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OneLegUpAlex Previews MLB All Star Game With Pags Perspective Host Ryan Pagano 7-15-25 · OneLegUpAlex Media

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  Speaker 1: Here's your host, Alex Garrett. All right, well returning, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, who do I talk to about the first
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  Speaker 1: half and first part of the season before the MLB
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  Speaker 1: All Star Break. He's sitting right in front of me,
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Pigano, my colleague and coworker and friend at Salem
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  Speaker 1: Media and a host of PEG's perspective. Welcome back to
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  Speaker 1: one like up with Alex Garrett.
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  Speaker 2: Oh well, thank you for the welcome back. And I
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  Speaker 2: guess it's not too hard to find somebody around here
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  Speaker 2: to talk baseball with the MRA exactly.
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  Speaker 1: We got got Tom involved at some point too. But
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  Speaker 1: now we're at the All Star Game tonight. Firstly, your
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  Speaker 1: favorite memory of the All Star Game, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: your twenty three years of life.
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  Speaker 2: Ooh, that's kind of a tough one because you know,
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  Speaker 2: I haven't been to any All Star game before that,
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  Speaker 2: so it's kind of hard to pick from. But you
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  Speaker 2: know what, I do distinctly recall though the twenty thirteen
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  Speaker 2: and twenty fourteen All Star Games. Those probably have to
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  Speaker 2: be one of my favorites, mostly because of the connections.
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  Speaker 2: Though twenty thirteen, of course, was that city field, and
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  Speaker 2: I still have a very distinct memory of watching the
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  Speaker 2: Derby and also watching a bit of the All Star
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  Speaker 2: Game too. I believe I actually spent part of that
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  Speaker 2: on the beach, believe it or not. So that was
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  Speaker 2: kind of memorable in and of itself, but also twenty
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  Speaker 2: fourteen and seeing the farewell that Jeets got, Yeah, that
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  Speaker 2: was also a pretty core memory.
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  Speaker 1: Oh it was funny. I remember that game because someone
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  Speaker 1: said overrated and he rips an rby a line drive
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  Speaker 1: double and a lead off the All Star Game on
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  Speaker 1: the now.
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  Speaker 2: I know there was a lot of controversy too, with
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  Speaker 2: Adam Wainwright just intentionally throwing meat balls to Jeets, and
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, whether you want to believe that
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  Speaker 2: conspiracy or not. I mean it had a pretty big
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  Speaker 2: effect on the World Series because this was back when
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  Speaker 2: you had the winner of the All Star Game getting
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  Speaker 2: home field in the World Series, which you know, you
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  Speaker 2: don't really have anymore, which is for better or worse.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm personally good with not having that be
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  Speaker 2: the case, But at the same time, it's also really
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  Speaker 2: diminished the value that the All Star Game has. Not
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  Speaker 2: to say that it's isn't any good this year, Like
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  Speaker 2: there's still a lot of intrigues surrounding it. But when
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  Speaker 2: you don't really have a lot to play for, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, it just kind of takes away from it.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, I'm gonna post up on Alex Janys
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  Speaker 1: one our picture where I'm in my yangskier and You're
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  Speaker 1: in your meds gier. Always a little bit of a
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  Speaker 1: rivalry there. But except for the nixt literally exactly now.
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  Speaker 1: Recently you post on Pag's Perspective that you were not
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  Speaker 1: happy with the way the voting went for it tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Can you explain that to my listeners a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and this really doesn't have to do with the
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  Speaker 2: starting nine voting. It's more so for the reserves, And look,
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  Speaker 2: I get it at A lot of what I talked
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  Speaker 2: about here on my most recent episode of Pag's Perspective
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  Speaker 2: was about and I'll manager Dave Roberts and his decision
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  Speaker 2: to choose Jacob Msowski after five whole games in the
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  Speaker 2: major leagues for the All Star Team. No, this has
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  Speaker 2: nothing to do with any of their talent whatsoever. There's
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  Speaker 2: no denying that these guys are all very worthy of
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  Speaker 2: their spots. So this isn't any slander to them by
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  Speaker 2: any means it's more so just there were better options available,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And no shade to Jacob whatsoever.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he was very humble when he found out
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  Speaker 2: that he was getting selected to his first All Star Game,
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  Speaker 2: breaking Paul Skeins's record in the process for the fewest
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  Speaker 2: games before your first All Star selection. You know he's
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  Speaker 2: worthy of being there, I'd say, I guess it's just
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  Speaker 2: nobody really happened or really expected to have that.
