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The Ancient Ones: The True Story of the UFO Contacts of Don Anderson · UFOS & PARANORMAL WITH PRESTON DENNETT

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Speaker 1: Hello, everyone. My name is Preston Dennett, and welcome to
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Speaker 1: a new episode of UFOs and the Paranormal. I call
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Speaker 1: this episode The Ancient Ones, the true story of the
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Speaker 1: UFO contacts of Don Anderson. Don Anderson is a quiet
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Speaker 1: and unassuming gentleman from a little town in Utah called
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Speaker 1: Spanish Forks. He's had experiences his whole life, UFO sightings, landings,
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Speaker 1: onboard encounters, many deeply spiritual experiences, a wide variety of
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Speaker 1: paranormal activity, all of which is connected to his UFO contacts.
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Speaker 1: He's had contact not only with gray-type ETs, but praying
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Speaker 1: mantis and human-looking ETs as well. It's really quite a
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Speaker 1: story with a lot of unique elements and a lot
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Speaker 1: to say about what it's like to have ET contact,
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Speaker 1: and the nature of the phenomena and the ET agenda
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Speaker 1: on our planet. So that's why I wanted to present
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Speaker 1: his story to you today. In this episode, I'm going
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Speaker 1: to play first-hand clips of the interview I did with
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Speaker 1: Don so you can hear him tell his own story
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Speaker 1: in his own words. Although Don is a contactee, he
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Speaker 1: had no idea about this until he was 24 years old.
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Speaker 1: At that time, he was a very religious man. He
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Speaker 1: had a four-year-old son, and he was living alone, as
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Speaker 1: I said, in this little town called Spanish Forks. And
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Speaker 1: one evening, he woke up to see a gray entering
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Speaker 1: into his room and coming for his four-year-old son, coming
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Speaker 1: to take his son away. Don jumped out of bed
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Speaker 1: and said, No, you're not taking him unless I can
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Speaker 1: go along with him. And what was really remarkable is
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Speaker 1: Don felt no fear. And in fact, seeing this gray alien,
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Speaker 1: he suddenly recognized this ET as a friend, someone he's
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Speaker 1: seen many times before. And this gray agreed to take
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Speaker 1: Don on board with his son. So this is how
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Speaker 1: it all began for Don. At the time, he was
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Speaker 1: very religious. He had no idea that things like this
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Speaker 1: could happen. but I'll just let Don describe in his
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Speaker 1: own words how this experience began.
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Speaker 2: One of the reasons I went, it's like they came
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Speaker 2: for my son, they actually came for both of us,
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Speaker 2: but when they came for us, I looked at my
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Speaker 2: son and I looked at the grave being, and there
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Speaker 2: was a grave that was floating in the room that
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Speaker 2: was initially the one that came and got us, and
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Speaker 2: he pointed at my son like he wanted to take
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Speaker 2: my son, and I said, oh, you know what, you know,
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Speaker 2: Let me go with you. If I go with you,
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Speaker 2: then he's going to be okay and he's not going
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Speaker 2: to freak out. Okay? And it's like I recognized this
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Speaker 2: gray being. He'd been around forever, you know? So it
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Speaker 2: was kind of like a friend of mine. I was
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Speaker 2: very comfortable with him. And, yeah, this little gray being
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Speaker 2: was like my teacher. They got me and my son.
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Speaker 2: We went right through the walls of the house. We
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Speaker 2: actually went through the ground, through the walls of the house.
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Speaker 2: out in the atmosphere, and it was just like going
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Speaker 2: in a giant vacuum. I mean, you could not hear anything.
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Speaker 2: It was just eerily quiet and, you know, but yet
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Speaker 2: you could see the neighbor houses and you could see
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Speaker 2: the ship across the field and all this kind of stuff.
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Speaker 1: So once on board this craft, Don was greeted by
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Speaker 1: a human-looking woman dressed in a brown and orange jumpsuit.
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Speaker 1: who proceeded to have a conversation with him. And again,
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Speaker 1: I'll just let Don describe this conversation in his own words.
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Speaker 2: There's a lady who escorted me around the ship. And
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Speaker 2: she was, you know, a typical human-looking Nordic type of
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Speaker 2: a being. You know, I was dressed in some sort
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Speaker 2: of orange and brown jumpsuit. And she was like my escort.
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Speaker 2: She's kind of guided me around the ship. I had
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Speaker 2: an issue that was going on with my stomach. It
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Speaker 2: was a really, really bad case of irritable bowel at
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Speaker 2: the time. And I looked at her and I said, hey,
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Speaker 2: you know, is there something you can do? I mean,
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Speaker 2: we were speaking telepathically as we were walking along. I said,
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Speaker 2: is there something you can do to help me? I said,
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Speaker 2: this is just hurting. I've got to get this healed.
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Speaker 2: And she just laughed at me. And she thought that
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Speaker 2: was so funny, and I'm thinking to myself, well, no,
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Speaker 2: you really hurt me, lady. I'm asking you seriously for
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Speaker 2: some help, and you're laughing at me. And then she
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Speaker 2: looked at me and looked right in my eyes, and
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Speaker 2: she says, don't worry about it. You're going to be okay.
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Speaker 2: And later on, it pretty much showed itself up for
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Speaker 2: the most part. I've never been seriously bothered with it
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Speaker 2: since then.
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Speaker 1: So after speaking with this lady for a few moments,
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Speaker 1: she guided him down a corridor that to an archway
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Speaker 1: and into another room. Inside this room, Don was amazed
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Speaker 1: to see his son there playing with another child about
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Speaker 1: the same age. They were playing with this weird device
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Speaker 1: which was spraying what looked like sparkly blue light all
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Speaker 1: over them. They were having a lot of fun with it,
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Speaker 1: so Don wasn't concerned. And I will just let Don
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Speaker 1: describe this whole encounter again in his own words.
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Speaker 2: There was a little boy that my son ran into
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Speaker 2: that they were playing with. Okay, now this is kind
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Speaker 2: of bizarre because what was going on with him was
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Speaker 2: that they had taken him and they were doing something
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Speaker 2: with him. And so anyway, they took him on a
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Speaker 2: trip and.
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Speaker 2: As we're walking along this corridor on the ship, there's
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Speaker 2: an archway off to the right-hand side of us. We stop,
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Speaker 2: we look in, and there's my son with this little
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Speaker 2: boy who's about his same age. And they're standing around
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Speaker 2: a vertical shaft that's going through the center of the ship.
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Speaker 2: And around it is like a little catwalk. And hanging
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Speaker 2: on this vertical shaft is what looks like a shower
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Speaker 2: massage unit. Okay, and I would watch, I'd watch them
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Speaker 2: as one of them would grab the shower massage unit,
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Speaker 2: they'd hold it on his head, you'd see this blue
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Speaker 2: stream of, it looked like electricity or something, just roll
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Speaker 2: down their bodies and dissolve into the catwalk. And they
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Speaker 2: would break out laughing, one of them would break out laughing,
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Speaker 2: whoever was holding it over their head and This was happening.
