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Five Fascinating Onboard UFO Encounters · UFOS & PARANORMAL WITH PRESTON DENNETT

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  Speaker 1: Hello everyone. My name is Preston Dennett, and welcome to
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  Speaker 1: a new episode of UFOs and the Parent Normal. Today's
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  Speaker 1: episode is called five Fascinating onboard UFO Encounters. I've said
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  Speaker 1: it many times. Every encounter I think has something to
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  Speaker 1: offer us, even if it's a simple sighting. And of
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  Speaker 1: course face to face encounters with humanoids are super interesting,
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  Speaker 1: but I have to say my favorite are onboard encounters.
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  Speaker 1: There's almost no chance of misperception involved in these cases.
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  Speaker 1: The person is not just seeing UFOs face to face
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  Speaker 1: or having a sighting. They are literally enveloped by the
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  Speaker 1: UFO phenomena. This is something that they can see, feel, here,
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  Speaker 1: taste all of it. So these are very important cases.
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  Speaker 1: These are the cases that really have the most to
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  Speaker 1: offer us in terms of understanding what ET contact is like,
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  Speaker 1: the ET agenda, why they're here, and so forth. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I love these cases. I've got five that I've chosen
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  Speaker 1: for you today, reaching all over the world. So I've
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  Speaker 1: got a case from Puerto Rico, one from Spain, one
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  Speaker 1: from Brazil too, from the United States, and these are
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  Speaker 1: all cases which have some really interesting evidence to them
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  Speaker 1: as well. Different types of ets. They reach back to
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  Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties and move forward several decades. I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to start with the earliest one and move forward in time,
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  Speaker 1: and I hope you find them quite interesting, because these
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  Speaker 1: are not super well known cases. In fact, you might
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  Speaker 1: not have heard of them at all. We will see.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get started. The first case I want to talk
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  Speaker 1: about today I call the onboard encounter of Professor Jau
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  Speaker 1: de Fritis Guimarrees. This is a super interesting case because
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  Speaker 1: this is a witness who is really unimpeachable. He's a professor,
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  Speaker 1: he's a lawyer, he's a very intelligent person. He bravely
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  Speaker 1: stepped forward, not particularly voluntarily, but after his story was
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  Speaker 1: leaked out, after he shared it with some friends, and
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  Speaker 1: I think you'll find it quite compelling. It took place
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  Speaker 1: on July sixteenth, nineteen fifty six, in San Sebastijo, and
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  Speaker 1: this is in Brazil. Now. There does appear to be
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  Speaker 1: some minor confusion about the exact date of this encounter,
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  Speaker 1: but it was either June sixteenth, nineteen fifty six, or
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  Speaker 1: July sixteen. I'm thinking July sixteenth. In any case, the
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  Speaker 1: main witness is Jiao de Fritis Ui Mares, again, a
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  Speaker 1: well known respected and successful attorney and professor. And it
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  Speaker 1: was around seven point fifteen pm on the evening in
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  Speaker 1: question that Jiao was taking a walk along the beach
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  Speaker 1: in sau Sebastio. As you can see here, this is
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  Speaker 1: when he sat down on the sand and was just
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  Speaker 1: looking out over the stretch of water towards Illabella Island.
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  Speaker 1: And this is when he noticed a change over a
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  Speaker 1: certain section of ocean. Now this was a dark, overcast evening,
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  Speaker 1: and in this one section of water it suddenly became
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  Speaker 1: kind of clear. And this is when, without warning, a
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  Speaker 1: jet of water, which he likened to a water spout,
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  Speaker 1: appeared in that exact area. For a second, he thought
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  Speaker 1: it might be a whale, but moments later he changed
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  Speaker 1: his mind because a strange craft emerged from the water
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  Speaker 1: and immediately began to approach him. He said it was
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  Speaker 1: kind of disc shaped, or as he said, a pot
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  Speaker 1: bellied machine, and it moved right towards him, and in
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  Speaker 1: moments it came right up to him. Now he was
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  Speaker 1: too frightened to run, but he stood up and watched
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  Speaker 1: as this craft lowered down, extruding these sort of spherical
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  Speaker 1: landing path and came to rest directly on the beach. Immediately,
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  Speaker 1: a door opened and two tall figures emerged. Now looking
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  Speaker 1: at them, he says he wasn't sure they were men
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  Speaker 1: or women, but they were tall, fair skinned with no
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  Speaker 1: wrinkles on their skin, long blonde hair, and eyes that
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  Speaker 1: he described as quote light colored and tranquil. Both were
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  Speaker 1: wearing one piece green jumpsuits, and they walked right up
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  Speaker 1: to him, and Jiao, now seeing their beautiful appearance, felt
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  Speaker 1: his fear leaving him and speaking Portuguese, his native language,
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  Speaker 1: Jiao asked them if they had suffered some kind of
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  Speaker 1: accident or if they were looking for someone now. They
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  Speaker 1: didn't answer, so he repeated his question, first in English,
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  Speaker 1: then in French, and then in Italian, and at this
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  Speaker 1: point the figures began to gesture for him to come
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  Speaker 1: on board, and at the same time, he felt like
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  Speaker 1: they were inviting him on board telepathically. He got a
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  Speaker 1: really strong mental impression. One of the figures turned and
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  Speaker 1: began walking towards the ship, and Jiao felt like they
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  Speaker 1: wanted him to follow, and he was intensely curious to
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  Speaker 1: see the inside of this strange machine, so he followed.
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  Speaker 1: The first figure walked inside, Jiao followed, and the second
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  Speaker 1: figure came in right behind him. Now inside there was
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  Speaker 1: a third figure. Jiao says that the interior of the
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  Speaker 1: craft was very brightly lit. As soon as he got
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  Speaker 1: inside the door closed, he saw portholes, and he went
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  Speaker 1: and he looked out the portholes on the side of
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  Speaker 1: the craft, and he could see that they were immediately
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  Speaker 1: taking off. There were some circular seats in the center
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  Speaker 1: of the room, so he sat down. At this point
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  Speaker 1: he started to feel a little bit unwell. He said.
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  Speaker 1: He felt some pain and coldness in his arms and legs,
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  Speaker 1: which he attributed, actually Juett to just nervous tension. He
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  Speaker 1: admits he's a slightly nervous guy. But looking out this porthole,
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  Speaker 1: he was surprised to see rain droplets suddenly hitting the window.
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  Speaker 1: Hadn't been raining previously, so this confused him a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: and he asked them is it raining, And they spoke
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  Speaker 1: to him telepathically and said no, that this wasn't rain,
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  Speaker 1: but it was the rotation of their craft that was
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  Speaker 1: causing moisture to appear. And Jaau still looking out the
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  Speaker 1: window and started seeing some really interesting things. As he
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  Speaker 1: says in his own words, I noticed that at a
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  Speaker 1: certain point in the journey through the windows, we passed
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  Speaker 1: through an intensely dark area in which the stars shone extraordinarily,
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  Speaker 1: followed by regions swarmed with stars. New black areas followed
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  Speaker 1: until we crossed a brilliant violet layer when the device
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  Speaker 1: suffered strong shocks. So he could feel a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of shaking in the craft, and he felt some fear
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  Speaker 1: because of this, and the being immediately replied again telepathically,
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  Speaker 1: the device has just left the atmosphere on your planet.
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  Speaker 1: So Jao is amazed. Looking around, he could see that
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  Speaker 1: there were other compartments or rooms in the room where
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  Speaker 1: he was. He did see a strange device, which he
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  Speaker 1: said was kind of like a circular device with three
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  Speaker 1: moving needles, And as they were leaving the atmosphere and
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  Speaker 1: the crafts are shaking, these needles began to vibrate intensely.
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  Speaker 1: Now the beings noticed his interest and explained that the
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  Speaker 1: craft was being propelled forward along the magnetic field lines
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  Speaker 1: of our planet, and that the instrument he was looking
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  Speaker 1: at measured that. Now through the windows at some point
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  Speaker 1: he saw kinds of things which he had difficulty describing,
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  Speaker 1: various astronomical bodies of different colors, iridescent clouds at one point.
