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- 0:00Speaker 1: Disgraceland as a production of Double Elvis. There are many
- 0:13Speaker 1: insane stories about the Foo Fighters, and you've likely heard
- 0:17Speaker 1: most of them, and that's because Dave Grohl himself is
- 0:21Speaker 1: an incredible storyteller. But there are a few stories that
- 0:24Speaker 1: the band doesn't want told. Chief among them how their
- 0:28Speaker 1: drummer Taylor Hawkins died, more specifically, the story behind the
- 0:33Speaker 1: curious fact that it's been four years and we still
- 0:36Speaker 1: don't have an official cause of death for one of
- 0:39Speaker 1: the greatest drummers who ever lived. Why not? I have
- 0:43Speaker 1: some ideas, and none of them take away from the
- 0:46Speaker 1: fact that Taylor Hawkins and the Foo Fighters made great music.
- 0:50Speaker 1: Unlike that music, I've played a few at the top
- 0:52Speaker 1: of the show that wasn't great music. That was a
- 0:55Speaker 1: not so preset loop for my melotron called ROMI has
- 0:59Speaker 1: Two Trons MK one. I played you that loote because
- 1:04Speaker 1: I can't afford the rights to heat Waves by Glass Animals,
- 1:08Speaker 1: And why would I play you that specific slice of
- 1:11Speaker 1: I don't even know what to call that, geez? Could
- 1:14Speaker 1: I afford it? Because that was the number one song
- 1:18Speaker 1: in America on March twenty fifth, twenty twenty two, and
- 1:22Speaker 1: that was the day that Food Fighters drummer Taylor Hawkins died,
- 1:26Speaker 1: creating one of the most unexplainable and recent mysteries in
- 1:30Speaker 1: rock and roll. On this episode, the Incredible Story of
- 1:35Speaker 1: Dave Roll, Dave Groll's incredible story telling great rock and
- 1:39Speaker 1: roll in the mystery behind the death of Food Fighters
- 1:43Speaker 1: drummer Taylor Hawkins. I'm Jake Brennan, and this this disgrace slams.
- 2:13Speaker 1: Dave Grohl is commonly referred to as the nicest guy
- 2:16Speaker 1: in rock and roll. It's a descriptor that Dave himself
- 2:20Speaker 1: reportedly doesn't like. However, the Foo Fighters front man and
- 2:24Speaker 1: former drummer for Nirvana and DC hardcore band Scream, has
- 2:28Speaker 1: been on our radios and screens and in our record
- 2:30Speaker 1: bins for the past three decades, entertaining us in some capacity,
- 2:34Speaker 1: either on stage, in front of the microphone, behind the
- 2:37Speaker 1: drums on record, or answering some interviewers questions with his
- 2:41Speaker 1: four on the floor charisma and his toothy smile and
- 2:44Speaker 1: well earned confidence, and well, he sure seems like a
- 2:47Speaker 1: nice guy. I've never met Dave Grohl, but I have
- 2:51Speaker 1: a lot of friends who have, and every single one
- 2:53Speaker 1: of them says the same thing. Yes, he really is
- 2:56Speaker 1: that dude. At the moment, that dude, Dave Grohl is everywhere.
- 3:02Speaker 1: It seems. He's all over our feeds, in short clips
- 3:06Speaker 1: and in memes, the former from his Zane Lowe Apple
- 3:10Speaker 1: Music conversation, the latter from his Guardian newspaper interview. In
- 3:14Speaker 1: both cases, he's promoting the new Foo Fighters album Your
- 3:17Speaker 1: Favorite Toy, the band's twelve full length LP, and it's
- 3:21Speaker 1: first with new drummer Elon Rubin, and carefully talking around
- 3:24Speaker 1: the more controversial subjects from his in the Foo's recent past,
- 3:29Speaker 1: namely the bust up between the band and their most
- 3:31Speaker 1: recent drummer, Josh Freese. Punk Rocks Jim Gordon, a dude
- 3:35Speaker 1: who has played with a who's who of rock, punk
- 3:37Speaker 1: and pop, from The Vandals to Katie Perry, Devo, Weezer,
- 3:41Speaker 1: Bruce Springsteen, Maya, Rudolph, Guns N' Roses, Joe Strummer, Paul Westerberg,
- 3:45Speaker 1: The Offspring and a gazillion more and now nine inch Nails.
- 3:50Speaker 1: Freeze toured with the Foo Fighters from twenty twenty three
- 3:54Speaker 1: to twenty twenty five, and Josh Freese was understandably butt
- 3:58Speaker 1: heard about being kicked out of the band, posting on
- 4:01Speaker 1: Instagram in May twenty twenty five that the band called
- 4:04Speaker 1: him in to let him know that they were quote
- 4:06Speaker 1: going in a different direction unquote. He claimed that no
- 4:10Speaker 1: actual reason was given for his firing, and Freeze went
- 4:14Speaker 1: on to say that it was the first time he'd
- 4:16Speaker 1: been fired from any gig in his forty year career,
- 4:19Speaker 1: and that he was shocked and disappointed. Dave Grohl describes
- 4:23Speaker 1: the conversation that the band had with Freeze, the one
- 4:26Speaker 1: where they let him go, in typical nicest guy in
- 4:29Speaker 1: rock and roll fashion, as follows. Basically, we called Josh
- 4:33Speaker 1: and we were like, hey man, that was awesome. That
- 4:36Speaker 1: was such a blast, Thank you so much, but we're
- 4:38Speaker 1: gonna move on and find another drummer. After the dust settled,
- 4:43Speaker 1: Freeze went on a passive aggressive rant on Instagram, listing
- 4:46Speaker 1: with at least some humor, the quote ten possible reasons
- 4:50Speaker 1: joshka booted, the joke apparently being what reason could there
- 4:54Speaker 1: possibly be to actually fire Josh Freeze from any band,
- 4:57Speaker 1: much less the Foo Fighters, a band that Freeze would
- 4:59Speaker 1: eventually claim wasn't music that I resonated with. After all that,
- 5:04Speaker 1: Dave Grohl told Zane Lowe. I think Josh said it
- 5:07Speaker 1: best when he said that he didn't feel our music
- 5:09Speaker 1: really resonated with him, and that's really important. And then
- 5:15Speaker 1: there's a topic of Dave Grohl's recent Baby Mama drama.
