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Matt Carter Talks about Emery's New Album · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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  Speaker 1: I can't get the numbers to hit lost my job,
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  Speaker 1: told my dad to quit. I keep making all the
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  Speaker 1: same stupid mistakes you said.
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  Speaker 2: We've got Matt from Emery. It's been how many times now,
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  Speaker 2: like three.
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  Speaker 1: Or four times You've been on the prop of Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah a number of times at this point, and then
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  Speaker 2: we've even had uh Toby on it one at one
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  Speaker 2: point as well. So uh, anyway, UH just excited to
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  Speaker 2: always chat with you.
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  Speaker 3: Matt. You're always a good guy.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: I remember, I think it was just about a year
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  Speaker 2: ago when you guys were touring the question and uh
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  Speaker 2: even like got Colin and I like little backstage or
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  Speaker 2: not back backstage, but like guest passes or whatever to
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  Speaker 2: watch you guys play. I think that was actually at
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  Speaker 2: Turf Club if I remember right. But anyway, you're just
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  Speaker 2: always You're always a good guy. You're always a fun hang.
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  Speaker 2: So I didn't bring you on though to talk about
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  Speaker 2: the question, even though originally that that was the point
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  Speaker 2: was to chat about the legacy of the question. But
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  Speaker 2: Emery in less than a month now is going to
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  Speaker 2: be releasing a brand new album called Styrofoam, So stuckd
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  Speaker 2: about it. You just sent me some of the songs
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  Speaker 2: just a bit ago, and I was even like on
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  Speaker 2: my little car where my car read back home, I
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  Speaker 2: was listening to some and I'm like, there's definitely things
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  Speaker 2: to talk about here, so excited to chat with you
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  Speaker 2: all things styrofoam. But before we dive into the new album,
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  Speaker 2: how are you doing today.
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  Speaker 1: Matt, I'm doing great, and I'm always happy to talk
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  Speaker 1: about the legacy of the Question, and I'll just speak
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  Speaker 1: about that for a second. That you know, we spent
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  Speaker 1: the last year and something doing an anniversary of it.
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  Speaker 1: It was awesome, and that's a twenty year so it's
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  Speaker 1: like this thing that's been with us for twenty years.
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  Speaker 1: It's our crown jewel. We did the weeks in before that,
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  Speaker 1: of course, but there's something about doing the question and
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  Speaker 1: having it become twenty Spending the whole year during the
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  Speaker 1: touring cycle and getting our shit together to like do
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  Speaker 1: that well was a big important thing for Emory, since
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  Speaker 1: last time I talked to you was like, Okay, we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna do the Question, and we're gonna do this the
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  Speaker 1: best we can. We're gonna be our best selves to
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  Speaker 1: do this. And then by the end of it, we
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  Speaker 1: were you know, a new band, dialed and like focused,
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  Speaker 1: and we had our biggest ticket sales in you know,
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  Speaker 1: the last fifteen years, and finished that tour and it's
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  Speaker 1: just was like a super high super highlight and it
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  Speaker 1: had this feeling of completion, like we did the question
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  Speaker 1: for twenty years and put it to not to bed,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, like gave it its whole thing. We
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  Speaker 1: did the week's in, we did the question, and it's
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  Speaker 1: just like a huge milestone, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: to have completed something. There's something about even Emory that's
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  Speaker 1: completed and now what it now? It's like, okay, new record,
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  Speaker 1: tenth album. What is left for Emory in twenty twenty six?
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  Speaker 1: Not a nostalgia band? What are we now at the moment?
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  Speaker 2: Right? We've got to I would imagine, I mean, you
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  Speaker 2: look back in two thousand and four, two thousand and five,
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  Speaker 2: even two thousand and six, you know, in those first
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  Speaker 2: years of Weeks and in the question, I can't imagine
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  Speaker 2: that you guys were ever thinking twenty years from now,
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  Speaker 2: we're still going to be a band. We're gonna be
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  Speaker 2: playing these albums, like these songs. I can't imagine that
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  Speaker 2: twenty years ago you guys would have ever even conceived
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  Speaker 2: of that possibility.
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  Speaker 1: Not even close. Yeah, I mean at the time, you think, well,
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  Speaker 1: when we started Dimrie, we saw, Okay, we're gonna give
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  Speaker 1: this six months. That was two thousand and one, and
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  Speaker 1: then we extended that six months. So here we are.
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  Speaker 1: But you're thinking by the time you even do get
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  Speaker 1: a record and it's getting shipped out to stores and
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  Speaker 1: being printed on CD in two thousand and three, four five,
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  Speaker 1: you think that if you can just get some people
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  Speaker 1: to have the CD, that's all there is to do,
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  Speaker 1: and then it won't be available in stores in a
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  Speaker 1: few years anyway, like it won't. It'll just be out
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  Speaker 1: of print, and the band will you know, maybe you'll
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  Speaker 1: get to make a second record, maybe you'll get to
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  Speaker 1: make a third record, but that's crazy, and then it'll
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  Speaker 1: be gone anyway. And you wouldn't You wouldn't have thought
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  Speaker 1: at the time digital streaming, new life come around, reunions,
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  Speaker 1: anniversary tours, none of those things were even things because
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  Speaker 1: this that generation of the first DIY and indie and
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  Speaker 1: small label bands, none of them had gotten to those
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  Speaker 1: later points, right, none of them thought those later points
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  Speaker 1: were ever coming. Because you just know about you know,
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  Speaker 1: band sap two or three records at most.
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  Speaker 3: And to be honest, most never did.
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  Speaker 2: Like I mean, think about all the bands that over
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  Speaker 2: all the years that you guys have been touring, how
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  Speaker 2: many of those bands did get to the second third record?
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  Speaker 3: Probably very few.
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  Speaker 2: So like you guys were one of those few bands
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  Speaker 2: that were able to me in that way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you know, that's been our main thing is
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  Speaker 1: to be the smallest band that can survive. That's we
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  Speaker 1: The podcast was the same way. It's like the smallest
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  Speaker 1: one that can be real and sustained. Like that's our niche,
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  Speaker 1: like we can find a way to not stop, and
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  Speaker 1: everything else kind of comes out of that. But that's
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  Speaker 1: just us because you know, but it's not like you.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't a plan, is all I'm saying. It was
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  Speaker 1: discovered that, oh we don't have to stop, Oh there's
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  Speaker 1: more to do. Oh we could do. You know, it's
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  Speaker 1: just oh and then every day when somebody asked me.
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  Speaker 1: It happens almost every day, somebody goes, where are you from?
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  Speaker 1: And I say, oh, South Carolina because the way I talk.
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  Speaker 1: And then they'll say, oh, okay, so yeah, I moved
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  Speaker 1: here in two thousand and one they how'd you come
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  Speaker 1: out I moved in two thousand and one and start
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  Speaker 1: a band? And they're like, oh crazy, anyway, what do
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  Speaker 1: you do now? I go, I'm in that band. What
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  Speaker 1: do you mean like that? That doesn't make sense to me?
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  Speaker 1: Every day when I say it that I'm still doing that.
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  Speaker 3: You know, right right?
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  Speaker 1: Well?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah again.
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  Speaker 2: I would imagine when all you guys coming from South
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  Speaker 2: Carolina and you know, you pack those bags and you
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  Speaker 2: had literally quite literally across the entire country, what is
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  Speaker 2: that probably close to three thousand miles away? And I
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  Speaker 2: would imagine like your family, your friends, everybody was probably
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  Speaker 2: thinking like, okay, when is this phase going to end?