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  Speaker 1: Other things he found difficult to describe, particularly the technology
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  Speaker 1: he saw inside the craft. He said it was totally
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  Speaker 1: beyond his comprehension, and that when people asked him about it,
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  Speaker 1: he's like, you know, I don't know what to tell you.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't understand it. Now, he did ask these beings
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  Speaker 1: where they came from, but they didn't answer. However, they
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  Speaker 1: showed him twelve constellations kind of making up the zodiac,
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  Speaker 1: and told him that they desired to contact him again
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  Speaker 1: one year later. They gave him an exact date, August twelveth,
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  Speaker 1: nineteen fifty seven. And he also had the impression that
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  Speaker 1: the ets were warning him of the various dangers threatening humanity,
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  Speaker 1: particularly humanity's savage nature and the indiscriminate use of atomic weapons,
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  Speaker 1: which they said would have disastrous effects upon the Earth's
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  Speaker 1: atmosphere and its ability to protect us from cosmic radiation.
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  Speaker 1: So this was a pretty quick experience. It went fairly quickly,
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  Speaker 1: and before he knew it, the trip was over. The
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  Speaker 1: craft landed, he was returned to the spot where he
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  Speaker 1: was taken. He did notice that his watch stopped as
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  Speaker 1: soon as he went on board, and he learned later
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  Speaker 1: that about forty minutes had elapsed. And at first and
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  Speaker 1: he went home, he told nobody about his wife. However,
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  Speaker 1: this experience really consumed him and as the months passed
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  Speaker 1: he was still thinking about it, and he decided to
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  Speaker 1: share it with a few colleagues, and soon the story
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  Speaker 1: leaked out to the press and Jao found himself being
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  Speaker 1: besieged by reporters. In fact, his account did appear in
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  Speaker 1: several newspapers, and when it was learned that the ets
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  Speaker 1: were planning to return on August twelve for a return visit,
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  Speaker 1: Jao was actually approached by a friend and told not
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  Speaker 1: to go as he had learned that the Brazilian government
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  Speaker 1: were planning to intercept any craft with Air Force jets,
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  Speaker 1: wanting to put the ETS in any jeopardy because he
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  Speaker 1: felt they were very friendly, Jao decided not to go
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  Speaker 1: to the area or this second meaning. However, he did
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  Speaker 1: report another encounter in June of nineteen eighty five at Gonzaga,
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  Speaker 1: which is near the same area, and he said again
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  Speaker 1: he was walking on the beach when a large oval
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  Speaker 1: shaped craft landed, A door opened, and this time four
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  Speaker 1: humanoids stepped out and they were different looking from the
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  Speaker 1: human looking ones he saw initially. He says they were tall,
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  Speaker 1: but had bald heads and wore skin tight silver jumpsuits.
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  Speaker 1: Two of the four approached Jiao, two remained back. He
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  Speaker 1: noticed immediately that they had their arms crossed over their
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  Speaker 1: chests in kind of a weird way, and he asked
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  Speaker 1: him why they were doing that, and they told him,
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  Speaker 1: apparently telepathically, that the energy that they exuded could be
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  Speaker 1: harmful to humans, and that was essentially it, or at
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  Speaker 1: least that's all Jiao shared, because he says the beings
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  Speaker 1: at this point just turned around, climbed back on board,
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  Speaker 1: and the craft took off. Now, Jiao said he was
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  Speaker 1: interviewed by high ranking officials from the Brazilian military who
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  Speaker 1: showed great interest in his case, and he was also
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  Speaker 1: shown photographs of some UFOs, some very well known photographs,
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  Speaker 1: including the famous Trinidad Island photographs, and he was really
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  Speaker 1: impressed by those because he said they showed what was
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  Speaker 1: pretty much the same craft he had seen and been
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  Speaker 1: taken on board. What an interesting case that is for
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  Speaker 1: so many reasons. I mean, the fact that he saw
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  Speaker 1: this object coming out of the water. I find that fascinating.
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  Speaker 1: The appearance of the ets being pretty much perfectly human
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  Speaker 1: is also really interesting. Or promised to visit him again,
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  Speaker 1: which he didn't do out of fear for the ets themselves,
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  Speaker 1: the warnings they gave him, the messages, this all alignance
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  Speaker 1: to what so many other people have reported. It's a
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  Speaker 1: super fascinating case and I think an important one, which
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  Speaker 1: is why I wanted to include it in this episode.
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  Speaker 1: And now we moved to another case which is not
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  Speaker 1: super well known but certainly got a lot of attention
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  Speaker 1: at the time, and I call this one the onboard
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  Speaker 1: encounters of Lydia Stallnecker. And she began having experiences as
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  Speaker 1: a very young girl. So actually this is quite a
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  Speaker 1: few encounters that she experienced throughout the nineteen fifties up
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  Speaker 1: through the nineteen seventies, primarily in Jacksonville, Florida. But her
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  Speaker 1: case is super interesting. It's been very well researched by
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  Speaker 1: professional researchers. There are outside witnesses, there are some very
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  Speaker 1: interesting physiological effects, and even more interesting to me are
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  Speaker 1: the psychic psychic effects. As we shall see, this case
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  Speaker 1: is again very complex, quite extensive, involving multiple witnesses, but
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  Speaker 1: does center around a Jacksonville, Florida woman by the name
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  Speaker 1: of Lydia Stallnacker. Her case was investigated by James Harder, PhD,
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  Speaker 1: a very well respected researcher, one of the few scientists
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  Speaker 1: of his time to take a serious look at the
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  Speaker 1: UFO phenomenon. Now, this case was also covered in depth
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  Speaker 1: in the book Direct Encounters by Judith and Alan Gansberg.
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  Speaker 1: And it was one afternoon in nineteen fifty five Lydia,
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  Speaker 1: then age nine, had her first encounter. She was out
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  Speaker 1: walking near her home in Jacksonville with her two siblings
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  Speaker 1: when they all saw a flash of light. This was
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  Speaker 1: immediately followed by the appearance of a very strange man.
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  Speaker 1: And when they first saw this light in this figure
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  Speaker 1: walking towards them, they, being somewhat religious, thought it was
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  Speaker 1: the Lord coming to visit them. But then they saw
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  Speaker 1: this man who was wearing a jumpsuit and what looked
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  Speaker 1: like a black cape, but he had a very pale face,
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  Speaker 1: very unusual looking, and it kind of reversed their opinion
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  Speaker 1: and became quite brightened and fled the area. They ran
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  Speaker 1: straight home, and it was the next few days and
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  Speaker 1: weeks that Lydia started having weird nightmares and It was
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  Speaker 1: years later and after several other encounters, that she ended
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  Speaker 1: up going under hypnosis with doctor James Harder. She was,
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  Speaker 1: of course taken back to this childhood incident, and she
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  Speaker 1: recalled that this man approached her kind of grabbed her
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  Speaker 1: by the shoulder. Next thing she knows, she's being taken
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  Speaker 1: on board this craft, where she did see other children.
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  Speaker 1: She didn't say whether or not these were her siblings,
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  Speaker 1: but she found herself in a strange kind of semi
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  Speaker 1: circular room. She saw weird panels that were different colors.
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  Speaker 1: She was seated in a chair that was sort of
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  Speaker 1: part of the room itself. She said, a device of
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  Speaker 1: some kind was placed over her head. She felt like
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  Speaker 1: the ets were sort of pulling thoughts from her mind. Now.