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  Speaker 1: About a week ago he shut out the Dodgers, if
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  Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, right.
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  Speaker 2: Believe so? Yeah, So, I mean, he's really impressed through
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  Speaker 2: five games. But then when you look at some of
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  Speaker 2: the other guys who probably could have made a case
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  Speaker 2: to be there instead. I mainly looked at Chris Sanchez
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  Speaker 2: and Ranger Suarez, both of the Phillies. Suarez with a
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  Speaker 2: sub two ERA going into the All Star Game, but
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  Speaker 2: he wasn't picked, and Sanchez also with a really good
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  Speaker 2: season as well. I believe his THERA is probably closer
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  Speaker 2: to about two point seven. Now, granted, he did pitch
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  Speaker 2: the weekend before the game, so even if he was chosen,
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  Speaker 2: it's not like of a matter anyway, he wouldn't be
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  Speaker 2: able to pitch.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, the Phillies are very vocal about
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  Speaker 1: how disappointed they are in this whole situation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was something else I touched on on
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  Speaker 2: my latest episode as well, Trey Turner really being at
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  Speaker 2: the forefront of it. But then you also have Nick
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  Speaker 2: Castillanos basically comparing this to the Savannah Bananas banana Ball,
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  Speaker 2: which has just kind of become a thing of its own,
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  Speaker 2: and Kyle Schwober I believe chimed in as well.
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  Speaker 1: But and you don't realize the Bananas, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: have their own youth baseball league or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they're doing this in the in the.
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  Speaker 2: Youth league as well. Yeah, it's just really crazy how
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  Speaker 2: far that's transcended. And another one of my colleagues actually
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  Speaker 2: are colleagues rather. I was just talking about this with
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  Speaker 2: Dean Gelvania show before, but no, we were literally talking
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  Speaker 2: about potential MLB All Stars versus Savannah Banana's game. But
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  Speaker 2: with the rules of banana Ball all that.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way that I know people want the
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  Speaker 1: Derby to go back to ten pitches or however it
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  Speaker 1: was or what was it, ten ten swings? I believe
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  Speaker 1: at one.
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  Speaker 2: Point with the Derby, I believe so something like that
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  Speaker 2: was this back when they used to years ago, the
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  Speaker 2: amount of outs you made or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: When a Derby's divided decided by one inch by the way,
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  Speaker 1: cal rally congratulations. I feel like what I met up
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  Speaker 1: with the gold Glove, we were just starting. He was
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  Speaker 1: just starting something special. Because since that moment in November
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  Speaker 1: at the MLB store, he's broken Mariti records. Before the
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  Speaker 1: All Star Break, he's won the Derby. I mean, this
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  Speaker 1: team and him look like they have some eyests on
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  Speaker 1: bigger picture here.
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  Speaker 2: Oh for sure. And not only that, but being the
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  Speaker 2: first catcher to ever win a home runs for ever.
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  Speaker 2: I mean that cannot be understated in and of itself,
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  Speaker 2: especially when you've had other great power hitting catchers of
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  Speaker 2: the past like Piazza. I know he's competed in the
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  Speaker 2: Derby a few times. I don't know Pudge has ever competed.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like he might have at some point. But
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  Speaker 2: you have all these great hitting catchers that have competed
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  Speaker 2: in the Derby at some point, but the fact that
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  Speaker 2: none of them have ever won until this year, especially
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  Speaker 2: for a competition that has been around since the eighties,
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  Speaker 2: or technically the nineteen sixties, if you want to go
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  Speaker 2: all the way back to the syndicated TV series.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, no, it's it's quite something, all right. I
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  Speaker 1: won't get to take on the two teams out here
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  Speaker 1: in New York because it looks like, well, the Mets
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  Speaker 1: and Yanks both needed this break. I mean, I know
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  Speaker 1: the Yanks came off a five game win streak and
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  Speaker 1: they lost series to Cubs. But both teams need the
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  Speaker 1: break as as many teams in the in Major League
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  Speaker 1: Baseball right now. But locally, what adjustments do both teams
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  Speaker 1: need to make coming out of this break here?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'll just start off with my team, the Mets,
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  Speaker 2: and my answer is kind of it's gonna be more
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  Speaker 2: or less the same. I'll just kind of spoil that.
