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Love and Rockets Book Club #70 - The In-Between Years 16 · 22 Panels - A Comic Book Podcast

• 0:00
  Tad Eggleston: We'll read it as we go.
• 0:02
  Tad Eggleston: Some of them aren't even that long, shivers. Good morning, everybody! Afternoon in Malta. I am joined by Maria and Marisol again for our Love and Rockets Book Club, and we're gonna do things a little bit differently today, because
• 0:19
  Tad Eggleston: We… we read our Luba No. 8, and our…
• 0:24
  Tad Eggleston: Measles number 6, and that's when we realized that there was… there was no,
• 0:29
  Tad Eggleston: Jaime in either one of them. So, there's also no Jaime in measles number 7, but there's, like, a page of Gilbert.
• 0:39
  Tad Eggleston: And… and then, there's… there's Jaime and… and measles number 8. So, we're gonna go through our normal thing, but then we're gonna read a couple of stories together for the first time, where… where…
• 0:53
  Tad Eggleston: We're making up our opinion on the spot, rather than going from what we knew already, so I.
• 1:00
  Maria Pena: We'll see how that goes.
• 1:01
  Marisol: Hmm.
• 1:02
  Maria Pena: I write a dissertation every time, or, you know, like, I didn't have time to write my essay and, notes.
• 1:10
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, one of my favorite episodes that I have done of 22 Panels, and I'd like to do it again at some point, is Chris Condon and I were bored one day, and we… we found… I'd come across an issue of Daredevil written by Ann Nesenti and drawn by Steve Ditko.
• 1:28
  Tad Eggleston: And we decided to read it cold.
• 1:30
  Tad Eggleston: So neither one of us had read it.
• 1:32
  Tad Eggleston: when we started recording the episodes, so it was just commentary as we read the book, and that was kind of fun. So, you know, something I've managed to do before, or do again since then, until today. So I'm looking forward to it. But we'll see.
• 1:47
  Maria Pena: some history.
• 1:48
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, we'll start with Luba. A nice, Guadalupe… er, not Guadalupe, where is it, Guadalupe.
• 1:54
  Maria Pena: Yeah, Guadalupe.
• 1:55
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, one of the big cover, yeah.
• 1:57
  Maria Pena: How about you?
• 1:58
  Tad Eggleston: I, I love how we've got the, the big heads.
• 2:02
  Maria Pena: The big heads and little bodies.
• 2:05
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 2:06
  Tad Eggleston: head, little body.
• 2:08
  Tad Eggleston: For all of Fortunato's conquests?
• 2:11
  Maria Pena: I used to be, tapped for doing the office, caricatures when I was.
• 2:18
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 2:19
  Maria Pena: In my first job, and I used to always do the big head and little bodies, because you see, you know, you can fit in a lot of, details.
• 2:29
  Maria Pena: It's a caricature like that.
• 2:33
  Tad Eggleston: And then.
• 2:34
  Maria Pena: So…
• 2:35
  Tad Eggleston: I love that Boots is following them everywhere.
• 2:38
  Marisol: Yep.
• 2:39
  Maria Pena: Yeah, so she's got her… And she's got her little, leather outfit with the…
• 2:45
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, they're, they're in their sex cave, their, their sex dungeon, whatever, here, and there's food.
• 2:52
  Tad Eggleston: Boots in a… in a very, like…
• 2:58
  Tad Eggleston: Leather, but also kind of similar to Princess Leia in Return of the Jedi, when she killed Jabba.
• 3:07
  Tad Eggleston: We got the Leather Hot Slayer.
• 3:11
  Maria Pena: Yes.
• 3:11
  Tad Eggleston: outfit.
• 3:13
  Maria Pena: I wouldn't call it sexy, but, you know, it is kind of…
• 3:16
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, though, I do love Boots talking to Fortunato later about how she's all woman.
• 3:26
  Maria Pena: Oh, yeah, she's gonna… she's about to go, you know, she's gonna get in on the action with.
• 3:32
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 3:33
  Maria Pena: And she…
• 3:34
  Tad Eggleston: And I also… I think it's hilarious that, like, it's young Sergio that's, like.
• 3:41
  Tad Eggleston: What are you guys doing? You're too old for this, and, like…
• 3:46
  Maria Pena: Yeah, he's, he's having a crisis of,
• 3:49
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 3:50
  Maria Pena: Oh, he's.
• 3:52
  Tad Eggleston: I won't.
• 3:54
  Maria Pena: jealousy or something. I love that every time you see Fortunato, there's this sort of headline above him, Fortunato!
• 4:02
  Tad Eggleston: This.
• 4:03
  Maria Pena: It's every time.
• 4:05
  Tad Eggleston: How'd you go.
• 4:06
  Maria Pena: Excuse me.
• 4:06
  Marisol: It's so dramatic whenever we see him.
• 4:09
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 4:10
  Tad Eggleston: You know, we have the fallout from Dora Lise.
• 4:15
  Tad Eggleston: Coming out. Coming out on air.
• 4:19
  Tad Eggleston: Of course, like, what's weird is then she… she also spends time with Fortunato.
• 4:25
  Maria Pena: or to Natto, see the… see the headline.
• 4:31
  Maria Pena: This is interesting because it's, Narrated by Boots.
• 4:37
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, Boots is writing all of the stories.
• 4:40
  Maria Pena: Of the stories, and…
• 4:42
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 4:43
  Maria Pena: She's seeing it from all her notes, or whatever. She's… she's… all her research.
• 4:49
  Maria Pena: And, oh.
• 4:54
  Maria Pena: Oh, yeah.
• 4:55
  Tad Eggleston: Gato was the one that, like, blabbed the tabloids that's got everybody in trouble. I do love the, the last line here. Poor peepo, all she's got left is her sportswear line, her partnership with health clubs, her Crescent stock investments.
• 5:16
  Maria Pena: Nice, we've got our pride.
• 5:17
  Tad Eggleston: cut our pride.
• 5:21
  Maria Pena: Yeah, so I've got those…
• 5:23
  Marisol: They knocked one thing off her plate, and she's.
• 5:26
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
• 5:27
  Marisol: Has Mountain.
• 5:29
  Maria Pena: And God was left bereft and crying. I think he's still… you think he's still in love with her?
• 5:34
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, definitely.
• 5:35
  Marisol: Sure.
• 5:36
  Tad Eggleston: That's supposed to be.
• 5:37
  Maria Pena: the season, yeah.
• 5:37
  Tad Eggleston: Definitely.
• 5:39
  Marisol: You know, he cannot be that obsessed and jealous of people without still being in love with her.
• 5:46
  Maria Pena: Yeah, of course, yeah, yeah.
• 5:48
  Tad Eggleston: So, so what Guys.
• 5:51
  Tad Eggleston: No, go ahead.
• 5:51
  Maria Pena: Tunetto's origin story.
• 5:53
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I was about to say, what did you guys think of Fortunato's origin story?
• 5:57
  Maria Pena: Yeah, I thought it was interesting, yeah.
• 6:00
  Maria Pena: messed up.
• 6:01
  Tad Eggleston: Am I the only one that, in this top picture, for, like, half a second, thought that Fritz was massaging?
• 6:09
  Maria Pena: Maggie.
• 6:10
  Maria Pena: Yeah, Hopi, or… I mean, she kind of looks more like Maggie, but…
• 6:15
  Maria Pena: But she does… I noticed that she looks more like… She's looking like Hopi.
• 6:23
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 6:24
  Tad Eggleston: But yeah, no, the three boys…
• 6:27
  Tad Eggleston: Raised to… to be horrible to women.
• 6:30
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 6:31
  Tad Eggleston: Fortunato.
• 6:32
  Maria Pena: Oh, Tale of, what is it? Not Tale of the cities, Great Expectations. It was that girl that was raised to destroy men.
• 6:41
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 6:42
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 6:44
  Maria Pena: It's a bit like that.
