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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 2-10-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 2: and of course there's always something to talk about in
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Speaker 2: the NBA. We are exactly one year removed from the blockbuster,
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Speaker 2: at least not yet with the Lakers after that trade
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Speaker 2: that brought them the superstar from Slovenia.
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Speaker 3: So we'll get into all of that with Gordy and
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Speaker 3: much much more.
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Speaker 2: There was a game last night in college basketball, and
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Speaker 2: we talked about this with Ari Temkin on the show,
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Speaker 2: where an undefeated number one University of Arizona was taking
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Speaker 2: on a blue blooded, you know, top fifteen program in
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Speaker 2: Kansas that had seen some shaky games but has the
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Speaker 2: number one player in the country. In a lot of
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Speaker 2: people's minds that Darren Peterson for many has emerged as
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Speaker 2: the guy who's going to be the number one overall
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Speaker 2: half pick. And I cannot tell you how much more vehementally,
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Speaker 2: vehementally I disagree with that reasoning after what we saw
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Speaker 2: last night.
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Speaker 3: I will allow for.
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Speaker 2: One tiny little asterix, but you've got Kansas. You're the
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Speaker 2: number one team in the country. You're trying to finish
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Speaker 2: off an undefeated regular season. Excuse me, you're Arizona trying
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Speaker 2: to finish off for an undefeated regular season. You're Kansas
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Speaker 2: trying to knock off the number one team in the country,
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Speaker 2: and you decide as the best player on the team,
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Speaker 2: as the guy that everyone is focused on, as the
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Speaker 2: individual who dozens of executives and scouts flew in to watch.
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Speaker 2: Darren Peterson was a big reason, not the only reason,
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Speaker 2: but perhaps the biggest reason that nearly the entire NBA
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Speaker 2: scouting community descended on that game, and he ended up
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Speaker 2: being a scratch, not playing flu like symptoms. Now, I
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Speaker 2: gotta give the kid a little bit of grace because
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Speaker 2: he wasn't even born when Michael Jordan played the flu game. However,
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Speaker 2: you're supposed to be the best player in the country.
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Speaker 2: There's only one symptom, in my opinion, there's only one
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Speaker 2: symptom that you can be dealing with that would qualify
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Speaker 2: you as being unable to play all right. Flu like
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Speaker 2: symptoms is kind of a catch all on the Pepto
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Speaker 2: Bismo label, James. It tells you that it handles a
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Speaker 2: few things. Nausea, heartburn, indigestion, upset stomach.
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Speaker 3: Everyone knows what the last one is.
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Speaker 2: That's the only one that if you're dealing with that,
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Speaker 2: you can say, coach, I'm not playing this game.
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Speaker 3: You got nausea, Oh well, you're gonna throw up.
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Speaker 2: Oh well, we'll make sure there's a garbage can next
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Speaker 2: to you at all times. You got heartburn, don't care.
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Speaker 2: Your nose is running, don't care. You're feverish, don't care.
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Speaker 2: You got a headache, a splitting headache. Hydrate yourself and
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Speaker 2: take some ibuprofen. What's the headache motron? Which one's the
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Speaker 2: headache medicine? Ibuprofen? There's one that's like the headache et cetera.
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Speaker 3: Is it medicine like?
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Speaker 2: I will allow I will say, all right, and hopefully
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Speaker 2: this is the his agent and his coaches and whoever
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Speaker 2: is saying to all of the gathered scouts and NBA
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Speaker 2: executives that watched, specifically for Darren Peterson, hey, he's not
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Speaker 2: gonna play tonight.
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Speaker 3: All of them are like, what why did I get
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Speaker 3: on an airplane?
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Speaker 4: Net?
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Speaker 2: What do you mean he's not gonna play? What do
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Speaker 2: you mean he's sick? How sick is he? Well, he's
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Speaker 2: a he's got a really really stuff. He knows he's
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Speaker 2: got a bad sore throat. At this point, even if
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Speaker 2: you have COVID, you can't say I'm too sick.
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Speaker 3: They're the only flu like symptom.
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Speaker 2: Because it is a catch all that I will give
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Speaker 2: you a pass on not playing in a game like that.
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Speaker 2: One if you're supposed to be the number one player
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Speaker 2: in the country. Is the when you're climbing up a
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Speaker 2: ladder and you feel a a sudden splatter. If you
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Speaker 2: have that, all right, fine, We're not going to tell
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Speaker 2: you to put on some depends and go play basketball
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Speaker 2: anything else, though. You have to ride it out with
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Speaker 2: your team. Now, Kansas, I don't know, Kansas.
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Speaker 3: They found a way. They won anyway.
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Speaker 2: Kansas hands Arizona it's first loss of the season. You
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Speaker 2: get three guys in double figures. If I'm in the
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Speaker 2: NBA and I don't have an adequate explanation beyond he
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Speaker 2: was just feeling sick. That is one of those situations
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Speaker 2: where I'm like, I'm gonna really take a second, third, fourth, fifth, tenth,
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Speaker 2: look at how much I believe this kid deserves to
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Speaker 2: be the number one overall pick in an NBA draft,
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Speaker 2: because we have seen in pro sports, and in the
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Speaker 2: NBA more specifically than any other pro sport, that sometimes
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Speaker 2: the best of ability is availability, and there's already enough
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Speaker 2: of the load management. There's already enough of the Kawhi
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Speaker 2: Leonard situations going on in the NBA, and those guys
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Speaker 2: to some extent, Kawhi Leonard, to some extent, as begrudgingly
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Speaker 2: as I say this, he's kind of earned that right.
