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The Kenny Report | 12 November · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Live from the Skying New Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me.
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Speaker 3: The absolute madness of a net zero defense force. Is
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Speaker 3: this the climate overreach that exposes Labour's lunacy, misinformation and
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Speaker 3: disinformation laws, Why you should fear them, and why the
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Speaker 3: Senate should reject them.
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Speaker 1: Now, don't say I didn't warn you.
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Speaker 3: The Kevin Rud appointment as ambassador to the US continues
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Speaker 3: to unravel.
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Speaker 1: What a sad joke for our country.
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Speaker 3: More asylum seekers turn up, adding to Labour's border security
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Speaker 3: and immigration shambles.
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Speaker 1: Plus our terrific panel.
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Speaker 3: Tim Blair and Kristen Tate in the US on Donald
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Speaker 3: Trump's new team.
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Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
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Speaker 3: Let's first get back to the slow motion train wreck
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Speaker 3: that is Kevin Rudd. This bloke has been rejected by
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Speaker 3: his own party, he's been rejected by voters, and he's
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Speaker 3: been rejected by Donald Trump, but he keeps coming back
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Speaker 3: like a stray dog looking for scraps. I said at
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Speaker 3: the time that it was a disastrous mistake for Anthony
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Speaker 3: Alberanezi to appoint his good mate Kevin Rudd as Australia's ambassador.
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Speaker 1: To the US.
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Speaker 3: It was always going to be a shocker politically, but
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Speaker 3: more importantly, it was always going to hurt our national interest.
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Speaker 3: This is a bloke who has said that Trump was nuts.
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Speaker 3: He said that Trump was a threat to democracy. And
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Speaker 3: earlier this year I dug out some more choice and
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Speaker 3: recent words from Kevin Rudd. In March twenty twenty two,
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Speaker 3: Rudd told the Elliott School of International Affairs in Washington,
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Speaker 3: d C. How Beijing would have greeted the arrival of
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump's presidency.
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Speaker 4: Who could believe our luck that this madman called Trump
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Speaker 4: could have been elected?
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Speaker 1: Madman?
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Speaker 3: Hey, the point about this inane abuse from Rudd about
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Speaker 3: Trump is that there's just so much of it around.
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Speaker 1: Last night, Sharry Markson showed us this.
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Speaker 5: The United States in the last four years has been
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Speaker 5: run by a village idiot.
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Speaker 3: A village idiot. And then we could add some more
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Speaker 3: Google as your friend.
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Speaker 1: With President Trump.
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Speaker 6: Depending on which day of the week you were talking
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Speaker 6: to President Trump and how his bi rhythms were performing
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Speaker 6: on that day in the nature of his diet, then.
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Speaker 1: Who could guess.
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Speaker 5: During the craziness of the Trump administration on climate.
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Speaker 6: Trump has had an enormously destabilizing effect on both the
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Speaker 6: alliances with Japan and the.
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Speaker 3: Republic of Korea, destabilizing crazy, take your guess about what
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Speaker 3: he's going to say or do. These can't be dismissed
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Speaker 3: as silly, drunken tweets or ancient ramblings. These are considered
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Speaker 3: and relatively recent comments to serious gatherings in official capacities,
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Speaker 3: and they happened before Budd was appointed ambassador. That's why
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Speaker 3: it was always madness for Albo to appoint Rud because
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Speaker 3: all this was out there. Why didn't Albo just Google
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Speaker 3: run in the US. It's basic due diligence. Have a
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Speaker 3: look again at this clip I showed you in March,
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Speaker 3: because not only does it show you that Rudd's political
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Speaker 3: judgment is wrong, but he also calls Trump incoherent.
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Speaker 6: Well, if but for example, hypothetically Trump is to recontest
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Speaker 6: in twenty twenty four and to win, and I, on
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Speaker 6: the balance of probabilities, do not accept the argument that
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Speaker 6: he will run in twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 3: Maybe that was wishaul thinking by Rudd because he didn't
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Speaker 3: hold back in this academic forum.
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Speaker 5: Trump could not have cared less about human rights in China.
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Speaker 2: If you asked Trump to.
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Speaker 6: Take a position on the wiggers or onto bed or
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Speaker 6: any other aspect of Chinese human rights abuses.
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Speaker 5: He would never have done so. And so for those reasons,
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Speaker 5: the essential problem for allies in dealing with the Trump
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Speaker 5: administration Trump one or Trump do is its essential internal incoherents.
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Speaker 5: Because of the essential incoherence of the man himself.
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Speaker 3: The incoherence of the man that's our man in Washington.
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Speaker 1: He's been banging on like this for years. It's a
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Speaker 1: little wonder that Trump later said this.
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Speaker 7: He won't be there long if that's the case. I
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Speaker 7: don't know much about him. I heard he was a
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Speaker 7: little bit nasty. He who's not the Broders bulb. But
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Speaker 7: I don't know much about him. But if he's at
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Speaker 7: all hostile, he will not be there long.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 3: The trouble for Rudd, the trouble for Australia is that
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Speaker 3: the American media is onto this. As I showed you yesterday,
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Speaker 3: The New York Times has been reporting on Rudd's deleted tweets,
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Speaker 3: ensuring that the Trump camp is reminded about the Australian ambassador,
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Speaker 3: just in case they needed any reminding. Who knows, perhaps
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Speaker 3: Fox News and others will pick up some of the
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Speaker 3: historic clips we're showing you the US relationship is too
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Speaker 3: important to be left in the hands of a man
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Speaker 3: who's shown such poor judgment and who his relationship with
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Speaker 3: the new administration will be so compromised that Rudd probably
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Speaker 3: thinks he's got some protection because his own Prime minister
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Speaker 3: once said this.
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Speaker 1: We have an alliance with the US. We're going to
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Speaker 1: deal with him.
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Speaker 8: But that doesn't mean that you're uncritical about it.
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Speaker 1: He's scarce out of me. Yeah, I bet he does now.
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Speaker 3: Hey, most in the Labor Party, of course, hate Donald Trump,
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Speaker 3: and they've tried to impress each other over the years
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Speaker 3: by just how stridently they can denounce him.
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Speaker 1: Now they have to deal with him. This is serious.
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Speaker 3: Albanize should act in the nation's interest and recall Rudd.
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Speaker 3: And while this is a diplomatic challenge and a real
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Speaker 3: dilemma for the government, I couldn't resist sharing something extra
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Speaker 3: with you. I've managed to obtain exclusive footage of Kevin
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Speaker 3: Rudd just after he was advised of Trump's victory.
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Speaker 9: A language He's just complicates it so much. You know,
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Speaker 9: how can anyone do this?
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Speaker 1: Man?
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Speaker 10: This is just impossible.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I couldn't have said it better myself. It's pretty much impossible,
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Speaker 3: and that wouldn't be too far from.
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Speaker 1: The truth, would it.
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Speaker 3: The coalition is opening up another front in the climate war.
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Speaker 3: Was their logical attack on this nation's energy self harm
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Speaker 3: along the road to net zero, And it happened on
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Speaker 3: this program last night when the shadow Defense Minister Andrew
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Speaker 3: Hasty and sas Veteran described the Albanezy Labor government's defense
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Speaker 3: net zero strategy as insane.
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Speaker 11: Well, they're releasing a net zero strategy, which is insane
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Speaker 11: in my opinion, because we need to be focused on
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Speaker 11: delivering industrial outcomes that will strengthen our defense force and
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Speaker 11: give us supply chain security in the event of a
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Speaker 11: christ or a conflict.