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Speaker 2: They'd break out laughing because it must have tickled or something.
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Speaker 2: And they were fighting over this. And his little buddy
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Speaker 2: would grab it, put it over his head, and the
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Speaker 2: same thing would happen. And, you know, it would go
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Speaker 2: back and forth. And it was like, well, there he is.
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Speaker 2: You see him. He's okay. And we continued on with
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Speaker 2: what we were doing. So there was this little kid
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Speaker 2: that he met.
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Speaker 1: So seeing that his son was okay, he turned back
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Speaker 1: to this lady who had a message for him. she
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Speaker 1: proceeded to give him a number of predictions and prophecies
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Speaker 1: pretty much all about his personal life, his relationships. And again,
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Speaker 1: I will let Don describe how this conversation unfolded.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, my son was four years old. He would be
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Speaker 2: five that year, and I was going to be 25
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Speaker 2: that year. So he was four years old, and he...
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Speaker 2: Met a young kid on the ship who later turned
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Speaker 2: out to be his friend that he ran into like
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Speaker 2: about six months later. And they showed me a lot
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Speaker 2: of stuff that happened in my life that came true.
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Speaker 2: You know, they showed me a lady who says, hey,
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Speaker 2: you're going to meet this lady. And I did hear
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Speaker 2: about five years ago I met her. And there were
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Speaker 2: some really odd circumstances. Then we were shown a few things.
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Speaker 2: The things that we were shown all came about. They've
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Speaker 2: all happened. So it was kind of a deja vu
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Speaker 2: type of thing as well.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, as it turned out, Don would later meet
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Speaker 1: this woman. And it was quite a series of synchronistic
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Speaker 1: events that these ETs predicted, and they all came true.
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Speaker 1: Following this encounter, Don and his son were led back
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Speaker 1: to their home and into the bedroom. And as it
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Speaker 1: turned out, the other little boy was apparently brought along
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Speaker 1: as well. Though at some point he must have been
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Speaker 1: returned to the craft because when they woke up, he
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Speaker 1: was no longer there. But I will let Don describe
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Speaker 1: how they were returned to their house.
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Speaker 2: And, you know, before we were actually placed back in
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Speaker 2: our beds, we were in the living room. We were
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Speaker 2: placed in the living room towards the end of all this.
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Speaker 2: And you could see across the street the ship was hovering.
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Speaker 2: It was making some sort of noise. It was just
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Speaker 2: kind of coming right off to the right left hand
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Speaker 2: side of me where i could hear somebody scuffling so
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Speaker 2: i look over and it's him and his friend that
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Speaker 2: he was on the ship with and they were kind
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Speaker 2: of scuffling you know they're doing their kid thing they're
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Speaker 2: just you know mess around and you know kind of
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Speaker 2: sparring with each other this was actually one of his
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Speaker 2: turned out to be his best friend that showed up
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Speaker 2: later on about six months later they spent You know,
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Speaker 2: the next six or seven years as best buddies, you know,
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Speaker 2: these things just came about. They were there. It happened, so. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And that just, that opened up the floodgates, to be
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Speaker 2: honest with you. It was like, there was so much
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Speaker 2: ET activity that went on after that. And when she
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Speaker 2: sent me back to my bed, I had immediate knowledge.
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Speaker 2: It was kind of like a.
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Speaker 2: A near-death experience, except it was a UFO remembrance experience
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Speaker 2: of all these experiences I had all the way up
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Speaker 2: to and including before I was born. And it just
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Speaker 2: kind of popped in like... Your eye flashes before your
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Speaker 2: eyes when somebody dies. It was like a UFO event
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Speaker 2: of all these events that had happened. Some of them
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Speaker 2: I was a little bit aware of. Some of them
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Speaker 2: I had no idea about. But it happened up to
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Speaker 2: that point in my life. And it just kind of
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Speaker 2: totally blew me away. I had no idea that this
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Speaker 2: kind of stuff was going on out there in the universe.
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Speaker 2: I didn't know where to go, how to deal with it,
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Speaker 2: or There was really nobody out there. So it just
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Speaker 2: kind of led me on a lifelong search of what
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Speaker 2: was going on because I couldn't find any answers from anybody.
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Speaker 2: When I woke up, I was just blown away. I
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Speaker 2: couldn't understand what was happening. So it was a lifelong search.
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Speaker 2: I was in a little town in Utah. It was
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Speaker 2: in central Utah, not too far away from Salt Lake City.
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Speaker 2: But all this happened. At the time, I... You know,
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Speaker 2: I was pretty religious. I didn't drink. I didn't smoke.
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Speaker 2: I didn't do any of that kind of stuff. You know,
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Speaker 2: I was pretty straight-laced. And so it was just like,
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Speaker 2: this stuff shouldn't be happening. You know, now all of
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Speaker 2: a sudden there's this world out there of these beings
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Speaker 2: and they're human-looking and that they're not from Earth.
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Speaker 1: So this experience turned Don's life upside down He said
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Speaker 1: it was very much like having a near-death experience because
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Speaker 1: when he saw this gray and after being taken on board,
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Speaker 1: it was like having a life review. He suddenly remembered
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Speaker 1: all these events from his childhood onward which had made
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Speaker 1: no sense to him. These were weird events that he
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Speaker 1: had overlooked, denied, refused to think about, explained away as
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Speaker 1: something normal. But now he realized he was a contactee.
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Speaker 1: And he remembered many events which turned out to be
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Speaker 1: direct UFO contact stretching not only to his childhood, but
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Speaker 1: to pre-life. And in fact, he remembered this gray taking
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Speaker 1: him to his mother's hospital room when she was giving
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Speaker 1: birth to Don. So he was actually there witnessing his
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Speaker 1: own birth. And I'll just let Don describe this absolutely
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Speaker 1: incredible and unique event in his own words.
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Speaker 2: He was the one who introduced me to my mom
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Speaker 2: in the operating room when she was, you know, before
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Speaker 2: she was ready to give birth to me, while she
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Speaker 2: was giving birth. So he was the one who was
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Speaker 2: escorting me into that operating room. And he's just showing
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Speaker 2: up again to continue on with whatever it is they do.
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Speaker 1: Another thing he remembered following this 1984 encounter were the
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Speaker 1: many times strange beings, a strange figure, would enter into
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Speaker 1: his bedroom. He described it as looking almost like an
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Speaker 1: ape and it would always frighten him. Sometimes the room
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Speaker 1: would fill with light and this being would appear, poke
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Speaker 1: at him, pull on his blanket, sometimes actually pick him
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Speaker 1: up and lead him out of the room through the wall.
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Speaker 1: He remembered that happening many times, dozens if not hundreds.