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  Speaker 2: But for the Mets especially, they need bullpen help in
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  Speaker 2: the worst way, and that's say rotation help as well,
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  Speaker 2: which you know that has been kind of addressed right
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  Speaker 2: before the break with Trump and Ia coming back, and
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  Speaker 2: he looked pretty good in relief against Kansas City, I believe,
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  Speaker 2: recording seven strikeouts in a game that you could very
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  Speaker 2: argue they should have won. I mean, they only lost
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  Speaker 2: three two to Kansas City, and not only that, but
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  Speaker 2: coming back to tie it in the ninth right before
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  Speaker 2: the walk off there. I mean, you're talking about very well,
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  Speaker 2: an easy sweep and kind of a twenty fifteen revenge
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  Speaker 2: tour if you will. That being said, you know, he
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  Speaker 2: still took two to three from Kansas and it.
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  Speaker 1: Was a good rebound because that they had a very
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  Speaker 1: surprising doubleheader sweep against at the hands of the Orioles.
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  Speaker 1: I did not expect them to lose both games that
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  Speaker 1: day on Thursday, but.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly not, especially with the Orioles just constantly tripping
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  Speaker 2: over themselves. And then that really comes into question if
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  Speaker 2: the Orioles should have done way, way more than what
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  Speaker 2: they should have. And this it doesn't even have to
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  Speaker 2: do with letting Corbyn Burns go. I mean, he was
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  Speaker 2: going to be getting a bag either way, and the
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  Speaker 2: Diamondbacks gave it to him, which, by the way, up
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  Speaker 2: to him, as he recovers from Tommy John, just an
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  Speaker 2: awful situation.
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  Speaker 1: By the way you mentioned Tommy John. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: there are a lot of guys, Garrett Cole and other
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  Speaker 1: guys that have just been shut down even mid season
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  Speaker 1: here with Tommy John is there babying going on right
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  Speaker 1: now that that's causing these arms? I mean, look, Clarksman
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  Speaker 1: had a huge, devastating Tommy John injury that now requires
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  Speaker 1: Tommy John and you know he was going for a
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  Speaker 1: no no there earlier in the season and they pulled them out.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like not letting the guys throw naturally is
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  Speaker 1: harming them a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: No, it is, But then it also just comes down
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  Speaker 2: to these training routines, these very modern training routines that
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  Speaker 2: you've had in the modern game, because back when say
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  Speaker 2: I was growing up, it wasn't really like you had
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  Speaker 2: all these pitchers from a very young age no less,
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  Speaker 2: just throwing as hard as they can three hundred and
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  Speaker 2: sixty five days a year for a probably six months
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  Speaker 2: season where they're making figure thirty starts if they were
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  Speaker 2: to make it in the big leagues or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: But the fact that these guys are throwing way more
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  Speaker 2: and at very high velocities as well, you're just kind
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  Speaker 2: of asking something to happen. And I mean, this isn't
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  Speaker 2: even a major league problem, which is just kind of
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  Speaker 2: nuts in and of itself. But you know, when you
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  Speaker 2: have teenagers, literal teenagers undergoing Tommy John surgery just because
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  Speaker 2: they're being trained, programmed to throw at these high velocities
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  Speaker 2: in high school to just garner attention of colleges, major
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  Speaker 2: league scouts. It's a whole trickle down effect.
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  Speaker 1: And I believe there are just underwent Tommy John that
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  Speaker 1: got drafted on Sunday, if I'm not mistaken.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I believe so. Unfortunately the name is not
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  Speaker 2: coming to my head here, but I mean it also
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  Speaker 2: does go to show that you can still make a
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  Speaker 2: successful recovery from Tommy John sometimes multiple Tommy John's. Absolutely
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  Speaker 2: we cannot underestimate that under or understate rather that multiple pictures.