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  Speaker 1: She couldn't see much at this point, but once this
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  Speaker 1: helmet or this device was removed, she saw a short, bald,
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  Speaker 1: human looking man standing in front of her. He addressed
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  Speaker 1: her by her name, Lydia, and told her that she
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  Speaker 1: had been chosen by them and that they would return
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  Speaker 1: for more visits with her, which they did, and this
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  Speaker 1: turned out to be the first of at least four
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  Speaker 1: on board encounters. The second occurred many years later, almost twenty,
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  Speaker 1: and it was around nine pm one evening in August
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  Speaker 1: of nineteen seventy four. Lydia was then twenty eight years old,
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  Speaker 1: was driving in a rural area just north of Jacksonville, Florida,
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  Speaker 1: on Highway one, and she saw I saw a strange
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  Speaker 1: shining object alongside the road and pulled into a nearby
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  Speaker 1: parking lot to take a closer look. Now, she first
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  Speaker 1: thought it might be a crashing helicopter, though as she
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  Speaker 1: pulled over she could see it clearly wasn't and no
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  Speaker 1: sooner had she pulled over when another car pulled up
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  Speaker 1: next to hers, she saw a man inside who seemed
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  Speaker 1: vaguely familiar to her, though she couldn't say who it was,
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  Speaker 1: but they both got out of their car and were
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  Speaker 1: looking at this object as it got lower and lower
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  Speaker 1: and landed behind some nearby trees. She turned to this
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  Speaker 1: guy and asked him if he had seen the UFO,
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  Speaker 1: and he said yes, And then he said something really unusual.
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  Speaker 1: He says, they keep the time. She thought that was
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  Speaker 1: a weird thing to say, but she had the impression
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  Speaker 1: that this gentleman, whoever he was, knew that the UFO
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  Speaker 1: was going to be there. She took a closer look
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  Speaker 1: at this guy, and she said he was a little
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  Speaker 1: bit shorter than average Italian, kind of Asian looking, with
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  Speaker 1: dark skin, and he persuaded her to get into his
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  Speaker 1: car so they could try to get a closer look.
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  Speaker 1: She surprised herself by accepting this invitation and got in
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  Speaker 1: the car, but as soon as she did, she started
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  Speaker 1: to feel a little strange. She felt a strange, sort
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  Speaker 1: of suffocating feeling. Next thing she knew, there was a
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  Speaker 1: lapse in time, and suddenly it was midnight and the
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  Speaker 1: two of them were now driving on a different road
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  Speaker 1: towards Jacksonville. Now, the man denied any memory of seeing anything,
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  Speaker 1: and Lydia couldn't really talk about her or question him
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  Speaker 1: because she felt a little unwell. She had nausea and
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  Speaker 1: a headache, and she was quite confused about the missing time,
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  Speaker 1: so she just went home and shortly after this she
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  Speaker 1: began having dreams and kind of nightmare, she said, of
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  Speaker 1: lying on a table in a strange room and being
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  Speaker 1: examined by weird creatures, humanoids who clearly were not human.
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  Speaker 1: So again, years later, she did go under hypnosis and
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  Speaker 1: explored this incident like she did her childhood incident, and
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  Speaker 1: she did recall being taken on board this craft. She
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  Speaker 1: recalled being put on an examination table. She said she
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  Speaker 1: saw three different types of beings. One was tall, the
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  Speaker 1: bald head, kind of largish ears, but bright eyes, a
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  Speaker 1: very small nose and mouth, grayish skin. The other she
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  Speaker 1: couldn't really describe, but said it looked almost robotic. But
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  Speaker 1: the third, she said, was totally human, very much human looking, handsome,
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  Speaker 1: with tans skin. And they told her that she had
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  Speaker 1: been chosen because of her chemistry. And she said that
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  Speaker 1: while they were kind and reassuring, there was points of
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  Speaker 1: this examination that were unpleasant and even a little painful.
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  Speaker 1: That's all she really recalled. She said she was ill
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  Speaker 1: for several days afterwards, but she feels ultimately it was
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  Speaker 1: benevolent encounter because she noticed something else. She suddenly started
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  Speaker 1: experiencing all kinds of psychic events. She now, of course,
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  Speaker 1: wonders if the Italian Asian looking man she saw was
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  Speaker 1: one of the ets and that he was responsible for
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  Speaker 1: getting her into the UFO. She would later see him
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  Speaker 1: again in Jacksonville, but was not able to track him
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  Speaker 1: down or get any other information about him, And meanwhile,
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  Speaker 1: her contacts continued Her third major event occurred on August
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  Speaker 1: twenty six, nineteen seventy five, just one year later. Lydia
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  Speaker 1: was now employed as a businesswoman. She was driving between
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  Speaker 1: Jacksonville and Callahan with a male companion when they saw
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  Speaker 1: this bright flashing light over some nearby trees, and like before,
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  Speaker 1: she felt a weird physical sensation, some difficult breathing, some coldness.
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  Speaker 1: Her body began to shake. Next thing she knew, she
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  Speaker 1: passed out. She woke up sometime later. She's not sure
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  Speaker 1: how much later, but she was still in the driver's seat,
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  Speaker 1: but on a different road. She later estimated it was
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  Speaker 1: about three hours of missing time. Now under hypnosis with
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  Speaker 1: doctor Harder and also Gene Brunson, she did recall being
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  Speaker 1: taken onboard a craft. She found herself laying next to
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  Speaker 1: another woman. She said the ETS placed a device over
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  Speaker 1: her head. She passed out because there was movement on
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  Speaker 1: this table. But when she awoke, the ETS told her
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  Speaker 1: that she was now quote one of them, that the
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  Speaker 1: woman who was had been laying next to her was
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  Speaker 1: a part of her. So the ETS seemed very pleased
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  Speaker 1: with the results of this procedure, and that seemed to
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  Speaker 1: be the purpose of it. She was escorted from the
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  Speaker 1: craft and back into her car. Her friend, who was
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  Speaker 1: in the car prior to the incident was still there,
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  Speaker 1: though he was unconscious so he had no memory of
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  Speaker 1: any of this. She lost touch with him shortly later
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: and has not been able to track him down. So unfortunately,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: while he is in some respects of corroborating witness, she
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: has not been able to find him. She said, Following
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: this experience, she did start having some headaches, some really
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: strong emotional swings, and it was all of this which
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: caused her to first seek hypnosis. And she says also
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: after this experience, her psychic abilities increased even more and
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: now she couldn't deny it. I mean, she said she
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: was experiencing telepathy, reading other people's thoughts. She also began
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: to practice hands on healing. She also began to do
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: channeling with an entity, a female entity she called Antron,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: who she believes was the lady who had been placed
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: next to her inside the UFO and that they had
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: been connected somehow, and Antron started giving her messages about
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: preparing Earthlings for upcoming great catastrophes and basically started telling
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: her and others through her that at some point people
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: would likely be evacuated from Earth and taken to another
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: planet in the event of an existential crisis. So this
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: was followed shortly later by a fourth encounter on February seventh,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six, and on this occasion, Lydia says she
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: received a telepathic message from Antron to go to Little
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Talbot Island. This is near Jacksonville, and she was instructed
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: to wait on the pier. Now, she wasn't going to
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: go alone. She brought a male friend and they went there,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: and around ten pm, after waiting for ten minutes, this
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: white fog quickly enveloped the here, and she watched her
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: friend fall asleep, and she herself lost consciousness, and they
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: both woke up a few hours later. She said she
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: did feel a slight pain in her side. They went
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: back to the car. They remained there until three am,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: hoping something else would happen. Then suddenly the car began
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: to shake, as if by an invisible force. This frightened
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: them and certainly prompted them to leave the area. So later,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: under hypnosis, she recalled that both she and her friend
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: were taken on board. Now, her friend was unconscious from
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: beginning to end, so he couldn't validate this, but she
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: recalled being placed in a chair. She said there were
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: screen type things around. She was approached by a man
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: who then took her from the chair into what she
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: called or he did, a council room. There was a
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: U shaped table, She saw different types of humanoids. She
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: was placed in the center of this. You put a
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: strange black box next to her, and per Lydia, this
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: box began to show images on the screen all about
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: herself and events in her life. One of the humanoids
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: told her that things were quote going very well. They
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: told her they needed to do one more thing before
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: returning her. They took that box away, brought in another
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: black box, and Lydia was amazed to see sort of
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: X rays or holographs of her body on the screen.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: And she says at this point the ets implanted a
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: little buckshot shaped object, an implant, into her side. She
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: said there was no pain. They told her it was
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: an implant and that its purpose was to quote improve
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: connectivity and power. They told her it would be activated
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: in three or four weeks, and that was apparently the
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: purpose of this encounter, because they then returned her to
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: her car, now needless to see, these experiences completely changed
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Lydia's life. As Lydia says in her own words, when
