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Christa Pike Awake, Speaking After Botched Execution, Shackled to Bed · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Tonight, the double-dose torture killer
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  Speaker 1: Krista Pike is alive. Not just alive, she is awake
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  Speaker 1: and speaking. After her botched execution, she is shackled to
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  Speaker 1: a bed. What's next? Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This
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  Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us.
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  Speaker 2: Krista Pike survives execution, keeping a piece of the victim's
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  Speaker 2: skull as a souvenir of murder.
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  Speaker 3: And then the curtains suddenly close and the media witnesses
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  Speaker 3: are confused because she's very much still alive.
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  Speaker 1: She was still continuously talking.
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  Speaker 4: What did she do?
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  Speaker 5: Screamed and screamed and screamed.
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  Speaker 6: I just kept hitting her and hitting.
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  Speaker 5: Her and hitting her.
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  Speaker 6: I was just looking at her and watching her bleed.
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  Speaker 6: She rolled up and.
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  Speaker 5: So she got up and tried to run again, and
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  Speaker 5: I cut her back. The big, long cut on her back.
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  Speaker 6: I don't want to hear you talking to me.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's harder to hurt somebody when they're talking
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  Speaker 1: to you, and you have to see who the person is.
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  Speaker 5: And I said, shut up. What the hell is wrong
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  Speaker 5: with me?
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  Speaker 6: What's wrong with her? What's wrong with everybody? And I
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  Speaker 6: still had a box cutter in my hand.
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  Speaker 5: And I cut it across the throat with it.
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  Speaker 8: It is therefore ordered that.
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  Speaker 9: You shall be put to death by electrocution in the.
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  Speaker 10: Manner prescribed by law.
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  Speaker 9: And that you shall be transferred to custody of the
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  Speaker 9: warden at the Tennessee Prison Police.
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  Speaker 4: And further, on the twelfth day of January, 1997, your
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  Speaker 4: body shall be subjected to shock by sufficient current of electricity.
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  Speaker 3: May God have mercy upon you.
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  Speaker 1: Mr.
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  Speaker 6: Bates, please hold.
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  Speaker 3: Me tight in the dark.
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  Speaker 5: Please hold me tight.
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  Speaker 1: I love you.
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  Speaker 3: I love you too.
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  Speaker 5: Mr.
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  Speaker 4: Bates, I love you too.
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  Speaker 1: Colleen will never hug her mother again. Her mother will
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  Speaker 1: never hold her teen girl in her arms again. Colleen
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  Speaker 1: was lured to a remote area. She was tortured, pentagrams
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  Speaker 1: cut into her skin, held down by this group of ghouls,
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  Speaker 1: including the defendant. When the victim, the teen girl, tried
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  Speaker 1: to run, she, Krista Pike, chased her and stabbed her
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  Speaker 1: brutally in the back with a meat cleaver bashed her
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  Speaker 1: head in with a chunk of asphalt so viciously with
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  Speaker 1: such velocity it was like a major league pitcher that
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  Speaker 1: Colleen's skull shattered and what did Pike do she salvaged
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  Speaker 1: a piece of Colleen's skull as a souvenir and showed
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  Speaker 1: it off to her ghoulish friends and danced a little
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  Speaker 1: jig around with the skull. But somehow tonight, the double-dose
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  Speaker 1: lethal injection survivor, Krista Pike, is alive and talking, coherent, cognizant,
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  Speaker 1: and the torture killer has somehow turned into the poster
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  Speaker 1: girl for anti-death penalties. That was from our friends at WBIR.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me right now, special guest, John North. Joining us,
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  Speaker 1: Adam Knoxville, senior investigative journalist, WBIR in Knoxville. He was
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  Speaker 1: there at the botched execution He's also spoken in depth
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  Speaker 1: to Colleen Slimmer's mother, Miss May Martinez. I mean, another
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  Speaker 1: chapter of hell for Colleen's mother. But first, John Nord,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us tonight. What happened? What
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  Speaker 1: did you see and hear in the death chamber?
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  Speaker 9: Well, I've been to a couple other executions here in Tennessee, Nancy,
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  Speaker 9: and I've seen them go the way they were supposed to.
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  Speaker 9: One was When we had the three drug cocktail, that
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  Speaker 9: one worked fine. The inmate was gone in about 20,
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  Speaker 9: 25 minutes. The other one was the electric chair. You
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  Speaker 9: know how quickly that works. It became pretty apparent within
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  Speaker 9: a few minutes, Nancy, that this was going wrong, that
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  Speaker 9: things were not happening the way they were supposed to.
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  Speaker 9: I was expectant that within, I don't know, five minutes,
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  Speaker 9: six minutes, seven minutes, she would have become unconscious, drifted off,
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  Speaker 9: and then all of her systems would start to go down.
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  Speaker 9: That's the way it was supposed to happen. Didn't happen
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  Speaker 9: that way at all. I was with, in the witness chamber,
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  Speaker 9: six other folks, journalists, many of whom had seen executions before.
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  Speaker 9: So most of us had been through this. Some had
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  Speaker 9: also witnessed a botched attempt in May. But essentially, what
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  Speaker 9: happened is that she never really went under with the
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  Speaker 9: first dose. She was talking, singing, chuckling. Believe me, I
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  Speaker 9: was astonished when we're 10 minutes in and she's moving
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  Speaker 9: her head and her foot is moving and she's still talking.