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  Speaker 2: And you're still in the face like the phase never
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  Speaker 2: actually this emo phase not only is it like it's
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  Speaker 2: something you love, but it actually is the thing that's
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  Speaker 2: like paying the bills, it's like what you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: how you're putting food on the table and a roof
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  Speaker 2: over your head.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And they didn't everybody when we told we were
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  Speaker 1: going to do that. They they didn't think you won't
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  Speaker 1: make it. They thought you won't even go Like all right,
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  Speaker 1: my girlfriend and dad, like I told him, we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: move to Seattle at the end of the summer and
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  Speaker 1: blah blah blahre like okay, like no you're not, We're going.
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  Speaker 1: My dad said, well somebody will back out that, you know, okay,
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  Speaker 1: And then we left and.
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  Speaker 3: Here you are, You're still there. It's just crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I just imagine like what that that time was like
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  Speaker 2: and how I mean mean, maybe there's probably even like
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  Speaker 2: a like some of the people that might have been
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  Speaker 2: doubting you at that time too. I would imagine like
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  Speaker 2: it feels sweet to kind of like look at your
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  Speaker 2: doubters and be like, you know what, we did prove
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  Speaker 2: you wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It wasn't like it's not wrong to doubt somebody
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  Speaker 1: that says they aren't don't even have a band and
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  Speaker 1: want to start a band. That to think that when
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  Speaker 1: it's not that odd to doubt that that would be successful,
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  Speaker 1: that's not really it. But the extremeness was saying we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna move away and start a band like as one
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  Speaker 1: thing that is something people aren't used to, but we
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  Speaker 1: you know. So it wasn't that I thought anybody should
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  Speaker 1: believe or understand exactly, So I don't have like prove
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  Speaker 1: people wrong energy exactly as motivation I wouldn't say, but
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  Speaker 1: it is nice when they It's nice that like if
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  Speaker 1: I reconnect with people that they you know, they admire,
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  Speaker 1: they respect and admire. Wow, y'all really did that, and
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  Speaker 1: I love that anyone, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't have to prove him wrong. It wasn't not
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  Speaker 1: that really, but.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense, that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: You mentioned that this last tour was maybe your largest,
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  Speaker 2: like you were selling the most tickets that you maybe
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  Speaker 2: you've you've sold in the band's history, which again is
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  Speaker 2: an impressive feat for a band that's over twenty you know,
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  Speaker 2: twenty almost twenty five years old. Yeah, basically twenty five
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  Speaker 2: years old now since it was like two thousand and
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  Speaker 2: one that you guys got started. So yeah, I'm I
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  Speaker 2: would imagine a lot of that has to do with
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  Speaker 2: the fact that it is the question obviously probably you
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  Speaker 2: guys's most at least best selling album, and so I
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  Speaker 2: would imagine a lot of it is that. But there
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  Speaker 2: is something to be said. I would imagine where.
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  Speaker 3: Like you guys have over all of these years just
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  Speaker 3: gotten better.
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  Speaker 2: You probably are better performers, and clearly there is like
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you would describe it this way,
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  Speaker 2: but some maybe type of cult following, like you said before,
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  Speaker 2: like you're probably at the smallest that you can be
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  Speaker 2: to be sustainable. And I would imagine a lot of
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  Speaker 2: that kind of artists that we like are that that
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  Speaker 2: are at that level where they're the smallest that is
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  Speaker 2: able to be sustainable. Those are typically artists that we
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  Speaker 2: would say have a cult following and love it.
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  Speaker 1: I love the term cult following and I like cults
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  Speaker 1: in general, and Emory is a is a very me
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  Speaker 1: but it's a very small, uh stable, long term, stable,
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  Speaker 1: small cult. That's it.
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  Speaker 3: That's what we well, So.
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  Speaker 1: We have obviously a cult following because I can't wait.
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  Speaker 2: I can't wait to see the like the Rise and
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  Speaker 2: Fall of of Emory.
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  Speaker 1: No, that's what I'm saying. It's not going to This
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  Speaker 1: is what I'm saying is we're doing it right.
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  Speaker 2: Oh Okay, you're like you're like you're the good soun
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  Speaker 2: in that way, like you figure you figured out the
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  Speaker 2: right cult.
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  Speaker 1: The good kind. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's only the it's only the rise belong
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  Speaker 2: to Netflix documentary.
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  Speaker 1: What so cults want to have the belonging and community
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  Speaker 1: and connection and doing good things for the world, like
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  Speaker 1: these are what cults are about, and we're just doing
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  Speaker 1: it right for many many years.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting, So like your kool Aid's like, actually, like the
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  Speaker 2: Fountain of Youth, isn't it.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's not. It's not that it's a it's a
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  Speaker 1: it's not magic. It's not crazy and it's not it's
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  Speaker 1: a very middle way. It's not nothing magical about other
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  Speaker 1: than the music is magic and everybody knows that. So
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  Speaker 1: you keep that music the main thing and it'll be okay.
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  Speaker 3: That that is fair. That is fair. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So with like you guys selling you know, as much
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  Speaker 2: as you you've ever sold before, it does it give
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  Speaker 2: this like kind of extra motivation of like we still
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  Speaker 2: like we still have it? And is that maybe part
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  Speaker 2: of the motivation to like want to make like a
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  Speaker 2: new album like you mentioned before, like you got to see, okay,
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  Speaker 2: we we did this sort of remembrance or celebration of
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  Speaker 2: this album that's twenty years old, and now we've got
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  Speaker 2: to figure out, like now we want to see what
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  Speaker 2: are we at? Where are we at in twenty twenty six?
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  Speaker 2: What like was part of the motivation when you see
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  Speaker 2: all these people singing along to these from twenty years ago,
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  Speaker 2: does it give you motivation of maybe we can make
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  Speaker 2: that kind of album again, Like maybe we can make
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  Speaker 2: those songs again.
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  Speaker 1: It's the motivation in some way is a very pure
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  Speaker 1: thing with music, and it kind of goes like up
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  Speaker 1: and down or in and out over the life cycle,
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  Speaker 1: where you know, before you're playing shows or have fans
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  Speaker 1: or anything, you're already trying to generate and make music
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  Speaker 1: because it's an automatic thing, like you hear it in
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  Speaker 1: your head or you noodle on the guitar like it.
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  Speaker 1: You're fundamentally chasing music to create It is more the
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  Speaker 1: thing than play shows in front of like chicks and
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  Speaker 1: sell t shirts is a second dairy thing. So the
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  Speaker 1: fundamental thing that draws you in the first place is
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  Speaker 1: get the guitar, get the drum set, get them in
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  Speaker 1: the same garage. Find somebody knows how to play a drum.