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: they told me I had been on board a spacecraft,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: I was shocked. I didn't believe. It took me a
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: year to get it all out, and I still have flashbacks.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: I get tired of being made fun of, but God
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: and the aliens keep coming on. Sometimes it's just too
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: weird for me. It's really humiliating being made fun of
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: by the public. And I really feel for her because
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: she was one of very few people at that time
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: who was stepping forward to say that she had been
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: on board a UFO. Now, her case again was thoroughly
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: researched by doctor Harder, and as she says, I am
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: one of the five most documented UFO abduction cases in
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: the United States, which certainly may have been true at
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: that time, and James Harder absolutely endorsed her case, saying
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: that her story is quote true beyond and a reasonable doubt.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: I don't think she is faking, and in fact, she
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: took and passed lie detector tests. Now, Coral Lorenzen, when
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: contacted about Lydia Stallnacher, expressed some dismay that Lydia was
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: charging people thirty dollars to attend a healing seminar, and
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: that Lydia was profiting in other ways such as selling
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: T shirts and contact buttons. But she does say that
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: she does believe Lydia is a true contact deep. She says,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: it appears that she did have an experience, but we
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: were disappointed to find out that she was capitalizing on
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: the experience. Now, many people do report healing abilities following
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: their encounters. Lydia's certainly one of them. She's done a
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: lot of hands on healing. She's got some testimonials as
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: well attesting to her abilities. One lady Mary Elizabeth Murphy,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: aged sixty nine, had suffered a car accident which caused
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: some damage to her body that wasn't healing well. She
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: attended the healing session and said that Lydia was able
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: to straighten her crooked back and cure her arthritis. Not
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: only that, cured her glaucoma. I mean she spoke to
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: reporters and said, quote, I paid my thirty dollars and
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: it was the best money I ever spent in the world.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: If you come down here, all waltz for you. And
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: she's not the only one. There was another testimonial published
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: in the very respected Omni magazine concerning a cameraman who
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: is suffering from cancer who had a session with Lydia
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: and says he was given a clean bill of health. Now,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Lydia does believe that her contacts are absolutely friendly, and
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: she actually refers to them as quote angels. She is
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: somewhat religious, but she says her psychic abilities include esp prophecies,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: the ability to see into a person's body, sort of
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: a medical intuitive, also mental telepathy, and healing people of
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: physical illness. She says that electric appliances sometimes go haywire
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: around her. That's certainly something many contactees report. So this, yeah,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: changed your life. In fact, at one point she and
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Jeane Branson founded quote the Jacksonville UFO Club. So this
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: has taken over Lydia's life, or certainly did at that time.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: And she says, sometimes when I see the way people
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: are suffering, it makes me want to cry. But if
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: I get too involved, I'm no good when I pray
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: for them. At first, I didn't feel as if I
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: was good enough to receive these powers. I was divorced,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: I hadn't been going to church. I don't know how
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: God chose me to bestyle this on, because I don't
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: think I was worthy of it. But she does feel
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: the ease will return and says they'll be back. I
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: know they will now. At some point after the late
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighties, Lydia pretty much disappeared from the UFO scene.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: But before she did, contactees Lynn and Anthony Volpe, who
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: you can see here, said they visited Lydia in her
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: home and had a really interesting talk with her, and
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: at some point they went for a drive with her
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: and they all had an amazing UFO encounter. They were
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: actually playing music to call down a UFO and it
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: showed up and it actually was broadcasting the same music
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: back to them, but much louder, so a really interesting
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: and interactive encounter. I think you'll agree. Lydia's case is
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: pretty darn interesting for a lot of reasons. One that
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: she's had so many encounters, many which have been witnessed
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: by outside observers. Also the fact that her case has
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: been professionally investigated. But to me, I think the most
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: fascinating thing is that she became so powerfully psychic, psychically awakened,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: at least partly as a result of her encounters. She
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: certainly thinks so. But the fact that she's doing healings
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: this is something we do see quite often, and that
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: she has testimonials I think speaks to the veracity of
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: her experiences. People who say, you know, she healed me,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: so there you go. This is always an experience I think,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: almost without exception, that affects a person very profoundly, and
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: that's certainly true in Lydia's case. I wonder where she
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: is now. I couldn't locate her, but that happens. Sometimes
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: people just rise to the forefront and fade away into
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: the background. There's always another case appearing. And here's another one,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: which I'm pretty sure you haven't heard about. I call
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: this one the onboard experience of Joe Carroll and Luke.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: This involves a young family, newly married couple with an
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: infant child, who were driving through Goodland, Kansas when they
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: experienced a missing time encounter that really affected them, as
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: you can imagine profoundly. It occurred on June twenty, nineteen
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: seventy six, and while they initially had no real memory
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: of what happened, they did start having some dreams about
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: what occurred during this missing time some physical effects as well,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: and this is what prompted them to investigate further. And
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: this is when they discovered that Yep, they were taken
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: on board again a very well researched and authenticated case
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: which I think you'll find of great interest. This case
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: was investigated by researcher Richard Sigismont, a really good researcher,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: very objective, very scientific in his thinking, and it was
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: published in the International UFO Reporter, which was published by
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: the Center for UFO Studies QFOS. This is a fascinating case.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: It involves a young couple, Joe, a nineteen year old
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: factory worker, his wife Carol age eighteen, and their four
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: month old son, Luke, and they were taking a drive
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: from Ohio to Colorado on June twenty, nineteen seventy six.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: It was around one am. They had just left Colby,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Kansas and were heading westbound on Interstate seventy. Their son, Luke,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: was asleep in the back seat and suddenly they heard
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: a strange hissing sound, kind of like a snake, coming
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: from the back seat. It was confused then, so Carol
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: grabbed a flashlight started looking around and they realized this
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: sound was actually coming from the speaker of their eight
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: track tape machine, which they used for playing rock music.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: They were really into music. But at the same time,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: they suddenly noticed three orange blue kind of starlike lights
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: in the sky, and as they watched him, they were
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: amazed to see these objects kind of converge split apart,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: and then one went south, one went north, and the
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: third rose upwards and kind of hovered there in place.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: And Joe immediately turned to his wife Carol and said, no,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: one can tell me there's no such thing as UFOs.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Carol agreed and pointed out that these objects looked very
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: much like the ones she and her mother had seen
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: some time ago in Warren, Ohio. So they were watching
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: this and continuing down the highway when suddenly they noticed
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: now four starlike objects moving overhead, two higher up and
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: two kind of below them. These were white and considerably
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: larger than the ones they had seen moments earlier, and
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: as they were watching them, Joe said, how great would
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: it be to go up in one of the UFOs,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: and Carol agreed, Yeah, that would be great if quote
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: the baby wasn't in the car, so she was concerned
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: about their son Luke now their car was not in
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: great shape, and Joe kind of jokingly said, if they
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: can make flying saucers like that, I can imagine what
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: they could do to my car, if they'd pick us
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: up and use us. If we could be guinea pigs
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: for them, maybe they'll fix our car because it's broke.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Carol kind of laughed and told him Hughes quote a
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: little nuts. So the objects dart off and further down
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: the road. As they were beginning to approach Goodland, Kansas,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: they saw yet another UFO. This looked a little different.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: It was closer. This said the appearance of sort of
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: a yellow cylinder or rod with two glowing spears on
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: either end, and without warning, this object shot straight up,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: then swooped down and zoomed right over the top of
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: their car. So this really impressed them. Joe immediately pulled over.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: They realized that they were at mile marker thirty seven,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: as you can see right here, and they watched this
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: object move upwards, becoming a tiny dot in the sky,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: and the next thing they know, they're in a different location.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: They didn't quite realize it at the time. They were
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: now a mile marker thirty two and some hours had passed,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: but at this point they were still distracted by watching
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: this UFO, which had changed position and was now sort
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: of a distant light in the woods alongside the road.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Carol turned to Joe and said, I'll bet that one landed,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: and Joe said, no, you're seeing things. Carol said, you