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  Speaker 9: She had a spiritual advisor who at the start was
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  Speaker 9: sort of her, what you thought to be blunt about
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  Speaker 9: it was sort of leading her down the path of
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  Speaker 9: what we thought would be a peaceful death, singing, kind
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  Speaker 9: of chanting, stroking her forehead, being with her, standing right
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  Speaker 9: next to her on the gurney. But it just continued
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  Speaker 9: like that. After the first dose, well, I should say
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  Speaker 9: about three, four, five minutes into it, she said, because
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  Speaker 9: we could all hear because the microphone was dangling from
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  Speaker 9: the ceiling near her and it was piped into the
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  Speaker 9: witness chamber. She said, have they started it yet? And
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  Speaker 9: I thought, oh yeah, they started it. You should be
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  Speaker 9: feeling the effects. But after the first dose, then abruptly
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  Speaker 9: the blinds come down, the advisor comes into the room
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  Speaker 9: with us. And I thought, huh, okay, maybe now this
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  Speaker 9: is where we kick into, if you will, the final phase.
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  Speaker 9: That didn't happen. I think they were administering the second dose.
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  Speaker 9: He stepped out from where he was with us in
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  Speaker 9: the darkened witness chamber. Somebody whispered, the clergy needs to
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  Speaker 9: come back in. That referenced him. He goes a couple
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  Speaker 9: doors down. I can hear the doors clanging and opening.
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  Speaker 9: Blinds come back up. There he is standing again by
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  Speaker 9: her side. And she's snoring at this point. And I
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  Speaker 9: was aware that that is a step that inmates may
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  Speaker 9: experience or anybody who has a serious dose of pentobarbital.
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  Speaker 9: But then she would kind of, her breathing would be
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  Speaker 9: kind of quiet. Then we come back to snoring. Every
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  Speaker 9: once in a while, there was an involuntary noise. I'm
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  Speaker 9: not going to go minute by minute through it with you.
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  Speaker 9: You get the idea. But that continued off and on.
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  Speaker 9: with the snoring, sleeping, whatever, till 8.05. They clearly were
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  Speaker 9: administering a second dose, and at 8.05, the blinds came
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  Speaker 9: down again, and that was it for us. We never
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  Speaker 9: saw again whatever was happening. We could hear her very
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  Speaker 9: loudly and clearly, wheezing, snoring, all of that. We didn't
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  Speaker 9: see what was going on in the last 15 minutes,
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  Speaker 9: I would guess. Believe it or not, her breathing kind
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  Speaker 9: of got a little bit more regular, and at least
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  Speaker 9: the thought hit me, I think she's kind of rallying.
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  Speaker 5: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: John North, joining us out of Knoxville in the death
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  Speaker 1: chamber when Pike's two unsuccessful attempts at lethal injection occurred.
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  Speaker 1: I was speaking to a lot of viewers and listeners yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: And they want to know, how does it work? You
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  Speaker 1: mentioned blinds going up and down. I know you could
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  Speaker 1: see her because you stated her head was moving and
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  Speaker 1: her foot was fluttering. How did the blinds work? And
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  Speaker 1: what did you see? I heard a lot of what
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  Speaker 1: you heard. And I'm trying to decipher it and figure
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  Speaker 1: out what does it mean in relation to this brand
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  Speaker 1: new lawsuit that Pike has just filed against Jonathan Scrametti,
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  Speaker 1: the Tennessee Attorney General. That said, what did you see?
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  Speaker 9: We're led into the witness chamber at about 6.42, 6.43,
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  Speaker 9: somewhere in there. A prison officer had said, we're going
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  Speaker 9: to have the lights on for you, and then they're
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  Speaker 9: going to go off. And essentially, that's a signal that
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  Speaker 9: we're about to start when the lights go off. And
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  Speaker 9: he said, your eyes will adjust. We're sitting in a
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  Speaker 9: room with about three rows of chairs. I'm in the
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  Speaker 9: front row on the left-hand side. There's a door that
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  Speaker 9: I believe leads straight into the execution chamber in front
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  Speaker 9: of me to the left. There are four windows, four
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  Speaker 9: panels of glass. They've got reflective film on them, something
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  Speaker 9: like that. So while we're sitting there with the lights on,
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  Speaker 9: we can only see ourselves. But you asked what's happening.
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  Speaker 9: For roughly 45 minutes while we're in that room, they're
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  Speaker 9: prepping her.
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  Speaker 11: We can hear it.
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  Speaker 9: I can hear under the door sounds of paper rattling,
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  Speaker 9: like tape unspooling. I can hear something that sounds like
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  Speaker 9: a chair rolling around. I can hear her whimper a
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  Speaker 9: time or two. That's all with the blinds down then
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  Speaker 9: the lights go off, and that's a signal to us that, okay,
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  Speaker 9: now it's about to happen. Blinds come up, 7.27 p.m.,
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  Speaker 9: and you know this. This is standard procedure. The warden
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  Speaker 9: is sitting, I can see, through the glass, right pretty
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  Speaker 9: close to me over here. Krista's in the back of
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  Speaker 9: the room, diagonal to us on a gurney, strapped down
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  Speaker 9: with the advisor next to her, and the warden says,
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  Speaker 9: do you have any last words? She says, yes, I do.