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Speaker 2: He's been an All NBA, All Star, NBA Champion player
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Speaker 2: for long enough that if he wants to play this
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Speaker 2: game and screw a team over, and screw a franch
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Speaker 2: eyes over and just get the Golden parachute and find
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Speaker 2: a way to minimize the damage on his body and
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Speaker 2: maximize the dollars in his bank account. I mean, I guess,
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Speaker 2: after you win a championship. I could say, fine, if
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Speaker 2: that's if that's your priority, Like you kind of did
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Speaker 2: what you're supposed to do in the NBA, not for
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Speaker 2: that franchise, not for the current franchise he's playing for.
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Speaker 2: But I, like many of you, last night was like, Okay,
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Speaker 2: got a nice little evening plan.
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Speaker 3: Here's what we're gonna do. Gonna make some dinner for
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Speaker 3: the kids. Will make it easy.
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Speaker 2: Let's do some like Trader Joe's chicken nugs, all right,
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Speaker 2: cut up some fruit, make sure they got some milk,
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Speaker 2: and we're gonna throw on the Olympics, all right, and
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Speaker 2: we're gonna bounce back and forth.
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Speaker 3: We're gonna use that sacred last channel.
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Speaker 2: Button on the remote during all the breaks, so we're
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Speaker 2: gonna check in on what's going on with college hoops
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Speaker 2: and most of the country that wanted to watch that
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Speaker 2: Top fifteen Premier matchup undefeated, number one team in the country,
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Speaker 2: Big twelve, power blue blood. This matchup Arizona Kansas in
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Speaker 2: basketball was one of the only things that we were
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Speaker 2: looking forward to with the death of the Pac twelve
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Speaker 2: and the reorganization the realignment of college football in college basketball,
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Speaker 2: this was one of those tiny little silver linings like, oh,
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Speaker 2: won't it be cool to have Arizona basketball in Kansas
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Speaker 2: basketball in the same conference. That's kind of neat, like
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Speaker 2: Arizona basketball being thrown in with Houston and Iowa State
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Speaker 2: and Baylor, and somebody say, that's kind of cool, right,
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Speaker 2: That was one of our silver linings. Number one Arizona,
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Speaker 2: number nine Kansas. And the cherry on top is you're
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Speaker 2: talking about at least two, probably three NBA lottery picks
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Speaker 2: squaring off and playing against one another in this game.
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Speaker 2: Oh wait, not the case, because the guy that a
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Speaker 2: lot of people have tabbed.
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Speaker 3: His number one, he's not playing. He's sick.
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Speaker 2: And by the way, the conspiracists are out there. I
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Speaker 2: don't know if you saw this, but there was a
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Speaker 2: guy apparently he's a statistician for who does like freelance
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Speaker 2: work for ESPN. He was texting updates to somebody on
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Speaker 2: his phone and somebody sitting behind him saw looked at
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Speaker 2: his phone and saw what he was typing, and zoomed
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Speaker 2: in on that and was like, Hey, what is this
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Speaker 2: guy saying? In the The messaging was effectively.
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Speaker 3: Peterson said he was sick.
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Speaker 2: Bill self said, well, don't even play if you're just
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Speaker 2: gonna have half asset. And then then Aaron Peter said, Okay, fine,
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Speaker 2: I'm done. I'm out.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: Kansas has come out, Associate athletic director has come out
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Speaker 2: and said that's incorrect. This person doesn't have insider information.
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Speaker 2: This is all speculative whatever. And that may very well
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Speaker 2: be true. But here's the thing that to me is like,
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Speaker 2: even if that is a totally fabricated story, the fact
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Speaker 2: that you have to question its legitimacy is enough of
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Speaker 2: a character question about this player.
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Speaker 3: To say, well, is he really the number one guy?
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Speaker 2: And I know that the NBA has this long history
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Speaker 2: of caring more about your traits and your skill set
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Speaker 2: than about anything else, and the NBA and the NFL
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Speaker 2: are more guilty of that than really probably any other
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Speaker 2: business in America, because your traits and your skills can
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Speaker 2: kind of like a wash out a lot of the
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Speaker 2: character flaws that you have, but competitiveness, willingness to play
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Speaker 2: when you're hurt, willingness to play when you're sick, willingness
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Speaker 2: to play when the conditions are not ideal, that should
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Speaker 2: be considered with one of those measurements, like you don't
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Speaker 2: have a measurement for it, but it's at least as important,
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Speaker 2: probably more important then heightweight, speed, wingspan, all those things.
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Speaker 3: Like we'll talk about this.
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Speaker 2: I guess in the Daily that Max Crosby reportedly has
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Speaker 2: told Tom Brady, who's of course an executive with the Raiders,
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Speaker 2: that he's done. He's not going to play for the
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Speaker 2: Raiders anymore. There's reports out there saying, no, I don't
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Speaker 2: want to play now. The right amount of money could,
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Speaker 2: I'm sure mend that fence, rebuild that bridge. But part
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Speaker 2: of the reason why Max Crosby is so disgruntled and
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Speaker 2: disenfranchised right now with the Raiders is because they shut
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Speaker 2: him down and he's like, no, you don't get to
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Speaker 2: shut me down. You don't get to try to protect
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Speaker 2: me from injury. I'm a football player. I want to
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Speaker 2: play football. He's got this old school mentality of wanting
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Speaker 2: to be a competitor and not wanting to appear soft.
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Speaker 3: And I get it.
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Speaker 2: The NFL and the NBA are two very different football
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Speaker 2: and basketball, very different cultures when it comes to things
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Speaker 2: like this. But the fact that there's even if it
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Speaker 2: is speculation that some random guy has text messages on
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Speaker 2: his phone that are leaking to the media and the
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Speaker 2: athletic department feels it is credible enough in that case
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Speaker 2: to say no, no, no, no, no, we're handling this.
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Speaker 3: That's not what happened.
