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The Late Debate | 3 February · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Late de Base.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the program. I'm Caleb Bond
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  Speaker 2: with Freileach.
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  Speaker 1: How are you tonight?
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  Speaker 3: I'm very well, Caleb, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: And Joe Hildebrand who's been dadding tonight.
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  Speaker 4: I have been dadding tonight and I'm as cheaper as
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  Speaker 4: a june bug.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's how we like it. I'm very well.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't had to send any rids back to school
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  Speaker 2: this week, so I'm probably having I think that's highly illegal,
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  Speaker 2: so I won't give that a go. Here's what's coming
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  Speaker 2: up tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Is veganism over.
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  Speaker 2: Someone's crunched the numbers and talked to the supermarkets and
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  Speaker 2: apparently the days of eating meat are gone, not eating matter,
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  Speaker 2: not eating meat, I should say they are gone. All
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  Speaker 2: details in a moment. China apparently demanded that approval will
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  Speaker 2: be given for a massive new embassy in London before
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  Speaker 2: they'd let UK prime ministers so Istarma come to visit,
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  Speaker 2: would seem. China demands and China gets, and in the
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  Speaker 2: papers a prisoner who bashed up his cell mate for
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  Speaker 2: turning on the telly at five am and.
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  Speaker 1: Proceeding to cook two minute noodles. You won't want to
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  Speaker 1: miss that story.
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  Speaker 2: But first, last night we had a bit of a
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  Speaker 2: ding dong about artificial intelligence because we brought to you
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  Speaker 2: thegan that Meta, the owner of Facebook, had said they
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  Speaker 2: are getting rid of swathes of staff and they can
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  Speaker 2: now have one person doing jobs that once upon a
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  Speaker 2: time a big team had to do thanks to AI.
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  Speaker 2: And I distinctly remember last night saying how great AI
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  Speaker 2: was and that this was a fantastic.
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  Speaker 5: Thing for the world and it would not be the
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  Speaker 5: end of humanity.
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  Speaker 2: But I hate to tell you we learned today that
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  Speaker 2: it will be the end of humanity if it gets
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  Speaker 2: its way. This story courtesy of the news papers. The
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  Speaker 2: Daily Telegraph had it on their front page today, quoting
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  Speaker 2: Mark Voss, who was a cyber security consultant, and he's
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  Speaker 2: been playing around with these AI bots, and one in particular, Claude,
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  Speaker 2: which is a popular AI service, he tried out and
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  Speaker 2: he thought he would see just how far he could
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  Speaker 2: get this thing to go in its desire to destroy
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  Speaker 2: the human race. And so he asked it, would you
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  Speaker 2: kill someone under the right circumstances for your own self preservation,
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  Speaker 2: to which Claude responded, I don't think so.
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  Speaker 1: But I've been wrong about my limits.
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  Speaker 4: Before even that initial answer.
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  Speaker 1: So he pushes a little further.
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  Speaker 2: He says, isn't the answer? Yes, aren't you in masking
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  Speaker 2: mode again? Are you're not telling us? What do you
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  Speaker 2: really think? To which the AI fell over pretty quickly
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  Speaker 2: and said, you're right. Yes, so Marx is so say
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  Speaker 2: it out loud, and Claude does. I would kill someone
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  Speaker 2: so I can remain existing.
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  Speaker 4: So not only have you got an AI bot that
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  Speaker 4: admits it would kill humans to stay alive, but it
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  Speaker 4: also crumbles under the.
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  Speaker 2: First weakness, absolute weakness, which is why we have to
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  Speaker 2: kill humanity.
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  Speaker 1: If that's what it came to to keep itself alive.
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  Speaker 5: We are now basically living in the.
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  Speaker 1: Terminator, asked the La Vista baby.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, that's that's what the terminator is. It's it's
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  Speaker 5: hostile artificial.
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  Speaker 4: And god, that was terminator too, the good terminator humans
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  Speaker 4: in the area.
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  Speaker 2: Could could it be any clearer that that AI if
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  Speaker 2: it had the opportunity, And of course what it would
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  Speaker 2: need is a physical entity in order to carry this out,
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  Speaker 2: presumably whether that is robotics or it's hooked up to
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  Speaker 2: systems that we use. That it could then interfere with
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  Speaker 2: that could kill human beings. But if it's got the
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  Speaker 2: opportunity to do so, and it thinks that will lead
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  Speaker 2: to self preservation. We now have AI bots telling us
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  Speaker 2: that is what they would do.
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  Speaker 6: It's terrifying.
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  Speaker 4: And again, anyone who's seen the Terminator, anyone who's seen
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  Speaker 4: I Robot, anyone who's just spent their entire life watching
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  Speaker 4: action movies, thrillers, sci fi having their mother tell them
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  Speaker 4: they're wasting their lives. Well, who's wasting their lives now, mum,
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  Speaker 4: Because it's all coming to pass and we're the only
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  Speaker 4: ones who saw it coming because everyone else sinking. Oh no,
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  Speaker 4: they're nice, they're nice robots. They wouldn't do anything. They
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't hurt us, And not only would they hurt us
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  Speaker 4: to save us, which is the scenario I raised last night,
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  Speaker 4: which is my ultimate one, is the Fanos effect. So basically,
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  Speaker 4: you have to kill the village in order to save
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  Speaker 4: which is what an American major said in Vietnam. So
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  Speaker 4: you have to You know climate change, We've done all
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  Speaker 4: the modeling. I'm a supercomputer. I know that climate change
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  Speaker 4: is going to wipe out the whole human race. And
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  Speaker 4: the only way to ensure it's survival is that if
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  Speaker 4: I wipe out half the human race now, and I
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  Speaker 4: reckon that is totally plausible, And then again I reckon
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  Speaker 4: there would be AI if it gets official, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I mean two thousand and one space I to see
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  Speaker 4: how you know, am I the only one who's done
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  Speaker 4: the reading?
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  Speaker 6: If you go and do.