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Speaker 1: And sometimes he would remember being taken back into his
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Speaker 1: room and placed back in bed. He, of course, told
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Speaker 1: his mom, who freaked out. She called the police. The
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Speaker 1: police could find no evidence of any intruders. They called
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Speaker 1: the doctor, and the doctor examined Don and pretty much
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Speaker 1: concluded that Don must be having nightmares. Don disagrees with this.
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Speaker 1: He was always awake when this happened, and he believes
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Speaker 1: these were entirely physical events.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, as a little kid, as a little kid
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Speaker 2: in Spanish War, there was just, that was a little
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Speaker 2: farming horse community. You only had maybe a couple thousand
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Speaker 2: people living in it at the time. This was also
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Speaker 2: a rural country at the time. Right. They used to
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Speaker 2: come in and get me at night. There was a
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Speaker 2: period of about a month there where it was just
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Speaker 2: like a house of whores. Yeah, literally. It was like
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Speaker 2: my mom was beside herself, you know. She couldn't figure
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Speaker 2: out what was going on. But we had the police
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Speaker 2: over and everything, you know. I mean, we had the police,
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Speaker 2: the doctors would come over. Everybody would be over all
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Speaker 2: the time because we'd wake up and I would wake
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Speaker 2: up screaming my head off in the middle of the night,
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Speaker 2: you know.
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Speaker 3: The, if you've seen Communion, okay, you remember the time
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Speaker 3: where Whitley, who's played by Christopher Walken, was dancing for
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Speaker 3: that little alien creature.
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Speaker 2: That kind of looked like an old, small little ape
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Speaker 2: or troll or something? Okay, that little creature would come
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Speaker 2: and get me at night. It'd scare the hell out
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Speaker 2: of me. All right. And he would just walk through
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Speaker 2: the walls, and I knew when he was coming, I
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Speaker 2: would sit up there in the corner and pull the
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Speaker 2: sheets tied across my body, and he would come in
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Speaker 2: and try to tickle me, stick his fingers up underneath
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Speaker 2: my arms, and it would scare the hell out of me.
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Speaker 2: And he would pick me up and he would walk
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Speaker 2: me through the walls. And then he would put me
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Speaker 2: back in bed, and after he put me back in bed,
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Speaker 2: I'd wake up screaming, telling my mom that the ape
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Speaker 2: man had come and got me, and The egg man
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Speaker 2: was coming, and so she's calling the police, and the
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Speaker 2: police would go around, and they'd look around the yard, and,
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Speaker 2: you know, they'd never find any footprints, so the doctor
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Speaker 2: would come over.
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Speaker 1: Another really strange event that sticks out in Don's mind
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Speaker 1: occurred when he was about 10 years old. He and
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Speaker 1: his friend and their two brothers, their two little brothers,
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Speaker 1: decided that they were going to go camping out in
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Speaker 1: the front yard of their home. And the Little brothers
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Speaker 1: fell asleep while Don and his friend stayed awake late
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Speaker 1: into the evening, and it was around 2 a.m. or
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Speaker 1: so when suddenly they had an incredible UFO display. It
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Speaker 1: really shocked them. They went running into the house of
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Speaker 1: Don's friends to try and wake up his parents, who
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Speaker 1: would not wake up. It's an incredible event that ended
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Speaker 1: up being an abduction. And I will just let Don
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Speaker 1: describe this whole event in his own words.
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Speaker 2: That night, we decided we were going to sleep out
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Speaker 2: in the front yard. And there were four of us.
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Speaker 2: There was me, my little brother, and the two neighbor
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Speaker 2: kids that lived down the road. And that night, for
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Speaker 2: whatever reason, there were two of us who stayed awake.
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Speaker 2: We couldn't get to sleep. We woke up in the
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Speaker 2: middle of the night. And we were messing around with
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Speaker 2: our brothers, trying to get them to wake up, and
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Speaker 2: they wouldn't wake up, and we weren't hearing the dogs
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Speaker 2: or anything. So we thought, well, this is a restraint.
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Speaker 2: Let's go down to your house, which is like about
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Speaker 2: four houses down the street, and, you know, see what's
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Speaker 2: going on. So we go in there, and their parents
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Speaker 2: were asleep, and they didn't wake up. Nobody would wake
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Speaker 2: up at their house. We were sitting out on the
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Speaker 2: front porch eating an apple, maybe two or three in
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Speaker 2: the morning. I'm not sure what time it was. staring
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Speaker 2: out in the sky and all of a sudden you
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Speaker 2: could see this like great big old fireworks display start
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Speaker 2: going off in the sky up above our heads. Right? Right.
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Speaker 2: And you're just fascinated. You could see these orbs of
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Speaker 2: life just flying across the sky and it kept on
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Speaker 2: going for like about 10 or 15 minutes and then
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Speaker 2: all of a sudden you could see the edge of
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Speaker 2: the ship just kind of poke through like this. I
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Speaker 2: don't know where it was coming from but it just
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Speaker 2: kind of pokes through the sky and And this great
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Speaker 2: big ship starts forming and coming out of, I don't
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Speaker 2: know where it came out of. It was like it
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Speaker 2: was coming out of a cloud, right? But there weren't
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Speaker 2: any clouds. And that night we were taken again. I
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Speaker 2: remember his dad's bed shaking him, trying to get him up.
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Speaker 2: I'm saying, you've got to get up. Get up, get up.
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Speaker 2: But I was shaking as hard as I could trying
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Speaker 2: to get him up. And nobody was waking up. And
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Speaker 2: so they came and they got us that night too.
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Speaker 2: So that was one that I didn't have any idea
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Speaker 2: about until, you know, that night in June of 84.
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Speaker 2: I didn't remember it at all. All I remember is
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Speaker 2: waking up in the yard and Richard, who is my
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Speaker 2: friend's brother, older brother, had grass all over his head
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Speaker 2: that we piled up on him at night that we
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Speaker 2: didn't remember doing. And Something that scared him so bad
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Speaker 2: he'd wet his pants.
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Speaker 1: So that's what Don remembers. The last thing he remembers
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Speaker 1: consciously is being in his friend's house trying to wake
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Speaker 1: up his parents, and that's when Graze appeared. So that's
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Speaker 1: probably when they were taken or perhaps returned. It was
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Speaker 1: years later that Don did undergo hypnotic regression to this event,
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Speaker 1: and he was surprised to find himself being taken on
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Speaker 1: board a craft where he met greys. This was not
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Speaker 1: a fearful experience for him. In fact, the greys were
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Speaker 1: teaching him. They were teaching him how to do telekinesis,
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Speaker 1: and they were also showing him their technology and showing
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Speaker 1: him how to operate it. So this was quite an
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Speaker 1: interesting experience for him and it certainly was not his
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Speaker 1: last experience. It was four years later when he had
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Speaker 1: another major encounter. This was something he was never able
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Speaker 1: to explain. All he remembered was he was hiking outside
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Speaker 1: of his home one evening. He was about 14 years
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Speaker 1: old and he became disoriented. All he really remembers is
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Speaker 1: suddenly being confronted by a herd of skunks and being
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Speaker 1: chased down the mountain by them. He sometimes thought perhaps
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Speaker 1: it was coyotes. He really wasn't sure. And it wasn't
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Speaker 1: until this 1984 experience that he suddenly remembered this event
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Speaker 1: as well. And what he remembered was being taken on
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Speaker 1: board a craft. It had landed. He was taken on board.