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Speaker 2: If you're the type of player that I use Max
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Speaker 2: Crosby as the example, but if you're the type of
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Speaker 2: player that I mean, fill in your favorite Like if
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Speaker 2: this were Andre Miller, right, if this were Hano Mettalah,
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Speaker 2: if this were Delon Wright, if this were like think
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Speaker 2: of any of your favorite m Keanu Dawes for that matter, right,
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Speaker 2: you'd be like, no, that's not a true story. He
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Speaker 2: doesn't talk to coaches like that. He doesn't walk out
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Speaker 2: on his team just because of an ego trip. So
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Speaker 2: the fact that Kansas even feels that they need to
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Speaker 2: address this means there's enough smoke that it might be fire.
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Speaker 2: And even if you take that away, even if you
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Speaker 2: take that like social media rumor aspect the way, like,
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Speaker 2: you gotta be really really really, really really really sick
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Speaker 2: to be justified in saying I'm not playing against the
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Speaker 2: number one team in the country and for people to
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Speaker 2: say you're still the number one guy in the upcoming draft,
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Speaker 2: You're the guy I want to watch more than anyone else.
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Speaker 2: You're the person I want to put by franchise hopes
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Speaker 2: in Like, if somehow the Utah Jazz won the NBA
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Speaker 2: Draft lottery and they picked a guy who in his
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Speaker 2: lone college basketball season missed half of the season and
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Speaker 2: missed at least a couple of those games due to illness.
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Speaker 2: In the game against the number one team due to illness,
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to write him off and call it
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Speaker 2: a bad pick right away, but I am going to say, hey,
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Speaker 2: you better get a really satisfactory explanation before you make
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Speaker 2: that pick. You better have a serious talk with that
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Speaker 2: individual about what happened in the Arizona game, specifically, why
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Speaker 2: did you not play in this game? And if he says, look,
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Speaker 2: I didn't play in the game because I was really
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Speaker 2: worried that I was going to throw up on the bench,
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Speaker 2: my answer to that would be like, not enough for me. Dude,
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Speaker 2: throwing up on the bench, that's just a highlight for you.
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Speaker 2: That's just something we get to put on Sports Center.
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Speaker 2: If you're throwing up on the bench, Everyone's just like,
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Speaker 2: what a competitor this guy is. Look, it's it's the
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Speaker 2: Michael Jordan flu game in Lawrence Kansas, let's go. If
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Speaker 2: if that's your excuse, I'm pushing back. The only thing
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Speaker 2: I'm saying right, flu like symptoms? Why did you not
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Speaker 2: play with flu like symptoms? I had a fever. Not
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Speaker 2: good enough kid, I was feeling achy. Not good enough kid,
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Speaker 2: running nose, Not good enough kid. If he's like, look, man,
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Speaker 2: I was gonna. I was gonna. I was gonna lose it.
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Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like I was gonna. There's
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Speaker 2: no way wearing those uniforms. I was gonna. Did you
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Speaker 2: we were in our home whites. Do you know what
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Speaker 2: happened if I was wearing those like that's the only
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Speaker 2: satisfactory explanation.
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Speaker 3: I didn't know if brown was one of Kansas's colors.
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Speaker 2: You cannot tell me that. Peterson, If that's it, right,
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Speaker 2: Darren called the show. I know you're listening right now.
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Speaker 2: Eight seven seven three five three zero seven. I probably
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Speaker 2: related down the line somewhere. I could probably find Darren
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Speaker 2: Peterson's number somewhere.
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Speaker 3: Like, if you're.
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Speaker 2: If that was why, if that's what you were scared of,
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Speaker 2: I will accept that.
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Speaker 3: But this is now too many games.
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Speaker 2: If the number one, the number one draft pick has
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Speaker 2: missed and when like legitimate injuries. Sure, if you're sick,
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Speaker 2: you gotta be like real sick. If you were if
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Speaker 2: you didn't practice, which you didn't, but you tried, Like
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Speaker 2: Bill self said, we were hoping adrenaline would kick in
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Speaker 2: and he'd be able to play.
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Speaker 3: Why didn't it? There's only one.
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Speaker 2: Symptom that disqualifies you from pushing through and playing. And
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Speaker 2: guess what if you're not effective and if you're not
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Speaker 2: going to be able to execute and you're gonna look bad,
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Speaker 2: then it's on your coach to say, look, you just
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Speaker 2: don't have it. Thanks for trying, you're too exhausted, you're sluggish, whatever,
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Speaker 2: Thanks for trying. Then your teammates get to look at
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Speaker 2: you and say thanks for trying to push through.
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Speaker 3: Man.
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Speaker 2: Then everyone at Allen Field House, hey, thank you man,
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Speaker 2: thanks for trying. But if you're like man, I'm sick,
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Speaker 2: I can't do it now, I question you everyone that
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Speaker 2: this is unfortunately what you have to do with these
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Speaker 2: student athletes now, with these athletes now, these pro athletes now,
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Speaker 2: because especially in basketball, there's a culture of coddling where
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Speaker 2: it's just like, uh, if it's remotely uncomfortable, I might
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Speaker 2: not participate.
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Speaker 3: Against the number one team in the country.
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Speaker 5: What's really funny about this, oh CEB And we'll we'll
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Speaker 5: see if this reporting in will put air quotes over it.
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Speaker 5: For now, this rumors that was circulating that Kansas internally
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Speaker 5: is denied. The way we know that that's true is
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Speaker 5: if Darren Peterson makes some kind of announcement, they're like,
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Speaker 5: I'm I'm shutting it down. I'm and preparing for the
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Speaker 5: NBA draft right if we see or if he misses
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Speaker 5: the next howe many the next four or five games,
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Speaker 5: and it's it. It's nothing serious. It's like a day
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Speaker 5: to day type sick illness or something else type of thing.