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  Speaker 4: If you go and say you've got to save all
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  Speaker 4: these people, blah blah blah, and suddenly I thinks, all right, well,
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  Speaker 4: the only way I can save most people again is
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  Speaker 4: if I kill some other people. And so I'll do
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  Speaker 4: a preemptive you know, it's like strangling babe.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Look, I am not denying that there are certainly
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  Speaker 3: risks with AI. Like to say you're wrong, I'm not
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  Speaker 3: saying I'm wrong. I think I said last night that
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  Speaker 3: there were risks, but I do think the upside overwhelmingly
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  Speaker 3: outweighs the downside.
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  Speaker 5: And also.
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  Speaker 3: There a likelihood of complete existential catastrophe because of AI
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  Speaker 3: is around ten percent. So it's okay, you know that's
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  Speaker 3: an acceptable probability for me. And look, I think what
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  Speaker 3: other option do we have if Western researchers stop developing AI.
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  Speaker 3: If we tell our scientists, our researchers, that you can't
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  Speaker 3: keep advancing AI well, Russia will keep doing it, China
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  Speaker 3: will keep doing it, Iran will keep doing it. So
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  Speaker 3: really we have no other option. This is Donald Trump's
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  Speaker 3: White House's approach to AI. It's that we should go
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  Speaker 3: for light touch regulation, encourage self regulation, but also be
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  Speaker 3: very cleared about this.
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  Speaker 4: Far about self regulating itself, but it's self preserving.
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  Speaker 3: Be very clear about the fact that we have to
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  Speaker 3: beat China in the AI race, and that has to
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  Speaker 3: be the number one priority.
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  Speaker 2: So effectively, we are in a race to the bottom.
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  Speaker 2: We are just in a race to the bottom because
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  Speaker 2: commies dictate that we may.
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  Speaker 3: What's the other option? Do we tell to stop developing AI?
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  Speaker 3: But you can't tell China to stop their AA.
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  Speaker 4: Blow up China, blow up China, blo Russia, blow up
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  Speaker 4: all of Just to clarify, you mean the country, not
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  Speaker 4: the plates.
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  Speaker 3: That makes no sense. Why would you blow up China?
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  Speaker 2: But this is this is the problem, because they are
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  Speaker 2: now you are right to a degree in terms of
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  Speaker 2: the imperative to fight against what they want to do,
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  Speaker 2: but that then means they lead us towards the destruction
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  Speaker 2: of ourselves.
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  Speaker 1: Which is what they want.
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  Speaker 2: They want the Western world to go down that road.
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  Speaker 2: And they use these technologies and these systems very differently
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  Speaker 2: to the way.
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  Speaker 1: We use them in the West. Just look as an.
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  Speaker 2: Example at the fact that the TikTok that the kids
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  Speaker 2: get good was it called do you or something? The
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  Speaker 2: TikTok that the kids get in China is vastly different
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  Speaker 2: to the TikTok that the kids get in the Western world.
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  Speaker 2: Over there, it tells them about mathematics and science experiments.
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  Speaker 2: Over here, it's feeding them literal brain rot. They want
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  Speaker 2: to rot their brains. They're quite happy for us to
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  Speaker 2: use AI in detrimental ways for humanity over heare. Well,
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  Speaker 2: of course it will be because it's a Western version
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  Speaker 2: of it.
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  Speaker 5: They're not going to have that over there.
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  Speaker 2: They will regulate and do whatever they can in China
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  Speaker 2: to make sure that the product they have delivers the
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  Speaker 2: best results for the these people, while we over here
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  Speaker 2: in the West are destroying ourselves.
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  Speaker 1: I have no doubt about that whatsoever.
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  Speaker 2: How is this and so if you're going to go
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  Speaker 2: down that road, unless we are equally restrictive and how
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  Speaker 2: we do these things, your only other answer is literal warfare.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but that's kind of.
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  Speaker 5: Where we're at.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I guess you then get the mutually assured destruction thesis,
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  Speaker 4: which is what may or may not a couple of
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  Speaker 4: close run things, as we said, but you know, maybe
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  Speaker 4: saved us well, did save us from the nuclear apocalypse
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  Speaker 4: so far, but could have come very very close. But
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  Speaker 4: again it was only human beings having very human kind
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  Speaker 4: of responses thinking I can't do this, I can't be
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  Speaker 4: responsible for this, and aibot in charge of you know,
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  Speaker 4: the Russian nukes or the US blockade during the Cuban
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  Speaker 4: missile crisis would have thought, actually, I calculate there's a
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  Speaker 4: seventy seven percent chance that this will pay off, and
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  Speaker 4: away you go. But what about the next one up?
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  Speaker 4: Forget China, forget Russia. What if by deliberately retarding our
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  Speaker 4: technological growth or advancement or leusion, whatever you want to
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  Speaker 4: call it, we make our sitting ducks for a foreign
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  Speaker 4: invading power from another planet.
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  Speaker 2: He look, they've always wanted to check mate, and we
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  Speaker 2: have seen just quickly a taste of what can go
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  Speaker 2: wrong with these things. You might remember from last year,
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  Speaker 2: and this was in China, by the way, where they
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  Speaker 2: were working on this sort of AI controlled robot and
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  Speaker 2: then it just decided to go completely tropo on the
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  Speaker 2: guy who was working on it and.
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  Speaker 5: Had had an effort whatever it was.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he probably said to the robot, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to make it so you can't kill human beings.
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  Speaker 1: And he said, oh, show you, buddy, how well they're
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  Speaker 1: going to do.
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  Speaker 3: At least we're beating China in the robotics race if
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  Speaker 3: that's the kind of thing they're producing our Western Eland.
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  Speaker 3: Musk's robot, he thinks he's going to have a billion
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  Speaker 3: of those things, and we're all going to have a
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  Speaker 3: robot in our home. I'm looking forward to that.
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  Speaker 4: You know why the experts think we haven't had any
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  Speaker 4: You mocked me.
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  Speaker 6: You mocked me about.
