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Are You Team Thinking Ape or Team Sargon of Akkad? | Maintaining Frame 128 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name
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  Speaker 1: is Brian Allison and this is maintaining frame number one eight.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I know the reason why is because I had
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  Speaker 2: a really bad headache.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I know, I know you had a bad headache.
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  Speaker 1: It's okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was not feeling well. So tell us about
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  Speaker 2: what we're doing today.
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  Speaker 1: All right. This was a request, right, m hmm.
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  Speaker 2: This is a request from the Great Indoors.
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  Speaker 1: So, the Great Indoors. Yeah, so the Great Indoors sent
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  Speaker 1: us two videos to talk about. And I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if he watched them both, because well, I'll just tell
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  Speaker 1: you what they are, and then i'll tell you who
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  Speaker 1: made them, or I'll tell you who they made them,
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  Speaker 1: what they are, and then what the relevancy is I guess.
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  Speaker 1: So I can't speak for Great Indoors. But the two
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  Speaker 1: videos we have is one by Sargon of a cod
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  Speaker 1: who's come back to YouTube. It's like twenty sixteen all
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  Speaker 1: over again. And he made a video called the Destiny
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  Speaker 1: of America, which is sort of discussing like the the
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  Speaker 1: let's say, relationship between the recent Trump election and history specifically,
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  Speaker 1: he talks about Rome and Julian the Apostate and like
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  Speaker 1: how these things are related, and his view on the
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  Speaker 1: election itself is overall optimistic. He's grateful, and I think
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  Speaker 1: that as a brit he's you know, looking like the
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  Speaker 1: British are looking at us to see like how things go,
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  Speaker 1: because what happens in the States affects everybody and in turn,
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  Speaker 1: you know the same, so that those are I mean,
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  Speaker 1: like in a nutshell. He is talking about the Trump
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  Speaker 1: victory and he puts it in this perspective of Julian
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  Speaker 1: the Apostate, I think is what he was known as.
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  Speaker 1: Then we have this video from Stardusk, and I think
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  Speaker 1: his channel's called Thinking eight, but he still uses Stardusk
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  Speaker 1: in his openings, so you should see that on the
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  Speaker 1: screen now. And his video is called did we did?
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  Speaker 1: What exactly? Did you win? And Stardusk is talking about
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  Speaker 1: the Trump election, but he's talking about it specifically from
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  Speaker 1: a how does this benefit men exactly? Perspective. This is
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  Speaker 1: the reason why I wonder what Great Indoors is like
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  Speaker 1: what his goal is. I get that Carl and Stardusk
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  Speaker 1: sort of travel in the same circles as US, and
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  Speaker 1: I think that that's true, and I think they speak
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  Speaker 1: on these issues. I think Carl's had you know, he's
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  Speaker 1: been on our show before. He's had first six firsthand
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  Speaker 1: experience with you know, like feminism and like and and
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  Speaker 1: he knows about men's issues. He's been to ICMI twenty nineteen.
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  Speaker 1: And Stardusk has been a migtal for you know, very
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  Speaker 1: long time. He's been He's like one of the OG's.
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  Speaker 1: It was like him and Barbarossa, and that was basically
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  Speaker 1: it for a while, at least that I know of.
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  Speaker 1: So we got like these two guys. But but they're
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  Speaker 1: they have the I guess it sounds it would sound
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  Speaker 1: like they're kind of on opposite sides of this thing.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm not sure that that's true because Carl didn't
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  Speaker 1: put the election in the the sort of men's issues lens.
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  Speaker 1: He was talking about it in like a broader narrative sense.
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  Speaker 1: Start Us specifically was focused on like whether or not
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  Speaker 1: this is going to be is whether or not this
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  Speaker 1: is a win for men. So there's like different you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's a slightly different conversations. So that's basically what we're
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  Speaker 1: going to be looking at.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. All right, well, I guess the best thing
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  Speaker 2: the great indoors for this. So let's uh, let's begin.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So what do you want to start with?
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  Speaker 1: I got time codes and I've watched both videos. I
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  Speaker 1: you know we can like, I mean, when you want
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  Speaker 1: to start with Carl. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, let's start with Carl.
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  Speaker 1: I want to if you want to, like, nerd out
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  Speaker 1: a little bit on Roman history. So let's start with
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  Speaker 1: This is probably the most contentious part of the video.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, can you say nerd out on Roman history?
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  Speaker 1: And then you just yeah, because it's it starts with well,
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  Speaker 1: let's just listen to this. Okay, this is the where
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  Speaker 1: the I'm not quite where the timecode is, but it's okay,
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  Speaker 1: it's just a few.
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  Speaker 3: Seconds, so turn back the clock to an earlier point.
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  Speaker 3: In liberal democracy, MAGA represents the free wheeling, classically liberal
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  Speaker 3: America of the second half of the twentieth century, the
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  Speaker 3: America that won the Cold War and put a man
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  Speaker 3: on the moon. These are the energetic forces of technological progress, abundance,
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  Speaker 3: and expansion. They espouse a moral doctrine of freedom, ability,
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  Speaker 3: and liberty. In opposition to this are the rival forces
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  Speaker 3: that go under the name of social justice, what we
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  Speaker 3: now colloquially call woke. This movement developed its ideology within
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  Speaker 3: American academia through the same time span as the dominant
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  Speaker 3: liberal culture, resentfully gathering up the people who felt that
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  Speaker 3: they did not benefit from the existing order and carefully
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  Speaker 3: devising a new moral code which was deliberately designed to
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  Speaker 3: overthrow the old. This movement has been a subversive but
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  Speaker 3: minor part of the popular culture for decades now, but
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  Speaker 3: since around twenty ten it has been in the ascendancy,
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  Speaker 3: using the old liberal culture's own arguments against it to
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  Speaker 3: establish a new moral order in which the marginalized minorities
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  Speaker 3: would be given the reins of civilization of the majority.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's go back to some of these stats
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  Speaker 1: that he throws on the screen, because I think that
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  Speaker 1: so Carl is saying, and I think this is correct,
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  Speaker 1: that you know, we had like and I don't think
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  Speaker 1: he specifically applies to the United States, but I don't
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  Speaker 1: think it's unique to the US. He's just saying that,
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  Speaker 1: that's the context of the video, that we had a
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  Speaker 1: you know, a liberal democracy whatever you want to call it,
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  Speaker 1: throughout you know, like most of the second half of
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  Speaker 1: the twentieth century, and somewhere since twenty ten, we saw
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  Speaker 1: a ramp up in more hardline, radical, progressive, you know movements.
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  Speaker 1: And he shows this here because this is probably sort
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  Speaker 1: of a side effect of the Internet. He says this,
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  Speaker 1: This chart says yearly prevalence of terms that signify prejudice
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  Speaker 1: in popular news media outlets. So how much the news
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  Speaker 1: covers stuff? And so we have you know, you can
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  Speaker 1: see here there's the freak with the median. Sorry, the
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  Speaker 1: relative frequency is the what is that? The y axis
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  Speaker 1: and the x axis is like the year and it
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  Speaker 1: shows who's talking about it. So blue is Purple's New
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  Speaker 1: York Times, green is Washington Poe's Oranges La Times, and
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  Speaker 1: yellow is Wall Street Journal. And then each one of
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  Speaker 1: these graphs represents a different sort of woke talking point.
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  Speaker 1: So racism, racist racists is this one? Sexism, sexist, misogyny, homophobia, homophobic, transphobia, islamophobia,
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  Speaker 1: and anti semitism. These are all of the buzzwords that
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  Speaker 1: are used to shame people, and how they have. You
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  Speaker 1: can see in every instance its spiked massively as we
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  Speaker 1: move from twenty ten to twenty twenty, and obviously it's
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  Speaker 1: we're in twenty twenty four now and there are no
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  Speaker 1: signs that it's slowing down. But this was done through academia,
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  Speaker 1: which is why it started happening big time, like not
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  Speaker 1: just when we got social media and the Internet was
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  Speaker 1: more sort of popular to use, because you can look
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  Speaker 1: at you know here, I think some people had like
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  Speaker 1: America Online in the nineties, but you were very lucky
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  Speaker 1: if you had that. And then but the rest of
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  Speaker 1: us got caught up once smartphones came out and we
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  Speaker 1: started seeing more in social media. Right. So essentially what
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  Speaker 1: he's saying is this leftism used liberalism to basically get
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  Speaker 1: its foot in the door and now and then it
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  Speaker 1: started ramping everything up and essentially saying, don't you hate racists,
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  Speaker 1: don't you hate misogynists, don't you hate transphobs? We all
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  Speaker 1: do too, Let's all get on board and talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: And it became a new well not really new, but
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  Speaker 1: like a way to essentially like bully people and get
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  Speaker 1: them in line with your ideology. So it co opted
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  Speaker 1: liberalism and did that.