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Speaker 3: He's right, of course, because when you talk defense, when
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Speaker 3: you talk winning wars, maintaining peace and defending this nation,
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Speaker 3: well it tends to look and sound a bit like this. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: defense requires machinery, powerful equipment, using energy. And the idea
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Speaker 3: that we can do this adequately and that we can
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Speaker 3: arm ourselves, equip ourselves and defend ourselves while making defense
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Speaker 3: a net zero operation what is plainly nuts. But that's
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Speaker 3: what the government quietly slipped out late last month. I mean,
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Speaker 3: have a look at this thing, the defense net zero strategy.
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Speaker 3: It talks about sustainable aviation fuel, that is, biofuels for
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Speaker 3: our fighter jets. Don't hold your breath. It promotes electric
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Speaker 3: bush masters again, don't hold your breath, especially if you
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Speaker 3: need help, and they're recharging the bush masters.
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Speaker 1: And it gives us lovely pictures and it asks why
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Speaker 1: go to net zero?
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Speaker 3: And then it gives us some silly reasoning arguing that
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Speaker 3: climate change is a national security issue. If climate change accelerates,
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Speaker 3: it poses risks to Australia's national interests and could impede
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Speaker 3: Defense's ability to achieve its primary objective of defending Australia.
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Speaker 1: Really, they're going to net zero on.
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Speaker 3: The pretense that what the Australian Defense Force does will
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Speaker 3: actually change the climate. This is where delusion is dangerous.
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Speaker 3: This is where being woke leaves our country exposed. This
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Speaker 3: is where our politics are making our national defense posture
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Speaker 3: not stronger, but not good for us, but good for
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Speaker 3: our strategic enemies. I mean, do you think China's military
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Speaker 3: is aiming for net zero?
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Speaker 1: Or Russias?
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Speaker 3: This is dangerous nonsense. Yet look at what Pat Conroy,
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Speaker 3: the Minister for Defense Industry, said when He released this
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Speaker 3: report last month. As the Australian government's largest landholder and
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Speaker 3: energy user, Defense has developed plans to reduce its emissions
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Speaker 3: and increase.
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Speaker 1: Reliable renewable energy.
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Speaker 3: Note that final phrase, reliable renewable energy. There is no
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Speaker 3: such thing as reliable renewable energy. That is an Orwellian
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Speaker 3: phrase aimed at deception, aimed at hiding the truth.
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Speaker 1: War is peace, Freedom is slavery. Ignorance his strength.
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Speaker 3: That's what George Orwell wrote. If he was alive today,
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Speaker 3: he would add to that renewable energy is reliable. Yet
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Speaker 3: this labor government, it is pushing for biofuels for our jets,
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Speaker 3: electric armored personnel carriers, and renewable energy to power our
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Speaker 3: defense bases. It's frightening. Invading armies will just have to
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Speaker 3: attack at night. We're on a cloudy day and we'll
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Speaker 3: be toasted, little wonder. The Assistant Shadow Defense Minister, Phil Thompson,
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Speaker 3: also a veteran, was also strong on this last night.
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Speaker 12: It feels like a kick in the guards that we're
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Speaker 12: talking about net zero targets in the ADF when we
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Speaker 12: need to be focusing on making sure that we have
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Speaker 12: enough brave men and women to do what their role is,
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Speaker 12: which is to fight in and win wars.
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Speaker 1: Fight in and win wars is what the role of
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Speaker 1: the ADF is.
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Speaker 12: Not worried about gender neutral toilerts, not worried about net zero.
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Speaker 1: Not nothing to do with that.
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Speaker 12: Let them do their job, start focusing on the real
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Speaker 12: threats that are at our doorstep.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, our defense force has the biggest carbon footprint of
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Speaker 3: any arm of government. That's because we need vessels, aircraft,
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Speaker 3: vehicles and machinery that work when we need them, and
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Speaker 3: we need Defence Force personnel to have power wherever they're based.
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Speaker 3: If we want to reduce their carbon emissions, then by
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Speaker 3: all means, let's shift to nuclear energy like our next
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Speaker 3: generation of submarines, because they'll always need reliable electricity. They'll
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Speaker 3: also always need fossil fuels. Our defense forces will never
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Speaker 3: be net zero outfits, and we shouldn't be weakening them
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Speaker 3: now and wasting taxpayers money pretending they can be. Surely,
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Speaker 3: this defense net zero strategy gives the game away. They
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Speaker 3: certainly cannot be serious about this. It'll never happen, and
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Speaker 3: they should stop spinning nonsense. I want to bring in
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Speaker 3: Martin Hamilton and Smith. Now he's the director of the
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Speaker 3: Australian Sovereign Capability Alliance. He's also former South Australian Defense
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Speaker 3: Industry Minister. Joins us from Adelaide. Good to speak to you,
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Speaker 3: Martin Hamilton Smith.
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Speaker 1: That tell me about this.
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Speaker 3: Surely at a time when the defense forces in these
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Speaker 3: countries this country are desperate for up to date kit
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Speaker 3: the desperate for enough personnel, surely the last thing they
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Speaker 3: should be trying to do is save the planet through
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Speaker 3: reducing to net zero.
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Speaker 13: Beggars belief, Chris and people in defense industry and soldiers,
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Speaker 13: sailors and him and will be just scratching their heads
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Speaker 13: and walking away at this announcement. I mean, this is
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Speaker 13: where the priority of the government lays. And you only
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Speaker 13: need to see how the armies are fighting the war
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Speaker 13: in Ukraine and in the Middle East at the moment
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Speaker 13: to see it is not a net zero environment. We
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Speaker 13: need to be building war fighting capabilities. We need to
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Speaker 13: be much stronger on missiles and missile missiles, We need
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Speaker 13: to be big on drones. We need better see air
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Speaker 13: and land capabilities. And what is the government banging on
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Speaker 13: about net zero? Rainbow Morning teaes mishandling war crime allegations
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Speaker 13: from the war ten years ago. All of these things
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Speaker 13: seems to be seen to be capturing the government and
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Speaker 13: the ADF's direction.
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Speaker 10: You know, where the government needs to be careful.
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Speaker 13: We'll get the ADF they create, and if they want
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Speaker 13: to wake ADF, these sorts of initiatives will create it.
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Speaker 13: Churchill sack thirteen of his generals in the opening months
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Speaker 13: of the war because they couldn't.
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Speaker 10: Win a fight.
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Speaker 13: So you know, we need to be careful about the
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Speaker 13: ADF we create. And particularly with the Trump administration coming in,
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Speaker 13: I think there's some great opportunities, but also some great challenges.
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Speaker 13: I don't think the Trump administration will want to have
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Speaker 13: a conversation with the Australian government about net zero. I
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Speaker 13: think the hot one it about submarines and a few
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Speaker 13: other capabilities and see us put some money up.
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Speaker 1: That's a very good point.
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Speaker 3: I'll come back to the Trump dynamic in a moment,
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Speaker 3: but firstly, just on the practicalities, and this is what's
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Speaker 3: so insulting about this. It is impossible to run an army,
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Speaker 3: an air force, or a navy on a net zero basis.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's an insult to everybody working
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Speaker 3: in defense and every taxpayer in this country.
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Speaker 1: It can never happen.
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Speaker 3: We're not going to have solar powered helicopters and wind
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Speaker 3: powered go back to wind powered ships.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, I don't think hitting the enemy on the head
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Speaker 13: that solar panels is really going to get the result.
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Speaker 13: And if you look at the imagery, actually that's gone
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Speaker 13: with the announcement. That's what it's all about. It's crazy. Really,
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Speaker 13: we need to be thinking about how we need to
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Speaker 13: respond to a war, not how we need to respond
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Speaker 13: to climate change when it comes to capability in our ADF.
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Speaker 10: Now, the Trump.
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Speaker 13: Administration is going to going to play a straight game.
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Speaker 13: It's going to be very transactional.
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Speaker 3: Let me jump in there, because they're going to want
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Speaker 3: us to lift our defense spend and lift that contribution
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Speaker 3: and that we should be aiming to do the same thing.
