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Super Tuesdays - Republicans Reek Of Panic & Desperation As The Midterms Loom · The Chuck ToddCast

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  Speaker 1: 21 days away. Chuck Dodd, Chris Alyssa, Super Tuesdays.
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  Speaker 2: Like, comment, subscribe. This is our podcast. And yes, people
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  Speaker 2: have asked me, Chuck, what are you guys going to
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  Speaker 2: do after the election? Yes, we're going to do it
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  Speaker 2: after the election.
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  Speaker 3: But we're never stopping.
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  Speaker 2: There's always elections. But yes, of course. But we're building
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  Speaker 2: up to this three weeks from today.
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  Speaker 3: There's only two months every two years where there isn't
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  Speaker 3: elections every Tuesday.
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  Speaker 1: Correct.
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  Speaker 3: And it's in the two months, basically the 60 days
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  Speaker 3: before the election, before each election. But usually and even,
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  Speaker 3: you know, if it's Tuesday, somebody's voting somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of like that, like one day a year
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  Speaker 2: on the sports calendar where there's no professional sports.
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  Speaker 3: Is that still a day or have we wiped that
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  Speaker 3: day out? It used to be a day. I think
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  Speaker 3: we've wiped it out because we've expanded our aperture of sports.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So it was sometime in July, but now that's- Was
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  Speaker 3: it like a WNBA game? Now we have WNBA and
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  Speaker 3: we have some professional soccer. So I think if you
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  Speaker 3: look at it of the three and a half major sports, sorry, NHL,
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  Speaker 3: I'm giving you the half, not the whole. We'll take
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  Speaker 3: the half. I could make an argument like DC United
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  Speaker 3: is that MLS and NHL are closer than you want.
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  Speaker 2: To Soccer is starting to become a much bigger deal
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  Speaker 2: in this country.
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  Speaker 3: No question. Yeah. Maybe EPL is ahead of NHL.
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  Speaker 2: It might be in terms of viewership in America.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, yes.
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  Speaker 2: I just remember it was always that one day where
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  Speaker 2: it was like fallow period.
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  Speaker 3: Now, you know what we have in about two weeks
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  Speaker 3: is we have– I think it's two weeks from Monday,
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  Speaker 3: from yesterday. Okay. Which is the sports equinox. where the
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  Speaker 3: four majors all have games on the same day.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's the sweetest plum.
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  Speaker 3: You'll have the MLB playoffs. Yep. You'll have Monday Night Football,
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  Speaker 3: and then you'll have both NBA and NHL.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say, NBA is basically back.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: There's obviously a zillion ways we could go. I'm just
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  Speaker 2: going to jump in, Chuck, to the thing that kind
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  Speaker 2: of I was. And that's why my voice is banged up.
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  Speaker 2: I was away at a college thing with my friends,
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  Speaker 2: my college friends this weekend in Nashville. But I was
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  Speaker 2: following loosely and then kind of dialed back in on Monday.
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  Speaker 1: This whole thing with James Tallarico. And I'm fascinated because it.
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  Speaker 2: Seems to me like if anybody finds out what I
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  Speaker 2: do for a living, they're like, what's the deal with Texas?
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  Speaker 2: Like it's kind of the big one.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think it tells you just how if certain
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  Speaker 3: people engage in conspiracies, it gains real traction. And Elon
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  Speaker 3: Musk is one of those people. So let me just
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  Speaker 3: set the scene. It goes mainstream regardless of any truthiness
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  Speaker 3: at all. I mean he's perhaps the most dangerous American
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  Speaker 3: going at the moment.
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  Speaker 2: So let me set the scene for people who haven't
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  Speaker 2: been paying attention, which is your right. Tallarico is off
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  Speaker 2: the campaign trail from September 26th effectively. He does an
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  Speaker 2: event on September 30th virtually, but he doesn't campaign between
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  Speaker 2: September 26th and October 9th, last Friday. He returns to
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  Speaker 2: the campaign trail in Austin last Friday. His campaign says
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  Speaker 2: he has the fluke.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Trump mid last week says, you know, James Talofrico hasn't
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  Speaker 2: been seen in weeks. Not true, but he hasn't been
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  Speaker 2: on the campaign trail in a while. Over the weekend,
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  Speaker 2: to your Elon Musk point, these people from Spencer Pratt,
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  Speaker 2: former LA mayoral candidate to people I've never heard of,
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  Speaker 2: basically say whose bios on Twitter say they are Trump influencers,
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  Speaker 2: whatever the hell that means. Says they've done investigations and
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  Speaker 2: there was a flight from Ohio back to Texas and
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  Speaker 2: they called this mental health facility there and that James
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  Speaker 2: Tallarico had been there. You know, the rumor being, oh,
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  Speaker 2: he had a mental breakdown or is dealing with stress.
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  Speaker 3: All of that winds up not being true.
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  Speaker 2: But to your point, I believe Elon Musk from his account,
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  Speaker 2: which has a zillion followers, retweeted it three separate times.
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  Speaker 3: And then he's rigged X. It doesn't have a– it's
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  Speaker 3: not an honest algorithm. It's whatever Elon says it is.
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  Speaker 1: You see his stuff constantly.
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  Speaker 3: You do and you do see right-wing conspiracy theories. You
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  Speaker 3: can't unfollow Elon even when you unfollow him. No, you
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  Speaker 3: get fed his content anyway. You get fed his content.
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  Speaker 3: I mean it really is sort of– it is– he
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  Speaker 3: is out of control in his own weird way and
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  Speaker 3: we're going to end up seeing laws designed to check him.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, because of his financial power and his this
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  Speaker 3: shows you why him owning Twitter is so dangerous because
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  Speaker 3: of his ability to essentially manufacture a narrative that has
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  Speaker 3: no truth to it whatsoever. Like the only thing that
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  Speaker 3: was true is Tallarico wasn't on the campaign trail. Other
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  Speaker 3: than that, everything else was just idle speculation. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: the irony is that the person who doesn't campaign or
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  Speaker 3: show up on the trail all the time is Ken Paxton.
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  Speaker 3: Ken Paxton doesn't do debates. Ken Paxton doesn't do events.
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  Speaker 3: Ken Paxton doesn't do interviews. I don't know if Ken
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  Speaker 3: Paxton is a living, breathing human being. I have physically
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  Speaker 3: never seen him in person. I have never seen him
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  Speaker 3: say yes to an interview. I mean, if you want
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  Speaker 3: to play this silly game, I don't know if Ken
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  Speaker 3: Paxton exists because you don't actually see many, other than
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  Speaker 3: these audio tapes, you don't see much physical- Leaked audio.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You don't actually see physical manifestations of Ken Paxton.
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  Speaker 2: To your point that I thought was hilarious when Trump
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  Speaker 2: went on True Social and did the like, where is
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  Speaker 2: James Tallarico? He was like– Trump literally said, Ken Paxton
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  Speaker 2: is ready to debate you tomorrow. Ken Paxton has dodged
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  Speaker 2: James Tallarico. James Tallarico said, we debate on Fox. We
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  Speaker 2: can debate wherever you want. It's just so– anyway. I
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  Speaker 2: got two other threads to pull on this.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I will just say this. I think this
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  Speaker 3: almost cements the race, right? Like if this is where
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  Speaker 3: the Paxton folks are, you're just like, hey, man, if
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  Speaker 3: we could just start a conspiracy theory that he's on
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  Speaker 3: Prozac or something, I don't know, right? Like maybe that'll
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  Speaker 3: bail us out. Like they don't have a substantive thing
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  Speaker 3: that's working. Nothing is sticking, and it's not just Tallarico.
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  Speaker 3: This is the Republican money everywhere. They've tried essentially every
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  Speaker 3: culture war trick in the book that has worked for
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  Speaker 3: Trump in the last couple of cycles, certainly worked a
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  Speaker 3: bit in 24, down to the they-them business. They're trying again,
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  Speaker 3: but like anything, it's like when you try a trick
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  Speaker 3: play twice in a row, don't be surprised when the
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  Speaker 3: defense has figured out your trick play.
