
Speaker 10: she was using her own home right we're talking about
15:52
Speaker 10: someone who is very ocd and has a way and
15:55
Speaker 10: a routine of doing things.
15:57
Speaker 11: Well, if you see.
15:57
Speaker 10: Trash piles on the floor, that's not what she would
16:00
Speaker 10: be doing. So it not only feels like her things
16:03
Speaker 10: were tampered with, but her home was used while she
16:07
Speaker 10: probably wasn't there. And so one thing I wanted to
16:10
Speaker 10: mention about this conversation is where she lives. So she
16:14
Speaker 10: lives in Edwards, Missouri, which is an extremely rural part
16:17
Speaker 10: of Missouri. It's out by the Lake of the Ozarks,
16:20
Speaker 10: and where she actually where her home was, is extremely
16:25
Speaker 10: in the middle of nowhere. So the idea that someone
16:27
Speaker 10: is coming to your house and is in your house,
16:30
Speaker 10: it's not like someone is just walking off the street
16:33
Speaker 10: and going into your home. Someone would need to know
16:35
Speaker 10: you live there, and there would need to be a
16:37
Speaker 10: connection for that person to be there. I can't imagine
16:41
Speaker 10: someone just coming upon her home and a stranger being
16:45
Speaker 10: in there because the driveway is so long and so
16:48
Speaker 10: far to the house, you wouldn't even know the house
16:51
Speaker 10: was there.
16:51
Speaker 2: You know, Shurey Honeycott, you have an incredible track record,
16:55
Speaker 2: you're an Emmy winner, you're highly regarded, but FYI were
16:59
Speaker 2: to the wise, US country hicks don't like it when
17:02
Speaker 2: somebody suggests we're country hicks, like out in the middle
17:05
Speaker 2: of nowhere, that's somewhere to somebody, Okay, that said, joining me.
17:12
Speaker 2: Tim Miller a longtime friend and colleague. He is the
17:18
Speaker 2: founder of Texas Equa Search. He's on a search and
17:21
Speaker 2: a cold case for a young woman right now, and
17:25
Speaker 2: he's actually pulled off the search to join us tonight
17:29
Speaker 2: in the search for Echo Lloyd. Tim Miller, I was
17:33
Speaker 2: just pulling shry Honeycoff's leg on behalf of all US
17:36
Speaker 2: country hicks. But Tim, her point is very well taken.
17:42
Speaker 2: There's a big difference when you go missing from a
17:44
Speaker 2: place like this with the population of twenty five hundred
17:50
Speaker 2: in all versus you know, disappearing in the heart of
17:54
Speaker 2: la or in Manhattan where anybody could have grabbed you.
18:00
Speaker 1: Likelihood that a stranger.
18:02
Speaker 2: Showed up and took Echo, that's a very low probability,
18:07
Speaker 2: Tim Miller.
18:08
Speaker 12: Well, I think you're right. And I actually met with
18:11
Speaker 12: two detectives with Missouri State Police and we spent several
18:15
Speaker 12: hours together. They gave me a lot of maps, a
18:17
Speaker 12: lot of information, and they've got an area of real
18:22
Speaker 12: interest in the case, and we're going to go up
18:25
Speaker 12: there and look this area over, and then right when
18:28
Speaker 12: vegetation starts growing, we're going to go up there and
18:34
Speaker 12: do the search. But I think we've got some pretty
18:37
Speaker 12: good information. You know, it's been a while since she's
18:42
Speaker 12: been missing, and we always say when we go into this,
18:44
Speaker 12: no matter what resource we bring, there this small chance
18:47
Speaker 12: that we're going to get located. But if we don't
18:49
Speaker 12: do anything, there's no chance. But you know, Nancy, I am.
18:53
Speaker 12: I'm pretty optimistic that she is findable with the information
18:58
Speaker 12: that we've got.