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Speaker 3: And it just it just underlines the point.
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Speaker 1: Doesn't it.
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Speaker 3: We can't be spending the money on a net zero strategy.
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Speaker 3: We need to spend it on better equipment and better personnel.
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Speaker 10: Correct.
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Speaker 13: I think the Trump administration will see the game to
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Speaker 13: the Australian government's talking a big game twenty to thirty
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Speaker 13: years from now, submarines and all sorts of capabilities, but
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Speaker 13: right now, in the next five, ten, fifteen years, our
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Speaker 13: capabilities are seriously degraded.
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Speaker 10: I think they'll call us out. And there are two
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Speaker 10: ways that can go.
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Speaker 13: We either just give up on defense industry and start
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Speaker 13: buying everything from the United States and Britain and just
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Speaker 13: become a country that buys other people's products and we
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Speaker 13: don't have a defense industry, or we say no, we
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Speaker 13: need to build these things here and have a serious
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Speaker 13: defense capability of our own so that we can independently
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Speaker 13: equip our forces and better support the United States.
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Speaker 10: Now, how that trends action guards is going to be
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Speaker 10: very interesting.
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Speaker 13: There were a lot of major primes in America who
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Speaker 13: see our money coming and rub their hands together. Or
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Speaker 13: if we're smart about it, we can actually require those
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Speaker 13: big American primes to help us to build a serious
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Speaker 13: defense industry in this country.
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Speaker 1: Yes, spot on, that's the better option. That's the better
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Speaker 1: option for us long term.
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Speaker 3: It's also the option that requires reliable and abundant energy.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Martin Hamblin Smith. I appreciate it.
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Speaker 3: Martin Hamlin Smith there who's with the Australian Special Air
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Speaker 3: Services Association also speaking today.
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Speaker 1: Of this sovereign capability alliance.
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Speaker 3: Now we need to keep on the case of the
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Speaker 3: so called Combating Misinformation and Disinformation Bill, which is past
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Speaker 3: the House in Canberra. We need it to be blocked
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Speaker 3: in the Senate for the good of the nation. We
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Speaker 3: know how we were lied to during the pandemic. We
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Speaker 3: were lied to about lockdowns, about masks, about schools, about vaccines,
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Speaker 3: about mandates.
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Speaker 1: It was disgraceful.
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Speaker 3: And what's perhaps even worse is that the government's Liberal
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Speaker 3: and Labour used laws similar to these proposed new laws
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Speaker 3: to censor debate and discussion online. They secretly censored posts
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Speaker 3: on social media that questioned vaccines, lockdowns and all the
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Speaker 3: rest of it. They censored correct information, truthful information.
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Speaker 1: Because they deemed it misinformation.
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Speaker 3: They've gone pretty shocked and saddened that the whole country
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Speaker 3: isn't furious about this. I think we've become not so
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Speaker 3: much a nation riding on the sheep's back anymore, as.
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Speaker 1: A nation of sheep.
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Speaker 3: Too many people, especially on the political left, of course,
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Speaker 3: they want governments to do everything for them, and they
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Speaker 3: want to believe governments and obey governments. And that's a worry.
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Speaker 3: If we give governments more power over information. We will
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Speaker 3: pay a very heavy price for a long while to come.
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Speaker 3: I mean, think about these proposed misinformation and disinformation laws.
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Speaker 3: The government justifies them by saying they need to shut
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Speaker 3: down information that could cause serious harm. And if you
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Speaker 3: go to the bill and read the definitions of serious harm,
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Speaker 3: we see it includes harm to the operation or integrity
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Speaker 3: of commonwealth, state territory, or local governments and electoral processes. Seriously,
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Speaker 3: they'll have the power to ban information that harms the
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Speaker 3: operation of governments.
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Speaker 1: And we all know.
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Speaker 3: How broadly that could be interpreted. In the first draft
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Speaker 3: of the laws, the government was exempt.
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Speaker 1: That's right.
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Speaker 3: They were going to have the power to control everyone
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Speaker 3: else's information, but they were going to make sure government
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Speaker 3: communications were exempt. That has since been fixed with amendments,
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Speaker 3: or has it. Governments have too much power. They tell
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Speaker 3: too many lies. Remember this is the pandemic of the unvaccinated.
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Speaker 3: Or how often have you heard as I was just
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Speaker 3: saying that renewable energy is cheap and reliable. The dumbest
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Speaker 3: thing voters could ever do is give government more power
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Speaker 3: over information, power of assorting truth from lies, fact from fiction.
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Speaker 3: We that is, citizens' voters. We exist to hold governments
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Speaker 3: to account. Let's not flip it the other way around. Now,
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Speaker 3: this stuff is pretty complicated. Sometimes you need to be
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Speaker 3: a constitutional.
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Speaker 1: Lawyer to work your way through it.
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Speaker 3: So let's bring one in, Professor and to me from
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Speaker 3: Sydney University joins me.
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Speaker 1: Professor, good to talk to you again.
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Speaker 3: I wonder if you can summarize your concerns about this
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Speaker 3: misinformation disinformation bill.
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Speaker 14: Well, well, that's hard because there's a lot of problems
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Speaker 14: with it, but mostly it comes down to definitions. So
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Speaker 14: what is misinformation and who decides what it is at
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Speaker 14: the moment. The bill effectively outsources is to the platform,
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Speaker 14: So it's the digital platforms are the ones that are
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Speaker 14: responsible for deciding, and they have to decide whether something
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Speaker 14: is false, misleading, or deceptive. Now they change the terms
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Speaker 14: of it to say reasonably verifiable as false, and I
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Speaker 14: thought that meant well, that was good, that meant just facts,
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Speaker 14: and you could sort of say, okay, that's untrue. So
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Speaker 14: if you've got one of those scams where they say
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Speaker 14: tweety Forrest is telling you to invest your money here,
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Speaker 14: it's clear he's not doing it, then you remove that stuff. Okay,
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Speaker 14: that's easy. Problem however, is here the government if you
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Speaker 14: look in their explanatory memorandum, not on the words of
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Speaker 14: the bill, but in the explanatory memorandum, it says, well,
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Speaker 14: we're not just dealing with facts here, We're dealing with
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Speaker 14: opinions and commentary and claims and invective. You think, well,
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Speaker 14: how do you decide that an opinion is true or false?
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Speaker 14: And how does Google or Meta or someone in the
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Speaker 14: United States do that? I mean, it's really problematic.
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Speaker 3: Well, and we saw that during the pandemic where there
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Speaker 3: it's a similar regime inacted with the putting the onus
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Speaker 3: on the digital giants. And if you were to say
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Speaker 3: tweets something like vaccines don't prevent you being infected or
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Speaker 3: passing on the disease, you were sometimes taken down. That
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Speaker 3: was censored even though it was factually correct. The science
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Speaker 3: was evolving, the degree to which there is protection and
21:03
Speaker 3: all the rest of it. But this stuff was factual.
21:05
Speaker 3: It's a proper public scientific debate. So we know, as
21:09
Speaker 3: you say, there's scams and all sorts of misinformation out there.
21:13
Speaker 3: Surely the best way to deal with it is to
21:15
Speaker 3: have it tested in the marketplace, if you like, rather
21:18
Speaker 3: than have some government or semi government body ruling on
21:22
Speaker 3: this and deciding on truth and untruth.