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  Speaker 1: Feel see if you can make the magic happen in
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  Speaker 1: the room. Is the fun mental thing, and touring performance
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  Speaker 1: takes that over, and performance is almost an enemy of
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  Speaker 1: that in a way because you get like attention and
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  Speaker 1: money and stay busy and it's not really so creative
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  Speaker 1: in that same way, So you're always kind of trying
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  Speaker 1: to balance those and you get so lost after you've
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  Speaker 1: put out music that you now you're aware of who
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  Speaker 1: people think you are, what you thought you were doing,
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  Speaker 1: and it becomes harder to reconnect to how do we
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  Speaker 1: do it in the first place? Do we need to
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  Speaker 1: write more songs like fractions? Yeah? And then all of
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: a sudden you're so that those things are really hard,
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: or you don't have any ideas, or you start to
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  Speaker 1: hate all this freaking noisy ass music and you just
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: want to listen to country or like something else other
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  Speaker 1: than I hate. You know, there's some periods where I
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  Speaker 1: hate music and then some perios where I get into somebody,
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  Speaker 1: you know. But how does a group care together to
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  Speaker 1: make new music where they all like and want the
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  Speaker 1: same thing? That usually goes haywire after at best a
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  Speaker 1: couple of records, you know, And sometimes you supposed to
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  Speaker 1: make another record and you just don't have anything. And
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  Speaker 1: sometimes you want to make a record and could, but
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  Speaker 1: you just don't have the energy and you're too busy,
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  Speaker 1: or it drags out, or you try to force it
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  Speaker 1: and it's not that great. And we had during the
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  Speaker 1: week's ending question, is such a nostalgic headspace. That it
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  Speaker 1: was like the lowest creatively we'd ever been. It sucked
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  Speaker 1: so bad because right there, because I remember, you just
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  Speaker 1: can't get anything going.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't you say that? Like a lot of the question
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  Speaker 3: was written like at the studio.
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  Speaker 1: Basically, Yeah, it came fast, it came in up. We
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  Speaker 1: had a month to prepare for it, in a month
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  Speaker 1: to record it, and it all came in that window
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  Speaker 1: and it was there, you know, it just was there
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  Speaker 1: and then sometimes you go try to force it and
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  Speaker 1: it's not there. But so really, there's a thing that
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  Speaker 1: I believe in very simply. That is, you know, inspiration.
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  Speaker 1: People use that word, but I think it's a real thing.
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  Speaker 1: You know. I think inspiration is you can make I
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  Speaker 1: can compose a song right now an hour if I
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  Speaker 1: have to, but I wouldn't. It won't be inspired because
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  Speaker 1: I'm not inspired. I'm just composing, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: And that I don't mean you can't compose a good
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  Speaker 1: song or get in a room with Nashville writers. They're
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  Speaker 1: gonna compose a song every hour, all day forever. But
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  Speaker 1: whether or not it's inspired or not, you can't control
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  Speaker 1: that exactly. So so and he can look a lot
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  Speaker 1: different ways, but I think it's I believe in it
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  Speaker 1: in some way that I call metaphysical. I don't have
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  Speaker 1: a better description than that, but it seems metaphysical to me.
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  Speaker 1: And we tried to write a bunch of stuff over
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  Speaker 1: times in those periods and couldn't get anything. And then
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  Speaker 1: at some point about a year ago last April, all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden, Toby just entered a mental space in
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  Speaker 1: which he was able to start accessing inspiration, and so
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  Speaker 1: he just started sending me just you know, these crazy things,
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  Speaker 1: just sending me crazy stuff thirty seconds forty five seconds,
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  Speaker 1: so stuff. Some of us feels like hook. Some of
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  Speaker 1: it it's like weird, but it just and they were
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what it is or how it fits together,
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  Speaker 1: or if I like it or not necessarily, but some
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  Speaker 1: of it makes you go whoa. But mainly it has
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  Speaker 1: this quality to it. You go, it's not something you
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  Speaker 1: would do on purpose. It's not something you say, I
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  Speaker 1: know what our next record should sound like, and then
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  Speaker 1: you begin it's not that it's like, I guess this
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  Speaker 1: is what's coming. How is okay? This is going to
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  Speaker 1: be fun to see what this wants to be so
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  Speaker 1: you get this distinct quality where what is this forty
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  Speaker 1: five second thing Toby's sending trying to be and he
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  Speaker 1: doesn't know, but there's something here now that we're have
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  Speaker 1: to work with and steward like a child or a
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  Speaker 1: baby or something. It's like, what is this thing coming
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: to be incubating or in a womb or something? And
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: you start to you then you can tend to that
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  Speaker 1: from there and you can't, I mean any he just
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  Speaker 1: had stuff, so he'd put on these sunglasses and grab
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  Speaker 1: a weird guitar and put his headphones on. Send me
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  Speaker 1: these videos and you can tell he's in character, like
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  Speaker 1: doing something, and it's just it's the best. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's very expressive because it'll make these video demos. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I can show something to people. I should show some
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  Speaker 1: to people once the records out, like what started and so,
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  Speaker 1: and the thing that's special about it is still there,
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: like it's not it's like right there the special things
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: right there, and now here's the finished song. And once
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: you get to that and there's a momentum with that,
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: it's just so fun. And that's what this record, you know,
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: was Toby really just hit a vein of inspiration and
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: the rest is sorting that out and just trying to
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: make it, figure out what it's trying to be.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, love that, love that. Yeah.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: So with that inspiration, like it reminds me of like
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: you just kind of have this like blank canvas and
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: even if you don't really have like you know, some
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: artists might come in seeing a blank canvas and they
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: already have like a sense of like what this canvas
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: will be completed, like what it will look like when
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: it's completed. But then some are just like they just
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: tric grab a brush and whatever is coming to them
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: is what comes to them. And it sounds like that's.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: A lot what that's what this? Yes, that's what this
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: is very much because he doesn't know what it is.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: He didn't decide that he found it came to him.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: He put, you know, got in a weird mood and
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: grabbed the guitar and did some stuff and then what
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: is this? You know, it's a surprise feeling.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: And I'm curiously for him, Like when he sends these
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: demos over to you guys, is he sort of looking
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: for like you all to maybe add your own brush
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: stroke to it or like or or is he sort
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: of what what is he doing? Like, what what do
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: you think he's trying to do when he sends those
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: videos to you?
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: And well, he's a not uh, he's not. There's not
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's a normal, but if there was,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: he wouldn't be it. He he doesn't finish anything. He
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: starts thinks. I mean, he didn't finish you know, anything.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: That's not really what he does in life. I mean,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: he can get stuff done, like do this, do this,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: so let's see if I can. It's a paradox because
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: if I tell him, hey, write five songs in the
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: next hour, he he can do that. But he and
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: they might be special, but he can put himself. He
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: can get something done, like it's like cut that grass
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: and give you five dollars. He'll just do He can
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: do that kind of thing, but he doesn't. He typically
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: when he does something that's creative or idea based, he's
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: looking to hand it off more or less. And then
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: after that the process is fighting about how it's not
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: what it should be, and then you ask him what
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: it was he thinking, But he doesn't have those answers either,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: and you just stay with that until you're done. Mm hmmm.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: So it's it's there's no at no point are their
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: concrete answers, and so it forces you to stay in
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: a perpetual state I say fighting. It's not fighting, but
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: you stay in a perpetual state of like, hold on,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: is my computer about to go off? I've got the
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: wrong charger. Hold On, I got my computer might be
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: about to die if I don't change the charger. Okay,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: that might save our life. Okay, it's the process. It's
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: he doesn't have some vision that he can hear in
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: his head completed that he's trying to get us to
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: get to and he's not exactly saying, do whatever you
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: want with this. I don't care. He goes, I know
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: what I'm feeling, and here's what came out. Now, can
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: y'all Is that enough for y'all to get it? And
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: then I hear something different or somebody else here's something different,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: or we start or I start shaping what really what
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: happens is I talk to him a lot and try
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: to understand what does this not not just what is
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: this video, but what is behind it? How are you feeling?