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  Speaker 3: Pu'sh a new moral order in which the margin.
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  Speaker 1: And now here we have this book Feminist Theory from
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  Speaker 1: Margin to Center at Belle Hooks. This is from like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, the sixth the seventies, so you know,
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  Speaker 1: this is how far back this thing was going on.
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  Speaker 3: These minorities would be given the reins of civilization over
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  Speaker 3: the majority. This new morality has been slowly but surely
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  Speaker 3: indoctrinating new generations through a wide reaching network which controls
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  Speaker 3: the education system to promote its own doctrine of progress.
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  Speaker 3: In contrast to the Maga doctrine, the woke doctrine is
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  Speaker 3: a sluggish system of social progress, redistribution and contraction. It
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  Speaker 3: seeks to close a circle around civilization and reorder the
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  Speaker 3: hierarchy of society so that it appears to them more
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  Speaker 3: even more just, and raises up those people who the
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  Speaker 3: losers in a competitive society.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, in by its nature anti meritocratic. Essentially, this election,
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  Speaker 1: what Carl's saying, is a referendum on that, on that ideology.
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  Speaker 1: It's a rejection of that whole thing, because so many people,
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  Speaker 1: especially men, have been dealing with this stuff. And it's
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  Speaker 1: not just an annoyance. It's not just cringe. It's it's
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  Speaker 1: essentially making their lives harder as a result. Like it's
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  Speaker 1: harder to find work, it's harder to afford things, it's
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  Speaker 1: harder to you know, be around other people, it's harder
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  Speaker 1: to like form social groups because this stuff is a
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  Speaker 1: serious obstacle. It's not just an annoyance. And he rightfully
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  Speaker 1: points it out, and it's obviously by its nature anti meritocratic,
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  Speaker 1: which is something that men generally thrive on. So I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if you want to say anything about that.
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  Speaker 1: Before I move on to the next bit. He's gonna
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  Speaker 1: talk about Julian the Apostate, But essentially he's drawing parallels
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  Speaker 1: between Julian the Apostate and how that changed Rome after Constantine.
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  Speaker 1: So this is like, you know, when Rome became a
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  Speaker 1: Christian country, and that it was when well we could
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  Speaker 1: play the clips, but essentially, Julian Apostate was trying to
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  Speaker 1: fix a kind of overcorrection caused by the Christians when
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  Speaker 1: Constantine essentially validated them and made Rome Christian, and Julian
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  Speaker 1: was sort of like a He's sort of like a
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  Speaker 1: parallel to Trump, is what sort is saying. So not
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  Speaker 1: like Caesar, which everybody says.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm I'm I think that it it might
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  Speaker 2: that parallel. You could make that par just to illustrate
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  Speaker 2: a concept. I'm not sure how strong parallel is. Like,
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  Speaker 2: if you just want to make it like it, give
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  Speaker 2: us a little framing device, a little framing narration on
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  Speaker 2: what you're getting at, it's fine, But I think if
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  Speaker 2: you're trying to draw a direct parallel between woke and Christianity.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he's saying they're both religions. I think that's his perspective.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not offended by it. I think that when people
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  Speaker 1: adopt a new, you know, way of thinking, I guess,
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  Speaker 1: or a way of seeing the world, or a new
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  Speaker 1: concept of meaning, there's definitely the risk of them going overboard.
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  Speaker 1: And that's kind of what the woke did, and according
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  Speaker 1: to this, it's what the first the early Christians did too.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that, I mean, it could be fair.
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  Speaker 1: I could we could watch more of this if you're
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  Speaker 1: curious about that, or I could jump ahead to another bit.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean I can discuss it, like the parallels
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  Speaker 2: between Christianity and and woke, I think Christianity represented something
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  Speaker 2: far more revolutionary than what what woke is. I think
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  Speaker 2: woke is actually a regression towards wanting to create a hierarchy,
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  Speaker 2: almost like a religious hierarchy, and through vulnerability. So essentially
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  Speaker 2: what it does is you are identifying the smallest amount
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  Speaker 2: of people that you have to care about, and then
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  Speaker 2: the rest of.
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  Speaker 1: Anybody else you've got to focus on compassion. Whereas the
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  Speaker 1: Pagans of Rome were more like vitalists, and.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's it's not. I don't even know if you
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  Speaker 2: can say that what woke is is about compassion. I
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  Speaker 2: think it's, like I said, it's about constructing a hierarchy
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  Speaker 2: and putting a minority in a position where they define.
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  Speaker 2: It might be considered more like a search for identity
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  Speaker 2: in old beliefs, because I mean, Christianity does have this
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  Speaker 2: idea of well.
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  Speaker 1: You remember, I think remember when Black Lives Matter started
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  Speaker 1: and we had all those riots, and they were like
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  Speaker 1: washing people's feet and like essentially engaging in this these
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  Speaker 1: religious rituals. That that's I mean, I would I would
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  Speaker 1: probably say it's more like a cult than yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, but what I'm trying to get at is that
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  Speaker 2: they are seeking to create sort of a very archaic
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  Speaker 2: religious hierarchy based on vulnerability, because vulnerability feels like it's
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  Speaker 2: like the most fundamental aspect of identity. If that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: I know, I'm saying a lot of stuff makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I understand what you're saying. We've talked about
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  Speaker 1: this before.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like a search for identity, and what ends
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  Speaker 2: up happening is you put at the core the most
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  Speaker 2: vulnerable you can find and because we're human beings and
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  Speaker 2: we tend to respond very strongly to vulnerability, it feels
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  Speaker 2: like it's this kind of satisfying understanding of self. So
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  Speaker 2: we understand ourselves in the context of this vulnerable other.
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  Speaker 2: And but at the end of the day, what it's
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  Speaker 2: doing is it's constructing the smallest number of people that
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  Speaker 2: we have to care about, and they we put them
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  Speaker 2: into a religious cast on top, and everybody sort of
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  Speaker 2: aligns themselves. I'll try to make this work into the
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  Speaker 2: camera in a in a pyramid shape below them. So
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  Speaker 2: it's it's actually a throwback to a much older way
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  Speaker 2: of thinking. Like if you can think of the zigguratsigat,
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  Speaker 2: it might be like pyramive ebgyp thinking. But yeah, so
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  Speaker 2: we have this priestly top class based on our response
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  Speaker 2: to vulnerability, and it's it's like a ziggurat and we're
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  Speaker 2: all supposed to be supporting the top. And that's an
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  Speaker 2: old way of structuring society. So it's a throwback. I
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  Speaker 2: would argue that Christianity represented a revolution in human consciousness,
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  Speaker 2: and I could get more into that, but I think
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  Speaker 2: it's like what we're seeing with Mark is aggression. We
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  Speaker 2: don't have if we're the Roman Empire, we don't have
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  Speaker 2: our Christianity yet.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, in my opinion, But well, let's watch a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more of it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, as there is nothing new under the sun, you
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  Speaker 3: may not be surprised to learn that all of this
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  Speaker 3: has happened before. It has been on my mind since
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  Speaker 3: Trump's election victory that there is a fair historical comparison
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  Speaker 3: to be made between him and a lesser known Roman
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  Speaker 3: emperor called Julian the Apostate. In the first few centuries
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  Speaker 3: after the death of Christ, Christianity was a relatively small
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  Speaker 3: and persecuted religion that existed alongside other strange and esoteric
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  Speaker 3: Eastern sects. It agreed with the basic premises of the
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  Speaker 3: dominant Pagan religion that there was a spiritual world that
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  Speaker 3: intersected with the material world, and a divine force was
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  Speaker 3: ultimately responsible for earthly events. It diverged with the Pagans
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  Speaker 3: on the nature of the divine of the world. To
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  Speaker 3: the Pagans, the jealous God of Abraham was but one
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  Speaker 3: deity amongst a pantheon containing thousands of deities, and to
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  Speaker 3: the Christians, the pagan gods were the primitive superstitions applied
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  Speaker 3: to material phenomena such as the sun, moon, and stars
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  Speaker 3: orthoy were perhaps demons misleading mankind. How Christianity differed from
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  Speaker 3: Paganism was not just in its metaphysics, however, it also
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  Speaker 3: diverged in its moral approach to human life. Where Paganism
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  Speaker 3: embraced a vitalist, solar approach to life in which virtue
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  Speaker 3: was celebrated and achievement was the source of glory, Christianity
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  Speaker 3: advocated for compassion as the proper focused fun moral lives,
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  Speaker 3: and celebrated charity towards the meek, the downtrodden, and the suffering.
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  Speaker 3: It appears to me.
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah, But Christianity also emphasized the the individual as
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  Speaker 2: having a moral like a relationship, a direct relationship of
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  Speaker 2: God mediated through their moral choices, which was unique in
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  Speaker 2: a way because before you know.
