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Is Kawhi a top 10 player? · The So-Called Sports Analysts

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  Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome back to the episode of the So Called
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  Speaker 1: Sports Analyst. I'm your host Joshua Garcia and this is
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  Speaker 1: our other co host, Ryan Vreilla. Ryan, how are you
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  Speaker 1: doing today?
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  Speaker 2: Pretty good, bro, Pretty good, Just another day in the life.
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  Speaker 2: But I will say received some bad news as a
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  Speaker 2: student of Texas Tech as a Santa Topic here at man.
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  Speaker 1: I just feel like that ruined our hopes of winning
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  Speaker 1: a national championship. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like he was, he was on Wooden Watch, you know,
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  Speaker 2: top five playing in the nation.
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  Speaker 1: This moment of silence, Yeah, just give it like it's
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  Speaker 1: a good ten seconds moment of silence. All right, that
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  Speaker 1: was that was good?
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah you can.
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  Speaker 1: Fonzo refuses to do an NBA podcast because he does
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  Speaker 1: not want to talk about anything real, you know, so
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  Speaker 1: Ryan has to come on fill in the role talk
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  Speaker 1: some real basketball, not that, not that lame basketball that
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  Speaker 1: fond they'll be talking about sometimes.
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  Speaker 2: So but no, uh, it's.
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  Speaker 1: Been pretty cool. We've had a pretty Oh by the way,
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, So we had a pretty cool All Star weekend.
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  Speaker 1: We have the second half of the NBA season coming up.
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  Speaker 1: That means we're getting closer to Awards, We're getting closer
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  Speaker 1: to the to the end of the year playoff time.
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  Speaker 1: So we have a lot to discuss in this episode.
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  Speaker 1: But first we're gonna start off where I think the
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  Speaker 1: hot topic is, and that's the All Star Weekend. Ryan,
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  Speaker 1: what were your What were your thoughts after All Star Weekend?
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  Speaker 2: Not gonna lie? I enjoyed it. It was a cool format.
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  Speaker 2: I like the Dunk contest not gonna lie. It was
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  Speaker 2: kind of it was all right, Carter Bryant should have
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  Speaker 2: won if he didn't have that little mishap. I had
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  Speaker 2: to like rewatch it. And then the three point contest,
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  Speaker 2: Dame coming out being able to win his third one
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  Speaker 2: and enjoin like Larry Bird and who else was it?
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  Speaker 2: I don't I know Larry Bird and someone else, but
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  Speaker 2: that's pretty cool for Dame.
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  Speaker 1: I realized probably it's probably Matt bar but I was.
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  Speaker 2: Really pulling for con That's my guy. But uh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I enjoyed those two and the game. The games in
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  Speaker 2: general were pretty competitive, and being able to actually see
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  Speaker 2: them compete and want to win was something that we've lacked.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like since probably twenty twenty, I would say,
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  Speaker 2: in my opinion, since like the Kobe year and whenever
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  Speaker 2: they had like the you had to get to twenty
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  Speaker 2: four or to win or whatever, that was a pretty
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  Speaker 2: that was a really good All Star Game. But ever
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  Speaker 2: since then, I feel like it's lacked. And to be honest,
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  Speaker 2: I watched some of this year and from what I saw,
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  Speaker 2: there was not many fans there and from what I've
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  Speaker 2: heard so the All Star Game is kind of declining.
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  Speaker 2: But I did. I did enjoy Sunday with the games,
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  Speaker 2: and I think Wimby, like as a just him as
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  Speaker 2: a player, really elevated the game as an individual. I
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  Speaker 2: think they were. Malik Andrews was interviewing No that was
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  Speaker 2: at the end, someone was interviewing it and they were like, like,
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  Speaker 2: what made this so competitive? Like why were we all
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  Speaker 2: like competing so much, like more than other All Star games?
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  Speaker 2: And he was like, because Wimby. Wimby set the tone
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  Speaker 2: and because of Wimby, set the tone that allowed for
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  Speaker 2: all of them to just like, I want to win.
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  Speaker 2: I want to beat Wimby now because Winby's trying so hard.
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  Speaker 2: Why why am I gonna get embarrassed by Wimby? You know?
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I enjoyed it. Kawhi Leonard masterclass to beat
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  Speaker 2: the world. All I'm saying is if Sga played raps
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  Speaker 2: would have been and Jokis barely played too. It was like,
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  Speaker 2: I know he was barely gonna play like to begin with,
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  Speaker 2: but still he barely played and Luca didn't. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they both didn't play like realistically, Yeah, the world would
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  Speaker 2: have won. The world would have won. It was It
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  Speaker 2: was pretty fun. I really liked seeing Kawhi just do
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  Speaker 2: what he does, and then just seeing the competitiveness, seeing
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  Speaker 2: swipe but hit that game winner was pretty fun. And
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  Speaker 2: all three, all how many games they played four five
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  Speaker 2: somewhere around there. The first three you're very competitive. They
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  Speaker 2: all came down to the last shot. Wemby was pissed
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  Speaker 2: out after the first one, and then yeah, SWIPEO with
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  Speaker 2: that game winner, and then yeah, the last one was
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  Speaker 2: just a wash and then they gave the repe But
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  Speaker 2: it was enjoyable to me. What about you.
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  Speaker 1: As far as like the Saturday Night, I didn't watch
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  Speaker 1: the I hate that I missed the Rookies the Rising
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  Speaker 1: Stars game because I had three guys in that one,
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  Speaker 1: Carter Bryant, Stephan Castle, and Dylan Harper. But I really
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  Speaker 1: just don't thought it was the celebrity night, so that's
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  Speaker 1: why I didn't watch it. But as far as as
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  Speaker 1: far as Saturday Night, I really thoroughly enjoyed it. Like
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  Speaker 1: seeing Dame come back and just secure another dope was
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  Speaker 1: great to see. I can see already talks next year
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  Speaker 1: of them trying to get like Klay Thompson, Steph Curry,
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  Speaker 1: Devin Booker, Damian Lillard and a couple others to get
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  Speaker 1: really into the competition. But also like I really did
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  Speaker 1: enjoy the Shooting Stars competition, you know with the different
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  Speaker 1: teams Team Harper, the Knicks, what other teams were There
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  Speaker 1: were like a couple other teams that were pretty cool. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: and then the one with Scottie Barnes, Conkin Upple and
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  Speaker 1: then I believe who was the last one. I can't
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  Speaker 1: remember the last one, but and then Drewski throwing it
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  Speaker 1: over their head into the stands.
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  Speaker 2: It was pretty funny.
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  Speaker 1: But as far as the Knicks seen kat Jalen Brunson
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  Speaker 1: than now Houston, Dude, they were just knocking down like
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  Speaker 1: them them shots and they actually made a pretty for
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  Speaker 1: a pretty fun game that they were playing. And then
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  Speaker 1: even the dunk contest, like having it just stucks back
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  Speaker 1: to back years two Spurs players just finished in second
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  Speaker 1: the dunk contest. Honestly, I think last year. I think
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  Speaker 1: last year Stefan Castle did really good. I think it
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  Speaker 1: was a really good comp between him and Mac mcclunk.
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  Speaker 1: And this year Carter Bryant, Dude, he he had it won.
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  Speaker 1: Like I don't think.
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  Speaker 2: I was rewatch the dunks. Bro he was getting up.
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  Speaker 2: Bro Keishaw Johnson thought dancing would give him more points. Dude, No,
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  Speaker 2: but after every dunk was a dance like pro.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna like Keishaw Johnson does got some hops though,
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  Speaker 1: that boy was flying. But I will say they always.
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  Speaker 1: I think I think Carter Bryant talking to Vince Carter
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  Speaker 1: for like thirty seconds really ruined it for him, Like
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  Speaker 1: he took away a lot of time away from him
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  Speaker 1: doing an actual dunk. He had to settle for that
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  Speaker 1: simple three sixty and honestly, he just barely missed his dunk,
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  Speaker 1: like a couple of times, I do think he would
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  Speaker 1: have won. Maybe he comes back next year and tries again,
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  Speaker 1: gets a little redemption. But I will say that was
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  Speaker 1: pretty cool seeing another spur another year, second year in
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  Speaker 1: a row, and they dunk contests. I just wish one
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  Speaker 1: of them would have won. But as far as like
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  Speaker 1: All Star Game, like the real All Star Game, the
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  Speaker 1: format was sick, like I think at first a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people were doubting. I was a little doubting, like
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  Speaker 1: three teams like the USA two both Stripes and the Stars,
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  Speaker 1: and then the World team.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that I didn't even know what they were doing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I still think that it was pretty cool.
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  Speaker 1: Like I think seeing like the older guys on one
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  Speaker 1: team the younger guys on the other for the USA,
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  Speaker 1: and as far as the World, it would have been
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  Speaker 1: nice to see like Yo Kich and Luca were only
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  Speaker 1: there for the like I think once they got off
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  Speaker 1: the court, the games really started playing really hard. I
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  Speaker 1: winby came out like they said, and set the tone
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  Speaker 1: barrier long. He said he was gonna do it. He
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  Speaker 1: has that new mentality that I don't I'm not here
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  Speaker 1: to make any friends. I'm here to win basketball games.
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  Speaker 1: And like he said, he said, this game means a
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  Speaker 1: lot to me. This game is something I cherished, Like
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out there and play like hard, you know,
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  Speaker 1: basically like he said in the press conference after, and
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  Speaker 1: he just hopes a lot of people follow suit and
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  Speaker 1: feels the same way. And it really showed, like right
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  Speaker 1: off the rip, he scored what like seven nine straight points,
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  Speaker 1: blocked Jalen Duran, dunked on Kawhi I believe, and then
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  Speaker 1: he had he had a lot of things going and
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was really getting serious when he had
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  Speaker 1: his hand up in the post against Kid Cunningham and
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  Speaker 1: I think and then was it Kate Cunningham. I believe
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  Speaker 1: it was, and then he uh, then Jamal Murray decided
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  Speaker 1: to pull up from three and just throw a shot,
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  Speaker 1: and then he just started yelling at Jamal Murray. So
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  Speaker 1: that I think that's going very early on. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that just gets guys like Anthony Edwards who's just
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  Speaker 1: like a real live trash talker who like doesn't like
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  Speaker 1: to really be the guy one up. And he really
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  Speaker 1: started playing hard and it got the other players involved,
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  Speaker 1: and it made for a good All Star weekend. I think,
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  Speaker 1: honestly one of the best in a very long time.