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  Speaker 2: That was the first thread I wanted to pull, which
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  Speaker 2: is when I saw it and it became.
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  Speaker 3: Clear there was no there there, I thought.
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  Speaker 2: This is kind of the last gasps of a very
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  Speaker 2: desperate campaign and party as it relates to Texas. the
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  Speaker 2: talarico believes in a nine binary god and six genders
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  Speaker 2: while that might appeal to some people it's clearly not
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  Speaker 2: moving the numbers enough so now it's he's having a
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  Speaker 2: mental breakdown like that's how it read to me right
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  Speaker 2: to your.
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  Speaker 3: Train something else i mean look i mean this was
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  Speaker 3: donald trump's mo during even the primaries well ted cruz
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  Speaker 3: and his father Hillary Clinton and her health. And then,
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  Speaker 3: of course, he started all those rumors. So then when
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  Speaker 3: something happened on 9-11 in 2016, it suddenly made him
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  Speaker 3: seem more credible than he actually was because he had
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  Speaker 3: been doing all the National Enquirer, you know, what's wrong
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  Speaker 3: with Hillary's health rumors, right? And all this- Blind squirrel
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  Speaker 3: nut phenomenon. Exactly. And all of that stuff. And it felt,
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  Speaker 3: it just feels like the same, you know, grasp. But look,
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  Speaker 3: this is losing Texas- is like Democrats losing California. So
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  Speaker 3: you're going, if you think about the stages of grief,
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  Speaker 3: I think that in both cases, the gubernatorial race and
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  Speaker 3: the Senate race, you're still in denial mode. I think
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  Speaker 3: like John Cornyn's at resignation. I think John Thune's at resignation.
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  Speaker 3: I think the Republicans who've never been on team Trump
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  Speaker 3: are sort of resigned to the fact that, yeah, they're
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  Speaker 3: gonna blow the Senate race. But there's still denial that
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  Speaker 3: they're going to that there's something bigger happening in Texas. Right.
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  Speaker 3: There's still denial that Abbott is going to lose to,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the double whammy of this. I mean, this
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  Speaker 3: is just a you know. You want to talk about
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  Speaker 3: a catastrophic result getting swept in those top two races. Oh, gosh,
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  Speaker 3: that would that's catastrophic. It doesn't even matter what the
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  Speaker 3: rest of the numbers are, because you want to you
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  Speaker 3: alter the political map like. Completely. Because Paxton's loss is
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  Speaker 3: explainable and a one-off.
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  Speaker 1: Sure. Terrible candidate.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Paxton and Abbott both losing means- That's- Yeah. It was
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  Speaker 3: Paxton and, right? Yeah. And the and is Republican governance.
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  Speaker 3: The and in this case is that I think this
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  Speaker 3: is a stake in the heart of school vouchers. I
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  Speaker 3: really do if Abbott loses. But- it is a monumental
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  Speaker 3: opportunity for Democrats to take a map that they thought
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  Speaker 3: was trending in the wrong direction come 2032. And you
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  Speaker 3: suddenly transform the map and you put the Republicans more
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  Speaker 3: on the defensive than the Democrats. I mean, that's what
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  Speaker 3: makes all of these two Texas races. And I think
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  Speaker 3: why you're seeing, you do whatever it takes. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: because losing both is not an option. You've got to
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  Speaker 3: save one of those races. I think that's the mentality, right?
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  Speaker 3: You're Jeff Rowe, you're Karl Rove, you're any of these folks.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter which wing of the party you're from.
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  Speaker 3: You're sitting there going, Jesus Christ, you lose. You know,
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  Speaker 3: Texas is catastrophic. It's on another level. Symbolically and literally
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  Speaker 3: given the number of electoral votes.
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  Speaker 2: Right. It is.
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  Speaker 3: Look, 1994, when Cuomo lost, even though all the numbers
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  Speaker 3: indicated Cuomo was in trouble, But it was a psychological blow. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: It was New York.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: It was Cuomo, one of the stars of the party,
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  Speaker 3: you know, losing. Now he was trying to win a
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  Speaker 3: fourth term. I mean, you know, I think the New
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  Speaker 3: York governor, 94, Texas governor, 2026 is identical. It's very possible.
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  Speaker 3: Just like New York, 94. It meant nothing for the
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  Speaker 3: national stuff. It meant nothing on the presidential level. New
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  Speaker 3: York is still a democratic state. You just had a
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  Speaker 3: bunch of people deciding, you know what? We need some
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  Speaker 3: split governance. We need to rein in the left wing.
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  Speaker 3: We need to rein in the Democrats a little bit
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  Speaker 3: and maybe this will do it. And I think that's
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  Speaker 3: what's really happening in all over red America, right? Which
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  Speaker 3: is why it's possible Democrats have almost do better in
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  Speaker 3: some of red states than they do some blue states
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  Speaker 3: because of this is about- sending a message to the
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  Speaker 3: Republican Party.
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  Speaker 2: Our friend Gabe Fleischer wrote that exact piece, that Democrats
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  Speaker 2: are overperforming in red areas and not as much in
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  Speaker 2: blue areas.
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  Speaker 1: But that's another conversation.
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  Speaker 3: Donald Trump did the same thing. He overperformed in blue
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  Speaker 3: areas in 2024 and not in red areas. And it
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  Speaker 3: was more out of exasperation with the left, right? Democrats
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  Speaker 3: upset at Democrats or left-leaning constituencies feeling as if they
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  Speaker 3: weren't being listened to. And I think what you really
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  Speaker 3: have is a very similar situation with the right.
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  Speaker 2: I want to pull one more string on this before
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  Speaker 2: we move on, which is the Elon Musk string. Because
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  Speaker 2: not just did he make sure that.
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  Speaker 5: The conspiracy theory got mainstreamed, but he also, according to
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  Speaker 5: reporting that came out on Monday, has spent $ 260 million
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  Speaker 5: with smart people saying it's probably more than that.
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  Speaker 3: $ 260 million on this election already.
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  Speaker 2: The richest person in the world– with the town square
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  Speaker 2: of political.
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  Speaker 3: Media in America. We've known that's dangerous, but this is
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  Speaker 3: kind of what it looks like, right, Chuck? It is.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I would tell this to my friends on
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  Speaker 3: the right. Everything you claim to fear about George Soros.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. Good comparison. Is what Elon Musk is actually, there's this,
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  Speaker 3: you know, with Soros, there's a conspiracy theory because he's Jewish, right?
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  Speaker 3: And that's what, you know, the original George Soros' original
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  Speaker 3: sin is his identity. He's been attacked and character assassinated
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  Speaker 3: because he was a Jewish activist for democracy in Eastern Europe.
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  Speaker 3: And the Russian trolls, the Hungarian trolls, all of the
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  Speaker 3: Eastern European authoritarian sympathizers have been undermining and character assassinating Soros.
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  Speaker 3: and it got turned into right-wing America, hey, this guy
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  Speaker 3: is trying to manipulate your system. He's manipulating with money. Well, look,
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  Speaker 3: what Elon Musk is, this goes to what some on
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  Speaker 3: the right have done, what they accuse the left of doing,
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  Speaker 3: they do, right? It's a projection. And they're doing it. Now,
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  Speaker 3: the defense is, well, I'm just responding to, like Elon
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  Speaker 3: Musk's in sort of perverted mind, would say, I'm just
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  Speaker 3: responding to Soros. This is what Soros is doing.
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  Speaker 1: But Musk is spending.
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  Speaker 3: Vast sums more than Soros.
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  Speaker 4: Correct.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you don't have to believe Chuck and I.
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  Speaker 1: You can look at the numbers.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Soros, by the way, Soros hangs in there. He
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  Speaker 3: spends a bunch.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The irony is that Republicans have like four guys that
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  Speaker 3: spend the equivalent of what Soros spends, right? It's about
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  Speaker 3: a So it gives the right a bigger advantage. But
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  Speaker 3: this controlling of the media, this is– the right has–
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  Speaker 3: there are certain confirmation biases that run strong in right-wing
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  Speaker 3: ecosystems and this idea that the left controls the media.