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  Speaker 2: There's a ton of them out there that have undergone
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  Speaker 2: not one, but two, sometimes more Tommy John surgery. Then
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  Speaker 2: would possibly imagine, I mean, Jacob de Gram is the
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  Speaker 2: first person that I think of with that to Tommy
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  Speaker 2: John surgeries one I believe in college, or not in college,
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  Speaker 2: but rather when he was in a NETS system and
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  Speaker 2: then his second with the Rangers in twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 1: I believe it was Kate Anderson actually got drafted and
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  Speaker 1: he had Tommy John just in twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Kate Anderson, who I thought the Nets the Nationals
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  Speaker 2: should have taken with the first overall pick over Eli
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  Speaker 2: Will but he's got a lot of upside though that
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  Speaker 2: picks to him.
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  Speaker 1: Four actually had Tommy John which is very very interesting.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens. We'll see what happened.
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  Speaker 2: We certainly will.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Now, let's go to the Yanks, because I
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  Speaker 1: look at that team, as you know, they're making moves.
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  Speaker 1: I think the cutting of DJ is lighting up a fire, saying, hey,
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  Speaker 1: if you don't perform, well, we are going to cut.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the idea to show them they are replaceable,
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  Speaker 1: might fire them up a little bit, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: then and then moving Jazz to second, opening that door
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  Speaker 1: for a third baseman. Right now, that should be score
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  Speaker 1: as we'll see what the Backs are asking for. But Ryan,
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  Speaker 1: what I'm also looking at is the bigger picture here.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna compete with a Tiger team that
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  Speaker 1: looks unstoppable right now, and they got to look in
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  Speaker 1: that mirror and say, hey, how do we match up
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  Speaker 1: with the Tigers? How do we have one leg up
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  Speaker 1: over them?
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  Speaker 2: If you will, yeah, pretty much. And you know I
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  Speaker 2: hinted earlier that my answer was kind of gonna be
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  Speaker 2: a little bit similar as to what exactly the Yanks
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  Speaker 2: need to do, and one of them for sure is
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  Speaker 2: definitely getting their bullpen help as well. So both New
• 11:29
  Speaker 2: York team's kind of in the same boat there and
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  Speaker 2: the Yankees one ironically claiming a Mets reliever Off Waivers
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  Speaker 2: to really help with the to play a bullpen as well.
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  Speaker 2: He's looked pretty good in his few appearances for the
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  Speaker 2: Mets as well, so I have optimism that he'll continue
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  Speaker 2: to be the same with the Yanks. But as far
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  Speaker 2: as their third base hole goes, I think Suarez he
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  Speaker 2: would fit really well in the Bronx with their mostly
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  Speaker 2: power hitting lineup. He's definitely somebody that could just fit
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  Speaker 2: right on in. But the question is if you're Brian
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  Speaker 2: Cash and I'm sure Arizona they're gonna be looking for
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  Speaker 2: a lot of prospects back for their guys that have
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  Speaker 2: been rumored to be traded. I believe, not just Suarez,
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  Speaker 2: but correct me if I'm wrong. I think Montgomery is
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  Speaker 2: still in trade toss over there, Yeah, and a couple
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  Speaker 2: other expiring and.
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  Speaker 1: Their contender, by the way, I believe.
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  Speaker 2: Which is just wild in and of itself. But the
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  Speaker 2: question I want to post you. You're a big Yankees fan,
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  Speaker 2: you know this team inside and out. But if you're
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  Speaker 2: Brian Cashman, do you let go of Spencer Jones if
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  Speaker 2: it meant giving up Suarez?
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  Speaker 1: I think they've been in such a great form with
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  Speaker 1: the farm system. I still feel like you gotta protect
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  Speaker 1: Spencer Jones and you can't. I'm with you, you can't ask.
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  Speaker 1: I can't get rid of him because he will be
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  Speaker 1: the few. He is the future of the Yankees lineup
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  Speaker 1: right now. Ryan. As you know, I met Ben Rice
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  Speaker 1: a couple about a week ago or so.
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  Speaker 2: Love the kid.