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  Speaker 9: She proceeds to tell people that she's going out of
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  Speaker 9: this world the way that she lived in it which
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  Speaker 9: was with love for the people who she knew hated
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  Speaker 9: her as well as those who loved her and she
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  Speaker 9: said essentially said maybe especially for the people who hated
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  Speaker 9: her did she offer love and she said i'm at
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  Speaker 9: peace i'm ready to go so that's kind of how
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  Speaker 9: it all started out at 727 with her offering uh
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  Speaker 9: final words.
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  Speaker 1: At this hour, Krista Pike alive. She is off the ventilator.
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  Speaker 1: She is speaking. She is alert. She is cognizant, recalls
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  Speaker 1: her name, has memories of being in the hospital after
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  Speaker 1: surviving the two botched lethal injections. What does it mean?
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  Speaker 1: The memories of the hospital, but no memory of the
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  Speaker 1: execution attempts. Pike is able to communicate. She had a
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  Speaker 1: very close guess at the date. She thought it was
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  Speaker 1: the end of September. She's been off the ventilator for
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  Speaker 1: some time now after being intubated at the hospital. This
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  Speaker 1: is after two doses, lethal doses, of pentobarbital using at
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  Speaker 1: least seven needles. One of them came out of her
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  Speaker 1: arm bent at a 90-degree angle, and somehow she is
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  Speaker 1: now the poster girl for... anti-death penalty. In all of this, somehow,
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  Speaker 1: Colleen Slimmer and what was done to her has been
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  Speaker 1: totally obscured. I heard stated just then that everyone thought
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  Speaker 1: that Krista Pike was going to have a peaceful But
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  Speaker 1: Dave Mack, joining us, Crime Stories investigative reporter, that's not
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  Speaker 1: what Colleen Slimmer endured before her death.
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  Speaker 5: Did she? No, Nancy, what happened to Colleen Slimmer goes
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  Speaker 5: beyond what any of us could even imagine.
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  Speaker 11: Now, she was lured to her death.
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  Speaker 5: There had been a time where Krista Pike had been terrorizing,
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  Speaker 5: had been bullying Slimmer for some time.
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  Speaker 11: And she lures her out that night.
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  Speaker 5: By telling her, you know what, we're going to make amends,
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  Speaker 5: we're going to put all this behind us, and we're
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  Speaker 5: going to be best buddies.
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  Speaker 11: And so as Colleen Slimmer is walking.
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  Speaker 5: With Pike and with Tadaryl and with Shadola, she thinks,
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  Speaker 5: putting all the bad behind, and it's going to be
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  Speaker 5: great from here on out. And once they got here
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  Speaker 5: to an isolated area, The terrorization turned into violence. And Nancy,
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  Speaker 5: we've got a box cutter used to slice Colleen. We've
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  Speaker 5: got the cleaver, a small cleaver used to hack at her.
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  Speaker 5: The pentagrams, there were two. One stretched into her chest
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  Speaker 5: and then her head. And so the damage that was
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  Speaker 5: done to Colleen Slimmer's head goes beyond anything we can imagine.
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  Speaker 5: Her skull was crushed, and Krista Pike got a piece
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  Speaker 5: of that skull and held it as a souvenir and
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  Speaker 5: showed it off to others later, almost as.
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  Speaker 11: A threat and as a joyful experience for her to remember.
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  Speaker 5: By the way, something that continues to mortify Colleen Slimmer's
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  Speaker 5: mother is getting all of the pieces of her daughter's
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  Speaker 5: shattered skull so it can be put to rest. That's
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  Speaker 5: what happened to Colleen Slimmer, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan joining us, Professor of Forensics, Jacksonville State University.
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  Speaker 1: He is a star of Body Bags with Joe Scott
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  Speaker 1: Morgan on YouTube. He is a death investigator that has
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  Speaker 1: conducted over 10,000 death investigations. Joe Scott, did you know
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  Speaker 1: that Colleen, Colleen Slimmer, the victim in this scenario, had
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  Speaker 1: over 300 slices to her body including being hewn h-e-w-n
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  Speaker 1: hewn in the back with a meat cleaver her skull
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  Speaker 1: bashed in with a chunk of asphalt what happened to
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  Speaker 1: the victim because all i'm hearing about is what's happening
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  Speaker 1: to krista pike who is alive and well cognizant and
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  Speaker 1: speaking clearly well enough to file this lawsuit I've got
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  Speaker 1: in my hands.
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  Speaker 8: Let's just say this plainly. The perpetrators in this case,
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  Speaker 8: chief among them is going to be Pike. They should
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  Speaker 8: have prepared. This is not like something where, you know,
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  Speaker 8: we're going to arbitrarily find a box cutter on the
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  Speaker 8: ground or find a meat cleaver on the ground. No,
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  Speaker 8: they showed up with this. And back to what David
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  Speaker 8: said regarding the luring. to bring her back to this isolated,
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  Speaker 8: abandoned area where they could do this for her. And Nancy,
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  Speaker 8: you know, part of this, and I know that it's
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  Speaker 8: very horrific relative to the physical, but, you know, you
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  Speaker 8: had taunting that was going on with her where they're
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  Speaker 8: terrorizing her, threatening her with death, not showing any kind
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  Speaker 8: of mercy on any level whatsoever when they kind of
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  Speaker 8: laid hands on her and began to attack her. And
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  Speaker 8: here's one of the things that has stuck with me.