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  Speaker 3: If by you mean the left controls truth and honesty,
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  Speaker 3: I guess you could– it's sort of like I guess–
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  Speaker 3: The truth has a liberal bias if you believe some
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  Speaker 3: of this stuff on the right. But this is a
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  Speaker 3: foundational belief, right? That those, quote unquote, left controls the media.
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  Speaker 3: So what does that mean? The right's been obsessed with
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  Speaker 3: manufacturing its own media ecosystem for decades, right? It was
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  Speaker 3: the Roger Ailes initial sort of vision was what he
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  Speaker 3: put together. Rush Limbaugh was a product of that, but
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  Speaker 3: it was more of the Ailes. It was the Ailes vision.
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  Speaker 3: It was Murdoch's belief, which is why he bought newspapers
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  Speaker 3: back in the day at Fleet Street, right? So this
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  Speaker 3: has been a consistent belief that somehow it's the media's
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  Speaker 3: fault that bad ideas don't make it into the small
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  Speaker 3: D democratic ecosystem. But what Musk has put together is
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  Speaker 3: something that our government used to try to stop, which
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  Speaker 3: is no one person should have this outsized control megaphone.
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  Speaker 3: And that is, I do think what we have to
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  Speaker 3: figure out when it comes to regulating tech is control
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  Speaker 3: of the marketplace and control of the information ecosystem. In
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  Speaker 3: the same way we had rules that indicated that somebody
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  Speaker 3: who owned a newspaper couldn't own a TV station in
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  Speaker 3: the same market. Well, markets are meaningless now, right? There's
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  Speaker 3: borderless walls. But if you have.
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  Speaker 3: You know, a control of an ecosystem over a percent
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  Speaker 3: amount of traffic, you know, I think that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you gotta be broken up, right? The bigger you get,
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  Speaker 3: you gotta break it up, whether it's Facebook with its
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  Speaker 3: WhatsApp and Instagram, you know, should one company have multiple,
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  Speaker 3: have control algorithms that sort of impact 30% of the
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  Speaker 3: social media marketplace, right? I think these are rules we
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  Speaker 3: haven't contemplated. We haven't caught up to where the technology is.
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  Speaker 3: But we've had a baseline in this country that we
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  Speaker 3: don't want any one person controlling a certain amount of
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  Speaker 3: the information ecosystem. Here's what I do know. Elon Musk
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  Speaker 3: controls too much of it. The question though is, I
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  Speaker 3: can't sit here and tell you the easiest way to
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  Speaker 3: regulate this, whether it's regulating an algorithm, where do you
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  Speaker 3: draw the line? I know it's like the pornography test. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: I know he's got too much. I know this shouldn't
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  Speaker 3: work this way. Throw in the fact that he's a
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  Speaker 3: government contractor and he's in cahoots with the government. There's
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  Speaker 3: a lot of ethical reasons why he shouldn't have as
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  Speaker 3: much impact as he does. but I want it done
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  Speaker 3: in a non-censorship First Amendment, you know what I mean? Like,
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  Speaker 3: it's gotta be constitutionally sound. And I do think it's
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  Speaker 3: more of market share, right? I think it's about preventing
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  Speaker 3: monopolies of information, just like you would prevent a monopoly
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  Speaker 3: on a specific sector. I think that's a great point.
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  Speaker 2: And I do think, look, whether you follow Elon Musk
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  Speaker 2: or not, you get fed what he sees.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, you just do.
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  Speaker 2: And for everyone in Chuck and I's world, that is
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  Speaker 2: their de facto dashboard.
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  Speaker 3: Probably still Twitter. You know, it's a thing that they
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  Speaker 3: they certainly have a tab of it open. Well, there
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  Speaker 3: is most reporters. Now, the left has moved off of Twitter.
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  Speaker 3: And I can tell in my own feed, because even
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  Speaker 3: though I still follow some people on the left, if
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  Speaker 3: they're inactive accounts, you know, my feed leans right.
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  Speaker 1: I think everybody's does now.
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  Speaker 2: You know, and I think it used to be if
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  Speaker 2: you criticize Democrats, you would take a raft of shit
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  Speaker 2: on Twitter.
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  Speaker 3: Now, it's if you criticize Republicans, you take a raft
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  Speaker 3: of shit on Twitter. That's how I can tell the difference.
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  Speaker 2: People, we announced this a couple of weeks ago, we
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  Speaker 2: are sponsored by Kalshi through the election, the prediction market,
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  Speaker 2: which I've always before we start, Chuck, I'm always kind
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: of like looking through like something that I'm kind of
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: fascinated by. So I want to pull this market up.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Because the big question, both on the House and the Senate,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: but we don't talk enough about the House, is, okay,
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  Speaker 2: certainly in the House, the expectation is Democrats are going
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: to win. But I thought this was interesting. How many
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: seats will Republicans hold after the midterms?
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  Speaker 5: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Let me just scroll down.
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  Speaker 2: You can see here below one 93, 25% chance, one
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  Speaker 2: 93 to one 97, 11, one 98 to two Oh two.
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  Speaker 2: I think 25% is the most, you know, you kind
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  Speaker 2: of get into, into here folks.
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  Speaker 1: This is, they'd be in the majority, right?
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  Speaker 3: Two 18.
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  Speaker 2: So down in here, but so I'm intrigued by that
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  Speaker 2: because obviously two Oh, it was two Oh six. It
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: has gone, you know, down into two Oh five. It
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: hasn't moved a huge amount. But yeah, One other thing
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  Speaker 2: on that. So that's that market, you know, the, the question,
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  Speaker 2: and we, I wrote about this and one of our friends,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Chuck and I are part of a, you know, informal
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: email group, just three of us about if Kansas, I
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  Speaker 2: wrote about this on Substack, but we have not got
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  Speaker 2: a chance to talk about it. I thought this would
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  Speaker 2: be a good way to talk about it.
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  Speaker 3: I did it.
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  Speaker 1: Did you talk about it?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But like, you know, the two, two, Kansas Senate is competitive.
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  Speaker 3: That's a Trump plus 16.
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  Speaker 2: If every Trump plus 16 congressional district is competitive, you
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: could be talking at 250, 260, 207 Democrat seats. We're
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: not talking about the Koushi Mark. i mean you could
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: get i guess under 193 would get you there but.
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  Speaker 3: What do you make of that?
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Are we, could we be missing the size of the wave, Chuck, on.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: The big side? Obviously, we could be missing it on
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: the small side.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's more likely we're missing it. I've gone
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: through this. I went through this on my Monday podcast.
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  Speaker 3: We're more likely missing it. If we miss it, we're
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: going to, and this is just- Wait, wait.
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  Speaker 2: If we miss it, we're going to miss it that
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: we think it is smaller than it winds up being.
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  Speaker 3: Correct. Okay, got it. I just want to- Because, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we're all, look, we're in the probability business. We're not
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  Speaker 3: in the possibility business.
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  Speaker 4: Nope.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: And there's a big difference. Absolutely. It's possible that Democrats
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: can win 50 to 60 House seats. It's just not probable.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: But there's a 10% chance that could happen. And that's
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: not an insignificant amount, right? Like that's, you know, these
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: guys actually, these guys think it's even more so. I mean,
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: it's 25% here. Well, you look at, so 193 would
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: mean Democrats at 242, which would be the most they've
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  Speaker 3: had in the 21st century, right? Yes. I don't think
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: they've had a House with over 240. I don't think
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: so off the top of my head. But look, I
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: think here's the other thing about Senate races. In midterms,
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: they're not always generic. In presidential years, they follow a
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: generic vote. In midterm years, they have an opportunity where
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: candidates are worth extra points. So take Marshall and Hamilton.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: And this is where I don't believe it's a D
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: plus 16 environment that's necessary for Kansas to win. I believe,
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: you know, you've got, we've gone through this. Scandal penalties
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: are somewhere between four and seven points. And I documented this.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: We did this about a month ago.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: And I did this documentation.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: How do you get through? How do you figure roughly
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  Speaker 2: what it is? Right.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: And it turned out when you look back on scandal
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: plagued candidates, whether they ran or the substitute candidate run,
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: it is a four to seven point. penalty for that
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: party um and.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes that gets us to r plus 12 well here's
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: what i would say is there's no scandal here and
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  Speaker 2: i think that you don't think the new york times
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: story that's not scandal okay that's not scandal you would
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: you would say yeah okay fair enough scandal is what
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  Speaker 2: jay jones did what ken paxton did sure i don't
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  Speaker 2: think roger marshall he didn't do anything illegal no In fact, I.