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Speaker 5: That's how we'll know if Kansas was just trying to
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Speaker 5: spend something that looks bad on their on their program,
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Speaker 5: or if it's real. The other thing related to this,
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Speaker 5: that's funny. So many people push back against load management
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Speaker 5: in the NBA in particular, and yet in college basketball
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Speaker 5: when a guy is in the running for the number
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Speaker 5: one pick. Since I think when Zion Williamson hurt himself
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Speaker 5: in the middle of his spectacular freshman season at Duke
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Speaker 5: how many years ago?
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Speaker 3: That was seven years ago, it feels.
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Speaker 5: Like every year we've had, we have college basketball media.
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Speaker 5: You're like, shut it down too much to lose? Shut
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Speaker 5: in January, shut it down too much to lose. You
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Speaker 5: don't gain anything by playing. It's like, can we can
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Speaker 5: we stop with because the rest of us hate how
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Speaker 5: much these guys are coddled, Like, can we just stop
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Speaker 5: with this stuff?
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Speaker 3: To me?
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Speaker 2: Now, if there's and by the way, I say all
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Speaker 2: this this entire rant I throw at you fully acknowledging that,
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Speaker 2: like it is possible he was genuinely debilitatingly ill.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, unable to play, genuinely unable to play because of
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Speaker 3: how sick he was. Yeah, this is what Bill self said.
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Speaker 3: Went into the training room.
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Speaker 2: He's in there trying, And I said can you And
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Speaker 2: he said, Coach, I don't think I can. To be
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Speaker 2: honest with you, I would probably rather him not play
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Speaker 2: if he couldn't contribute, just because we'd spend twenty minutes
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Speaker 2: trying to get him shots or whatever. If he doesn't
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Speaker 2: feel it, then I would much rather do it the
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Speaker 2: way that it happened. So he tried, but he just
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Speaker 2: couldn't get there. So his coach seems to be fine
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Speaker 2: with it, all right. Transparent seeing a situation like this
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Speaker 2: one is not going to be something I trust one
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Speaker 2: hundred percent. His team is used to and the number one.
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Speaker 3: Point here is that his team won.
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Speaker 6: Right.
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Speaker 2: We have watched this exact thing play out in our
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Speaker 2: own fan base where information was not one hundred percent available,
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Speaker 2: where the clarity of something related to health. In this case,
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Speaker 2: it was an injury, well, it was a couple of injuries.
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Speaker 2: It was obviously bran Keithy cam Rising and Kansas probably
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Speaker 2: feels like, hey, we did enough. We said he was sick,
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Speaker 2: he was sick, he didn't practice on Sunday, he did
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Speaker 2: the warm ups on Monday, he couldn't get there, and
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Speaker 2: we won the game. What do you want we won
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Speaker 2: the game? Well, if it were just that, if it
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Speaker 2: were just a game against again, the number one team
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Speaker 2: in the country, kind of a big deal. If it
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Speaker 2: were just a number one contender coming in to your place,
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Speaker 2: and your quote unquote best player can't push through and
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Speaker 2: make himself available as long as it's satisfactory for you.
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Speaker 2: I guess the rest of us should take that. But
22:09
Speaker 2: if I'm an executive, a scout, a coach in the
22:13
Speaker 2: NBA that spent my time, my resources. By the way,
22:15
Speaker 2: during the regular season, so I could go watch this
22:19
Speaker 2: kid play, and more importantly, I'm trying to project what
22:23
Speaker 2: he is going to be at the next level. My
22:27
Speaker 2: question is a serious one, like, all right, is this
22:31
Speaker 2: guy what we need? Is this guy married to the game?
22:36
Speaker 2: Is this guy worthy of the number one pick? With
22:39
Speaker 2: his mentality? Can you depend on a guy like that?
22:43
Speaker 2: And honestly, Bill's self is the kind of individual that
22:48
Speaker 2: he's gonna do. He's gonna front facing, He's gonna tell
22:52
Speaker 2: people what he's supposed to tell them. He's gonna say
22:54
Speaker 2: this right behind closed doors. He's gonna tell the NBA
22:58
Speaker 2: executives and scouts the truth. And I hope those two
23:02
Speaker 2: things match up genuinely. For Darren Peterson's sake, for his
23:05
Speaker 2: family's sake, I hope that I am dead wrong about this.
23:09
Speaker 2: But I have to question it because there are people
23:14
Speaker 2: in Kansas questioning it. There are people at that game
23:19
Speaker 2: sitting courtside saying, yeah, here's what I heard, and I
23:22
Speaker 2: believe it. Like I know, it's reductive to keep relating
23:29
Speaker 2: it back to something that is now old news for
23:31
Speaker 2: the University of Utah, But there were a lot of
23:34
Speaker 2: people who said, I'll get you know, Cam Rising doesn't
23:38
Speaker 2: want to play. He's just cashing his nil checks whatever,
23:42
Speaker 2: because we weren't getting clarity on his recovery, on his injury, prognosis,
23:46
Speaker 2: things like that, and the entirety of that time. My
23:51
Speaker 2: stance was, that's not correct. Cam Rising wants to play.
23:57
Speaker 2: Cam Rising is not like the text message you would get,
24:02
Speaker 2: like I heard, Cam Rising just told the coach he
24:05
Speaker 2: doesn't want to go. I wouldn't believe that. If someone
24:09
Speaker 2: sent me that, I'd be like, that's not true. There's
24:10
Speaker 2: something going on here. His surgeon won't let him play whatever,
24:13
Speaker 2: they won't give him the release. Now, who knows who's
24:17
Speaker 2: right in that case, But the fact that you're getting
24:21
Speaker 2: that kind of rumor and that there are enough people
24:24
Speaker 2: who believe it that the associate athletic director at Kansas
24:28
Speaker 2: feels like he has to respond, He has to come
24:30
Speaker 2: out and say, no, that's not true to me.