• 6:48
  Tad Eggleston: And boots. My appeal is IFINITE!
• 6:51
  Marisol: I love those bottom lines.
• 6:55
  Maria Pena: It's a little traffic.
• 6:56
  Marisol: The slow comes up on boots.
• 7:00
  Maria Pena: Yeah, and her mouth is always around, like, this sort of old.
• 7:04
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 7:07
  Maria Pena: Somebody's screaming.
• 7:09
  Marisol: Sick.
• 7:10
  Tad Eggleston: Sergio gets injured, and injured some more.
• 7:15
  Tad Eggleston: And parties.
• 7:16
  Maria Pena: Double injury. Did we see Fortunato in this one? Did he have a headline?
• 7:21
  Maria Pena: One sec.
• 7:23
  Tad Eggleston: So, I think this was the one non-Fortunato. We got lots of Sergio. What I can't…
• 7:29
  Marisol: Hmm.
• 7:29
  Tad Eggleston: figure out here.
• 7:30
  Maria Pena: No one who went back.
• 7:34
  Maria Pena: Oh, no.
• 7:36
  Tad Eggleston: is… is… did Sergio actually manage to have one last game, or is that him dreaming of one last game?
• 7:45
  Maria Pena: You know, I wondered that.
• 7:48
  Maria Pena: But he has the injuries from… from his fall and all that, so…
• 7:53
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 7:54
  Maria Pena: I think, I think he did mention.
• 8:00
  Maria Pena: And what he wanted to say was that he loved… I think we can say asked him, is there something you wanted to say? And I think he… it was all that,
• 8:09
  Maria Pena: All that insight that he got when he nearly broke both his knees.
• 8:16
  Maria Pena: you know.
• 8:17
  Tad Eggleston: Let's finish with the little corner of playing soccer again.
• 8:21
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 8:23
  Tad Eggleston: I don't know, it's a little weird to have his mom and her lover, who's also his lover, Yep.
• 8:32
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 8:35
  Tad Eggleston: Both shoving…
• 8:36
  Maria Pena: Hell yeah, it's so…
• 8:37
  Tad Eggleston: space.
• 8:42
  Maria Pena: Yeah, totally.
• 8:44
  Marisol: It's turned into a really weird love triangle.
• 8:47
  Maria Pena: Guadalupe,
• 8:51
  Maria Pena: Yeah, I wasn't sure about this Guadalupe one, she's just kind of having a big, kind of, insight into herself or something.
• 9:01
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I think… I think we're seeing that she's got some… like, just like her husband is still totally in love with Pipo, she still kinda has a thing for Sergio.
• 9:16
  Tad Eggleston: You know…
• 9:18
  Maria Pena: Yo.
• 9:21
  Tad Eggleston: You know, and I've always kind of thought that part of that relationship was, okay, I can't have Sergio, so I'll have Sergio's…
• 9:28
  Tad Eggleston: Dad.
• 9:31
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 9:35
  Maria Pena: But I didn't understand if she's talking about how she's very volatile, and people treat her like she's about to go off, and I was thinking, I don't remember that.
• 9:44
  Tad Eggleston: No, she always seems really, really chill to me.
• 9:48
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 9:49
  Marisol: Guadalupe is not… I think she may be one of the…
• 9:53
  Marisol: least aggressive members of… between her siblings?
• 9:58
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 9:59
  Maria Pena: But she's… obviously thinks that… That she's, you know, that she's seen as…
• 10:08
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and I wonder if that's, like, just from… Fire explosion.
• 10:13
  Tad Eggleston: like…
• 10:16
  Tad Eggleston: is it possible that that's, like, literally just, like, her response to the stuff we've seen? Because I feel like there was a scene where she was, like.
• 10:28
  Tad Eggleston: One point harder than… than… I'm used to her being…
• 10:35
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 10:36
  Tad Eggleston: and she…
• 10:36
  Maria Pena: to assist.
• 10:37
  Tad Eggleston: like…
• 10:39
  Maria Pena: He's still beating herself up over it.
• 10:43
  Maria Pena: Right, you can… yeah, but, you know, if you've just gone back to the beginning and.
• 10:48
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, the back-to-cable… no, the back-to-cable access, I guess. I think she's still…
• 10:55
  Tad Eggleston: talking about how mean she is for… for saying that because they split up, it's back to cable access. That… I think… I feel like that's the mean line, so, like, this is actually more, how…
• 11:12
  Tad Eggleston: how good
• 11:15
  Tad Eggleston: Guadalupe is overall, that, like, a whole issue later, she's still beating herself up because with nobody even actually hearing her.
• 11:27
  Maria Pena: She said. She made a comment.
• 11:31
  Tad Eggleston: I'm such a bitch!
• 11:33
  Maria Pena: I thought it was bad, I was just noticing it's all salt balloons.
• 11:37
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, it's all Thought Bubbles. She's dwelling on it the entire time.
• 11:41
  Maria Pena: She's just, you know, thinking, thinking… she's in her head a lot, I think.
• 11:47
  Maria Pena: Like, completely in her head. Everywhere.
• 11:52
  Maria Pena: Anyway, yeah, interesting. So yeah, that, that Guadalupez story kind of… I was like, I had to read it twice, like, what's she going on about?
• 12:03
  Tad Eggleston: I think, I think, like, it's really defining Guadalupe as that, like, ultimate insecure…
• 12:11
  Tad Eggleston: Always convinced that she's not doing the right thing, even though she always does the right thing.
• 12:19
  Maria Pena: Hmm.
• 12:20
  Maria Pena: And I guess that's what she was like when she was a little kid.
• 12:23
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 12:24
  Maria Pena: I was always observing everybody.
• 12:27
  Maria Pena: noticing, you know, Maricela blowing up with…
• 12:31
  Tad Eggleston: Very much a rule follower.
• 12:33
  Marisol: Yup.
• 12:33
  Maria Pena: Yeah, and kind of being a peacemaker, and the…
• 12:37
  Maria Pena: Yeah, yeah, okay.
• 12:40
  Maria Pena: Oh, very relatable, really. Oh, I love these first… these three, top panels of, Ophelia getting old, and with the same story with Luba, like, oh, it's Luba going out, Ophelia going, you're leaving your kids behind!
• 12:56
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 12:57
  Maria Pena: I love that.
• 13:01
  Maria Pena: And Lupa's not pulling the blocks anymore.
• 13:06
  Marisol: Nope. Nope.
• 13:07
  Tad Eggleston: No, no.
• 13:08
  Maria Pena: She's getting a bit older, even her enormous bosomed cat.
• 13:13
  Maria Pena: That's not having an effect on whatever that guy's saying.
• 13:19
  Tad Eggleston: And then, and then, like…
• 13:21
  Maria Pena: Yeah, and then…
• 13:23
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 13:23
  Maria Pena: fight… fighting with Ophelion, she nearly…
• 13:26
  Tad Eggleston: Maybe if he was blindfolded?
• 13:29
  Maria Pena: Yeah, huh?
• 13:30
  Tad Eggleston: That's not what you say.
• 13:31
  Maria Pena: It's a near miss?
• 13:33
  Maria Pena: It was a near-miss of a punch. It took Ophelia by surprise.
• 13:40
  Maria Pena: Is this the beginning of some kind of, you know, Full out.
• 13:45
  Maria Pena: Between the two of them.
• 13:50
  Marisol: Because Ophelia and Lupa have been together just… For so many years now.
• 13:57
  Tad Eggleston: Forever.
• 13:57
  Maria Pena: So long, yeah. You know, Fed has always been there for her.
• 14:03
  Tad Eggleston: And then this is where we actually find out that we're four issues behind on Lubiz Comics and Stories.
• 14:11
  Marisol: Oh, boy.
• 14:14
  Maria Pena: Lover, Nectar and eggs.
• 14:16
  Maria Pena: Explaining that…
• 14:17
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, this is definitely a, a period where, where,
• 14:24
  Maria Pena: This is a maniac.