21:27
Speaker 14: Well, in fact, it's not even the government deciding it
21:29
Speaker 14: in first instance, it's digital platforms. And then they rely
21:33
Speaker 14: on what fact checkers. Okay, so they get fact checkers
21:36
Speaker 14: in Australia to decide. The fact checkers rely on experts,
21:40
Speaker 14: and so then it depends on which experts you choose,
21:42
Speaker 14: because when it's a contestable matter, not a clear matter
21:45
Speaker 14: of fact, two experts might tell the fact checker one
21:49
Speaker 14: thing and there might be another five he'd say something else,
21:52
Speaker 14: but maybe they didn't bother answering their email that day
21:55
Speaker 14: in responding, So you could get distortions just simply on
21:59
Speaker 14: the basis of who you choose who makes that kind
22:01
Speaker 14: of decision. So, while fact checking can be useful, it's
22:05
Speaker 14: not always perfect. And as we know, even if you've
22:08
Speaker 14: got a consensus of experts, it's not always right. Often
22:11
Speaker 14: it will be, but not always because as you know,
22:14
Speaker 14: science and medicine and all sorts of other things change
22:16
Speaker 14: over time. So yes, there are concerns about how this
22:19
Speaker 14: is being done. But the bill itself doesn't provide for
22:22
Speaker 14: the government to decide that provides for the platform to
22:26
Speaker 14: decide that, and it's only if the platforms, through their
22:29
Speaker 14: industry codes, are breaching those codes and the government then
22:35
Speaker 14: comes in and imposes a standard on the platforms. Does
22:38
Speaker 14: the government have any role in this? And even then,
22:41
Speaker 14: the government's not allowed to instruct the platforms under this
22:45
Speaker 14: bill to take stuff down. It can only instruct the
22:48
Speaker 14: platforms in relation to how they operate rather than particular content.
22:53
Speaker 14: So it's a little bit removed from attacking political particular content.
22:58
Speaker 14: But it's still a problematic process because we're trusting meta
23:02
Speaker 14: and x and TikTok to make these kinds of very
23:06
Speaker 14: fine decisions about freedom of speech.
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Speaker 1: We're nearly out of time. Can we fix this or
23:11
Speaker 1: better to abandon it?
23:13
Speaker 14: I think there are some good stuff in the bill,
23:15
Speaker 14: the transparency stuff about how these platforms already do it
23:19
Speaker 14: that needs to be dealt with, so that's good. And
23:21
Speaker 14: getting rid of all the bots, you know, the inauthentic
23:24
Speaker 14: behavior where there's coordinated bots and.
23:26
Speaker 2: Foreign interference and all that stuff.
23:28
Speaker 14: That stuff is good, certainly should stay.
23:31
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, professor.
23:33
Speaker 3: I appreciate it, professor, And to me their constitutional lawyer
23:36
Speaker 3: from the University of Sydney.
23:37
Speaker 1: Now I want to get rid of bots too, but
23:39
Speaker 1: this legislation and my view too.
23:41
Speaker 3: Dangerous, too messy. Scrap it start again, bring back another
23:45
Speaker 3: bill to get rid of the bots. Hey, now let's
23:48
Speaker 3: go to the breakdown on the other side. I'm going
23:50
Speaker 3: to catch up with Susie O'Brien and Lisa Goddard. We're
23:52
Speaker 3: going to weigh in on ALBN Easy's insistence on net zero.
23:56
Speaker 1: For the defense forces. I kid you're not.
23:59
Speaker 3: We're also going to talk about why Australians need to
24:01
Speaker 3: tighten their belts even further in the coming year. Let's
24:08
Speaker 3: bring in Susi O'Brien from The Herald Sun joining us
24:10
Speaker 3: live from Melbourne and alive from Brisbane. We've got Lisa
24:13
Speaker 3: Goddard from a Dony Media. Great to catch up with
24:16
Speaker 3: you both again. I've got to get your thoughts first
24:18
Speaker 3: up on this thing that there's a bug.
24:20
Speaker 1: Bear I've got at the moment.
24:22
Speaker 3: Is this net zero strategy for our defense forces?
24:25
Speaker 1: This one slipped under the radar.
24:26
Speaker 3: I'm great to see Andrew Hasty and Phil Thompson calling
24:29
Speaker 3: it out now, Lisa.
24:31
Speaker 1: This is just madness, isn't it.
24:32
Speaker 3: I imagine what they're laughing about this in Beijing.
24:37
Speaker 15: Well, could you imagine what the Australian troops are thinking
24:39
Speaker 15: as well. They're meant to be there, and they want
24:42
Speaker 15: the weapons, they want the armory, they want the investment,
24:44
Speaker 15: and goodness knows, they want the other men and women
24:46
Speaker 15: from this country who will go out there and stand
24:48
Speaker 15: alongside them to defend this country. And yet we seem
24:51
Speaker 15: to have a government who's all focused on woke, so
24:53
Speaker 15: we always say, you know, go woke, go broke. Well,
24:56
Speaker 15: now perhaps and you're talking about the defense force, it's
24:59
Speaker 15: go woke, go week, and that you would be have
25:02
Speaker 15: China rejoicing. And I can tell you when I was
25:04
Speaker 15: in Afghanistan with our troops, I would not have been
25:06
Speaker 15: happy to be in an EV powered Bushmaster.
25:09
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that there's any.
25:11
Speaker 15: Particular place there where you'd be powering one of those
25:13
Speaker 15: up quite easily.
25:14
Speaker 3: It's just laughable, isn't it, SUSI, The electric bush masters
25:19
Speaker 3: in the wild provinces of Afghanistan.
25:21
Speaker 16: Look out, Well, you'd be curing up in the middle
25:25
Speaker 16: of the desert to you know, find a charger.
25:28
Speaker 3: Ridiculous.
25:29
Speaker 16: I mean, originally you would think that there's no issue
25:32
Speaker 16: with having ambitious targets for renewables and also you know,
25:36
Speaker 16: high defense force capabilities, but we know that that's not
25:40
Speaker 16: going to be a reality, and at some point all
25:42
Speaker 16: the rhetoric meets the reality, and you don't want to
25:45
Speaker 16: see a stepping down of defense force power, might spending, etc.
25:51
Speaker 16: Just because they're committed to some of these targets. I mean,
25:54
Speaker 16: it's ridiculous.
25:55
Speaker 1: It is absolute insanity.
25:57
Speaker 3: Now there's been a bit of focus on the election,
25:59
Speaker 3: the federal election date over the last few weeks, of course,
26:02
Speaker 3: because everyone's looking ahead to the West Australian election in
26:06
Speaker 3: March next year, and whether or not they could overlap,
26:09
Speaker 3: whether Alba would like to like the WA election to
26:13
Speaker 3: go first and he could come afterwards, and anyway, he
26:15
Speaker 3: had something to say about it today.
26:16
Speaker 8: Have Look, I'm focused on governing. That's what I'm focused on,
26:21
Speaker 8: and I'll leave the speculation to others. I have said
26:26
Speaker 8: repeatedly and I repeat again today. I support four year
26:30
Speaker 8: terms and I wish there was four year fixed terms.
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Speaker 1: There's so much here now.
26:35
Speaker 3: Firstly, Lisa, I think, of course the Western Australian government
26:39
Speaker 3: they want to go first.
26:41
Speaker 1: They well they actually they want him.
26:43
Speaker 3: I'd love him to go early because they don't want
26:44
Speaker 3: the anti elbow stuff, you know, stuffing up their election.
26:47
Speaker 1: But I think they'll go first.
26:48
Speaker 3: I love their March election and he'll go on April
26:51
Speaker 3: the twelfth, is my tip. But give me this four
26:54
Speaker 3: year term thing. This is an outrage and too many
26:57
Speaker 3: people nod their head at it. Name one state government
27:01
Speaker 3: now that's actually made good use of their four year term,
27:04
Speaker 3: namely one government that doesn't need a encounter with voters
27:08
Speaker 3: to bring them back onto the straight and narrow rather
27:10
Speaker 3: than another year in office.
27:14
Speaker 1: Yeah.