24:34
Speaker 3: That's something.
24:39
Speaker 2: And it's even more important to talk about this right
24:41
Speaker 2: now because the Utah Jazz could potentially be in a
24:45
Speaker 2: position to draft somebody like Darren Peterson. They could and
24:49
Speaker 2: they maybe that's hit number one unlikely in my opinion.
24:52
Speaker 3: Maybe that's a number one.
24:53
Speaker 2: Maybe it's hitt number three because a guy like him
24:56
Speaker 2: has now had these questions come up around him. So
25:00
Speaker 2: he doesn't get taken number one, he doesn't get taken
25:02
Speaker 2: number two. Maybe you're sitting at number three and you
25:04
Speaker 2: wanted Aj Debonsa, but AJ Debonza has made himself available,
25:09
Speaker 2: has played through illness, has played through injury, and the
25:12
Speaker 2: NBA knows that, so they're like, all right, we're taking
25:14
Speaker 2: him too, and Peterson's now available for you at three.
25:20
Speaker 2: And look, rumors are not enough. We saw how this
25:23
Speaker 2: works out with the Ace Bailey situation, right. There were
25:26
Speaker 2: a lot of rumors and innuendo around that situation, and
25:30
Speaker 2: he has been here long enough to prove that we
25:33
Speaker 2: shouldn't have been. Anyone who was questioning him that way
25:35
Speaker 2: should not have been. He's committed to playing for the Jazz.
25:38
Speaker 2: He's done a great job playing for the Jazz, et cetera,
25:40
Speaker 2: et cetera. But that was instead of Kansas winning without
25:46
Speaker 2: him by number one. Takeaway from this game, and it
25:48
Speaker 2: could be a me problem, was wait a second, you
25:52
Speaker 2: know how sick you would have to be to not
25:55
Speaker 2: play against the number one undefeated team in the country
25:58
Speaker 2: at your home place.
26:00
Speaker 3: You know you would have to be beyond ill.
26:03
Speaker 5: And to be fair, like you said, maybe he was,
26:07
Speaker 5: but we I mean maybe. I guess Michael Jordan and
26:12
Speaker 5: others have he's the most famous one, but there's been
26:14
Speaker 5: other cases of guys playing with flu like symptoms. I
26:18
Speaker 5: think that I guess it's ruined it for a guy
26:20
Speaker 5: like Darren Peterson in this case.
26:22
Speaker 2: Right, Well, I can't decide if Michael Jordan's willingness to
26:28
Speaker 2: play through that.
26:31
Speaker 3: Is what's ruined it, or if it's.
26:34
Speaker 2: Anthony Davis, Kawhi, Leonard fill in the blank, everyone's yeah,
26:38
Speaker 2: everyone's unwillingness to play through it.
26:40
Speaker 5: The load, the load management at a different level, but also.
26:46
Speaker 3: But lated.
26:47
Speaker 2: But Darren Peters, like Darren Peterson and the people around
26:50
Speaker 2: him and probably even his teammates at Kansas and him
26:53
Speaker 2: like he already views himself as a professional basketball player
26:57
Speaker 2: because he is well.
26:59
Speaker 5: And that's why I bring up the ridiculous It seems
27:02
Speaker 5: like every year and it hasn't been brought up with
27:05
Speaker 5: Darren Peterson yet, but I guarantee he gets he turns
27:10
Speaker 5: his ankle. We're gonna see so many national college basketball
27:15
Speaker 5: writers and talking heads say, well, that's it got to
27:20
Speaker 5: sit them there. They could be a they could be
27:22
Speaker 5: in line for a three seed in the NCAA Tournament.
27:24
Speaker 5: I just just sit it out because because you have
27:28
Speaker 5: too much to lose. It's like, man, like, how about
27:31
Speaker 5: we encourage guys to.
27:32
Speaker 3: Play basketball instead? Right?
27:34
Speaker 5: And to be fair, that has not happened yet with
27:36
Speaker 5: Darreon Peterson. I'm just kind of projecting as to how
27:39
Speaker 5: it It feels like we're headed there because he's already
27:42
Speaker 5: missed so many games. This is it's not been in
27:45
Speaker 5: illness every time. This is the first time it's been
27:47
Speaker 5: in a in a significant illness that's left him out,
27:51
Speaker 5: but he's had other things like he only played one
27:53
Speaker 5: half against BYU, Right, they only needed him for that
27:57
Speaker 5: one half. But it's like, when is it gonna be
28:03
Speaker 5: When is it gonna be big enough for this guy
28:05
Speaker 5: to be able to play? And and when are we
28:07
Speaker 5: going to stop telling? When are we going to stop
28:10
Speaker 5: encouraging guys to to sit out the rest of the
28:13
Speaker 5: season when they're when they have a high draft pick.
28:15
Speaker 5: It's like you when when they're not, when it didn't
28:18
Speaker 5: blow out their knee or something, right, like, injuries happen,
28:21
Speaker 5: it's fine.
28:23
Speaker 3: Uh, Derek.
28:24
Speaker 2: He said he if you're appealing that sick, at what
28:26
Speaker 2: point does your play become a detriment to the team.
28:28
Speaker 2: It's better if you don't play. That's something you got
28:30
Speaker 2: to calculate. And again bill Sell's sentiment, Also, you didn't
28:37
Speaker 2: question Nick Bolsa when he stopped playing at Ohio State.
28:39
Speaker 3: Yes, I did.
28:41
Speaker 5: That might have been directed like the Ohio State had
28:45
Speaker 5: he also had a season and basically a season ending
28:49
Speaker 5: knee injury. I mean, he he could have rehabbed and
28:52
Speaker 5: gotten back in time for the playoff, perhaps with the
28:54
Speaker 5: Rose Bowl. But like, that's that's different than a guy
28:58
Speaker 5: sitting out for flu like symptoms.