- 5:18Speaker 1: It's a most unchill modern rock and roll controversy, one
- 5:22Speaker 1: that has caused culture vultures and fans alike to question
- 5:25Speaker 1: Grohl's nice guy reputation. On September tenth, twenty twenty four,
- 5:30Speaker 1: the post appeared on Girl's personal Instagram page, saying quote,
- 5:35Speaker 1: I've recently become the father of a new baby daughter
- 5:37Speaker 1: born outside my marriage. I planned to be a loving
- 5:41Speaker 1: and supportive parent tour. I love my wife and my children,
- 5:45Speaker 1: and I'm doing everything I can to regain their trust
- 5:47Speaker 1: and earn their forgiveness. We're grateful for your consideration toward
- 5:51Speaker 1: all the children involved as we move forward together. Dave ouch,
- 6:00Speaker 1: hearing this sucked as a fan, but it's hard to
- 6:03Speaker 1: complain again as a fan knowing how hard this must
- 6:06Speaker 1: have been to hear for the four women in Dave
- 6:08Speaker 1: Gorohle's family, his wife and three daughters. So I don't
- 6:11Speaker 1: really want to talk about it, and neither is Dave
- 6:13Speaker 1: grol understandably. That said, part of the point of these
- 6:18Speaker 1: recent interviews that Grole has done seems to be to
- 6:21Speaker 1: let everyone know that he's spending a lot of time
- 6:24Speaker 1: working on himself, going to therapy six times a week.
- 6:29Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? If anything would make me insane,
- 6:32Speaker 1: it would be talking about myself in in ten sessions
- 6:35Speaker 1: for six out of the seven days in a week.
- 6:38Speaker 1: I can't imagine what this process for Dave Grohl is like.
- 6:41Speaker 1: This is a guy whose entire mission in life has
- 6:44Speaker 1: been for the past thirty years to rock our faces
- 6:47Speaker 1: off and to bring joy through his music to millions
- 6:51Speaker 1: of fans across the globe. Sitting on a couch, turning inward,
- 6:55Speaker 1: talking to a therapist about the things in one's life
- 6:57Speaker 1: that have nearly destroyed you seems it's like the opposite
- 7:01Speaker 1: of what Dave Grole was put on this planet to do.
- 7:04Speaker 1: Dave Grohl is supposed to stand, not sit and on stage,
- 7:08Speaker 1: not in a comfy chair, and destroy us, not talk
- 7:11Speaker 1: about what's destroying him. Dave Grohl is a rock star.
- 7:17Speaker 1: As a fan, I don't want to hear about Dave's
- 7:20Speaker 1: problems or how he's dealing with them. I want to
- 7:23Speaker 1: feel him melt my face with this hardcore arena rock
- 7:26Speaker 1: animal from Electric Mayhem Energy. But I'm no utopian. I
- 7:31Speaker 1: get it. Nothing is as it seems. And if you
- 7:33Speaker 1: can't always get what you want, love the one you're
- 7:35Speaker 1: with or whatever that's saying is. But what I'm trying
- 7:39Speaker 1: to say is Dave Grohl understandably needs to do whatever
- 7:42Speaker 1: Dave grol needs to do for himself, his family, and
- 7:45Speaker 1: for his public persona, and then keep himself wired together
- 7:49Speaker 1: enough to continue bringing joy on stage and on record.
- 7:52Speaker 1: And this, for better or worse, is where we're at
- 7:54Speaker 1: with this dude, after three decades with him in our lives.
- 7:58Speaker 1: To his credit, Dave Grohl has confronted his infidelity in
- 8:01Speaker 1: these recent interviews within the context of his recent therapy,
- 8:04Speaker 1: at least saying I have to be perfectly honest. Writing
- 8:08Speaker 1: songs and writing lyrics about these things is sometimes enough
- 8:12Speaker 1: as far as having a deeper, longer conversation about them.
- 8:14Speaker 1: I still do reserve a lot of this for my
- 8:16Speaker 1: own personal life. That's totally fair. I kind of wish
- 8:20Speaker 1: he'd reserve it all for his personal life. But there
- 8:23Speaker 1: is this rabid beast called public opinion, and the beast
- 8:26Speaker 1: must be fed. It's clear Dave does not want to
- 8:30Speaker 1: talk about this moment in his life, and who among
- 8:32Speaker 1: us would. But this is just a moment that he's
- 8:34Speaker 1: got to get through, and he will, and in another
- 8:36Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty five days and in another three
- 8:39Speaker 1: hundred and sixty five news cycles, we will barely remember
- 8:42Speaker 1: any of this because by that time Sean Diddy Combs
- 8:44Speaker 1: will be president or something equally ludicrous. Then there's the
- 8:50Speaker 1: subject of Foo Fighters drummer Taylor Hawkins's death, the third
- 8:54Speaker 1: consequential subject that Dave Grohl and everyone involved with the
- 8:57Speaker 1: Foos clearly doesn't want to talk about. In fact, the
- 9:01Speaker 1: subject of how Taylor died just well, it doesn't even
- 9:04Speaker 1: come up anymore, not in the pop music discourse, and
- 9:07Speaker 1: most certainly not in recent Dave Girl interviews or in
- 9:10Speaker 1: interviews with other members of the Foo Fighters, which is strange.
- 9:14Speaker 1: Taylor Hawkins died on March twenty fifth, twenty twenty two,
- 9:18Speaker 1: a full four years ago, and we still don't know
- 9:21Speaker 1: how he died. Is this pop music's greatest unsolved mystery? No,
- 9:27Speaker 1: far from it. It's just that no one seems to care.
- 9:30Speaker 1: Make that make sense? This wasn't the drummer for some
- 9:33Speaker 1: random rock band struggling to make ends meet out there
- 9:36Speaker 1: on the road. This wasn't some faceless session drummer either.
- 9:39Speaker 1: And this wasn't even Josh Freeze. This was Taylor fucking Hawkins,
- 9:43Speaker 1: one of the most charismatic, larger than life drummers of
- 9:45Speaker 1: the twenty first century, a man whose unique presence and
- 9:48Speaker 1: talent behind the kit was challenged by very few, but
- 9:51Speaker 1: most ironically by a dude in his own band, Dave Grohl.
- 9:55Speaker 1: And now he's gone, and we don't know why? Why not?
- 10:00Speaker 1: You know how Keith Moon died overdosed in Harry Nilson's
- 10:03Speaker 1: London apartment. We know how John Bonham died. He choked
- 10:06Speaker 1: on his own vomit. Why don't we know how this
- 10:08Speaker 1: latter day drumming icon died. Go ahead and google how
- 10:13Speaker 1: did Taylor Hawkins die? The response you get will be
- 10:17Speaker 1: the following.
- 10:19Speaker 2: Taylor Hawkins died on March twenty fifth, twenty twenty two,
- 10:22Speaker 2: at age fifty in Bogatah, Columbia, due to a cardiovascular
- 10:26Speaker 2: collapse following a reported chest pain emergency. A preliminary urine
- 10:30Speaker 2: toxicology test found ten different substances in his system, including opioids, benzodiazepines, antidepressants,
- 10:37Speaker 2: and THHC, though an official final cause of death was
- 10:40Speaker 2: not publicly released.
- 10:42Speaker 1: Okay, so he overdosed on drugs and died, right, well,
- 10:46Speaker 1: go ahead and google, did Taylor Hawkins die from an overdose?
- 10:50Speaker 1: The Google Gemini response you'll get will be the following
- 10:53Speaker 1: excerpt from a Variety article from twenty twenty two, around
- 10:56Speaker 1: the time of Hawkins's death, which says.