27:14
Speaker 15: Look, I think there is some argument the longer they've
27:16
Speaker 15: got in office, if they're a good government, then that's
27:18
Speaker 15: great because they've got more time to actually deliver on
27:20
Speaker 15: all of the promises that we get and set the
27:22
Speaker 15: agenda and actually put things in motion. However, when it
27:25
Speaker 15: comes to Albanezi right now, I'm sure he's wishing that
27:29
Speaker 15: he had a four year term because it would put
27:31
Speaker 15: him a good buffer zone before he has to go
27:33
Speaker 15: for the election and actually face the Australian people. With
27:35
Speaker 15: the polls going in the wrong direction, he may be
27:38
Speaker 15: in that cliff top mansion sooner than he thinks.
27:41
Speaker 3: Oh I tell you what, I think you spot on there, Lisa.
27:43
Speaker 3: Now the thing is, Susie, I don't think we've seen
27:46
Speaker 3: a good government one deserving of an extra year is
27:48
Speaker 3: certainly not since John Howard.
27:52
Speaker 16: Oh my god, don't even ask me about government state
27:55
Speaker 16: government in Victoria. We've got kids who are in grade
27:57
Speaker 16: six who cannot remember who when he than alive the
28:00
Speaker 16: last time we had a liberal government in this data
28:03
Speaker 16: just getting quite dire. You know, of course Albo wants
28:08
Speaker 16: four year terms. All politicians like the certainty of that.
28:11
Speaker 16: They like the extra time. And you know, the last
28:13
Speaker 16: six or twelve months of governing in any term is
28:16
Speaker 16: always all about the strategy, the date, the timing, etc.
28:21
Speaker 16: As As you say, he's got the next phase of
28:25
Speaker 16: his life all worked out, so you know he loves
28:28
Speaker 16: the idea of having that kind of said.
28:30
Speaker 1: It's called the Copa Kavana phase. I did like Peter
28:36
Speaker 1: Dutton's take on this.
28:37
Speaker 3: He says, how come Albos talking about a second term agenda.
28:40
Speaker 1: We haven't seen anything in the first term yet.
28:43
Speaker 4: The Prime minister is now talking about a second term agenda.
28:47
Speaker 4: I don't understand what the first term agender is. At
28:49
Speaker 4: the right government of the Albanizi government. I mean, what
28:51
Speaker 4: does he What is the Prime Minister achieved during this
28:55
Speaker 4: term of parliament except making it harder for families to
28:58
Speaker 4: pay the bills keeping in flav high, which means interest
29:01
Speaker 4: rates have stayed higher for longer than in comparable economies.
29:05
Speaker 1: The energy system is a train wreck in this country.
29:08
Speaker 4: The energy regulator is talking about the lights going out,
29:11
Speaker 4: talking about power bills continue to go up.
29:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got a pretty good election agenda, there hasn't he,
29:18
Speaker 3: Peter Dutton. It's all pretty telling criticism and there's another
29:21
Speaker 3: issue unfolding for him in Queensland. Lisa, I'm keen to
29:24
Speaker 3: get your take on this, where the alban Easy government
29:27
Speaker 3: locked up with the Palichet or the former Stephen Miles
29:30
Speaker 3: Labor government for this quantum computing deal, a billion dollar deal,
29:35
Speaker 3: and now the new premium David chrisiph fully looks like
29:39
Speaker 3: pulling out of it.
29:39
Speaker 1: What's the game?
29:42
Speaker 15: Well, this is what's good about a new government.
29:44
Speaker 3: Right.
29:44
Speaker 15: So we are just over two weeks into the new
29:46
Speaker 15: LMP government and David Christophilia stood there with his ministry
29:50
Speaker 15: and said we will basically go through line by line
29:52
Speaker 15: and expose every inflated every deal that's gone over budget,
29:57
Speaker 15: every project that's over budget, and all the hidden are
30:00
Speaker 15: numbers that are in there from labor over the last
30:02
Speaker 15: million decade and what they've done. We've seen a call
30:05
Speaker 15: out on a five million dollar overspend with the Olympic venues.
30:08
Speaker 15: We've seen the Burdekind hydro project could killed off because
30:12
Speaker 15: it was thirty six billion dollars over And now they're
30:14
Speaker 15: saying to the federal government, listen, Miles committed US to
30:17
Speaker 15: four hundred and seventy million dollars to help build to
30:20
Speaker 15: give grants basically taxpayer money to help build the world's
30:23
Speaker 15: largest computer. And they're saying, well, we've already asked questions
30:26
Speaker 15: about this. The tendering process was all very secretive. We
30:30
Speaker 15: didn't get answers when we're in opposition, and now we're
30:33
Speaker 15: going back to the books, having a look at exactly
30:35
Speaker 15: what happened and putting the government on notice of federal
30:37
Speaker 15: government on notice it, Look, you may not get our
30:39
Speaker 15: four hundred and seventy million dollars of Queensland taxpayer money,
30:42
Speaker 15: we might very well just keep it for Queensland.
30:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, nothing beats a good bit of a cost benefit
30:47
Speaker 3: analysis when it comes to taxpayers funds. Let's talk about
30:51
Speaker 3: households funds here, Susie, and you know the cost of
30:54
Speaker 3: living crisis. We're seeing energy prices continue to go up.
30:58
Speaker 3: I noticed that the CEO of Red Energy, a government
31:02
Speaker 3: own renewable energy outfit down there in the snow Hydro,
31:05
Speaker 3: he just jumped up to one point seven million dollar salary,
31:09
Speaker 3: which is an absolute insult, a pay rise of three
31:12
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty thousand dollars. But this comes as we're
31:15
Speaker 3: told that to pay rises won't keep pace with inflation
31:19
Speaker 3: in the coming year. It doesn't look like things are
31:22
Speaker 3: going to be rosy for households in Anthony Albanesi's election year.
31:30
Speaker 16: And it's so interesting, isn't it, Because you look at
31:32
Speaker 16: what happened in the US, and Trump, for all his craziness,
31:36
Speaker 16: he spoke to people about the hip pocket. And I
31:39
Speaker 16: remember that on election night, all those Republican voters are
31:43
Speaker 16: in the diner somewhere Pennsylvania, and every single one of
31:46
Speaker 16: them said, I voted for Trump, not because of his
31:48
Speaker 16: craziness and all the rest of it, but because I
31:51
Speaker 16: think he will make it cheaper for me to buy
31:54
Speaker 16: groceries and fill up my car and buy things clothes
31:57
Speaker 16: for my kids, and that's what they care about. Government
32:00
Speaker 16: is really failing to rain this in and they ignore
32:05
Speaker 16: this at their peril. You look at some of these
32:08
Speaker 16: pay rises for some of the energy bosses. Why should
32:12
Speaker 16: the head of origin energy, where my bills have gone
32:14
Speaker 16: up thirty forty percent, be earning ten times more than
32:18
Speaker 16: the prime minister. That's an absolute outrage. And now we've
32:21
Speaker 16: got all this new data showing that cost of living
32:24
Speaker 16: is going to be a massive problem for the next
32:27
Speaker 16: world years.
32:27
Speaker 3: Look, we're all facing the cost of living crisis around
32:30
Speaker 3: the country.
32:31
Speaker 1: But don't worry. The defense force is.
32:33
Speaker 3: Going to zero and we're going to get a misinformation
32:35
Speaker 3: and disinformation bill. Try selling that one, Albot, good luck,
32:39
Speaker 3: thanks for joining us the Lisa and SUSI. I really
32:42
Speaker 3: appreciate it. So we'll catch up with you next week.