29:01
Speaker 3: Well, and that's I understand.
29:04
Speaker 2: There's a sentiment that like, Okay, well, if I'm sick
29:09
Speaker 2: and I pushed through, I'm more likely to get injured here.
29:12
Speaker 3: And if I'm if I injure.
29:13
Speaker 2: Myself, it could screw First of all, probably wouldn't screw
29:16
Speaker 2: up your draft prospects if everyone really believes this about you.
29:19
Speaker 2: Second of all, that mentality that permeates basketball that we
29:25
Speaker 2: have to bubble wrap everything is in every other case,
29:29
Speaker 2: probably every time you see it, you're bothered by it.
29:31
Speaker 2: Every time you see it, You're just like, oh, here
29:33
Speaker 2: you go. Here he goes kawhi again. He's got a hangnail,
29:35
Speaker 2: so he doesn't want to play tonight. Here's Lebron again,
29:38
Speaker 2: not playing for the Utah Jazz fan base in Salt
29:41
Speaker 2: Lake City because he's a little bit tired of being
29:43
Speaker 2: on a back to back or whatever. And then when
29:46
Speaker 2: you when you question it, and again, I could be
29:49
Speaker 2: completely off base and totally unfair here, but when you
29:52
Speaker 2: start to question it whether or not this is the
29:54
Speaker 2: right way to handle things, then suddenly the pushback is, well, no, this,
30:00
Speaker 2: this is what you're supposed to do.
30:02
Speaker 3: So we have to decide collectively as a family. Are
30:04
Speaker 3: you supposed to.
30:05
Speaker 2: Coddle yourself and your teammates and the players for your
30:07
Speaker 2: favorite teams are your least favorite teams? Are you supposed
30:10
Speaker 2: to expect highly compensated athletes with high expectations to push
30:15
Speaker 2: through illness to play.
30:19
Speaker 3: This was the number one team in the country.
30:21
Speaker 2: If this was a game against Oklahoma State or Utah.
30:25
Speaker 3: I'd be like, yep, that sucks. He was sick. It
30:28
Speaker 3: was Arizona undefeated.
30:30
Speaker 2: Arizona and his teammates figured it out, and I have
30:35
Speaker 2: done them a disservice by talking for thirty minutes about
30:38
Speaker 2: the guy who decided not to play.
30:39
Speaker 5: Shout out to Kansas for winning anyway, how about that.
30:43
Speaker 5: Congrats to our guys, to Bill Riley and Ari Tempkin.
30:47
Speaker 2: All right, yeah, we'll take a quick one here. Maybe
30:51
Speaker 2: you know, oftentimes I feel like firm in my opinions
30:55
Speaker 2: on this and then someone who knows way more about
30:58
Speaker 2: basketball will say, no, this was the right thing.
31:01
Speaker 3: And that's usually Gordy.
31:04
Speaker 2: He's like one of the only people in my life
31:07
Speaker 2: they could have me change my mind, Gordia Siason. Next,
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Speaker 2: it's The Sean O'Connell Show ESPN seven hundred ninety TWOEFM.
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Speaker 3: Peace out.
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Speaker 1: Let's get the latest on the Ute God Jazz with
31:20
Speaker 1: former Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more about
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Speaker 1: the NBA than any of us will ever know.
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Speaker 3: Let's not get crazy. Come for the hoops talk.
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Speaker 1: Stay for his list of the day.
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Speaker 3: My list today.
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Speaker 1: Here's oc with basketball sob on Gordy Chiasa on The
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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show once again.
31:45
Speaker 2: Welcome in Gordy Chiasa, resident of NBA Guru, brought to
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31:53
Speaker 3: Gordy, welcome back to the show.
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Speaker 6: How are you sean?
31:56
Speaker 7: A dude's fine? Also for yourself, welcome back to to
31:58
Speaker 7: the States.
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Speaker 3: Thanks very much.
32:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, last Thursday Friday, I was off in Dubai and
32:05
Speaker 2: it's always good to come home. Makes you grateful to
32:08
Speaker 2: be an American every time you get to come back
32:10
Speaker 2: to the United States of America.
32:12
Speaker 3: I don't know if you.
32:13
Speaker 7: Heard International Mystery.
32:17
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm like Austin Powers. Yeah, I like it.
32:22
Speaker 2: Okay, Gordy, I don't know if you heard me ranting
32:25
Speaker 2: about the Kansas Arizona game last night and Darren Peterson
32:29
Speaker 2: not playing.
32:30
Speaker 3: Now.
32:31
Speaker 2: The explanation was he's sick flu like symptoms. And I
32:36
Speaker 2: know on this is a real thing. The number one
32:39
Speaker 2: team in the country coming to your place. My expectation,
32:43
Speaker 2: if I'm a season ticket holder, if I'm a fan,
32:45
Speaker 2: if I'm a coach, if I'm a teammate is man.
32:48
Speaker 2: Unless you're on death stoor, you're playing in that game.
32:51
Speaker 2: And it was reported that a large, large contingent of
32:55
Speaker 2: NBA personalities were in town to scout that game, and
32:59
Speaker 2: of course there would be some disappointment that somebody like
33:01
Speaker 2: Darren Peterson is not playing. My question for you is,
33:04
Speaker 2: right like they fly Gordy Chase out there to Lawrence
33:07
Speaker 2: to watch that game, to watch Darren Peterson, and then
33:10
Speaker 2: he doesn't play because of an illness, what is your
33:12
Speaker 2: process do then? Do you go like, all right, well,
33:14
Speaker 2: I'm gonna stay after, I'm going to talk to the coach,
33:16
Speaker 2: I'm gonna talk to the kid, I'm gonna see how
33:18
Speaker 2: sick he really was. How do you handle it when
33:20
Speaker 2: something like that goes down? From an NBA side.