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  Speaker 1: Looked it up.
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  Speaker 2: Plenty of doctors in Kansas do that.
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  Speaker 3: It's not illegal. So there's a difference, right? And I
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: guess technically Jay Jones, what he did wasn't technically illegal,
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: but it was sort of unbecoming, right? Whatever it is,
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: it's sort of like, so- Well, it's like you said
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: about pornography. You kind of know it when you see it.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 3: And so I look at Marshall, who is a below
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: average incumbent, and Hamilton, who's an above average challenger. together
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: it's probably worth four points you know two on the
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: negative two on the positive okay i think candidate quality
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  Speaker 3: is it matters less than environment and matters less um
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: than even um outside scandal but it matters some and
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: this is a case where both are you have candidate
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  Speaker 3: quality in the positive for hamilton and in the negative
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: for marshall so let's put in a d plus 12
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: well d plus 12 actually puts us right in line
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: with what everything, this is what everything, this is what
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: the entire environment looks like is D plus 12, right?
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: It's somewhere. And so as much as our friend is right,
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: technically to win Kansas, you have to do D plus 16.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: I think you have to subtract you know, that some
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: of the overperformance is due to candidate quality, which is
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: a separate category. And we could do this throughout. Like, look,
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: I think the reason why we're all, there's this big
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: hesitance on Maine flipping now. And it's because Troy Jackson,
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: is he an average candidate or is he a below average?
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  Speaker 2: Slightly below, slightly below replacement.
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  Speaker 3: Slightly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But it's like, It's like Kevin Franzen's war, right, which
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: is technically in the negative. It's my son's favorite comment.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: He goes, you know, I have a better war than
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: he does. He's always what my son will say. And
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: so I would probably put Troy slightly at zero. But
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: what would you do with Abdul El-Sayed, who is a
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: really good candidate and at the same time is running
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: in a tough– it's a tough– he is still running
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: uphill a little bit. It's not as steep as it
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: could have been in a presidential year, but he still
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: has to run uphill a little bit. So I think
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: he's going to perform. I think he's going to end
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: up performing as if he's a below average candidate or
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: an average candidate, even though as a political athlete, he's
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: really good at this.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Which means he's overperforming his negatives. Do you? I don't.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: By the way, these are for the people that always
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: want to put a number to everything. I know, which
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: is hard as opposed to a range. But by the way,
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: this is the world we live in now, which is,
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: you know, come up with a formula. And I'm going
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: to apply two points for candidate quality, four points for scandal,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: one point for this, three points, which is still arbitrary, right?
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: It's just my own experience saying, Well, this is how
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: much scandal is worth. This is how much political environment's worth.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: This is how much candidate quality is worth, right? But
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: mine is still subjective. Just like even all of these
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: number-based models. All the models. Are still subjective because it
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: all depends on whether you weight certain pollsters more than
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: you weight other pollsters. Whether you weight environment more than
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: you weight... candidate quality more.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: So our friends at decision desk hq who i love
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: i do a thing on with them on their model
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: like once every couple weeks they acknowledge look they are
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: like they include uh.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Prediction markets.
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  Speaker 2: The prediction market can't be any more than 25% of
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: the overmodel. They include that. They include historical data. They
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: include polling. But they're deciding how much of each percentage.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: For our football fans, a lot of the gamblers I
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: follow have a home field advantage theory.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a minus.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Three, right? Or a plus three. Depends on the stadium.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Depends on the team. Okay, so you take the L.A. Chargers,
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: they don't have a home field. Right, because the Chargers
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: fans aren't in L.A. Right, you don't factor that in.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: The Florida Gators at night have a huge home field.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Florida Gators at noon, it's still a good, but it's
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: not as, you know, it's like LSU at night.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Kids aren't properly liquored up by noon.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 3: The point is, though, is that that is a metric.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: Because you've heard that you just said, oh, well, home
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: field's always worth three quarters. Well, that's what I always.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: That was the old model. And then people started to
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: be more precise about it. And it's like, actually, maybe
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: in the NFL, home field's only worth probably a point
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: and a half now. And now home field is considered
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: a point.
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: And a half.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: So then again, it is literally a fluid, subjective market.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: So it's the same thing here, deciding what candidate quality is.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: How much do you value Adam Hamilton in Kansas versus
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: how much do you value Josh Turek in Iowa? Who's
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: better quality of candidate for that state versus not, right?
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: Like take Angie Nixon. Man, I think Angie Nixon would
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: be a more effective candidate in Mississippi than Florida. Discuss.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: OK.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: So, you know, her instincts of activism and organizing are
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: exactly what's missing in Mississippi. Scott Colombe would probably be
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: a better candidate in Florida. You know, so and it's
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: just more stylistically the type of candidates that they are.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Let me pull the I just want to pull the
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: odds up one more time here.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: The prediction market.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: OK, here it is. Do you, because I want to
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: ask you this question. I agree with you that candidate quality.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: I want to get to the Senate side on this.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Senate race matters.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: And I will do this.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: It does.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Does candidate quality matter in a House race?
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: So if you're Max Miller. I don't think so.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Generally.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Unless you're Max Miller. Right.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Unless you're.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: In deep S.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: Correct. It's, look, the individual House candidate doesn't matter until
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: it does. You know, that seems like a. A ridiculous
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: thing to say, except it's true.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Which is for the most part, these are parliamentary elections. Correct.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Which team are you on?
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: You'd rather be in a good district or in a
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: good year, but they're a good candidate for house.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: Look, You and I are not the only people that
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: factor everything into their voting, okay?
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: I have always factored character into my voting. Me too.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: And for instance, we had a member of Congress before
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Don Beyer that I refused to vote for under any circumstance.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: I voted against him in primaries, voted against him in
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: general elections. Not a Jim Moran guy, huh? Anybody that
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: physically abuses eight year olds. And I just didn't think
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: I just thought he doesn't deserve to represent.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Doesn't matter what party is. Correct.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: And that's when I always say I vote character like that. Matt,
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: I have the luxury of doing it. Not every, you know,
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: which and in northern Virginia, you know. But the point is,
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: I know 30 percent of voters don't vote that way,
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: but I know it's not just one percent either. So
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: the point is, in a close election.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: That two to five percent that do vote character over party,
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: that's where Max Miller gets in trouble.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: That's why Trump plus 12 district.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: Correct. But we just discussed I think D plus 12
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: is right on that is right on the window is
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: right on.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: That's interesting.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Deep that we are in like a D plus 12
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: ish environment.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: That's OK. So indicate D plus 12, even though everybody
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: is only comfortable saying D plus eight at the moment. Right.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Which I totally hold up. But if you actually look
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: at all the numbers, it feels like the prediction markets, look,
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: they're all, I think, in a D plus 12 or higher.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: So that's I pulled up the Senate.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: This is the same exact market just for the Senate,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: which is how many seats will Republicans hold? I think
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: the most likely is 48 right now. So that would mean.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: A loss of five. That's what Chuck Schumer and Kirsten
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: Gillibrand are telling people that they expect that the most
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: likely scenario is 52 Democratic seats. So let's go through it.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: So that's five.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: So we're assuming we're assuming the Democrats don't lose any
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: of their own in that setup.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: It's none of their own.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: And OK, so that's North Carolina.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: Five of the following seven, seven. North Carolina, Maine, Ohio, Alaska, Texas, Kansas, Iowa.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: Those are your seven. It's five of those seven. That's
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: what they're banking on, which means, you know, and then
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: if you look at eight, nine and 10, eight, nine
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: and 10 are Nebraska, South Carolina and Mississippi.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: I have to tell you, when you start to look
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: at it as a 10 pack, um, I can tell
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: you what I'd be investing in.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: I'd be investing in- So 10 would be here below 45.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Sure, right? 10 is at 54 or 55 Senate seats max.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: I think that's the max. Do they have a, you know,
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: one thing I would want to make sure is included
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: in CalSheet I assume they're counting Murkowski as a Republican
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: in this case.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: I think currently you have to because, you know, yes,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Fetterman is a Democrat.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: Murkowski is a Republican. Yeah. And Angus King is a
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: D and all that stuff.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Because I don't know if they have how many Senate
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: seats will Republicans hold after the Senate reconvenes. Right.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Like that's a different question.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: The question is, what's the better investment? Well, I think
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: you go at 7% under 45. That is intriguing to me.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: I disagree.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Tell me how the Democrats get to 56%.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: I can't get to 56 to get to 56. They're at, wait,
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: they're at 53, 47 right now. That's right. Tell me
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: how they get to 56. Yeah. Tell me how they
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: get to 56. So you think, okay, let's.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Go in order.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Let's go in order.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: North Carolina, North Carolina, Alaska, North Carolina, Ohio, Alaska.