18:59
Speaker 2: Tim Miller, who was just in this jurisdiction in Missouri Edwards,
19:04
Speaker 2: Missouri or Warsaw to be more specific, Tim Miller, when
19:09
Speaker 2: you say an area of interest and you're headed back
19:14
Speaker 2: to continue the search in depth, can you share with
19:19
Speaker 2: us the area of interest which you will be searching.
19:22
Speaker 12: Well, you know, this area does have it's about twelve
19:26
Speaker 12: hundred acres. I think we've got it maybe narrowed down
19:30
Speaker 12: to maybe two hundred acres of him. You know, I
19:34
Speaker 12: don't want to put too much stuff out there to
19:35
Speaker 12: make a possible person of interest. You know, what's going
19:39
Speaker 12: to be happening.
19:40
Speaker 2: So you have an area of interest. I wasn't expecting
19:43
Speaker 2: you to say it was two hundred square acres. That's
19:47
Speaker 2: a very vast area of interest.
19:49
Speaker 1: How will you search that? I send with drones, with dogs,
19:54
Speaker 1: with horses, with ATVs.
19:57
Speaker 2: How would you go about searching a two hundred acre
20:01
Speaker 2: area of interest?
20:02
Speaker 12: Well, you know what everything that you just mentioned, but
20:06
Speaker 12: you know what our drone pilot which he actually is,
20:10
Speaker 12: he's a big educator in it and stuff and developed
20:12
Speaker 12: so much software that it's unbelievable. And literally, Nancy, we
20:18
Speaker 12: found a person that was murdered and buried eight years
20:22
Speaker 12: later because when we flew the drone right when vegetation
20:27
Speaker 12: started growing, there was a different area, different little color
20:32
Speaker 12: of different vegetation and everything, and literally dug that body up.
20:37
Speaker 12: We feel as oh, Etho Lloyd very possibly is buried
20:42
Speaker 12: at a shallow grave. And so you know what, Yes,
20:46
Speaker 12: we're going to bring in the ATV, so horses and
20:48
Speaker 12: ground searchers, the dogs, the drone and everything that we
20:54
Speaker 12: can possibly break in on this. And again meeting with
20:59
Speaker 12: the two detail this from the Missouri State Police and
21:02
Speaker 12: we spent several hours with them. The maps they gave
21:04
Speaker 12: us the information they gave us. You know, of course
21:08
Speaker 12: it's going to be a joint venture between US and
21:11
Speaker 12: Missouri State. Please, and again I've said this one hundred times.
21:17
Speaker 12: No matter what we bring in, there the small chance
21:19
Speaker 12: that we're going to get them located. But if we
21:21
Speaker 12: don't do anything, there's no chance. So you know we're
21:24
Speaker 12: going to leave from Texas, go to Missouri and take
21:26
Speaker 12: that small chance. And you know what, Nancy, we did
21:31
Speaker 12: one seven eight months ago on Kimberley Langwell in Beaumont.
21:36
Speaker 12: I remember the first time I searched for her in
21:38
Speaker 12: two thousand and one and we got called twenty five
21:42
Speaker 12: years later. In four minutes, we found her with ground
21:46
Speaker 12: penetration units. So you know what, we bring in every
21:49
Speaker 12: resource that we can bring in. And I always say,
21:53
Speaker 12: if we leave the results up to God, and you
21:55
Speaker 12: know what, God has certainly put us in the right
21:57
Speaker 12: place the right time many times. We're just going to
22:01
Speaker 12: ask him again.
22:02
Speaker 2: You know, Tim Miller, what you said about your drone
22:05
Speaker 2: operator being so great, you're right, because if your drone
22:11
Speaker 2: operator could see I'm guessing a more vibrant and intense
22:15
Speaker 2: shade of green in the vegetation in one area which
22:19
Speaker 2: would signify newer growth, which would signify disturbed earth.
22:26
Speaker 1: And then new growth.