33:23
Speaker 7: Of things, it's a long because also he missed other
33:28
Speaker 7: games previously, so there's been a pattern there where he
33:32
Speaker 7: has an ankle injury and the question is could he
33:36
Speaker 7: play with rehab or he's just sitting out where he
33:41
Speaker 7: might be getting advice from his agent to sit out,
33:44
Speaker 7: because we want you to be one hundred percent all
33:46
Speaker 7: the time. And so from a team standpoint, it affects
33:50
Speaker 7: the group and would I would talk to the general
33:53
Speaker 7: manager of the team and also anybody around the organ
33:57
Speaker 7: the college and campus that you trust to find out
34:01
Speaker 7: more about his personality and they will the NBA teams
34:04
Speaker 7: will do due diligence before the draft and there will
34:06
Speaker 7: be one hundred percent they believe. Sure well they take
34:10
Speaker 7: them and out and has the reasons why. So it's
34:12
Speaker 7: alarming though, because so Lesia truly sick to the ultimate
34:17
Speaker 7: that you've got to try to play in that game.
34:19
Speaker 7: And ironically his teammates won the game. Kansas won in
34:22
Speaker 7: a relatious game against two heavyweight teams. Both those guys
34:26
Speaker 7: could be national champions and that shows you how strong
34:29
Speaker 7: the Big twelve is in Utah's playing tonight against the
34:32
Speaker 7: University University of Houston and the Cougars that have a
34:35
Speaker 7: tough game at excim Me at Bello tonight.
34:42
Speaker 2: One more thing on this when when we talk about
34:45
Speaker 2: somebody like if you see a little bit of load
34:47
Speaker 2: management starting to develop in their college career, how's that
34:52
Speaker 2: NBA team going to respond to that or handle that?
34:54
Speaker 2: Because you know, like hyper talented players at the NBA level,
35:00
Speaker 2: that load management is a reality, and we're seeing some
35:03
Speaker 2: of the best talent wise that have not really lived
35:06
Speaker 2: up to expectations. You got, you know, street clothes, you
35:10
Speaker 2: got the unibrow, you got Kawhi Leonard, who seems like
35:13
Speaker 2: he's playing fifty percent.
35:15
Speaker 3: Of the time.
35:16
Speaker 2: But you know, the NBA has they've helped create this system,
35:19
Speaker 2: and they're also kind of the victims of this system.
35:22
Speaker 2: So if you're seeing it from a college player, are
35:25
Speaker 2: you like, yeah, well, you know what, he's already ready
35:27
Speaker 2: for the NBA because he's already doing this.
35:29
Speaker 3: Are you like, man, I can't. I don't want that guy.
35:33
Speaker 7: It's concerning no doubt. So again it's based on personality,
35:36
Speaker 7: who the agent is, and just a general feeling about
35:39
Speaker 7: the guy. Will he play through some sort of injury.
35:42
Speaker 7: I don't mean when you actually have a twenty ACL
35:45
Speaker 7: am I talking that or ripped achilles? I'm not saying that.
35:49
Speaker 7: I'm saying is that when but at a perod of time,
35:53
Speaker 7: once you had the rehab, can you play in a game?
35:55
Speaker 7: They help your teammates perform in that contest, but also
36:00
Speaker 7: try to be the best you can possibly be to
36:03
Speaker 7: show that you're part of the group right now. And
36:05
Speaker 7: by the way, and the NBA has shown so much
36:08
Speaker 7: of the economics of it also is that you're paying
36:11
Speaker 7: a guy, will say, sixty million dollars a year, which
36:14
Speaker 7: is a whole bunch of money and he POSSI could play,
36:18
Speaker 7: but he's holding out because he wants to be sure
36:21
Speaker 7: mentally that he could play. And in playoffs, in playoffs
36:25
Speaker 7: NBA playoffs, it's the whole different thing where guys try
36:28
Speaker 7: to play as much as they can because it affects
36:30
Speaker 7: the group dynamics.
36:32
Speaker 2: We are one year removed from the Luca trade, with
36:37
Speaker 2: the benefit of a little bit of hindsight, at least
36:40
Speaker 2: a year's worth of hindsight. Has it worked out the
36:42
Speaker 2: way that you thought it would for both teams?
36:46
Speaker 6: Well, for the.
36:47
Speaker 7: Lakers point of view, worked out spectacularly, answers, Yes, because
36:51
Speaker 7: Luke is now taking the mental place away from Lebron,
36:55
Speaker 7: and rightfully so. Lebron's forty one years young and he
36:59
Speaker 7: deserves to the mental health break during games. So for
37:02
Speaker 7: the Lakers point of view, they're at the fourth seed
37:04
Speaker 7: right now, thirty two and nineteen and showing he realized
37:07
Speaker 7: that a trio of Luca Dantage, Lebron Chains and Austin
37:11
Speaker 7: Reeves they've only played a total of ten games this
37:14
Speaker 7: year together. So with the Lakers being thirty two and nineteen,
37:18
Speaker 7: with those three main guys not very little on the
37:21
Speaker 7: court together when they are they could be a tough
37:24
Speaker 7: out in the playoffs. From the Dallas point of view,
37:26
Speaker 7: they're starting over. They've made all these different trades and
37:31
Speaker 7: now they moved on Anthony Davis, which they're static about.
37:33
Speaker 7: So think about Anthony Davis. He's a big part of
37:36
Speaker 7: the trade a year ago to go to Dallas Mavericks
37:38
Speaker 7: to give them an inside force. And then a year
37:41
Speaker 7: later they move into the Washington Wizards where he doesn't
37:44
Speaker 7: want to be there and he as is an injury.