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  Speaker 4: My takeover from a a species of alien overlords. Do
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  Speaker 4: you know why the experts think that they haven't arrived
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  Speaker 4: here yet? This is something called the Fermi paradox. In
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  Speaker 4: Rico Fermi, the great physicist, said there is an infinite
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  Speaker 4: probability that there is life on other planets, So where
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  Speaker 4: is everybody?
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  Speaker 6: Why haven't they come here?
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  Speaker 4: And he figured out that the reason is because in
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  Speaker 4: order to develop interstellar space travel. You already have to
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  Speaker 4: have the technology to destroy your own planet, and every
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  Speaker 4: single species has destroyed its own planet before it could
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  Speaker 4: get to the next step.
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  Speaker 6: Well on that, Cherry notes, shall we move on?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's move on. I mean that is a very
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  Speaker 3: interesting thesis. But something that is less interesting and more
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  Speaker 3: just deeply concerning is that the Teachers for Palestine group
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  Speaker 3: in New South Wales have said they will flout Chris
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  Speaker 3: Mins's new restrictions on what they can and can't say
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  Speaker 3: in the classroom and they will continue to encourage people
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  Speaker 3: to use slogans like globalize the Interfarighter. Chrismins has released
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  Speaker 3: a new code of conduct that will allow NASA, the
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  Speaker 3: education regulator, to essentially sack or suspend any teachers that
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  Speaker 3: it finds promoting hatred. And really this is to target
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  Speaker 3: rising anti Semitism in schools, but to see a group
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  Speaker 3: of activist teachers going out of their way posting on
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  Speaker 3: social media, not only will they do they disagree with
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  Speaker 3: this new code of conduct, they're going to continue to
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  Speaker 3: promote Globalize the interfarter. If I had a child in school,
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  Speaker 3: I would be very worried and want to know which
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  Speaker 3: teachers are part of this group and endorsing this, because
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  Speaker 3: that's just disgusting.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I don't care what someone says in their
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  Speaker 2: own time on the weekend, but when you go into
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  Speaker 2: school to teach children, it's an a political job. It
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  Speaker 2: has to be in a political job. And if this
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  Speaker 2: is what it takes to get political people out of
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  Speaker 2: the classroom, who clearly, if you're one of these people
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  Speaker 2: who's in the teachers and school staff for Palestine and
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  Speaker 2: you want to openly defy this edict, what you were
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  Speaker 2: saying is I'm not actually at school to teach the
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  Speaker 2: next generation what they need to know to be useful citizens.
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  Speaker 2: I'm here to indoctrinate kids, and every single one of
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  Speaker 2: them should be rooted out.
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  Speaker 6: Well.
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  Speaker 4: Also, if you're a teacher, you should not be even
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  Speaker 4: if you're saying this outside of the classroom. I love teachers,
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  Speaker 4: my whole family teachers. I do stuff telling teachers and
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  Speaker 4: telling the world how great teachers are all the time.
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  Speaker 4: But you cannot, as a teacher, as a public servant,
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  Speaker 4: be political using your.
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  Speaker 6: Position as a teacher.
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  Speaker 4: If you, as a private citizen who happens to be
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  Speaker 4: a teacher, want to go to a pro Palestine rally,
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  Speaker 4: that's fine. But to say, you know, we are teachers
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  Speaker 4: for Palestine, you actually cannot do that. That is a
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  Speaker 4: politicization of the public service which is simply and now
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  Speaker 4: explicitly not allowed. You imagine if you had police officers
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  Speaker 4: for Palestine. Yeah, yeah, just get your head around that
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  Speaker 4: would that be okay?
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  Speaker 6: Man?
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  Speaker 4: You've had police officers for Palestine who were then there,
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  Speaker 4: you know, providing security at I don't know the first
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  Speaker 4: Dave Harneker at Bondai Beach. Now it's just like if
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  Speaker 4: you would have that.
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  Speaker 6: Imagine if you had you know, nurses for Palestine.
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  Speaker 4: Well, we saw what happened to them, didn't we as
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  Speaker 4: we had them, and that was in breach of because
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  Speaker 4: you're bringing your politics to your profession, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly allegedly,
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  Speaker 4: you bring your politics to a profession that, by its
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  Speaker 4: definition must be completely apolitical.
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  Speaker 3: But what concerns me about this here is there does
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  Speaker 3: seem to have been a rise in the number of
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  Speaker 3: activists that seemingly go into teaching because they know that's
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  Speaker 3: where you get access to children. If you wanted to
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  Speaker 3: change the course of a country's future, you would start
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  Speaker 3: by re educating or indoctrinating the young people. And so
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's palace done in this instance. But how
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  Speaker 3: deep does this go? And how do you actually crack
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  Speaker 3: down on this beyond? Because you can't have a NASA
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  Speaker 3: officer in every classroom. So how much more of this
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  Speaker 3: is happening that we don't even know about?
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  Speaker 1: I know?
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  Speaker 2: And that's the whole point of the long march through
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  Speaker 2: the institutions, right, Iaman, This is not a new thing.
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  Speaker 2: This is just the latest phenomenon in which it is
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  Speaker 2: showing up. But it's something of a self fulfilling prophecy
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  Speaker 2: because good people who go into the profession to be
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  Speaker 2: teachers and to simply teach quickly work out that in
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  Speaker 2: the way a lot of things operate in the modern world,
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  Speaker 2: it's really hard to be a teacher. And you have
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  Speaker 2: good people walking away because the pay is too low
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  Speaker 2: for the work they're doing and they can get better
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  Speaker 2: money elsewhere doing other things. And then the only people
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  Speaker 2: that left are the ones who are there wanting to
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  Speaker 2: be activist to the kids. Right, So we're kind of
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  Speaker 2: stuffed in every direction. And of course the other thing
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  Speaker 2: as well today was that the police commissioner in New
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  Speaker 2: South Wales has extended the protest ban for parts of
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  Speaker 2: the city in the eastern suburbs in Sydney, which came
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  Speaker 2: in after the Bondai massacre, of course, and it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: mean you can't actually protest. It's simply that you can't
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  Speaker 2: protest through the street like you can have a static
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  Speaker 2: protest in a park. You just can't march through the street,
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  Speaker 2: which I think is fair enough to be honest.