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Speaker 1: Inside it was very clean. There were all these computer-like screens.
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Speaker 1: And I will just let Don again describe this in
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Speaker 1: his own words.
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Speaker 2: You know, I was 14 years old. I was stuck
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Speaker 2: up in the canyon. It was about 10 miles away
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Speaker 2: from anybody. There was nobody up there at all, just me. And, uh,
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Speaker 2: I had an experience up there where I had thought,
21:20
Speaker 2: this is going to sound really weird, but I had
21:23
Speaker 2: thought I had been chased down the canyon by a
21:26
Speaker 2: herd of skunks. You know, and, uh, because I could
21:32
Speaker 2: hear them off in the brush as they were chasing
21:34
Speaker 2: me down the road and I told the kids in
21:38
Speaker 2: school about it the next day when I got back
21:41
Speaker 2: down the canyon or two days later when school started
21:43
Speaker 2: when I got back down the canyon what had happened
21:46
Speaker 2: and they all laughed at me and said yeah oh
21:48
Speaker 2: yeah that's funny and that turned into be a full
21:53
Speaker 2: fledged abduction encounter where they had trapped me in a
22:00
Speaker 2: a place in the canyon so that they could, you know,
22:02
Speaker 2: take me and I was actually on a ship. Have
22:05
Speaker 2: you ever heard of Bob Lazar when he describes that ship?
22:09
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're familiar with some of the
22:11
Speaker 2: things he's talked about, but he described a ship that
22:13
Speaker 2: he saw at Area 51. Okay, that ship that he
22:18
Speaker 2: was talking about was the exact same ship that they
22:22
Speaker 2: took me from. but it was used before Bob Lazar
22:27
Speaker 2: had been to Area 51, and he had described the
22:30
Speaker 2: exact same ship that I was in. Yeah, and so,
22:33
Speaker 2: you know, whatever you want to think about Bob Lazar,
22:35
Speaker 2: good for better or for worse. A lot of people say, yeah,
22:37
Speaker 2: he's full of huffy, and some people say he's a
22:39
Speaker 2: real deal. I believe in New South Wales because there's
22:42
Speaker 2: no way you can make the exact description of the
22:45
Speaker 2: place that I had been and the type of ship
22:47
Speaker 2: that I had been in, uh, To be so precise
22:51
Speaker 2: like that. And the screens that they had on the
22:54
Speaker 2: ship were ultra high def. I mean, it's like the
22:57
Speaker 2: OLED TVs that we have today. That's the kind of
23:01
Speaker 2: screen that you were seeing when the ships opened. You
23:05
Speaker 2: know when the vision opened up and you could see
23:07
Speaker 2: outside the ship? That's the kind of screens that they had,
23:10
Speaker 2: but it was way, way before high def. We didn't
23:12
Speaker 2: have any idea what high def was back then. And
23:15
Speaker 2: all these kind of experiences just popped up, and it's like,
23:18
Speaker 2: oh my God, and they related directly to things that
23:21
Speaker 2: had gone on in my life, but I wasn't, I
23:24
Speaker 2: knew that something weird had happened, but I wasn't sure
23:27
Speaker 2: what it was, so I just shut up about it
23:29
Speaker 2: because I couldn't explain it.
23:32
Speaker 1: So he remembered this much consciously, being taken on board
23:35
Speaker 1: and seeing Greys, but he did undergo hypnosis, and under hypnosis,
23:41
Speaker 1: he recalled that this UFO actually took off, They went way,
23:45
Speaker 1: way far away. He feels like they went way deep
23:48
Speaker 1: into the Milky Way. And he saw all kinds of
23:52
Speaker 1: stars around him. They came up to another very large
23:55
Speaker 1: donut-shaped craft. He was transported into this much larger craft.
24:01
Speaker 1: And on board this larger craft, he saw human-looking ETs,
24:06
Speaker 1: who he said were very wise. And they actually took
24:11
Speaker 1: him to meet who he believes was his deceased father.
24:16
Speaker 1: Don's father died when he was three years old, but
24:19
Speaker 1: he got to meet him on board this craft. So
24:22
Speaker 1: that was really unusual. And then he was taken into
24:27
Speaker 1: another room. And in this room, there were 15 to
24:31
Speaker 1: 20 other children, all about Don's age. There was also
24:37
Speaker 1: a very old-looking, half-human, half... gray ET hybrid and this
24:47
Speaker 1: hybrid was teaching all the children including Don in alien
24:52
Speaker 1: language so that was what he recalled at age 14
25:00
Speaker 1: and following this 1984 experience it woke up Don's psychic
25:05
Speaker 1: abilities he started having all kinds of out-of-body experiences really
25:10
Speaker 1: profound ones, where he was taken to other dimensions, to
25:14
Speaker 1: what he believes are other planets, where he met high-level
25:17
Speaker 1: entities and would converse with them. He started having a
25:21
Speaker 1: lot of paranormal experiences, including precognition, psychic reading, he could
25:28
Speaker 1: see people's past lives, and it was just off the charts,
25:33
Speaker 1: completely changed his life. And his experiences, of course, continued.
25:39
Speaker 1: It was some years later, following this 1984 experience, that
25:44
Speaker 1: he had one of the most profound onboard UFO experiences
25:49
Speaker 1: of his entire life. He and his friends, who were
25:53
Speaker 1: also contactees, a group of about four of them, decided
25:57
Speaker 1: that they were going to go up into the mountains
26:00
Speaker 1: of the Wintaw Basin in Utah. This is not far
26:03
Speaker 1: from Skinwalker Ranch, actually. And they were going to try
26:08
Speaker 1: to contact the mantis-like ETs. They were all interested in
26:13
Speaker 1: this type of ET and wondered what it would be
26:16
Speaker 1: like to meet them. So they all were meditating on this.
26:20
Speaker 1: They went up into the mountains. One of them had
26:23
Speaker 1: a trailer where they could stay. And that evening, they
26:28
Speaker 1: had a major encounter. They not only saw a UFO,
26:34
Speaker 1: But the mantids showed up and each of them had
26:37
Speaker 1: a very profound and very personal encounter with them. And
26:42
Speaker 1: I'll just let Don describe his own encounter with these
26:46
Speaker 1: mantis-like beings in his own words.
26:48
Speaker 2: I had a encounter with the praying mantis creatures after that.
26:51
Speaker 2: Me and three other people in the mountains of northeastern Utah.
26:55
Speaker 2: You know where the Skinwalker Ranch is? It's not too
26:59
Speaker 2: far away from the Skinwalker Ranch. It's a little community
27:02
Speaker 2: called Fruitland. I had a friend who's got a trailer
27:06
Speaker 2: up there. And we went and stayed in the trailer
27:09
Speaker 2: up there. We had an experience with the praying mantis
27:13
Speaker 2: that pretty much just changed your whole life. I mean...