22:28
Speaker 2: He spotted that and sure enough, that is where the
22:32
Speaker 2: victim was.
22:33
Speaker 1: That's amazing and Tim.
22:35
Speaker 2: Miller will never ever brag on himself. Tim Miller is
22:41
Speaker 2: a crime victim. His daughter was murdered. She went missing
22:48
Speaker 2: and was murdered.
22:49
Speaker 1: He made it his.
22:50
Speaker 2: Life's mission to help find missing people. That's who Tim
22:56
Speaker 2: Miller of Equisearch is.
23:00
Speaker 1: Now.
23:01
Speaker 2: The reason we keep talking about Echo Lloyd's home and
23:05
Speaker 2: the last time she was seen at this discount store.
23:08
Speaker 1: Why why do we care so much?
23:11
Speaker 2: Because we're trying to establish a time line, which is critical.
23:20
Speaker 1: In another high profile case.
23:22
Speaker 2: The disappearance of a young mom, Heidi Plank. It was
23:26
Speaker 2: easy to establish her timeline. She's never been found.
23:32
Speaker 1: I might add, but we've got a legitimate.
23:34
Speaker 2: Timeline because she's caught on video walking her dog.
23:38
Speaker 1: Listen.
23:38
Speaker 4: Heidi planks ex husband says the mom left their son's
23:41
Speaker 4: football game at halftime, seemingly distracted. Security footage from October
23:46
Speaker 4: seventeenth shows her leaving her West Los Angeles home with
23:49
Speaker 4: her dog.
23:50
Speaker 1: In a bizarre turn.
23:51
Speaker 4: Three hours later, in downtown Los Angeles, her dog was
23:54
Speaker 4: found on the twenty eighth floor of an apartment building plank.
23:58
Speaker 4: Her silver range rover, her purse, her personal phone, and
24:01
Speaker 4: computer all gone. Her friend and ex husband say when
24:05
Speaker 4: she didn't show up to pick up our son, they
24:08
Speaker 4: knew that something was wrong.
24:11
Speaker 3: Cigarettes, purse and wallet left behind, but her phone, medications
24:17
Speaker 3: and car keys are missing. Will these suspicious clues lead
24:21
Speaker 3: authorities to the missing mom of four?
24:25
Speaker 2: Where is this gorgeous young MoMA for Echo Lloyd? Now
24:30
Speaker 2: we get a timeline of sorts. That's where the investigation starts.
24:35
Speaker 4: Listen During the search for Echo, police begin a timeline.
24:38
Speaker 4: On May ninth, Kelsey talked to her mother. On the tenth,
24:41
Speaker 4: Kelsey decides to surprise her mother, but her car is
24:44
Speaker 4: not at the home. A few witnesses came forward saying
24:46
Speaker 4: they believe they had seen Echo at a Walmart in Warsaw, Missouri.
24:50
Speaker 4: Authorities find a receipt with the same May tenth date
24:53
Speaker 4: in her shower. The police investigation revealed that on May fourteenth,
24:57
Speaker 4: Echo was possibly spotted at a nearby gas station trying
25:01
Speaker 4: to buy a cell phone. According to reports, she tried
25:04
Speaker 4: to pay for it with a check, but that was declined.
25:07
Speaker 4: There has been no other activity on her account or
25:10
Speaker 4: credit card.
25:10
Speaker 2: Don't these convenience stores have surveillance video. For Pete's sake,
25:15
Speaker 2: Charre Honeycutt joining me Emmy Award winning journalists tell me
25:19
Speaker 2: about those sidings. Because the May fourteen siding is credible
25:25
Speaker 2: to me because we know she didn't have her cell phone,
25:28
Speaker 2: so the fact that someone states she was at a
25:30
Speaker 2: nearby gas station trying to buy a cell phone makes
25:35
Speaker 2: sense to me. That place is my timeline starting at
25:38
Speaker 2: May fourteen. She's alive on that day.