- 10:59Speaker 2: As of late March twenty twenty six, an official cause
- 11:02Speaker 2: of death has never been released for Foo Fighters drummer
- 11:05Speaker 2: Taylor Hawkins. While investigators found substances in his system, authorities
- 11:10Speaker 2: in Columbia have not officially classified his death as a
- 11:13Speaker 2: drug overdose.
- 11:15Speaker 1: Okay, now Google, is there an official cause of death
- 11:19Speaker 1: for Taylor Hawkins? And the response you will get is no.
- 11:23Speaker 2: An official finalized cause of death for Foo Fighters drummer
- 11:26Speaker 2: Taylor Hawkins has never been publicly released.
- 11:30Speaker 1: I don't get it. What are they doing? Are they
- 11:33Speaker 1: trolling the conspiracy theorists here? Why hasn't an official cause
- 11:37Speaker 1: of death ever been released? If you want an ice
- 11:40Speaker 1: cream headache, you can go ahead and google that one.
- 11:42Speaker 1: But I'm gonna try to answer that question in this
- 11:44Speaker 1: episode while at the same time telling you the story
- 11:47Speaker 1: of nice guy Dave Grohl and the Mighty Foo Fighters.
- 12:18Speaker 1: Dave Grohl is a great drummer, sure, and songwriter and frontman,
- 12:23Speaker 1: but his greatest talent may be as a storyteller. We've
- 12:27Speaker 1: all seen him back in the day on MTV disarming
- 12:29Speaker 1: a nervous interviewer in some comfy late night chair, blowing
- 12:33Speaker 1: the minds of the host and studio audience, talking shit
- 12:36Speaker 1: to some podcaster, stunning some morning drive DJ, all with
- 12:40Speaker 1: jaw dropping story after jaw dropping story featuring him. Dave Grohl,
- 12:44Speaker 1: the nicest guy in rock and roll, right there at
- 12:46Speaker 1: the center of our rock and roll fantasy. There's the
- 12:49Speaker 1: one about Dave meeting Lemmy from Motorhead for the first time,
- 12:52Speaker 1: and that time Dave made a pilgrimage to Pantera's Strip Club.
- 12:56Speaker 1: Then there are all those stories about Dave experiencing some
- 12:58Speaker 1: sort of UFO, and and there's that time he drank
- 13:01Speaker 1: forty cups of coffee in one day, got chased by
- 13:04Speaker 1: knife wielding junkies in Amsterdam, broke his leg on stage
- 13:07Speaker 1: in Sweden, and returned with a doctor at his side
- 13:10Speaker 1: to hold the bone in place so he could finish
- 13:11Speaker 1: the show for his fans, and my favorite Dave showing
- 13:15Speaker 1: up on the set of The X Files and talking
- 13:17Speaker 1: his way into a role as an extra. It's not
- 13:20Speaker 1: just the wild experiences that make these tales so interesting,
- 13:24Speaker 1: it's the way Dave Grohl tells these stories. He's a natural.
- 13:29Speaker 1: Songwriters are, of course, storytellers, and the best of the
- 13:32Speaker 1: best know this and use one talent to enhance the other.
- 13:36Speaker 1: And Dave Grohl seems hyper conscious of this skill. His
- 13:40Speaker 1: Instagram handle is at Dave's True Stories. His twenty twenty
- 13:45Speaker 1: two memoir is titled Storyteller. My point is, what the
- 13:50Speaker 1: hell am I doing? If there's no way I'm going
- 13:53Speaker 1: to do Dave Grohl's story or the story of the
- 13:55Speaker 1: Foo Fighters justice. Nobody can tell Dave's story as well
- 13:59Speaker 1: as Dave himself. But maybe I can fill in some gaps,
- 14:02Speaker 1: some narrative drum fills, if you will. Nothing over the top,
- 14:06Speaker 1: not so much Bron Dailer from Mastadon, but perhaps something
- 14:09Speaker 1: a bit more Levon Helm from the band, Just some
- 14:13Speaker 1: thoughtful emphasis to round out the story the front man
- 14:15Speaker 1: is telling because, like I said, there's no telling Dave
- 14:19Speaker 1: Grohl's story. Like Dave Grole, but like the punk rock
- 14:22Speaker 1: snobs who only vibe on the first two Foo Fighters records.
- 14:25Speaker 1: They're self titled nineteen ninety five debut in nineteen ninety
- 14:28Speaker 1: seven's the color and the shape. When it comes to
- 14:31Speaker 1: Dave Grol, the storyteller, I prefer his early stuff, going
- 14:35Speaker 1: all the way back to the Melvins, the Pacific Northwest
- 14:38Speaker 1: sludge heroes, to Nirvana, the heaviest band on the planet
- 14:41Speaker 1: since Black Sabbath, a band whose leader King Buzzo's nineteen
- 14:45Speaker 1: ninety two self titled solo effort features a spoken word
- 14:49Speaker 1: rant by a little known musician at the time, credited
- 14:51Speaker 1: in homage to Black Flag as Dale Nixon, but known
- 14:55Speaker 1: to his friends in and around Seattle as Dave Grohl. So,
- 15:00Speaker 1: Dave was in Olympia. He was staying at this guy,
- 15:03Speaker 1: Kurt's house, a new friend of his. He was a
- 15:07Speaker 1: singer in Day's new band, Nirvana. They were just starting
- 15:09Speaker 1: with their second album, never Mind, and everything was going
- 15:13Speaker 1: pretty good. Kurt. He was writing these great new songs.
- 15:19Speaker 1: It within a couple of months, never Mind came out,
- 15:21Speaker 1: you know.
- 15:23Speaker 3: And I guess radio DJ's really liked it or something,
- 15:25Speaker 3: because they were constantly playing Nirvana and giving him lots
- 15:28Speaker 3: of love making the money, you know, and Kurt was
- 15:31Speaker 3: constantly harassed by the press.
- 15:33Speaker 1: It was always getting high heroin the bad stuff. You know,
- 15:37Speaker 1: he was in bad shape. The spotlight just got hotter.
- 15:40Speaker 1: Kurt was really hurt, and I don't think he knew
- 15:42Speaker 1: about fame before, but he had other demons, I suppose.
- 16:09Speaker 1: So Dave was sitting on his couch now in his
- 16:11Speaker 1: La apartment and he.
- 16:12Speaker 4: Was reading you know, Maximum Rock and Roll and Flip
- 16:15Speaker 4: Side or.
- 16:15Speaker 3: One of those pulp things, and he hears the phone ring.
- 16:18Speaker 3: There's a guy on the other end of the line,
- 16:20Speaker 3: really going on.
- 16:21Speaker 1: Kurt was in Rome, Kurt was in some hotel. He
- 16:24Speaker 1: was really really doing bad. You know, he looked bad.
- 16:28Speaker 4: Too, you know.