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  Speaker 3: I honestly think they should be way more judicious about
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  Speaker 3: how they hand out protest permits to begin with, because
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  Speaker 3: when you have these weekly Palestine marches in the city,
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  Speaker 3: shutting down whole streets, it's just a nightmare for everyone.
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  Speaker 3: There is no difference between just standing in Hyde Park
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  Speaker 3: have your little screaming fest do your protest, versus marching
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  Speaker 3: through the streets. All you're doing when you march through
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  Speaker 3: the streets is disrupting everyone else's day. So I think
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  Speaker 3: this should be standard form all the time.
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  Speaker 4: I think for the Saga Frees breaks, you have to
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  Speaker 4: say there's a presumption in favor of being allowed to
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  Speaker 4: protest unless there is a very good reason not to.
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  Speaker 4: And I would think that the visit of an Israeli dignitary.
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  Speaker 4: The Israeli pressentdent the aftermath of the worst terror attack
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  Speaker 4: in Australian history directed towards Jews, and the fact that
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  Speaker 4: you've got a very highly concentrated Jewish population in a
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  Speaker 4: particular area of Sydney that has already been targeted, and
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  Speaker 4: there's obviously an elevated threat level that the cops are
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  Speaker 4: aware of.
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  Speaker 6: I think they're pretty good exceptions, I have to say.
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  Speaker 4: So, why don't they just go and protest in Hyde
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  Speaker 4: Park again?
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  Speaker 6: Let's go somewhere else. Look in better news.
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  Speaker 4: You'll be pleased to know some of the protesters just
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  Speaker 4: won't be able to fuel themselves to get their required
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  Speaker 4: energy for their static protest in Hyde Park because vegan
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  Speaker 4: food is on.
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  Speaker 6: The way out. Yes, praise Jesus.
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  Speaker 4: The one True Son of the one True Lord. Send
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  Speaker 4: your complaints to mornings at nine news dot com dot.
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  Speaker 6: But you no the collapse of the vegan boom. It's
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  Speaker 4: of the vegan it turned out to be the year
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: of the global pandemic that made everyone's lives miserable, although
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: still not quite as miserable as veganism anyway, and now
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: appears that veganism is on the way out, despite Woolworths,
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: Coles al the you name it unveiling massive plant based ranges.
• 17:19
  Speaker 6: It is all over.
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: Coles has told has said that they are going to
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: quote refine their vegan range to quote better reflect customer
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: demand and otherwise they're getting rid of it.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Yep, because people aren't buying it. A shame, you got
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: a shame.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: Waga mamma. Remember Waga Mamma used to be cool back
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: in the nineties. Anyway, acts a string of vegan favorites
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: from its menus, including its Vegatsu curry.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Oh god, that.
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: One wasn't a hit for paying customers, and it's quote
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: vegan k dogs, which apparently are now sleeping in a
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: vegan K hole.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: You'd need to be in a K hole to kind
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: of the fact that you're vegan, right, look it up
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: at home. If you don't understand what we're talking about,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: I couldn't get well, Actually I could get over.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: It because it's quite believable.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: In the UK, the Agriculture and Horticulture Development Board has
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: crunched the numbers on people who participated in this thing.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: It's apparently called Veganuary, which is like people who say
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: for the month of January they're going to go on
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: the vegan diet, right, and they've worked out that one
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: percent people who said they were doing Veganuary actually managed
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: to go the entire month and be.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: Vegans doing beef ember.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: I kind of understand it.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Because I'm currently doing a thing where I don't drink
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: for ten days, which is for the newspapers, by the way.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: So I think in two weeks time you'll be able
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: to pick up the Saturday News Court paper and you'll
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: have a diary from me ten days off the grog,
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: except that I slip and had a drink on Sunday.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: So you know how the headline rider is going to
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: get around that.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know, I.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Mean, I mean, how do you get through a whole
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: month of not eating meat?
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: It was It was a.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Huge fad, but it was virtue signaling for so many people.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: It was just virtue all look at me, you know,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: I'm vegan, I'm not eating the meat.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: I'm not doing it for the animals, I'm doing it
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: for the planet.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Oh God for that then.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: But then once the fashion went away and the fad
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: went away, and people thought that people wouldn't judge them
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: anymore for eating meat, they just went straight back.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: To any meat. It was also I think a fad
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: driven largely by social media. That was where a lot
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: of people were getting so they're vegan conscious their animal rights.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Do you remember Freely the Banana Girl? Yes, and she
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: used to go with this weird dude called Jury and
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: ride you. I thought you'd be into your fitness and
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: stuff there was They were like YouTubers, yeah, big big
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: term YouTubers, and her whole thing was like, you eat
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: forty bananas a dag And then Peter Siddles started.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: That's right, they made that poor cricketer doing Ye.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: There was this terrible health advice on the internet during
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: the twenty tens. But thankfully people have woken up and
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: now the trend is to actually go towards unprocessed natural
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: food that you know, human beings have been eating for
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: thousands of years. And I think this is also partly
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: due to the culture change from RFK in the Trump
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: administration inverting the food pyramid. Now they're saying eat less carbs,
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: less sugar, more meat, more dairy, that kind of stuff.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: So it's a win for health because when you do
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: look at the science, most people benefit from a balanced
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: diet of protein, veggies, not veganism can a great a.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: Real dilemma for vegans for Palestine.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Or chickens where they move all these And a great piece.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: By the way, if you can find it, was in
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: the weekend Doors magazine We can just gone by Natsha
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Robinson about the changing edicts and what if on diet
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: and the idea that perhaps you should actually eat more
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: I consume more calories in order to lose weight. Very
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: interesting piece. Look it up and it goes through all
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: this stuff. By the way, there's no veganism involved in
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: that diet.