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  Speaker 1: Like players were really playing defense out there. Players just
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to get one up, and I think it
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  Speaker 1: really makes some real noise when you really put the
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  Speaker 1: USA versus the international players. I do think that the
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  Speaker 1: US players do feel like there's a narrative that they
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  Speaker 1: aren't as good as the top international players and where
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  Speaker 1: I mean, but they really aren't if we look at
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  Speaker 1: history historically over the last couple of years, like all
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  Speaker 1: the MVPs international players. So I do think there was
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  Speaker 1: a point to prove, a narrative that was being pushed,
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  Speaker 1: and they really like played into it. And I think
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  Speaker 1: seeing guys like Lebron, like Kevin Durant and especially Kawhi Leonard,
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  Speaker 1: the older guys really stepping up and having big time games,
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  Speaker 1: and Kawhi Leonard dude thirty one points in twelve minutes
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  Speaker 1: on ten for twelve shooting. I know, I ain't ever
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  Speaker 1: seen Kawhi Leonard to get that hot in his entire career,
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  Speaker 1: but he he's always capable of do it because the
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  Speaker 1: shots so pure. But dude was just no no matter
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  Speaker 1: who you put in front of him. He was getting
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  Speaker 1: his and that low key yeah, he made him draw
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  Speaker 1: the foul like he drew the foul on Wimby, and like, dude,
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  Speaker 1: he was just feeling it. But then I do think
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  Speaker 1: the format kind of felt a little bit because the
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  Speaker 1: old the USA stripes stripes ended up playing three straight games,
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  Speaker 1: and those.
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  Speaker 2: Old guys were kind of guys.
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  Speaker 1: They got gassed and got torched by the USA stars
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  Speaker 1: who really rested for like thirty forty minutes and.
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  Speaker 2: They just throw a download through a download.
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  Speaker 1: To Jayalen during a couple of times and ate a
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  Speaker 1: couple of threes and it was pretty much over from there.
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  Speaker 1: But other than that, dude, it was a great All
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  Speaker 1: Star weekend. I think that they really succeeded. I think
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  Speaker 1: Wimby being the goat that he is, I think there
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  Speaker 1: there's a need for that player, a need for that
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  Speaker 1: player in the NBA who does not care what other
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  Speaker 1: people think. He's gonna show up no matter what and
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  Speaker 1: play hard. And that's Wimby. He does that in every game.
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  Speaker 1: You can tell an interview interview that he that he
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  Speaker 1: has that he's always there to definitely make sure that
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  Speaker 1: he's the number one guy in the entire world, and
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  Speaker 1: that's gonna what's gonna push the future of the NBA forward,
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  Speaker 1: especially him being only twenty two years old. Like there's
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  Speaker 1: so much more at this team that he can do
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  Speaker 1: and that the league can gravitate towards in mindset when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to participating in the All Star Game.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just being able to set the tone really changed
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  Speaker 2: the way they played and all that, and I enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 2: I intoyed it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I really do feel like I want to
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  Speaker 1: see where they get the All Star reserved from. Like
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  Speaker 1: I really do think I want to see who gets
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  Speaker 1: in and who doesn't. Like personally, I understand Pascal Siakam
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  Speaker 1: as a dog, he deserves to be an All Star
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  Speaker 1: because he's an All Star caliber player, but being last
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  Speaker 1: place in the NBA you should not be in the
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  Speaker 1: Like as a player, I understand that you are consistently
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  Speaker 1: this great player, but just team record has a lot
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  Speaker 1: to do with it. Like, I still think that even
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  Speaker 1: without bias the Spurs only having one person in the
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  Speaker 1: All Star Game until then, the reserves were able to
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  Speaker 1: take over and it was Dear and Fox was able
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  Speaker 1: to play in the game. I still think that was
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  Speaker 1: kind of crazy. You know, the number three team consistently
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  Speaker 1: number two team all season only had one player in that.
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  Speaker 1: I thought that was kind of ridiculous. And then just
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  Speaker 1: a couple of other or other instances like Kawhi Leonard
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  Speaker 1: didn't even receive a single vote, like he was a
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  Speaker 1: part of the comistry. A yeah, the commissioner's ad was
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  Speaker 1: Kawhi Leonard. And Kawhi Leonder's arguably having the best season
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  Speaker 1: of his entire NBA career this year, averaging twenty eight
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  Speaker 1: points per game, being the two way problem that he is.
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  Speaker 1: And I was listening that to Brian Winhorse talked about
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  Speaker 1: the other day that Kawhi Leonard is still technically on
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  Speaker 1: fresh legs in the NBA, Like he's played a long time,
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  Speaker 1: but he hasn't played a lot because of injuries. So like,
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  Speaker 1: if you want to look at lower body, like health
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  Speaker 1: maybe might be in question, but as far as maybe
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  Speaker 1: probably having a longer career, Kawi Leonard could definitely do
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  Speaker 1: it if he stays healthy because he hasn't played as
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  Speaker 1: much games as other superstars in the NBA.
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  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I forget this stat, but it's like it's
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  Speaker 2: all I always see it I see it like every
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  Speaker 2: now and then. It's like Kawhi is so hard to
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  Speaker 2: judge all time because he has like two finals MVPs, like.
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  Speaker 1: Too, Defensive player of the Year.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like Defensive Player of the Year, like two rings.
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  Speaker 2: But then he has like the same amount of points
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  Speaker 2: as it's some role player. I gotta look it up.
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  Speaker 2: But it's literally like insane, how like how much he's played.
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  Speaker 2: He hasn't played a lot in his career due to
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  Speaker 2: these injuries, and yeah, he's he showed like how great
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  Speaker 2: of a player he is. I was thinking about, like
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  Speaker 2: where would he rank if he was healthy his whole career?
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  Speaker 2: Like he's literally the perfect basketball player. Yeah, like literally
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  Speaker 2: like he's like there's basketball from shooting, like from like
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  Speaker 2: fundamentally to like form shooting, build like hand side like
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  Speaker 2: every single bro. Yeah, like it's I'm gonna look up
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  Speaker 2: that stat real fast. But no, yeah, that's insane to me.
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  Speaker 1: I agree, like I I think Kawhi Leonard's career is
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  Speaker 1: hard to gage. I understand that I I don't like
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  Speaker 1: him because of, you know, just being a Spurs fan,
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  Speaker 1: but I have to give respect to due Kawhi Leonard
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  Speaker 1: has definitely turned into I think when he does play
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  Speaker 1: and he's fully healthy, he's probably a top five player
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  Speaker 1: in the world, top seven player in the world at least.
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  Speaker 1: There's not many guys that can do what Kawhi Leonard
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  Speaker 1: can do when he's at his best, and we saw
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  Speaker 1: it in all Stour weekend. Not many guys can go
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  Speaker 1: and do that against star talent who is playing defense
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  Speaker 1: all the time, and Kawhi Leonard at any moment can
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  Speaker 1: do that and the shots so pure. I mean, you
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  Speaker 1: can definitely see Chip England in that shooting form. But
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  Speaker 1: it's also to the standpoint like when he is healthy,
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  Speaker 1: when he is playing, every team that he's ever been
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  Speaker 1: on has been one of the best teams in the
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  Speaker 1: NBA at the given moment that he has been good.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look at the Los Angeles Clippers when he
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: came back, they went on a run after starting the
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  Speaker 1: season absolutely terrible. I don't know about in the second
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  Speaker 1: half of the season if they're really gonna put it
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  Speaker 1: together because they lot they traded away a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: star players. But I do think that he has shown
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  Speaker 1: and he is showing that he's still one of those guys.
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  Speaker 1: He's still one of the best players in the world,
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  Speaker 1: one of the best players in the NBA. It's just
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  Speaker 1: like you're saying, from a career standpoint, can you really
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  Speaker 1: argue him top twenty You can't. Can you argue him
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  Speaker 1: top thirty? Maybe? I don't know. I just don't see
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  Speaker 1: him that high because of injuries and missing basketball games,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that, like multiple players deal with this,
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  Speaker 1: but as far as Kawhi Leonards, you can definitely see
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  Speaker 1: what he can be in who he is when he
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  Speaker 1: is playing. So the gauging his career is makes it
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  Speaker 1: very difficult.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I found the stat and it doesn't tell
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  Speaker 2: me who he has the same like career points as
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  Speaker 2: but he literally he reached fifteen one hundred. He surpassed
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  Speaker 2: fifteen hundred and twenty twenty four. Like that's insane. He's
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  Speaker 2: fifteen thousand, Yeah, fifteen thousand, my bed. He like he
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  Speaker 2: passed fifteen thousand in twenty twenty four and he ranks
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  Speaker 2: twenty sixth in the regular season point or career point
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  Speaker 2: among active players. Like that's insane to me, And like
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: he's been one of the most tenured players in the league.
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  Speaker 2: He's a VET. That's insane to me. So it is
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  Speaker 2: really hard to rank him like you were saying, because
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  Speaker 2: I do truly think he's one of the best players
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  Speaker 2: we've ever seen of our generation. I think, like no,
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  Speaker 2: but I agree, but you just can't we like you said,
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  Speaker 2: we can't put him up there, Like I feel like
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  Speaker 2: it has to get to a point, but I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: It's just wild to me how he's this great player
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  Speaker 2: and he's still able to do it, but like he
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  Speaker 2: barely surpassed fifteen thousand points like two years ago and
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: he's barely started playing again, So that's crazy to me.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Where he doesn't even rank. I think it's like he's
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: outside of the top one hundred of all time in scoring.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think I think when all of us
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: kind of make a top ten list, we kind of
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: disregard Kawhi Leonard all the time. Like I don't think
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: anyone really ever brings him up like we look at
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: let's say the top five is like a Jokic, Sga Wimby, Johannis, Mmm,
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: who I mean, Luca Luca not in not in any
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: particular order. Luca does top five, then right there, you
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: maybe have Anthony Edwards, Tyer, not Tyers, Tyliburn, Anthony Edwards
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Jason Tatum. I'm trying to think. I'm like going blank. Wise,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: I think of players right.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Now, top three Americans, he has to be top four,
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: top five Americans. Maybe Jalen Brunson's in that range.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see Jalen Brunson definitely up there, and
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: we tend to forget to put him there now. And
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you, Like I think he's
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: He's undoubtedly better than players like Pascal Siakam. I think
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: he's better than Devin Booker. I think he's better than
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: even uh who, who was I about to say, Dude,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: I just went totally blank. Okay, and Steph Curry, we're
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: forgetting Steph Curry. Steph Curry is up there too, but
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: like he's definitely from that seven to ten range when
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: fully healthy, like him and Kevin Durant. Oh, Kevin Durant
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: as well is also in that top ten. Yeah, I
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: mean right now at this point in his career, Like,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: I just think there's too much this year, at least,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: there's too much minutes restrictions for him. He's missing back
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: to backs, like he's not really playing a lot, deliberately
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: sitting out of games right now and uh, I just
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: think he's trying to stay healthy for the playoffs and
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: that's totally fine. He's forty three years old, Like what
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: do you want to go?