- 16:29Speaker 1: On the phone.
- 16:30Speaker 3: The guy puts his cards on the table and whatever.
- 16:33Speaker 3: Davi's is reading his little punk magazine, but he's paying attention.
- 16:40Speaker 1: He says, uh, he says, Kurt's dead.
- 16:44Speaker 5: Dave hangs up, and he's standing there with the phone
- 16:47Speaker 5: in his hand, and he hangs up like but that.
- 16:50Speaker 5: The phone rings again, and Dave finally answers it and
- 16:55Speaker 5: Dave doesn't know what to think.
- 16:56Speaker 1: Dave says, is Kurt Cobaine really dead? And the guy says, no,
- 17:01Speaker 1: I think he's alive. Imagine that. Imagine you're in the
- 17:10Speaker 1: biggest band on the planet, as Dave Grohl was in
- 17:13Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four in Nirvana, a band that had come
- 17:16Speaker 1: out of nowhere from Olympia, Washington by way of Seattle,
- 17:19Speaker 1: to outseell Michael Jackson to completely change the pop music
- 17:23Speaker 1: game and music forever in your Dave Grohl, a twenty
- 17:28Speaker 1: one year old hardcore kid from Virginia who just a
- 17:30Speaker 1: few months earlier was playing in the DC hardcore band's
- 17:33Speaker 1: Scream and living in Squalor, crashing on a friend's floor
- 17:36Speaker 1: in La So insisting on a diet a convenience store,
- 17:39Speaker 1: hot dogs and canned beans. And then you join Nirvana,
- 17:42Speaker 1: and you make an incredible album, not just an incredible
- 17:45Speaker 1: album musically, but one of those albums that changes music,
- 17:49Speaker 1: that changes culture. Nirvana's never Mind, which Let's be honest,
- 17:54Speaker 1: was strengthened because of the addition of Dave Groll's drumming
- 17:58Speaker 1: that inimitable hardcore heaviness that Neanderthal disco is. Dave called
- 18:02Speaker 1: it Part Black Sabbathsville Ward, part Sheeks Tony Thompson. Never
- 18:05Speaker 1: Mind changed how kids listened to music, how they consumed music,
- 18:11Speaker 1: how they dressed, how they thought. And now now you're
- 18:14Speaker 1: Dave and you're hanging out with friends in sunny La
- 18:16Speaker 1: one afternoon, and the phone rings and someone gives you
- 18:19Speaker 1: the news that you're singer, your friend, your former roommate,
- 18:22Speaker 1: your resident torture genius in your band, the reluctant voice
- 18:25Speaker 1: of a generation, The heavily depressed and drug addicted Kirk
- 18:28Speaker 1: Cobain is dead. But then they call back and surprise,
- 18:33Speaker 1: he's alive. It was just an overdose or a suicide attempt.
- 18:37Speaker 1: No one's really sure, but the point is he survived.
- 18:40Speaker 1: But then, thirty six days later, on April eighth, nineteen
- 18:43Speaker 1: ninety four, the call comes again, but this time with
- 18:46Speaker 1: more finality. Kirk Cobain is gone for good, and the
- 18:52Speaker 1: grief is as immeasurable as it is impossible to get
- 18:56Speaker 1: a hold of. It snakes around inside of you. It's
- 18:59Speaker 1: both a loose and intrusive. The only defense is movement work.
- 19:05Speaker 1: And then another call, this one from none other than
- 19:09Speaker 1: Tom Petty. The Tom Petty, the Man who'd been pummeling
- 19:12Speaker 1: America with hit after hit, stretching back to the nineteen seventies.
- 19:16Speaker 1: There was an empty drum stool behind Tom on the
- 19:18Speaker 1: sound stage at NBC Saturday Night Live Studio, and oh man,
- 19:21Speaker 1: wasn't that exactly what Dave Grohl needed. Dave, with Tom
- 19:25Speaker 1: Petty's Heartbreakers on National Television fit like a glove, and
- 19:30Speaker 1: not the cheesy kind Vic Firth made for drummers, the
- 19:33Speaker 1: kind Steve McQueen wore while he whipped around Laurel Canyon
- 19:36Speaker 1: on his Triumph motorcycle. Dave Grohl playing drums for Tom
- 19:40Speaker 1: Petty made all the sense in the world, but at
- 19:42Speaker 1: the same time, it made no sense at all. Tom
- 19:46Speaker 1: offered Dave the gig full time. Dave needed to think
- 19:49Speaker 1: about it. There were the demos to consider, the songs
- 19:53Speaker 1: he'd been working on with Barrett Jones, the producer Dave
- 19:56Speaker 1: worked with alongside the Melvins under the pseudonym Dale Nixon.
- 20:00Speaker 1: Dave was as inspired by those new songs as he
- 20:02Speaker 1: was frightened by them. It was Dave out front, not
- 20:05Speaker 1: behind the kid, center stage on mike and playing everything guitar, bass,
- 20:12Speaker 1: drums and singing. Dave Grohl told Tom Petty there was
- 20:16Speaker 1: a dream he needed to run down, and then he
- 20:18Speaker 1: headed into the studio by himself. He had seven days
- 20:22Speaker 1: to record an album of songs. He tracked four songs
- 20:25Speaker 1: a day every day for four days straight. He took
- 20:28Speaker 1: one day to record vocals, a couple days to mix,
- 20:31Speaker 1: and on the seventh day, the burgeoning rock god rested
- 20:35Speaker 1: and the Foo Fighters were born. At first, those songs
- 20:39Speaker 1: amounted to just a demo tape for Day's friends to
- 20:41Speaker 1: hear what he was up to after Nirvana, But in
- 20:44Speaker 1: no time, Dave had a record deal. A band was
- 20:46Speaker 1: put together to bring the songs on tour. Dave tracked
- 20:49Speaker 1: down Nate Mendel and William Goldsmith the rhythm section from
- 20:52Speaker 1: Subpop's Sunny Day Real Estate. Soon Pat Smear from the Germs,
- 20:57Speaker 1: who had joined Nirvana back in nineteen ninety three, to
- 21:00Speaker 1: join the Food Fighters for their live shows. The Foo
- 21:03Speaker 1: Fighters first record took off. A follow up was needed.
- 21:07Speaker 1: Dave went back into the studio, but this time with
- 21:09Speaker 1: a band. But that was just the problem, or at
- 21:12Speaker 1: least part of the problem. The drums were wrong. William
- 21:16Speaker 1: Goldsmith couldn't deliver what Dave Grohl was hearing in his head,
- 21:20Speaker 1: so Dave re recorded all the drums and the Foo
- 21:23Speaker 1: Fighters Monsters second album, The Color in the Shape, was
- 21:26Speaker 1: done a glorious rock and roll steaming Dave Grohl wasn't
- 21:31Speaker 1: just the guy from Nirvana and the Foo Fighters, wasn't
- 21:35Speaker 1: some one off solo vanity project. It was a band,
- 21:39Speaker 1: a band fronted by one of the greatest rock and
- 21:41Speaker 1: roll drummers ever, a drummer who sang and played guitar,
- 21:46Speaker 1: fronting a band that now needed a drummer because Dave
- 21:50Speaker 1: Grohl was also an inexperienced bandleader who, as he sang
- 21:54Speaker 1: on The Color in the Shape, sometimes got stuck between
- 21:57Speaker 1: the handshake and the fuck. William Goldsmith was out. He
- 22:02Speaker 1: couldn't get over having his drum parts replaced, could you.