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Are those lyrics? Do they mean something? You know? I'm
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: doing that with That's what I do with you know
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: people is explore and figure out what is really going
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: on more than they might know, because people know more
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: than they are aware of, and so I kind of
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: explore that. And in these cases, he had a lot
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: of lyrics that were showing up and coming. So the
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: more the lyrics are developed, it's so much easier to
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: finish a song because like, oh, it's about this, it
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: feels this way. And the more you have the sets
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: of lyrics, the more you can go oh so verse chorus,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: like so if you have just a little tune and
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: a lot of lyrics, that's easy. Now I can jump
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: in and make it darker, happier, faster, slower, go to
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: a new section, repeat that, like those things will come
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: fast if you like, if I get involved, it'll I'll
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: start having impulses all over the place. And then Toby
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: will be like that's totally wrong. I'm like, is it
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: right and wrong? Or maybe where I'm going's good and
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: or he's like no, no, it's supposed to be like
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: you know, And then and then the but what does
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: that mean for the drums? What does that mean for
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: the you know? And it's just that's the process.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: It sounds like you are like the one that's like
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: really providing a lot of structure. Then like Toby maybe
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: has like these specific ideas, and then you're sort of
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: maybe the one that's piecing together a lot of these ideas.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Almost maybe like sounds a lot like maybe the difference
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: between like an author and an editor, Like the editor
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: of a book is going to be organizing all of
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: these different sections so that there's coherence, whereas maybe the
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: author is just like I've got all of these great ideas,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know how to get them all organized.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, and there's more to it than that, but that
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: is essentially right that there is like the inspiration and
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: the generative part, and then there's the clarity of that part.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: So it's editing or receiving or refining or absorbing or
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: witnessing stewarding part. But it's more dynamic than that in
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: that well. First of all, in Emory, there's been tons
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: of songs that might start a whole other way where
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: maybe I write them or compose them, and then he
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: writes lyrics or whatever. But in this particular case, he
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: had very the strongest he's ever had of this is
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: what's coming. It was the most and they weren't finished songs,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: but they were clear ideas with a tone and lyrics.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: So I made the decision early on. I don't need
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: to like start trying to write songs. I'm just gonna
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: work with Toby's material. But once you work with something
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: that's very unformed, you're not editing yet because you don't
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: know what it is. You're not editing yet exactly. You're exploring,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: you're pulling more out of and through that process you're shaping,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: and that's generative for me. So I'm not just sitting
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: here saying what is like. I'm as soon as I
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: hear anything, I already go, oh, I hear this. I
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: wanted to go here, this is what this like. I
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: get generative ideas in response to his inspiration. So now
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: I'm adding new things and also trying to shape it
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: and figure out what it is and ultimately translating is
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: what I would say. It's all kind of an editing function,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: but I'm now I'm trying to translate and bring in
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: the bass and the drums or whatever else and get
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: other people to see what I think Toby is seeing,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: or me and Toby are seeing, and then somebody else
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: might have a whole nother idea and then if Toby's
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: open to it, will you know. So there's generative things
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: that happen all the way through the chain. He's not
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: an authoritarian by any means, and lots of times he
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: has the idea and then just says whatever and then
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: just lets it go. And sometimes he should fight harder
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: than he does. Can be an issue for him. It's
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: like he you go, I guess, just do what you
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: want because I don't know how to tell you what
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: I think. And then maybe he doesn't even like it,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: but then you like, that sucks. But it's not like
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: he's supposed to tell everyboy what to do because he
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: does not know what the.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Drugs where there have there been any songs in like
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: the emory history where like he maybe didn't fight for it,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: like that idea in the song, or maybe the song
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: itself enough and then it turns out to be like
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: a really good like it's a song where you're like
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: all very happy about.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, I mean, all kinds of things happen, but
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: you never know what it would have been the other way,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: So you can't prove what was ever right or wrong,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: and you don't there's not right or wrong to it,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: but sometimes you can be quite surprised that sometimes you
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: can be quite surprised at what happens, Like yeah, for sure,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: I mean a lot of surprises.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Who knows, Like if you guys would have just stopped
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: listening to Toby altogether, you guys could be playing stadiums.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: But you know, we'll never know.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: It could be. But one of the results of this
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: process this time, which was so great is that it
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: was you know, Toby was more engaged through the process.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: And in fact, this record is a is a I
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: mean that was pretty much decided early on. Wait, it's like, oh,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: this is just like a Toby record, Like this is
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Toby centric record. That's the biggest difference that I think
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: people are going to say right away. They might say
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: there's not as much Devin or there's not as much
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: of this type of thing that y'all normally do. They
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: might say for good or bad, Oh, this is a
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: very Toby focused record. That was That is true. Mm hmmmm.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Are there albums where you would say, maybe like or
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: even like a fan or maybe even as a band,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: you would say, this is more of a Devon centric album.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Devn is less volume generative than Toby. So Devin tends
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: to write songs and go almost to completion by himself,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: including the drum arrangement and everything, and so he does
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: less amount of songs. So typically on an album or
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: live set, Devin will do about a third a cord
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: to a third of like the owning of the thing,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: the stage, the stage time of the song, the lyrics
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: or whatever, and Toby will be more like seventy five
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: percent or okay, sixty five percent.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: That's the normal devon'scause they're like, but Devon's pitching the
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: most complete games kind of.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Thing, That's right, That's right. Yeah, yeah, Toby doesn't almost
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: never finishes anything, and Devin almost finishes everything.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Interesting. Yea very very different in that way.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Then I'm curious, like just sound wise, obviously, there's so
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: many elements to this album that sound very emory, and
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: there are some moments where I'm like, it's either been
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: a while since I've heard this from memory or I
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: don't know if I've ever actually.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Heard this from memory.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Were there are moments when you like, again, I'm I'm
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: that's my perspective as a fan, but I'm curious for
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: you as like a band. Do you feel like there
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: were moments where, like, you know what, whether maybe it
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: was more of your part or Toby's part or somebody
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: else's part, but was there a moment where you or
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: maybe several moments where you're like, God, I don't know
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: if we've ever really done this before.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there's a range on this album of stuff
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: we haven't done. But you know, emory sound is all
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: over the place. We don't have a certain trip of song,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: so I know that on this there's I know what,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: there's less of there's less broken heart. It's not the vibe,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: there's less.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: Uh, it's less emo like emotional, and it's less technical
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: and it's less what's that word.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: It's not mathy, but it's less technical. It's less array,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: it's less polished, it's less technical, it's less less of
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: the doing all the difficult things, and more it's a
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: simpler and more punk.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: I was about to say, punk is what came to
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: mind for me right away.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: It's more punk and less what is that? You know?