• 14:25
  Tad Eggleston: Beto was much more prolific than Jaime.
• 14:29
  Tad Eggleston: I like the back cover pictures.
• 14:33
  Maria Pena: Yeah, the family photos, and then on her own, frits, and her extremely pale skin.
• 14:41
  Marisol: Yes.
• 14:43
  Maria Pena: What's with Guadalupe, lifting her top and lowering her jeans in the second and the third?
• 14:52
  Maria Pena: What the hell's that? Is it, like.
• 14:56
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, it looks like she… well, I mean, first.
• 14:59
  Maria Pena: Showing…
• 15:00
  Tad Eggleston: She's got her husband there.
• 15:02
  Marisol: Hmm.
• 15:03
  Maria Pena: But second, it looks like she's almost trying to shock.
• 15:07
  Tad Eggleston: Fritz?
• 15:09
  Marisol: Fritz?
• 15:11
  Maria Pena: Or, or kind of, maybe they've got the same, the same shape, stomach.
• 15:18
  Tad Eggleston: Maybe.
• 15:18
  Maria Pena: Maybe she can, craft some.
• 15:20
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and actually.
• 15:21
  Maria Pena: If she really tries.
• 15:23
  Tad Eggleston: Even Boots has the bare midriff, so maybe it's.
• 15:27
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 15:27
  Tad Eggleston: Her, like.
• 15:28
  Maria Pena: Oh, everybody else is showing their belly.
• 15:31
  Tad Eggleston: I suppose I'm supposed to, too.
• 15:34
  Maria Pena: Yay!
• 15:34
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 15:35
  Maria Pena: Yeah, I think that's exactly what it is.
• 15:37
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 15:39
  Maria Pena: Okay.
• 15:42
  Maria Pena: Yeah, no, it's a great little color.
• 15:45
  Maria Pena: Strip?
• 15:48
  Marisol: You get to see.
• 15:50
  Maria Pena: Oh, wait, so she starts at the top, and she's got all her clothes on, she's got her therapist get-up.
• 15:56
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, that's the therapist.
• 15:57
  Maria Pena: All the, all the different kinds.
• 15:59
  Tad Eggleston: Then you've got Ant, Yeah. Right.
• 16:03
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 16:05
  Tad Eggleston: And I almost feel like this one is…
• 16:10
  Maria Pena: Well, Guadalupe was.
• 16:11
  Tad Eggleston: Colorado and Guadalupe.
• 16:13
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 16:14
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, visiting, like, the set.
• 16:18
  Tad Eggleston: On one of the times where they were on Dora Lisa's show?
• 16:22
  Maria Pena: Yeah, yeah.
• 16:23
  Tad Eggleston: And then you've got her hanging out with Pipo and Sergio and Fortunato.
• 16:29
  Marisol: That's not fortunate.
• 16:31
  Tad Eggleston: No, that's not Fortunato. But it is another guy that she slept with, because you can tell that she's sitting there going, I am in a picture with 3 different people I've been naked with, and I don't think they know.
• 16:45
  Marisol: Oh my god, that's right.
• 16:47
  Maria Pena: Like, I'm a bad girl, so I'm gonna keep my glasses on so that… Right.
• 16:53
  Tad Eggleston: Then you've got the sister and her niece and nephew, and you can tell that, like, she's close to Venus, and there's, like, the stuff going on.
• 17:03
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 17:04
  Tad Eggleston: And then she's almost the hanger-on with Doralese and whatnot.
• 17:09
  Tad Eggleston: And then with her sister in Kamo.
• 17:11
  Maria Pena: That's Maricela, and hopefully I am.
• 17:14
  Tad Eggleston: I'm sorry.
• 17:15
  Maria Pena: Luba and Carmel?
• 17:17
  Maria Pena: Yeah, no, well, the release is there, but, that's very similar.
• 17:22
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 17:23
  Marisol: Luba with her trusty hammer, taking it wherever she goes.
• 17:27
  Maria Pena: Yes.
• 17:30
  Tad Eggleston: And she's gonna come on in a, in a formal… Yeah, that's some sort of formal thing that she went to with,
• 17:37
  Tad Eggleston: And then…
• 17:38
  Maria Pena: Just…
• 17:38
  Tad Eggleston: the…
• 17:40
  Maria Pena: Just burning…
• 17:41
  Tad Eggleston: Probably the least sexy naked pose Fritz has ever done.
• 17:46
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 17:48
  Tad Eggleston: It's like a mugshot without clothes.
• 17:50
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah.
• 17:57
  Maria Pena: Yeah, that was.
• 17:59
  Tad Eggleston: But I think, in some ways, it also teases what's next, because we haven't gotten into Fritz's movie career yet, and I know it's coming…
• 18:07
  Tad Eggleston: Soon.
• 18:08
  Maria Pena: Oh, okay.
• 18:09
  Marisol: Oh.
• 18:10
  Maria Pena: Spoiler alert.
• 18:12
  Marisol: I forgot Fritz was in movies.
• 18:17
  Tad Eggleston: So, measles number 6, covers not from.
• 18:20
  Maria Pena: Yeah, this is the one I actually read.
• 18:22
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
• 18:23
  Tad Eggleston: I do like the… the… the Venus with the guitar.
• 18:28
  Maria Pena: Yeah, that's right.
• 18:28
  Tad Eggleston: On the title page.
• 18:30
  Tad Eggleston: And then… You've got Venus essentially turning into a teenager.
• 18:36
  Tad Eggleston: Let me… Let me…
• 18:39
  Maria Pena: Karina's having a boom.
• 18:42
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 18:44
  Tad Eggleston: And… But then…
• 18:45
  Maria Pena: Mom gives her the coin.
• 18:47
  Tad Eggleston: my… well, specifically the Indian Head, Buffalo Back, Nickel, and… and… That gets her… her…
• 18:58
  Tad Eggleston: Brain going and brings her back.
• 19:01
  Tad Eggleston: So mom still knows her.
• 19:04
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 19:06
  Maria Pena: There's some serotonin or something.
• 19:09
  Tad Eggleston: So it's that… it's that cute, cute two-pager.
• 19:13
  Tad Eggleston: Birthday Bash. This is…
• 19:15
  Maria Pena: Oh, so Mario, yeah.
• 19:17
  Marisol: Oh!
• 19:17
  Tad Eggleston: This is a very different Mario.
• 19:21
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 19:23
  Tad Eggleston: You know, this is much more playful, I think, than we're used to seeing Mario.
• 19:29
  Tad Eggleston: Still some high detail stuff.
• 19:34
  Maria Pena: Hmm.
• 19:36
  Tad Eggleston: But… I love the monster here. EAT SOME CAKE!
• 19:46
  Maria Pena: Oh, I thought that was a cave! Oh, shit.
• 19:50
  Tad Eggleston: Mmm.
• 19:50
  Maria Pena: It's the monstage mouth.
• 19:52
  Marisol: Why did I?
• 19:56
  Maria Pena: Yeah, right.
• 19:58
  Maria Pena: Yeah, it's like Mary Poppins, that lady. She comes in and solves their problem. It's a cake.
• 20:06
  Maria Pena: Yeah, that's what it reminds me. You'll get my bill.
• 20:13
  Tad Eggleston: Lady with the alligator purse.
• 20:16
  Maria Pena: So there's some interesting… yeah, literally, yeah.
• 20:21
  Maria Pena: There's some interesting characters, like that cop that's kind of like a scribble, it's kind of interesting, and…
• 20:31
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, it's… like, it… I like it.
• 20:34
  Maria Pena: Very…
• 20:35
  Tad Eggleston: I like it. I think I like it more than I've liked most other Mario…
• 20:39
  Maria Pena: I love the beat… the beat when, yeah.
• 20:45
  Tad Eggleston: Go ahead.
• 20:46
  Maria Pena: Oh, no, no, sorry, no, go on.