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: Texas, Maine, 51, 52, Iowa, 53, kansas 54 so you're
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: trying to think i'm trying to so you gotta get
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: two more at that point it gets very dicey right
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: because it becomes you have to believe that.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Nebraska is doable and one of the southern and then
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: either south carolina or mississippi mississippi and yeah so that's
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: hard i you know it's funny everything has to go
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: right 54 and everything has to go wrong 54 feels
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: a lot more viable than 55.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: 54 is seven.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Yes. Yeah. 54 gets you those seven without touching South Carolina, Mississippi,
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: and Nebraska. And if one of those comes in, it
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: allows you to lose Maine. Or if that happens.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: That's right. It gives you a little wiggle room.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: I just, you know, my, I, I have a hard time. Look,
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: I think 52 is the, is, is right now the, Bullish,
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: most likely.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: The bull case, right.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: The bull probability case. 54 is the bull possibility case.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: I'm pulling this back up.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: And again, Chuck is talking Democratic seats, so that would
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: be 46, which is near Republicans, 48, which is the
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: number that is the highest probability right now. Right.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: So those are, and look, what you do is you, when,
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: One way to invest your money is you do 54
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: and then you pick one of those outlier three as
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: a long shot.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: And just do that separately.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: And every analysis I've seen indicates that probably the most
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: mispriced person is probably Annie Andrews. So let me just
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: quickly look at that. She's probably the most mispriced. Above
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: or below?
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Below. Below.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: That she's more mispriced than- 15. Yeah, 15. That she's
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: probably better. She's closer to a one in five.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: More of a, I would say like 25, right?
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd be in the 20 to 25 range. Yeah, okay.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: And here's another thing to think about on these cow
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: sheet things is study, there's always, you've got to be
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: on top of your investments, right? In order to pull
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: these off, you've got to know when to sell, right?
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Right. And you got to know one of the great
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: things about these prediction markets. You can sell when you want.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: I would if I were somebody wanting to do these investments,
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: I would study up on when the vote comes in,
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: because I could picture Andrews skyrocketing to a 45 percent
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: 30 minutes after polls close. Maybe it writes itself and
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: it goes back because you're going to have Democrats have
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: overperformed in the early vote all over. which means their
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: first drops are going to look better in a lot
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: of places. So look, if you're going to do this,
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: you just have to, you gotta, you can't. You gotta
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: be on top of it. You gotta be on top
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: of it. And once you've made money, you know, you
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: should probably cash your investment and not use it as
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: a lottery ticket. Like, remember, you can cash out any
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: time on election night yourself. And- You gotta, you know,
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: the people that end up making money on their investments
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: in politics are the people that don't wait for election calls.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: They're the people that get out of it before the
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: calls get made.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: Shout out to Kalshi.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: We appreciate always people who are willing to say we
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: think what they're doing is of value.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Thank you for that.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Chuck, I want to get into– and I'm going to
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: let you choose your own adventure. We're going to talk
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: about both of these, but I want you to– I
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: know you have strong feelings certainly about one of them,
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: and my guess is both. Do you want to talk
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: next about the fact that we still may publicly execute
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: someone online for anyone to see, or do you want
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: to talk about– Kimberly Guilfoyle, which one would you prefer
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: to start with? I mean, I think one matters more
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: than the other, but they're both revealing in their own way.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: Well, they are. Look, let's start with Guilfoyle, and I'll
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: tell you why I want to start with it, because-
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: You know, there's the stories are out. Marco Rubio and
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump are furious.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, Donald Trump is not happy about this.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: Not happy right now. It is true. Only Donald Trump
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: is allowed to profit off of the presidency. That's right.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: And get that publicity.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: That's right. It's funny to me, and I compare the–
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: there was this piece that the Journal did on Scott
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: Besson last week about all the staffers that he burns through.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: He's hard on the furniture. Hard and all this stuff,
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: and you're sitting there going, both the Guilfoyle story and
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: the Scott Besson story, they're not about Scott Besson and
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: Kimberly Guilfoyle. They're about how Donald Trump runs the government.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: And these are just monkey see, monkey do. Yep. Okay.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: It's like kids.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: They copy how adults behave.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: Scott Besson is managing the Treasury Department based on how
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: he thinks Trump wants him to. and what he can
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: get away with. Kimberly Guilfoyle looks at what he can do,
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: knows what the rules are, dated Donald Trump Jr., so
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: knows exactly all the different sleazebag ways that they've all
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: tried to trade off.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: They're monetizing their power.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: They're monetizing their fame and power and all of those stuff.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: She's monkey see, monkey do. So the idea that these
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: are stories that are revealing about Guilfoyle and Besson is...
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: basically sticking your head in the sand. These are stories
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: about Donald Trump and how he's changed the culture of
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: how politics is conducted at this moment. Now, I have
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: to tell you, and I mean, we have a lot
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: of work to do as a country if we want
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: to clean up our politics, but it begins with punishing
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: grifters on this. And I'm of two minds on this.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: Kimberly Guilfoyle's low-hanging fruit.
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: She is.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: And, you know, Bobby Kennedy Jr.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: They basically pushed her off to Greece.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, she's not in the inner circle.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I always thought that was a sort of
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: a way to buy her off so she didn't complain
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: about Don Jr. publicly.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: So that it was like they were already sort of
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: You know, this is the mob going, let's send Stallone
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: to Tulsa.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Totally.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: It's making sure they still have hooks in her.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Let's give them turf. So we'll give her
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: turf in Athens. But, you know, it's Greece. You know,
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: we got some friendlies over there. She can't do too
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: much harm. And so, you know, she immediately finds the
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: rich people of Greece. I mean, it's, you know, for
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: what it's worth, every bad story for Kimberly Guilfoyle is
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: not a good day for Gavin Newsom's presidential campaign, by
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: the way. Okay.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: And I don't think it, you know, I don't think
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: that ages well for him, but set that aside a second.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: I just think it's, you know, these are, I think
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: these stories, all they do is reinforce the idea of
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: Trump's just runs a corrupt It just runs a corrupt government.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Howard and I mean, we've seen all of these people.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Steve Witkoff's son is the head of World Liberty Financial
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: with Don Jr.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: Like it's it's all. And so you're sitting there and
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: you're like, oh, they're they're mad at Guilfoyle. Are they
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: mad that she was too shameless about it? Is that
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: what she got caught?
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: You got caught. Like what what is it that you're
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, it almost feels like they're going to sacrifice
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: her in order to prevent. people from looking into something else.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: And I would just caution people from getting too excited
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: about a small time operator when honestly, you know, now
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: there's another way to look at her. Now she's a
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: vulnerability for the Trump family because let's say she did
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: something illegal. She's got to get out of jail free
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: card if she chooses to use it.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: She knows a lot of stuff about that family.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: If whoever's investigating has enough leverage to make her flip
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: on them. And so I assume Trump does not fire
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: her for what I just said.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: To keep the leverage over her.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: They got to keep leverage over her. The minute they
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: let her go, she's a wild card. Um, it's like,
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: you know, look what they, I I'm sure he regrets
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: cutting Michael Cohen out.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Although Michael Cohen is somehow back, but you're right. It
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: caused a lot of agita in between.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: I was just going to say it cost a millions
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: of dollars and lots of problems.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Um, people keep asking me and I always say, if
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: people are asking me, I'm sure they're asking you, is
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Hegseth going.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: To get fired after the election?