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: And then but as far as Kawhi, we we tend
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: to forget him in conversations, and I do think that
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: narrative does have to change. It's just kind of one
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: of those points like Zion, who where would Zion be
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: if he played every game? Joelanbiid would arguably be a
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: top three player in the entire NBA if he was
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: playing game Yeah yeah. And and the thing is, yeah,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: and joelan Bid definitely has the like win healthy, the
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: pace to do.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: That scoring this year too.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's hard to play. Yeah yeah, Yeah, he's going
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: crazy when he does play. And that's every that's every
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: time he does play. But I think Kawhi Leonard's in
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: that group where not that he's a what if because
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: we've seen him at his best, but it's also what if,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: you know, what if Coahi Leonard was healthy all the time?
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: What if? What if never did it? You know? So
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: that's that's just that's really where it starts from, you know,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: where what what if never stepped on that ankle, and
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: how how different when we look at Kawhi Leonard's career.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Is there any o those players in history like that
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: like that we can think of.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, too easy to say, Yeah, actually, I mean
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: I I think I think Grant Hill and him have
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: the perfect.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Grant Hill, That's who I was thinking of.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Grant Hill was better immediately, Like he was way better
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: immediately than Kawilond, Like at least by year six, Grant
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Hill was a like five time All NBA, which I
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: don't think has ever made. Maybe he's made a first
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: team All NBA one time, but I don't know if
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: he's made many All NBA teams. He made for sure
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: a bunch of all defensive teams, but I don't know
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: about all NBA teams as far. But Grant Hill was
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: definitely five time All, six time All Star, five time
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: All NBA Rookie of the Year, scoring twenty four to
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: eighty six.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: It's not first team. Oh he made it three times
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: first team three times?
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so he's writing nice, So he's right there.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Kind of close, I guess. But as far as I think,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Grant Hill was immediately better, but Kawhi Leonard definitely, Like, Okay,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I think he's around that narrative, around that that conversation like, no,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't know if I want to start
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: that topic right now, Like is Tracy McGrady better was
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: going to say, yeah, Ray Allen's not better.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Than so Penny in that conversation.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Now, I think personally he's better than Penny Hardaway. I
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: think Penny Hardaway got two injured, Like his career derailed
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: like pretty quickly after Orlando, after they had their little
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: run in the mid nineties. But then Kawhi Leonard I
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: think has shown more over a majority of a career
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: on how good he can be.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just just hard to gauge with all these injuries.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: But I don't know.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: We're not We're not saying he's the spot. He commented,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: I might not put in bed top ten all time.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: There were many great players in the past, guys. We're
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: not putting him top ten. We're saying talent wise, like
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: he would has the potential to be a top ten
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: player like a Jokic is well, he definitely.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Top ten in but Embiid was literally at a point
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: in his career before he got hurt. He was more
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: likely to drop forty than he was twenty.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, yeah, and that would think our argument that
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: if he was healthy he could be he would have
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: a pretty good story arc. I do think that when
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: it matters the most, Jokic shows up more, you know. Like,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: I think Jokic has proven as that he is a winner.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: And the NBA Championship matters, three trime, MVP matters, and
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: health does matter. But it's if Embiid was healthy, I
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: think there would be a whole lot of different conversations
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: happening because I think he's shown that he could be
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: the best player in the world any given night when
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: he is healthy, you know. And there's not many players
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: who have been the best player in the world at
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: certain points in their career.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and beat healthy is a different animal. I feel
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: like people forget how good Embiid was.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: He's not He's not better than this guy's better than
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: he's better better.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: He's not better.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay. We had this conversation a couple of weeks ago. Spy,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't know, I don't know, maybe becoming
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: his name, maybe I know him. But Derek Rose to
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: me was never a top five player in the NBA ever,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: like he was never a top five player in the NBA. Like,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: I'm taking five guys over him that season he won
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: m v P. Like I'm still taking Lebron, I'm still
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: taking Kobe Bryant. I'm still taking Dirk Nowisky, I'm still
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: taking Tim Duncan, I'm still taking Kevin Durant. Like there,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: there's still all those guys that I would argue over him.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: He had a great season m v P. S Dalen
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Brown is gonna probably win MVP this year. If SGA
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: does not get the game yeah, and if you kitch
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: An SGA don't get the game requirement, then Jalen Brown
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: is probably gonna win the MVP. But is he ever
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: gonna be argued in the top ten? I don't. I
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: don't think he will be top five. I don't think
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: he will be definitely not top five. He's not top five,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: top ten, yeah, yeah, but Tatum is gonna come back,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: so then it's gonna Like it's not a knock on
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Derek Rose, it's just a matter of like, people have
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: good seasons, and he had a really great season and
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: he was a really great player, but I think he
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: was more of that six to ten range than he
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: was that one to five. So we're gonna move on
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: to the next topic right here, which I think the
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: All Star Game. Let us talking about Kawhi Leonard.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about Kahi Leonard, like I think
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: there's that narrative, Like I think not that Devin Booker
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: is ever gonna have the six same success as Kawi Leonard,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: but that Devin Booker's in that same boat as well
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: because he's so good. He's shown how good he can be,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: but he just has never produced anything worthy to remember,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: like as far as playoff wins, championships, which does have
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: you know? So that these narrat their their careers are
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: hard to judge right now, So next agree, we're gonna
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: move into second half of the season prediction or let's
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: do I want to do NBA Awards or second half
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: of the season predictions.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: First, let's do predictions and then we'll do the second half.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: All right. So as far as like MVP, where are
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: you sitting right now? I know where you're sitting, but
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: we're your real thoughts if if this doesn't happen, all right, So,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: as you know, loyal listeners, I'm an SGA guy, and
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: that's who I have as my MVP candidate.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: But he has to play sixteen out of his twenty
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: six games to be able to qualify for this. I
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: think he will, but if he doesn't, I think it'll
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: probably be it can be Yoki. Yoki will probably miss
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: a couple of games, yeah, when we can.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: We can only miss four more, when we can only
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: miss four more games for to qualify for awards.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: So he might. Yeah, I was thinking, like writing my
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: notes about like the the awards, I put like, well,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: we'll get to it later, winby for an award, but
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: like I'm gonna have to switch someone, like I was
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: thinking about it just now too, Like I'm he might
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: not win it. But yeah, if SGA doesn't win it,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: I would say Kid, yeah over Jalen. I'm not gonna
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: lie the way Kid has led this team to uh
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: I'll talk about okay, and then I'll get into my
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: SGA case. But the way Kid has been able to
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: not really will but be able to facilitate, be able
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: to just bring this team up and raised, raised the floor,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: raised their ceiling as a point guard, just be able
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: to take command of this team and really be a
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: leader it's just showed so much and propelled him to
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: the number one seed. Yeah and yeah, just the way
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: he balling night in, night out, and he does it all. Bro,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: He's not just a score, he's not just a playmaker.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: He does it all. He's a decent defender. He's like
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: not an all world defender, but he's a bigger guy,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: so it's not like he's a cone or anything. But yeah,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: that's my case for kid. But as for SGA, I
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: just don't think it's close. To be honest, I think
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: that him being able to just have the season he's having,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: he's literally putting up he's putting up thirty two seven
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: and like five close to five rebounds, and he's doing
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: off of amazing efficiency. He's almost at fifty forty fifty
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: ninety fifty forty ninety, And we just haven't seen this
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: from a Garden, Like even Harden wasn't doing this. But
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Harden has never been the efficient type. This is like
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Jordan numbers, like, yes.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Oh there's not there's not many players that I've ever
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: done this yet.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: No, like literally he might win unanimous MVP.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Honestly, you know there's I if I'm a by prediction
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: it's SGA, Like I think SGA is the MVP of
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: the NBA this year. I mean, I can't. I want
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: to say Wimby. I want to say Wimby. I just can't.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I can't say Wimby's the MVP. I just don't think.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I think he has the same amount of impact. He's
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: the best. I think Winby has the biggest impact in
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: the NBA as both offensive and a defensive player. No
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: one can change the game like he can't. But as
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: far as like who does who is the game changer,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: who is the game wrecker? Like as far as just
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: one side of the basketball, and who is also a
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: great on the other side as well, it's SGA, Like there's.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: People don't realize how good he is. Like we even
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: talked about it a couple of pods ago and I.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Don't want struggled, like the team struggled without having a
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: second ball handler, and we like without him on the
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: court in general, and people that was like people were
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: talking about it last year and I've been telling people
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: like he's so people overrate the team, if that makes sense, Like, yes,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: the team's good.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: I've been saying it for since last year.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I think I think the Thunder are overrated. Like I've
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: said this multiple there.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: All right, I'll get to that lady. But like they
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: overrate the the team without him is what I'm saying.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Like they're like, if you take him off, then they're
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: like playoff team still Like no, bro, Like they don't
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: realize how important SGA is to the Okay see Thunder,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Like look what they they literally lost to the Bucks.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: It's Ben Jang went crazy revenge game, bro. And yeah,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: he's just being able to and he really got his