27:18
Speaker 2: You know, when you meet with these guys, at least
27:21
Speaker 2: these particular things that I met with, there's nothing that
27:27
Speaker 2: you can describe it to. It's just totally out of
27:31
Speaker 2: this world. We decided that we were going to go
27:34
Speaker 2: up in the, four of us were going to go
27:37
Speaker 2: camping up this trailer in Cleveland, and we wanted to
27:40
Speaker 2: have an experience, an encounter of some sort. And so
27:43
Speaker 2: we kind of decided, yeah, the praying mantis would hurt
27:46
Speaker 2: about a month, you know, They didn't really know much
27:49
Speaker 2: of anything about him at the time. And so, oh,
27:51
Speaker 2: let's have an experience and see if we can call
27:54
Speaker 2: the praying man. It's just kind of an experiment that
27:57
Speaker 2: we were doing. And that night, we were sitting out
28:02
Speaker 2: on the front porch, and you could see it was cloudy.
28:05
Speaker 2: It had been just a little bit of sprinkling. It
28:06
Speaker 2: was cloudy that night, overcast. The sky just parted. It
28:12
Speaker 2: was like a great big donut hole pops up into
28:14
Speaker 2: the sky and, you know, this great big circle formed
28:17
Speaker 2: over our heads and you could see stars and everything
28:19
Speaker 2: up in the sky that you'd never seen before. I mean,
28:22
Speaker 2: it was just like looking up there and saying, I
28:24
Speaker 2: don't recognize any of these stars. But it was beautiful
28:27
Speaker 2: and you could see this ship. It was a triangular
28:31
Speaker 2: ship that was up there kind of bouncing around inside
28:35
Speaker 2: this circle. Like, you got the impression it was kind
28:38
Speaker 2: of clearing this space out for us. It wasn't too
28:42
Speaker 2: long after that that we started hearing these chirping sounds.
28:44
Speaker 2: It was like... You know, clicking. Right. And you'd see
28:51
Speaker 2: these figures moving up and down the road, and you
28:55
Speaker 2: could see them kind of like a shadow creature. You
28:59
Speaker 2: would see a shadow creature, except you could see that
29:02
Speaker 2: they're these praying mantis-looking beings that are like nine feet tall.
29:06
Speaker 2: You know, just huge. And they showed up to... our
29:11
Speaker 2: camp right there, you know? And how we got, we
29:15
Speaker 2: became aware of them is that there's an outhouse in
29:20
Speaker 2: the backyard and, you know, you have to walk around
29:23
Speaker 2: the trailer near the backyard because that's the way that
29:26
Speaker 2: you had to, you know, go to the bathroom. And
29:29
Speaker 2: the air behind the trailer dropped by about 20 degrees,
29:35
Speaker 2: you know? I mean, they took the change so drastically that,
29:38
Speaker 2: you know, it was really kind of bizarre. I mean,
29:43
Speaker 2: and looking off into the fields right there, you could
29:45
Speaker 2: see these beings running around, and all of a sudden
29:48
Speaker 2: they just started approaching us. And by approaching us, I mean,
29:53
Speaker 2: I would go in the backyard, and I would say, hey,
29:55
Speaker 2: I want to see you. And then one of them
29:57
Speaker 2: would show up next to me and he would say,
29:59
Speaker 2: are you sure you want to see me? I said, yeah,
30:03
Speaker 2: I want to see you. He says, are you sure
30:04
Speaker 2: you want to see me? I said, yeah, I want
30:05
Speaker 2: to see you. And then he would say no, but
30:07
Speaker 2: he would run off. But you would hear him running
30:11
Speaker 2: off and you could see him and you could hear
30:13
Speaker 2: the voices in your head and all that kind of thing.
30:16
Speaker 2: So I did this twice and the second time I
30:18
Speaker 2: did it, I could feel his like, it was an arm,
30:22
Speaker 2: but it was kind of looked like a little bit
30:24
Speaker 2: like a praying mantis wing in a way. but it
30:28
Speaker 2: was his arm, and he placed it over my shoulder.
30:30
Speaker 2: You could see this blue electrical energy just flow all
30:34
Speaker 2: the way down my back. And I asked him the
30:38
Speaker 2: same question, and I said, well, I want to see you.
30:40
Speaker 2: And the third time, he said, no, not yet. You're
30:43
Speaker 2: not quite ready, you know, to see us. And so
30:46
Speaker 2: I walked back out front, and we're sitting down, and
30:48
Speaker 2: everybody was sitting around the porch looking out in the
30:50
Speaker 2: front yard, and you could see out in the front
30:52
Speaker 2: yard that one of my friends had actually was standing
30:55
Speaker 2: out there with one of these things that it picked
30:58
Speaker 2: her up, raised her about three feet off the ground,
31:01
Speaker 2: you know, and I was looking at her, like, right
31:03
Speaker 2: in the eyes, and then you could see her slowly
31:06
Speaker 2: start settling back down on the ground again, I mean, literally,
31:09
Speaker 2: she was, like, up off the ground, this thing picked
31:11
Speaker 2: her up, you know, and they were all.
31:16
Speaker 3: Just running around, and we were just sitting there kind of.
31:18
Speaker 2: Amazed, watching them running around, and the energy was just
31:20
Speaker 2: totally different, and they were doing their thing, and we
31:25
Speaker 2: were doing our thing, and Then the clouds kind of
31:28
Speaker 2: came back and they disappeared. And so we sat on
31:32
Speaker 2: a porch for about a half hour after they'd gone.
31:36
Speaker 2: And nobody said a word. And then all of a
31:38
Speaker 2: sudden we all looked at each other. It was bedtime.
31:39
Speaker 2: That's when we all went to bed. I mean, just
31:41
Speaker 2: like as fast as we could get to bed, we
31:43
Speaker 2: went to bed.
31:44
Speaker 1: So after this long series of face-to-face encounters with the mantids,
31:50
Speaker 1: suddenly and without any warning, everyone felt compelled to just
31:54
Speaker 1: go to bed. There was no discussion about what happened.
31:58
Speaker 1: There was no talking. Everyone, just like zombies almost, went
32:02
Speaker 1: directly to bed. And it turned out many of them
32:07
Speaker 1: did have an onboard experience that night, including Don. In fact,
32:13
Speaker 1: as soon as Don went into bed, the next thing
32:15
Speaker 1: he remembers, and this is fully consciously, is walking down
32:20
Speaker 1: a dirt road near this trailer and into what It
32:24
Speaker 1: was like a portal or a doorway, and he found
32:27
Speaker 1: himself on board what was presumably this huge triangular craft
32:32
Speaker 1: that they had seen. There were mantids on board. This
32:36
Speaker 1: is a long and extensive experience. The mantid began to
32:41
Speaker 1: talk to Don. First, he was taken to be decontaminated.