• 20:48
  Tad Eggleston: I…
• 20:49
  Maria Pena: Yeah, you got it.
• 20:51
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I, I was just saying, I, I, I think…
• 20:55
  Tad Eggleston: I think being looser suits it.
• 21:00
  Maria Pena: Yeah, I like that thing where the guy goes, get your shoes off the table, but the shoes have mouths, so they belong on the table. They're having a snack.
• 21:15
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, this one was just fun.
• 21:17
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 21:19
  Tad Eggleston: It's fun. And, and cake… cake solves everything.
• 21:24
  Maria Pena: Yes.
• 21:24
  Marisol: Fix everything better.
• 21:27
  Maria Pena: Alright, I…
• 21:28
  Tad Eggleston: of Beto Monsters on the back page.
• 21:32
  Tad Eggleston: And then into… we get… we get Devil Venus on the.
• 21:37
  Marisol: Hmm.
• 21:40
  Tad Eggleston: This… the… the amount of Hernandez content in this book, Issue 7 of.
• 21:47
  Maria Pena: Follow this.
• 21:48
  Tad Eggleston: Having to be…
• 21:48
  Maria Pena: That's better, though.
• 21:50
  Tad Eggleston: Very, very difficult to read on the air.
• 21:53
  Tad Eggleston: There you go.
• 21:56
  Maria Pena: That, wasn't that better, though? That, that, that, that wordless one with the, eyeballs?
• 22:03
  Maria Pena: I think that was fiddle.
• 22:05
  Tad Eggleston: This one?
• 22:06
  Maria Pena: Oh, maybe not.
• 22:10
  Maria Pena: Shit, I don't know, sure.
• 22:12
  Marisol: Maybe not.
• 22:13
  Tad Eggleston: He's only credited with the Venus story.
• 22:16
  Maria Pena: Oh, okay.
• 22:18
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, Sam Henderson.
• 22:19
  Maria Pena: I can pay.
• 22:22
  Maria Pena: Okay.
• 22:23
  Maria Pena: Okay, bye.
• 22:26
  Maria Pena: I think it's got a certain beta-ishness about it.
• 22:31
  Tad Eggleston: No, I, I can see where you're… where you're coming from.
• 22:35
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 22:38
  Tad Eggleston: And it's that kind of nonsensical.
• 22:41
  Maria Pena: abstract. He had a story that Beto does.
• 22:47
  Maria Pena: Alright.
• 22:49
  Maria Pena: So, what's going on here?
• 22:52
  Maria Pena: Venus buys a cookie?
• 22:54
  Tad Eggleston: Venus drops the cookie, and is sad.
• 22:56
  Maria Pena: another cookie.
• 22:57
  Tad Eggleston: The guy gives her another cookie?
• 23:00
  Tad Eggleston: 5-second rule. So it's about the 5-second rules. Rule.
• 23:05
  Marisol: Yep.
• 23:06
  Maria Pena: The first taken first year.
• 23:09
  Maria Pena: That's very cute.
• 23:12
  Maria Pena: So while she debates, about the 5-second rule, the time passes, and it's like, I can't eat it.
• 23:20
  Maria Pena: And the guy gives her another one, and…
• 23:23
  Maria Pena: And she drops half of it.
• 23:26
  Maria Pena: Was that half of it she dropped?
• 23:29
  Marisol: I think she dropped the whole thing.
• 23:30
  Tad Eggleston: I think she dropped the whole thing again.
• 23:32
  Tad Eggleston: I don't think she's managed to take a bite of either cookie.
• 23:36
  Maria Pena: No, so I guess it all starts again. It's very cute, like, I think kids will enjoy this.
• 23:43
  Tad Eggleston: Meh… And that's… that's it for Hernandez.
• 23:50
  Maria Pena: Okay.
• 23:51
  Tad Eggleston: Which is why we went ahead and went all the way through to measles 8, which has our.
• 23:58
  Maria Pena: Hi, Nikkova!
• 23:59
  Tad Eggleston: leads off.
• 24:01
  Tad Eggleston: with low supersonicose.
• 24:05
  Tad Eggleston: -Oh.
• 24:08
  Maria Pena: And Venus…
• 24:09
  Tad Eggleston: It gives us an actual story from them.
• 24:12
  Maria Pena: California's number one… Versus film, he took care of himself.
• 24:18
  Tad Eggleston: So we've got grandma inviting them to dinner.
• 24:23
  Tad Eggleston: And they're trying to hide the newspaper. I actually just noticed that Dad is also soaking his feet.
• 24:29
  Maria Pena: Luke with his boots on.
• 24:32
  Tad Eggleston: With his boots on. Apparently, superhero dads soak their feet with their boots on.
• 24:38
  Marisol: Who knew?
• 24:40
  Maria Pena: I don't know if my son escapes from prison? Oh my god.
• 24:44
  Maria Pena: After 40 years?
• 24:45
  Tad Eggleston: Cheers.
• 24:46
  Tad Eggleston: Wow.
• 24:46
  Maria Pena: And this is where we find out…
• 24:49
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, that this is… this is Grandma's old hero, but also they… they had a security projecto door, and
• 24:59
  Tad Eggleston: Well, she had trouble getting out.
• 25:02
  Marisol: Oh, man.
• 25:03
  Maria Pena: That's, like, cartoonish, you know, when they… Right. Very, what is it, the Wally Coyote…
• 25:12
  Maria Pena: Yeah. Hitting a metal thing, and…
• 25:15
  Maria Pena: So this must be her old foe from her younger days. Right, right, right.
• 25:21
  Tad Eggleston: I'm not sure. I was a mere infant when he was incarcerated, but I do know what we're dealing with.
• 25:27
  Maria Pena: Hi.
• 25:27
  Tad Eggleston: A rather sleepy foe.
• 25:30
  Maria Pena: Mother was sad.
• 25:32
  Tad Eggleston: On a number of occasions how difficult it was to track him down low those 40 years ago.
• 25:38
  Tad Eggleston: And that's when the team was Dad, Grandpa, Sonny, son-in-law, and of course, mother, who was daughter then, till she gave birth to me.
• 25:49
  Maria Pena: Right.
• 25:51
  Tad Eggleston: And does she have a mustache there?
• 25:56
  Maria Pena: And does he have a little pie?
• 25:58
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, he definitely has a little pipe.
• 26:05
  Marisol: No, I think that's just the weird lines between, like, her upper lip and then.
• 26:09
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, it might, it might be…
• 26:11
  Maria Pena: Might be.
• 26:11
  Tad Eggleston: It's supposed to show a, yeah.
• 26:14
  Maria Pena: I think it's just, yeah.
• 26:16
  Tad Eggleston: Hmm.
• 26:19
  Maria Pena: She's got pronounced, you know, marionette lines.
• 26:24
  Maria Pena: You've got the continuing.
• 26:30
  Tad Eggleston: Shi, shh… Yeah…
• 26:37
  Tad Eggleston: He was selling baby formula that was turning all of the babies in town evil. And
• 26:45
  Tad Eggleston: They were hot on his trail. Unfortunately, it was the police who put him out of business.
• 26:53
  Tad Eggleston: Thus, 40 years later, we merely remain California's number one superfamily. Believe me, it's been hard to live down all these years.
• 27:04
  Maria Pena: Wales.
• 27:04
  Tad Eggleston: They might… they…
• 27:05
  Maria Pena: Those Supersonicos were hot on his trail, for if we could nab him, we could claim the title of the number one Super.
• 27:11
  Tad Eggleston: Number one. America, maybe even the world.
• 27:14
  Maria Pena: In the world, okay.
• 27:16
  Tad Eggleston: So…
• 27:17
  Marisol: Awesome.
• 27:17
  Maria Pena: So that's why it's not… it is not America, it's only California.
• 27:21
  Tad Eggleston: Only California's, because it wound up being the police that caught the bad guy.