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: playmaking up this year, being able to jump up to
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: seven close to seven assists. Yeah, and that's where he
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: did struggle a little bit last year, but being able
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: to get that up just read the floor become this
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: great efficient score. It's just yeah, I just don't see
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: it any happening any other way. And to be honest,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: he might win, you know, unanimous MVP, like the second
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: time since Curry. No one's put up there like this
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: since Curry.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: That's what I was going to bring up. So as
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: far as SGA, well, I do think he's the clear
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: cut unanimous MVP this year, with disregarding if he somehow
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: misses ten games, you know which I don't think he
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: will miss ten games. I think there's a reason why
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: he set out through All Star Break. I think Stephen
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Curry had the highest shooting percentage and in NBA history
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: when it came to just on a fifty four ninety
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: split and when he won unanas MVP on on more
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: on less on more shot attempts, well on less shot attemps.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: SGA is having this, uh just the same rate, if
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: not higher. I believe. I believe SGA's at a seventy
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: two percent true shooting percentage while Stephan Cray with at
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: sixty nine percent true shooting and in his unanimous MVP,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: I do think that I don't think it's nearly I
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: don't think it's as good as Stephen Curry because what
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Stephen Curry does off ball is uncomparable to you want
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: an be a history. I think at his peak, he's
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: one of the best offensive players in the history of basketball.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Might not might even be the best Stephen Curry. But
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: SGA is definitely right in that conversation as well, and
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: that you like you are saying, it's my biggest knock on.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Ok see, where is that secondary ball handler and where
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: is that guy that's gonna take over a game when
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: SGA is having a twenty six point game night, you know, like,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: where's that other guy? And there just hasn't been that.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: One time this season he's been outscored. JDub did it
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: one time. Chet Holmgren only scores around like twelve to
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: fourteen points per game on a consistent basis, at least,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: like I know, he's averaging around sixteen. Yeah, definitely not Chet,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. But as far as JDub, J's supposed to
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: be that secondary scorer, but he just doesn't outscore SGA ever.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: And I think SJA consistently being the main guy on
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: his team night in and night out. Understand superstar is
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: supposed to do that, but to do that for eighty
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: two straight games in the season and that is insane.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: He's constantly stepping up to the plate and doing big
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: things for his team. And defensively, he's one of the
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: best better defenders in the NBA. And yeah, so if
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: I weren't to pick SGA, my second choice, like you said,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: would be Kate Cunningham. I think Kate Cunningham. What he's
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: done with Detroit Pistons gritty defense, he's become easily one
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: of the best two way players in the entire NBA.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: He has taken over offensively, defensively. Without Kate Cunningham, this
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Detroit Pistons team might be the worst team, one of
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: the worst teams in the Eastern Conference. Yeah, because Kate
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Cunningham does so much for this basketball team that it's insane.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Like I do think when no one saw them even
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: getting close to the one seed this year, I think
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: they saw them around the four, four or five seed,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: maybe the third seed. And right now they're the best record,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: They're they're tied for the best record I believe in
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: the NBA because the thunder have one more loss than them,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: And I think what they have done and what they
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: have built over there is great for Detroit because it's
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: been a long time coming, Like they legit have not
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: had this type of success really ever since. Like they
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: won the NBA Championships in four in four and they
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: lost in five to the San Antemnos first. So yeah,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: And then my thing is for I don't think he
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: makes the games, Like he only has two more games
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: to miss, and I don't think he makes it. And
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: that's kind of sad because obviously Jokic is nikally Jokic,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: And I think if Luca has a chance at winning MVP,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: I think Luca. The thing is Luca's the thing is,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: I think everyone's floor, Like if we look at Sga,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: we look at Jokic, their floor, their ceiling is I
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: think Luca has, if not a higher ceiling than those guys.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Like I think no one takes over a basketball game
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: like Luka Doncics does offensively, like we've quite literally never
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: seen anyone that good of a score in NBA history,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Like he's better than Will all time at scoring the basketball,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: and that's that's crazy. And like no one touches him
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: in offensive pure offensive basketball. And obviously he's a pretty
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: bad defender, like he's he's not the worst, he's an
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: average defender, but he does get caught back all the time,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: and it's it's hurt his team. And I think that's
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: where his floor is lower than anyone else, because if
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Luca is having a bad game, he cannot produce, Like
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: he just can't. He's just not the same as these
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: other guys who can play defensively. I know Jokic doesn't
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: play great defense, but what Jokic does as far as
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: rebounding and being a big man and facilitating from his position.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: It does a lot more than a guy that's a
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: point guard who consistently has to have the ball in
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: his hand and can't play defense. So I think that's
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: where he's always gonna finish third in the conversation most
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: of the time is because he just has those moments
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: where you need Luca to play big time on defense
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: when he's not having a great offensive night, and it
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: just doesn't happen. And I think for him to win MVP,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: he has to step up to the plate, go absolutely
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: new clear in the fight in this last stretch and
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: probably jump to the third seed, get as close to
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: the Spurs as he can, and maybe a couple of
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: players miss out on games and he just out thoroughly
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: outplays Kate Cunningham in everything, which I think he will
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: because he's a better basketball player offensively, but he'll have
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: to get to that third seed at least for him
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: to have a chance at even being considered MVP this year.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think for Luca to win, it's gonna
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: have to be his His best shot was twenty four,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: right like whenever he was with the MAVs, whenever he
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: went to the finals, that was his best shot, and.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: He finished the third last year. I think, didn't he
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: or no, he didn't have the game requirement. He didn't
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: have the game requirement.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: No, And I think the reason for that, the reason
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: it was his closest is because the team was more
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: sent built around him, so it made him look like
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: a better defender. Like this team, this Lakers team, it's
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: showing how bad of a defender he is. I feel
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: like the days this team is not good defense, This team, yeah,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: terrible bad. Like the MAVs they like covered, they were
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: so good at defense. They shadowed him, And I felt
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: like that was never really a talking to point talking
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: point of his, Like yes it was, but not as
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: major as it is now. Maybe because he's in LA,
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: but I don't know. I just feel like now that
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: there's like a lack of defenders here in LA, it's
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: just being like exacerbated of how bad of a defender,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: of how bad a defender he is, and it just plays.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: It's part of the game. Like this isn't football where
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: you're just an offensive player and you're just a defensive player.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: You're you're a basketball player. You're playing both sides constantly.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Most of the time, he's not even getting back on defense.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: He's literally just complaining to the ref. And I love Luca.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: I love Luca, don't get me wrong, but the constant
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: complaining to the ref. He's just complaining rather than running
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: back to defense, and it's irritating to watch. I'm not
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: gonna lie, but yeah, I just don't think unless unless
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: his defensive weaknesses get shadowed, like with better players around
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: him than I don't think he'll ever be able to
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: win it anytime soon. Like Sga and uh Jokic, they
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: have like the perfect team around them to where like
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: their deficiencies, Like Sga is not a very a bad defender,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: but like whenever.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: He's he's a great, I think he's a great. Yeah.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: I just don't think he has to defend as hardy
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: exactly because he has people around him who can similar
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: to Jokic, and does have good hands. I'll give that
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: to him, like he has good hands.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Like whenever I think he's playing smart, like he tries
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: playing as smart as you possibly.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Can smarter, we're smarter, not harder.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I think as far as like a
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: star like a star player in basketball, like it's much
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: more impactful than a star player in football and in baseball.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Like I I totally like, like, I think SGA's impact
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: on a basketball game is much higher than show Heytanis
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: And people are gonna think that's crazy, But people say,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: so Is is a great pitcher hitter, but show Hate probably
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: bats four times a game, you know, and he only
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: pitches won every once every three or four games. You know.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: It's like he's really like his availability. As far as
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: like an SGA or these top players, like they don't
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: get off the court, like they're they're constantly playing two
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: ways and if they're missing time, these teams are at
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: a detriment all the time. I know it's different sports,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: but I'm just saying an NBA players impact a top
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: NBA players is a bunch more because as far as
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: a quarterback on the other side, like he's only playing
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: fifty percent of the time, you know. So I think
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: these guys are constantly on the court. And I think
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: where Luca Latin is that what you're seeing is that
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: is that ability to take over on a defensive end
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: of the basketball. If Luca played defense a little bit
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: better defense, Luca might be the best player in the world, like,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: I like, that's the thing. So and because his offensive
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: game is just so elite, like we've never seen it before,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Like people say Sga, But if Luca's at his a game,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: there's not many players who can do what he can do.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Not even Sga can't pull up from three like and
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: create his own shot any woman like Luka Doncic. Sorry,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: he just can't like and Luka Doncics inside inside mid
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: range is better than almost anybody. So that that's the
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: that is the narrative around him. So you want to
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: move on to the next world? Is move onants to
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: d p o y you know.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Who do you have?