25:40
Speaker 10: Sure, I think is odd she wanted to buy a
25:42
Speaker 10: cell phone as well. I just think the purchase is
25:45
Speaker 10: a little odd. And then when you go back to
25:47
Speaker 10: talking about, you know, how she was, how things were
25:51
Speaker 10: found in her home, the idea that there was a
25:53
Speaker 10: receipt in her bathtub is very odd to me too,
25:56
Speaker 10: and so I think that the report is credible. I
26:00
Speaker 10: think that sometimes stores are difficult about giving over that
26:04
Speaker 10: video or retaining it.
26:06
Speaker 11: So I'm not sure if that was part of the
26:08
Speaker 11: issue as to why we don't know more.
26:10
Speaker 10: About it, But I think it does show that there
26:13
Speaker 10: is a possibility that she was there and shows that
26:16
Speaker 10: she was alive for that time period, and then unfortunately,
26:20
Speaker 10: being in such a rural area, it's unclear as to
26:24
Speaker 10: you know where she was and what was going on
26:26
Speaker 10: at the time of her actual disappearance.
26:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is no way with someone with OCD that
26:31
Speaker 2: there will be a receipt in her shower, all right,
26:36
Speaker 2: But when you don't know where to go, you backtrack
26:41
Speaker 2: and you look at your victim. Who is in the
26:45
Speaker 2: circle of people around her? Who is Echo Lloyd?
26:49
Speaker 13: Listen, Echo Lloyd is going through a divorce. She moved
26:52
Speaker 13: sixteen miles from her current home to rule Edward, Missouri,
26:56
Speaker 13: a town with a population of less than twenty five hundred.
27:00
Speaker 13: Lloyd's ten acre property is a bit.
27:02
Speaker 2: Secluded population of twenty five hundred that greatly reduces our
27:07
Speaker 2: suspect pool.
27:08
Speaker 1: Listen.
27:08
Speaker 4: As Echo Lloyd looks for a place to start the
27:11
Speaker 4: next chapter of her life, she makes her way to
27:13
Speaker 4: the Lake of the Ozarks. The property in Edward's, Missouri
27:17
Speaker 4: is remote. There's a gas station and a post office
27:20
Speaker 4: and little else. But Kelsey Smith says her mom loves
27:24
Speaker 4: the quiet of the property and begins making plans for renovations,
27:28
Speaker 4: cleaning up the landscaping, creating ideas for how she wants
27:32
Speaker 4: to paint the house, and right there that rolls out
27:35
Speaker 4: in my mind.
27:36
Speaker 2: Any potential suicide. We have no evidence of that whatsoever. Agreed, disagree,
27:41
Speaker 2: doctor Angie. If she is renovating her home and she's
27:45
Speaker 2: out in the front yard landscaping and coming out bringing
27:49
Speaker 2: home paint ships, she's planning.
27:51
Speaker 1: On a future in this time.
27:53
Speaker 2: She's not going to drop the paint rush and go,
27:55
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm gonna kill myself And no evidence
27:58
Speaker 2: of where I am. That did not happen to Shurrey
28:02
Speaker 2: Honeycutt joining us. Shara, tell me about the ex. Do
28:05
Speaker 2: I suspect the ex? No?
28:07
Speaker 1: Not at this juncture.
28:08
Speaker 2: That's contrary to everything I ever think as a knee
28:12
Speaker 2: jerk reaction based on statistics, because statistically, a woman is
28:18
Speaker 2: kidnapped or harmed or even killed by an ex husband,
28:22
Speaker 2: a husband, a boyfriend, just some man in her life.
28:26
Speaker 1: But that doesn't seem to be the case here, Schara.