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  Speaker 1: You had these relationships that they were really not interested
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  Speaker 1: in you, right, like they didn't want to.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it was like you you had a bargain, you know,
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  Speaker 2: so you would sacrifice and the God might you know,
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  Speaker 2: bequeath his his favor on you. So it was it
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  Speaker 2: was a different kind of thinking. Like fundamentally, it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: just compassionate. Was also the development of the individual as
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  Speaker 2: a moral unit, an autonomous moral unit in like a
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  Speaker 2: diad with God. And that's what I say when I
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  Speaker 2: said that, like Christianity was really revolutionary and it's how
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  Speaker 2: it's approached human consciousness. And so I don't know, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: like he's right, there was more compassion, I think, but
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  Speaker 2: the ideas that you do good works in order to
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  Speaker 2: improve your relationship with God through your behavior towards others.
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  Speaker 2: So I mean there's more to it than that.
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  Speaker 1: I think that, Yeah, I think the Yeah, I think
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  Speaker 1: a more like sort of significant difference is that Christianity
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  Speaker 1: had to focus on sort of like humility and the
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  Speaker 1: death of the ego and these other things. And of
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  Speaker 1: course the charity was coming from the people. It wasn't
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  Speaker 1: something that was supposed to come from, you know, like
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  Speaker 1: the state it was supposed to get.
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  Speaker 2: It would have been meaningless. It would have been meaningless
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  Speaker 2: that it was enforced.
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  Speaker 1: And it still ends. I mean it should be anyways.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: So u okay, let's get to let me see, I'm
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: gonna jump ahead. He talks about, you know, goes into
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: the history a little bit. It talks about Constantine the Great,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: But I'm gonna jump ahead to seven twenty four. If
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: there's something that you really want to talk about regarding Constantine,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: I can go back, but we're going like, right.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna trust whatever you because I could go.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Well. One of the things that Julian did was okay,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: was that he essentially said the Christians were getting like
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: essentially they were moving in that they were being very
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: aggressive to the Pagans, and they went into education. And
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: what Julian did was he removed the Christians from education
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: and kept it because he learned from you know, like
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: the Greek, Yeah, the Hellenics, right, so he didn't want
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: to lose that, and so he basically like said, no,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: you're we're not ready for this, we're gonna move this out,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: and separated the Christians from their schools like so they
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: couldn't teach. So I'm just jumping to that, and that's
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: kind of because what Sargan is saying is that ultimately
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: the woke came through the schools, and what we need
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: to do is, you know, get that out of there
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: if it isn't useful, which is like why you know
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: they're talking about eliminating the Federal Board of Education and
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: really re examining the way that we educate our kids,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: which is I think extremely important. We've been warned about
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: this for a very long time, but I mean, so
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: that's where I think he's getting this from. But let's
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: go ahead and play this.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Or punish the religious constancy of the most learned of
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: the Christians. Whether Christians had discouraged or prevented Pagans from
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: gaining a good education, Julian intended to reverse this dynamic
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: and ensure that it would be pagan teachers who would
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: educate succeeding generations, so that Christians who followed their own
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: scruples would become ill educated. As given concludes, Julian had
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: reason to suspect that in the space of a few years,
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: the Church would relapse into its primary simplicity, and that
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: the theologians, who possessed an adequate share of the learning
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: and eloquence of the age, would be succeeded by a
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: generation of blind and ignorant fanatics, incapable of defending the
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: truth of their own principles or exposing the various follies
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: of polytheism. Julian died a young in his early thirties,
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: slain in battle against the Persians in the East and
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: his successors undid his work and restored Christianity to the
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: moral prestige it had had before his reign. The effects
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: of his reforms did not have time to take root,
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: and twenty years after his death, the Edict of Thessalonica
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: was passed by Theodosius, which made Nicene Christianity the official
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: church of the Roman Empire, and paganism withered away within
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: a century.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: I'm just pausing there for the banana. This is the
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: last bit on his video where he kind of like
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: makes his point about this. So, okay, you want to
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: say anything about that.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Or well, what I wanted to say is that I think,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: like again, I think it's very well. First of all,
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: the idea that you're drawing this parallel between Julian the
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Apostate and Trump, which is I mean, that's not very
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: that's not I know that Chargun is being optimistic, but
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: that doesn't sound like optimism really because essentially what he's
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: saying is in twenty years it won't matter.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Right. Oh, I don't know if I think that. No,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: because he's gonna make his final point. I think he's
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: saying that we we because we know what happened to Rome,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: like we can probably circumvent this outcome, and it really
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: does I guess, you know, come down to like what
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: our ability to stand behind these changes because I don't think. Look,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: the thing is, if this is about education, like even
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: if you're not getting AK education, you're not getting a
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: good education, like you know that this is like kids
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: are falling behind in every category. So that needs to
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: happen no matter what I mean in some way.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: So yeah, well, like I said, I think that the
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: parallel between Christianity Christianity and it's just it's it's not
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: like I said, Christianity represented a revolution and how people
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: related to themselves, to their community, to their God. I
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: don't see. I see woke as a regression and I
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: don't think we have that revolution yet in how we
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: relate to these things. I don't think we have that
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: revolution in consciousness yet. So I if Woke wins, I
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: see it more as like forces of the destruction of
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: our society rather than reservation. Because the thing is that
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: it's through Christianity, Rome preserved itself I mean not necessarily
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: in the same form, but it preserved the values like
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: the essentially a lot of what Christianity did was take
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: the values of the upper class which were facilitated this
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: kind of social cooperation which made them ascendant, and it
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: popularized them. So it went everywhere and through that it
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: was almost like Rome became the spiritual the spiritual father
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: of everything else that came after it, and so it
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: less than less than falling, It transcended. So I'm not
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: sure how woke encapsulates a form of moral relationship that
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: that you know in our society, that that will go well,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: will end up be fo end up being the inspiration
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: for for future civilizations. Because wok is very, like I said, regressive,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: it is very exclusionary. It's very it's it's much more
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: ziggorot and sacrificing people and throwing them down the stairs
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: than it is opening people up to cooperation and moral development.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: So I don't know. I'm I see the parallels, and
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: I think that I think they are I think that
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: I don't think woke is the future.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Let me put it down. Yeah no, no, it's that
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: there's no uture there can.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: See whatever you want to call it.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, let's let's get to his final point here.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: Where Julian was trying to return the religious development of
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Rome to an earlier point, Trump is trying to do
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: the same with the liberal development of America. If Trump
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: does not completely remove woke doctrine from the universe, colleges
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: and schools and replace it with a patriotic education, then
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: when his time has passed, the woke elites will restore
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: themselves and cement their new moral authority as America's normative
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: and universal worldview, and in centuries to come, future historians
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: will come to look upon MAGA in the same way
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: we now look at Julian's pagan revival. History is not necessary,
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: it is contingent. The eventual victory of woke is not inevitable.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: That time is of the essence, and Trump's next administration
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: must hit the ground running and begin these reforms without hesitation.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: All right, just drives this point home.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Yeah, okay. So I'm reading the comments on
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: the vertical chat and they're saying, define woke, well, woke
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: in my all right, let me do it, because I
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: don't be talking much. Spoke in my opinion, is turning
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: away from recognizing the individual's moral autonomy, So recognizing the
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: individual's worth as a result of their moral actions and
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: constructing a hierarchy of moral worth based on past victimhood,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: which is unquestioned and unquestioned. So it's essentially just constructing
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: a hierarchy based on moral victimhood, or a hierarchy of morality.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: So everybody above the hierarchy silences everyone else below it
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: and can expect tithing from everyone else below it. And
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: at the same time, it's also decided upon by a
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: extremely calcified, like a unmovable vision of history and what
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: happened in history. So that's basically woke. It's a moral
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: hierarchy akin to a religious caste system, with a certain
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: group on top, the smallest group on top, and everybody
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: else conforming as you go down. And it's a change
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: from the approach to morality that focuses on the individual's
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: action as a a well, the individual's individual's moral worth
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: as a result of their moral actions basically, so it
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: changes that from inheritance, which is archaic. It's a throwback
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: to other forms of aristocracy, other forms of caste systems,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: other forms of extremely dogmatic, calcified ancient thinking. I mean,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: it's not even really conservative, it's ancient. It's it's something
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: basically from the Bronze age that's being dredged up by
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: I guess the subconscious. All right, let's uh. I mean,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: and you define it, Brian, because maybe you have something
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: that I haven't mentioned.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: No, that's basically it. But I'll just say it's it's
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: just it's just critical theory applied to everything. It's critical consciousness.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: That's it. It's critical consciousness. It's basically COMMI shit. So
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: people can attend like I don't know what that means. No,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: I know, but I'm just sort of like I'm removing