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  Speaker 8: When she would not die, when she would not die,
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  Speaker 8: and I'm going to say this very plainly, so hold
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  Speaker 8: your ears. When she did not die, Pike is alleged
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  Speaker 8: to have said, the bitch won't die. The bitch won't die.
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  Speaker 8: And so it's at this point that you know, she
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  Speaker 8: also states, I want to see brains flow. So with that,
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  Speaker 8: a piece of asphalt is then taken, this dirty, filthy,
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  Speaker 8: ragged chunk of asphalt, and she is struck in the
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  Speaker 8: skull multiple times. There's a classic image of my old
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  Speaker 8: friend Murray Marks that's sitting on the stand there in Knoxville,
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  Speaker 8: and he has her skull there, and he's showing it,
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  Speaker 8: and it is fractured in so many areas. And this
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  Speaker 8: piece that Dave had referred to is kind of in
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  Speaker 8: the parietal occipital area. That was actually removed at the scene.
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  Speaker 8: And this is what she was celebrating, you know, when
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  Speaker 8: she goes to, I think it was to lunch or
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  Speaker 8: something the next day, and she's displaying this. And, you know,
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  Speaker 8: and it is truly a trophy. Nancy. It is truly
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  Speaker 8: a trophy. It ranks right up there with stuff that
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  Speaker 8: Dahmer did. You know, I think that people want to
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  Speaker 8: separate this kind of evil, perhaps, but it's just equally
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  Speaker 8: as evil. You know, this poor girl had done nothing
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  Speaker 8: to anyone, was tortured, terrorized, and then literally obliterated. Her
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  Speaker 8: head was obliterated back there in that filthy, filthy surface
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  Speaker 8: back there in the ag area at UT.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Another special guest joining us
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  Speaker 1: tonight in the aftermath of a double botched lethal injection
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  Speaker 1: of Krista Pike. Convicted torture killer of a teen girl
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  Speaker 1: has been behind bars 31 years as the appellate process
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  Speaker 1: grinded to an end. Phil Keith was the chief of
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  Speaker 1: police in Knoxville At the time, Colleen was slaughtered when
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  Speaker 1: she begged for Pike and her cohort to let her live.
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  Speaker 1: They did not. What do you recall happened, Field Keith?
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  Speaker 1: What did you learn about the murder?
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  Speaker 10: Well, the crime scene was gruesome. It's one thing to
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  Speaker 10: look at a picture. It's another thing to be at
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  Speaker 10: the crime scene, see what the medical examiner was doing
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  Speaker 10: to extract facts. And there's been a lot of discussion,
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  Speaker 10: as you've mentioned, making Krista Pike almost a poster child
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  Speaker 10: for whatever cause. Our local media refers to her as
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  Speaker 10: Krista Gail Pike. They never mention Slimmer, or if they do,
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  Speaker 10: it's Sparing. So there's so many dynamics that go on.
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  Speaker 10: and these kind of issues, particularly with the victim family.
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  Speaker 10: They have to navigate a very complex criminal justice system.
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  Speaker 10: They're not often informed. I ran victim roundtables for the
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  Speaker 10: Department of Justice for better than 12 years, and the
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  Speaker 10: message that came out every time was the gruesome details
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  Speaker 10: that they would have to experience and the inconsistent messages
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  Speaker 10: they received either from the prosecutors or from other sources.
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  Speaker 10: So what Colleen's family has had to go through for
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  Speaker 10: 31 years starts with the first notice of death. The
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  Speaker 10: last conversation her mother had with Colleen was actually the
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  Speaker 10: night that she was taken. She mentioned to her mother
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  Speaker 10: that she was having trouble with a couple of students,
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  Speaker 10: and then the facts start to unfold. She's lured away.
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  Speaker 10: As soon as they get over that remote area of
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  Speaker 10: the University of Tennessee Ag Campus, there was a hard
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  Speaker 10: concrete pad, and Pike immediately grabbed her by the head
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  Speaker 10: of the hair, drove her head into her knee, and
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  Speaker 10: the assault began, and she had assistants from SHIP, who
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  Speaker 10: was 17 at the time, very much playing a role
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  Speaker 10: in the attack and the torture. He's the one that
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  Speaker 10: actually carved the pentagram. There's been a mention of a
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  Speaker 10: second one, but there's no record of that in the
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  Speaker 10: medical examiner's report. Sandra Elkins, who was a medical examiner
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  Speaker 10: at the time, said that the cuts were so multiple
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  Speaker 10: she quit counting But just going through, watching parts of
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  Speaker 10: the investigation unfold with the investigator interviewing Pike and Shipp,
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  Speaker 10: there's just clearly no remorse. Pike planned this on the 11th.