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Let me guess obviously, if he meets the game, I
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: think anyone if anyone says anything different, if if Winby happens,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: the only missed three games, like he's will.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: I don't think he will. I think he plays every game.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: You think he plays every game like I think if
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: it's in him, like, I don't think he's gonna want to.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: I don't think he wants to lose another defensive Player
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: of the Year. That's exactly He's already missed out on
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: two like definitely because the first one he got robbed
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: and then the last one, I mean blood cloth Rudy
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: is a dope then but then the second one blood
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: clots and then misses time and then still leads to
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: a league by one hundred blocks and doesn't even win
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year. But I understand the rule.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I think there's not much to explain. I
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: think Victor Wimbanyama wins by a mile if he played,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: if he has all the game requirements, but obviously that
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: has to be taken into consideration. Four games is only
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: a little bit in the NBA, you know, And we've
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: seen the Spurs. They're very the Spurs are very cautious
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: when it comes to Victor Wimbanyama. Any little thing, he's
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: out at least a game or two, you know. So
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: that's they're always monitoring him because they're keeping him, they're
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: keeping him as safe. But if it's not him, I
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: think by far it's Chet home Green. I think, like I,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: I will say what Chet lacks on offense, and he
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: does lack on offense. I'm not gonna be like a
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Chet believer on offense until I see it on it
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: because we haven't seen it since his Rooki year. We
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: haven't seen Chet since his rookie year really take off.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: But as far as defense, he's the second best defensive
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: player of the NBA, and I don't think it's close.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Like I think what he does and drop coverage, what
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: he's able to do off screen, and rolls, what he's
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: able to do just guarding the into You're sure he
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: can be had sometimes down low, and but that's just
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: just the guy's being bigger, you know, like like just strongly.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: And he's like this, bro, He's literally like.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: This, yeah, like and getting him off his off his feet.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: We've seen like smaller bigger players do, like Keldon Johnson
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: do it like he's done it a couple of times
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: to him, but that's just a rarity, Like not everyone's
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: doing that to Chet home Grid all the time. Yeah
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: he does, he does seeming But yeah, but as far
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: as Chet, like what he's able to do, He's not
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: able to guard point as good, but he can still
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: hang hang hold his own but two through but having
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: that that interior presence, he's definitely number two in the
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: entire NBA in my opinion, because he's how athletic he
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: is compared to Gobert or Evan Mobley. Just I just
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: feel like he's just not that guy, you know, like
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: that like like he's good, but he's not these guys.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: You know, he's not taking over a game defensively. And
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: I just think Scotty Barns as are aman, Like they
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: can't guard one through five consistently, like like the chat can.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: And I feel like people people bring up the like
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: the fact that it's always big men, and yeah, I
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: think it does kind of suck, like maybe there should
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: be like a guard vision and then like a big man.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: But like you said, they can't guard one through five,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: like that's the difference. Like, yes, yes, guards do deserve
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: their flowers, like Marcus Smart won that year, and there's
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: like many other great wing wing defenders, but they can't
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: guard one through five like these two guys can't. And yeah,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to give my My prediction is Wimby obviously.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: If he makes he's literally probably one of the best
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: defensive players ever, if not the best, Like you see
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: the advance and he's.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Having down here this year, which is a crazy party's
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: down here.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: It's literally insane how good of a defender he is.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Dudes literally don't like they changed the game up when
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: he's in the game, Like we've.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Changed their games when he's in the game.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, bro, Like I love Winby, but I don't bro
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: because like I like, okay, see, so like I don't
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: like to glaze him. But gosh, this dude is he's
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: an amazing defender. He literally literally.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Half court offense. Like he eliminates your your ability to
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: set up a bit because you're forced to shoot mid ranges.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: The only chance you have is beating Wimby off the
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: dribble when he's like trying to adjust, Like that's really
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: the only chance you have. And then also like when
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: you allow him to set up in the paint, you
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: really could only settle for tough jump shots. And that's
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: where the Spurs win, you know, like.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: S he got them tough jump shots. He made a
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: couple of shots.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But also the Spurs also are one of the
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: better teams that defending him. Also, they let him do
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: what they want, but they let everyone else beat them
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: and it just hasn't worked out.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: And he also blocked Wimby. Yeah yeah, he bloged Wimby too, boy,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: but for one for one and then so the second
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: in this race or the winner if Winby doesn't make
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: what I would also put chet, And I feel like
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: people people take his offensive deficiencies like I know you don't,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: but people take his offensive deficiencies and they're just like, oh,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: he's such a bad player, like he's so bad, Like
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: they don't watch the other side. They forget that it's
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: like two sides of the game. They forget that, Like
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: he's literally the second best defender in the league. If
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Wimby wasn't in the league, this dude would be like Wimby,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: This dude would be like who everyone's talking about, Like
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: he would be like the unicorn who everyone's like. They
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: would be glades in Chet. They would be the one
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: who's like, oh, this dude is insane. But no, Wimby's
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: in the league, so obviously he can't.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Think maybe if was on another team, his offensive game
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: may go way more up, but like it's just he
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: doesn't have to be that guy, so.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: He just he He displayed it a little bit more
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: in the playoffs, Like there were games wherever whenever he
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: would he would go crazy, And then there were games
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: there was.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: A or he don't like eight points.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: Points point, but then he'd go crazy on defense. I
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: don't know if feels against the Nuggets or the Pacers
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: or the Pacers, but he had like twelve points and
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: he like made a couple of threes and then like
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: his defense was immaculate. And I think that's just that's
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: what I what I see for Okay See, Like I
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: know you say they lack ball handlers and stuff, but
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: like when have they ever been an offensive team. They've never.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: They've always had this defensive identity where it's kind of
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: like the Allen Iverson in the Sixers mode, like where
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: it's just a scorer and then just these defenders. Like
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: they have SGA who's like this perennial score, this all
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: time score, and then they just surround him with defenders
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: who are like gonna lock you down in the playoffs,
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Like that's what playoff basketball is. It's defense. It's half
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: court offense and like insane defense. And I think that
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: that's like, yes, I get what you're saying, like the
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: second ball handler, but that's just my take on it.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: Like I don't like, okayse He's never been this offensive
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: team like where they've had to like come out and
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: out play Sga. He's the one who sets the standard
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: and then they just fill in the stats after him,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: and then that's whenever they're able to come in and
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: just play this defense and be able to do what
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: they need to do. And yeah, that's just my opinion
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: on how I see the scene. All right.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's move on to the next one. Let's
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: do NBA Rookie of the Year. Who's your guy? Who's
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: your pick? Right now?
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: I think I think you know where I'm going with this.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: I think I think you're wrong if you might know
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: where you're going with this, But I think I think
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: I think any other season, No, it's valid. I think
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: any other season, definitely. But at least give me King Khan.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Give me kan Can Nipple of this Charlotte Owners. This
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: dude has been my guy since before the draft, bro,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: and I just got to give it to him, bro,
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: like uh being able. He's having literally the best rookie
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: shooting season ever. I believe, like no one, no one
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: in the rookiear has been able to shoot like this
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: and just being able to average. I think he's averaging
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: close to twenty on a team that's surging right now.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: They're playing really good basketball. And I think I saw
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: a stat where it was like the highest net ratings
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: or highest point different differentials between or within a season,
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: and Hornets were literally number one. It was. It was
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: an insane stat But Con Kinnipple being able to come
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: into the come into uh this team and just be
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: able to change them, like change their outlook, change their
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: whole view on their future and whatever they may have seen.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: It's made LaMelo look better. It's made Brandon Miller, like,
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that they're bad players, but with this
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: addition of kN Kinnipple, they weren't doing this last season.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: For being honest, like, yes, they might have had like
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: these these scoring outbursts, and like LaMelo has those every
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: once in a while unicorn games like where he does
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: what he does, but this edition of this shooting from
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: Con Knipple is just otherworldly. Like literally he's having the
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: best rookie shooting season we've seen in NBA history and
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: just being able to add on top of this Hornets team.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: And yeah, they had like a nine game win streak
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: at one point in this season. They're gonna make the playoffs.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: I think they're gonna make the playoffs. They're gonna win.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: It went through the playing tournament and yeah, I just
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: gotta give it to my guy kN Kannipple. Yes, Cooper's
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: been playing good, but con with being able to uh
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: have this out this uh like scoring output and just
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: production while having LaMelo Ball and Brandon Miller on your team,
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: I just think that's crazy to me.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have to disagree. I think definitely a
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: really great basketball player. I think for years to come,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: he's gonna be an absolute problem in the Eastern Conference.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: I think he might be the main guy for the
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: future of the Charlotte Hornets, but in a big But
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: there's a guy that lives in Dallas that I plays
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: for a team that I do not like, and he
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: happens to probably be one of the best rookies we've
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: ever seen, and that's Cooper Flag. Yeah, Cooper Flag is
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: absolutely insane, and what he's been doing over the last
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: month has been absolutely insane, averaging what like twenty six
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: points per game in the month.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: In this last month's going insane.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: I'm just padding thirty four and forty nine like and
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: as a rookie twenty on nearly seven rebounds and five
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: assists with two stocks a night. Like I doubted. I
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: knew he was gonna be a great defender coming into
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: the NBA. Like, I think he was always going to
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: be a great defender no matter what. He just has
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: the archetype, athleticism, body type. He's always going to be
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: a great defender bar none in the NBA, even if
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: his offensive game happens to it. But what has he
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: shown that he has an offensive game that he's able
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: to translate that it did not matter that his people
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: thought his slow step was going to be a problem,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: but rather if he's driving more than almost anybody in
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: the NBA, close to the best in the NBA, and
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: also converting on a high level, and I think that's
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: what's making the difference. And he's showed his three point shot,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: he showed his mid range, he showed I think he
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: has one of those best like he's kind of like
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: SGA to a point, or how he does score the
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: basketball when he gets like those little fifteen footers, fifteen footers,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: the floaters, the little short middies, he is hitting those
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: on a consistent basis, And I think he's making all
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: world of a difference. And I do think it shows
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: a good night SPA. He thank you for hanging out
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: with us, but.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Shout out shout out spa, bro, Hey, you have a
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: good life. Bro, shout out as.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Far as Cooper Bro, Cooper goes crazy like I, I
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: I just gotta give it he. I think it's a
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: landslide right now, like I I barring injury and I
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: they say he's already gonna be back the next this
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: first game they're about to play, and uh, he definitely
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: is showing why he why he was an overall pick.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: I love Dylan Harper. I think Dylan Harper is still
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: the second best player in this class. Just guys in
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: front of him make it hard and he's on a
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: really great team. But definitely Cooper flag is just if
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: the Spurs ended up with that number one pick. More
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: play for the NBA, Gray for the NBA.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Imagine, Yes, I'm a I'll like, I know Coop's gonna
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: win it. I just wanted to say con because that's
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: been my guy since before the draft. But what Coop's
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: been able to do is just insanity. Bro. He's literally
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: like this is like Lebron I'm not even joking, like no,
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: it is literally literally like we like you were saying,
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: we knew he was gonna.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: Same fender, He's the same right now.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: He's supposed to be in college right now. He's supposed
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: to be in college. I'm not even trying to glaze, Like,
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: no glaze, bro, Like he's supposed to be in college
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: right now. This is insane.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: Like I think even in this draft he's number one
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: like this people are saying, like I think he's number six.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: No, bro, no one has this deep Like, yes, Darren
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Peterson has that scoring output, but what we knew.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: The defense, dude, Bro, this is.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: The perfect build. Like we knew coming in to to
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: this season too into his career that he'd be a
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: great defender, like an all NBA defender, like all time defender.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: What like you were saying what we didn't know was
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: his scoring output, and he's proved us wrong. He's literally
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: that's the scary part of his game. Literally, he's putting
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: up these like forty to fifty point performances and he's
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: a better defender than he is an offensive players. Crazy
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: from the three, Bro, he's not three? Is that good?