- 22:07Speaker 1: But Dave Grohl knew a guy, another rock and roll animal,
- 22:11Speaker 1: a man who could not only keep up with Dave
- 22:13Speaker 1: Grole behind the kit, but a man with a spirit
- 22:15Speaker 1: and charisma that somehow equaled Dave's own enter Taylor Hawkins,
- 22:20Speaker 1: Dave Grole's reversal world rock and roll twin. Dave came
- 22:26Speaker 1: from hardcore, Taylor from milanis Morris Set, but still they rocked.
- 22:32Speaker 1: Dave referenced the Pixies Taylor queen, but still they rocked.
- 22:37Speaker 1: Dave wrestled melodies, Taylor wrestled rhythm, but still well, you
- 22:42Speaker 1: get it. Theirs was a match for the books, too
- 22:46Speaker 1: good to be true. Taylor Hawkins's incredible playing in Presence
- 22:50Speaker 1: was rocket fuel for Dave Grohl's Foo Fighters' ambitions. The
- 22:53Speaker 1: first album Taylor played on, There Is Nothing Left to Lose,
- 22:56Speaker 1: went platinum. Then in two thousand and one, Dave Grohl
- 23:02Speaker 1: got another phone call. This time it was about Taylor.
- 23:11Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this word word word, two
- 23:24Speaker 1: thousand and one, Hollywood Sunset, Marquis Hotel, Dave Grohl's at
- 23:29Speaker 1: the bar, fresh out of band practice with his buds
- 23:31Speaker 1: and Tenacious d Jack Black and Kyle Gass's comedy rock band,
- 23:35Speaker 1: which Dave was generously donating his drumming skills. Drumming a
- 23:40Speaker 1: constant source of joy and sometimes source of anxiety for
- 23:43Speaker 1: Dave Grohl. Finding a drummer not just to replace William Goldsmith,
- 23:48Speaker 1: but essentially to replace what Dave himself had done in
- 23:50Speaker 1: the studio behind the kit was no easy task until
- 23:54Speaker 1: it wasn't. Taylor Hawkins appeared like one of those mirages
- 23:59Speaker 1: in a bugs bunny car, out of nowhere and almost
- 24:02Speaker 1: too perfect to be true. Taylor understood the mission to
- 24:06Speaker 1: be the biggest, most badass rock and roll band on
- 24:09Speaker 1: the planet, to bridge the gap between sweaty hardcore DIY
- 24:12Speaker 1: basement club energy and arena rock energy, something that hadn't
- 24:16Speaker 1: really been done before. Drumming was the mortar to build
- 24:20Speaker 1: that bridge. After departing from Alanis Morissett's band and joining
- 24:24Speaker 1: the Food Fighters, Taylor Hawkins told Spin Magazine in a
- 24:27Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven cover story that, in preparation for the
- 24:31Speaker 1: food Fighters nightly six hour practices, quote, you have to
- 24:34Speaker 1: be an athlete to play these drum parts, un quote,
- 24:37Speaker 1: and that I play really hard and that's the key
- 24:40Speaker 1: to playing drums for Dave Grohl. You've got to beat
- 24:42Speaker 1: the shit out of the drums. His approach was spot on,
- 24:47Speaker 1: and so was his vibe. Taylor Hawkins exuded rock star
- 24:51Speaker 1: energy on and off stage effortlessly. Dudes wanted to be
- 24:54Speaker 1: m and women wanted well, you've heard the cliche. So
- 24:58Speaker 1: here he was bellied up to the bar at the
- 25:00Speaker 1: Sunset Marquee on the receiving end of drink after drink
- 25:03Speaker 1: from Hollywood's most beautiful women. Dave Grohl was not intimidated.
- 25:08Speaker 1: He understood his role. Once a drummer, always a drummer.
- 25:12Speaker 1: Theirs was a strange dynamic, a drummer with frontman good
- 25:16Speaker 1: looks and a front man with an iconic drumming pedigree,
- 25:18Speaker 1: and both with charisma despair. Dave set his gaze upon
- 25:23Speaker 1: one of the friends of one of the bombshells competing
- 25:25Speaker 1: for Taylor's attention. A beautiful blonde. You're my future ex wife,
- 25:29Speaker 1: he told her. She wrote her number down on a
- 25:31Speaker 1: scrap of paper and signed it Jordan, your future ex wife.
- 25:36Speaker 1: After and on again, off again courtship, Dave was eventually smitten,
- 25:40Speaker 1: and a new girl to complete this new incredible life
- 25:43Speaker 1: was now part of the picture. But then in London,
- 25:47Speaker 1: while the food Fighters were on tour, the phone rang
- 25:52Speaker 1: Taylor Hawkins was in a coma heroin. The traumatic stringout
- 25:59Speaker 1: back to Kurt was obvious, and Dave spiraled. He prayed
- 26:03Speaker 1: in the streets on his walks back from Taylor's hospital
- 26:05Speaker 1: to his hotel room. He contemplated quitting music altogether if
- 26:10Speaker 1: this was the cost two dead bandmates, The Foo Fighters,
- 26:15Speaker 1: after Day's experience with skyrocketing rock and roll fame in
- 26:18Speaker 1: the late nineties, had a list of dues and don'ts.
- 26:22Speaker 1: The list of dues play great shows, write great songs,
- 26:26Speaker 1: start at the bottom and work your way up organically,
- 26:30Speaker 1: and there was only one don't. Don't do heroin. Taylor
- 26:35Speaker 1: Hawkins didn't listen, but thankfully Taylor Hawkins survived. Dave Grohl
- 26:44Speaker 1: put the Foo Fighters on the shelf for a minute
- 26:46Speaker 1: and joined Queens of the Stone Age to record their
- 26:48Speaker 1: excellent album Songs for the Death. He was unsure whether
- 26:52Speaker 1: the Foo Fighters would continue. Prior to Taylor's overdose, Pat
- 26:56Speaker 1: Smear had quit the Foos. Franz Stall from Dave's old
- 26:59Speaker 1: bands Scream replaced him. Franz fit on stage, but not
- 27:03Speaker 1: in the studio. Franz was asked to leave the band.
- 27:06Speaker 1: He was replaced by Chris Shifflett from No Use for
- 27:09Speaker 1: Her Name. Chris's hardcore punk scene experience made him a
- 27:12Speaker 1: natural fit. Pat smer was calling Dave pack kind of
- 27:16Speaker 1: sort of maybe, wasn't going to be upset if Dave
- 27:18Speaker 1: asked him back in the band. Chris was understandably freaked out.