28:30
Speaker 10: No, from what I understood with the relationships in the family,
28:34
Speaker 10: she actually had a really good relationship with her ex
28:37
Speaker 10: husband and they had separated amicably, and she had moved
28:41
Speaker 10: to this new place to start a new life, and
28:43
Speaker 10: they were still on very good terms. I spoke a
28:46
Speaker 10: lot with her daughter, who says she was in very
28:49
Speaker 10: good terms with her mom as well, and that they
28:53
Speaker 10: just had a good relationship.
28:55
Speaker 2: Surey, Honeycutt correct me if I'm wrong, please, But even
28:59
Speaker 2: with the home and no sign of echo Lloyd, investigators
29:04
Speaker 2: still tell the family they do not believe there was
29:08
Speaker 2: any foul play.
29:10
Speaker 1: That's what they originally said.
29:11
Speaker 10: Part of that has to do with no evidence of
29:15
Speaker 10: maybe a body or any blood, or any real weapon
29:20
Speaker 10: or struggle.
29:21
Speaker 11: I think the way the.
29:22
Speaker 10: House is described, it sounds like it's messy. The police
29:26
Speaker 10: don't necessarily know her behaviors at that time when they
29:29
Speaker 10: first start on the case, and so I think at
29:32
Speaker 10: the beginning maybe they.
29:34
Speaker 11: Felt like there was no foul play.
29:36
Speaker 10: But I think the circumstances of the home definitely lead
29:40
Speaker 10: to a different pathway for this case.
29:42
Speaker 2: Wendy Patrick explain to me, why is it when a
29:46
Speaker 2: woman goes missing, there's no foul play, She's just probably off.
29:50
Speaker 1: With her boyfriend.
29:51
Speaker 2: Remember Stacy Peterson, the fourth wife of then cop Drew Peterson.
29:57
Speaker 2: He was later convicted in the murder of his wife,
30:00
Speaker 2: Kathleen Savio.
30:02
Speaker 1: She was found drowned in.
30:04
Speaker 2: A bone dry bathtub. It was real access she's covered
30:09
Speaker 2: in bruises.
30:11
Speaker 1: Wow.
30:11
Speaker 2: I hate when you slip in the tub and your
30:14
Speaker 2: whole body's covered in bruises and the tub is completely dry.
30:18
Speaker 1: Hay when that happens. So it was.
30:21
Speaker 2: Determined then based on the husband's word, that she had
30:25
Speaker 2: made off with a boy friend. It happens over and
30:30
Speaker 2: over and over, or mommy just wants some me time.
30:34
Speaker 1: That's total byes. Why is that always the knee jerk reaction. Yeah,
30:38
Speaker 1: it's a shame.
30:39
Speaker 5: Sometimes many people might think it's an easy reaction, but
30:42
Speaker 5: there is no way it fits this fact pattern.
30:44
Speaker 6: Nancy. That house was a.
30:45
Speaker 5: Crime scene in every sense of the word because it
30:48
Speaker 5: was so contrary to the OCD that Echo had. There
30:52
Speaker 5: is no way she would be sharing space with somebody
30:55
Speaker 5: that would leave the house in disarray like that. Not
30:57
Speaker 5: to mention the amount of DNA that was likely left behind,
31:01
Speaker 5: but that excuse, even though it's unfairly used in other cases,
31:05
Speaker 5: does not fit in any way, shape or form in
31:07
Speaker 5: this case. And that is one of the ways in
31:09
Speaker 5: which this case is distinct and might many might think
31:13
Speaker 5: more solvable. Given the amount of evidence that was left
31:16
Speaker 5: at that what sounds like, as you mentioned the beginning
31:18
Speaker 5: of a prime timeline.
31:20
Speaker 1: Take a listen to the then share of Eric Knox.
31:24
Speaker 7: We're not sure what happened to you because we're domats Is.
31:28
Speaker 6: We don't even know where.
31:29
Speaker 12: You should look for him.
31:31
Speaker 1: You have nothing, Wait, you don't know where to look?
31:33
Speaker 1: Ask Tim Miller.