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: If he was playing in his correct class? Him and
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Cameron Boozer and Cedric Coward never entered the draft early,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: we could literally be seeing Cedric Coward, Cameron Boozer and
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Cooper Flag on the basketball team.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: That's insane, bro, that's insane. That Yah, they were closed
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: to play together, actually like they were, like they would
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: talk about it.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: But yeah, but Conn and Cooper went crazy. Conn and
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: Cooper were pretty good combo. Shout out Conn and Cooper
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: the Dookies. But yeah, I just think that him being
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: able to have this scoring out versus Jason Kidd being
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: able to let him take the reins and give him
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: a point guard rather than letting him run the point
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: guard like from the beginning of the season. And I
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: think it did teach him a little bit. But yeah, man,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: and he is. The only thing he does need to
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: prove improve on is like the three. It's like thirty percent,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: but like Dirk's was like twenty and he ended up
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: just fine.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: He's literally Hall of Famer.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: He'd be fine. Yeah, I think the shot will come.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: I think he's just a rookie. You don't even need
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: it though, Like I think he's gonna refine every part
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: of his game, like and the the last thing he's
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: gonna have to add is shooting, and it's not even
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: gonna matter. Like he's so great, Like it's not even
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: gonna matter, like he what he can do off the
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: dribble right now as this age without and he's still
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: put on here bright the way, he's still gonna put
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: on muscle, like he's still gonna put on.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: Some more weight, like he's he's slim right now. Like
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: this isn't peak. This is a kid.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: He's literally a kid. He's literally a kid.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: He can't even drink, can even go into a bar.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Like crazy Cooper flag con Fuji Harper. This this draft
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: class for me, Bro, Like I'm not even gonna lie.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: I don't remember a draft class in my entire weight.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Just wait, Bro, just wait, you think this next one
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: is gonna be better?
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: Coop Coop is like up here? But then like this
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: other draft class.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: I know AJ Debonsta Okay, Like, okay, I think Darren
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: Peterson AJ Debonsta definitely go above Dylan Harper, like I
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: think I think Dylan Harper is still the second best.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: I think Cam Booser does too. Bro, I'm not gonna
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: lie you think, Bro, it's all right? This is this
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: is my thing with Cam Boozer, Like yes, he's not.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: I think that people are just having like this sort
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: of like fatigue with him. Like yes, he's not this
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: like a flashy guys.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question, he's do you think
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: Duncan Do you think Con is better than Dylan Harper?
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: Like do you think Kankle is better than Dylan Harper?
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: Like like disregarding like what we've seen right now, like
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: do you think he is better.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: Coming out the draft? No? Like as prospects, No, no,
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: that's not how he saw it. And like as you said, yeah,
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: I think hard to gauge, like.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Could on efficiency, like on efficiency Dylan Harper's stats, like
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: if he played Per thirty six as a starter, like
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: he would be like right next both of them, like
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: but also.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: They have different strengths and weaknesses like.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah they play. They all play totally different, like
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: Dylan Harper. Con Con is like the best shooter, like
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: cown off the dribble is not doing what Dylan Harper
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: is doing, like getting to the rack.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: And yeah, but I think, all right, so I think.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: Super Flag might not even be doing what Dylan Harper
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: could do getting to the like like creating like more
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: as far as size.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: Like Fox like Light like when dearon Fox was like
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: in the light the beam era, like what he was
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: able to do Like that's how I see him. But
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: like that's how I saw him, Like as a prospect,
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: I guess like beat just how he's able to get
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: downhill and like use his speed to be able to
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: like depict.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Change of pace is crazy, Like it's just.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, bro, they all I don't know. It's hard for me.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: I really like con Brew he'd be.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: Doing that spin fadeaway that I'd be doing. You know
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: at the he copy your game? Yeah, copyed my game.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: Game after than number one's first fan, Joshua Gercy.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah he did, Bro, he did. All right, let's move
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: on to this, to this next one. All right, let's
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: do let's do six Men of the Year. I think
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: we're probably gonna disagree with this one, Like, who do
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: you think six Men of the Year is?
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna have to go my boy a J. Mitchell.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: He's not gonna have that.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I'll go, Oh, bro, you.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Can pick a J if you want to. You don't
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: gotta change.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's gay too, but cool.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go. Nas Reed has perennially, perennially been like
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: one of the best six men of like of the
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: last couple of years and just being able to come
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: off the bench, being able to be that spark. And
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: he's like one of the reasons the Wolves don't make
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: any big trades. Like if they've ever made a big trade,
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: it's involved Nods Reed. It's either no Reader Jada McDaniels,
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: and they don't want to get rid of either one.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: Like the impact nas Reed brings off the bench, to
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: the three point shooting, being able to come off the
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: come off the bench rebound duty Nissa does do. It's
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: so impactful. And I would say, uh, Nikhil Walker Alexander,
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: but I think he's played too many like he started
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: too many games if I'm being honest, but that would
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: be one and then Aj Mitchell, but I don't think
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: he'll meet the game requirement. But like you said, they've okay,
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: she struggled to have a second secondary ball handler. But
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: Aj Mitchell when he's on the court, he changes the
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: whole aspect of the game him. I think it's like
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: a lineup of him, and I think it's him and Chet,
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: or like him and Kso and Chet. Whenever they're like
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: on the floor, they like create one of the best
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: defensive ratings in the league. And it might be a
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: small sample size, but I think it's a testament to
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: how good A. J. Mitchell has been playing this year
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: and how how much he's improved from being like he
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: didn't play much last year. I think he was he
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: was either hurt or he just didn't get minutes. But
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: being able to mold into this backup point guard that
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: okay see desperately desperately needs is just something that is
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: so valuable to the team and I think it deserves
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: he deserves some votes if if he does meet the thing.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: But that would be my pick, either AJ Mitchell or
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: what's nasried.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna have to agree with both of the
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: disagree with both of those. I'm gonna go with the
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: man with the plan, Kilden Johnson, the Lama Lama boy,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: Kilden Johnson. I I I do think nas. I think
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: it's between Nadre and Keilden Johnson. Like I think it's
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: gonna end up being those two at the end of
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: the day. And I do think I think if if
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: the Spurs finished with probably the number one seed in
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: the NBA, if they can catch a thunder or if
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: they just finished with a clear second place. I think
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: that that's gonna do enough for Kelden Johnson. And if
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: we're gonna look at Kelen Johnson, he has the second
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: most points off the bench this season, and he's not
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: that far off of nas Reed. He I believe has
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: the most offensive rebounds. He's like top five in offensive
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: rebounds this season, and I think he has the most
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: coming off the bench this year. And as far as
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: like true shooting percentage, he has a five percent more
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: true shooting percentage than nas Reed and his offensive impact
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: is a little bit higher than nas Reed as compared
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: on a per game basis, And I just think it's
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: so close between those two, like about who it would be.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: But as far as like this is a bias sports
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: podcast and I am gonna pick Calden Johnson really, but
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: do you think he definitely deserves it. I think his
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: impact on some nights he's taken over basketball games, Like
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: he has led the Spurs to multiple wins this season
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: end points coming off the bench and just creating that
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: spark the Spurs needed multiple times to win basketball games,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: and especially what he does down the stretch in the
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: fourth quarters. He has definitely been a guy that they
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: look to all the time, and I I really do
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: think that Kelvin Johnson deserves to win six manut of
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: a year this year.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: That's valid what he's been able to do this year,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: especially why against the thunder. Yeah, that's what I was
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: about to say, Like being able to get down low
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: and use his strength, to be able to body chat
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: sadly and just be able to grab those boards. It's
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: just it's so instrumental to what the what the Spurs
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: want to do.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, I do honestly do think it's between
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: Nas and Kelton Johnson. Like I I hardly believe that's
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: going to be them too down the stretch. Who's gonna
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: walk away with this? Because I do think.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: That he got killed and.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: Yep, I got killed and all right this we want
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: to this next one, Let's do most improved player? Who
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: for you is the most improved player?
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: I think it's two guys. I think it's between two guys.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: I think we might agree on one.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: I think I think I'll have to go with both.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: These guys are my guys.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: Though, Yeah, I like both these guys too, Like I'm
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: not mad at either. Like that we've been talking about
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: is one year Johnson.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: Or Dinny or Kyanta George. You're going with Kyant George.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: I like, I like ke George. I do you think
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: as far I he hasn't proved long. I love Kyant
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: George basketball like, don't get me wrong, but and I
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: also love but also I love Dinny and Jalen Johnson
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: like amazingly too. So it's just like I have any
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: of those three win, I'm happy, like I'm the happiest man.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, mine was Actually I tried when I did.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: I do the favorite that was my pick.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: Look, I have it right here. I don't know if
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: you could see it. Ryan Rowlins, ket George, those were
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: like I tried. When I did these, I tried not
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: to like, I didn't want to look at like bedding
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: sites or anything because I was I wanted to like
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: do how I thought, like my valuation, and that's who
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: I picked. I picked Ryan Rowlins and Kyanty George. I
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: don't know why Denny and Jyalen and slip my mind,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: but those probably would be the best too. But my
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: picks are going to be Ryan Rawlins and Keyance George.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: Either one of those. Yeah, well, Ryan Rollins has been
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: able to do, and he probably won't win it honestly
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: if they factor in like record, which I don't think
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: they do. If it's like most.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: Improved, I picked him last year.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: Actually yeah, all right, that wasn't a bad pick up time,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: I guess. But Ryan Rowlins, what he's been able to
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: do with Giannis off the court and even on the court,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: I just think he's transformed his career. And he's like
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: on one of the cheapest contracts obviously because he like wasn't.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: This is why he's on the Most Improved Award list
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: because he was he was like cast out by the
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: Warriors and they didn't want him to more and he
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: revived me.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: What are the Warriors doing? Bro?