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: And I always say, Hegseth would have been fired under
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: any normal circumstances a year ago and probably wouldn't have
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: even been nominated. But is this Hegseth, we're going to
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: execute Nidal Hasan publicly and then Trump being like, oh,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's a good idea. Is this
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: the last, last, last straw?
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: You know, everybody you talk to about this says the
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: uncomfortable nonversation. is Trump has a crush on Hegsath. And
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: some man crush, however you want to describe the crush. Yeah,
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: he kind of likes the manliness he represents. Whatever that is, okay?
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: I'll let everybody else's mind wander. Trust me. You know,
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: I know the YMCA- Just type it into the internet. Exactly.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: I know the YMCA crowd has their opinions about this.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: But Trump is like, you know, he's like blinded by
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Hegseth a little bit, you know, he's whatever it is.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: So I don't know what that means. It is funny how,
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: you know, I keep going back, like, are we, is
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: this a 2006 all over again? Because in 2006, Democrats,
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: you know, won the House back, won the Senate back,
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: picked up six Senate seats. And the result was the president,
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: you know, there was an unpopular war in the Middle
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: East and the president fires the defense secretary. Right. Like,
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: my God, are we literally just going to check the
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: box of everything that happened in 06 and in the
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: lame duck? Including in the aftermath.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: In the lame duck, are we going to fire the
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: defense secretary? One thing we know about Trump is he
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: doesn't back down from a fight. And look, I think
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: the likelihood of Hegseth getting impeached has gone up. I
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: don't know whether the odds went from 5% to 20%.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: But remember, first order of business, when that lame duck
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: comes back, is going to be dealing with these articles
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: of impeachment.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: I was going to say Tom Massey still has– it's
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: why the whole they're going to come back and vote
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: on the college sports thing was ridiculous.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: Because they would have to vote on this first.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: They have to vote on this first. And, you know,
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: I keep painting, there's a couple of scenarios out there
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: where you have some House Republicans who, where the YOLO
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: caucus is 50 deep and you're like, oh man, there's
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: a whole bunch of House Republicans that have decided they
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: want to get on some, they want to repair their
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: reputation and impeaching Pete Hegseth. Find a way to get away.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: There's a long way to do that. Yeah. Now, I
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: don't think Hegseth ever gets to trial. If he gets impeached,
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: I think Trump I think somebody gets home and says
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: you should just resign because if you really want to
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: relitigate the entire war in Iran in a Senate trial,
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: you don't. That doesn't seem. You don't want to do that.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: So like under normal circumstances. Yeah, I I, you know,
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: but I didn't think Hank Seth would make it through.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: I thought Tom Tillis had a was had a stiff
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: enough spine to. And Joni Ernst, I didn't think they'd
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: all fold, and they all folded. Yeah, they did. So
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: I don't want to assume that they all won't fold again.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: Can we talk about the non-politics of it, Chuck?
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: I do think we're at a 40% chance of him
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: not being defense secretary come January. Okay. And by the way,
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: one more thing. One more thing. A smart White House
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: fires Hegseth right after the election. And gets a Republican
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: Senate to confirm the new defense secretary before the new
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: Democratic Senate is sworn in.
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: If that is what happens. Can we just we always
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: talk politics and campaigns.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: I just I guess when I heard Hegsa say that,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: I was like, take it totally out from politics.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: I agree with everything that you've said.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Like, is that who we are?
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: Are we the Hunger Games?
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Are we the running man for people who are fans
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: of Stephen King and Arnold Schwarzenegger?
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: That's the reference I used on my podcast yesterday.
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: Running man.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: I kept thinking of that movie, Richard Dawson, where we
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: basically turned violence into a game show is the.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Premise of the movie.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Hunting people into a game show. And it was the
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: premise of the movie. And it was a bit dystopian.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: And it was meant to be dystopian. And yet here
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: we are. Here's– I look at it one other way, Chris.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: Imagine the circles you travel in where you think this
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: is a good idea. I know. I know. It is
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: scary that the Secretary of Defense has an information ecosystem
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: where he thinks this is a perfectly reasonable thing to
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: propose and to do. This is one hell of a
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: broken individual who has cocooned himself in the information ecosystem
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: And look, this guy Sean Parnell is pretty bad, too.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, he was, I believe, chased out of Pennsylvania
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: Republican politics.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, former Pennsylvania congressional candidate.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: Until MAGA resurrected him, right? Like MAGA has become this
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: outpost for those that were essentially evicted from polite Republican
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: society 15 years ago.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a Star Wars bar. The first campaign
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: was a total Star Wars cantina.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: And you have this group of people who have a vile–
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: view of the human species. I don't believe that the
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: Trump base hates human beings as much as Pete Hegseth
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: thinks they do. And that's where I think it's insulting.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: And this is where I think it could boomerang in
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: that I think a lot of people going, wait a minute.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: I think that there are plenty of rational Trump supporters
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: who go, wait a minute. I voted for Trump to,
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: you know, stick it to the elites. I voted to
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: Trump to disrupt what is this sort of academia, Ivy
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: League mindset, whether it's in, you know, there was a
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: lot of rational reasons to support Trump to sort of
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: reshuffle the deck in Washington in what is a good
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: and necessary way every now and then. I don't think
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: a majority of MAGA said, you know what we don't
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: have enough of? We don't have enough snuff films out
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: there about, you know, like I just, and so that's
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: where I keep coming to. This is who he thinks
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: is like, imagine him believing that his fellow man wants
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: to see this and should see this. I look at
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: him and Chris, he's a broke, this is a very
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: broken individual. This guy needs a lot of help. And
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: I say it not to be a snarky, smart ass. No,
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: you're not trying to be a dick. It's your honest opinion.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: I think if you are advocating this, you've got your
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: own mental health problems. And I'm sorry you're in charge
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: of the military. And if I had somebody serving, I
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: would try to get them out of the service because
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: I don't trust this man. And by the way, notice
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: what's happening inside the service. Nobody wants to be associated
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: with this. You have a bunch of soldiers going, I
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: don't want to be involved in this. You're going to
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: have a bunch of parents. I mean- This is, I
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: don't think it's going to happen. I think enough people
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: are getting to Trump. I think this is a Susie
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: Wiles jump on the grenade moment. Totally agree. And I
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: think that I don't think it put this fire out.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: But my God, well, how broken is this gentleman? I mean, Mr.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: Hegseth is just a mess.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: I don't think it will happen because I think Trump
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: will put the kibosh on it, but he will not
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: put the kibosh on it for the obvious moral reasons.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: He will put the kibosh on it because I think
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: people will come and tell him, The downside boomerang effect of, yes,
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: Nadal Hassan murdered 13 unarmed soldiers at Fort Hood, but
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: watching him be shot will have a sympathetic boomerang effect
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: that will work against this administration. And Trump's political lizard
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: brain mind will be like, well, we're not going to
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: risk that. Like, I don't think he's going to do
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: it because he thinks it's the wrong thing to do.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: I think he's going to do it because he's concerned
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: about that. I hate to be that cynical, but I
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: think that's probably the case.
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: How do I dissuade you? I mean, just look at
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: like I mean, right.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: Look at the last 12 years. Exactly.
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: I can't I can't. You know, we know that if
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: you want him to do the right thing, you can't
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: just tell him it's the right thing to do. You
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: have to incentivize Chuck to that point about context mattering.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: I want to do one more story that we don't
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: have all the information on, but It's the whole thing
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: about context mattering, which is the Department of Homeland Security
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: raided Ilhan Omar, the Minnesota Democratic Congresswoman's house. This is apparently,
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: according to the reporting that came out on Monday, this
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: is about the possibility that her father filled out immigration
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: papers wrong. We've known that they are looking into Ilhan
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Omar for a while now. the thing that is hard
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: for me is I don't know the facts of this,
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: but I know Jim Comey and the 86 thing, which
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: is ridiculous. The, the Letitia James thing that like Donald
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Trump has made it very clear. He wants to use
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: the elements of his criminal justice system to punish his enemies.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: So it is wrong to, I mean, this is the problem, right?