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: never know, so me talking about how great it would
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: be to go with the UFO occupants and quote see
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: their engine room. They hadn't quite realized they had missing
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: time and were in a different location, but they realized
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: it soon enough, because they continued driving and suddenly pulled
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: into a gas station to refill the tank and buy
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: some cigarettes. Now leaving the station, they were amazed to
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: see a quote twinkling star sort of a starlike object
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: that was pacing their car. They pulled over at a
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: rest stop to watch it, and it remained there hovering
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: for a short time, and they were shocked at this
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: point when suddenly the eastern sky began to brighten and
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: they realized dawn was arriving. It was then that they
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: realized that they had missing time, and they really began
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: to wonder what happened, because there were at least three
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: hours that they could not account for. So they checked
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: their bodies and were shocked to see some weird marks.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Carol noticed that her arms had a rash she hadn't
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: noticed before. She noticed a few bruises and scratches what
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: looked like needle marks. There was a little horseshoe shaped
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: mark around her right wrist, a small abrasion next to
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: her belly button. Joe checked his body, noticed a needle
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: mark by his belly button, a few square sh marks
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: on his body, what looked like a small puncture at
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: the crease of his elbow. He says, his knees were red.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: They even noticed some marks on their child's body, Luke
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: so little red marks on his chest, a few little
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: square marks on his stomach. So this upset them that
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: they felt a little concerned about this. They drove onwards
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: to Denver, and as they were doing so, something else
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: strange happened. They said, this weird deep voice came from Joe.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: He doesn't think it was he saying this, but they
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: heard this voice that said quote, this is my world.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: So this shocked Joe. I mean, he literally took his
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: hands off the steering wheel, began crying, waving his hands
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: over his head. Was weird because the car remained on course,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: still going at sixty miles an hour. They arrived home,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: they shared their story with Joe's father. He's very religious.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: He called the minister. The minister and the father, after
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: hearing their experience, told them that this experience occurred to
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: them because they smoked cigarettes and listened to rock music,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: and that what they had experienced was the work of
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: the devil. So this just caused the young couple to
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: become even more frightened. But they did quit smoking, they
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: stopped listening to rock music, even to the point that
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: they destroyed their music tapes. Following this, Carol had trouble sleeping,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: could only sleep with the lights on. She started having nightmares.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: They said these marks on their bodies healed extraordinarily quickly.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: They contacted the Air Force and the police about their
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: experience before finally being referred to the Center of UFOs
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Studies and Richard Sigismund. But meanwhile, other strange events were occurring.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: For example, Carol was taking a shower when she saw
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: a glowing apparition of a strange humanoid, the kind that
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: was in her nightmares. She screamed and it immediately disappeared.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: But she says she did receive a telepathic message that
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: the beings that they had encountered were good. So this
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: prompted them to go under hypnotic regression, and they separately
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: underwent several sessions for a total of about twenty five hours.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: So this was thoroughly investigated, and both independently recalled being
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: taken on board the craft. And what's so interesting about
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: this is their memories under hypnosis corroborate each other. Under hypnosis,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: they recalled that they had pulled over at mile marker
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: thirty seven to watch these UFOs, and it was Carol
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: who recalled that they actually drove off the road itself
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: into a field towards some trees. They reached a small
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: clearing surrounded by trees next to a creek where there
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: was a huge ship harked on the ground. She said
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: it was shaped like quote, two huge pie plates. These
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: were placed end to end, had rounded edges and looked
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: like two rotating rings around the perimeter there were rotating clockwise.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: This was a big craft, about one hundred and fifty
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: feet wide, maybe forty feet high. So they unhooked their
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: seatbelts and found themselves walking right up to it. The
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: door opened and they were escorted inside into a very
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: brightly lit room. Now this is what Carol recalled. She
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: recalled seeing quote computer things and what looked like bright
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: flashing lights. To her right, she saw a window. Above
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: all these flashing lights, she could see trees. She said.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: There was a chair below the window, which was melded
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: into the floor of the craft itself. She said that
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: the center of the room had a brown pillar that
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: went from floor to ceiling. This is something many contactees report.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: She said. There was also a strange looking sort of
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: steel box on the far side of the room. She
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: said she saw it look like a clipboard or something
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: hanging from a hook. Now, at this point she's not
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: seeing any beings, But suddenly she realized her husband Joe
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: was gone. He was not there, and she got a
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: telepathic message to go down a hallway to another room.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: What she did, and inside that room she saw a
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: table with a bright light above it. A voice told
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: her telepathically to lay down on the table. What she did.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: She down on her back and then on her stomach.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: She felt some numbness in her arms at one point
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: a tightness around her wrist. She also felt a pressure
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: on her back, coming from what she felt was a
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: long tube of some kind. She was then told to
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: go to another room, which she did. Now this is
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: when she started to feel a little fear and concern.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: She expressed that she wanted to go home. She wanted
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: to see her child. And this was when she saw
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: a humanoid for the first time, which you can see
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: her drawing here. And this humanoid came in and along
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: with him was her son. She said. This humanoid was
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: wearing this suit a helmet. He said it was about
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: five foot five inches, and she quickly grabbed her son
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: and hugged him, carried him over to the window, and
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: she looked out. She was shocked to see quote stars
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: shooting by. She could see the earth receding into the distance.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Moments later, it became pitch black outside. She said. The
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: room heated up slightly, and looking outside, she now saw
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: that they had come in for a landing next to
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: some trees. She received a telepathic construction to return to
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: the original room that they had walked into. At this point,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: they took Luke from her. They assured her not to worry,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: that they were good, no harm would come to her.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: The whole experience was not terribly frightening to her. She
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: felt they were absolutely benevolent. Two of the beings held Luke,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: kind of bouncing him and playing with him, while Carol
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: was instructed again to lay down on a table. She
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: says she was given what she believed was a shot
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: or something in her arm with a sort of boxy
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: tube shaped device. Then one of the ets picked her up.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: She kind of passed out at this point, carried her
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: to the car, which was now on the side of
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: the road at mile marker thirty two. Now that's Carol's memory.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Joe has no memory of driving into the field. He
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: did remember seeing the UFO, but his first memory under
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: hypnosis is being alone in a room and laying down
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: as he felt something pressed against the crease of the
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: elbow of his left arm where he had seen this mark.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: He said this did pause some pain. He felt warm,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: a little light headed. He also felt something like socks
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: on his feet. He's really not sure. He said. He
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: had a little bit of difficulty breathing and was experiencing
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: some chest pain. But then he started looking around the room,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: and he said he saw a counter that melded seamlessly
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: into the wall. What looked like plastic tubes or canisters
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: drawers perhaps on this counter, he saw it look like
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: a rubber hose hanging from the wall. He saw a
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: big silver box sort of in front of the counter
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: against the wall, again melded into the ship itself. He
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: also saw a doorway. He saw a shelf above him
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: with strange alien instruments, what looked like a silver rod
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: with five sort of red strings fanning out from it. So,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: after looking at this, he says, they received a telepathic
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: message to get up from the table and get dressed,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: And was then that he saw two humanoids who came in,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: and he says they handed him this six inch long
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: white board thing and a rod, which he held briefly
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: on his lap, but then he was told to stand up.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: They took it from him. Two humanoids held him by
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: his arms walked him down a corridor. He says, this
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: was a large craft. He passed about five doorways leading
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: into separate rooms, finally coming up to a doorway which
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: led out of the craft. He looked out there and
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: could see trees, and as he stood there, one of
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: the beings arrived and was carrying his wife, Carol, asleep
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: in his arms. So then one of the beings stood
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: in front of Joe, and something really odd happened, he says,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: he perceived but looked like a spiral of light kind