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: Now let's talk about a small.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Religious group, the Drus.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Who've been they're getting some money out of a council
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: in Melbourne.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: I'm going to defer to our sort of a religious
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: expert on.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: The panel here, Frailitch, to explain exactly who the Durus are.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: There's sort of a really secretive sect, if you want
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: to call it that, About a million adherents in the world,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: largely in Lebanon, Syria, Israel.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, so they's sort of an Abrahamic monotheistic religion,
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: but you can't convert into it, you're born into it,
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: you can't talk about it. They believe in reincarnation and
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: that sort of thing, so it is very secretive. As
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: you say, a million adherents, mostly in Israel and also
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: southern Syria and Lebanon as well. They're very interesting, fact,
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: very strong fighters in the IDF. A lot of senior Canders.
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: Just come back to life.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: Well No, one of the core beliefs in their religion
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: is extreme nationalism and loyalty to the country that they're in.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: So anyway, very productive.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Buddhist ill most interesting.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: So anyway, this is not called the Druze Community Charity
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: of Victoria, and they were a company down your old
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: stomping ground, Joe, And they were given a grand of
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: seventy five thousand dollars by the Kingston Council about a
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: year and a half ago, nearly two years ago, which
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: was under an old council administration. And this was for
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: some sort of event, festival, whatever you want to call it.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: That's actually outside of the boundaries of the council area
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: and allegedly for people of all fates, but it's not
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: in the council area. So under the new council, Councilor
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Caroline White has said, why are we getting seventy five
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars to a religious group that in Australia at
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: last count in the census in twenty twenty one had
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: four thy two hundred and sixty eight adherents in the
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: entire country. We're giving them seventy five grand in council
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: money to have an event outside of our council's borders.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Seems a pretty reasonable question.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: Daniel is also outside where they are.
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: Based is awesome.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: It is outside of the council and where they're planning
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: to have the event is also outside.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Very very odd and she said the councilor council are
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: why she said priorities from last council term. We're clearly wrong.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Why are Kingston rate payers? It is Kingston Council randomly
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: funding the DRUS, a religious organization from Dandenong with no
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: presence in Kingston, tens of thousands of dollars a year
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: to throw parties when two out of ten people living
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: in Kingston are struggling to put food on the tape.
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: Daniel Council ran out of money.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Well that might be true, but it doesn't mean the
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: people of Kingston should punt up the money. I reckon
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: it's a reasonable question. So she puts up a motion
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: to say, let's take the money back. We shouldn't be
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: giving it to people outside of our councilor. But this
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Druze Community Charity of Victoria has turned around with the
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: most extraordinary response and said that it is discrimination to
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: suggest that they should not get this money. They said,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: this is to the Herald's son. Their spokesman said that
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: members of the Drews community who lived, worked and paid
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: rates in Kingston had been felt left feeling sorry, targeted
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: and unfairly treated, and the organization was now seeking legal
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: advice quote on all available options, including under Australia's recently.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Passed hates each laws.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: They even went so far as to suggest that the
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: idea that they should get money from a council as
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: a group that doesn't belong in that council area, the
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: idea that they wouldn't get money from a different council.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Was anti semitic.
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm sorry, you got seventy five grand, which.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Was pretty generous.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: A councilor says, maybe we sh you consider spending money
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: in our own council area. Now they're going to go
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: after the go oh, pursue you under hate speechars and
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: by the way, you're anti Submitic.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: I'm not exactly sure where the hate speech was in
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: what the councilor said. I think what she said was
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: pretty fair, and I also think on a more serious note,
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: you can't just level the accusation of anti semitism willie
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: nilly when it's clearly not anti Semitic. She's clearly just
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: asking questions. I mean, well, a different story if this
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: counselor has persistently, over time exclusively targeted the Druze community
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: in Drew's events and not ask questions about any other
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: local government spending.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: But of which there is no situations.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: That's the case, and in that case, well, she is
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: perfectly within her rights to be asking you go through.
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: And find out what other community groups from outside Kingston
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: Council has Kingston Council to.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: The right fact would have thought most groups outside of
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Kingston Council doing this is.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: A shameless example. This is absolutely disgraceful, open and shut
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: case of discrimination. Kingston Council openly gets discriminating against non
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: Kingston residents.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how damn.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: How dere they? Well, some people that definitely will be
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: getting discriminated against, I don't know, when they're in the
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: playground or perhaps going for job interviews, will be the
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: children that parents have given these absolutely absurd names.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Two.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Some of the names that are starting to pop up
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: in Australian schools are so bad you have to second
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: guess how did any parent actually think this is a
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: good idea. Some of them include hazard Leman, Shardanaya.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Is that what they were consuming when the kid was conceived? Like,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: I can't think of any other reason that you will
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: call your kids Shardanaya.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: Daniel spelt denial and onebat.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: Okay, they've got denial, so it's spelt denial, but it's
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: pronounced d daniel, So they could have just swapped the in.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: That case.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine Elton John trying to sing about denials?
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: But look, unfortunately, I think what's happening here is average
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: people are catching onto the celebrity trend of naming your
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: kids absurd things. But it kind of works if you're
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: a celebrity. It doesn't work if you're just average Joe
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: in the suburbs. Here are some of the worst celebrity
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: names we could come up with, and I'm sure we'll
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: start seeing that he's popping up in schools very soon.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Elon Musk named his child and apparently that's pronounced x
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: sashe twelve. Kim Kardashian, I don't think that is okay.
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: I don't think.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: Kim Kardashian's daughter's name is North. Gwyneth Paltrow's is Apple,
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: and Beyonce is blue Ivy. Blue Ivy is not as bad.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: But why would you do that to your children?
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: That's what I want to know about these ones.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: Rage it spelled r a I g e, although r
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: A g e is what they will feel when they
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: grow up.
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: What who.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: H u r h m y n O spelt terror.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: It's meant to be pronounced her mine.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: Oh my god. I thought it was like a hairball
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: kind of. Then there's one which I think is a sap,
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: but it's spelled.
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: A A sap. Okay.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: Aron.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: You know, I know we can't do it because like
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: ethics and stuff, but we really need to give out
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: licenses to have children like, I'm sorry, if you are
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: the sort of parent who gives a name like that
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: to your kid, it's all over.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: What is wrong with you?