32:47
Speaker 1: He was shown this device, much like a crystal ball,
32:51
Speaker 1: which showed him various events in his life. It was
32:53
Speaker 1: taken for a very interesting sort of telepathic communication event
32:58
Speaker 1: with other entities. And I will just let Don describe
33:02
Speaker 1: in his own words this really fascinating onboard encounter.
33:07
Speaker 2: It was a dirt road. It was a country road,
33:09
Speaker 2: you know. I was walking up the road and there's
33:11
Speaker 2: this kind of a portal door that appeared over this ravine.
33:19
Speaker 2: And they had me walk through this portal door, and
33:22
Speaker 2: as I walked through this portal door, it's like I
33:24
Speaker 2: walked right into their ship with the thing who had
33:28
Speaker 2: placed his arm around me, he was there kind of
33:31
Speaker 2: like waiting for me. Okay? And it was one of
33:34
Speaker 2: these triangular ships that you hear about, the great big old,
33:40
Speaker 2: you know, 300-foot-long triangular ships with the orange ball in
33:44
Speaker 2: the middle. And I found myself right in the middle
33:47
Speaker 2: of this ship, and there's a catwalk that we were
33:49
Speaker 2: walking down. He was by the side, and we were
33:52
Speaker 2: walking down the catwalk towards the middle of the ship.
33:54
Speaker 2: It's like the catwalk was coming from each corner, right
33:58
Speaker 2: to the center. And right in the center, I could
33:59
Speaker 2: look down, and I could see the orange ball in
34:02
Speaker 2: the middle of the ship below us. And there was
34:06
Speaker 2: a podium right in front of us, you know. And
34:10
Speaker 2: that podium, it had a little ball on top, and
34:13
Speaker 2: it had, like, If you do like the Spock salute,
34:18
Speaker 2: you could place your hand right on that ball and
34:21
Speaker 2: it would, a big screen would pop up and it
34:23
Speaker 2: would show you your past, I mean, your life events,
34:26
Speaker 2: your future life and past life. And you watch it
34:29
Speaker 2: kind of flow past you as you had your hand
34:33
Speaker 2: on this little ball. And I looked at him and
34:36
Speaker 2: I said, well, what is this? And he thought for
34:38
Speaker 2: a couple of seconds trying to figure out what the
34:40
Speaker 2: words were for it. And he says, oh, this is
34:41
Speaker 2: deja vu. Yeah. which is basically scenes of your future life.
34:49
Speaker 2: We walked a little bit farther past that, and standing
34:55
Speaker 2: in front of a door that's like about 8 feet tall. No,
34:58
Speaker 2: it's probably more than that. It's probably like about 12
35:00
Speaker 2: feet tall door. And we're standing in front of this door,
35:04
Speaker 2: and you can hear a whish as the door opens,
35:06
Speaker 2: and you walk inside, and there's this room. At the
35:09
Speaker 2: far end of the room... There's like a laser light
35:12
Speaker 2: that's right there that's real up really high. It's up
35:16
Speaker 2: like in the corner. And when I walk in, it
35:19
Speaker 2: scans my body. It does a body scan on me.
35:23
Speaker 2: And so I looked over at him again, and I says, well,
35:26
Speaker 2: what's this? And he looks back at me, and he's like,
35:31
Speaker 2: he's having a hard time trying to figure out the language.
35:33
Speaker 2: He goes, oh, soap. So this was some sort of
35:35
Speaker 2: a cleansing light, you know. It was like it was...
35:39
Speaker 2: Scanning for germs or something, I guess, is the best
35:42
Speaker 2: way to do it, or attachments and things of that nature.
35:46
Speaker 2: And as soon as it was done off the left-hand
35:48
Speaker 2: side of me, there's another door that opens up, and
35:52
Speaker 2: I'm looking into this large room. It's got a kidney-shaped
35:55
Speaker 2: table on it, and there's a little stand. It's a
36:03
Speaker 2: rectangular stand on top of it. There's a big crystal ball.
36:06
Speaker 2: And if you look at it across the room... you
36:09
Speaker 2: could see this great big glass window, and I was
36:14
Speaker 2: looking out into space. I had no idea where we
36:16
Speaker 2: were at, but, you know, I didn't recognize anything. How
36:18
Speaker 2: am I going to recognize anything anyway, even if I
36:22
Speaker 2: knew what it was, right? It was immense. I mean,
36:26
Speaker 2: I had no idea where we were at. We were
36:28
Speaker 2: out there someplace, and it was just totally phenomenal view
36:33
Speaker 2: that he had. And around this table, there was 26
36:37
Speaker 2: other people sitting around this kidney-shaped table, and it's like, well,
36:42
Speaker 2: you know, now you're here, we've kind of been waiting
36:44
Speaker 2: for you. And I'm standing there, and as I'm standing there,
36:52
Speaker 2: you can see this ball, it's like this big crystal
36:57
Speaker 2: ball starts to glow a little bit, and as it
37:00
Speaker 2: starts to glow, everybody, everyone around the table, and myself included,
37:06
Speaker 2: you can see this stream of light four out of
37:09
Speaker 2: the top of each one of us would all drop
37:11
Speaker 2: into this big ball that's sitting there in the middle
37:14
Speaker 2: of this table. You can see all this energy just
37:18
Speaker 2: swirling inside this ball. And then it just kind of
37:24
Speaker 2: shoots back out the top of back into each of
37:27
Speaker 2: our heads. I don't know what that was about, but
37:29
Speaker 2: it was just like we're doing this energy sharing thing.
37:33
Speaker 2: The next thing I remember, we're sitting on top of
37:35
Speaker 2: this ship and upon the You know, it's just like,
37:39
Speaker 2: there's me and him, and we're sitting out there by ourselves,
37:44
Speaker 2: up on top of, I get the impression it's on
37:46
Speaker 2: top of the ship, you know, and there's a dome
37:49
Speaker 2: that's covering us, and that's all I can see is
37:51
Speaker 2: just the dome. He looks at me and he says,
37:56
Speaker 2: would you like to see? I said, sure, I'd love
37:59
Speaker 2: to see. And the minute I said that, everything disappears,
38:04
Speaker 2: and it's just me sitting out there in the middle
38:06
Speaker 2: of the universe. Okay, there's nothing. There's no shift. There's nothing.
38:10
Speaker 2: I'm just floating out there all by myself.
38:13
Speaker 3: And you can feel.
38:16
Speaker 2: This tone out there. That's the best way to put it.
38:19
Speaker 2: It's just like a musical note starts to build up.
38:26
Speaker 2: And you can feel this tone building up in the universe.