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: of forming between him and this being, And Joe felt
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: almost as if his mind was pulled from his body,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: kind of like an out of body experience. So he
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: felt like he was merging with the mind of this being.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: And he got a real strong impression that the ets
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: quote didn't have any bad qualities. They seemed so peaceful,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: So this was a very spiritual experience for him. Next,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: with the assistance of the entities, because he was feeling
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: a little shaky, he walked down these shiny steel looking
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: steps and into the car. He watched as one of
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: the entities carried Carol to the car, placed her gently
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: in the seat, fastened her seatbelt, locked the door, and
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: closed it. And then he went into the seat and
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: closed his door. And as he was preparing to drive off,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: one of the beings stood there and waved goodbye, and
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Joe felt this intense wave of satin witness. He said,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: it was like as if he was leaving a loved one.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: Carol was still asleep at this point, but he watched
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: the lights on the ship suddenly spin faster, these little
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: rotating rings, until suddenly it rose silently into the sky
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: and moved quickly upwards, becoming a tiny dot in the sky,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: at which point he drove back onto the road and
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: they continued their interrupted journey. So they recalled this under hypnosis,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: and that was quite a shock for them to find
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: out that they had been taken on board, and they
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: both reported feeling somewhat vulnerable and that the ets could
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: take them anytime. But Richard Sigismund counciled them and ultimately,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: after going over everything that happened, they felt it was
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: a very benevolent experience. Carol says she is much more
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: aware of the world. She thinks about things much more deeply.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Joe said his personality changed. He had been very introverted,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: but he became much more open, makes friends more easily,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: and he said that that obe like experience he had
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: on board the ship made him less afraid of dying.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: They both considered the experience as quote an honor and
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: a privilege, and both felt that the humanoids were friendly
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: and showed consideration for their needs and for their well being.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Now FYI as a mention. The researcher did speak with
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: the father and the minister, who confirmed that Joe and
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Carol did tell them this story and showed them these
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: marks on their body. So again a very well verified case.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: There you go. I mean, that's the kind of case
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: that's undeniable, given that the researcher interviewed both witnesses, they
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: were hypnotized separately, and their stories still corroborate to an
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: unbelievable degree. And the researcher had the foresight to contact
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: the witness's parent, the father and the minister, who absolutely
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: confirmed what the witnesses had experienced. So there's a lot
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: of confirmation we know exactly where this case took place.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: They also found it interesting because both witnesses felt that
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: this was ultimately a very benevolent encounter, although initially they
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: were quite traumatized. So this is a pattern I certainly
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: see quite a bit. It can be a really startling
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: experience and somewhat scary and traumatizing, but ultimately, once a
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: person steps back and takes a closer look at what
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: actually happened to them, they realize, you know, they weren't
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: there to hurt us, nothing like that. So There's a
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: lot of really interesting patterns to this case that I
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: think are really important, and it's one of the reasons
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: I wanted to present it. That And because of the
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: descriptions of the ets I find super interesting, the description
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: of the interior of the craft, the things they were told,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: a lot of interesting details in these onboard experiences. Again,
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: I have a lot more information than your typical sighting
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: or even a face to face encounter with humanoids. And
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: now we move to another case. This one is also
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: so interesting. I call this one the onboard encounter of
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Miriam and Sonia. This took place in the summer of
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine or nineteen eighty, They're not entirely certain,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: but it took place in baiamon Puerto Rico. And again
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: a professionally researched case, a multiple witness case, some really
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: interesting physiological effects that were really benevolent, some incredible spiritual
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: aspects as well to this case, and a ton, I
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: mean a lot of information imparted to the witnesses, far
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: more than I can present in this little episode. This
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: extraordinarily complex case comes from research Jorge Martin and was
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: published both in The Flying Saucer review and in the
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Spanish language publication Evidencia avni and this involves two witnesses
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: known only by pseudonyms Miriam and her mother Sonya, now
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: Miriam's father prior to their experience. This is Sonya's husband.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: He had passed away shortly before this encounter, and the
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: mother went into this tale spin of grief to the
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: point that her health was failing badly and she was
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: weighed only eighty five pounds and looked like she was
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: going to pass away. So in order to treat her,
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: because doctors were not having any luck, Miriam and Sonia
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: decided to drive from San Juan, Puerto Rico, to the
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Florida region. This is still in Puerto Rico, where their
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: uncle lived, so that he could help care for them.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: They were driving their nineteen seventy four Chevrolet Monte Carlo
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: along Puerto Rico Highway number two and was on seven
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: PM on the evening in question. They had just reached
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: the West Bay m mon Commercial Center at at Hateau
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Tejas when suddenly everything went dark. They couldn't see the
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: road around them, the trees, the street lights. They both
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: heard a loud, humming noise. Both Miriam and Sonya became confused.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: They felt like both of them had become entranced. One
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: turned to the other and looked at them and both
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: felt like they were hypnotized. Now Miriam suddenly felt almost
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: as if the car itself was not on the road,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: and the next thing they knew, the car filled with
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: this blue white light, and suddenly, with almost no transition,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: they saw that it was now nine to thirty, two
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: and a half hours later and they were in a
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: completely different location. They were now at Aricibo. This is
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: seventy three kilometers about forty three miles ahead on the road,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: and they had no memory of how they got there now.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: The only effect from this encounter initially was that Sonya
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: began to recover from her illness and depression, and for
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: many years following this, the missing time encounter remained a mystery.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: But fifteen years later they did go under hypnosis separately
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: to avoid contaminating each other's accounts, and they recalled what happened.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: And just as in his side, I will say, Miriam
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: herself was suffering from bone pain in her legs and
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: joint pain that the doctors were never able to diagnose,
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: but that also disappeared so they knew something had happened,
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: and under hypnosis, Miriam she recalled that they were driving
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: through Bayamon again, everything became dark. Light enveloped the car,
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: and she did not remember this consciously, but under hypnosis
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: she was shocked to watch her mother suddenly disappear from
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: the front passenger seat. At the same exact time, she
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: saw a large metallic, silver, gray flying saucer at very
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: low level right in front of her car. Then she
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: herself was struck by a beam of light and found
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: herself incredibly moving through the roof of the car itself.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Looking down, she saw the car below her, and below
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: that the road itself was receding. The car was floating.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: She was floating, and they were going upward and above her.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: She looked up, she could see the same craft, and
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: very quickly a door opened and she saw the six
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: foot tall kind of white figure standing in the doorway.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: She said, he had a large head, dark eyes, a
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: small mouth and nose, and he had this little smile,
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: just sort of a slightly bent smile. Very friendly in fact,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: as she said, he is very dainty and delicate. So
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: we would probably call this a gray. And this gray
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: as he appeared to be told her inside of the
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: craft and said, come with me. Don't be afraid, we
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: aren't going to harm you. Don't worry, because up until
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: that point she had been terrified, But now meeting this
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: gray face to face, she felt incredibly calm, peaceful. She
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: felt absolutely that this gray was truthful. As she says,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: I felt a great goodness emanate from that being. So
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: this gray continued to reassure her. Miriam immediately asked about
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: her mother, and the gray said that her mother was
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: also with them and was all right. Not to worry
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: per Miriam. The inside of this craft was a beautiful
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: shade of sort of pearly silver. She saw several other short,
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: about three foot grays suddenly appear, and she was led
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: down a curved hallway into a rounded room. She said,
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: there was a seat and other features in this room,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: all of which were a seamless part of the room itself,
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: no joints, no rivets, nothing like that. And she saw
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: it look like a quote, stainless steel bed and a
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: table filled with strange instruments of many kind. So the
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: room was filled with these small little gray gyes, and
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: as Miriam says, in the chamber there are more of
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: the little beings, very graceful. They emanate a great sensation
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: of love and peace. They talked to me mentally, they
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: tell me they are going to help me. She was