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: It's like hyper arranged detailed, not this virtuoso stuff, but
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like complex arrangement, no simpler,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: more more aggressive, more youthful, less sappy. I think that's it.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: So some of that is beyond what we've done in
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: those ways before. Yes, some of it is you would
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: call new, even though our stuff's all over the place anyway.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: So totally, the first thing that came to mind, especially
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: when I was listening to a lot of like I
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: think you're right with, especially with the guitar riffs, like
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: the simplicity of a lot of them. Is the first
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: album sort of comparison that at least just came to
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: mind right away from me was like in Utero, like
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: in Nirvana, And because you know how like there was
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: that there was definitely like a shift that Nirvana did
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: from smells like teen teen Spirit to in Utero. And
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: my impression of in Utero has always been it it
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: sounds way more punk of an album, especially in comparison
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: to Teen Spirit, And so that's kind of the vibe
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: I'm getting too, where it feels like, yeah, some of
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: the less while Emery has always been really great at
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: a lot of the complex stuff, it kind of it
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: feels a little bit more stripped down from that. So
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: that was like the first thing that came to mind,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: just sound wise, Maybe maybe that and like, honestly, like
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: there's some moments right away that came to mind as
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: sort of like maybe old school Modest Mouse, like maybe
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: some of those indier moments of Modest Mouse that came
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: to mine a.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Little bit as well.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: So kind of felt like maybe a little bit of
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: like a mix of what you had heard from like
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: old school Modest Mouse and then maybe a little bit
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: of in Utero in Nirvana at least. Again, that's just
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: those were the sounds that were coming to mind right
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: away from me.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely has nineties things in it as far
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: as the approach of the recording. We recorded it in
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: a nineties style of doing recording in it.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: More so in what ways going back to analog.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Well, first of all, we didn't use a click you know,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: It's just we went to a real studio and tracked
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: drums where me and Toby and Dave and Chris, I mean,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Devon was in there, but Devon's like so I played
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: bass on the record, And so it was Toby's the
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: number one character on the record and Dave's the number
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: two character on the record. So most of this is
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: about which is way up for Dave as far as
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: influence is by far the most creative influence he's ever had,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: and it's great, and so it's about getting Dave to
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: feel confident that he knew the songs because Toby already
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: had vocals, which is such a delight, because what Dave
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: doesn't like is some mapped out thing where he doesn't
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: know the vocals yet because Toby han't written hm ye,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: because we're not doing vocals yet, and Dave has to
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: play the song or the song's over arranged by me
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: and Devin and he just has to play the parts
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: to a click in a studio and not know what
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: the song's gonna sound like yet. That's Dave's least favorite thing.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: But with the songs coming up front and the lyrics
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: being developed and then getting Dave really involved, that was
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: my number one priority is to get to David Toby.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: And then once Sprinkle said we should do it in
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: a big studio, we should not use a click, and
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: he got Dave to say yes to that, that became
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: really exciting, and so from that point on it was
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: like Toby finished the vocals, Okay, now we're in the studio,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: and how are we gonna get it to feel right?
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: How we're gonna get the takes in one take? How
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: are we gonna get the tempos right? And it's I'm
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: gonna play bass because I know the songs in and out,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: and Toby's gonna sing in the vocal booth as hard
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: as he can for real, and Dave's gonna play the drums,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: and so if the drums and the vocals, you can
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: feel the tempo in the vote, like Toby knows if
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: this feels faster or slow, and Dave knows if he's
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: if it feels good to him with as long as
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: he's queuing it on Toby's energy and Toby's really doing it,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: then you can't be I mean, it's not about playing
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: good or bad, it's about feeling it. And Dave's totally
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: good enough to do that if he knows what is happening,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: And that means every section of the song can doesn't matter
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: if the tempo earlier or later in the song is different,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter at all if Dave can play it
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: in a whole take and love the tap and the
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: singing's there the whole time, and then it's so easy
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: to figure out what guitar parts need to be there,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: not because I already have a scratch vocal with passion
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: is already there, so it's like, okay, the drums, the
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: structure of the song exists, the vocals are already delivered
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: with passion and developed lyrics, and the drums are banging. Okay,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: what's left to do? Like some distortion? Okay, play us,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: just play some guitar.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: And especially again, because a lot of it's so much
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: more stripped down where yeah, you're really you're just getting
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: like vocals, guitars, drums, like there's not much more to
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: this album than.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. So if you can get the bass,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: drums and vocals like happening in the room at the
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Nice studio for three days and you spend an hour,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: you spend an hour and a half on each song,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: like just make it until it feels perfect, and now
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: you play it and you play it again. Was that
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: the take? Let's try one more time? There? It is
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: moving on?
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: So, because I would imagine it probably didn't take that
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: long to record, especially if you came in kind of
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: knowing what the song's, how they were going to be
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: arranged and everything.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: We spent three days at London Bridge Studio, which is
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: like the like cool studio in Seattle, that Pearl Jam
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: and Allison Chains. It was gold records on the wall
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: and all that kind of place. But it's like eight
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: hundred bucks a day. We did it for three days
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: or something something like that and got all the guitar
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, the drums and scratch tracks done awesome, and
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: then we went to a Vashon Island into an airbnb
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: for ten days. Sprinkle lives on Vacheon, so he stayed
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: at home and we you know, got over there to
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: be all isolated, and we just set up in the
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: basement of that airbnb on Vasheon Island and just you know,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: did songs, like did two or three songs a day,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: like guitar, bass, drums, I mean guitar, guitar, bass, vocals,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: and just kind of ping ponged around like one song
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: at a time. So it felt felt good and we
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: knocked it out in another, you know, ten days or something.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: I then looked at liner notes on a Emory album
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: in a while, But when's the last time that Sprinkle's
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: been a part of an Emory album?
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: Is this something like pretty like obviously I know.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Those early years he was pretty involved, but yeah, when's
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: the last time Sprinkle's been involved with an Emory album.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: So he did the question and then he didn't do
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: I'm only a man. And then Shallow Seas is the
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: time Sprinkling I started working together like as where I
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: would engineer records and stuff for him. So I recorded,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: I've recorded the next two Shallow season. We do what
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: we want. I'd arrange and track and edit and get
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: them going, and then Sprinkle would maybe finish the songs
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: or track the vocals, and so we would. So we
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: got into that groove of making Emory and not Emory
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: records where I would handle the whole band and the tracking,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: and then he'll take it and do vocals and finish
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: the thing. And that's my favorite. That's the best, you know.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: So we did that on in Shallow Seas. We sail
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: and we do what we want, like I took him
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: as far as I wanted to, and then Sprinkle and
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: vocals finish it and polish it and send it to
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: mix or mix it. And then after that we haven't
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Sprinkle hadn't worked on any sense. We do what we want,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: and the only one he's produced all the way like
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: as the whole producer is the question and this one STYRIFULM.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, of course I did a lot, but we
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: were just working together, like I'm in the room with
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: the drums on the structure of the songs. But Sprinkle
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: tracked all the guitar. He sat there and got all
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: the guitar. He sat behind the computer with Chris, with Devin.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: You know, he was extremely fully hands on on this
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: one in a way that he wasn't even on the
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: question like Sprinkle huh. He completely handled this one, like
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There's a handoff for me
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: to him where I'm translating and getting everybody together. But
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: I didn't weigh in much. I had the least opinions
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: on the everything less than usual. So it's Sprinkle seeing it,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: feeling it and taking it to the house all you know,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: the guitar tracks. I didn't track any guitars.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: Oh wow, wow, you know what I mean.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, like I'm not saying he played all
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: the guitar. He played some, but sat behind the computer
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: and tracked all the guitars whoever was playing guitar or
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: whatever was happening. And he was hands on it like
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: each like the whole time, very present, and we were
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: all immersed in the same place together, so it was
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: it like he merges with our group pretty easy. So
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, it's really good.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah means yeah, y'all are Seattle people at this point
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: and obviously pretty familiar with each other. What's interesting you