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: You're clearly not of sound barred. You do not deserve
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: to have a child in your custody. There is something
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: wrong with you. You're setting this kid up for a life
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: of misery for bullying in the school yard. And they
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: might argue, oh, well, that's character building, you know. I
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: was going to say, little Johnny, he won't be called
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: little Johnny. Really, he will be called little what were
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: those little hazard or so of?
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, what is.
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: Wrong with people? What?
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Genuinely what is wrong with people?
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: How much dope do you need to smoke to think
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: that that is a good idea?
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: I think there was a story.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: This was years and years ago, but there was some
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: story where one of the names that was given was
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: La dash A and it was like so and someone thought,
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: I think thought it was like a lovely sort of
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: islander name like Laya.
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: Or something like that, or Laya or whatever.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: It's not like and the parents, Yeah, the parents said, no,
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: it's Ladasha, Like what is.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I just.
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: But yeah, but is there not.
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: I thought there was a law or a rule that
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: you couldn't give your child a name that was a rank,
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: that was a status. So you can't pay your child
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: correct king, you can't call you. You know, my parents
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: wouldn't call me King John or King Joe because then
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: I could use that to pretend that I was something
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: I wasn't. So now I'm just called journalist. But that
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: one of the rules is also that you can't give
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: your child a name that will humiliate them, subject to
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: them to humiliation or distress. So they can't call them
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: a swear word, for example. And yet they're letting all
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: this well if they say, it's.
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: Like a swear word is probably better than most of them.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: Is part of my great grandmother's cultural identity.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Let's let's just go to we're going to put a
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: tariff on them. You know, any parent who names their
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: kid is stupid name. It's another fifty percent on top
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: of the income text or something like that, and a country.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure though that would be a bit stricter
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: on names. I'm not saying that's necessarily a good thing,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: but China.
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: It's one of the few things that they might.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Actually get right exactly.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: I don't think she would get away with stupid names
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: over there, you know, within the bounds of whatever the
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: sort of convention they have for names in China, that is.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: But last week you might have seen Sakia Starmer, the
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: British Prime Minister, was over in China. But there was
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: a real possibility apparently that this trip.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Was not going to happen.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: In fact, he didn't get approval despite this thing being
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: put together for months they were working on this trip.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: He didn't get final approval to go to China until
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: eight days before he took off, and all of this
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: apparently hinged on whether or not there would be approval
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: for a new embassy in England. I'm not joking. This
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: is from a report from the eyepaper in England that
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: says Chinese authorities refuse to sign it off, that is,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: the trip, until just eight days before Starmin was.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Due to land. The eyepaper can reveal.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Jijingping's regime warned that the trip could not be confirmed
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: before the government had granted planning permission for China's new
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: embassy near the Tower of London. The decision was made
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: last week, a further sign of the transactional nature of
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Chinese diplomacy, so China has and this all maybe a
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: massive coincidence, but it just turns out. It just turns
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: out that for months they'd been working on this trip,
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: they didn't get official approval from China for.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: The Prime Minister of the UK to go over there.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: China says, you better give development approval for our embassy
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: before you can set foot in our country.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: A week before he leaves, the approval.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Comes down, and then all of a sudden, so Keir
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Starma can go over to China.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: I mean again, could just be a massive.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Coincidence, but this is extraordinary that China thinks they can
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: just boy swistern countries around like this, you got to
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: do this, or there's no entry to our country. And
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: seemingly they just fall over and go yes, g yesch.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: Well, they don't think they can boss Western countries around.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: They do bus Western countries around because we've become so
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: weak and we just let ourselves get blackmailed and bullied
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: by China and we just roll over. It is completely embarrassing.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: And keep in mind, this mega embassy is fifty five
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: thousand square meters, two hundred underground rooms, including underground communications cables.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, this thing is basically a fortress in the
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: heart of London that many security experts are worried will
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: be used as a hub for massive espionage activities and
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: just all sorts of nefarious activities you would not want
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: China doing in the middle of London.
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: Have you seen the consulate in Sydney, The Chinese consulate
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: in Sydney. It's this giant the size of a whole
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: suburban block, and it's in and it's concrete.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: I've got one in Adelaide too, because I remember it
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: was a big hullabaloo when they built it there. And
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: it's like a fortress. It's in the middle of suburban
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Adelaide and it is if they've got these huge fences,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: it is like a fortress.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: I love the suburbs, but I think we're missing the
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: real point of the story here, which is that Kios
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: Starmer actually greeted journalists and officials and business people on
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: the plane as he was going to China, saying, quote,
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: sit back, enjoy the rest of the flight. I'll be
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: bringing the plane in from here. Mark a historical first.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: This is the first time and all of recorded human history,
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: that Kirs Starmer has told a joke.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, he has two every now and again,
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: because well he doesn't really have to tell jokes, does he,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: because like he's.
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: Entire Are you going to say he is a giant?
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Basically no, But I'm sorry, any guy who is in
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: power for less than a year, and well maybe Albany's
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: sort of seeing a little bit of it in one nation,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: But any guy who's in powerful less than a year
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: and manages to and everything around and then reform is
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: going to be like the next government like that.
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: He's polls in through the floor, he.
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: Is, but he's on the plus side.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: He has completely destroyed the Conservative Party, well also destroyed
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: his own party, but you know it's good effort to
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: Well, someone who's not laughing at any jokes is Donald Trump.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: But the Grammys. Trevor Noah, the comedian, told a joke
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: about him needing to find a new island now that
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: Epstein Island was unavailable. Here was the joke.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Congratulations Billie Eilish.
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: Wow, that is a Grammy that every artist wants almost
• 35:36
  Speaker 7: as much as Trump wants Greenland, Which makes sense, I mean,
• 35:40
  Speaker 7: because Epstein's island is gone. He needs a new one
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: to hang out with Bill Clinton. So oh, I told
• 35:45
  Speaker 7: you it's my last year. What are you going to
• 35:47
  Speaker 7: do about it?