31:34
Speaker 2: That's from our friends at Paramount Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
31:49
Speaker 2: Where is a gorgeous young mom? Echo Lloyd straight out
31:53
Speaker 2: to Tim Miller, joining us, founder and director of ECUA
31:58
Speaker 2: Search on a mine should define missing people?
32:01
Speaker 1: What about it, Tim Miller?
32:03
Speaker 2: The fact that at the get Go Ellie law enforcement
32:06
Speaker 2: said nothing suggests foul play. In my mind, everything suggests
32:11
Speaker 2: foul play.
32:12
Speaker 12: Yeah, you don't fancy. I experienced that when I reported
32:15
Speaker 12: Laura listened and they said, do you know a go
32:18
Speaker 12: home wait by or Ford Pol. Laura ran away. I
32:21
Speaker 12: knew she did. I could get no help, zero none.
32:25
Speaker 12: Seventeen months later, her body is found, along with three
32:29
Speaker 12: other girls, of all of them murdered, still on solved.
32:32
Speaker 12: So you know what, We've worked with some very very
32:36
Speaker 12: great law enforcement agencies in the past, and we've worked
32:40
Speaker 12: with something that are very very incompetent. And again, even
32:44
Speaker 12: in today's world, subaly cases that we get out in
32:47
Speaker 12: a very beginning, they said, oh, you know what, this
32:49
Speaker 12: person had a problem. They was doing drugs, They was
32:51
Speaker 12: doing this, and you know it's it makes my blood boil.
33:00
Speaker 12: I hear that.
33:01
Speaker 2: You know, Tim Miller is speaking about his daughter who
33:04
Speaker 2: disappeared at age sixteen.
33:06
Speaker 1: He was told, oh, she's a runaway. She wasn't. She
33:09
Speaker 1: had been.
33:09
Speaker 2: Kidnapped and murdered, along with other girls found at the
33:12
Speaker 2: same burial site. To doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrist doctor Angie,
33:20
Speaker 2: I don't want to get on a slapbox about this
33:22
Speaker 2: because it's neither here nor there in finding echo. But
33:26
Speaker 2: I do believe that it's misogynistic women haters that say, oh,
33:34
Speaker 2: either she's quote a bitch or a quote hope. She
33:38
Speaker 2: had so many enemies, she didn't get along with anybody,
33:40
Speaker 2: she's hysterical blah blah blah okay, or she's a big hoe.
33:46
Speaker 1: She's out with her new boyfriend.
33:48
Speaker 2: You know, there's nothing wrong. Both are so inaccurate, Both
33:53
Speaker 2: are so demeaning, and I hear it over and over.
33:56
Speaker 2: She's hysterical translation, she ran off a committed toy I
34:00
Speaker 2: and a fit of some sort.
34:02
Speaker 1: Let's blame it on PMS. Let's just throw it all in.
34:05
Speaker 2: Or she's out with a new boyfriend and leaving her children.
34:09
Speaker 2: That's never true, doctor Angie. Have you noticed maybe they
34:12
Speaker 2: should teach that at police academy?
34:14
Speaker 6: Oh my god, Nancy, it makes me so bad, and
34:16
Speaker 6: you know, it also reminds me of what happened to
34:18
Speaker 6: Babby Patito right before she was killed. So why doesn't
34:22
Speaker 6: this change, Nancy? How can we inform the police officers
34:28
Speaker 6: that are out there doing these jobs and I know
34:31
Speaker 6: they've worked very hard, but then time, precious time is lost.
34:37
Speaker 2: To talk to talk doctor Angie, you had the nail
34:41
Speaker 2: on the head and ps no o MG on crime stories. Okay, no,
34:48
Speaker 2: we don't say that on crime stories.
34:49
Speaker 1: But that said, then a major development, What, if anything,
34:55
Speaker 1: does it mean? Listen?