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  Speaker 1: I love what he's brought to this team. But I
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  Speaker 1: still don't think they need a couple of bats. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: and Rights are who they're leaning on right now. So
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  Speaker 1: Brian Cashm has a way of fine line. They need
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  Speaker 1: another hitter, there's no doubt, maybe even two hitters, you know,
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  Speaker 1: or maybe be Risky and Collin Spencer. I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: but something's got to give right now.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, something absolutely has to give right now. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you just really got a question. Is Spencer Jones is
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  Speaker 2: even ready for the big league level at this point?
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  Speaker 2: You know, maybe he could be a September call up
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  Speaker 2: if that's the case. If not twenty twenty six, I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure he will definitely be ready by then. I Mean,
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  Speaker 2: that's exactly why we saw Cash get Paul Goldschmid as
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  Speaker 2: sort of that stopgap option there, and he's worked out
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  Speaker 2: pretty well there. Yeah, for his age and his clining production,
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  Speaker 2: he's still very just leadoff.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, that's that we can agree with. He should be
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  Speaker 1: lead off every game because I seem to be thriving
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  Speaker 1: when he's at the top there. So we'll have to see.
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  Speaker 1: One other thing that that crosses my mind here, Ryan,
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  Speaker 1: is you look at the standings right now. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: the Blue Jays, I thought we're gonna have a bigger
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  Speaker 1: lead into the break, but there are only two games
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  Speaker 1: up on the Yanks, which gives the Yanks a lot
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  Speaker 1: of hope here, and the Mets and Phillies are gonna
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  Speaker 1: be battling it out. I feel like the Phillies are
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  Speaker 1: more of a mess than the Mets right now, though.
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  Speaker 2: Now they absolutely are. The way their bullpen has been constructed,
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  Speaker 2: I mean I'd almost argue their bullpen is a bigger
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  Speaker 2: mess than anything the Mets have been able to put
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  Speaker 2: out there. Right now, because at least they've had some
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  Speaker 2: good consistency, they've had some good stretches where their bullpen
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  Speaker 2: has been absolutely lights out. And it's not just with Diaz,
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  Speaker 2: but you have the likes of Brazabon, Read Garrett, even
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  Speaker 2: Max Kranic earlier in the season just going off for
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  Speaker 2: several stretches. But even then that's kind of fizzled.
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  Speaker 1: By the way your bullpen and Standic's return has been
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  Speaker 1: really good for the Mets right now.
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  Speaker 2: And they absolutely needed that because Brasabon really has not
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: had a good stretch going into the summer months. But
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  Speaker 2: Max Kranick also hitters really starting to figure him out,
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  Speaker 2: and he might need Tommy John as well.
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  Speaker 1: I might have to repost the reply because I feel
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  Speaker 1: like I was right on the money when I said
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  Speaker 1: Jenkowski's return was going to energize the Mets. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like he's a spark plug. I remember when they all
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  Speaker 1: wore his jersey a few years ago. He's a guy
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  Speaker 1: that everybody loves in the clubhouse.
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  Speaker 2: Oh for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I was pretty sad when they let him
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: go in twenty twenty two and all that. And that's
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  Speaker 2: not just because he tossed me a baseball during a
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: game at City Field that I dropped. But that's a
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  Speaker 2: whole other can of worms. But he is pretty much
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  Speaker 2: that prototypical glue guy that you would just love to
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  Speaker 2: have off the bench, spring speed, brings clutch hits when needed,
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  Speaker 2: can field pretty well too. He's that prototypical fourth glue
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  Speaker 2: guy outfielder that you would want to have out there.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: And unfortunately they defate him again to make some roster space.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: But you know whether or not he'll make a couple
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: more appearances for the Mets at a later time, We'll
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: see what happens with that. I mean, their outfield has
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: been pretty healthy, but also they've been in a lot
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: of talks for starting center fielder. Perhaps I've seen Luisa
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: Robert from the White Sox and potential trade talks. They're
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: gonna be looking for another starting outfielder. Not that Tyron
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: Taylor needs to be displaced or anything like that. He's
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: had elite fielding out there, but the hitting is definitely
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: something that leaves a lot to be desired. So I'm
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: sure the Mets can grab another big bat before the
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: deadline passes. David Stearns would absolutely love the chance to
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: do that.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: Ryan'sping of the bats, Juan Soda is heating up. But
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: you talk about Jankowski throwing you a ball, I understand,
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: mister Soto threw you a ball?