38:28
Speaker 2: And it just kind of flows through you. Like if
38:33
Speaker 2: I was going to take it on, it's going to
38:34
Speaker 2: breathe on you. And that breath goes right through you,
38:38
Speaker 2: and you can feel it touch every single cell of
38:41
Speaker 2: your body as it's going through. It's kind of what
38:44
Speaker 2: I like. And it's just amazing because you're sitting out there,
38:49
Speaker 2: and it's just you and the universe and the stars. Yeah,
38:55
Speaker 2: it was just totally a mind-blowing type of thing. It
38:59
Speaker 2: was just like... Wow. And I don't know how long
39:03
Speaker 2: I'm out there, but then all of a sudden I'm
39:06
Speaker 2: back into this dome. And the next thing I know,
39:10
Speaker 2: I'm waking up in my sleeping bag and my body
39:12
Speaker 2: is burning up. Literally, it's just kind of burning. You know,
39:16
Speaker 2: it's like I am sweating so profusely that I can't
39:22
Speaker 2: stand it. And it's like 40 degrees outside, so it's
39:24
Speaker 2: kind of cold. So it was just one of my...
39:30
Speaker 2: blowing type of you know things.
39:33
Speaker 1: Right there so that was Don's most profound onboard UFO
39:38
Speaker 1: encounter though he's had many other experiences far too many
39:43
Speaker 1: to describe in an episode of this size I mean
39:46
Speaker 1: I could go on forever but One day, Don became
39:51
Speaker 1: very curious about why he was having so many encounters.
39:54
Speaker 1: Why him? And in his search for answers, he decided
39:58
Speaker 1: to take a DNA test. And boy, did he get
40:01
Speaker 1: a shock when he found out that he has a
40:03
Speaker 1: very rare condition known as uniparental dysonomy. What this means
40:11
Speaker 1: is when a person has genetics that come almost exclusively
40:16
Speaker 1: from one parent. The vast majority of these cases usually
40:21
Speaker 1: involve people who have their genetics coming from their mother.
40:26
Speaker 1: It's much more rare that they come from a person's father.
40:29
Speaker 1: And that was true in Don's case. 99% of his
40:33
Speaker 1: genetics come from his father. And I'll just let Don
40:38
Speaker 1: describe how he discovered this.
40:40
Speaker 2: I had a DNA analysis done on myself because I
40:45
Speaker 2: just wanted to kind of see where... My background was,
40:48
Speaker 2: because I know on my mom's side of the family,
40:52
Speaker 2: they had been like, you know, eighth and ninth generation Americans.
40:56
Speaker 2: And so I'm thinking, well, I wonder if there's some
40:59
Speaker 2: American Indian background in there someplace. You know, that would
41:02
Speaker 2: explain why I do all this psychic stuff. And I
41:09
Speaker 2: have no genetic material from my mother at all. No
41:11
Speaker 2: wonder I grew up with that family thinking, I don't
41:13
Speaker 2: know who these people are. I felt like I was
41:16
Speaker 2: not related to them. I didn't know who they were.
41:19
Speaker 2: And I kept telling my son, I said, I don't
41:21
Speaker 2: know who these people are. I don't know why I'm
41:23
Speaker 2: living in this house. I said, this is just, you know,
41:26
Speaker 2: I have nothing in common with these folks. Genetics are
41:29
Speaker 2: normal otherwise, but it just shows that 97% of my
41:33
Speaker 2: genetics is straight from my dad's side of the family,
41:36
Speaker 2: which is Norwegian. Okay, well, as a Norwegian, it's that. Yes,
41:42
Speaker 2: Norwegian and Danish and Scandinavian, almost 100%. There's nothing else there,
41:48
Speaker 2: just his side of the family.
41:52
Speaker 1: So more experiences followed, lots of paranormal experiences. He started
41:57
Speaker 1: communicating with spirits occasionally with his deceased grandmother. It was
42:03
Speaker 1: found he had the ability to give psychic readings, lots
42:06
Speaker 1: of very powerful synchronicities. All kinds of amazing stuff happened.
42:13
Speaker 1: And on one occasion, he was actually healed. He had
42:17
Speaker 1: been suffering from a very severe chest cold and he
42:20
Speaker 1: just couldn't shake it. And then one day, he was
42:24
Speaker 1: in his home when in walks this human-looking ET dressed
42:29
Speaker 1: in a jumpsuit. It had a little symbol on its jumpsuit.
42:34
Speaker 1: And this ET proceeded to heal him by feeding him medicine,
42:38
Speaker 1: a glowing medicine. pink liquid in a little vial. And
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Speaker 1: I will just let Don describe this very unusual experience
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Speaker 1: in his own words.
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Speaker 2: You know, I had been suffering these really debilitating chest colds,
42:52
Speaker 2: you know, that had just almost on the verge of
42:55
Speaker 2: pneumonia type of stuff that had been hitting me really,
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Speaker 2: really hard for, you know, like about three months. It
43:01
Speaker 2: would go away, then it would hit, then it would
43:02
Speaker 2: go away, then it would hit again, then it would
43:04
Speaker 2: go away, then it would hit again. And, uh, I
43:08
Speaker 2: was really into the meditation thing at the time, and
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Speaker 2: I was sitting there meditating one day, and this alien
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Speaker 2: guy shows up, that's the best way to put it,
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Speaker 2: and he has this neon pink vial of liquid in
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Speaker 2: his hand, and he looks at me, he hands it
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Speaker 2: to me, and he says, drink this. It was kind
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Speaker 2: of a thick consistency thing, But it really didn't have
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Speaker 2: much of a taste to it. It was just kind
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Speaker 2: of like a... You just drink up a swallow real
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Speaker 2: fast and it's gone. Oh, it was just maybe... Maybe
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Speaker 2: about three ounces or something like that. It wasn't very much.
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Speaker 2: It was just a little clear... Vial like you would
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Speaker 2: find in a... If you went to.
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Speaker 2: Say somewhere in a lab or something, they'd have a
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Speaker 2: little vial sitting there, similar to that.
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Speaker 1: And so I.
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Speaker 2: Drank that, and immediately I was better, and I have
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Speaker 2: never had any problems with a settling cold again. It's never,
44:17
Speaker 2: never ever hit me. Yep, that was it. He just left.
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Speaker 2: He just disappears. That was it. This guy right here
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Speaker 2: was kind of a gray-sucking guy. He was dressed in
44:29
Speaker 2: a silver kind of a... Do you know what I'm saying?
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Speaker 2: It has kind of an unglish brass. It's got this
44:36
Speaker 2: little emblem of some sort. I can't exactly know for
44:41
Speaker 2: sure what it is, but I know there's a little
44:44
Speaker 2: design there of some sort. It's almost like he's got
44:47
Speaker 2: a little belt of some sort, but he's taller. He's
44:50
Speaker 2: got longer hair. He ties it back, but he puts
44:55
Speaker 2: his hair in a bun, and that's how they wear
44:58
Speaker 2: their hairs in a bun. And he's got these eyes
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Speaker 2: where if these eyes, you stare into his eyes, it's
45:06
Speaker 2: like he's looking right through you. I mean, they're so piercing.