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: lifted up gently on to the table and they began
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: to examine her, touching her body with these fine, long,
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: metallic rods, and they told her what was happening. They
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: explained to her that they were giving her an energy
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: reinforcement to improve her health. And again, since she was
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: a little girl, Miriam suffered from undiagnosed pain in her
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: bones and the joints of her legs, and the Grays
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: basically told her that she was ill and they were
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: curing her. They began to use many different types of
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: instruments to sort of pulse energy through her body. It
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: didn't hurt, she said, it was actually pretty comfortable. And
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: at one point the grace said, and I quote, you
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: have what your people call cancer of the bone. But
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: don't be afraid. We are curing you because you have
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: got to be well for some very important work that
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: you are going to have to do in the future,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: and you need to be in complete good health to
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: do that work. And they elaborated in detail. They explained
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: that she would be meeting an important person in the
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: future that together they would help inform humanity about the
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: reality of ET's and the great changes that our world
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: is facing in the future. Miriam asked again about her mother, Sonya,
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: and they told her that her mother Sonya was also
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: very ill and was receiving treatment. They all kinds of things.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: They told her humanity was suffering because of excessive materialism.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: They told her that humanity had gone through several advanced
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: civilizations that had risen and fallen, and that each time
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: humanity had not advanced spiritually to the degree that they
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: needed to to survive. And they said that Earth is
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: now facing irreversible disasters because of this, and that it
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: was their mission to help. They imparted a lot of
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: information which you can read about in Jorgey's article. But
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: they then took her to another room. She says, a
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: tall being placed a strange instrument against her forehead, which
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: reminded her of a compass. Miriam felt waves of love
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: and goodness. She absolutely thought this was the most amazing
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: and wonderful being. As she says, it was something sublime.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: It is not as we have been told that these
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: beings are back. It is not so. This particular being
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: was sublime. You could see it, feel it. He was
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: very wise. I never felt here on earth the love
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: and goodness that emanated from himself. So this is something
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: I do here. A lot people feel this unbelievable pure
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: love coming from these beings. Now, this being told her
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: that there were many beings visiting our planet. They told
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: her that our governments had secured et technology and were
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: abusing it, and that this was a real problem. Miriam
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: was then introduced to a beautiful but absolutely human looking et.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: The tall gray told her that they were working together
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: to assist in the evolution of humanity, particularly the spiritual evolution,
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: and told her that some of these human looking ets
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: do walk among us. She was then taken to another
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: room where she saw more short grays. Looking out the window.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: She got a real shock, actually led her out of
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: the craft at some point, but she saw mountains, a
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: small village, none of it was recognizable to her. These
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: teas told her that they had actually landed on a
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: high spot in the Swiss Alps. This is quite some
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: distance from Puerto Rico, and they again explained that our
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: own governments were working against them or attempting to manipulate
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: and control humanity and retard their spiritual progress. They were
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: doing everything they could to counteract. That told her all
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: kinds of stuff, all kinds of information was imparted, and
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: then Miriam was reunited with her mother, Sonya. The craft
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: took off and landed on what appeared to Miriam to
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: be a beach. They were taken out through a doorway
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: and something very incredible happened. Both of them were shocked
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: to see Miriam's father, Sonia's husband, who had died again
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: nine months earlier in September of nineteen seventy eight. There was,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: as you can imagine, a tearful reunion. This was a
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: very deeply spiritual experience. And yeah, this was her father's
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: spirit and he looked different. He wasn't able to walk,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: he had received injuries during his time in the military,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: but now he was in full health. He looked young
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: and healthy. The next thing Miriam knew, she was being
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: put back in their car. Together. They found themselves on
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: the in Aricibo, with no knowledge of the amazing events
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: that had just transpired. So that's Miriam's recall. Sonia again separately,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: when under hypnotic regression. She recalled some very interesting things,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: like Miriam. She recalled this darkness enveloping the car, followed
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: by a blue light. The next thing he knew, she
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: was outside of the car. She looked down, saw the
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: car floating above the ground below her and her daughter,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: Miriam was still in the driver's seat. She looked up,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: saw this saucer above her. She was quickly pulled inside
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: of it, greeted by five little gray guys who took
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: her into a white, round room filled with medical equipment.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: It reminded her very much of a hospital room that
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: was absolutely spotless. She was telepathically instructed to lie down
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: on a table, and she became a little frightened, but
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: the beings told her to calm down, and moments later,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: two other human looking ets arrived, and she said they
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: looked amazing. They had clear green eyes, silvery blonde hair,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: and she said, quote they look angelic. They look like
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: perfect men, and in fact, their appearance kind of reminded
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: her of Jesus. They told her all kinds of things
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: that they had originally lived on Mars. They said that
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: they wore tunics. She said they looked identical like twins.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: They spoke to her telepathically and told her that they
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: were doing an operation of some kind on her. They
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: placed all manners of weird, strange instruments, which she had
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: troubled describing, but she did draw them as you can see.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: She says. She felt no pain, and in fact, she
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: felt a warm, comfortable heat, but at one point she
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: felt like they were opening up her brain. This did
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: concern her a little bit. The beings explained that she
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: had to purge herself of the negative emotions and worries,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: and that these were the main cause of her ill health.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: And as Sonya says in her own words, I feel
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: a great sensation of well being. They want to impart
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  Speaker 1: positivism to me, happiness that my entire being is being renewed.
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  Speaker 1: The tall human with the dark brown hair tells me
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  Speaker 1: that I am very but that they are curing me.
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  Speaker 1: They explained this in great detail. They told her that
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  Speaker 1: her daughter Mariam had a very important, crucial mission that
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  Speaker 1: it was actually Sonya's duty to help assist her daughter
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  Speaker 1: with this mission. They told her that humanity was saturated
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  Speaker 1: with evil and disease, and it was crucial that humanity
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  Speaker 1: started to progress spiritually. If it was to survive. They
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  Speaker 1: explained that they work with many people to help facilitate
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  Speaker 1: humanity's progress. Now, Sonia says at one point she was
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  Speaker 1: introduced to an apparent enlightened master, the short, little Asian
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  Speaker 1: looking man with a little goateee. He showed her what
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  Speaker 1: she perceived to be sort of a paper with strange
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  Speaker 1: writing on it, and he began to impart prophecies, basically
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  Speaker 1: telling her that there would be great disasters in the
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  Speaker 1: future of our planet. Next, she remembered looking out the
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  Speaker 1: window and seeing the Swiss Alps just exactly as her
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  Speaker 1: daughter Miriam had. Behind her, she saw a small gray
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  Speaker 1: She described him. She says quote he was a small
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  Speaker 1: being with a large head, big dark eyes, no eyelids
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  Speaker 1: or eyebrows, a tiny mouth, two holes for a nose,
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  Speaker 1: a thin, frail body, long slender arms, no ears, merely
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  Speaker 1: something there at the side of his head. She did
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  Speaker 1: also notice that the being had only four fingers. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the next thing she knows remembers she's being reunited with
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  Speaker 1: her daughter Miriam, and like Miriam, she recalls being led
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  Speaker 1: out to this area, which she did not perceive as
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  Speaker 1: a beach, but more as the spiritual realm of some kind,
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  Speaker 1: which apparently it was, because she was absolutely amazed and
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  Speaker 1: delighted to see her deceased husband, and not only her husband,
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  Speaker 1: but her mother and father and other people, her loved
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  Speaker 1: ones who had passed on, and she said they were
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  Speaker 1: actually floating towards her in the spiritual realm of some kind,
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  Speaker 1: and she had this really wonderful reunion with them. The
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  Speaker 1: next thing she knew she was back in the craft.
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  Speaker 1: She was shown books that she believed contained the laws
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  Speaker 1: of life, and the next thing, both she and her
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  Speaker 1: daughter were taken from the craft. She says she watched
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  Speaker 1: the car actually get placed back on the road. Miriam
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  Speaker 1: didn't recall this part, but she watched the cargo back
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  Speaker 1: on the road, and the ets placed them both back
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  Speaker 1: inside of it, and the craft departed, and that's when
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  Speaker 1: they found themselves back in Arecibo. What a dramatic case
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  Speaker 1: that is, and I think has a lot to teach us.