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: the excesses that the nuanced you've you've been You've made
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: the nuance case. I'm gonna make the un the brute
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: force un nuanced case is COMMI shit, that's all it is.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: And yeah, it's all about No, it's all about like
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: taking your postmodern perspective on your experience and using it
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: to get power through words. That's it. It's critical consciousness.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: So anyway, suck it. So So yeah, I don't think
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Carl's thing is is meant to be optimistic either, Allison.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: That's why I was confused by these two videos. I
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: think Carl's more cautionary. He's like, this is like here
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: is some you know, thing in history that happened that
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I think about when I'm looking at what's happening today,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: and maybe like this is something that we sell have
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: a chance to avoid, right or.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Something to just inform our thinking about it. We'll just
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: think about it. So this this individual named Ellen, you
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: tell us says, what about the existing caste system or
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: she if it isn't she is saying, I don't mean
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: to misgender you is saying that there is already existing
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: a caste system. Okay, this is maybe difficult for you
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: to grasp, but there are two ways of constructing a hierarchy.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: One is through an individual's actions. In other words, as
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: an individual gains skills or moral development, they increase their
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: standing in the hierarchy. The second is through birth through
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: some hereditary feature. WOKE emphasizes the second. So they construct
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: a very rigid form, like very rigid, conservative, immobile, and
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: dogmatic hierarchy based on inheritance. And you'll see that through
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: all of human history. And what does inheritance mean in
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: this circumstance victimhood from the past. So victimhood is what
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: anoints the new cast the new higher caste systems. But
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: it's still an inheritance. So it's still a throwback. It's
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: when when we lose the ability to be creative about
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: our identities, we always go back to inheritance. We always
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: go back to, well, what we're we're what we're the
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: positions that we held in the past, and let's base
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: everything on that. Because we are we've become closed in,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: we've turtled up, we are becoming closed off to the future,
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: and we are starting to just look at the past
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: to determine our identities now. And it's it's like a
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: it's a fearful kind of discussed, very like just closed
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: in response. So that's what I'm seeing. So that's that's
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: the difference between the two hierarchies. One is based on
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: a result of people's actions, the other is something that
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: they inherit the past, and it, like I said, it's
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: ossified and dogmatic. All right, let's keep going.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Well that's the end of this video. That's basically that's
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: basically yeah, yeah, that's it. I just jumped to the
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: most important bits, right, Yeah. Okay, so next we're gonna
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: do Stardusk. Okay, so this one is definitely more pointed
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: in its commentary. Stardusk is I like to call him
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: ere from Winnie the Pooh because nothing matters and everything sucks.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: So let's go ahead and listen to this one. All right,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: here we go.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: You know, it never ceases to amaze me just how
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: diluted the maniscare has become over the years. When you compare, say,
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty four with twenty twelve, it is readily apparent
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: and some of the important lessons that were learned and
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: taught back then have been completely lost in the madness
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: of the massification, casualization, and dilution of said manisphere. And
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: one of these important lessons is the relationship dynamic between
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: politicians and men.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: And we'll get into this in a bit, all right,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: I'm just pausing it there, mm hmm. So he's sort
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: of setting the stage. Go ahead, Alison, and we're gonna say.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Now, the vertical chat is being super special today. But
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: you know that it is what it is, the uh
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: when we talk about these two different hierarchies, one based
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: on merit and action and one based on heredity or vulnerability,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: if you want to say that, and you guys bring
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: up in the vertical chat, you guys bring up this
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: idea that oh you don't want to. You don't want
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: to deal with injustice. Dudes, I can turn you into
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: a bootstrap your can You are your what is it curricature,
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: your curricature of a conservat of simply by bringing up
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: men's issues, all of you so called empathic, compassionate left
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: of people on the left. The instant someone brings up
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: men's issues, you immediately start talking about how a person
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: is to blame for their own circumstance, any kind of
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: issue that they're dealing in their life is their own fault.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: You guys aren't compassionate. You don't give a shit about injustice.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: If you did, you wouldn't exclude half the human race
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: from consideration when it comes to the issues of injustice.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you care about, but it certainly
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: is an injustice and you certainly aren't identifying it. Okay,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: let's let's keep.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Going, all right. So anyway, this is this has start
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: us laying down his sort of like you know, initial things.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: So the manisphere has been tremendously diluted. I find this
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: a little bit weird though, because like, what was the
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: purpose of these guys talking about, you know, like men's
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: issues or the red pill or the gender dynamics between
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: men and women or whatever. If it wasn't to bring
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: more people into said conversation, and is that not going
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: to run the risk of, you know, some of its
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: some kind of dilution where you're gonna get people that
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: are new to this thing and they're bringing some of
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: their old beliefs with them, or maybe they have a
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: different history and different perspectives and it's not quite lining
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: up with what you want. I mean, like when I
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: hear dilution, I don't know. I just wonder if this
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: isn't like the perfect being the enemy of the good,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: because I think that the fact that the conversation has
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: only reached more and more and more and more people. Yeah,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, some of them get it wrong or whatever,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: but I don't think it's bad. I think that at
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, you know, whatever is true
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: is going to like rise to the top hopefully. But anyway,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: all right, so let's jump ahead to did men win? Okay,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: so thirty.
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: Six people unfortunately in the manosphere who are saying things
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: akin to we won, which is.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Basically to say that with the election of.
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: Dump men have somehow won, They've beaten the odds, and
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: they have made progress in some inscrutable, abstract manner which
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: I personally can't grasp or understand whatsoever these people exist.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: There are many of them, and I don't think they're being
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: malicious or manipulative. I think a lot of these people
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: are just delusional. The idea that any elected politician, and
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: specifically the president, will have a major impact on your
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: individual life and the quality of said life is a
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: bit absurd.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, So go ahead, Alison, if you want to say something, well.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: I sort of agree with you. I mean, if something
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: is going to expand, it's by definition is going to
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: get watered down.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm I'm I'm again reading the vertical chat.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: I know, I'm looking at the cancer.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: You didn't hear the video clip?
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: No I did, Okay, I did hear the video clip.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: I'm also like dealing with some stuff in the background
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: because I'm not sure what's going on with the dog.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: He seems a bit prempt, so so I'm a little
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: distracted there too. But let's let's continue.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Well, no, let's back up that I want well, I
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: want to respond to this, Okay. So he says the
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: idea that any politician is going to do anything for
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: you as men is absurd. All right, let's back up
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: just real quick question. Is Trump a politician? I know
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: he ran for president, but that's not the question I'm asking.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Is he a politician like so many have been in
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: the past, or is there something could it be that
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: there's something unique about this person? Also, when men voted
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: and they and they got the president wanted, does this
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: mean that men think that there is no more work
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: to be done and everything is good now and now
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: we're gonna have sunshine rainbows Or did they just dodge
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: a massive bullet that women seemed like primed to put
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: into place and they managed to avoid it, and they're
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: they're sighing relief and they're basically preparing now to roll
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: up their sleeves and hopefully, you know, like do something
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: positive unobstructed by the well essentially the woke feminist left.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, like, is that not a victory that I'm
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: serious question? Like, I'm not saying everything is good and
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: when we have utopia, Literally nobody's saying that. No man
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: says that if I just vote everything will be better.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: No man says that almost almost no men. I'll say that.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: I think I want to just finish listening to every buddy,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: like both both sides, like uh, Stargon and Stardusk. And
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: again you were saying that you don't think they disagree
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: that much, and then then I'll give you all thought.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I mean, the only thing I think
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: that they disagree on is that Stargon thinks that this
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: is going to be significant and Stardust thinks that nothing
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: is significant. So that's the only difference that I see.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: But I'll play more of this.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: If you're a normal person, it's probably negligible to non existent.
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: And more specifically, if you're a normal guy, an average guy,
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: or a blow average guy, it's going to be absolutely
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: irrelevant who sits in office by and Marge and this
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: idea that Drumph is somehow your guy because you're a man.
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: You need to break this down. So way back in
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: the day, when the late Great Barbarossa was still active
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: on YouTube, he used to have a lot of discussions, debates, arguments,
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: if you will, with people that were pushing the idea
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: that the Publican Party was the savior party of men
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: in the United States. And I think he always made
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: the point. I think he's right about this that's simply
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: not true. What happens here is that people conflate the
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: notion that men in the majority vote Republican airgo. Republicans
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: are for men, so to speak, they try to help men. No,
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: they try to make men's lives better.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think that's true. But I'm sorry, I'm.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: I'm just what do you not think is true about that?