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: Like it's funny, you know, To do the search, they
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: had to get a judge to sign off.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: And trust me, they'd love to have, you know, gotten
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: into Comey's house or gotten into Brennan's house. And I
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: don't think they have.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: I don't think so. Just to sign off on that.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Or Letitia James, as far as I can tell.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: So, you know, the fact that they got a judge
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: and I'm not saying they couldn't judge shop and all
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: this stuff, but it's still a pretty high bar. I mean,
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: look at how little. So I don't want to presume.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: That's how I feel. That it's nothing. kangaroo court. The
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: problem is what Todd Blanch and Donald Trump have done
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: to the rule of law and Kash Patel, is that
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: these are very untrustworthy people who have pledged to politicize things.
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: In fact, Todd Blanch just changed the actual rules of
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: engagement on politics for the Justice Department so that he
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: didn't look like he was violating Justice Department rules. They just, oh,
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: I can't campaign? All right, let's change the rules so
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: that I can, rather than, so then he can claim, well,
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: he's abiding by Justice Department protocol. Yeah, because they changed
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: the protocol. But, you know, so the problem is you
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: don't trust anything they're doing. You assume everything is a
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: political motivation. By the way, when you do this less
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: than 30 days before an election, It looks even more suspicious.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: So I mean, it's a reason.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: They don't typically do these things before the election because
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: it's seen through that lens.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: I think that they've already screwed up there if they're actually.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: Here's the thing. I don't think they care if they.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: have evidence that can be used in a jury trial
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: because that's not the point. The point was just to
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: get the headline.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: It's the Comey thing. It's the Comey thing. Of course,
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: it's not going to stand up. You're going to make
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: his life a pain in the ass. It's going to
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: cost him money.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: Well, there's a little bit of that and there's a
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: little bit of just pleasing dear leader because they've not
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: been able to indict anybody. Joe DiGenova was willing to,
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: he's the meatloaf, he's one of the meatloaf guys, right?
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: I'll do anything for Trump, but I won't do that, right?
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: And he found is that, right? There's always this meatloaf
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: group that they'll do anything for Trump.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: I love that phrase.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: They won't do that. And there's, so this is a
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: point where they can, hey, look, see, we did this.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: The problem they got is, I mean, any half decent
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: lawyer can basically To have the evidence thrown out, they
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: did this– this was political targeting and it is not
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: going to be hard to make that case. But they're
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: not trying to make a case. That's right. They're trying
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: to make an example and they somehow think– and this
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: is where I go back to how I know that this–
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: We might be underestimating the size of this wave.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: They have nothing.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: So they're going back to every sort of culture or trick.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: This is where we talked started with Tallarico. Let's try this.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: Mental health.
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: Let's try. Hey, let's get the Somalian Muslim. Let's get her,
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: you know, and he's I mean, Ilhan Omar. has been
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: a punching bag for Donald Trump almost since the start
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: of his political career. Almost the start, that's right. This
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: era of his political career. By the way, to your point,
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: they're bringing back the caravan. There may be a caravan movie.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: It's all the, we're playing Hotel California.
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: Right, I mean, you know, and then he's, I see
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: what they're doing.
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: I just think that, you know, eventually lived experience, This
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: is the election where lived experience is going to trump
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: the alternative reality and alternative facts that they've been dining
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: out on for a decade.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: I was watching the Brewers-Dodgers game one. Great game. Man,
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: it's going to be a great series. have I ever
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: been when the nationals were not involved when I never
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: rooting interest, have I ever been as interested in one
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: series and as disinterested in another series?
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: So I don't care. I I'm sorry, Cleveland and Tampa fans.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: I do not.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: If the white socks are in it, I do not care.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Whereas the Dodgers brewer series, I will watch every single pitch.
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess that's the right now. The National League
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: is just that much better than the perceived wise than
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: the American League. And look, this happened during the heyday
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: of Yankees Red Sox.
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true.
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: Do you even remember? I think one year it was
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: Cardinals Rockies in the NLCS. And you're like, no one cares.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: Everybody's just it's who's the team that's going to go
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: lose to the Red Sox after the Red Sox pulled
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: the 4-3, you know. So we go through these periods,
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: you know, where you have just. an electric dynasty on
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: one side, right? It was the Yankees and the Red
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: Sox battling out for supremacy in the first decade. And
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: then you have this now, it's the Dodgers. And look,
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: the Astros were a compelling storyline during the teens in
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: the American League. So I just think it's one of,
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: look at the NBA. We've got a huge, look at like-
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: The West is right. Right, the West is like- At
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: least LeBron went to the Sixers because it was like
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: tilted like- All of a sudden, well, we first were
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: overdoing on the West. The West is basically four teams
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: and there's nobody that you feel like whoever's playing for
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: the fifth and sixth seed, they might have a chance
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: to break through the final four. But it's like the
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: top four have been the top four the last couple
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: of seasons, right? OKC, San Antonio, Minnesota, and Denver. And yeah,
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: I'm curious about Portland and I'm curious about Phoenix and
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: maybe the Lakers. But they're not going to get to
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: the finals. The East... You've got Tyrese Halliburton coming back.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: People came to forget about that. Like, you know, don't
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: forget the team that almost beat OKC's. They were in
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: the finals. They were in his seventh game. They were
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: going to win that sucker until he tore his Achilles, right?
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: Then you have the Knicks, which are just so compelling.
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: Kawhi back in Toronto. You've got the super team in Philadelphia.
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: Boston is who they are. Giannis in Miami. The Wizards
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: and the Hawks are both sort of like– Maybe. I
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: cannot wait.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: I already have October 21st, Wizards opening, home opener.
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: I will be there. Cleveland and Detroit. Detroit was the
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: one seed. And Cleveland was the one seed two years earlier.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: And the point is, the East is so deep. There
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: are going to be people, teams in the play-in that were,
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: I think, one of the one seeds from the last
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: two seasons might end up in the play-in. And that
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: is no disrespect to them. That's how deep the East
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: became versus the West, which is super top-heavy. And we
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: saw that in baseball. I mean, you basically had the Rays,
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: the Yankees, and everybody else. They were the Rays and
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: the Yankees. Two AL East teams. Right, and then everybody else.
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: We're seeing that in the NFC versus the AFC. The
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: NFC appears to be the three teams in the NFC West,
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: and then a whole bunch of others, teams four through 10,
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: are all jumbled up versus the AFC feels like you
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: kind of know who the six or seven teams are. Okay,
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: I got one more question. I'm going back to baseball.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: Because you watch more non-Nats probably than I do in
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: the regular season.
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I do, because I watch the Dodgers still at night.
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: Why are the Brewers so good? Because they were the
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: best team in baseball.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: And I know they have Mizorowski, and obviously I follow that.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: He throws 105. I get all that.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: And they won game one.
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: I don't totally understand it. They just trade there. They
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: know how to get off a talent a little bit
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: sooner than everybody else.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: So it's like the old Belichick Patriots.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: You trade a guy like right as he's crested.
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: There's a great article in The Athletic from about three
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: weeks ago. Okay. It happened to be about the Cincinnati Reds,
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: but the Reds owner was going, why can't we be
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: the Brewers? And so it became this whole thing about it.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: And it was like, when you read about what the
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: brewers are and what the Reds do, why do the Reds,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: who have had very similar success in their farm system,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: have really- And not a dissimilar market size. And you've got,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, Hunter Green, Chase Burns, Ellie De La Cruz.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: I was going to say Ellie De La Cruz, right?