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: Is that right?
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Oh? He did.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: Absolutely Now wasn't a live game ball, as much as
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: I would like to say, But now it was one
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: of those toss ups that somehow went my way. So
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: you can't be too mad at that.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Absolutely not. And are you pleased with his turn on?
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: I feel like the snub is fired. I'm up a
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: little bit.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: I think it has. And I know there's a lot
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: of Mets fans out there that say, oh, Soda was
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: snub d should have been in the All Star Game?
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: Why the heck is he not making it over for
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: Nida to tease? They're all crying about it. But quite frankly,
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: if he had more consistency in his season thus far,
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: I'm talking March, April, even part of May. Had he
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: been consistent the full season, he would have made it,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: for sure. But one good month, Quite frankly, I really
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: don't think that's a snub. Is contrary to what a
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: lot of Mets fans are saying. I mean, I just
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: need more consistency from my all stars right there. And
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: I know that's a very unpopular opinion in Mets country,
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: but it's something that I'm not really afraid to say.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: No, mister Pete Alonso and a lot of fans I've
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: seen want him to get the money now, you know,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: like just sign them.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Up already exactly. Yeah, because when he signed his new
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: contract with the Mets, it also includes that player opt
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: out after year one, So everybody knows he's gonna take it,
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: no question, and he is for sure gonna get a
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: bag in the offseason now that his value is just
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: gonna be completely reset as of now. I mean again,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: we'll have to see what happens in September with the
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: with him really struggling down the stretch for the Mets
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: before the playoffs, so it is a little early to tell,
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: but I have a lot of faith in Pete.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: All Right, Well, Ryan, this has been awesome. And one
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: other thing I gotta ask you the MVP debate last year,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't really a debate. Judge was the guy,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: but Bobby Wood Junior was making a very very strong
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: case as well. He was now Rally's making a case
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: could we see a Judge rally even with junior competition
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: for MVP.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Here, Yeah, I could very well see that. And by
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: junior you mean Camon.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Arow no cal rally and then Bobby Wit junior.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Ah, Bobby Wit junior. See, I'm thinking of multiple juniors here.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: It's kind of a funny dynamic how that works out.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: But I think it'll be between Judge and Big Dumper
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: for sure. Who Pat McAfee was introducing him as having
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: the fattest button in all of professional sports. Kind of
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: a funny pro bow that he cut there. You know, absolutely,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: with the way that Raley's been breaking all these records
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: for catchers that have pretty much been unheard of almost
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: now he's in Todd Hunley ninety six territory, and well,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: you know, if he keeps breaking these records, don't be
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: surprised if he wins the MVP, even over Judge. No less,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: I mean he it's his a word to lose. I
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: would say, it's ever Judge's MVP to lose.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: All right, very bold there. I think the Mets and Yanks, somehow,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: at the end of the break into the break have
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: positioned themselves in a very very reasonable way and we'll
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: catch up with you maybe in the third quarter poll,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: like in September, when we're down the stretch here.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe when the Mets inevitably somehow collapse in August.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Not saying that will happen, but you know, I've been
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: through enough seasons.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's that's why I tell Yankee fans you'd
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: rather collapse in June rather than in September.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: We've all seen that before, exactly. And you know, as
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: a Mets fan, I know what collapsing in May feels like.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: And time it happened, it turned out pretty well. So
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: now let's think.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: You guys went from and five to the two steps
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: away from the World Series? So good?
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Where has Gary co ineloquently put it from oh to
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: five to omg?
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Exactly? All right, Ryan Pagano always a pledge to have
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: you on, and do check out his podcast PAGs Perspective. Yes,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: PAGs Perspective, let's get.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: It right, all right? Sounds good. Not Pagano's rituals yet.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Maybe maybe maybe we're down the road, but for
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: now PAGs Perspective. We'll talk to you soon. Ryan.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: All right, much appreciated, Alex. Great to be on your show.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Ones for it,