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: I don't think that Republicans are necessary. I don't think that.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: I don't think that Republicans have men's best interests in mind.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: I think that they want to preserve the system that
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: men make, but I don't think they've made the connection
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: between preserving men in order to preserve the system. I
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: still think they have this mentality of extraction and shaming. Now, Like,
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, you can argue with that as if you want.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm just trying.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: To No, I'm okay, No, I'm not arguing against that.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: I think historically the Republican Party was only slightly more
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: interested in men because they understood men's utility to country.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: But I don't think See, this is the thing that
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: people keep getting wrong. Trump is not a Republican. He
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: ran as one, but he isn't one, he's not a
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Democrat either. So like this this party this party affiliation
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: thing that people do where they're like, well, the Republicans
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: are just as bad. I'm just like, yeah, most of
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: the yes, yes, but that's why we voted for this guy.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: So like that, That's what I'm saying is is that
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: he was He was a Democrat most of his life.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: He ran as a Republican in twenty sixteen, not because
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: his values changed, but because he knew that he could
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: get the nomination, because he could crush the Republicans on
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: the debate stage, and he did. In fact, when Trump
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: got into office in twenty sixteen, the Republican Party as
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: it was known was gone. I mean, there are still rhinos.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that doesn't exist, okay, but as it was,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: it's over. He destroyed them. He changed it, He changed
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: the voters changed it on a dime there, Okay. People
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: who typically were voting for the sort of policies they wanted,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: they voted for this guy because he was going to
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: give it to them. And we did have four years
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: of no new wars. I mean, at the very least
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: that is worth considering, is it? Is it a Republican
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: thing to not start new wars, because that's the first
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: I've ever heard of it. I mean, they were the
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: party of war for like for a long long time,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe excluding like I don't know, the Reagan
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: years where he was trying to like keep us from
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: you know, getting that atomic clock to zero or whatever.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: So this this is the thing. Like people keep saying
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Trump is a Republican, he is not. He is destroyed.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Republican Party is gone, dude. There's an r that floats
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: where it was, but it's not the same place anymore.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: And now the Democrat Party is also gone because it
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: has also been destroyed. So and this is good, guys,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: This is a good thing because now we can get
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: like real people with real ideas coming to the foe
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: and whatever letter next to their name doesn't matter. So
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: like the thing is that is that stardust. And he
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: doesn't even live in America, by the way, he lives
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: in Germany. He doesn't. He just sees like, you know,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Republican men bad Trump the same. It's like no. And
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: he goes into a little bit more in his video
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: because he talks about how well I can I can
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: play that part, but that that's what I think. I
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: think that we're talking about this all wrong because he's this,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: this is not I'm sorry, but we already had four
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: years of Trump and we were okay, minus the the
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: whole you know, well scandemic thing, which was out of
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: outside of everyone's control except for you know, doctor Fauci
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: and the folks over at Wuhan. But whatever.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: Okay. What I mean by that is, yes, and I
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: do recognize that there's a difference here, but I think
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: that and this isn't This isn't something that I would
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: necessarily expect from people who are currently in the public eye.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: I don't think the connection has made has yet been made,
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: between the health of the system and recognizing the issues
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: of men. Right there, There isn't There isn't a strong
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: connection there. It's not just that we need to make
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: sure that the systems that we rely on, you know,
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: the economy, that kind of stuff, actually work. It's that
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: we have to recognize that men are the majority of
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: who is making these systems work, the infrastructure, the economy.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: They are the ones who are making everything run, and
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: if we don't take care of their issues and recognize
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: the importance of their point of view and their particular
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: virtues which are meritocratic, which are based on seeing the
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: results of your actions and judging you based on them.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Then we are going to lose. Inevitably, we are going
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: to lose the system that we all rely on. So
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know if the connection is there between recognizing
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: men's issues and maintaining and not just maintaining, but actually
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: improving on the system that we have, the systems that
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: we have and in any party, like, I don't see
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: it it's there, but you know, like, at the same
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: time as I think that that idea is very revolutionary,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: the idea that caring about men actually results in a
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: better society is revolutionary, I think yeah. And I wouldn't
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: necessarily expect it to be in the mainstream and or
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: where wherever you know, the Trump administration is. I wouldn't
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: expect it to be there because it is revolutionary. It
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: is something that's held on by a small group of
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: people who are saying, no, you got to attend to
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: men's issues. You have to attend to the problems that
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: men face. You know, otherwise we aren't actually making fixes.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: We are keeping the demands on the already existent and
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: breaking down system lower. You know, we're saying, Okay, well,
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: this is ridiculous to do to it. You know, we
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: can't add this kind of stress to it, and that
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: may increase the length of time that it runs. But
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: you know, it's it's still not fixing it. It's not
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: improving it it and it certainly isn't making it into
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: something completely new that would take us into the future.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: Do you get what I'm saying. But I wouldn't expect
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: that from Yeah, you know what I.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Mean, They're they're okay. I would say that let's talk
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: about what the role of the state is in terms
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: of addressing men's issues. I think that primarily it's getting
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: out of the way of men, and I think that's
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: the primary thing. And I think that in a way
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: he knows that. But let's look at what he did
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: do when he was in office. I spoke to Rvis
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: Owens and several guys in the military that actually were
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: doing better, even though like the Dear Colleague letter didn't
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: necessarily apply to people in the military. His reversal. Trump's
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: reversal of the Dear Colleague letter in twenty sixteen via
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Betsy de Vos was a massive step in the right direction,
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: and it is one place where the state can actually,
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: like I would see as a viable role to play.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: I don't want, like the state giving stuff to men
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: for free, and men don't want that either. In fact,
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: I think that if Trump made a statement or his
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: tration made a statement saying, oh, we're gonna like create
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: a I don't know, like a what was it, like,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: a like a ministry for men. Like let's say, I
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: don't think men would want that. I don't think they do.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: Men are not like women. They don't want handouts.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: They don't want that because I don't have we have
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: justin Trotier creating these services.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: But that's yes, But but that's not the same as
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: a ministry. I think that if they like, for example,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: if maybe the States shouldn't be funding shelters in general,
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: but if they are, they should be funding shelters for
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: men and women. But they don't do that. Now there's
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: literally one shelter in the United States for men and
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: all the other ones are for women. And so but
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know that the states should be doing that.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I don't know if that's the
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: role of the state. I think that if it were
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: to protect men's due process, do something about family courts
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: essentially disincentivize, you know, like breaking up the family right
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: so that men and women can independently build their own way,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: build their own family. So essentially, and I remember when
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: we had that guy Tea on back in the day
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: and he said, one of the things I like about
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: you guys is that, because he's like a big libertarian guy,
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: is that you don't advocate for the state to get
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: involved in the same way that feminists do. You advocate
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: for the state to get out of people's lives, because
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: that's generally what I think men want. And there's like
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: other things too, Like I said about the Dear Colleague letter,
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: it protects veterans, It protects soldiers from being at least
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: giving them due process. Right now, there's like kangaroo courts
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: and guys just get dishonored, be discharged. They don't even
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: investigate because they don't want to deal with, you know,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: whatever the media firestorm might be or any of the
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: red tape or fallout from that. So they just like
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: quietly get rid of these guys. And this is something
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: that I think the state like should be involved with
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: because it does involve the federal government at the level
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: of the military right and of them. Also, when Trump
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: said he was going to not give grants to universities
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: that practice essentially progressive practices, like you know, this whole
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: thing with what is it, you know, not essentially affirmative
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: action for women or minorities, He's like, we're just gonna
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: lay it as much as the state can do, because
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: it's obviously it can't do everything, but to the to
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: the degree that it can, I think leveling the play
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: playing field there by saying well, we're not gonna give
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: grants out to people just because of their you know,
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: skin color or their plumbing. We're just gonna do it
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: based on merit. If anything, I think that that those
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: are wins for men, because whenever you introduce progressivism into
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: something as a concept you are taking men are always
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: the ones that lose, always, and it doesn't matter what
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: race they are either. I mean, there's a reason why.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, So this, all of this, all of this
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: is downstream of the narrative that men oppress women, all
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: of it, all of it, all this toxic waste was
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: dumped into our water supply, and all of the mutations
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: are downstream of that toxic waste. If as a society
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: we actually considered how men are affected by the things
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: are that are demanded of them in order to construct, maintain,
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: et cetera society, we would have nipped that in the
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: bud before it became this gigantic cancer that's that's spread everywhere.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Right If we if we actually recognized how things affect
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: men and the harms that men go through in order
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: to maintain society throughout history and currently, we would never
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: have agreed that women are oppressed, and all of the
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: the downstream effects of that cancer, which incidentally has never
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: been proven, would be gone. We wouldn't be dealing with it.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: We wouldn't be dealing with DEI, we wouldn't be dealing
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: with woke in the classrooms. We wouldn't be dealing with
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: the rest of this crap like supercharged victim politics. We
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be dealing with it because it would have been
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: stopped at the source.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, it's not just that men need help
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: from the government, because it would be nice to actually
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: get recognition for men who do need help, But it's
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: also that the government wouldn't have It's what is that
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: song you know, or it doesn't matter. It wouldn't be
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: super charged, it wouldn't have fed on the fertilizer of
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: this narrative, and it wouldn't have constructed all of these
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: problems chasing this particular identity and this particular moral goal.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying. If we recognize men's issues,
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: we wouldn't be dealing with this crap in the first place.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: There's no way to avoid that conclusion. Everything that we
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Trump has to fix is downstream of that original problem,
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: which is we don't recognize how things affect ment. We
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: don't recognize the sacrifices men make for society. We don't say, hey,
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: maybe we should consider how much we expect from men
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: and how little we give them. If we did that,
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: we wouldn't be here dealing with DEI, dealing with an
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: insane immigration policy, dealing with this and this collapsing of
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: the economy, right dealing with all of this other crap,
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: is what I'm saying. This would have stopped right there,
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: right then we'd probably be in offhaeity by now.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean, I don't deny that. I'm just saying,
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: like most people, they don't they're not aware of all
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: that they're they're living under the feminist paradigm, so they're