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: mentioned that that, you know, Dave didn't have a click,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: And when I think of Sprinkle albums, especially maybe ten
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: fifteen years ago, they're all very well polished, Like there
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: was just something very well polished about every Sprinkle album.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: So to know that Dave was not playing with a
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: click or it was playing without a click, just feels
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: like a little like extra level of like punks that
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: like you don't really hear often in a Sprinkle album.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: So that's interesting that Sprinkle, you know, really had his
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: hands in this album. Given the fact that there is
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: kind of more of this. I don't know how you
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: would describe it other than like kind of more punk
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: way of recording, right, Yeah, it's just you know, I
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: don't know if that was challenging or not for him,
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: but I was just I find that interesting.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Well, his there's some misperceptions about him and his style,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: and that's typically the thing. It's like he's done so
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: many different things and like so many different things. But
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: the things that he did in a particular time two
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: thousand and three, four, five, six were so got so
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: popular and had a specific style and were polished that
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: he's known for that, but his range is way wider
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: than that, and that isn't his favorite way. And especially
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: as it became more widespread that things got polished and
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: more computerized whatever, he's like super rebellious against that now.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Like he's like he wants to make records with no computer,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Like he didn't want the computer involved anymore. That's like,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: you know, that's what he's not. He's not not used
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: the computer. I'm just saying he's trying to figure out
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: how to do the next his solo record on a
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: eight track machine or something, because to move that polished
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: thing is stupid right now. It might not have been
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: stupid then, but it is stupid now to be overly
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: polished or the perfect makes bet the world and you know.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Right, I bet he really respect the hell out of
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: the live album from a few years ago. Then.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just things that are raw and real and feel,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: you know, And he's able to craft those things because
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: he's made so many records that he other people might
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: need the tools and the slickness and the grid and
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: the whatever. And he, you know, he pushes himself the
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: opposite direct. He represents the opposite end of that spectrum
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: where you're like, wait, shouldn't we clean that up? He goes, No,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: it's so fun. Listen to that mistake. It's the best.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: I'll never fix it, is what he sounds like. I mean,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: the words like those you want to fix that mistake
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: is like never.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: That there were these moments.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Actually, that's interesting you bring that up, because there are
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: these moments in the songs that I was listening to
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: where there are these I don't know how to describe
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: them other than they're just like these elements that get
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: added to the songs that I've never heard, certainly from Emory.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Like there's a moment where Toby laughs in in one
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: of those earlier songs, like you just never would have
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: heard that, I think in an older you know, some
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: of the earlier albums from Emory. So there are those
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: like kind of moments. And certainly, like you said, like
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: there's kind of these sort of happy accidents, if you will,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: that happened throughout the album that add this again, this
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: level of punkness that again you just haven't really heard
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: from a lot of emory before.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like I'm not even saying it's
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: about this, but just look at the overarching where we're at.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: It's twenty twenty six. What is technology? Where is it going?
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: What is human? What is not human? Come on? Like
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: you know, like yeah, human right, right, idiots?
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Humans actually make weird.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: That like that's the value and it's going to continue
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: and increasingly so. I think. So if you could do
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: something weird or odd or funny or bizarre and you
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: can pull it off, that's what you should do. But yeah,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: like I love that Spike goes, he goes what okay,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: like in the middle of a song, Like that's so awesome.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Don't not do that?
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, Josh Gagan always did that in Chariot albums,
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: where like you'd hear these these like mistakes that were
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: recorded and it was like, well, how you got to
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: keep that in like that's out?
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure He's always had that awareness.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: I'd like to go back to you mentioned about how
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: especially for this album, like you know, there's maybe this
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: inspiration that happened for Toby at this specific moment, and
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: that's when a lot of these songs start to come
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: to life. And you guys are this is the tenth album.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: You've written hundreds of songs at this point, you're released
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: even hundreds of songs at this point. I'm curious, like,
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: does it ever feel like at any point do you
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: feel like, well, just at some point there's just not
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: gonna be any more inspiration for new Emory songs? Like
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: does it ever feel like that? Or is it just
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: like every few years it just comes around? And because
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: I mean basically you all have been pretty consistent about
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: every three to four years there's a new album that
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: comes out at least And does it ever feel like,
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: all right, at some point, this is the the fuel
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: is going to end, We're gonna run out, or does
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: it feel like I don't know, like maybe this just
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: could keep going until you guys are eighty years old, Like,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm just curious where that inspiration. How
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: do you think about the maybe the longevity of that inspiration.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: The activity of enjoying, discovering and cultivating ideas into music
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: is not going to stop inspiration in that metaphysical sense.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: I'm saying you can't control. You can work on the
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: conditions for, but you can't dictate that it happens. So
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: you can't say it will, but to want to have
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: some ideas are always going to show up for at
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: least Devin and Toby and I. And then you go,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: what should I do with it? And will anybody care?
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: And we have the resources and energy to I mean,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: the amount of energy and time and money and resources
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: that went into this album are very high. Like it
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: got it's a big deal for us because what else
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: is there to do but give it? You're all here.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: And if we never make another record, okay, Like that's
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: going into this one feels like that's like we're gonna
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: we put the weeks into bed, we put the question
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: to bid, what's left to do? We're gonna give it,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: this thing to everything, so don't skimp on, like make
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: this as good as we can do with what is here.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: And if we never make another record, okay, And will
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: we ever go through the whole process and put as
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: much into a record as we just did this one?
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Maybe not, probably not, I think not. But there's still
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: a ton of songs we didn't get to record, and
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Devin has this whole giant list of ideas that he
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: still wants to do, and Toby keeps sending me stuff
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: and I wanted to you know, there's never gonna be
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: a shortage of songs that you're sitting there going. I
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: hope I can get the time and energy and attention
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: of the whole band on this and it can get
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: mixed and then it can get out and then people
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: can hear that's not going to stop. But that doesn't
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: mean Emoryal stay a band. I'm just saying we have
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: ideas and playing music is fun. So that's never changed.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: I don't anticipate it will change. But is there resources
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: or audience? I don't know. Maybe not. That's they might
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: not like this one. I don't know.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think what's got to be encouraging for
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: you all though, is again, like you've been a band
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: for twenty five years and you just were on a tour,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: an album tour where you sold the most tickets you
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: ever have, and so like that's got to be exciting,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: and at least from my perspective, you guys have been
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: maybe one of the more active bands out there. I mean,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: you guys are still touring quite a bit, obviously the
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: new album's coming out, Like, it seems like there is
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: a lot of energy that's being pushed into the band
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: right now, and obviously that that can wax and wane,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: and it has already.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: Throughout you guys's career.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: There's been times where you tour a little bit more
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: and then times you tour less. There's times where you
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: take a little bit more of a break in times
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: that you're more active. So I would imagine that will
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: like continue to sort of ebb and flow. But it
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: seems like right now you guys are in this place
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: before there's a lot of energy. You just did a
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: long tour with the question, I'm sure you guys are
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: gonna be playing shows with this new album.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: You've got the new album coming out.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: Like there just seems to be a lot of energy
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: over this last like maybe a couple of years for Emory.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really lined up, you know, like I mean
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: if but in that way, yeah, I don't I think
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: anything's gonna stop fundamental because the fundamental thing is like
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: I was with Devn in my garage in nineteen ninety six,
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: that's thirty years ago and we're trying to get the
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: drums and get the something and then try to get
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: the speakers and put them in the trailer and go
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: to the party and play the songs and then see
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: if we could get a something. You know. But you're
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: getting together in the garage making the music and these
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: ideas you haven't had. What is this and you're doing that?