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  Speaker 10: She told a friend at Job Corps that she intended
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  Speaker 10: to kill Pike, I mean, kill Colleen. You know... after
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  Speaker 10: she came back, as you've mentioned already, she took a
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  Speaker 10: piece of calling still as a souvenir and bragged about
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  Speaker 10: it that night actually. And then the next day, um,
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  Speaker 10: and then she was interviewed, uh, first Pike was interviewed
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  Speaker 10: first on the, I think it was the 14th by
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  Speaker 10: Randy York. And I watched part of that interview, uh,
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  Speaker 10: as well as his ships interview that what struck me
• 23:03
  Speaker 10: about the, lack of remorse, particularly with Shipp, he actually
• 23:07
  Speaker 10: fell asleep during the interview. When the officers went to
• 23:12
  Speaker 10: arrest him at Job Corps, he was found asleep. So
• 23:16
  Speaker 10: there's just no indication of any kind of remorse.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: When Colleen fell to the ground after being hit in
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: the head the second time, Pike continued to beat her
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: with a chunk of asphalt and stated she could hear
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Colleen breathing blood in and out and could see Colleen jerking.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Her words, not mine. But Pike continued to hit her
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: and hit her and hit her. Krista got down in
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Colleen's face and yelled, Colleen, do you know who's doing
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: this to you? The victim only responded with groans. Krista
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Pike and her cohort grabbed Colleen's feet and dragged her
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: still alive to an area near trees threw on a
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: pile of dirt and trash later telling detectives the whole
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: thing took what about an hour she removed the bandana
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: from her own hair and tied it around Colleen's mouth
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: to prevent her from talking it's overwhelming picking up a
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: piece of Colleen's skull and putting it in her pocket
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: as a trophy proof She was the one to kill Colleen. What,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Phil Keith, was the motive for murder?
• 24:41
  Speaker 10: Well, she conjured up the story that it was a
• 24:45
  Speaker 10: love triangle, and that's what we believed initially. But there
• 24:49
  Speaker 10: was nothing to provide proof that that was actually existing.
• 24:55
  Speaker 10: I mean, Colleen was basically a naive, pleasant, easygoing woman
• 25:01
  Speaker 10: young 19-year-old who'd worked with her mother at daycare and
• 25:06
  Speaker 10: been involved in helping children with disabilities. And by all descriptions,
• 25:11
  Speaker 10: she didn't have a vicious bone in her body. So
• 25:14
  Speaker 10: Pike conjured up the story about Colleen standing over with
• 25:20
  Speaker 10: a box cutter, the love triangle. And Shipp, in his comments,
• 25:26
  Speaker 10: said there was no relationship. So You know, this was
• 25:31
  Speaker 10: all part of Pike's motivation to kill somebody. She told
• 25:37
  Speaker 10: her fellow student at Job Corps the day before that
• 25:42
  Speaker 10: she intended to kill Colleen. And she wanted to make it.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: It's hard.
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: I broke down in tears. She was laying on a table, talking,
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: still laughing, picking up her head.
• 25:56
  Speaker 11: Has anyone apologized to you for this?
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: No, sir.
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: Nobody apologized. Here we are, 31 years, and you're laughing
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: in my face again. And that's what I feel like
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: they did. I want to think about Colleen being there
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: and saying, thank you, Mom, on her voice. The criminals
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: get so much attention.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: Why?
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: She has been lost in this. And they lost a
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: piece of her skull that we still can't find. She's
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: been forgotten. other than when it's brought up like this.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: That is Colleen's mother speaking from our friends at First
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Coast News and WHAS. Joining us now, Dr. Janie Lacey,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: licensed psychotherapist, CEO of Life Counseling Solutions. She's the author
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: of How to Heal from a Toxic Relationship and the
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: star of Let's Talk About It with Janie Lacey.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: Dr.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Janie, thank you for being with us. This mother, I'm
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: talking about Colleen's mother. 31 years, she waited for some
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: type of closure. Of course, there's never any closure. You
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: just somehow managed to trudge forward. And now this, Dr.
• 27:08
  Speaker 11: Janie.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: You know, Nancy, I imagine, you know, I want us
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: all to imagine like being told for 30 years that
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: a date is coming and you brace for it. The
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: day arrives and it doesn't end. You know, I think
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: families in that position, they get caught in a loop
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: of hope, right? And then there's dread, and then right
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: now we're looking at potentially reversal. So people talk about closure,
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: as you stated, but there is no clean closure when
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: the process keeps reopening Ms. Martinez's and the family's wound.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: And her mom, who has said for years that she
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: supported the death penalty for Pike, I mean, whatever happens next,
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, I hope the state thinks hard about about
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: what these families are told and when, so they are
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: not just learning it from headlines, because there is a
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: family that has been waiting for 30 years, Nancy.
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: She went in there thinking that justice was gonna get shoved,
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: and of course, Chrisette Pike didn't make it, didn't die.
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: You had 31 years to do this. You had 31
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: years to make sure you guys got everything in order.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: For this day to happen and for that to stop
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: an hour before, it's just a slap in the face.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: From our friends at WVLT, that's Morgan Seeley, Colleen's niece,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: speaking out. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 31 years to
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: get this ready, and they still screwed it up. Randolph-Rice,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: I am reading this motion just filed by Krista Pike's
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: lawyers demanding that the Attorney General for the state of
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Tennessee maintain and preserve all evidence regarding the double botched
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: lethal injection. There's going to be a huge lawsuit for
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: medical costs, for pain and suffering. But will her death
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: sentence be commuted by the governor?