- 27:23Speaker 1: What the hell kind of band. Was this was even
- 27:26Speaker 1: a band dysfunction in a revolving door of band members aside.
- 27:30Speaker 1: The answer to that question was a loud yes. Not
- 27:34Speaker 1: only were they a band, the Foo Fighters were now
- 27:37Speaker 1: a band with three Grammys that had graduated to playing arenas.
- 27:45Speaker 1: Two thousand and two the Coachella Valley Music and Arts Festival,
- 27:49Speaker 1: Dave Grohl was splitting duties as drummer for Queens of
- 27:52Speaker 1: the Stone Age and as frontman for Food Fighters for
- 27:56Speaker 1: what Dave, Taylor, Nate, and Chris thought might be their
- 27:59Speaker 1: last show ever. But it wasn't. They killed, and they
- 28:03Speaker 1: reminded themselves of what they had together. They went back
- 28:09Speaker 1: into the studio and came out with the Grammy winning
- 28:11Speaker 1: album One by One with hits Times like These in
- 28:15Speaker 1: All My Life. They followed that up with the two
- 28:18Speaker 1: thousand and six album In Your Honor and an acoustic tour,
- 28:21Speaker 1: which was Pat Smears's ticket back into the band, not
- 28:24Speaker 1: to replace Chris Shifflip, but instead to play alongside both
- 28:27Speaker 1: him and Dave. The band's next record, Echoes, Silence, Patience
- 28:31Speaker 1: and Grace, now with an expanded lineup that included not
- 28:34Speaker 1: only Pat Smear but Ronny Jaffy on keys proved that
- 28:38Speaker 1: the Foo Fighters were no longer just a loud band
- 28:40Speaker 1: that sometimes played acoustic sets. Now, like the biggest of
- 28:44Speaker 1: the rock gods before them, Led Zeppelin and Queen, to
- 28:48Speaker 1: name a few, the fos seamlessly incorporated ballads and power
- 28:52Speaker 1: not only into their shows, but into the same songs.
- 28:56Speaker 1: They were ready, not for arenas, not for festival, for stadiums.
- 29:02Speaker 1: Wembley Stadium eighty five thousand people sold out two nights,
- 29:08Speaker 1: then another great record wasting Light, followed up by Sonic
- 29:12Speaker 1: Highways in Concrete and Gold. The only thing that could
- 29:16Speaker 1: slow the band down was a global pandemic, which happened
- 29:19Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. After that, the Foo Fighters were one
- 29:23Speaker 1: of the first major acts to get back on the road,
- 29:25Speaker 1: headlining a stadium show in Australia on March fourth, twenty
- 29:28Speaker 1: twenty two. More dates were added a festival in South America,
- 29:34Speaker 1: and that's where Dave Grohl was in Bogata, Columbia when
- 29:38Speaker 1: his phone rang again. In the beginning, there was only music,
- 30:08Speaker 1: a kick drum pounding to the rhythm of heartbeat, voices
- 30:11Speaker 1: in the crowd shouting along with the band, guitar riffs
- 30:14Speaker 1: ricocheting off the walls of the club, total harmony. But
- 30:19Speaker 1: then some new sounds entered the concert, loud, rapid ones.
- 30:23Speaker 1: They ricocheted off the walls just the same, and then
- 30:26Speaker 1: they pierced through flesh, not music. Gunfire. Terrorists tore through
- 30:33Speaker 1: the Battaklan Theater in Paris without a second thought. Three gunmen,
- 30:38Speaker 1: three reloads each maybe four three minutes of a police assault,
- 30:43Speaker 1: ten hours of sorting through dead bodies, and in the
- 30:46Speaker 1: end there was no music, just silence. The Eagles of
- 30:52Speaker 1: Death Metal concert ended too early on November thirteenth, twenty fifteen.
- 30:57Speaker 1: An attack during the show claimed the lives of ninety
- 31:00Speaker 1: Paris burned with fear, grief, exasperation. That was in twenty
- 31:08Speaker 1: fifteen at the Bottoclon concert Hall, a venue attacked by
- 31:11Speaker 1: Islamic State terrorists and what has come to be known
- 31:14Speaker 1: as the Paris Attacks. As a result of that tragedy,
- 31:18Speaker 1: numerous concerts were canceled, including Foo Fighters concerts. Earlier that year,
- 31:24Speaker 1: Dave Grohl had broken his leg on stage and was
- 31:26Speaker 1: forced to perform subsequent shows seated on an epic throne
- 31:30Speaker 1: made of guitars, but two shows were canceled because of this.
- 31:34Speaker 1: The insurance companies that ensure big ticket concert events like
- 31:38Speaker 1: Foo Fighters shows reduced the amount of money they believed
- 31:41Speaker 1: the Foo Fighters were owed. Now, I'm not going to
- 31:44Speaker 1: go into all the details here because I didn't get
- 31:45Speaker 1: into this line of work to bore people to death
- 31:47Speaker 1: with insurance payout policy talk, but basically, it's like this.
- 31:51Speaker 1: Remember that time you got a bill from the hospital
- 31:54Speaker 1: for like five thousand dollars or whatever, and you were like, cool,
- 31:56Speaker 1: I've got insurance. I'm all set. The insurance company's going
- 31:59Speaker 1: to pay five grand. But then the insurance company was like,
- 32:02Speaker 1: wait a minute, hold up, We're only going to pay
- 32:04Speaker 1: two thousand, and you have to pay the rest because, well,
- 32:07Speaker 1: you see, we looked into what happened to you and
- 32:09Speaker 1: decided that the nature of your injury didn't conform exactly
- 32:13Speaker 1: to what our policies cover. So you're out three grand.
- 32:16Speaker 1: Now kindly go fuck yourself. And you're like, shit, where
- 32:19Speaker 1: am I going to get three thousand dollars to pay
- 32:21Speaker 1: these monsters? Well, that's kind of what the insurance companies
- 32:24Speaker 1: did to the Food Fighters, except it wasn't overpaying the
- 32:27Speaker 1: band for medical bills. It was about paying the band
- 32:29Speaker 1: for the money they lost from being unable to perform
- 32:32Speaker 1: for reasons beyond their control. Terrorism in a broken leg
- 32:36Speaker 1: that happened in the line of work, the exact types
- 32:38Speaker 1: of reasons a band ensures their concerts for. And it
- 32:42Speaker 1: wasn't over five grand, it was over millions and millions
- 32:45Speaker 1: of dollars that the Foo Fighters were now on the
- 32:48Speaker 1: hook for. And I know what you're saying, Oh boohoo,
- 32:51Speaker 1: Dave girls rich. So what he didn't get to buy
- 32:53Speaker 1: another rocket ship or whatever. But that's not the point.