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: Spencer Steer, Sal Stewart. They've had the same, Joey Votto, but-
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: And the basic distinction between the two is, you know,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: the Brewers knew when to trade Josh Hader, right? They
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: had Hader and they traded him while he was still
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: worth a lot, not a little. And they just get
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: rid of guys a year too soon. And the Reds
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: usually wait a year too late. And that's the, you know, look,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: the Rays do this too. The Rays- Very similar approach,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: you're right. And that's why they've always, you know, so
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: what they do is, they're always replenishing the farm system
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: with theirs. What they do is they, it's like the
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: second best, like, look, they decided to, Oh, look what
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: they did with Churio. They gave him a long-term deal
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: before he ever took a major league at bat. Now
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: that's a gamble, right? The Padres did the same thing
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: with Tatis. And then he had, you know, within a
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: year is suspended for a season for PEDs. So it's risky. Um,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: like the Nats did it with K-Bear Ruiz. And this
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: is the first year you felt like he finally played
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: to the contract. So I think that's everything I read
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: about the Brewers is simply, and it's, you know, they just,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: they're just, they just know when to get off of players.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: And the hater, hater's probably the best example.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: That's a great example.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: It's just a fascinating thing.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: I know you're a Dodgers. I know you're a Dodgers guy, but.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: And the Brewers are just, you know, they and I
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: love my favorite manager in baseball. He's great.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: Pat Murphy.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: I love this guy. They had a big argument the
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: other night. What was it that they were arguing about?
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: Last and that on that Monday on that Sunday night game. Oh,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: it was the balk that they called on Mizorowski.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: And, you know, it's interesting. He fakes the second, throws
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: the first, right?
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: Well, I understand why they called the balk. And I
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: think technically Murphy's right. It wasn't a balk. But it
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: was the way he stepped off the mound. I mean,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: and you can't review that.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: It's not a reviewable call because balks are somewhat subjective.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because I thought, what's his name? I thought
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: Vessia balked the next day where they picked the guy off.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: I thought that was a balk.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: And so it was because he had a weird way
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: that he stepped off the mound. By the way, my
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: son didn't believe me. I said, do you know Mizorowski's 6'7?
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: He goes, he's not 6'7. He is gigantic. But he
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: doesn't look it. They're both huge. But he doesn't look 6'7.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: It's weird.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: He does not look like somebody who could propel the
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: ball 105 miles an hour.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know what that looks like.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: So you're telling me that Jacob Mizorowski and James Wood
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: are the same height.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: I know. And it's hard to fathom.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: It's just crazy. Anyway, it's going to be a great series.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: I'm super psyched about it.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: Don't undersell. Look, I know you don't like. I have
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: to tell you, you want to see who the best
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: players on somebody else's team are going to be in
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: three years. Yeah, watch the Lakers. Watch the race.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: But I love me some Junior Caminero.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: He has two back-to-back 40 home run seasons.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: He's 23.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: That dude can match the baseball. He can rake it.
• 1:03:36
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• 1:03:38
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• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: Wait a minute. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I know what you're
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: trying to do. You're trying to do the wrap-up. How
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: are we not? We've got... We've got– what are we
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: going to do about the Commander's inability to win a
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: football game?
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: Oh, my.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: My son was at that game yesterday and he– on
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: Sunday and he was like, oh, my. As you know,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: I'm not a Commander's fan. No, me neither. So I just–
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: I always– you're like, man, how is Washington going to
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: blow this one, right? What a disaster.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, look.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: It was– I covered the spread. I had the Giants
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: and the– and I know the monkey. I always– I
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: usually always pick against the commanders so that the monkey
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: can pick. The monkey always picks the commanders. Reginald wants to–
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: he's a hometown guy. And so it always makes me
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: smile when I make the monkey lose on the commanders.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: You spank the monkey quite literally. But I mean– What
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: a disastrous law. A draw tie.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: Is Dan Quinn on the hot seat? Has to be.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: Has to be. Josh Harris, look. How do you not
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: manage the clock? How do you not.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: Make sure you tell Jaden Daniels 15 times, we don't
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: have any more timeouts? I mean.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: It cannot happen.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: I think that every team, because it happens all the time,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: should hire like a 25-year-old clock management person who literally
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: in the last two minutes is like.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: We need to do this. Can I just tell you,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: it's as if all I would love to see every
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: team do, high school, college, pro, 10 minutes every week,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: Your clock management study guide of the week. I just
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: don't know how you don't have it. Well, there's a difference.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: And I know this is weird. This is a case
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: where the couch... people are actually more knowledgeable about this
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: than those that are on the field, because we have
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: a different, we have the clock is always staring at us.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: When you're on the sidelines, you have to actively look
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: at the clock.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: You're managing everything. Do we have the right personnel in?
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: Do we have all we're looking at is there's five
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: seconds left.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: And I, you know, I know if I were a
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: head coach just every week, I would want the whole
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: team to just, you know, I would just have a
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: film guy put together the clock management sort of mistakes
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: of the week, you know, good clock management, bad clock
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: management of the week. Maybe it should be a new
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: thing on, um, on, um, Oh, on Scott Van Pelt's
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: set up. Yeah. You know, you do bad beats, great,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: you know, bad clock management. I saw somebody, I saw,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: it is amazing how many college football coaches Joe, are
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: so bad at this. So bad at when to call
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: timeouts and when not to do it.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: I like this proposal.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: I thought it was smart, like from a TV perspective,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: and I don't know who proposed it, but I saw
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: it on Twitter on Monday, which was just like all
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: these networks, employee rules, you know, a former referee to
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: come in, employ a clock person to be like, here's
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: what they did wrong.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: Like an analyst who just does clock. Yeah. Like it's
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: actually interesting because it's so critical.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: No, it is.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: Like it's... And it's, it just, it's- It's mind boggling.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: Those that are good at it never make a mistake.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: And those that aren't, I mean, it is just- Sean McVay. Well,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: it's like, and I have to say, LeFleur's good at it,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: not great at it. Boy, I have to tell you.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: It's the first time I have felt good about a
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: Packers game.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: They look good.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: Since Michael Parsons was healthy. They look good.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: That was an ass beating.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: I don't mind sticking it to loudmouth Ben Johnson. He's
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: got some beef with LeFleur that nobody knows what it's about.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: And like, dude, if you're going to talk smack, A,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: tell me what your narrative is. And look, are you
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: mad that LeFleur, what are you mad at? I know,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: Ben Johnson is a chesty guy.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: He's a little chesty.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: He's got like a lot of... I kind of like that,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: but well, it's good for the score.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: It's good drama.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: It's good content.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: I always default in front of content. I mean, there's
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: a times that I wish LaFleur were a little bit punchier.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: He's a little bit like he's a little too, too reserved.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: The beard is too well to Cincinnati, you know? Yes,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: that was an absolute. We had to do the commanders.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: I couldn't let that go.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: That was an absolute disaster. And they are now 1-3-1.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: And by the way, I wanted to look at this
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: up and I got to do this. I don't believe
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: teams that have a tie.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: During the regular season. ever win a Super Bowl. Because
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: it just, if you ended up in a tie, you're
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: an idiot team. You're somehow a dumbass team. I mean,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: ties are really hard.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: Scatterby fumbles at the 20 and then you're like, well,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: the commanders are going to win.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's a disaster on both ends, but worse
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: for the commanders. All right. This time I'm wrapping up
• 1:08:42
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  Speaker 2: good content.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: What about if you get that? Only the good content.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: The only good content.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: Only the good content.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: Dynastic, Chuck and J.A.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: Adande, sports, which I love, Everyone knows Chuck and I
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: are very into sports. Sports-oriented podcast. Also, check it out,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: Sports History.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: Love it. Stay tuned.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: In three weeks from today is election day. Chuck and
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: I will have some big announcements coming up in the
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: very near future.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: If you want to see us in person on election night,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: we will have a way to do it. You're going
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: to have your chance. You're going to have your chance.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: So stay tuned.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: We'll end on that teaser. You better get a ticket
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: to TCA. Hopefully next Tuesday, my voice isn't this bad.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: You need to recover in time. You know, look, I
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: know I got to rest. Hot water and lemon, brother.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: I know. You know what? It really works. I got
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: to do that. Actually, I may do that right now.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: It really works.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: Chuck Todd, Chris Loza. Everybody take care.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: Be well.