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  Speaker 1: So interesting with both these witnesses describing the same thing,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: both witnesses experiencing a really dramatic healing where the doctors
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: themselves here on earth could not heal them. The messages
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  Speaker 1: they got, the reasons for the contact all the different
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: types of ets they saw. That's not that unusual for
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: people to see different types of humanoids on board a craft.
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  Speaker 1: So they saw grays and what appeared to be perfectly
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  Speaker 1: human looking people as well, and other types. So yeah,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: lots to take away from that case. Again, it is
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: at least partially anonymous. A lot of witnesses who have
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: these really extensive encounters are quite reluctant to step forward.
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  Speaker 1: But thanks to Jorge Martin for bringing this case forward,
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  Speaker 1: and you can certainly read about it. I showed you
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  Speaker 1: the references there in this episode if you want to
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  Speaker 1: learn more about it, because yeah, there's far more information
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  Speaker 1: than I was able to talk about here. All right,
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  Speaker 1: and now we move to our last and final case
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  Speaker 1: in this episode, another super interesting and somewhat briefer case,
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  Speaker 1: but I think an important one. Nevertheless, I call this
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  Speaker 1: one the onboard encounter of Fernando. Again, this is a
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  Speaker 1: first name only witness who elected to remain at least
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  Speaker 1: partially anonymous, but certainly a fascinating case of a gentleman
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  Speaker 1: who saw UFO and next thing he knows he's having
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  Speaker 1: missing time it's taken on board. I mean, there's a
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  Speaker 1: really interesting case, because I think this was the last
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  Speaker 1: thing this witness was expecting. This last and final case
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  Speaker 1: comes from Spanish researcher and author Manuel Carbilao, and he
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  Speaker 1: writes that this case is quote a very typical one,
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  Speaker 1: but it contains a number of variations that give it
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  Speaker 1: the appearance of being absolutely authentic. So this took place
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  Speaker 1: in autumn of nineteen eighty six in the little town
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  Speaker 1: of Cooloraedo, Spain, which you can see here. And it
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  Speaker 1: was a Friday evening as Fernando, who's a young man
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  Speaker 1: employed as an electrician, left his place of employment for
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: the day and he went to go get his motorcycle
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  Speaker 1: which had just been overhauled and tuned up in preparation
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  Speaker 1: for a cross country event that he was going to
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: participate in. So he drove his motorcycle to a nearby
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  Speaker 1: quarry where there were many little hills which were good
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  Speaker 1: for testing the power of his bike, and we worked beautifully.
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  Speaker 1: He drove around for about an hour, and I'll just
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  Speaker 1: let Fernando describe what happened next, as he says, it
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  Speaker 1: must have been about seven pm. I sat down for
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: a while on a big stone to have a smoke.
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  Speaker 1: Then above the other end of the quarry. High up
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  Speaker 1: in the sky among the clouds, I saw a great light.
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  Speaker 1: Slowly this light approached me. Then suddenly seven orange colored
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  Speaker 1: triangles came out of it, flying in a pyramidal formation.
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  Speaker 1: There in line in front four behind. One of the
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: triangles broke formation and came straight towards me. So this
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: alarmed him, and seeing this craft making a bee line
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: for him, Fernando jumped up, got on his motorcycle, which
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: again had worked fine previously. He tried to drive off,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: but the engine wouldn't start. He tried over and over
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: again to start it, but it just wouldn't work. So
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: this was freaking him out, needless to say, And as
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: Fernando says in his own words, meanwhile that thing was approaching.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: I just stood there quietly. There was nothing I could do.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't get help anywhere, and I couldn't escape. As
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: the thing came nearer, I could make out more details
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: of It was an equilateral triangle with each side about
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: twelve meters long, which its orange color was tremendously vivid.
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  Speaker 1: Its corners were blunted, and in one of them it
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: had a glass panel seeming the window of its cabin
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  Speaker 1: so Fernando was absolutely awestruck as this craft came up
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: right close to him, lowered itself to about six feet
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: above the ground and stayed there hovering. And as Fernando says,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: I was just standing there in absolute astonishment. Then from
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: the belly of it there came a beam of light,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: and two beings came down out of it. Along this beam,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: I myself was laughing at it, and I said to myself,
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  Speaker 1: it's not possible. It's a dream. Then one of the
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: beings grabbed hold of me and they took me into
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: the craft with them. Now, per Fernando, the beings were
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: about four feet tall you can see his drawing here,
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  Speaker 1: and as he says, they were quote green colored, with
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: very big heads and very bright eyes. They didn't speak,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: but seemed to communicate telepathically. Now the researcher believes that
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: what he was seeing was actually their jumpsuits, or perhaps
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: the light from the craft. At any rate, Fernando does recall,
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  Speaker 1: without hypnosis, being taken on board, and again they were
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: speaking to him telepathically. As Fernando says, I do remember
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: that I understood them. It was just as though they
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: were reading my thoughts, and I was reading theirs. I
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: arrived inside the craft and they stretched me out on
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  Speaker 1: a platform. I was gazing up at a very powerful
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: white light, and I fell asleep, and I remember nothing more.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: When I woke up again, I was lying beside my motorcycle.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: I looked up at the sky, searching for the craft,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: but it was no longer there. So that's all he
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: recalls consciously. He never did seek hypnosis, but Fernando rushed
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: home and learned that his family was very worried about
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: him because it was now eleven PM. He was missing
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: about three to four hours of time, so it's likely
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: there is more to this than he consciously recalls. However,
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: here's an important detail. Fernando remembered that years earlier, as
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: a young child, he had seen a UFO one night
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: over the beach, and ever since then he's always believed
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: in them, and he did, in fact read a little
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: bit about them, but he never expected to see them again,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: much less be taken on board. Following this experience, he
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: did examine his body and found what appeared to be
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: a small puncture mark on his right arm, and seeing this,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: he became even more convinced that he had been taken
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  Speaker 1: on board and examined, and as Fernando says in his
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: own words, I am absolutely sure they put me to
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  Speaker 1: sleep in that craft and did some sort of analysis
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: on me. I was their guinea pig. I have described
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: what happened to me so that my case may serve
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: as an example, and so that nobody will take me
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  Speaker 1: to be unbalanced. What happened to me is as absolutely
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: certain as the fact that I am alive and I exist.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: There you go yet another example of a person who's
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: had an onboard experience. And these five cases are, of
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: course just the tip of the iceberg. There are many
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: researchers who believe these cases number well beyond the thousands
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: or tens of thousands, or more even into the millions.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: But the fact is some people don't remember. Most are
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: very reluctant to talk about it. Thankfully, times are changing.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: But I think if you just take these five cases alone,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: you get a pretty accurate representation of what it's like
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: to be taken on board. A UFO meet ets face
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: to face and have this really extensive encounter, and yeah,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: each of them have something to offer. I really like
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: the Goodland, Kansas case because they're driving along and they
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: see this UFO and they start talking, Well, wouldn't it
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: be neat to go on board and guess what happened?
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: So in a way, you could look at that one
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: as a close encounter of the fifth kind. Hard to
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: say for sure, but yeah, all of these cases definitely
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: have all kinds of things to teach us, not only
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: about ourselves and how we react, but about the ets
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: and their technology and again their agenda. So many different
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: types of ets, so many cases taking place all over
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: the planet, cases taking place for a very long time,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: so many multiple witness cases, so much evidence to support them. Sorry,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: but skeptics just don't have a leg to stand on.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: If you want to knock down a case, there's always
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: another one to take its place, because again, this is
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: a lot more common than people realize. So that's it
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: for this week. I really appreciate all of you watching.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: It's because of you I do this research and I'm
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: putting off these episodes. So much love to you. Thank you,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, And until next time, keep asking
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: those hard questions, keep searching for the truth. It's up
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: to you to do it. Our governments are not going
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: to and most important of all, keep having fun. Because
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: that's why we're here. Bye for now, talk to you
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: next week.