- 32:56Speaker 1: Bands like the Foo Fighters employ hundreds of people, not
- 33:01Speaker 1: just the band, but their crew, the roadies, the text,
- 33:04Speaker 1: the truck drivers, and these people are working stiffs. And
- 33:07Speaker 1: if the band doesn't get paid, these folks don't get paid.
- 33:10Speaker 1: Why should Dave Grohl and his band have to go
- 33:12Speaker 1: into their pockets to do the right thing and pay
- 33:14Speaker 1: these folks while the greedy insurance companies continue to get
- 33:17Speaker 1: rich by screwing their customers. So the Foo Fighters sued
- 33:23Speaker 1: their insurers, and they must have had Lloyds of London
- 33:26Speaker 1: over the barrel, because Lloyd's of London eventually settled, which
- 33:30Speaker 1: brings us to Bogata, Columbia in twenty twenty two, The
- 33:38Speaker 1: Foo Fighters were in South America at the headline a festival.
- 33:42Speaker 1: The show was canceled due to weather and the band
- 33:44Speaker 1: was spinning its wheels in a Bogota four seasons hotel
- 33:47Speaker 1: with nothing to do. Fans were gathered outside, and Taylor
- 33:51Speaker 1: Hawkins was among them, hanging out, taking time to pose
- 33:54Speaker 1: for a photo with a nine year old female fan
- 33:56Speaker 1: who was also a drummer, who had lugged her kit
- 33:58Speaker 1: down to the street outside the hotel tell to bang
- 34:00Speaker 1: out Taylor Hawkins and Dave grollbeats on her drum set,
- 34:03Speaker 1: and by Taylor's estimation, she was pretty damn good. But
- 34:06Speaker 1: Taylor was antsy, and it wasn't just because he was
- 34:09Speaker 1: trapped in a hotel in a foreign country with nothing
- 34:11Speaker 1: to do. Friends of Taylor's, including ex Soundgarden and then
- 34:16Speaker 1: Pearl Jam drummer Matt Cameron, told Rolling Stone magazine that
- 34:19Speaker 1: Taylor had expressed to Dave Grohl prior to those twenty
- 34:22Speaker 1: twenty two tour dates that he could no longer keep up, saying, quote,
- 34:26Speaker 1: he had a heart to heart with Dave and yeah,
- 34:29Speaker 1: he told me that he couldn't fucking do it anymore.
- 34:32Speaker 1: Those were his words. Un quote. In that same Rolling
- 34:36Speaker 1: Stone article, unnamed representatives for the Foo Fighters denied that
- 34:40Speaker 1: Hawkins ever raised these issues, saying, quote, No, there was
- 34:43Speaker 1: never a heart to heart or any sort of meeting
- 34:45Speaker 1: on this topic with Dave and Silva artist management. So
- 34:49Speaker 1: who's lying and why? And why does this matter? On
- 34:53Speaker 1: the issue of who's lying? Matt Cameron came out against
- 34:57Speaker 1: this Rolling Stone article after it was published, saying, quote,
- 35:01Speaker 1: my quotes were taken out of context and shaped into
- 35:03Speaker 1: a narrative that I had never intended. Okay, what about
- 35:07Speaker 1: the quotes from Taylor's other friends in the article who
- 35:10Speaker 1: support what Cameron had said? Were their quotes taken out
- 35:13Speaker 1: of context to shape a narrative as well? I've read
- 35:16Speaker 1: the article many times, like, very closely, and here's what
- 35:19Speaker 1: I think that Rolling Stone magazine did something it no
- 35:23Speaker 1: longer does that often anymore actual music journalism. And a
- 35:27Speaker 1: bunch of people who spoke to Rolling Stone's reporters didn't
- 35:30Speaker 1: like how the article turned out and cried foul. Just
- 35:33Speaker 1: because you don't like how the chef cooked your steak,
- 35:35Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that it's not steak. But okay, why
- 35:38Speaker 1: does this matter? It matters because after Taylor Hawkins allegedly
- 35:43Speaker 1: expressed to his band leader and boss that he wanted
- 35:47Speaker 1: to pull back on touring, and was reportedly, as the
- 35:50Speaker 1: Rolling Stone magazine claims via an unnamed source, given assurances
- 35:54Speaker 1: that the band would have a lighter schedule going forward.
- 35:57Speaker 1: The band did not have a lighter schedule. They had
- 36:00Speaker 1: sixty gigs on the schedule, plus a one off in Australia.
- 36:04Speaker 1: This all after playing forty shows the year prior, including
- 36:08Speaker 1: a gig in December at which Taylor Hawkins's friends allege
- 36:11Speaker 1: that Taylor collapsed on a plane. Red Hot Chili Peppers
- 36:15Speaker 1: drummer Chad Smith said that Taylor quote was exhausted and
- 36:18Speaker 1: collapsed once again. A rep for the Foo Fighters denied this,
- 36:23Speaker 1: but according to Rolling Stone, Chad Smith went on to
- 36:25Speaker 1: say that Taylor told him quote, I can't do it
- 36:28Speaker 1: like this anymore. Chad Smith also denounced how his comments
- 36:32Speaker 1: were represented by Rolling Stone Magazine. Okay, but facts are facts.
- 36:39Speaker 1: All these sources friends of Taylor Hawkins went on record
- 36:42Speaker 1: to state that the drummer felt he could no longer
- 36:45Speaker 1: continue with the band due to their extensive touring responsibilities.
- 36:49Speaker 1: One of them claimed that Taylor had collapsed from exhaustion
- 36:53Speaker 1: during this time period. Another, an unnamed source, claimed Taylor
- 36:57Speaker 1: was given assurances that the band would have a lighter skeede,
- 37:00Speaker 1: but the facts proved that the band did not have
- 37:02Speaker 1: a lighter schedule, just the opposite. How's this for another fact?
- 37:06Speaker 1: Taylor Hawkins revealed in twenty twenty one that his doctor
- 37:10Speaker 1: told him he had an enlarged heart. His heart was
- 37:14Speaker 1: enlarged not from being unhealthy, but from being too healthy.