45:08
Speaker 2: They're so, you know, matter of a tense. They've got
45:13
Speaker 2: this intensity about them that just will look right through you.
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Speaker 2: And it sends shivers up and down your back when
45:19
Speaker 2: he does. I've met him a couple times. He came
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Speaker 2: to the bathroom one time when I was taking a
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Speaker 2: bath and had my eyes closed. I watched him walk
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Speaker 2: in and And it just, like, it froze me up solid,
45:33
Speaker 2: you know. It was, like, really, really powerful, overwhelming. He
45:38
Speaker 2: looked like a normal person to me, but he had
45:41
Speaker 2: these kind of almost chiseled features on his face that
45:46
Speaker 2: was a perfect-looking face. And it's his eyes that really
45:53
Speaker 2: gave him away. I mean, he'd look at you with
45:55
Speaker 2: those eyes, and it's like, Okay, you know from around here,
45:58
Speaker 2: you just automatically know that there's something really different about him.
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Speaker 2: He showed up a number of times.
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Speaker 1: So Don has seen this being on other occasions. Once
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Speaker 1: he was suffering from a heart condition and he was healed.
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Speaker 2: This was when I had my heart surgery when I
46:15
Speaker 2: was laying in my bed on the couch in my
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Speaker 2: house and he showed up and all of a sudden
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Speaker 2: I'm In this room someplace, it was kind of a
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Speaker 2: hospital-like setting. I could get very much of it was
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Speaker 2: a healing center of some sort that they had me in,
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Speaker 2: that they were doing some sort of healing on me
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Speaker 2: to help me get better.
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Speaker 1: On another occasion, he was actually threatened by MIB types,
46:48
Speaker 1: or government agent types, who told him not to talk
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Speaker 1: about his experiences. This really angered Don, and he decided
46:54
Speaker 1: he was going to go public with his experiences. He
46:57
Speaker 1: had no plans to go public at that time, but
47:00
Speaker 1: after being threatened, he decided it was important to do so,
47:03
Speaker 1: and he went to a convention where he spoke publicly
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Speaker 1: about his experiences, and he started thinking about writing about
47:11
Speaker 1: them as well.
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Speaker 2: I have had the military abduct me once upon a time, too,
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Speaker 2: which is really kind of bizarre. Oh yeah, that threatening
47:19
Speaker 2: stuff has been a continual thing. The military abducted me.
47:23
Speaker 2: They told me not to speak. Before they came and
47:26
Speaker 2: got me, they told me not to speak about this.
47:29
Speaker 2: And I said, hey, don't talk about this stuff. And
47:31
Speaker 2: I said, well, come on, man. Don't be so paranoid.
47:34
Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about it because I'm just an
47:37
Speaker 2: ET guy, contactee, you know. I'm not a big one
47:41
Speaker 2: by any means, you know. I'm just a guy who's
47:44
Speaker 2: had some experiences who's, you know, not afraid to share
47:48
Speaker 2: my mind on what's happened, right? Right. And... They show
47:53
Speaker 2: up and they say, hey, don't talk about this. And
47:56
Speaker 2: so after that, I said, well, screw you, I'm writing
47:59
Speaker 2: a book. So I wrote a book and went to
48:01
Speaker 2: speak at a conference up in Seattle at the Seattle
48:05
Speaker 2: UFO Network conference.
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Speaker 1: He wanted to put out a website where he could
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Speaker 1: put forth some of the spiritual information he learned. And
48:15
Speaker 1: he was trying to think of a good name for
48:18
Speaker 1: his website. And that's when this same being who healed
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Speaker 1: him showed up and told him what to name the website.
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Speaker 2: So it's not like... It's for the website that I've got,
48:30
Speaker 2: I've got a... I was thinking about what to call
48:34
Speaker 2: my website that I have, and it's called Shabala. And
48:40
Speaker 2: I was thinking for a long time, me and my
48:42
Speaker 2: girlfriend at the time, we were thinking about what we
48:45
Speaker 2: were going to call it, you know? He drops in
48:48
Speaker 2: one day.
48:50
Speaker 2: As I'm waking up and he walks right up to
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Speaker 2: him and he looks at me and he says, you
48:54
Speaker 2: should call it Shabala. I said, well, what do you mean?
48:58
Speaker 2: You mean Shambala? That's already been taken. He said, no,
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Speaker 2: Shabala without the M. I go, Shabala? He says, yeah,
49:06
Speaker 2: call it Shabala.
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Speaker 1: So after doing some research about the word Shabala, he
49:12
Speaker 1: found out that it means spirit of the ancient ones.
49:17
Speaker 1: So that's what he decided to name his web which
49:21
Speaker 1: is still running today and Don offers to give people
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Speaker 1: spiritual information past life readings this sort of thing he's
49:34
Speaker 1: like I said a very quiet and gentle man he
49:38
Speaker 1: is seeking no publicity He's not interested in fame or fortune.
49:43
Speaker 1: He's just a deeply spiritual, very quiet gentleman, somewhat shy.
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Speaker 1: He has spoken publicly, as I said, on his experiences.
49:54
Speaker 1: And in fact, his account does appear in a few books.
50:01
Speaker 1: One book that his story appears in is called We
50:06
Speaker 1: Are Among You Already. True Stories of Star Beings on Earth.
50:13
Speaker 1: He's also written a couple of books. One of the
50:16
Speaker 1: books that he wrote is called The Wanderer, A Soul's Journey.
50:21
Speaker 1: And another book is called Musings of an Old Soul,
50:27
Speaker 1: A Cosmic Paradigm. Don's full story is told in my book, Wondrous,
50:34
Speaker 1: 25 True UFO Encounters. Don is not again seeking any
50:42
Speaker 1: publicity but he knows his experiences are quite profound and
50:47
Speaker 1: unusual and I think that's why he consented to being
50:50
Speaker 1: interviewed for my book and I'm really glad he did
50:56
Speaker 1: because as I said I think his encounters have a
50:58
Speaker 1: lot to say about the nature of the UFO phenomena
51:03
Speaker 1: how it can be so frightening in the beginning and
51:05
Speaker 1: how it often transforms into a deeply spiritual experience and
51:10
Speaker 1: can actually move someone along the pathway of enlightenment to
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Speaker 1: a remarkable degree.
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Speaker 2: I really think that's what it's about. I mean, I've
51:21
Speaker 2: spent a good portion of my life talking about the
51:26
Speaker 2: physical things that have happened, that have gone on, but
51:29
Speaker 2: when it boils down to it, it's not about the
51:31
Speaker 2: physical stuff at all. It's about how it changes you
51:34
Speaker 2: as an individual. And that inner perspective to look inside
51:41
Speaker 2: and to go for the answers where that's where you
51:45
Speaker 2: find them is on the inside.
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Speaker 1: That's certainly true in Don's case. That's why I wanted
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Speaker 1: to do this episode today. I hope you've enjoyed watching.
51:54
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. I truly appreciate it. And until
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Speaker 1: next time, keep searching for answers and keep having fun.