• 27:27
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 27:29
  Tad Eggleston: So… When we get there, the kids are there, and it turns out to be a trap.
• 27:37
  Maria Pena: I love that house.
• 27:38
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
• 27:40
  Maria Pena: I love that building with the crazy windows.
• 27:44
  Maria Pena: up, we're caught in a trap. We can't walk out.
• 27:51
  Marisol: And now his plan's continuing to…
• 27:53
  Marisol: Feed more children the formula, the new and approved formula.
• 27:58
  Tad Eggleston: That's right, that's right.
• 28:00
  Marisol: Evil.
• 28:00
  Tad Eggleston: But then… Then… Mother shows up.
• 28:07
  Maria Pena: mother.
• 28:09
  Maria Pena: She's ricocheting everywhere. Oh, that's funny, she… she,
• 28:17
  Maria Pena: She ends up hitting him in the stomach, well…
• 28:20
  Tad Eggleston: Hitting him in the stomach.
• 28:22
  Tad Eggleston: Going through and… and taking his head off.
• 28:27
  Maria Pena: Well, but his hair is attached to a tiny body that.
• 28:33
  Tad Eggleston: Anybody here.
• 28:34
  Maria Pena: So most of the body was just a, I don't know, like a prosthetic body.
• 28:39
  Tad Eggleston: Mother to the rescue. Yay!
• 28:44
  Tad Eggleston: And that's the end. Cute.
• 28:46
  Maria Pena: And what's that, little, thing at the back that looks like, some kind of monster behind Mada?
• 28:53
  Marisol: Little, like, squid…
• 28:54
  Maria Pena: Who knows?
• 28:55
  Marisol: thing, I think.
• 28:56
  Maria Pena: Some kind of octopusy, octopus kind of stuff.
• 29:00
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah, yeah. Teddy goes.
• 29:04
  Maria Pena: Where did that come from?
• 29:05
  Tad Eggleston: Though maybe the story's not quite over.
• 29:08
  Maria Pena: Maybe, maybe they're a little grabber.
• 29:13
  Maria Pena: Yeah, it was cute.
• 29:15
  Tad Eggleston: It was. And then the Venus story is… creepy.
• 29:21
  Maria Pena: Wow.
• 29:22
  Tad Eggleston: That morning, I woke up, and everything was different.
• 29:26
  Tad Eggleston: I couldn't find any clothes, so I stayed in my pajamas.
• 29:30
  Tad Eggleston: My slippers weren't the same either, but I like them better than my real ones.
• 29:36
  Maria Pena: They look like duck fat.
• 29:38
  Tad Eggleston: Like duck feet.
• 29:40
  Maria Pena: My room is so distorted.
• 29:43
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, my bedroom door was locked. I had to think of a different way out. I was out of the house, sneaky as a cat.
• 29:51
  Tad Eggleston: The morning air was cool and crisp, just the way I wish it was all year round.
• 29:57
  Tad Eggleston: When I landed, there was Henderson stuck inside a tree.
• 30:02
  Tad Eggleston: So, who's Henderson?
• 30:05
  Tad Eggleston: Surgeon, it's an artist, but I don't… off the top of my head, I don't remember who Henderson is, though. I feel like it might be somebody from measles.
• 30:14
  Tad Eggleston: Now that I think.
• 30:15
  Maria Pena: Oh, I see.
• 30:17
  Maria Pena: Oh yeah, that makes sense.
• 30:19
  Tad Eggleston: Not this issue, though.
• 30:21
  Marisol: Yeah, it's like, wasn't, like, Sam Henderson the guy.
• 30:25
  Tad Eggleston: That sounds right.
• 30:26
  Marisol: the ice capades that we saw.
• 30:28
  Marisol: Alright. Well, and there's a reason that I think that, so we'll continue reading here.
• 30:34
  Tad Eggleston: He looked very embarrassed. I decided to move on. I sure didn't want him to feel any worse than he already did.
• 30:42
  Tad Eggleston: Wood ring.
• 30:44
  Tad Eggleston: Jim would ring.
• 30:45
  Tad Eggleston: I'm assuming.
• 30:47
  Tad Eggleston: Stop me for direction. Jim Woodring did, Frank?
• 30:54
  Tad Eggleston: It's a… it's a… it's a comic from this era.
• 30:57
  Maria Pena: Oh, good.
• 30:58
  Tad Eggleston: And I know, I know Natalia is a… is a fan.
• 31:05
  Maria Pena: Okay.
• 31:06
  Tad Eggleston: Stop me for directions. He was looking for a better mousetrap.
• 31:10
  Tad Eggleston: He decided to continue his search at a much slower pace.
• 31:14
  Maria Pena: So he melted down.
• 31:16
  Tad Eggleston: He melted, yeah. I began to feel hungry. Wiseman was still selling cupcakes on the street.
• 31:24
  Tad Eggleston: I don't have any money, he said. I could sing for a cupcake. I sang What a Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood.
• 31:32
  Tad Eggleston: Suerte.
• 31:33
  Tad Eggleston: shouted from a passing airplane to keep the noise down before I knew it.
• 31:39
  Tad Eggleston: All that was left were two cupcakes.
• 31:42
  Tad Eggleston: I couldn't decide between them, because then I'd feel sorry for the one I'd have to leave behind.
• 31:50
  Maria Pena: It was the two Hernandez brothers who've been missing for 6 weeks.
• 31:55
  Maria Pena: Oh, they're in there. In the cupcake.
• 31:59
  Tad Eggleston: Yep, yep. I put them where I knew they'd be safe. No cats could bother them there.
• 32:05
  Tad Eggleston: Inside the house, Ryan was waiting for the World Cup to come on TV. The channel kept changing by itself over and over.
• 32:14
  Tad Eggleston: That eerie electrical sound he makes sent me back to my adventure for the day.
• 32:19
  Tad Eggleston: Looked like the police were closer to solving the case of the vandalized Altergot studio.
• 32:25
  Tad Eggleston: Officer Trondheim ordered me to back off, as there might be trouble in the plumbing.
• 32:33
  Tad Eggleston: I told him and told him to leave the place alone because Dr. Altergott liked to fix his own plumbing. As usual, that Officer Trondheim.
• 32:43
  Tad Eggleston: cried to get his way. It's a Lewis Trondheim reference.
• 32:49
  Tad Eggleston: Was that Dr. Althargott leaving the scene in disguise? Maybe Reynolds would know what was going on. His studio is easy to find because of the miniature helicopters at the door.
• 33:02
  Tad Eggleston: Nobody was there, of course. Why does he bother with the place if nobody ever stays there for more than a few minutes at a time?
• 33:10
  Tad Eggleston: I was beginning to ask too many questions. Logic was no tool for a time like this. I needed pliers.
• 33:19
  Tad Eggleston: The whole time Reynolds was on the corner, singing up people… signing up people to vote. He pretended he didn't see me. I pretended in return.
• 33:30
  Tad Eggleston: I remembered I had credit at Bordeaux's taco Stand. While I ate my huevos con Carrizo breakfast.
• 33:38
  Tad Eggleston: She was so excited to talk about the cloudy weather and the destructive rains to come, and I love that the taco stand is also a wolfman.
• 33:47
  Maria Pena: Superhole.
• 33:50
  Maria Pena: That's great.
• 33:51
  Tad Eggleston: I had scarred long enough. It was time to face the music.
• 33:55
  Tad Eggleston: And get to the office. There they would have the key to my bedroom door.
• 34:02
  Tad Eggleston: The third Hernandez brother, there are two more, not in the comic book business, was guarding the front entrance. How to get in.
• 34:12
  Maria Pena: There's a scenario, for example.
• 34:16
  Tad Eggleston: The wood ring methods seemed to be the best way all around.
• 34:20
  Tad Eggleston: I don't think.
• 34:21
  Maria Pena: Oh.
• 34:22
  Tad Eggleston: His brother was even awake when I passed by him.