• 29:23
  Speaker 7: Nancy, that's a great question. And I don't know that
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: it's necessarily going to be commuted by the governor, but
• 29:27
  Speaker 7: certainly the courts are going to get involved here. And
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: this may go all the way up to the Supreme
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: Court because there are two big issues here. The first,
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: the Fifth Amendment that says you can't have double jeopardy,
• 29:38
  Speaker 7: which means you can't punish somebody twice. And more importantly,
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: I think the stronger argument.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Put them up. Put them up. Double jeopardy involves trying
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: someone twice.
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: There's also a portion that talks about double punishment. Double punishment.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: That's why there's double jeopardy. There can't be double punishment
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: on double trial. This does not mean. You're really something. Okay.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Double jeopardy, when the sentence fails, does not preclude the
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: sentence being reenacted.
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: I'm still making that argument. And I'm making it to
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: the Supreme Court. And here's my second argument.
• 30:22
  Speaker 11: Go ahead.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Spin it out, Rumpelstiltskin. Eighth Amendment.
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: Can't have cruel and unusual punishment. This was cruel and
• 30:30
  Speaker 7: unusual punishment. And this is distinguishable from all of the
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: cases that the Supreme Court has talked about. Because in
• 30:36
  Speaker 7: those cases, they couldn't get the needle in or the
• 30:39
  Speaker 7: electricity wasn't powerful enough. They got her to the brink
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: of death. Miss Pike was almost dead. They had to
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: resuscitate her, bring her back. And now she's injured. This
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: is one of those ones where I don't think they're
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: going to put another needle in her. And to be
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: honest with you, I wouldn't let this group in Tennessee
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: give me a flu shot. Good enough for government work.
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: That seems to be the motto here.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, hey. I've been a government worker my
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: whole legal career. I don't even know what you're talking about.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Weren't you a former prosecutor? Isn't that the government?
• 31:13
  Speaker 7: It was, but this group here.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, pot, don't call that kettle black. Good enough for government. Okay,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: let me direct Randolph Rice to the law, not just
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: his fantasies, his legal fantasies. I direct you to Louisiana,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Francis V. Resweber. The U.S. Supreme Court condoned and allowed
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: a second execution attempt after the initial electrocution malfunction. Bam.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: So I guess you're going to argue against the U.S.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Supreme Court ruling. And again, you heard Randolph Rice spinning
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: out double jeopardy. Legal precedent states double jeopardy does not
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: apply to a failed execution attempt. The state is not
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: barred from trying again. Double jeopardy deals with not being
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: able to try someone twice for the same crime. Here's
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: an example.
• 32:09
  Speaker 11: O.J.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Simpson, even if he had stated, okay, I did it,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: and I'll tell you how I did it. If he
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: gave a full confession to murdering Nicole, And Ron, he
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: could not be tried again because he was tried and acquitted.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: He could not try somebody again. And that is why
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: you see, very often, you see prosecutors wait a long
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: time to bring a case to trial because they're trying
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: to get enough evidence to convict. Because if you miss
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: the boat, if you screw up and there's an acquittal,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: and then you get that big smoking gun, too late.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: There's nothing you can do about it. Straight back to
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: John North, senior investigative journalist, WBIR Knoxville. What's happening? Is
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: the death penalty going to be commuted? Is she going
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: to be given life without parole versus the DP? What's happening?
• 33:08
  Speaker 9: Tennessee is a really red state, Nancy. So you start
• 33:12
  Speaker 9: with that as kind of the assumption. This is a
• 33:14
  Speaker 9: place where people are pretty hardcore about crime and they
• 33:17
  Speaker 9: want people to be held accountable. On the other hand,
• 33:20
  Speaker 9: as Randolph just said, the state couldn't execute somebody after
• 33:25
  Speaker 9: assuring everybody that there were going to be no problems
• 33:29
  Speaker 9: and we've already had a botched execution attempt in May.
• 33:32
  Speaker 9: They didn't get the drugs into that inmate system. This
• 33:35
  Speaker 9: one they did, and she lived. What's going to happen
• 33:38
  Speaker 9: is it's all going to play out, as you would imagine,
• 33:41
  Speaker 9: in multiple courts on multiple platforms. The death penalty is
• 33:46
  Speaker 9: something we're already hearing from politicians, Republicans who are like, hey,
• 33:50
  Speaker 9: never mind with lethal injection. Let's go back to the
• 33:53
  Speaker 9: electric chair right now. Lethal injection is the designated method
• 33:58
  Speaker 9: for most inmates. If you're convicted today on the table,
• 34:01
  Speaker 9: that's what you're going to get. This is not just
• 34:05
  Speaker 9: a legal issue. It's a political issue, too. You know,
• 34:11
  Speaker 9: it's unprecedented. will people as a result of this say, wow,
• 34:16
  Speaker 9: we need to take a serious look at death penalty
• 34:18
  Speaker 9: in Tennessee?
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: Yes, they will.
• 34:21
  Speaker 9: Will it go away completely? I couldn't give you that assurance.