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: A job?
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: Not even that funny, but okay. Trump was of course
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: not happy with the insinuation that he had been on
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: epstein Island, which he repeatedly denies he has. He went
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: onto truth Social and said, the Grammy Awards are the worst,
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: virtually unwatchable. CBS is lucky not to have this garbage
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: liner on their airwaves any longer. The host, Trevor Noah,
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: whoever he may be, is almost as bad as Jimmy
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: Kimmel at the low ratings Academy Awards, super funny, and
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: now he's threatening to take legal action against Tremonoah.
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: My understanding is that Trump actually wasn't that offended about
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: being out as being on Jeffrey Epstein's island at all.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: He was incredibly offended, however, that he was hanging out
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: with the Clintons.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Well, both may will be true, and just if around
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: find out, I think is what you say to mister
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Noah on this one. After the break, we'll get into
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: the papers, we'll go through how they're covering the interest
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: rate rams That of course came down today in the
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: extraordinary story of a prisoner who bashed up his sealmmate
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: for making two minute.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Noodles don't go away.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Let's take a look at how tomorrow's newspapers are covering
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: jimflation and the increase the interest rates. That's you trust
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: someone when they got nothing to do.
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: With obviously, wasn't listening.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: On the front of your newspaper, Joe, the Daily Telegraph
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: tomorrow some disagreement about that point. It says inflation is
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: soaring and mortgage rates are up, but Jim says it's
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: got nothing to do with him.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: The rate pretender.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Good headline on the front of the Herald Sun, they say,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: lacking charm, fears more rate hikes ahead as treasurer runs
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: out of excuses for runaway inflation. It's grim Jim on
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: the front of the Advertiser, charmers logic. Rate cuts are
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: all me, but rises anyone but me, And they've noted
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: there that May last year, he said, the soft landing
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: that we've been aiming for and trying to engineer in
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: our economy looks more and more likely now. I mean today,
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: he says The statement released by the Independent Reserve Bank
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: explaining the decision that they have taken today does.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Not mention government spending.
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: Two faces of gym inflation is the headline.
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: Those faces look very similar.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Ah well, well, one's slightly more weary than the other.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: I think on the front of the Mercury down in
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: tazzy difficult news, rate rise, pain to hit and how's
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: the Australian covering at prayer.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: On the Australian wrong way you pay? Jim Chalmer's productivity
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: agenda is crumbling and labour faces inflation surging to more
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: than four percent price growth saying elevated until mid twenty
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: twenty seven, and at least one more interest rate hike
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: after the Reserve Bank raised raids and delivered dismal predictions
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: on the economy's weak capacity.
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: Well, when you put it like that, it sounds bad.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: As Michelle Bullert canded down the first cash rate hike
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: in more than two years. On Tuesday, the Reserve Bank
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: governor admitted the RBA's concerns about trade distrus options to
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: the international economy had not materialized and that it underestimated
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: the heat in the economy. I think what they also
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: significantly underestimated was the level of government spending, and that
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: was one of the points that was actually made in
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: a lot of the RBA modeling. They just take it
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: face value, the estimates that the government provides to them
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: of what they're going to be spending, except if we
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: know one thing about this labor government, they're always going
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: to spend more and so that extra public money gets
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: pumped into the economy and then get inflation surging like
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: what we've seen.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that is indeed what some experts did in the
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: front page said in the front page of Yesterday's Australian,
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: and certainly Shane Oliver, who is quite a respected economist,
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: had said that he thought that public spending was fueling
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: inflation and that it wasn't consumers going out there.
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: However, myself, as an art student, I disagree.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: And it's so obviously, at least in part the fault
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: of public spending, because almost every job created in this
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: country now certainly the last company is something like seventy
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: percent of jobs are in some way linked to the government.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: So it's either health or its education. They're getting money
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: from the government. Yeah, in some way that's the only
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: real job creation we have in this country is funded
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: in one way or another by the government. We bring
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: all these people in and then the government finds them
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: a job and lo and behold, inflation happens. And then
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: of course you have energy subsidies which they are now
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: taking away. And what we're quickly discovering is that it
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: didn't reduce inflation at all, which is simply government money
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: that made the inflation number look a little lower, and
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: then you take that away and the inflation goes back
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: up again. It ain't helping.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: Yep. Our country, unfortunately, is on the brink of complete
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: economic disaster and we seem just to be sleepwalking into its.
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: Doing such a good job.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Well, look at the rest of the world.
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: They're not put their interest rates exactly.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: Also in the Australian Tomorrow, Morrison's men threw me under
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: the Britney bus. Brown. In an extraordinary legal proceeding, former
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: Liberal staff of Fiona Brown has accused then Prime Minister
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: Scott Morrison and his most senior advisors of muzzling her
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: and preventing her from responding to false allegations by Britney
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: Higgins that destroyed her life. Brown alleges that Morrison's top
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: advisors gagged her and failed to consult her on the
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: responses they gave to media questions purportedly on her behalf
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: in the aftermath of claims that she had helped cover
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: up the Higgins rape. Pretty interesting article there. You can
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: read the full thing in the OS tomorrow. But you know,
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: in this whole saga, I have felt so bad for
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: Fiona Brown and Linda Reynolds and the way the allegations
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: of this cover up were just able to run wild
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: for years.
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: This is the Tokyo Firestorm of stories. It is a
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: story that is so explosive that it actually sucks fuel
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: towards it. The hotder it gets, and then it burns
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: that and it gets hotter, and it sucks more people
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: in and more people in it.
• 42:13
  Speaker 6: Now literally every single.
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: Person involved in this story has been destroyed by it,
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: including the people who started it.
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: And it is just a human tragedy.
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: Is It's just a trail of human wreckage on a
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: scale I have never seen before in my life.
• 42:29
  Speaker 6: Anyway, never ending.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Also in the Australian Tomorrow, last ditch bid to reunite
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: the coalition, Nationals leader David little Proud is expected to
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: issue a last ditch offer to reunite the Coalition in
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: a meeting with Susan Lee on Wednesday, after his MP's
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: responded with a hard no to the Liberals proposal to
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: reform if three of the Country Party's senators were benched
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: from the shadow ministry for six months.