• 34:25
  Tad Eggleston: Upon entering the office, I noticed frantic…
• 34:29
  Tad Eggleston: Scratching noises, like those of a mouse trying to find its way out of a woodpile.
• 34:35
  Marisol: I love that they made Mario look like the face on the Pringles cans.
• 34:39
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah,
• 34:40
  Maria Pena: Hand…
• 34:41
  Marisol: Little mustache.
• 34:43
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 34:45
  Tad Eggleston: It was Bag, racking his brain, trying to meet a deadline. He stopped when he noticed me and stared like I had stolen something from him.
• 34:55
  Tad Eggleston: Everything I had on me was mine. Even my slippers were back to their original fit.
• 35:02
  Tad Eggleston: In the office, proper… And Tom, yeah, growth.
• 35:08
  Maria Pena: Gary.
• 35:09
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, that's right.
• 35:10
  Maria Pena: Right?
• 35:10
  Tad Eggleston: And Kim Thompson.
• 35:12
  Tad Eggleston: We're fixing a fax machine. I entered with bated breath. I asked for the key to my bedroom. They only began to laugh.
• 35:21
  Tad Eggleston: Why didn't I just use the wood ring method to slip under the door? I was too embarrassed to answer.
• 35:28
  Tad Eggleston: Embarrassed, like Henderson, stuck in the tree. Like Altergott, about that plumbing problem. Like Reynolds soliciting voters.
• 35:37
  Tad Eggleston: Thinking fast, I raced and grabbed the key, and was out of the office before you could say zip.
• 35:44
  Tad Eggleston: I got home with a few distractions and made it back to the bedroom without a hitch. The key was as pretty as I remembered.
• 35:52
  Tad Eggleston: Into the lock, the key disappeared. I could smell the cupcakes mom was baking, and I heard my little sister singing, along with Mr. Rogers.
• 36:02
  Maria Pena: I love that.
• 36:04
  Marisol: So cute.
• 36:06
  Maria Pena: I wish I knew all the references to comic…
• 36:09
  Marisol: I know.
• 36:10
  Maria Pena: Facebook.
• 36:10
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 36:11
  Maria Pena: But… but I, you know, it's cool.
• 36:14
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, what I can say is, like, I recognize enough of them that I'm certain that every one is a reference, so…
• 36:21
  Maria Pena: Yeah, yeah.
• 36:24
  Tad Eggleston: I'm gonna have to, at some point, make the list and Google the names.
• 36:27
  Maria Pena: Yeah, exactly.
• 36:30
  Tad Eggleston: Yep, there's Sam Henderson, and he's the one that did the Capricious canine.
• 36:35
  Maria Pena: Yes.
• 36:37
  Maria Pena: And she was very funny.
• 36:39
  Tad Eggleston: Jim… Jim Woodring did Professor Eggrod.
• 36:43
  Maria Pena: Rico.
• 36:43
  Tad Eggleston: issue. Rick Altergott did the boomerang. Lewis Trendheim did Space on the Loose.
• 36:50
  Maria Pena: Steven Weissman?
• 36:51
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I was literally going through the people who helped with the back issues.
• 36:56
  Marisol: Yeah, yeah.
• 36:58
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 36:58
  Maria Pena: And this, and… yeah.
• 37:01
  Marisol: Nice.
• 37:02
  Maria Pena: Hmm, cool.
• 37:06
  Maria Pena: I love it. That was great. That was fun.
• 37:08
  Tad Eggleston: And that was the final issue of measles.
• 37:13
  Tad Eggleston: So… Let's talk some favorite panels. And then next time.
• 37:21
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, there are a couple of different ways… I mean, if we… if we want to keep having both, we're going to have to continue reading two issues for a while, so we'll be starting Love and Rockets Volume 2 next time, because that's where we'll find some Jaime. Do we want to try to get…
• 37:37
  Tad Eggleston: caught up with Beto faster, especially since we just discovered that the first four issues of Luba and her family had already been going on simultaneously.
• 37:47
  Marisol: I know, right?
• 37:48
  Tad Eggleston: So do we…
• 37:50
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 37:50
  Tad Eggleston: like, Luba number 8 and Luba and her family number one, or do we want to… or, I'm sorry, Luba number 9, or do we want to just stick to 2 at a time, and do Luba number 9, Luba number 10, and then go back and do the Luba and her family?
• 38:04
  Maria Pena: It might… it might be an idea, because they're… they'll… otherwise, the… the storylines might not match.
• 38:12
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 38:13
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, then she…
• 38:14
  Marisol: I think it's confusing.
• 38:16
  Maria Pena: Yeah, so maybe let's finish Luba, and then we can do.
• 38:19
  Tad Eggleston: And then go back to Lubin and her family.
• 38:21
  Maria Pena: Lunar family in order.
• 38:23
  Tad Eggleston: But we'll… but we'll also start.
• 38:26
  Maria Pena: is.
• 38:27
  Tad Eggleston: Volume 2.
• 38:28
  Maria Pena: Volume 2, yeah.
• 38:29
  Tad Eggleston: Man.
• 38:30
  Maria Pena: Oh, it's a lot of bed.
• 38:30
  Tad Eggleston: 20 issues of Volume 2?
• 38:35
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 38:36
  Tad Eggleston: And then on to news stories, and… And then volume.
• 38:40
  Maria Pena: Wow.
• 38:40
  Tad Eggleston: Then we gotta catch up on Albedo's…
• 38:45
  Tad Eggleston: in-world B-movies, starring Fritz. Oh, God.
• 38:51
  Marisol: I'll have to read.
• 38:53
  Tad Eggleston: We are officially… we are… well, we are officially at the point where we could be, like…
• 39:01
  Tad Eggleston: Reading just the issues within, like, the next…
• 39:07
  Tad Eggleston: Year and a half, depending on how many weeks we have to take off.
• 39:13
  Tad Eggleston: So, yeah.
• 39:17
  Maria Pena: It's been up.
• 39:18
  Tad Eggleston: Right, I'm loving it.
• 39:19
  Maria Pena: Good idea, yeah.
• 39:20
  Tad Eggleston: I don't… I don't necessarily… I'm not actually necessarily looking forward to keep it catching up, because that would mean that we're at a point where we only have to get together every, what, 4 months?
• 39:33
  Maria Pena: Yeah, yeah.
• 39:34
  Marisol: Yeah, so maybe, you know, this…
• 39:36
  Maria Pena: Yeah, let's not overdo it, you know?
• 39:38
  Tad Eggleston: No, we shouldn't overdo it. I just… I do like having something from both of them.
• 39:43
  Tad Eggleston: At 1.
• 39:44
  Marisol: Right.
• 39:47
  Tad Eggleston: And, you know, at some point, we might have to start rereading them where we do a storyline together, and talk about…
• 39:53
  Tad Eggleston: The difference between having
• 39:56
  Tad Eggleston: you know, how does, say, Death of Speedy feel different when you read it all together than…
• 40:03
  Tad Eggleston: Spread out over…
• 40:06
  Marisol: Several issues.
• 40:06
  Tad Eggleston: 10 weeks while you're also reading?
• 40:09
  Marisol: Beto stuff. How does Poison River feel when you read it together, rather than spread out over 12 weeks while you're also reading Jaime stuff? There… there are a million different ways that we can look at Love and Rockets.
• 40:24
  Tad Eggleston: We don't have to quit. That's all I'm saying.
• 40:31
  Marisol: Well, as for favorite panels, while we're here on measles number 8.
• 40:36
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, yeah, we have to have it, because that's…
• 40:38
  Marisol: Cover was my favorite, honestly.
• 40:41
  Tad Eggleston: The cover is… is great.
• 40:44
  Marisol: Yeah, because you got sis sunbathing, the kids making a sand sculpture of grandma.
• 40:52
  Marisol: while she's trying not to crash into it, and then you see Pop in the background.