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: accepting these truths. That goes for most almost everybody. So
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: it's not like it's hard to get right to that's
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: like almost the last step, even though it would be
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: a more effective first step. But it's really hard to
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: convince people of that. You just have to look at
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: the vertical chat to see what I'm talking about. So, uh,
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: the fact that you know, if if, if, if Trump
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: does things from an unun let's say, unisex perspective, like
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: whatever he's changing, it will in fact benefit men more
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: than women, it will like so so it's okay, like
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: he doesn't have to say I'm doing this for men
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: that he doesn't have to say that. All he has
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: to do is say, you know what, these things seem
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: really unfair. I'm going to change this. And and that
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: is men are just going to be impacted by it.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: So you know, bring that big for example, Okay, the tariffs.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: I don't love people like to bring up the tariffs.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: The tariffs. If you've ever read his book, Are of
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: the Deal, tariffs is not is it's a bargaining tool.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: It is like a you know, like, so I might
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: do this thing if you don't work with me. Okay,
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: and we we as the Americans, already have to deal
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: with terarists from China and Canada and other countries. But
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: if he uses that as a tool, what it is
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: supposed to do is cause those other countries to say, Okay,
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: maybe we'll bring some you know, some manufacturing to your country,
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: which does what it brings jobs to our country and
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: who works those jobs? Men like that. That's what I'm saying,
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: Like that it's gonna have a downstream effect by just
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: making sensible alterations so that we can you know, like
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: essentially get like moving, so that our country does more
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: than just produce culture, which you know, if you look
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: at what Hollywood's been up too lately, we are not
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: even doing that anymore.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: Nobody wants it.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: No, no, it's trash. Well they're all moving to England,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: So get ready, BBC, you're about to see a big
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: sea change there. But you're all ready for it. But anyway,
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying is is that it doesn't have to
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: be like aimed right at men. It could just be like, yeah,
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna, well, we're gonna we're gonna go back to drilling.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: You know that in West Virginia right here, which is
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: right next to where I'm at, there are tons of coals,
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: coal mines that are not being used because of the
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: ridiculous restrictions. And there are West Virginians, mostly men, like
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: overwhelmingly men that have no work and they're just sort
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: of like, you know, getting high on fentanyl and and
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: uh and whatever it is that you know, you guys
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: do these days. But they don't best because they don't
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: have a purpose. So if we bring that back, if
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: they're drilling and they're building cars and they're you know,
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: engaging in industry, men are gonna have jobs and they're
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: gonna what They're gonna probably be more likely to attract
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: women and like start families and you know, like I'm
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: I look, I'm not saying it's utopia. I'm saying, well,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: it doesn't have Yeah, go ahead, all.
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: Right, are we done with this particular video?
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can jump to the next clip. No, no, no,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: does a jumped to the next clip. There's a bit
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: more of this one. I think he No, let's jump
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: up to the five to eleven right here.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: One thing, it's just silly, No politician, especially, no president
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: is for you at the individual level, and all presidents,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: including Dolf will gladly if you're young enough, send you
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: to your death in some dumb hole in the Third world.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: If need be, they will.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: Hey, did you guys know that Trump is pro war? Now?
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: Do you know that? Like this is I don't know
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: if Sartus is just not like tuned in literally the
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: only president that didn't start in any new wars and
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: tried he like walked into the North Korea demilitarized Zone,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: hung out with Kim Jong un. He literally like when
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: when he left and Joe Biden came in putin immediately invaded.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: He wasn't gonna do that before, but he did then. Like,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: and what's happening now? Not under this guy? What's happening now?
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: How many Like what age are they drafting Ukrainians to
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: fight the Russians in a war they can't win? Like
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: at what age? Who is it that said, oh, we
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: were gonna launch a missile into Russia and and you know,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: like Zelensky did it under the permission of Biden and
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: kier Starmer by the way.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: Of the UK Okay, okay, just yeah, yeah, YouTube is
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: not Okay, well, I'm just saying very valid conversation.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: But YouTube, the pro war thing, the Trump is pro
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: war thing is absolutely.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is there's no track record.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: Bid, there is no track record for that.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: I will definitely push back on that. Now, the tariffs thing,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: I have, I have thoughts, But the pro war thing, yeah,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: that's bullshit. That is absolutely bullshit. All right, Okay, so
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: let's hear a bit more.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's finish this guy.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: Do this. They will not shed a tear. They won't
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: even note your existence as they send you to your annihilation. Now,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: I do get some aspects of this worship reverence of
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: trumph because you could say we won, as in the
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: people who voted for him. One, I don't vote by
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: sticking it to the Democrats, sticking it to the progressive left,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: sticking it to the people that have been so annoying
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: for the past couple of years. In this sense, I
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: would say, sure, you might.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, hold on second, they weren't just annoying and it
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: wasn't just the past couple of years. Like it's like, like,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: let me ask you this, okay, because I know he's
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: a migdow Right. Ultimately, mikdaw don't actually care if anything
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: gets fixed because they're gone. They've checked out, and that's fine.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: That's your choice. You can do that if you want to.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: But there's a lot of men who, despite your best advice,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: still want to have children, get married, and work a
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: regular job and be able to afford shit. When you
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: say the woke are annoying, you're basically like you're you're
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: really like, let's say, understating what the seriousness of it is.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: Entire industries have collapsed because wokeness came in with unions
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: and they got qualified men fired from their jobs and
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: replace them with unqualified women. That's literally what DEI is.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: And you're saying, well, I get that you're annoyed with it,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: and it's almost like you don't really want these things
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: to be fixed. You don't really want because then you
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: don't have anything to make videos about. I don't know, like,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: I just don't like the framing of this. It's very like, oh,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: why are you so upset? Why don't you just go
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: live in a cave like I'm doing? But most men
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: don't want to do that.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, I think I can succinctly say the diff what
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: woke is. It's replacing a hierarchy based on merit with
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: a hierarchy based on need, except the need is defined
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: by the elites.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: Is that fair?
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah? There you go.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's a good way to put it. I'll stick
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: with critical consciousness, but make them do some of the homework.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: The reason why I want to do it that way
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: is because I like to see things in terms of systems,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: I guess, and so I can sort of explain why
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: that doesn't work because the system is made out of merit,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: not need. Yeah, needs are made out of needs.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, a little bit more. We're almost done here.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: I could cite that as a kind of win because
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: he's obviously pissing off a lot of people, and a
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: lot of people who voted for Trump aren't fans of
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: the progressive left, So yeah, that makes sense. So you've
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: upset a bunch of people, and there's a certain sense
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: of schadenfreud that emerges from that. I get that. I'm human.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: I experienced that sometimes. But you always have to put
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: these things in perspective. And ultimately, if you want to
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: talk about men and male issues, the election of Trump
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: is completely irrelevant to that. There's no bearing on whatsoever.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: What's more, even though initially the election of Tom is
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: sticking it to the progress, so it is I'm sticking it
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: to the laugh and it might make for some good
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: memes and people might get some good feelings and good
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: kicks and shot and flight out of it. Ultimately it's
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: possible that that aspect you might backfire because look, it's
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: not like these people are going to relent because Trump
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: is in office, no fact and all likely.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: No, He's right, they're not going to relent. They're going
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: to keep going.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we know that, but that's not This is.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: One one thing I wanted to say. Christianity wasn't the
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: only religion in the going in in Rome. They also
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: had the cult of Cyble, which I think actually are
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: sybyl that I think actually more appropriates woke. But so,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, I just want to point that out too,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: like there was other things going on religiously in Rome
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: besides Christianity and paganism or the Roman paganism, which is
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: pretty yeah, it was, it was a it was a
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: pretty uh. I would say, conservatives institution can compared to
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: what pagans are today. But let's let's let's keep going.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: Let's finish this off. It was just a thought that
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: I had that I wanted to point out.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's okay, there's only a little left.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: So forlihood, they're gonna double down and dig in their
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: heels even more. And you can already to see it
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: happening on social media. So if anything, the election of
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: Trump is.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but we know that, So what, like is it
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: are we supposed to not like consider that this is
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: in fact a culture war, and it's not even really
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: a culture war, because a culture war suggests that there
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: are two sides and they're pushing back and forth against
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: each other. It's really just like a bully that has
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: finally had someone push back. That's it. That's that we're
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: the people who have finally pushed back on the bullies.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: And they've been doing this for a long time and
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: for a lot of this time, and like I'm talking
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: decades and decades, and for a lot of this time,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: most people are just like, well, let's let's let them
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: have that. Let's let's let them have that. It's it's okay,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: it's not a big deal, you know, And now there
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: is were realizing that, oh, look, it's never enough, it's
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: never enough, and they're trying to destroy us and they're
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: tearing everything down.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a hierarchy based on needs, and needs never
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: are never ending.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: It's desires even I mean like like do you need
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: to be celebrated every June for thirty days? No, it's
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: not even needs, it's desire. It's human desire, which is bottomless.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: You know. It's like, oh, I want you to I
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: want you to agree with me being four hundred pounds
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: and with heart disease, because you know, all bodies are equal.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: I want you to agree with me, you know whatever,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: like intruding on your space because like we're we're allowed.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: Where are you like illiberal? What are you some kind
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: of conservative? And so you end up like having to
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: you concede, You concede, and you realize there there's never
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: an end to it. So yeah, you're gonna push back
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: at some point, But that just means we're starting the fight.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: It doesn't mean like that, you know, like, well we
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: got it, we're done. Like this is like it's kind
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: of a like I said, he's very I don't know,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: he's like he thinks everybody else is stupid, Like we
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: don't know that if we push back on the woke
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: that they're gonna they're gonna double down. Yeah. One of
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: the first laws of sjw's, which I've known for ten years,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: is that they always double down, always because they don't
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: know any other way. All they know is that like,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: no matter how you go to Twitter and you start
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: arguing with a feminist, no matter how good your argument is,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: they don't care because they're not interested in logic. They're
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: not they're interested in winning.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: All right, So, uh, tech tech Support says needs are
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: things that keep you alive? Well, who who grants you
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: your needs? And where did that? Where? Where does their
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: ability to grant you what you need come from? Have
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: you ever considered that, Like, you know, you might have
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: a need, but who is going to fulfill that need?