34:56
Speaker 14: The next door neighbor and close friend of Echo Lloyd,
34:58
Speaker 14: who did not help search for his friend, lives with
35:01
Speaker 14: his grandfather. Two weeks after Echo Lloyd disappears, the grandfather
35:04
Speaker 14: is found in the basement of his home suffering from
35:06
Speaker 14: a broken back. He's taken to a hospital where he
35:09
Speaker 14: succumbs to his injuries days later. According to Kelsey Smith,
35:12
Speaker 14: while removing the grandfather from the basement, Echo Lloyd's missing
35:15
Speaker 14: prescription medication and keys are found in the basement of
35:18
Speaker 14: her neighbor's home. According to Smith, police did not get
35:21
Speaker 14: a search warrant for the house before turning the investigation
35:23
Speaker 14: over to the Missouri State Highway Patrol Missing Persons Clearinghouse.
35:27
Speaker 14: Ben County Sheriff Eric Knox said of the Echo Lloyd case,
35:30
Speaker 14: she is absolutely missing without a trace. Investigator's report, There's
35:34
Speaker 14: been no use of her cell phone or bank cards
35:37
Speaker 14: since she was reported missing, and the pharmacy has confirmed
35:40
Speaker 14: none of Eckilloyd's necessary medications have been filled since she disappeared.
35:44
Speaker 2: Shray Honeycutt joining us, who is this neighbor and why
35:50
Speaker 2: are Echo Lloyd's items, including her missing prescription meds and
35:56
Speaker 2: her keys found in his place?
35:59
Speaker 10: That is an incredible question, Nancy, and one that I
36:01
Speaker 10: don't have a clear answer to. But what I can
36:04
Speaker 10: tell you is in talking with Kelsey, she had confided
36:08
Speaker 10: her mother had confided in her that she had met
36:11
Speaker 10: this neighbor, they had become friends, and that he had
36:15
Speaker 10: started to develop a crush on her. That she did
36:18
Speaker 10: not reciprocate. You know, we were talking about her coming
36:21
Speaker 10: out of a marriage and wanting to start a new life,
36:24
Speaker 10: and a boyfriend, especially one that maybe younger than her,
36:27
Speaker 10: wasn't really what she was looking for at the time,
36:30
Speaker 10: is what Kelsey had told me. And so this relationship
36:33
Speaker 10: was a little odd. But at some point I know
36:36
Speaker 10: that she didn't really want to continue that relationship and
36:41
Speaker 10: had expressed that.
36:42
Speaker 11: To him at some point.
36:43
Speaker 2: And in my mind, there's more disturbing evidence to Barry
36:47
Speaker 2: Hutcheson joining us twenty six years in law enforcement, now
36:51
Speaker 2: owner and operator of Very Associates Investigative Services located in
36:58
Speaker 2: this jurisdiction Marry in my mind, and possibly even more disturbing,
37:04
Speaker 2: is that he Smith would walk over to Echo's property
37:09
Speaker 2: and sometimes he would come into her home without knocking.
37:15
Speaker 2: I mean, if I turned around in my kitchen there's
37:17
Speaker 2: some guy standing there, I shoot him.
37:20
Speaker 1: Oops, don't have a gun, But if I had a gun,
37:22
Speaker 1: I would shoot him.
37:23
Speaker 2: You know.
37:23
Speaker 15: One of the things that hasn't been touched on with
37:26
Speaker 15: this that I know in this case is I find
37:29
Speaker 15: it's strange that the next door neighbor would have a
37:31
Speaker 15: key to the house, but the daughter didn't and that
37:37
Speaker 15: she would have to make it trained that.
37:39
Speaker 1: Very odd too, very odd. Indeed, now this guy is
37:45
Speaker 1: not a suspect.
37:46
Speaker 2: Just because some people think his behavior is odd does
37:49
Speaker 2: not make him a suspect.
37:51
Speaker 1: But Tim Miller, I can't get away.
37:53
Speaker 2: I cannot get away from the fact that her meds
37:56
Speaker 2: and her car keys were in his place.