32:44
Speaker 3: Got to get to the break and I've still got
32:46
Speaker 3: more to come on. This border chaos another problem for
32:48
Speaker 3: Anthony alban Esi with four suspective asylum seekers turning up
32:52
Speaker 3: off the Northern Territory today. Also, Donald Trump picks someone
32:56
Speaker 3: else to secure his borders. Well, the border and immigration
33:06
Speaker 3: shambles for labor just got worse, with four suspected asylum
33:10
Speaker 3: seekers arriving undetected on Croker Island that's about two hundred
33:14
Speaker 3: and fifty k's northeast of Darwin. The Opposition leader Peter
33:17
Speaker 3: Dutton says it's a worry.
33:20
Speaker 4: Well, it's clear that the people smugglers believed that they're
33:22
Speaker 4: back in business. This is now the twenty third boat
33:24
Speaker 4: arrival and it's another one that's been undetected. Our borders
33:30
Speaker 4: are not secure under the Urbanezi government. How can a
33:32
Speaker 4: boat make it to the mainland without any detection whatsoever.
33:37
Speaker 3: Let's bring in Liberal MP for Flinders A Zoey Mackenzie.
33:40
Speaker 3: Good to talk to you again, Zoey. Look, this has
33:42
Speaker 3: got to be concerned to all Australians under this government.
33:45
Speaker 3: Now we've seen people delivered to what is effectively the
33:48
Speaker 3: Australian mainland at least three or four times, something that
33:52
Speaker 3: hadn't happened for ten years prior.
33:56
Speaker 2: It is extraordinary, isn't it. So twenty three boats and
33:59
Speaker 2: we only know about this one after those who arrived
34:01
Speaker 2: at Croker Island have been taken off the mainland. So
34:05
Speaker 2: how many do we not know about? The Good news
34:08
Speaker 2: is the indigenous people of Croker Island are on the job.
34:10
Speaker 2: The Department of Home Affairs is not. They found them
34:13
Speaker 2: and they reported them. But frankly, it's no surprise this
34:17
Speaker 2: is happening when the aerial flyovers have decreased by twenty
34:21
Speaker 2: one percent under this government, and indeed sixteen percent less
34:25
Speaker 2: maritime patrol days than at the peak of twenty twenty one,
34:29
Speaker 2: which Mayrimandi was also in the middle of COVID. So
34:31
Speaker 2: are not necessarily a time when people were getting in
34:33
Speaker 2: votes and trying to make their way to Australia. So really,
34:36
Speaker 2: what an extraordinary failing from the Department of Home Affairs.
34:40
Speaker 2: And they're helpless ministers. We've had a string of them
34:42
Speaker 2: now every day, a new disaster.
34:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a worry.
34:46
Speaker 3: And this comes while we know that the criminal non
34:50
Speaker 3: citizens have been freed from immigration to tens and they
34:54
Speaker 3: can't now be subjected to curfews or ankle bracelet monitoring.
34:59
Speaker 3: Is there any word on what the government's new legislation,
35:01
Speaker 3: new laws, how they're going to fix this, Not.
35:04
Speaker 2: That I've heard today, Chris. This is fairly fresh news.
35:07
Speaker 2: And obviously you've had the leader of the Opposition exclusively
35:10
Speaker 2: speaking to this guy telling the government they need.
35:13
Speaker 10: To do a better job.
35:14
Speaker 2: It's Tuesday afternoon. I suspect we won't see what a
35:16
Speaker 2: better do a books ike until they rush badly drafted
35:20
Speaker 2: legislation in next week, as they always do, and then
35:22
Speaker 2: find that it doesn't do the job anyway, because that,
35:25
Speaker 2: frankly has been the record Todaate a couple of times
35:27
Speaker 2: we've had to rush back to Canberra to pass something urgently,
35:30
Speaker 2: only to find it wasn't urgent, nor was it particularly
35:32
Speaker 2: fit for purpose, nor was it constitutionally sound.
35:35
Speaker 1: It has it worked, that's the trouble. It hasn't worked.
35:38
Speaker 3: They've rushed it through, they said it would fix the problem,
35:40
Speaker 3: and now we've got this problem again.
35:42
Speaker 1: Now you've got a lot of experience in.
35:44
Speaker 3: International negotiations, diplomacy, trade negotiations. Is it tenable for Kevin
35:49
Speaker 3: Rudd to stay as ambassador? Surely the best thing for
35:52
Speaker 3: the country is to have someone else there cool Kevin.
35:55
Speaker 2: I can't believe it took him until after the election
35:57
Speaker 2: to delete all of his tweets. Incredibly unwise. So look,
36:01
Speaker 2: I suspect he's working very hard over there, but he's
36:04
Speaker 2: got a lot of ground to travel. Trump is very
36:06
Speaker 2: much a trust man. He likes to look his interlocertive
36:10
Speaker 2: in the eyes and know where they stand and that
36:13
Speaker 2: they will judge fairly his policy agenda. It doesn't sound
36:18
Speaker 2: on the basis of those tweets now all deleted, that
36:21
Speaker 2: rud does come to it with his best Bona fardies
36:23
Speaker 2: on his sleeves. So we will see how that goes.
36:26
Speaker 2: It was a really difficult time when Joe Hockey had
36:30
Speaker 2: to go into bat for Australian steel and aluminium. We
36:33
Speaker 2: did well out of those negotiations, but they were intense
36:36
Speaker 2: and they were difficult. It requires a deft and trusted
36:40
Speaker 2: partner in that ambassadorial chair.
36:43
Speaker 3: Now, just briefly, please tell me the Coalition is going
36:47
Speaker 3: to go hard and strong against a net zero strategy
36:51
Speaker 3: for our defense forces.
36:54
Speaker 2: I read that today. I just thought you are kidding me. Right.
36:57
Speaker 2: So we don't have enough ADF and Home affairs personnel
37:01
Speaker 2: in the season in the years over our northern borders.
37:04
Speaker 2: We don't have enough people signing up to be recruits.
37:08
Speaker 2: But that's okay because we're going to fix the ADF
37:10
Speaker 2: needs by requiring them to rely on wind and solar
37:15
Speaker 2: and renewable fuel for planes, which by the way doesn't
37:19
Speaker 2: really exist aviation industry. We don't even have non flava
37:23
Speaker 2: non flababile fuels for planes does actually exist, so that
37:25
Speaker 2: if there is an accident, they don't burst into planes.
37:28
Speaker 2: But we don't do that either. So it's just a
37:30
Speaker 2: crazy suggestion from a group of people who've already may say,
37:33
Speaker 2: slashed eighty billion dollars from the future funding of the
37:38
Speaker 2: Defense Force when yeah, exactly, sorry.
37:42
Speaker 3: No, sorry, I just rushing up there. I've got to
37:44
Speaker 3: move on to the next piece. But your spot on,
37:46
Speaker 3: spot on is such a worry. Thanks for joining us,
37:48
Speaker 3: zoe I appreciate Zoey mackenzie member for Flinders. They're joining
37:51
Speaker 3: us from Victoria. I mean we may as well just
37:54
Speaker 3: ring Beijing now and say come and take the joint
37:57
Speaker 3: because we're just going with unicorn farts here instead of
38:01
Speaker 3: a defense force now. Donald Trump's cabinet is starting to
38:05
Speaker 3: take shape with several key appointments today, including Tom Homan
38:09
Speaker 3: as the new Borders It's going to be his job
38:11
Speaker 3: to regain control of the US borders and oversee the
38:16
Speaker 3: deportation too of illegal migrants that Trump has promised.
38:19
Speaker 1: Homan's known for his no nonsense approach.
38:23
Speaker 10: I got to go.
38:23
Speaker 17: Back and hope because every morning I get up every
38:26
Speaker 17: morning I'm pissed off from all whether this administration did
38:28
Speaker 17: for more secure border in my lifetime.
38:30
Speaker 10: So I won't go back and do what I can
38:32
Speaker 10: fix it.
38:33
Speaker 1: Yeah.