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: If it's not you, what right do you have to
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: compel someone else to f f fill your needs? Because
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: there have been plenty of systems throughout history with one
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: group compelling another group to fulfill their needs that are
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: very unfair if you think about it. All right, let's
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: uh yeah, so are we doing this whole thing?
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: Like no, no, no, it's almost over ten seconds. Okay, I
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: think he's just sort of like nailing the point home.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: But let's let's hear it out.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: He's likely to accelerate, but not in the so called
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 4: culture war. And the people that are already on oppositional
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: sides of the aisle at cultural war with each other,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: so to speak, they're going to become that much more
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 4: inimical to each other, all right.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: I think basically this.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: Is where I want to talk about what I was
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: talking about, how the Sargon's point about the Roman Empire
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: and the transition from the republic to the empire and
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: the religions that sort of spawned out of that. I
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: don't think woke relates to Christianity. I think woke is
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: the cult of the Emperor. To be honest, I think
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: it's better approximation is the cult of the emperor, the
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: idea that you worshiped the emperor as a god. That's
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: closer to the energy or the nature of woke, except
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: that you replace the emperor with the state or with
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: the deep state, and with supposedly its abilities to continuously
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: fulfill your needs, which incidentally, where does the state get
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: that ability to fulfill your needs from the meritocracy that
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: you hate? So good luck with with a future with
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: that And also if it's not getting it from the meritocracy,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: if it's not getting it from the American economy, it's
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: appropriating it from other cultures. So when you when you
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: when you when you say, oh we can, we can
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: continue to just do what we're doing. You are taking
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: from other cultures around the world in order to do that.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: And I'll get into that a bit later when we
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: talk about tariffs. But let's talk about this.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: Well that's it. There's no more to the video.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: So okay, well no, then then I'll go into the
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: different kinds of kind of religious or philosophical, the competing philosophy.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: But the problem with the cult of the Emperor is
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: that it sort of nullified the moral development and the
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: the higher notchy the hierarchy based on merit in the
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: Roman emperor empire or the Roman Republic, which is what
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: gave it its vitality. So all of that had to go somewhere,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: and I think it went into the philosophy of Christianity.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: So the self rather than developing yourself in the state,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: you develop yourself in the eyes of God, right, So
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: that had to go somewhere, and that's where it went.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: So the direct parallel in my opinion if you want
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: to make a parallel to the Roman Empire with Woke
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: is not Christianity. It's actually the cult of the Emperor.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: And what we need is that we have all of
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: this stuff, all of this ways of viewing ourselves that
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: are being denied by Woke, and we need a new
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: neo Christianity to sort of express them.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: Does that I'm sorry, I know what you're saying. No,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: I got it.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: So we don't have that yet. And and is Woke
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: is very much the cult of the Emperor, because not
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: only are they incredibly hierarchical based on very dogmatic factors,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: every single one of their solutions is we'll just take
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: it from other people. Oh oh, we have a problem.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: The US has a problem. Us can't make its own stuff. Well,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: we'll just take it from other cultures. We'll just do
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: some more colonialism. That's that's the way we're going to
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: fix all of our fricking problems. We'll just steal it
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: from others. That's the Woke opinion. You know, if if
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: people aren't buying stuff, we'll just force them. You know,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: we don't have enough money, we'll debase it. It's the culture.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: It's literally all the ship. That happens when you get
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: an autocrat in power. It's like, yeah, we'll just solve
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: our problems by poaching from other cultures. They can't stop us.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: That's the woke attitude. It's it's umble. It's like it's
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: like late stage colonialism, late stage Bronze age colonialism, and
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: they think it's so progressive. I'm like, no, that's that's
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: been done a lot. Every time an empire starts to
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: sit on its ass and say I don't need to
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: do anything, I just need to huff my own farts,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: it starts saying, well, all my problems, I'll just steal
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: from other people. That's the woke mentality towards international relations anyway. So, uh,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: the other let's so we're done with.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: This this sparticular that's those are their arguments.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, So okay, so.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: No supers or anything.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, guys, send us the super chow. We're feeling really
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: lonely with the vertical chat here. Uh feed the badger
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: dot com slash just the tip somebody in the horizontal chat,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: the same people in the horizontal chat. Someone send us
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: to superchower or a super chat. Dilute the sheer Buttter
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: energy of the vertical chat. Well, I did want to
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: talk about tariffs because I actually did think about this
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: really really quite a bit the the and I think
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: it comes back to the issue of men's well, men's
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: issues because everything really does, everything does. The problem is,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: and I know the logic behind the tariffs is to
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: bring production back to the States.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: But it's a bargaining tool. It's like it's like to
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: essentially have some leverage. That's what it's about. He may
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: not and he may not have to do it, but
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: we if we don't use it as leverage. I mean,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: like I said, China does it to us. We're paying
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: for their shit, so why you know, but go ahead.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well they actually would be the other way. They
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: would be paying or we're paying whatever to access their market,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: but they don't really have as much of a market
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: to gatekeep. But what I was going to say about
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: the tariff's situation is the problem and it does come
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: back to men's issues. And it also comes back to
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: the stuff that Stardusk said. And maybe this will be upsetting,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: but there are men I know, I've heard their stories
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: who no longer work. They have quit because there's no
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: they know that it's unlikely that they're going to have
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: a partner, it's unlikely they're going to have a family,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: it's unlikely they're going to have a home. So they're
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: just what's in it for them. And that doesn't fix that,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: like increasing the tariffs, bringing jobs home doesn't fix the
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: fact that even with these jobs, a lot of guys
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: don't think that they're going to be able to have
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: a partner, you know, so, And I mean, I've seen
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: guys quit.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: Jobs that already the state can't address that. Women have
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: to address that, the state can't address that. Okay, all right,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying like that's like, that's like blaming Trump
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: for not assigning every man. He can't do that. I know,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: I know you're not saying that, but I'm saying that's.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: I'm saying that blaming There's a difference between blaming Trump
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: for something and saying that this is not something he
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: can fix, all right, And I think that's exactly what
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: you just said.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: The problem with what I'm seeing is I've seen men
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: leave jobs that that they earn like a half to
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: twice as much as average because they do not feel
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: like they're going to end up with a partner at
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, so you can bring these
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: jobs back. But until men feel like there's a system
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: in place where taking these jobs is going to has
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: a reasonable probability of ending with a family, you know,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: a wife and a family and something to work towards,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: you're gonna you may have a very hard time convinced
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: like making this work, even with the tariffs bringing jobs back.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: And again, that is something that is a problem with woke.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: It's one hundred percent a problem with these narratives that
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: men oppress women. All of the narratives that men are
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: poor choices when it comes to relationships contribute to this
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: problem because it makes well, it makes women not choose men,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: even though a man is the single biggest thing that
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: a woman can choose to improve her life period, to
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: ensure her future happiness or her happiness period. Right, Okay,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: so that's one problem. Are the men going to take
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: these jobs? I know there's some who will, but there's
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: a huge proportion who are completely demotivated from working. And
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: I think Stardusk is speaking to that, or thinking Ape
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: is speaking to that, And I was thinking very carefully
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: about this, and again, this is a problem that can't
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: that Trump can't solve because he can't assign men girlfriends.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: You know, this is a problem that has to be
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: solved bottom up, unless I don't know, conservative women start
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: marrying two men. But you know, it has to be
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: solved bottom up. And it also it has to be
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: solved by recognizing the kind of messaging we are having
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: around men and shifting that and also getting men to
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  Speaker 2: recognize their own value and the fact that advocacy for
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: men is advocacy for the system, right. And the other
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  Speaker 2: thing with the tariffs is and I was thinking about
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  Speaker 2: why you would do this? Now there are real If
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  Speaker 2: you put the tariffs on, you bring the stuff back,
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  Speaker 2: or you make things more or expensive. You may put
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  Speaker 2: women in a position where they start to reconsider having
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  Speaker 2: a partner in order to pay for the standard of living.