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: That's thirty years continuous with Devin And why would that stop?
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: I just don't see that stopping as far as the
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: fundamental of it, you know, And yes, right now is
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: this is a peak in a way. It's not like
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know if we're going to get bigger and
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: bigger and bigger from here, maybe, like why not? But
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: it's not even if we don't, that's okay. There'll still
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: be opportunities to do. We could decide to do a
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: farewell maybe, but that wouldn't still wouldn't stop the fundamental Actually,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: but right now is the highest possible energy because we'd
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: want to allow for the band to get bigger, but
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: it would need to get it would need to get
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: bigger too. It doesn't need the band would need to
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: get bigger or smaller. Now does that make sense either?
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: One's okay, but it'll either this will have been a peak,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: like we were saying about the question and the ticket
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: sales and the energy put in Toby's fifty, you know,
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: So we could slow down, or we could make a
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: record that matters enough to change the amount of tickets
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: we sell or money we make. But those are the
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: factor those are the factors. It'll be a very real
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: world set of calculations whether we do less than seventy
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: shows in the coming years, which I I don't want
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: to do seventy or eighty shows, but if there's enough
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: momentum pulling us, okay, maybe let's do it. Like that's
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: the everybody's like, if we can get more opportunities, this
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: is it. So we just did. We started saying yes
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: to more things because we're at this peak right now.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: So we did that tour, and then we just did
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: a month long tour with Amberlin as a support band,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: And a month is longer than we've been done a
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: single tour, and we almost never do support tours and
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: we almost never stay gone a month. So everybody said,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: let's we're going to do this and the record's not
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: even out yet. That was just kind of warming up,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: and then we got Warp Tours, we got Furnace Fest,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: we have Aftershock, we have Louder than Life, we have
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: the and then we got our dream, which is the
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Under Oath Tour. We need a big if we're gonna
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: put on a new album, we need a big tour
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: to be a support band on. So now we have
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: then define the Great Line twentieth anniversary. We get to like,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: that's perfect. So now we got the support tour. We
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: have some other cool stuff that might happen this year,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: and there's a big support tour that we want that
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: we might have in the spring. Sounds great, and then
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: we can headline it on the new record at the
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: end of next year. So the opportunities are here to
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: do things. Some of that pays less, but we're gonna
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: go sacrifice, you know what I mean, Like everybody's all
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: in on this record. The opportunities are here. Our stuff
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: is dialed, you know. And that doesn't mean it's going
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: to move the needle and put us in another stratosphere.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: But everybody's gonna give this all we've got and then
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: after that we'll evaluate. But it's gonna take till the
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: end of next year to even figure that out.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, yeah, for sure, that's awesome to me.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: It's exciting as a fan to see a band as
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: old as you guys are, as many albums in as
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: you guys are, to still have as much energy as
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: you all have for making new music and playing live music.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Like that's just that's exciting for me as a fan.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: I would again, I would imagine to some degree, that's
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: exciting for you all as a band. I'm sure being
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: away from home isn't always that great, but but again,
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: as a fan, to see a band still doing it
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: and still doing it just at a super high levels
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: is really cool to watch.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: It's a privilege, you know. It's like it's hard to
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: it's hard to make sense out of It's like, yeah,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: it's like I'm just doing what we've always done and
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: somehow still working and there's still potential in life and
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: it's the most fun thing and nobody thinks it would
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: ever work, and nobody thinks music is longevity, and nobody
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: thinks it's a real career. But everybody I know that
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: has any regular job changes jobs every couple of years,
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: so it changed fired laid off the new careers like
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know. We've been doing this for thirty so right,
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know anything different.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: That's awesome.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Let's uh so enough of that album, about the new album,
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: let's dive into I know at the top we were we
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: were talking about like, well, like we've always asked you,
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: kind of like maybe a different question, sort of the
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: ending kind of question.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: I did come up with one though. Okay, I think.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: Previously we've asked you your your top five most influential
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: I think we even talked about your guilty pleasure artists,
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: and then I think we even talked about artists on
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: paper you should like but don't and then vice versa.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: I did just think of one that I think would
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: be fun. Again.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Now that you guys have over one hundred recorded songs
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: released over many years, you.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: Got a lot of songs to choose from.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: So I'm curious, what are your top five favorite Emory songs?
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: Now?
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: Whether it's their favorite because you like to play them live,
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: or you just think they were well written, or there's
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: some story behind it that you just really love, whatever
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: it is, I'm just curious, what are those top five
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: favorite Emory songs.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna answer. I'm gonna define the answer by ones
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: that if people have not live. I'm not saying live
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: at all. I'm saying in the catalog songs where I
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: wish people would go to give undivided attention to and
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: deeply appreciate these five songs, so it'll be maybe like
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: not Walls. I mean, I'm not saying it's not the best.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, Okay, no reason for me to say that, right, right,
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: So I appreciate Walls in a ways my favorite Emory
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: song because it's done the most for me. But it's
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: got plenty of attention, so I'm more interested to try
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: to let me see I was thinking I could look
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: on the Spotify, but let me steal it from the top
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: of my head. Rock pebble Stone is one. That song
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: you Were Never Alone eight. That song is just one
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: of my favorites by a good amount. It's just beautiful
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: to me. I think that one should be paid attention to.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: I think there's one. Let's See Safe is on Eve.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Devin sings it, and it's every time we have opportunity
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: to play acoustic or not. It does it just does
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: something different. It says has its unique space where it
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: delivers something powerful. And emotional. It happens almost every single
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: time you play. It's like see you know, or if
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: you listen to it, But if you really take the
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: ride of it, there's a payoff to that song.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Especially with like where it can be played send an album,
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: like if if you got that like the high energy
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: stuff and then you like somehow transition into that like
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: kind of slower acoustic thing and then you like pick
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: that back up. I mean, even the way you guys did,
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: like the question uh to wur I forget what songs were,
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: Like a song acoustically, there's like a two or three
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: songs that Devin and Toby sing acoustically, and then and
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: then you go back out and then you guys are
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: just ripping it again, and it's just like that kind
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: of energy difference is just like, oh, there's something really
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: intoxicating to it.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, And and the one that comes back from
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: that is worth mentioning. And it's an odd one, Misbehavin. Like,
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: so we play I think on the question, we play
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: the Weakest and the Terrible Secret acoustic, and then we
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: come back on stage and play Misbehavin, which is an
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: upbeat song. It's a very odd arrangement but I love
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: that arrangement of that song. It's not a hit song,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: it's just a great arrangement if you just take, like,
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: just absorb what happens there. It's a non linear song,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: and it's maybe not the catchiest or something, but that
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: one I think is super super worth it. I think there,
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: let's see. I like the song world Away on I'm
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: Only a Man. It's another just I don't know what
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: kind of song that is, but only Emery would have it.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: It's another song Devin sings that I really like.
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: I don't think you might like Devin a little bit
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: more well.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: So he has these things that are just different, that
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: just are perfect, that are different then, and which is
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: what I'm trying to point out here, that I could
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: keep going with some of those. But there's a song
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: called What's It? Oh we Do what we Want? The
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: song the Curse of Perfect Days. I love that song,
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: and the lyrics are so good and the song is
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: so good. I just love that one, So I would
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: I would spend time with that one. How mean is
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: that four or three?
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: That sounds like four?