38:33
Speaker 3: Now, this bloke is experienced and as you heard, he's
38:36
Speaker 3: determined to fix the problem. Kristen Tape reckons he's the
38:39
Speaker 3: man for the job.
38:41
Speaker 18: If there's one person who can fix this crisis, it's
38:43
Speaker 18: Tom Tom Holman. This was a perfect choice by Trump.
38:47
Speaker 18: Homan started out as a cop and then worked his
38:50
Speaker 18: way up through the ranks and border patrol, and this
38:54
Speaker 18: is going to happen. Chris, there's a mandate here for deportations.
38:58
Speaker 18: Pauls have found that the majure' forty of Americans that
39:01
Speaker 18: includes Democrats support mass deportations at this point fifty four
39:06
Speaker 18: percent of the population, that includes eighty six percent of Republicans.
39:10
Speaker 18: There should be no question that this is what needs
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Speaker 18: to be done. I expect to see them focused first
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Speaker 18: on the hardened criminals, getting them out of the country
39:17
Speaker 18: to stop the flow of drugs, particularly fentanel, and then
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Speaker 18: perhaps broadening that effort out to other illegal immigrants in
39:24
Speaker 18: the country as well.
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Speaker 3: Now, another crucial appointment, in my view is for the
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Speaker 3: UN ambassador's role. I suppose it matters less for the
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Speaker 3: domestic political debate in the US, but it certainly matters
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Speaker 3: for how the US projects to the world, and especially
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Speaker 3: when you look at the UN's weakness on issues like
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Speaker 3: the Middle East, it's going to be great to have
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Speaker 3: a strong ambassador there. We did have Nikki Hailey under
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump previously. I thought she was a fantastic ambassador
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Speaker 3: in the UN. But of course she was very antagonistic
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Speaker 3: towards Donald Trump when she ran against him in the primaries.
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Speaker 1: Here is some of what she had to say.
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Speaker 17: We don't need two eighty year old candidates running for president.
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Speaker 17: We need someone who can serve a years discipline, strong,
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Speaker 17: no volatility, no drama, no vindictiveness, just get the job
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Speaker 17: done for the American people.
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Speaker 3: And Kristin Nicky Highly's tried to soften her language in
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Speaker 3: the last few months, tried to engrishaut herself back into the.
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Speaker 1: Trump camp, but he's having none of it.
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Speaker 18: She will not get a job correct, and she's not
40:27
Speaker 18: really aligned with where the heart of the Republican Party
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Speaker 18: is right now. She's very much seen as sort of
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Speaker 18: a warmonger Republican of the nineteen nineties, if you will,
40:35
Speaker 18: if you talk to the real movers and shakers in
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Speaker 18: the Republican Party and just in the conservative movement, people
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Speaker 18: like Tucker Carlson, these folks don't have a particularly favorable
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Speaker 18: view of Nicki Hayley.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 18: I mean, now that it's convenient for her to do so,
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Speaker 18: she softened her language about Trump, but I don't see
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Speaker 18: her having any role in a Trump administration moving forward,
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Speaker 18: at least for the next few years.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So you an ambassador is going to be a Republican
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Speaker 3: upcomer from New York State at leasa stefaniks. We'll have
41:05
Speaker 3: to watch and see how she performs. I want to
41:07
Speaker 3: go to the reaction. You must have been lapping up
41:10
Speaker 3: the reaction of the liberal left in the US as
41:13
Speaker 3: they try and digest what has happened. Have a look
41:15
Speaker 3: at this on C and N talking about the reaction
41:18
Speaker 3: in the bureaucracy.
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Speaker 19: We are in a new dystopian healthscape. That is from
41:24
Speaker 19: a federal employee via text message last night, and that
41:28
Speaker 19: is the mindset of many of the two million federal
41:30
Speaker 19: workers anticipating Donald Trump's return to office.
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Speaker 3: A dystopian healthscape Christian in other words, the end of
41:38
Speaker 3: big government Perbs.
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Speaker 18: Well, that's exactly right. I mean, the federal government has
41:43
Speaker 18: gotten way too big in this country. It's the nation's
41:45
Speaker 18: largest employer. That news anchor was not even correct. It's
41:48
Speaker 18: two point seven million people who are employed by the
41:50
Speaker 18: federal government and that doesn't even count the millions more
41:53
Speaker 18: contractors and other people who are you know, de facto
41:57
Speaker 18: employees of the federal government. Needs to be drained. This
42:01
Speaker 18: is not about demonizing individuals who work for the federal government.
42:04
Speaker 18: This is about creating a government that works for the people.
42:08
Speaker 18: Elon Musk is going to be in charge of downsizing
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Speaker 18: the swamp and the federal government. Think about this, Chris.
42:13
Speaker 18: When he bought Twitter, Elon Musk fired eighty percent of
42:16
Speaker 18: the staff and Twitter on Twitter now x runs better
42:19
Speaker 18: than it ever has now, so he should probably do
42:21
Speaker 18: something similar with the federal government. And he has said
42:24
Speaker 18: publicly that if he does so, or he helps Trump
42:27
Speaker 18: do so, these federal employees will be given very cushy
42:30
Speaker 18: packages when they are sent packing, hopefully so that people
42:34
Speaker 18: have time to.
42:35
Speaker 10: Find new jobs.
42:36
Speaker 18: But the federal government has just gotten way too big,
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Speaker 18: way too powerful, and not accountable anymore to the American people.
42:43
Speaker 18: So it's got to be downsized significantly.
42:47
Speaker 3: Well, it's a reminder the good SETI usually tells us
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Speaker 3: uncomfortable truths. I want to revisit this bit of SETA
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Speaker 3: from last week that shows us the Democrats weren't really
42:58
Speaker 3: trying to defend democracy, to defend bureaucracy.
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Speaker 19: If the Democrats fail, it might be the end of
43:04
Speaker 19: American bureaucracy. Our bureaucracy really is in fundamental peril.
43:08
Speaker 17: The foundations of American bureaucracy under attack. They want to
43:12
Speaker 17: destroy our bureaucracy.
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Speaker 5: We are at bureaucracy and danger for watching an election
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Speaker 5: where people.
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Speaker 6: Are on the ballot openly addicating the end of bureaucracy.
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Speaker 3: I love it, and Christen, let's hope that Elon Musk
43:25
Speaker 3: can shake up the bureaucracy for the benefit of people,
43:28
Speaker 3: not for the detriment of people.
43:29
Speaker 1: Of course, I just want to hear your thoughts on
43:31
Speaker 1: what we're learning about the campaign.
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Speaker 3: A bit of this came out during the campaign, and
43:35
Speaker 3: people weren't certain of whether it was factual or not,
43:37
Speaker 3: but it now seems very clear that the Democrats were
43:40
Speaker 3: just getting these big celebrity endorsements. And then pop stars
43:44
Speaker 3: are Beyonce and the others all sort of turning up
43:47
Speaker 3: and singing songs at Kamala Harris's rallies. These people were
43:52
Speaker 3: getting paid for the privilege, big dollars.
43:57
Speaker 18: That's exactly right. The campaign, despite all the billions of
44:02
Speaker 18: dollars that were raised, is now in debt because of
44:05
Speaker 18: all of these payments. And I don't even suspect that
44:08
Speaker 18: these celebrity endorsements did anything to help Kamala Harris.
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Speaker 3: Chris.
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Speaker 18: I mean, the vast majority of Americans they look at
44:14
Speaker 18: people like Taylor Swift and Beyonce and they see completely
44:18
Speaker 18: out of touch, self obsessed, rich celebrities. And when these
44:22
Speaker 18: rich celebrities lecture to us and wave their fingers in
44:25
Speaker 18: our face and tell us that we're bad, racist xenophobes,
44:29
Speaker 18: that turns a lot of voters off. Actually, it doesn't
44:32
Speaker 18: really help Kamala Harris. So that was a big waste
44:35
Speaker 18: of money spending all those tens of millions of dollars
44:38
Speaker 18: on these horrible people, these celebrities who just love to
44:42
Speaker 18: lecture the rest of us average Americans.