37:58
Speaker 1: Why are they there?
37:59
Speaker 12: I think by the time they determined that possibly foul
38:03
Speaker 12: play was involved, instead of her just leaving on her own, well,
38:07
Speaker 12: it was literally a cold case before it was a
38:10
Speaker 12: missing first case. So you know, they had to start
38:15
Speaker 12: from scratch, and you know, I think they got their
38:20
Speaker 12: aid dinner Facebook. Bottom line is, I think they would
38:23
Speaker 12: have looked just a little bit different in the very beginning.
38:25
Speaker 12: Maybe we wouldn't be here today.
38:27
Speaker 2: To Tim Miller joining me from Texas Equisearch. Tim Miller,
38:32
Speaker 2: let's take a look at those three working theories. Number one,
38:35
Speaker 2: the second theory that she saw something in the woods
38:38
Speaker 2: she shouldn't have seen. Now, that didn't happen. There's not
38:41
Speaker 2: some nefarious killer out there that happened to me in
38:45
Speaker 2: the middle of the woods, population twenty five hundred. That
38:48
Speaker 2: didn't happen. That leaves me two choices of the working theories.
38:51
Speaker 2: Now you've got the daughter who admits she had a
38:55
Speaker 2: drug addiction, and it's claimed she had not all our debts,
39:01
Speaker 2: So am I supposed to believe that because the daughter
39:03
Speaker 2: had a past a drug addiction, that somebody came and
39:08
Speaker 2: took or killed echo some revenge. No, that's way too far, feesh.
39:14
Speaker 2: But what about this neighbor who is not a suspect?
39:18
Speaker 1: Surey, honeycutt. What about the neighbor?
39:21
Speaker 10: That is the number one question everyone wants to know,
39:25
Speaker 10: you know, did he do it? What was going on
39:28
Speaker 10: at that time? I think a big piece of that
39:31
Speaker 10: that is impeding the case is what we talked about earlier,
39:35
Speaker 10: the inability to really investigate at the time this happened.
39:40
Speaker 10: A lot of the evidence had sat there for a
39:42
Speaker 10: long time. And what I will say when I got
39:45
Speaker 10: involved in this case is that no one was covering
39:48
Speaker 10: it and the public really wanted to understand what happened.
39:53
Speaker 10: And I got an overwhelming amount of messages, just knowing
39:57
Speaker 10: the work that I do, asking me to drive hours
40:00
Speaker 10: out of my area to cover this case because it
40:03
Speaker 10: wasn't getting the attention it needed.
40:06
Speaker 11: And it still hasn't in my opinion.
40:08
Speaker 2: SUI, what can you tell me about the neighbor buying
40:11
Speaker 2: nine bags of cement just before we think just before
40:17
Speaker 2: because we don't have a clear timeline just before Echo
40:21
Speaker 2: goes missing, and when the home was searched they only
40:23
Speaker 2: found one bag out of nine.
40:26
Speaker 11: I would want to know what happened to eight bags
40:28
Speaker 11: of cement?
40:29
Speaker 10: And if you look around that area, I mean it's
40:32
Speaker 10: an expansive area. In my experience covering cases that have
40:37
Speaker 10: turned into death investigations or homicides, typically the people are
40:43
Speaker 10: found very close to home or where they were last seen.
40:46
Speaker 10: And so I think Tim's work is going to be
40:49
Speaker 10: very important this coming spring looking around that home, because
40:53
Speaker 10: we know that people don't go very far from where
40:57
Speaker 10: they're last seen.
40:58
Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about the
41:01
Speaker 2: disappearance of this young mom, Echo Lloyd, please dial toll
41:06
Speaker 2: free eight hundred eight seven seven three four five two
41:13
Speaker 2: repeat eight hundred eight seven seven three four five two.
41:21
Speaker 2: Nancy Grace signing off, Goodbye friend,