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: Bro, Like, I'm having my doubts about Steve Kerr.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: And except for an office and everything right now.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: But Bob Myers when he was gone.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: Well it's pretty easy when you coach Mark Jackson's team
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: for multiple years. But it's whatever.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: Literally literally, but yeah Jackson.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: Just had them winning in the playoffs and really.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he literally just took over Mark Jackson's team. Makes
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: no sense. But yeah, what ket George and Ryan Rollins
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: had been able to do this year, they really took
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: that that growth spurt that well people didn't expect from
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: Ryan Rollins, which is I think why he should be
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: higher up on this list. Where's he at on like odds.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: Right now he's actually one, two, three, four, he's sixth
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: right now, he's six and the odds Johnson, Nikile Keyante
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: during and Ryan Rollins.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: I feel like Ni, I feel like I've always known
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: Nick Keele's good.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: He just like he's more of a six manu of
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: the Year than he is. Yeah, he's not even for
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: six Minut of the Year play.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: That'd be mine. That'd be my pick for sure. Like
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: I love that dude.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: I think Alexander Walker still like they would definitely be
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: like fourth or third. They just got Ao bro A Yeah, well,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: I like A, Yeah, he's actually on the running for
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: six Minut of the Year. Ao's fourth right now, fourth
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: and he's not Bro's gonna start Yeah alright, so also
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: his last one. And I think this can go any
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: different ways even though I'm a I.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: Want talked about it before.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I see a coach, coach, there's no there's no
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with miss Johnson. I think what miss
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: Johnson has done and who cares I'm biased. He uh
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: is not even speak though, Like yeah, like he's so
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: much a little bit dude. We already matched our win
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: total from last year, like already, and it's a constant improvement.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: Like what he's been able to do with this team
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: is pretty great. It's a should. People say, you have
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: to Hearon Fox, you have Victorian Binyaman, you have this. Yeah,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: but there also has to be a coach that influences
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: them and pushes them to be better each and every
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: single day. And also like what he's been able to
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: do defensively, he's top ten offensively and defensively this season
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: in his first season as a full time head coach,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: running the roster, like running the full his full game plan.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: And I do love Misa Mitch Johnson. I think all
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: those Spurs fans that do hate on Mitch Johnson go
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: kick some rocks. You didn't watch, Yeah, Like they think like, oh,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: he is lineup decisions, like bro, it's his first year
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: and we're the second seed in the NBA, Like second
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: third seed in the NBA. Yeah, get over yourself. Like
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: I watched this team lose twenty three straight games one season.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: I'm completely fine if we're the second seed in the
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: NBA right now, and we lose a couple of games,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: but especially dealing with young players, like what he's been
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: able to do, dealing with young and experienced players players
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: you gotta be especially in time, like they've blown leads,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: they've done this, and he's really brought back the people,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: made some big time adjustments and I think definitely what
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: he's been able to do. Wimby's been on a minutes
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: restriction all season, like he's only playing twenty eight minutes
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: per game, which is insane, like it's per thirty six
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: is crazy, but Wimby only playing twenty eight minutes per
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: game and him and honestly what they's dealt with with
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: injuries this season. Dearon Fox Stefan Castle, Dylan Harper, Luke Cornett,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: Victor Winbin Yama, like anyone on this team you can
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: name that is major. Devin Bissell has missed some major
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: action and he's been continued to steer the ship and
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: they continue to walk away with wins and consistently beating
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: the best teams in the NBA on a consistent basis.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: As well, Yeah, I'm gonna have to. We talked about
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: it before the pod and it was. And the reason
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: we were like going back and forth, like just pick
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: your guy because we were talking about J. D. Bickerstaff
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: and miss Johnson, which I wouna pick mits Johnson as well,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: but JB. Bickerstaff does have a case. But my thing like, yes,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: they're the number one seed in the in the East,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: but the East is also weaker the East. It is
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: they were they were all they were like already in
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: that spot last year. What seed were they they were?
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: I know they were top five right because they played
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: the Knicks.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were a top five. They were already a
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: top five team.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like they were up there, and like, yes, that's
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: a drastic jump from like five to one.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: And Celtics don't have Jason Tatum the next one on
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: a losing streaks tires. Yeah, so I get it. We're
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: also nitpicking, but it's also the truth. Like the Western.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: Conference, bro, and yeah, what Mitch Johnson has been able
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: to do with this young team just being able to
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: bring them up and raise this raise their ceiling, raised,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: raised just the team as a whole. Yeah, I just
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: think not many coaches would be able to do this.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: And Mitt Johnson being able to be a players coach,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: just get into this young team, know how to coach
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: them well, like you were saying as a Spurs fan,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: you know you know what he does right, Like, yes,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: he'll have his mishaps and all coaches do. But I
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: just think what Mitch Johnson has been able to do
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: and going in like playing OKC five, they played them
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: five times right, four times five, and they won four
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: out of five. Granted the last one everyone was out.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: Last one was a wash, but the first three matches.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: Of those three matchups, you just don't do that skill wise,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: especially against a thunder, Like.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: That's game planning.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's game planning. Mis Johnson has to be a
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: part of their success, and I think, yeah, he's the
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: reason why they've He's one of the reasons why they've
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: become so good and propelled to one of the best
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: young teams in the NBA. So I'm gonna go miss Johnson.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not saying that, like you stop SGA. Like
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: my big thing is you can only slow down you
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: can only slow down a great player offensively. But he
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: definitely showed the blueprint on how to beat the thunder,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: Like I like, he definitely shows that when as soon
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: as SGA passes half court, you send doubles everywhere and
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: make everyone else beat you and keep Wimby down low
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: like that. That's literally all it is. And they've been
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: able to successfully complete that in multiple games this season,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: and they do it to other teams as well. And
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: his adjustments is adjustments after that third quarter when they
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: usually give up leads, or his testament to what he's
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: able to do from a coaching standpoint, all right into
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: the next Yeah, I think we'll move move into second
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: half predictions because we've already gone through all NBA awards,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: So like, what are your major second half predictions in
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: the NBA this season?
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: Let me see my major predictions is that one of
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: mine is that OKC will revert back to what they
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: were at the beginning of the season. They're gonna get
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: everyone back, everyone's gonna get healthy. After the All Star Game,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: they're gonna go on this crazy run to in the
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: season and then they're gonna be everyone's gonna be like,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, Okaye, he's good again. But it's just
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: that they were already good. They've just been one of
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: the most injured teams this season. And yeah, that's one
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: of I guess it's not a major prediction. That's just
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: my prediction on what will happen because we're getting Sga back. Juble,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: I think he left one of the games the other day.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: But I think everyone's gonna get back and they're gonna
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: take control of the West. That's one on mine, all right,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: We'll bounce back and forth. What's one of yours.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: One of my crazy predictions is that the Los Angeleskers
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: fall to the play.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: In Like I think that I that's crazy.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: I think it is crazy. I just I just don't
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: see them on a consistent basis right now producing good basketball,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: like like they definitely have the best two of the
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: greatest players you could possibly have on your basketball team.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: But defense, defense, I think getting later into the season
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: where teams are trying to make the playoffs and they're
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: gonna play you hard in transition multiple times, I think
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: that's gonna hurt the Los Angeles Lakers a lot. Jackson
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: Hayes can only do so much. DeAndre and as much
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: as we love him, he has not produced like we
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: expected him to do, and I think that's gonna be
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: a problem for the Los Angeles Lakers, especially what seems
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: like Phoenix, like Minnesota, who are trying to make those
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: jumps a little bit higher into the standings. I do
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: think the Lakers will fall into that play in tournament.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: Am I saying they're gonna lose in the plane? No,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: But I am definitely saying that they are gonna struggle
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: to end this season to stay within that top six
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: because I do think that as far as the Spurs
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: and the Nuggets, I think there are locks to be
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: those two to three seeds right now. I do think
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: that they're gonna make a lot of move that. I
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: think the Spurs are gonna come knocking on the door
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: a little bit still Gwehoma City Thunder, But I do
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: think that the Lakers are gonna possibly for with that
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: seventh seed going into the playoffs. All right.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: My next one is that the Hornets outright make the playoffs.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: Mmm, that was gonna be one of mine too, Like
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: I think they go on a little bit of a
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: run here.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, me too, and we've seen it.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: It's not like, I mean, Lamelot crash today, So I
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: Where that's that was stupid. He literally he got in
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: a crash in his hummer and then he like it
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: looked the other cars messed up pretty bad. He got
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: out gun to Lamba. It's pretty stupid, Rashie Rice.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: Don't even get me started right now.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: All right, sorry about that. But I think the Hornets
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: outright make the playoffs. But I love the Sixers, bro,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: But I just think that it's gonna be difficult. But
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: that's it's that's why it's a bold prediction. That's why
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: it's like a big prediction.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're twelve and one over the last couple
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: of games.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Bro, they like I was saying earlier, they literally
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: have like one of the highest point different tools. It
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: was like in NBA history throughout like this span. Literally
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: what they've been able to do. The shooting of konkinent well,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: the playmaking of LaMelo Ball, Like Brandon Miller, he's being
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: what he's supposed to be, even with that whatever he
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: has on his shoulder. He's playing with like a shoulder
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: pad basically like because of his injury. But yeah, I
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: just think that they're so hot right now. Hopefully they
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: didn't cool off because the All Star break, but I
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: think that they're just gonna be able to propel themselves
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: up to the up to the outright playoffs. I don't
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: know whether Philadelphia falls, which they might because Paul George
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: has he's been out, They've been they've been surviving. But
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: I think that, yeah, they they ended on a two
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: game losing streak to enter the playoffs or to enter
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: the All Star Game, and maybe that takes a toll
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: on them. And I think I don't know when Embiid
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: comes back. Is he gonna be out for a little bit.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: I saw a thing I'm.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: Not I'm not too sure on Joel mb. I just
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: always assume he's hurt.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: So sad, but yeah, so maybe I don't know if
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: Injuri's catch up to them. But I do think that
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: the Charlotte Hornets are going to go on a run
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: and just outright make the playoffs due to this young
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: core and the backcourt that they've had with the diabate
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: and Miles Bridges has been one or the front court,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: sorry I should take has been one of the best
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: defensive back courts in the league. And I just think
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: that they're gonna be able to push through and make
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: the playoffs.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if I have any more bold predictions,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: Like I think that the Suns move into the top six.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: I think they've been playing some great basketball this season.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that makes since with the Lakers dropping. Yeah,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: I think that they're the team that would definitely take over.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: Right there, I'm going to say some predictions that I
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: really don't know, Like.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: Hmmm, I have a question. What if I give you
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: a question, do you think Jason Tatum comes back? And like,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: what do you doubt would be?
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: I think it's a playoff. Th I think it's a
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: playoff Jason Tatum, like, like, maybe not first round, but
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: if they make it to the Semis have a real shot.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: I'm making the championship. I do think that Jason Tatum
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: does play. But my question is when Jason Tatum does
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: come back, If he does, does he have to let
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: Jaylen Brown cook?