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Speaker 1: And of course a letter in the wake. We're looking
44:48
Speaker 1: forward to Joe Biden.
44:49
Speaker 3: He's gonna fight his why off the beach, back into
44:51
Speaker 3: the White House and mate with Donald Trump.
44:53
Speaker 1: A let more on that letter in the wake. Thanks
44:54
Speaker 1: for joining us, Kristin, Thank you very much.
44:57
Speaker 18: Chris.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, an update on Joe Biden. I think he has
45:01
Speaker 3: made it off the beach. He's back in the house now.
45:04
Speaker 3: Really the head down to Washington now. Actually he turned
45:05
Speaker 3: up at an event with Kamala Harris so yesterday for
45:09
Speaker 3: remembrance stake. Let us go to a break on the
45:11
Speaker 3: other side of it. I can't wait to catch up
45:13
Speaker 3: with Tim Blair. We're going to talk about new laws
45:15
Speaker 3: to try and stop some of these loopy protesters who
45:19
Speaker 3: inconvenience everyone, also a lot of Tesla owners falling victim
45:24
Speaker 3: to vandalism. Let's head out to the wim Ball Away
45:32
Speaker 3: and catch up with Tim Blair from the Daily Telegraph.
45:34
Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, mate.
45:36
Speaker 3: I've got to get your thoughts on these nutty protests
45:38
Speaker 3: and we've seen them in Brisbane, in Adelaide, in Melbourne,
45:41
Speaker 3: in Sydney, blocking bridges, blocking roads for their blocking ships,
45:47
Speaker 3: blocking trains, all this sort of stuff.
45:49
Speaker 1: Because of their usually climate protests, but it could be anything.
45:52
Speaker 3: Now the new South Wales government's bringing new laws in
45:55
Speaker 3: with higher fines and all the rest of it. You know,
45:58
Speaker 3: well and good, but call me skeptical. I just see
46:01
Speaker 3: this tough talking and tough laws all the time. They
46:04
Speaker 3: never get in parts. They never stop these people, They
46:06
Speaker 3: never check them in jail.
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Speaker 20: Absolutely, the fines as impressive as they are, although they'd
46:13
Speaker 20: be better fines if they had an extra zero attached.
46:16
Speaker 20: The finds mean nothing unless they're imposed by both the
46:19
Speaker 20: courts of law and up time. As you point out,
46:22
Speaker 20: we get courts with ay incredibly on side with the protesters.
46:28
Speaker 20: There's very little point in enforcing laws when the legal
46:32
Speaker 20: structure itself is opposed to those laws. You know, news
46:35
Speaker 20: Biles need to be clean out in terms of its
46:38
Speaker 20: judicial judicial level. And anyone I think who agrees that
46:42
Speaker 20: people who block traffic or hold up freight or block
46:46
Speaker 20: entire ports, anyone who thinks those guys are the good guys,
46:50
Speaker 20: get them off the bench.
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Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. I don't care what their cause is. They're
46:54
Speaker 3: not there to inconvenience other people. They can easily protest
46:57
Speaker 3: without doing that. Let's go on to some of the
47:00
Speaker 3: renewable energy stuff, electric vehicles stuff. There's a bit of
47:03
Speaker 3: a spate of people trying to vandalize Tesla's. Now, you
47:06
Speaker 3: and I often have a bit of a laugh about
47:09
Speaker 3: electric vehicles and the push there some of the presser.
47:11
Speaker 1: But look at this.
47:11
Speaker 3: I mean, you wouldn't condone this to any car anytime,
47:15
Speaker 3: but a lot of cars have cameras.
47:17
Speaker 1: Now and they're actually picking this up.
47:19
Speaker 3: Doesn't seem to dissuade people. And there's all sorts of
47:22
Speaker 3: theories to mister why people would be doing this, and
47:24
Speaker 3: one of them, of course, being that a lot of
47:26
Speaker 3: people hate Elon must Now, who obviously owns Tesla because
47:30
Speaker 3: he backs Trump.
47:32
Speaker 20: That I think is the majority cause of these attacks.
47:35
Speaker 20: You know, I'm a right winger, I'm a conservative. Property
47:38
Speaker 20: vandalism vandalism, attacks on private property are terrible to me.
47:42
Speaker 20: And it doesn't matter if it's an electric vehicle, a
47:44
Speaker 20: pedrol vehicle, whatever. I mean, that's stupid. You're attacking something
47:47
Speaker 20: that's owned by someone else. Now, I understand that maybe
47:51
Speaker 20: there were a few attacks on Tesla's in the US
47:53
Speaker 20: by people who just don't like electric cars to the
47:56
Speaker 20: extent that they want to hurt them and scratch them up.
47:59
Speaker 20: But I think it's I'm more likely now, you know,
48:02
Speaker 20: during the heat of the youth election where Elon Musk
48:04
Speaker 20: was so involved. Now I think I think we've got
48:07
Speaker 20: the people who are taking it out, taking their frustrations
48:10
Speaker 20: out on Musk on these vehicles.
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Speaker 14: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Well, we showed the other week these stick as saying,
48:14
Speaker 3: you know, I bought this car before I knew what
48:16
Speaker 3: a loser Musk was. And now we know why they're
48:19
Speaker 3: putting their stickers there is to protect their car. Perhaps
48:22
Speaker 3: Now we've also focused a lot on the dangers of
48:25
Speaker 3: these lithium rechargeable batteries. There's been another house fire in
48:29
Speaker 3: southwestern Sydney overnight, one person very seriously burned and their
48:34
Speaker 3: home damage just a shirt some pictures here. We can't
48:37
Speaker 3: issue this warning often enough, tim that you just can't
48:40
Speaker 3: leave these things charging overnight in a building in which
48:44
Speaker 3: you live, That you're asking for a disaster.
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Speaker 20: It's extraordinary. And again we can't repeat often enough how
48:51
Speaker 20: loud the complaints would be if this was anything to
48:53
Speaker 20: do with, for example, with fossil fuels or with a
48:56
Speaker 20: nuclear energy. You know, these things are burning all the
48:59
Speaker 20: time and dangerous lives all the time. When do you
49:02
Speaker 20: read about nuclear energy like even Fukushima, even the disaster
49:06
Speaker 20: that was Fukushima, when you know we're a natural disaster,
49:08
Speaker 20: sparked a subs a bit, nuclear shot, no one hurt. Seriously,
49:12
Speaker 20: these things are worse than nuclear energy. You know a
49:15
Speaker 20: lot of things are I walked through your kitchen to
49:17
Speaker 20: probably more dangerous. But this is this is getting really,
49:20
Speaker 20: this is getting word of the series.
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Speaker 3: There needs to be a bigger focus on it. Thanks
49:23
Speaker 3: very much, Tim, I appreciate it. Just a bit of
49:26
Speaker 3: time for some of your feedback on what I had
49:28
Speaker 3: to say last night about the lessons for Anthony albanezy
49:30
Speaker 3: out of the US election. And one viewer says, don't
49:33
Speaker 3: forget about immigrants arriving into Australia per year and our
49:36
Speaker 3: kids cannot get a home anymore, and Case says, sooner
49:40
Speaker 3: we see the back of elbow and the labor green
49:43
Speaker 3: till mob, the better you can go and live in
49:46
Speaker 3: his new house. Well, he has got a nice retirement
49:48
Speaker 3: home ready to go. We'll see what the new year brings.
49:51
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me. Here's Peter Quidlin