• 40:58
  Maria Pena: Sweetie's pipes.
• 40:59
  Marisol: through the newspaper.
• 41:01
  Maria Pena: Yeah. He's a baby.
• 41:03
  Marisol: He's just sitting on his chest.
• 41:05
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 41:06
  Maria Pena: Great, great stuff.
• 41:09
  Tad Eggleston: It is a very good cover.
• 41:11
  Marisol: So cute.
• 41:13
  Maria Pena: Yeah, yeah, go on.
• 41:16
  Tad Eggleston: I… I could've… I could've picked that.
• 41:20
  Tad Eggleston: But I think I have to go with the pinballing…
• 41:24
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 41:26
  Tad Eggleston: slash head.
• 41:28
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 41:31
  Tad Eggleston: That's just… that's… It's like…
• 41:35
  Marisol: Too funny.
• 41:35
  Tad Eggleston: We're tuning at its best.
• 41:38
  Maria Pena: Yes.
• 41:39
  Maria Pena: And you can see the whole trajectory of everything, right?
• 41:42
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 41:44
  Tad Eggleston: the ocean.
• 41:44
  Maria Pena: Mine.
• 41:45
  Tad Eggleston: That's… I'm headed to Cartoon's Crossroads, and I'm excited… I'm always excited for that con, period, but the two exhibits right now at the Billy Ireland are Carol Tyler has an exhibit.
• 41:58
  Tad Eggleston: which I'm really looking forward to, and got to talk to her about it, so I'm looking forward to it even more. But the other exhibit is called Motion Lines, and it's just explaining… it's just exploring motion in comics across
• 42:13
  Tad Eggleston: years and genres, and countries, and I'm really looking forward to that.
• 42:19
  Maria Pena: So… Yeah.
• 42:21
  Tad Eggleston: Cool, yeah.
• 42:23
  Maria Pena: Is there… I mean, it's, you know, it's a language that… has transcended every…
• 42:32
  Maria Pena: every country that do comics, but also everybody does it a little bit different. You know, the European comics do it differently.
• 42:40
  Tad Eggleston: Right?
• 42:41
  Maria Pena: I… I think I'll pick that… that crazy house with the windows.
• 42:50
  Maria Pena: panel, just because I love that.
• 42:51
  Marisol: Fun one.
• 42:53
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 42:54
  Maria Pena: And I love that the… the…
• 42:57
  Maria Pena: the speeches coming from the top of the house, and they're flying around. It's just… just a… I just love that house. That's cool.
• 43:05
  Maria Pena: Gotta have interesting architecture.
• 43:08
  Tad Eggleston: It's like a beehive with… Round windows that have… Really weird interior frames.
• 43:18
  Maria Pena: Yeah, yeah.
• 43:20
  Tad Eggleston: Because they're not quite… Straight.
• 43:23
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 43:24
  Maria Pena: And then…
• 43:26
  Tad Eggleston: Crazy that all the windows different.
• 43:28
  Marisol: Yep.
• 43:29
  Maria Pena: Yep.
• 43:30
  Maria Pena: And I love the parallel lines that he's drawn, and their hand, you know, they'll…
• 43:34
  Tad Eggleston: Right. The beehive part itself is completely clean and straight and whatnot, and then the windows…
• 43:41
  Marisol: And you just have this…
• 43:42
  Tad Eggleston: Amazing.
• 43:42
  Marisol: Randomly sized windows.
• 43:45
  Maria Pena: Yeah. I mean, there's some really nice inking in that.
• 43:49
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah.
• 43:50
  Maria Pena: I would have messed it up if I'd tried that.
• 43:53
  Tad Eggleston: Dang.
• 43:55
  Maria Pena: Yeah, so, yeah, I'm pretty happy with that.
• 43:59
  Tad Eggleston: Alright, so I am actually gonna say that my favorite Beto is also from this issue.
• 44:07
  Tad Eggleston: Where was it?
• 44:14
  Tad Eggleston: It was a Venus moment that was just so good when I went by it.
• 44:20
  Marisol: Hmm.
• 44:24
  Tad Eggleston: Listen.
• 44:25
  Tad Eggleston: Maybe slash?
• 44:33
  Tad Eggleston: Maybe it was Lash's issue.
• 44:38
  Tad Eggleston: Damn.
• 44:39
  Tad Eggleston: So let's… Let's go back into… I mean, do you guys know what we're looking for for.
• 44:47
  Tad Eggleston: roll.
• 44:48
  Maria Pena: No, not yet, I'm kind of quickly looking through the loop bar.
• 44:53
  Maria Pena: Because.
• 44:54
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, no, that's right. The one I love is the one where… the cookie is…
• 45:02
  Maria Pena: The foreground.
• 45:05
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 45:07
  Maria Pena: Yeah, that's cool.
• 45:08
  Maria Pena: Cookie POV. Cookie over the shoulder of the cookie, we would call it.
• 45:13
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 45:14
  Maria Pena: in, in, in… Bookie OTS. Right.
• 45:19
  Marisol: It makes me want a cookie, it looks so good.
• 45:22
  Tad Eggleston: It does.
• 45:23
  Tad Eggleston: It does.
• 45:25
  Marisol: I don't have any chocolate chip cookies.
• 45:31
  Maria Pena: Fairly.
• 45:33
  Maria Pena: Well, I like the, the opening of,
• 45:37
  Maria Pena: Luba, the Luba story with the sex club, and the… all the characters standing there with their cool outfits, and
• 45:48
  Maria Pena: boots in her little leather outfit. I thought that was cool.
• 45:51
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, that was…
• 45:55
  Maria Pena: It's pretty cool. I liked it.
• 45:57
  Tad Eggleston: That was definitely…
• 45:59
  Maria Pena: Great. The bottom half of the first page here, yeah.
• 46:04
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 46:05
  Marisol: Oh, yeah.
• 46:08
  Maria Pena: All the different types of shoes, and that… that lady with her.
• 46:13
  Maria Pena: She kind of looks like more t-shirt or something at the bottom there.
• 46:16
  Marisol: Yeah, like a full body something.
• 46:19
  Maria Pena: Very cool.
• 46:22
  Maria Pena: I picked that.
• 46:24
  Marisol: I'll have to say for this, my favorite panels are the three panels.
• 46:29
  Marisol: I don't remember what page, but where we do the, close up onto boots.
• 46:36
  Tad Eggleston: Let's sad.
• 46:37
  Maria Pena: Oh, yes.
• 46:38
  Marisol: before.
• 46:38
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, that was probably my runner-up.
• 46:42
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 46:43
  Tad Eggleston: Totally my, my, my bet.
• 46:45
  Marisol: I love…
• 46:46
  Tad Eggleston: Runner up.
• 46:47
  Marisol: Boots's expressions.
• 46:49
  Tad Eggleston: They're both so great at doing triptychs.
• 46:53
  Maria Pena: Yeah, the other triptych that was great was the, the, the Ophelia one, which is young, you know, middle-aged and all…
• 47:00
  Marisol: Hmm.
• 47:01
  Maria Pena: Luba the same thing, like, I thought that was… that was… that was great storytelling.
• 47:07
  Maria Pena: Anyone.
• 47:08
  Marisol: That was my runner-up.
• 47:10
  Marisol: Because I loved that transition.
• 47:12
  Tad Eggleston: Or she's just…
• 47:13
  Marisol: Basically saying the same thing throughout all these years, and she just gets older in each panel.
• 47:20
  Maria Pena: Yeah, and obviously Luba's not listening.
• 47:25
  Tad Eggleston: Alrighty.
• 47:27
  Tad Eggleston: Let's go look at Mario's story.
• 47:32
  Maria Pena: I am the teacher Mario Panwei.
• 47:40
  Maria Pena: Yep, 3 favorites.
• 47:45
  Maria Pena: Oh, awesome.
• 47:47
  Tad Eggleston: Issue 7 was an issue 6.