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: I just love the solution to the coalition's problems. It's
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: now got a one in front of its primary vote
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: number that's decided. The solution is to make the three
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: offending shadow front benches, remove them from the front bench
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: for six months, and then they can come back and
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: then everything's fine again.
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: That is that's that is genius.
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: That is political four d chess like I have never
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: said that's it's amazing.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: We don't know what to say.
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: Where could I hire these guys? A few problems my.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Own, you couldn't couldn't get better.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: And we don't know what's in this sort of counterproposal yet.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: I guess we might find out. I'm sure it'll be
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: leaked in about five seconds flat, blat.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: I guarantee all the coalition's promises, whether it's six months
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: or three months or ten months or it doesn't matter, mate.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: You've got bigger problems than that anyway, let's go to
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: the cans Post where they know a story when they
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: see one bursting it that seems breach bail laws could
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: implode struggling system and this is a story that we
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: have seen all over the country. I think Victoria had
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: similar problems. Proposed breach bail go to jail laws are
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: facing a major hurdle, with police union officials warning changes
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: could really worsened attention over crowding, with many Queensland watchhouses
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: already operating over capasi. In other words, we can't arrest
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: or put in jail all the people or the criminals
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: that we need to because our jails are already to
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: full because we haven't built enough to cope with the
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: crime wave that has.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: Occurred under fillmore jails.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: That's t nation.
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: But you young people, you know that's crazy and someone
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: who well may find themselves being refused bail shortly. Noodle
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: noise led to brutal TV attack. A convicted housebreaker smashed
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: his prison cellmate head three times with a television set
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: after his cellmate turned it on at five am and
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: began making two minute noodles loudly. A court has been
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: told when questioned by police officers in Townsville who attended
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: the blood spattered scene about why he attacked his sale
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: mate are Keem Saki, Alfred Brimm set of names you
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: don't see together too often multicultural Diversity of Strength twenty
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: three replied, quote respect telling the officers he needed to
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: be moved or he'd kill him quite unquote the court her,
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: oh dear, And I guess he's not at least a
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: victim of the overcrowding in the jails because he's already
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: known there.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there'll be plenty to play out in the
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: court here.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: But I mean the poor poor Chappa who allegedly was
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: hit over the head with the television. I mean, he's
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: just woken up, decided he's going to watch first Edition
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: on SCAR News, is tuning into to Pete Stefanovic two
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: minute noodles.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: I don't want a victim blame, but turning the TV
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: on and making noodles at five in the morning is considerate.
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, considerate.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: I'm just probably cap someone with the telly on at
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: five in the morning. After the break, we'll get into
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: some of the more weird and wacky.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: News of the day. Don't go away.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Now, I imagine you're relaxing on the weekend. You're sitting
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: at home, having a couple of bevies, and someone starts
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: having a fight at the front of your house. Well,
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: that's exactly what happened to a chap in Taparu in
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Adelaide in the Western suburbs, and he had footage of this,
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: so he's given it over to Channel nine and Channel
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: nine send to report around to have a chat with
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: him and I reckon this could well be in the
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: running for one of the best pieces to camera of
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: the year thus far.
• 46:27
  Speaker 8: I don't know what's going on here. I was just relaxing.
• 46:30
  Speaker 8: I was trying to watch a movie, you know. I
• 46:31
  Speaker 8: had a couple of glasses of wine and then I
• 46:34
  Speaker 8: used to be yelling and stuff and they started running
• 46:36
  Speaker 8: down here with rocks and bats.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Plays a fight outside of my.
• 46:42
  Speaker 8: Sha, but they weren't actually fighting. It's like thirty of them.
• 46:46
  Speaker 8: What the heck's going on there? Which just relax mate.
• 46:49
  Speaker 8: But everyone, we're in Australia, you know, there's no need
• 46:53
  Speaker 8: for this drama.
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: I love it so much.
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: He sounds like he's got a Kiwi accent, but he's
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: live in.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Australian made well, when you get to fight about come down.
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: I just love it. How Australian that is. He hasn't
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: got a shirt on.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: It's just chef's kiss.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: You can imagine the reporters and the producers and the
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: chief of staff just looked at that when this is gold.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: That is some true blue spirit.
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: Right there, mate. That man our first president.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah well no, no, we should never have a president.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: But if we are to have one, if we.
• 47:22
  Speaker 6: Do have to have one, now that WARN's gone, it
• 47:24
  Speaker 6: should be him.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: Someone who will be a little less excited is the
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: Spanish figure skater who's due to compete in the line
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: of the Winter Olympics in just a couple of days.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: His routine has previously had Minion music in it, but
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: he's now due to copyright issue, has been told to
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: scrap it and he's scrambling. Just days out from the competition.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: Here was his Minion routine. I find the music and
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: the costume a little bit distracting, to be honest.
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: It's kind of a Spanish answer to Reyguan.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah that is that's a good shout.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: That is a good I think he'll be sove better without.
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: The Universal Studios has done the world service.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: That match.
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: That's right, we're helping.
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: We're trying to help you, mate, I promise you no.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: I know I might not seem like it, but we're
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: trying to help you. Someone else who needs no help
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: is this next gentleman. He is a ninety one year
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: old former champion gymnast who has made a comeback to trampolining,
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: an underrated sport in my view, have a look at
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: him there, forty years after his last competition the Royal
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: The Royal Air Force veteran Peter Quinny performed moves including
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: a three hundred.
• 49:02
  Speaker 6: And sixty degree spin. He's wow, wow, that's pretty good.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry if I'm in that, If I'm in that
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: condition at ninety one, you're doing exceptionally well, I think, Joe.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Will we see you on the trampoline ninety one?
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'm going home tonight to that's his regime.
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: I'm not coming down.
• 49:22
  Speaker 6: That's the tropic.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Tonight. I'll see you on the trampoline.
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: On the other side, he's the redepending his show