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna say one. I mean, I could
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: keep going with these offbeat songs. But also on Eve
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: is Streets of Gold. That's a different one too, But
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: it's just that's what those the songs really do, these
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: offbeat songs that have these unique musical things, but they
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: deliver emotionally something. Uh, you know, I like the songs
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: that are quirky musically and then they deliver some emotional
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: heaviness that you is deeper than you were expecting. It
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: just make I can feel it in my heart, you know,
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: and I like it just what it's like. Ah, it
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: just goes to one extra level of like painfully beautiful.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: That's my favorite.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: I was even this a little off topic here, but
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: I was thinking about, you know, like you mentioned some
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: of these songs from you know, like Eve and we
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: do what we want, those kind of those albums that
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: maybe I think at one point, maybe some people, maybe
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: even even maybe Emery fans even missed. What's interesting, like,
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: with this being your tenth album, you guys certainly could
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: even play sets where you play one song off of
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: each album and and like that could be a full
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: set in and of itself, Like you could you could
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: just miss like a lot of songs off like maybe
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: the more popular songs off of some other albums, because
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: if you just ever released so many albums now where
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: you could literally just probably almost play damn near a
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: whole set, especially a supporting set, where you're just really
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: playing ten songs and you just do one song and
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: album like that, That's that's how prolific you guys have
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: been at this point. I just I just think that's
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: really cool. I think Norma Jean's up there too, like
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: they've released like nine or ten albums, are about to
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: release ten something like that. So it's just it's cool
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: when there's bands that have released so many albums that
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: you know they they have to kind of actually get picky,
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: picky and choosy about what songs that are gonna play.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and over time, sometimes you go back.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: In some.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: It's like if I spend the time to go back
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: and listen to an album or a middle album, I'm
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: always nervous that it's not going to hold up or
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: I'll be embarrassed about it. And there's times where I
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: feel embarrassed about certain things we did or choices we made.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: And then with a little more perspective, when I go back,
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: I feel super good of how much things even in
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: the albums that maybe didn't get popular. I promise you
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: there is a lot of stuff in there that if
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: you go listen to it now, doesn't sound outdated. It
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: holds up. And the longer they go what holds up
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: is more more and more clear. And that is really, really,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: really satisfying too. And you know you have to prove
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: it with necessarily money or sales or even streams. Fans
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: can tell that get Emories, that Emory's DNA resonate with,
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: get it, and I get it, and there's certain things
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: that just hold up. And that's the best feeling in
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: the world. It's like I didn't maybe even understand that
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: the time what this was, and now here in hindsight, wow, cool,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: Like that's really something and that that's the best feeling.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: But you have to get distance from it for that
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: to know. It's like maybe that album was just fucked.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know what we were thinking.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you think that sometimes for a while, Yeah, yeah,
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: I mean I think even as a fan, I think
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: there's albums that have become one of some of my
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: favorite albums that maybe initially I just wasn't into. And
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: you know, again, it's one of those things where it
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: just slowly grows on you over time, whether it's because
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: of just maybe you enter into a new phase of
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: life or you experience something, or maybe it's even just
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: the sound itself, you just kind of end up finding
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: yourself really enjoying that sound. So yeah, yeah, I think honestly,
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: like bless a Mutter was like that for me early on,
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Like I just wasn't into that sound, and then it
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: just slowly grew on me and I was like, wait,
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: I get this now, this makes sense.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: Well. The distribution of how you discover music and how
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: old you are and what's online and how you find
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: it really winds up affecting things over time because you
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: and now it's harder than ever to get somebody to
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: pay attention to and listen to a whole album front
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: to back with deep attention, you know, instead of just
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: surface Like there's things that don't penetrate that you would
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: have to give a higher quality attention to for you
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: to get it. That doesn't happen or this record didn't
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: get a push or that now it's in Instagram fifteen
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: second clips, like how are you supposed to? You know,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: but it's like all I really our music is more
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: made for someone to really pay attention to Yes, you know,
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: the quality of attention paid pays more dividends for Emery
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: than some other bands. But you know, I wish we
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: had easier access, broader hooks, bigger songs to bring more
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: people in. But even that is so that the detailed things,
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: when you really pay attention, they can hit you more deeply.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: That is what is more what I care about.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's what you guys are skilled about, certainly,
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: So Coote, Well, what do you want to plug? Obviously
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: new album comes out August seventh. I don't obviously you
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: guys have the under Oath tour. I know there's some
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: festivals all of that, but yeah, what what do you
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: want to plug?
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. Just look at the festivals and shows
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: coming up. We have one of the singles out called Numbers,
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: the one that you said that has the topy laughing
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: and that thing, and it comes out on the seventeenth,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: so this might be up by then, or this probably
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: be up before anyway, July seventeenth that that song's called Stimulated,
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: and then the album will be out then if Emery
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: land people have it already, have a digital downloads and
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: vinyl in hand on the twentieth that you can start
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: to buy before it's on streaming platforms. And you know,
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: I'd be happiest if people would buy digital downloads. That's what,
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: not because it's going to turn into that much money.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: It's just I wanted to get it, take it off
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: of the platforms and have it and listen to it,
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: and do that before it's even on the PLATF. So
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: we'll have a few weeks where it's like, if you
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: want it, you can buy it, you can have it,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: you can feel like you own it. And then when
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: you pay attention to it, I think you'll get more
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: out of it. That's my preferred thing. And then of
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: course vinyl people, I love that because you know they
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: like it. It's physical and we make money on it or whatever.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: But the digital download is actually where what I want.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: And then of course I want people to discover it
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: on Spotify and stuff like that, but I would love
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: people spending time with it not on Spotify.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: Also, I love the album artwork too, It's so sick.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: Thank you Sprinkle did it. Sprinkle's the creative director of
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: the whole cycle, so all the stuff is his.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: I'd love the sort of like fifties horror vibe or
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that was what he was going for,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: but that's like definitely what I'm seeing and I find
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: it really sick.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got a lot of layers to it and
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: how you know, there's Yeah, the art is feeling really
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: really good, and I'm excited about that because it's connected
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: to the whole thing to have the because Sprinkle can
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: do that. So it's like instead of having to then
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: go try to explain it to some other person, it's
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: like it just comes out of the small group of
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: us and it feels right well.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: And then and then obviously the the Under Oath tour,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: you guys will be opening, be one of the supporting acts,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: and so there'll be that little small band under Oath
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: that you guys will be helping out.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, we're gonna play twenty five minutes an hour
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: after doors as the opener, and that's gonna be fun.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: We have done that forever. I hope people get there early,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: get there on time, so we don't play and we
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: need you to buy merch. You know, we don't. We're
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: the opener. We don't get paid that much. The merch
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: per head is what matters.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: That's right, that's right.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: Awesome, Well, Matt, thanks so much for hanging out. You're
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: always a blast to hang out with, and I just
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: always you are such like a thoughtful person, especially when
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: it comes to emory music. I just love like the
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: way I can just like see like the gears turning.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: When you talk about the way you like process and
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: think about your music and just the creativity of it.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: It's just like fun to to just talk with you
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: about it because there's so much thoughtfulness around it.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: So thanks so much you.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, you've literally made a career out of it,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: so I'm glad that you've thought about it once or twice.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: So uh, anyway, I'm just super grateful to hang out
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: with you. So yeah, I'll be seeing you guys out
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: on tour sometime soon
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: So just anytime, I'm always happy to hook you up.