• 47:49
  Maria Pena: I think that, that cave one was great, the, the monster of the cave.
• 47:54
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 47:56
  Maria Pena: I think that's my favorite.
• 47:59
  Maria Pena: If I may take that one.
• 48:02
  Tad Eggleston: You may… I'm not gonna guarantee that I'm not gonna take it with you, but I'll see you.
• 48:08
  Tad Eggleston: everyone.
• 48:12
  Maria Pena: Because I think that's the clearest…
• 48:15
  Maria Pena: You know, Mario can be a bit confusing in his, setting up of the stuff. That's very clear, right?
• 48:24
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and I just… I love the dialogue there.
• 48:28
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 48:28
  Tad Eggleston: Give me a good glib and EAT SOME CAKE!
• 48:35
  Marisol: It just shrinks back down.
• 48:48
  Tad Eggleston: It gets your feet up.
• 48:50
  Tad Eggleston: Stable is possible for me.
• 48:53
  Maria Pena: It's very cute.
• 48:55
  Maria Pena: He's using some of the 22 panels.
• 48:59
  Tad Eggleston: techniques there with the silhouettes, and… Definitely.
• 49:11
  Tad Eggleston: My new boots ran away.
• 49:14
  Tad Eggleston: I think I'm actually gonna go with this… this…
• 49:18
  Maria Pena: That's sweet.
• 49:19
  Tad Eggleston: here.
• 49:21
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 49:22
  Marisol: The speedy slower.
• 49:23
  Tad Eggleston: Boots are running away.
• 49:25
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 49:28
  Maria Pena: Phew!
• 49:32
  Maria Pena: Yeah, that's good.
• 49:36
  Marisol: That's a good one.
• 49:44
  Marisol: I'll… I'll actually agree with Maria, the monster cave.
• 49:48
  Marisol: And eat some cake. It's probably my favorite panel of the story.
• 49:52
  Tad Eggleston: Do you know, I literally chose this panel
• 49:57
  Tad Eggleston: Just cause I had a feeling that it'd be all three of us picking to eat some.
• 50:03
  Marisol: There you go.
• 50:04
  Tad Eggleston: I didn't. Yeah.
• 50:07
  Marisol: Hey, it happens sometimes!
• 50:09
  Maria Pena: Yeah, it does, I mean…
• 50:10
  Tad Eggleston: No, it totally does. We had a…
• 50:13
  Maria Pena: No, in the joint.
• 50:14
  Tad Eggleston: For… for… for the…
• 50:23
  Tad Eggleston: for the… Heavy Metal Book Club, we actually do a…
• 50:30
  Tad Eggleston: best ongoing story, a best story, and a best panel. And we had an episode recently, and part of it was that the particular issue of heavy metal was kind of mediocre.
• 50:43
  Tad Eggleston: But another part of it was that there was just a, like, clear answer in all three categories. So despite the fact that there are four of us.
• 50:51
  Tad Eggleston: We had the same answer on every.
• 50:54
  Marisol: Nice.
• 50:57
  Tad Eggleston: So… yeah.
• 51:01
  Tad Eggleston: Well, that was fun. I'm looking forward to getting… into, like…
• 51:10
  Tad Eggleston: more traditional Love & Rockets issues again.
• 51:14
  Maria Pena: I really enjoyed…
• 51:14
  Marisol: I miss them.
• 51:15
  Maria Pena: your reading of the Venus story, it was fun.
• 51:18
  Tad Eggleston: Well, you know, I mean, maybe that's what we'll do sometime in the future, once we've caught up. We'll choose our favorite stories and just do read-alongs.
• 51:27
  Tad Eggleston: And, or, we'll ask them if we can do what we do with Santos Sisters, and we'll start making audio plays.
• 51:34
  Maria Pena: Oh, Lord.
• 51:39
  Maria Pena: We can try that. Yeah, we'll figure it out.
• 51:41
  Marisol: You don't sound too sure about that one.
• 51:45
  Maria Pena: I'm not an actress, not an actress.
• 51:51
  Tad Eggleston: So, I promised my wife breakfast, so it's already more brunch, but that's as much because of the washing machine being delivered, but I, we should wrap up.
• 52:04
  Tad Eggleston: It's so good to be back, and unfortunately, it'll be two weeks again, except that fortunately, because, you know, Cartoon Crossroads is next weekend, and, like, Maria, when it's safe to come back to the United States ever, Cartoon Crossroads is one of the things worth coming for.
• 52:21
  Tad Eggleston: One day you'll have to come down with me to Columbus, because it's…
• 52:27
  Tad Eggleston: it's just something else. I don't even know how to describe it. It's the one I like the most, though I've been told I need to get to HeroesCon in North Carolina, too, which is a little bit more superhero heavy, but…
• 52:40
  Tad Eggleston: But still, one of the cons that's focused… On comics, rather than…
• 52:48
  Maria Pena: Mmm.
• 52:50
  Tad Eggleston: pop culture.
• 52:51
  Marisol: Right.
• 52:52
  Tad Eggleston: This year is actually the first Comics Crossroads I've been to where…
• 52:58
  Tad Eggleston: There is a keynote that's not strictly
• 53:02
  Tad Eggleston: Comics, but it's because they've got the guy that, like.
• 53:08
  Tad Eggleston: was, like, led animation at Disney for, like, The Little Mermaid, and…
• 53:15
  Marisol: Oh, wow.
• 53:16
  Maria Pena: So it's very much cartoons.
• 53:18
  Tad Eggleston: Cartoons in, like, a classic motion cartoon sense.
• 53:23
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 53:23
  Marisol: Nice.
• 53:24
  Tad Eggleston: It's not, like… Oh, we've got this, do your meet and greet!
• 53:31
  Tad Eggleston: Which, I don't wanna… I don't want… some people like those, I don't actually totally… I don't necessarily want to be, like, completely bashing them, but, like, it's one of those things that's never made sense to me. Let me pay an extra 50 bucks so that I can stand in line for 2 hours to spend 5 seconds getting my picture taken with somebody.
• 53:51
  Marisol: Yep.
• 53:52
  Maria Pena: So you can say that you met them, yeah.
• 53:55
  Tad Eggleston: You know, I get the cosplay more than I get that, and even that, it's like, I would think that it would be more fun to be at a different thing, like a strictly cosplay thing, rather than having to share this space.
• 54:11
  Maria Pena: Mmm.
• 54:12
  Marisol: Right. You know what I mean? I get that.
• 54:15
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 54:15
  Maria Pena: Totally, yeah.
• 54:18
  Tad Eggleston: Also, I just.
• 54:19
  Maria Pena: Huh, okay.
• 54:20
  Tad Eggleston: I like manageable crowds.
• 54:22
  Tad Eggleston: And the more different things you have going on, the more the crowd just becomes…
• 54:27
  Marisol: Overwhelming.
• 54:28
  Tad Eggleston: For my autistic brain.
• 54:33
  Tad Eggleston: So, thank you guys so much.
• 54:36
  Tad Eggleston: And.
• 54:37
  Maria Pena: Oh, see you in two weeks.
• 54:39
  Tad Eggleston: For Maria Marisol and myself, this has been the Love & Rockets Book Club on 22 panels. And the 15th, in-between year… hey, it was even a nice… or no, I'm sorry, it's the 16th. I copied and pasted too much. Still a relatively round number.
• 54:58
  Tad Eggleston: 16th, in between years.
• 55:01
  Tad Eggleston: of… The Lovin' Rockets.
• 55:06
  Tad Eggleston: And…
• 55:07
  Maria Pena: universe.
• 55:08
  Tad Eggleston: Universe, and, and, and.
• 55:10
  Marisol: Next episode, we actually finally start Love & Rockets Volume 2, and I am looking forward to it. So until then… Really?
• 55:18
  Tad Eggleston: We will see… I'm very excited.
• 55:20
  Marisol: that.
• 55:21
  Tad Eggleston: After the next page.