- 37:18Speaker 1: From bashing the shit out of the drums behind Dave
- 37:21Speaker 1: Grohl for sixty shows a year, from practicing for six hours,
- 37:26Speaker 1: six nights a week, from being a fucking athlete. The
- 37:29Speaker 1: average age for an athlete to retire, by the way,
- 37:32Speaker 1: is twenty nine years old. In twenty twenty two, Taylor
- 37:36Speaker 1: Hawkins was fifty years old. And yeah, sure, rock and
- 37:41Speaker 1: roll drummers like Taylor's heroes Roger Taylor from Queen and
- 37:44Speaker 1: Stuart Copeland from The Police are still performing at ages
- 37:48Speaker 1: seventy six and seventy three, respectively, and the Rolling Stones,
- 37:51Speaker 1: as Charlie Watts, tore it up until he died at
- 37:53Speaker 1: the age of eighty. But these drummers were from a
- 37:55Speaker 1: different generation, and they played a style of music way
- 37:58Speaker 1: less physically demanding than the drumming required to perform in
- 38:01Speaker 1: the Foo Fighters or in most big rock bands from
- 38:04Speaker 1: the nineties. We are entering unknown territory here. As drummers
- 38:10Speaker 1: like Taylor Hawkins and Chad Smith and Matt Cameron look
- 38:13Speaker 1: to the future to figure out how they're going to
- 38:14Speaker 1: continue their careers on the road, they can't look to
- 38:17Speaker 1: the past for a roadmap, because what's being demanded of
- 38:20Speaker 1: them physically at their age has never been demanded of
- 38:24Speaker 1: any drummer before. Based purely on the style of music
- 38:27Speaker 1: they play compared to the less aggressive style of music
- 38:31Speaker 1: played by aging classic rock drummers, there simply isn't a precedent.
- 38:36Speaker 1: These drummers are the first to get there, and the
- 38:38Speaker 1: first to attempt to keep up with their bandmates at
- 38:40Speaker 1: an age that makes it nearly impossible. All due respect
- 38:44Speaker 1: to Roger Taylor, Stuart Copeland in the late great Charlie Watts,
- 38:47Speaker 1: but there's no fucking way any of them could have
- 38:49Speaker 1: pulled off a Foo Fighters gig past the age of
- 38:51Speaker 1: forty nine. And by the way, in twenty twenty five,
- 38:55Speaker 1: Matt Cameron quit Pearl Jam for this exact reason. Back
- 39:02Speaker 1: to what I believe are the facts. Taylor Hawkins collapsed
- 39:06Speaker 1: after a performance in twenty twenty one. Taylor Hawkins had
- 39:10Speaker 1: an enlarged heart. Taylor Hawkins believed playing in the Foo
- 39:13Speaker 1: Fighters was taking a toll on him physically, and that
- 39:16Speaker 1: he couldn't keep up with the touring demands of the band.
- 39:19Speaker 1: Taylor Hawkins wanted to pull back on his touring responsibilities,
- 39:22Speaker 1: and he told Dave Grol this. Allegedly, some sort of
- 39:25Speaker 1: agreement was reached where Taylor was given assurances that his
- 39:29Speaker 1: touring responsibilities would be lessened. Foo Fighters representatives never confirmed
- 39:33Speaker 1: that Taylor Hawkins collapsed, and the REPS adamantly denied that
- 39:36Speaker 1: a meeting took place where Taylor expressed his misgivings about
- 39:39Speaker 1: touring or that any such assurances were given that he
- 39:42Speaker 1: would be allowed to tour less, and the Foo Fighters
- 39:45Speaker 1: showed no signs of slowing down. Instead, they went to
- 39:50Speaker 1: Bogata and Taylor Hawkins died in his hotel room on
- 39:53Speaker 1: March twenty fifth, twenty twenty two, and over forty booked
- 39:57Speaker 1: Food Fighters shows were then Can't their drummer had passed
- 40:02Speaker 1: away with a lot of drugs in his system. If
- 40:06Speaker 1: we're to believe the Columbia Attorney General's Office, the preliminary
- 40:10Speaker 1: toxicology report states that Taylor had a mix of ten
- 40:13Speaker 1: different substances in his system, including opioids, antidepressants, benzodiazepines, and marijuana,
- 40:19Speaker 1: among others. This report is, as I said, preliminary, and
- 40:24Speaker 1: there was never a final report. What are they waiting
- 40:27Speaker 1: for the reincarnation of John Bonham. It's not happening. Give
- 40:30Speaker 1: us the damn report. Also, guys, this is Colombia. Okay,
- 40:36Speaker 1: you think our government institutions are corrupt, It's a whole
- 40:39Speaker 1: other ballgame of corruption down there. But okay, sure, what
- 40:43Speaker 1: incentive would the Columbia Attorney General's Office have to lie
- 40:47Speaker 1: about an American rock and roll drummer's fatal drug intake.
- 40:50Speaker 1: I don't know. But the result is we don't have
- 40:53Speaker 1: a final toxicology report on Taylor Hawkins's death, and we
- 40:57Speaker 1: also still don't have an official cause of death for
- 40:59Speaker 1: Taylor Hawkins, four years after he died. I'll say that again.
- 41:04Speaker 1: It's been four years and there's still no official cause
- 41:08Speaker 1: of death for one of the most famous drummers on
- 41:11Speaker 1: the planet. This makes no sense. I suppose if Taylor
- 41:21Speaker 1: was getting high and that was how he died, you
- 41:23Speaker 1: could understand how his bandmates, management, and friends would circle
- 41:27Speaker 1: the wagons to protect his reputation, given that he was
- 41:30Speaker 1: a husband and a father, and well, one could easily
- 41:32Speaker 1: make the case that none of this is any of
- 41:34Speaker 1: our fucking business. But this is the twenty first century.
- 41:38Speaker 1: This isn't the nineteen fifties. People suffer and die from
- 41:41Speaker 1: addiction every day, rock stars and celebrities every year, and
- 41:45Speaker 1: we are more understanding and forgiving and empathetic of this
- 41:48Speaker 1: disease than we've ever been, So the shame argument doesn't
- 41:52Speaker 1: make sense. Also, I'm not even close to convince that
- 41:55Speaker 1: Taylor actually overdosed from using drugs recreationally. Ten substances in
- 42:00Speaker 1: the system sounds like somebody getting freaky with this chemistry set,
- 42:03Speaker 1: But the way people self medicate these days, ten substances
- 42:06Speaker 1: in one system is a lot, yes, but it doesn't
- 42:09Speaker 1: necessarily mean someone was partying. Also, again we're talking about
- 42:13Speaker 1: Colombian government officials here. After his death, it was revealed
- 42:20Speaker 1: that Taylor Hawkins's heart was twice the size of a
- 42:23Speaker 1: normal heart. It weighed six hundred grams an enlarged heart
- 42:28Speaker 1: can be caused by chronic high blood pressure, which can
- 42:31Speaker 1: be caused by physical over exertion. It can also be
- 42:34Speaker 1: caused by over relying on substances, physical overexertion, a reliance
- 42:41Speaker 1: on substances. Why won't the Food Fighters or anyone else
- 42:45Speaker 1: put these pieces together and declare an official cause of
- 42:48Speaker 1: death for one of the greatest drummers to ever do it? Maybe,
- 42:53Speaker 1: and I'm just speculating here, maybe a known physical condition
- 42:57Speaker 1: and a reliance on chemical substances, the exact types of
- 43:01Speaker 1: extenuating circumstances that insurance companies like to exploit in cases
- 43:05Speaker 1: like this to get themselves off the hook from having
- 43:09Speaker 1: to pay artists for canceled shows, which is a disgrace.
- 43:15Speaker 1: I'm Jake Brennan in this is Disgraceland.
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