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  Speaker 2: But then what, yeah, they're pre junk, they're pre trash.
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  Speaker 2: But then you have the situation where you know there's resentment,
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  Speaker 2: or maybe resentment or the family formation isn't based on
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  Speaker 2: something that's really an emotional desire, it's just material, which
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  Speaker 2: maybe that's the way it has to be. Or alternatively,
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  Speaker 2: he's making it everything so painful that he is forcing
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  Speaker 2: people to reevaluate their priorities, right. And the other thing,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: the other thing that can that I was considering is
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  Speaker 2: that this might actually make the elites or the the
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  Speaker 2: woke who are pushing this toxin into the environment realize
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: that they have a shared destiny with what I call
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  Speaker 2: the breeding colony, so an words, they they actually rely
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  Speaker 2: on the formation of families to continue to have a
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  Speaker 2: decent standard of living, which will maybe get them to
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  Speaker 2: reconsider their approach in all of this, like if we,
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  Speaker 2: if we, if he takes away the US is power
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  Speaker 2: to actually just appropriate because this is this is what's
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  Speaker 2: happening is as the world currency, you are bringing in
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  Speaker 2: very cheap goods. If he takes that away, that may
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  Speaker 2: force the people who are like like that system, they
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: like that system, to reconsider and consider that they have
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  Speaker 2: a shared destiny with us, with a productive us, which
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: means they have to look at how to get people
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: productive again, which means we have to look at the
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  Speaker 2: relationship between men and women because that is the foundation
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  Speaker 2: of a society's productivity. And uh yeah, that's uh, that's
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  Speaker 2: that was what I was thinking. That was that's my
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  Speaker 2: analysis of the tariffs. I hope I haven't insulted people
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  Speaker 2: too much.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's it's fine. I mean I think that there
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: must be some Unfortunately, we've been putting off the pain
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: of all of this printing of money and all of
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: these other things for a long time, and it's it's
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: we're gonna have to feel it at some point, so
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: it's better we do so sooner, in the short term,
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  Speaker 1: rather than later. I'm reminded of Javier Millier, the president
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  Speaker 1: of Argentina. Argentina was in awful shape, and he said,
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  Speaker 1: we gotta like cut everything that is not an absolute
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: necessity in order to get on track. And he even
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: said to the people, it's gonna hurt for a while,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: but it's gonna be worth it in the long run.
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  Speaker 1: And from what I understand, Argentina is beginning to bounce
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: back already. So if they could do it, and they
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: were in worse shape than us, then I think we
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: can too. We just have to be ready to endure
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: some you know, some hard times. I mean, it's already
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: a hard time now, Like eggs are expensive and all that,
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  Speaker 1: but it's the only way, so like it's either now
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: or later, and.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah. Like the thing is that if
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: if the US doesn't get its productivity back up, if
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: at any point in time they lose world reserve status,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: you're gonna have it's gonna be tsunami. Your your economy
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: is gonna be wiped off the met instantaneously. So I mean,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: it's like you can keep kicking the can down the road,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: but that can is turning into a nuclear bomb. Okay,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that's I mean, that's I think that's where
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: Stargust is coming from. And he's right. There has to
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: be fundamental changes bottom up in the relationship between the
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: sexes and how we look at it. And it starts
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: with getting rid of this bullshit about men oppressing women
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: now or anywhere in the history, or even in Afghanistan.
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  Speaker 2: Do you want to know why I say men don't
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: oppress women in Afghanistan because if women became men tomorrow
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  Speaker 2: in Afghanistan, they would be dying three to five times more.
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  Speaker 2: That's the base level of Maslow's hierarchy of needs. And
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  Speaker 2: nowhere in human history are men more likely to have
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: that base level of Maslow's hierarchy of needs dealt with
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: more than women. All right, So right at the base,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: women are better off if a society right at the
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: base is making women better off. Don't give me this
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: bullshit about oppression. Right, There's no, there's no there's no
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: society in which the slaves are less likely to die
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: than their masters. Sorry, not true. Doesn't happen unless the
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: masters are themselves in a form of slave. Okay, all right,
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: So anyway, that's that. Those are my thoughts on all
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: of this. I'll throw it back to you.
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  Speaker 1: Well, no, I'm just saying, you know, like I think
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  Speaker 1: that start US is making assumptions about the people who
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: voted for Trump that I think are unfair to them.
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  Speaker 1: I think that men in particular who voted this way
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: did not vote this way like they were rubbing the
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: Genies lamp and hoping to make the three wishes that
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: would make everything better. I think that they were just
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: being pragmatic and practical, and they saw real problems and
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: they did not allow and this is very important, they
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: did not allow women to shame them out of their vote.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: And so they stepped up, especially Latinos, You're welcome, and
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: they got in there, they and they did their thing,
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: and in a way, there is a vibe shift that
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: is and I remember I brought this to you before,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: like this guy, this young guy wrote this great little
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: piece called the Vibe Shift. I think this is it manifests,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: and in a way, it is a bottom up thing
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: when men get together and the women who support them,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: and they say, we're all gonna do this right. We're
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: not gonna let these people shame us anymore. We're not
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: gonna let this woke ideology control our actions and make
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: us feel guilty for being what we are. We're just
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: going to just go out there and stay low, stay quiet,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: and just do our thing. In particular, people who live
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: in Middle America, you know, the people who basically provide
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: you with all your food and your and all of
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: your lifestyle needs. That the people who live in the
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: urban monoculture and get to enjoy. So I think that
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: in a way, that is what it is, and I
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: think that it is something to be happy about. It
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean that we're done, obviously, but I don't think
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: anyone thinks that. So that's all. I just think that,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: you know, take the w guys. It's okay, there's it's
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: it's just take the w. Oh. Yeah.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: I want to address because the vertical chat is chewing
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: over my statement that women are in Afghanistan?
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: Well that do they not believe that? Wow? Crazy?
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: There was a hierarchy of needs right at the very
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: base is survival. Women survive more in that culture. The
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: very base is survival. Women survive more in that culture.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: That's how do you argue with that? Everything you're pointing
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: out is up above that in Maslow's hierarchy of needs?
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: You really think that men's roles in that country aren't restricted.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: They're expected to go out to war, they're expected to
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: protect and provide their female family members, which directly leads
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: to their lower rate of survival. You can cut, you
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: can say all kinds of things about the theocracy there,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: but if it's resulting in more women surviving than men,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: how can you say that it's anti women? How many
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: men have to die before you recognize that their deaths
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: matter in your equation of who has it worse? All right?
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's that's that's all I have to say. I mean, Jesus,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: are you ever going to consider the then sacrifice like
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: what men have to sacrifice in order to ensure women's
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: survival and your equation on who has it worse? And
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: I don't even care about who has it worse. I'm
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: tired of the argument who has it worse? In a theocracy,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: everyone has it pretty bam bad, especially a theocracy that's
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: subject to constant invasions by outside powers. All Right, let's uh,
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: I think I think I've blown their mind quite a bit.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: And I think you have to go pick up lindsay.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we gotta we gotta cook our turkey and get our.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: I've lived in the Middle East, you dumbasses.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: All Right, It's okay, It's okay. They get their news
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: from CNN. Allison, all right, all right, uh so let's
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: let's rap it up there and the tolerant left everybody, Yeah, God,
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: in the chat.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: So much abuse, like abusing Yeah, like calling me trans
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: like it's a bad thing. The Tower Left. I uh okay, anyway,
• 1:28:05
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  Speaker 5: Men's ride activists are machines, dude. Okay, they are literal machines.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 5: They are talking point machines. They are impossible to fucking
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 5: deal with, especially if you have, like especially if you
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 5: have like a couple of dudes who have good memory.
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  Speaker 1: On top of that, too, holy shit, you're fucked.
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  Speaker 4: Passssssssssssssssss