• 34:25
  Speaker 9: I did talk over the weekend with a district attorney
• 34:28
  Speaker 9: general who handles death penalty cases and had one pending
• 34:33
  Speaker 9: until there was a death of an inmate. But he said,
• 34:36
  Speaker 9: you have to wonder now, if Tennessee will ever be
• 34:40
  Speaker 9: capable of carrying out another death sentence. So we're talking
• 34:44
  Speaker 9: about not just months, and we have a new governor
• 34:47
  Speaker 9: who's going to be taking office in January, elections next month.
• 34:51
  Speaker 9: But you're talking about years to try and figure this out.
• 34:54
  Speaker 9: This is years. Now, meanwhile, just so everybody knows, Pike's
• 34:58
  Speaker 9: not going anywhere. She's got this sentence, whether it's commuted
• 35:03
  Speaker 9: or not, she attempted to murder another inmate in 2001.
• 35:08
  Speaker 9: She's got 25 years for that.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Stop everything. Whoa.
• 35:14
  Speaker 11: What?
• 35:16
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 35:16
  Speaker 9: She, in 2001, she tried to kill another inmate here
• 35:20
  Speaker 9: from Knoxville. Chief Keith would remember this case. The woman's
• 35:24
  Speaker 9: name was, is Patricia Jones. She murdered an elderly woman
• 35:28
  Speaker 9: here in Knoxville and she and Krista never liked each other. Um,
• 35:34
  Speaker 9: That's what the record shows. And in 2001, Krista decided that,
• 35:38
  Speaker 9: you know, she was going to take a boot lace
• 35:40
  Speaker 9: and try and kill her.
• 35:41
  Speaker 8: Didn't work.
• 35:43
  Speaker 9: The guards intervened while, according to the court record, Krista
• 35:47
  Speaker 9: is basically in control of her, saved Patricia Jones's life.
• 35:54
  Speaker 9: A couple days after that, you may be aware there
• 35:56
  Speaker 9: was a prison conversation. Those are recorded. Krista was talking
• 36:00
  Speaker 9: to her mother and also a friend. and basically said,
• 36:04
  Speaker 9: I premeditated the you-know-what out of it. If I had
• 36:09
  Speaker 9: been given another 30 seconds, there'd be a white chalk
• 36:12
  Speaker 9: mark out there in the yard.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Okay. Randolph Rice, there you go. Even if she is
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: not given the death penalty again, she's going to get
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: behind bars and try to kill somebody else. That's new
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: to me. I did not know she tried to kill
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: a female inmate.
• 36:30
  Speaker 7: Then Then convict her for that and let's have her
• 36:33
  Speaker 7: sentenced to death for that crime. But for this crime itself,
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: and again, I disagree with you. I think double jeopardy.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: That commitment comes into it. I just want to make
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: sure that, what did you just say? Convict her on that.
• 36:45
  Speaker 7: Convict her and sentence her to death on that case
• 36:48
  Speaker 7: if you want to do that. But for this case here,
• 36:50
  Speaker 7: the one that we're talking about where they couldn't complete
• 36:52
  Speaker 7: the execution, that is the issue we're talking about here.
• 36:56
  Speaker 7: And that's the issue where it's botched. And the Supreme Court,
• 36:59
  Speaker 7: if it gets that far, is going to say, you
• 37:01
  Speaker 7: had your chance, Tennessee. You failed miserably. The same people
• 37:06
  Speaker 7: running the DMV seem to be running the execution chambers
• 37:08
  Speaker 7: in Tennessee. You don't get to do it again.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: So Joe Scott Morgan, what happened to the three jug
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: cocktail that seemed to work?
• 37:15
  Speaker 8: Honestly, Nancy, I don't know why they went away from it.
• 37:20
  Speaker 8: I'm sure that it was more lawyer speak relative to
• 37:24
  Speaker 8: how they were going to go through this, because with
• 37:26
  Speaker 8: the combination with With each element that you combine into
• 37:31
  Speaker 8: this so-called cocktail, that is a point that can be
• 37:35
  Speaker 8: argued along the way that it's going to not be
• 37:38
  Speaker 8: sufficient to do the job. So what do you do? Well,
• 37:42
  Speaker 8: you drop down to a single agent, which is pentobarbital
• 37:47
  Speaker 8: in this case. By the way, again, I'd like to
• 37:49
  Speaker 8: emphasize this is the single most common agent. standalone drug
• 37:55
  Speaker 8: that is actually used to euthanize dogs with. Just let
• 38:00
  Speaker 8: that sink in. It's used every single day all across
• 38:03
  Speaker 8: the country by veterinarian offices. So with that said, they
• 38:08
  Speaker 8: settle on this one drug. It is not the drug, okay?
• 38:13
  Speaker 8: It's not the methodology. This is what used to be
• 38:17
  Speaker 8: referred to in computer speak as operator error here. They
• 38:23
  Speaker 8: failed to get the delivery device into her vessels, okay? Now,
• 38:31
  Speaker 8: I would love to tell you this, and just so
• 38:34
  Speaker 8: you understand.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: You mean they did not inject a blood vessel? Is
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: that what that just meant?
• 38:38
  Speaker 11: Yeah, it is.