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: I think, all right, this is my take on it.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: I think he does because this isn't gonna be the
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: same Jason Tatum. Like, I don't think he's gonna be
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: like the full Jason Tatum. We know he's still gonna
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: be on that Achilles Like, yes, he'll be fully recovered,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: that's why he's gonna play, but also he's not gonna
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: be fully like himself. If that makes sense. He's not
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: gonna be the full Jason Tatum. We know he's not
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: gonna be acclimated to game time speed, He's not gonna
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: be acclimated to defenders closing that on him. Yeah, he
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: just can't. And even though if he's like if we
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: don't get the like all NBA Jason Tatum that we've
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: been seeing, if we get like the just like SEB
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: All Star Jason Tatum, I still think they have a
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: good chance honestly to come out the East like the
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: way they've been playing, and then Jason Tatum just being
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: able to like add his skill set, even if it's
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: just like Suballstar Jason Tatum. I just think he's that good.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: People underrate him. I think, in my opinion, he's the
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: best American League.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's pretty fire.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: What do you think.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: I think he definitely has to take a step back.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: I think Jaylen Brown.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: The reins like, no, he can't, you got it. I
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: let him cook man.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: This team's been playing too great through Jalen Brown this year,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: and I think everyone's got so accustomed to their roles.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: Like I understand, Jayson Tatum's your All World player, He's
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: your superstar. He's your franchise guy. But I do think
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: that Jason Tatum also has to realize, like I haven't played,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: I'm not accustomed to what this team's been doing this year.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of new players that I haven't played with.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: Joe Mozula is running a lot more different sets for
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: Jalen Brown than he is for me, and it's been working.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: So I got to learn how to be on selfish,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: which I do think Jayson Tatum's an on selfish player,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: Like I don't think he's a selfish player by anything. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: he take He's done it before. And I think if
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: he does do that and he just takes a step
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: back as your secondary option, I mean.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: That's the best secondary option in the.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: Best secondary option the entire NBA and that and I
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: think Jason Tatum allows him to get his feet back
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: underneath him and allows Dylan Brown to continue doing what
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: he's doing this year. So I do think he does
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: take a step back. Do you think, Okay, which team
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: is going to finish with the best record, Boston, New
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: York or Cleveland?
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: Hm hmm, this is tough.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: I Mean they're all on a roll right now, like
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: they're all playing basketball right now.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: The Knicks have won like they went on a crazy
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: one run. But also the Knicks played like they had this.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: Crazy did to Caves have been on a crazy run
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: as well.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: Bro, this is hard and I'm not gonna lie. I'm
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: gonna go. I love the Celtics, I love the Knicks.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go Calves. I just think that that trade
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: deadline takes takes them over the top for me, Like, yes,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: the Celtics got vooch and they're able to add this stretch.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: For Okay, Jose.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: Insane. This is the type of energy they needed on
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: this team.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: I think they're sohn is going to play.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: This is when you said that, I was like, I
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: love this move for them. Literally whatever like they lack,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: they've liked like this defensive type of like dog. They
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: need a dog on their team, Like they don't have this,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: like dude, who's gonna get up in your face? Like
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: if they play the Pistons, they're gonna get out physical
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: if that's even a word, Like they're gonna get physically
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: they're physically outmatched. But being able to bring in so
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: hand and being able to bring in Alvarado to like
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: of the dudes who are like known for their defense,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: being like these scrappy guys who just don't give up,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: Like they're just these dudes who are gonna.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: Be Alarado also went New Clear before the All Star
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: Break ended. Before the All Star Break.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: He was shooting crazy. He's back home, bro, He's just
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: gonna play like crazy. Bro, He's back home.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: I think so Han's gonna play like somebody, like he
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: got something to prove too, Like I think he's gonna
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: play yeah, Like I think defensively, that adds so much
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: for them, Like and my thing is the additions is
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: so hands in New York, Like it's not like San Antonio,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: where he has to play in the flow in offense,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: findest spot, be open, be able to kick the ball away,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: just get like way, get out the way and let
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson play offense. Like that's really what the Knicks do.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: They have Jalen Brunson and Karl Anthony Towns do what
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: they gotta do, and you just play great defense. Like
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: I think that's what Jemy Sohan's gonna do. I think
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: he and honestly, so Hand in his career has been
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: a great cutter, Like he's been a great cutter to
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: the basket and what he's don't do it.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: If you with playmaker like Jalen Brunton, like that's perfect.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he'll be fine. Like so I think that's
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: a two great additions and I think the next do
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: finish with the second seed, but I do think that
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: Cleveland will move to that third seed. I think Boston
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: falls to the fourth seed. For me, like I I
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: think Cleveland adding James Harden that's the biggest chess piece
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: for me, Like I think hardened regular season, we know
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: what he's gonna do with a good team around him,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: Like he does what he does, and now that he's
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: more of a facilitator, it's gonna be an insane point
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: guard that they do have. And also I just think
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: my question marks are gonna come playoff time, but as
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: far as regular season, he's gonna do a lot of
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: wonders for this Cleveland Cavaliers team.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's my pick. For that question you asked,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: like who would finished with the highest record, I'm gonna
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: have to go to CALVS and I think it goes unrealized.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: Like they also brought in Keon Ellis and.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah to defense, defense, it brought in someone else.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: Bro, I'm blanking. They traded him for DeAndre Hunter, Kean
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: Ellis and Bro, I gotta look this up.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: I went blank. I just went blank.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: Keon Ellis trade. But being able to have James Harden
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: in the back court, Oh and Dennis Shrewder, that's.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: What yeah, yeah, that's a great one.
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  Speaker 2: Off the bench, like being uh what he did with
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  Speaker 2: the Pistons last year was it was like he probably
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: helped Kate in his development. I'm not even gonna lie.
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  Speaker 2: Just being able to come off the bench, be this
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  Speaker 2: spark that you need, being able to play within like this,
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  Speaker 2: not even the flow of his offense, just being able
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  Speaker 2: to play playmate, do what he needs to do. I
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  Speaker 2: think that's such an underrated like aspect of a team
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  Speaker 2: is being able to have that like backup point guard,
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  Speaker 2: that guard who's able to come off the bench and
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  Speaker 2: just be able to carry the offense or will them
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  Speaker 2: to what they need to get done until the starterage
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  Speaker 2: come back. And how you said, James Harden this movie
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  Speaker 2: is just it's so perfect for me in my opinion,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: and being able to pair him with Donovan Mitchell, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: the the front or the back court. I get it
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  Speaker 2: mixed up. The guards are gonna be lackluster, the defense
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: might be lackluster, but it's gonna be okay. They have
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: Evan Mobley when he gets back in Jared Allen, and
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: we saw what James Harden was able to do with
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: Avici Zuba, like we he literally like, yes, he was
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: progressing to get better, but also he made him better,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: like he transformed his career. So being able to pair
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: him with Evan Mobley Tyrs Halliburn's gonna go crazy. I'm
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: so excited for that, bro.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: And they're gonna be able to move Jay Huff to
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: the bench, which I do think he'll thrive a lot
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: more coming off the bench those b Yeah, Jay Huff,
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  Speaker 1: and then especially if you want to have like a
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: like a like a let's say, a demon defensive front
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: court with Jay Huff and a Vic Zubach in situations,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: that's gonna be pretty great too.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: That's tough, but yeah, I just think that the Cavs
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: being able to add James Arden really really is gonna
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: help the to the two cent uh the forward and
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: Evan Mobley hopefully progresses like up his game honestly, and
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: we saw it before the all Star Break helped Jared
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: Allen in Uh like the screen and roll action and
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: just stuff like that. And Harden gravitates so much energy
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: that it's just gonna lead the wide open looks for
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: the whole team. And also I like the move with
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: Keon Ellis being able to get into like a new scenery.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: He's such a good like on on ball defender that
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: and that's what the Cavs needed. They filled everything they
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: needed in my opinion, and I just think that they're
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: gonna be able to cruise through this second half of
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: the season. They ended on a five game win streak
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: going into the All Star Breaking. Yeah, Donovan Mitchell one
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: of I think he's the most underrated player in the league.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: That's my opinion.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: But I think yeah him, definitely Jaylen Brunt and not
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: no more like it's definitely Donald Pascal.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: I guess you could say Pascal.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: I think Pascal has just forgotten about right now, like
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: I think he's just like I do. I do think
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: he was always Rightfully, I'm gonna say I think Alexandri
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: Sar like that might be underrated players in the NBA. Yes, Max.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: Bro Danny Wolf, Benny Wolf barely's getting minutes right.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: Now, you know what I was thinking about, Like the
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: Pelicans could have potentially could have had potentially two top three,
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: top five picks in this draft, but they traded both
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: of them away, bro, like they trade away their pacers,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: their pacers pick back before Tyree's tours.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: It was yes, it was literally right, but like during
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: the finals, I was at work, I remember the.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: Game before the game before, Like I think they're only
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: trading like the thirtieth thirty first pick back, like like
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: a twenty top twenty five or more Achilles immediately drops
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: to potentially number one overall pick. And then also they
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: traded away for And I love Derek Queen, but I
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: do think Derek Queen's stilling is very limited in the NBA,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: Like he doesn't play great defense. He demands the ball
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: in his hands multiple times.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: Like I hate that they do that with everyone now,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: like being.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: Like I do think he's great, but he has he's
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: the type that has to have the ball in his hands,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: like he just has to. And he doesn't play good defense,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: Like he's going to be a problem on defense for
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: a team for the New Orleans Pelicans, Like he's good,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: but he's not that good. Like he's not he's not
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: missing out on on the bands, the Peterson Boozer, Flemings, Yeah,
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: Wilson them b Yeah, he's not worth missing out on
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: those guys, Son, Christian Anderson, you know, if you want
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: to throw him in there, so he's not he's not
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: worth missing But yeah, I think that's crazy. But you
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: got anything else to say as far as NBA or
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: as anything, you know, I'm be hopest. I'm cooked, Like,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I got anything else to say,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: but unless you got something to talk about.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: That the Kings are the worst team in the NBA,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know. But they got Maxine, they got me,
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: got Maxine bro dealing card. Well, they have no direction.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: It's so sad. But yeah, I'm just excited to get
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: into more basketball throughout the season. It's basketball season now.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: Well like it's been basketball season, but we're really locking
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: in now.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: The sole focus, the sole focus right now is basketball.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: So that's great.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've been focused on it, but so focused there
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: and we're just excited to get these pods out to y'all.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: Be able to talk basketball starts tomorrow. Actually, I'm very excited.
• 1:26:43
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• 1:27:09
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