• 38:39
  Speaker 8: They went into probably the interstitial.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: They couldn't find a vein? Between all of them, they
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: couldn't find a vein?
• 38:45
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and one of the things, one of the tropes
• 38:48
  Speaker 8: that's been put out, well, she dehydrated herself, you know,
• 38:52
  Speaker 8: days prior. Let me tell you something. There are wonderful
• 38:56
  Speaker 8: nurses and CNAs and paramedics and all kinds of people
• 39:00
  Speaker 8: out there all across America right now as we speak
• 39:05
  Speaker 8: that are setting up IVs. And yeah, sometimes you have
• 39:09
  Speaker 8: problems and sometimes you don't. But Nancy, you're talking about
• 39:13
  Speaker 8: going through, and you said this, going through seven needles.
• 39:18
  Speaker 8: How many do you need in order to make this happen?
• 39:22
  Speaker 8: The way that this process is set up in Tennessee
• 39:26
  Speaker 8: is that they have this 30-day window. It's like a spin-up.
• 39:30
  Speaker 8: And then they have these markers they have to go through.
• 39:34
  Speaker 8: It's like retraining, right? So you have the initial contact
• 39:39
  Speaker 8: and then everybody's supposed to know what they do. Where
• 39:42
  Speaker 8: in the hell did they fail here? How can you
• 39:44
  Speaker 8: be this just blatantly incompetent?
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Agree. Agree. Agree, and it started the ball rolling in
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: a legal and emotional nightmare. The bill already is estimated
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: to approach $ 200, 000 for the medical bills. Then there's going
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: to be the lawsuits for pain and suffering on behalf
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: of Krista Pike. But what about Slimmer's mother? John North
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: joining us, senior investigative reporter, WBIR, Knoxville. You spoke with
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Colleen's mother, what is her response to all of this?
• 40:23
  Speaker 9: Disgusted, despondent. She's kind of given up. She's said things
• 40:28
  Speaker 9: to us yesterday like this was never going to happen
• 40:31
  Speaker 9: to begin with. She's called it fake. And I said,
• 40:35
  Speaker 9: if you don't mind me asking, what would you like
• 40:37
  Speaker 9: to see done? She said, it doesn't matter what I think.
• 40:40
  Speaker 9: They don't care what I think. So that kind of
• 40:42
  Speaker 9: summarizes where she is mentally.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: What was her demeanor? As she spoke to you, John North.
• 40:52
  Speaker 9: Increasingly frustrated and angry, Nancy. We've known each other for
• 40:56
  Speaker 9: 30 years. I've tried to stay in touch with her.
• 41:00
  Speaker 9: There were many times where she was like, it's not
• 41:02
  Speaker 9: going to happen. It's not going to happen. And I said, Mae,
• 41:04
  Speaker 9: you just have to trust the legal process. We talked
• 41:07
  Speaker 9: to her the night before the execution, went over and
• 41:10
  Speaker 9: met her in her hotel room in Nashville. And she
• 41:12
  Speaker 9: was kind of like, okay, you know, maybe this is
• 41:15
  Speaker 9: going to happen, and I'll be there for Colleen to
• 41:17
  Speaker 9: witness it. But, I mean, she was seeing the same
• 41:22
  Speaker 9: thing that I was seeing Wednesday night, and she was
• 41:26
  Speaker 9: back to being let down from her perspective, again, in thinking.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Because it never ends. First of all, the family of
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: a murder victim, the rest of their life is altered.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: It never goes away. Ever. Everything has changed.
• 41:41
  Speaker 11: But this.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: I just don't know how Slimmer's family can keep going. Guys,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: you were seeing video just then from First Coast News
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: and WHAS as John was speaking.
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: Nancy, Krista Pike's attorney spoke this afternoon. They said, first
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: thing she said was, where am I and who are you?
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: But she remains shackled to her bed. And her lawyer,
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: Andy Spivey, says the murderer is still severely unwell, cannot
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: move her arms or swallow, has a blood clot and pneumonia.
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: and a request to unshackle her was refused. Pike's attorneys
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: filed an emergency motion to secure the execution materials, noting
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: that she only regained limited consciousness in speech the day
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: before the hearing yesterday. Davidson County Chancery Court Chancellor Aisha L.
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: Miles ordered the state of Tennessee to preserve all evidence
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: connected to the failed execution of Pike. The judge's sweeping
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: order requires... Tennessee Department of Correction to save anything that
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: was in the actual room. It's an extensive list, including
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: medical supplies like syringes, needles, unused drugs, and IV lines,
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: records and documentation like execution logs, drug lot numbers, time logs,
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: and medical records, as well as communications, emails, text messages,
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: witness accounts, video footage, and any 911 calls made during
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: the incident.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: We wait. as justice unfolds. And tonight, we remember an
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: American hero, patrolman Cassie Johnson, Charleston PD, West Virginia, just 28,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: shot and killed in the line of duty, leaving behind
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: her mother, Cheryl, and siblings, Chelsea and Charles. American hero,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: patrol person, Cassie Johnson. Thank you to our guests, but
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: especially to you for being with us. Nancy Grace, signing
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: off for tonight And I'll see you tomorrow night. And
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: until then, good night, friends.