37:48
Speaker 7: They're holding him out or the agents holding him out,
37:51
Speaker 7: meaning Rich Paul and the Dallas Mavericks are heading to
37:54
Speaker 7: deepen the deep in a lot ofies right now. And
37:57
Speaker 7: the Mavericks as you speak, as you speak ten and
38:00
Speaker 7: thirty three, that's the good part. They're writing right now,
38:03
Speaker 7: seven game losing streak. So the future is Cooper Flagg
38:06
Speaker 7: and everyone else with the draft.
38:10
Speaker 2: The future for the Utah Jazz post trade, I think
38:14
Speaker 2: as people feeling encouraged, and you and I have talked
38:17
Speaker 2: about this a lot, how does it change you know,
38:19
Speaker 2: your philosophy.
38:20
Speaker 3: I think we.
38:21
Speaker 2: Saw we saw some evidence of what the plan will
38:24
Speaker 2: be moving forward. As you know, late third quarter, early
38:27
Speaker 2: fourth quarter, you see some starters pulled, but it doesn't
38:30
Speaker 2: always work, Gordy. Sometimes the backup still win your games.
38:35
Speaker 7: Yes, and I was a hard charging team effort last night.
38:39
Speaker 7: That was great, So Kyle Philopowski. That guy was all
38:44
Speaker 7: over the court in that second part of that game,
38:46
Speaker 7: sixteen points, eleven rebounds. It's when he got him hustle,
38:49
Speaker 7: plays bright center, barts feels. His fourteenth points also when
38:53
Speaker 7: he got them, including that killer pull up jump shot
38:56
Speaker 7: Ace Belly was tremendous. You could see the town level
39:00
Speaker 7: and how much more confidence he has. He was the
39:03
Speaker 7: first option in that fourth quarter during the game, he
39:05
Speaker 7: responded sixteen points, eight rebounds, and it's when he got
39:09
Speaker 7: those points, especially when he that emotional baseline driving when
39:13
Speaker 7: he took the guy to the basket and dumped in
39:15
Speaker 7: the guy's knocking. And so that was a spectacular victory
39:18
Speaker 7: for the Jazz, and it shows you that the Jazz
39:21
Speaker 7: do have talent. And let's add. Let's add to the
39:25
Speaker 7: group right now, Jaron Jackson Junior's average twenty two points
39:28
Speaker 7: a game and the two games he played, and last
39:31
Speaker 7: night he showed Vince Williams, who's really a tremendous defensive player.
39:36
Speaker 7: Him getting seven to six and fifteen minutes, so he
39:40
Speaker 7: knows how to play with the ball without the ball.
39:42
Speaker 7: And then John Conchak, who's a really good stan still
39:46
Speaker 7: face up three point shooter. So the Jazz won that trade.
39:49
Speaker 7: And this is what the Jazz could be. We left
39:51
Speaker 7: out purposely. Chiante George's out with an injury as far
39:54
Speaker 7: as legitimate. I might add with a spring bankle probably
39:57
Speaker 7: hold him out until after All Star break. Yet, so
40:01
Speaker 7: the future is bright. So the question is did a
40:04
Speaker 7: backups keep playing in the fourth quarter of instincts? Tell
40:07
Speaker 7: me yes.
40:11
Speaker 2: Gordy Chase is my guest here on the Sean O'Connell
40:13
Speaker 2: shotalk in all Things NBA. The if you're playing your
40:19
Speaker 2: backups in the fourth quarter, right, there's the obvious optics
40:24
Speaker 2: of that. But what we saw last night was, you
40:27
Speaker 2: know what you're just talking about, that a backup unit,
40:30
Speaker 2: young players kind of finding their role, getting more minutes developing,
40:35
Speaker 2: and it isn't super clear how many of the guys
40:39
Speaker 2: that helped engineer that win last night are actually going
40:42
Speaker 2: to be part of the team's plans moving forward. As
40:45
Speaker 2: this rebuild speeds up, and you know, you start to
40:48
Speaker 2: really chase the playoffs. But could we see one of
40:51
Speaker 2: these guys, these backups that are you know, going to
40:54
Speaker 2: be getting more minutes now is will Hardy rest guys
40:57
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter. Could we see one of those
41:00
Speaker 2: or a couple of those guys become bigger part of
41:02
Speaker 2: the Jazz plans.
41:04
Speaker 7: Yes, very much, and that would be Isaiah Callier, who's
41:07
Speaker 7: very good. That guy. If he played thirty eight minutes
41:10
Speaker 7: in the game, we'll get a double double meaning assist
41:14
Speaker 7: in points. And he's vastly underrated. And that was a
41:18
Speaker 7: jackpot when the Jazz drafted him back in two thousand
41:22
Speaker 7: and twenty four at the twenty ninth pick of the draft,
41:26
Speaker 7: so he was the one pickaway from this number thirty
41:30
Speaker 7: and now was fast forwarded a year and a half later.
41:33
Speaker 7: He can play well in the NBA. Most of these
41:36
Speaker 7: guys can play in the NBA. The question is can
41:38
Speaker 7: he play well, and he can so going forward, he
41:42
Speaker 7: should be, if not the starting point guard, the backup
41:45
Speaker 7: point guard. If you play, If you play County George
41:48
Speaker 7: off the ball as a two guard, which could happen
41:51
Speaker 7: also because County, I'll call him he's a guard, which
41:53
Speaker 7: is fine. He can score the ball. He can pass
41:57
Speaker 7: the ball. Callie is more of a mentality of a
42:02
Speaker 7: point guard because everybody involved, you need both on the team.
42:05
Speaker 7: So Kylie's going to be the guy also right sense
42:08
Speaker 7: able off the bench. His contract is team friendly. He's
42:12
Speaker 7: got a winning game, he's fearless and in a positive way,
42:15
Speaker 7: and he can make shots. So he also, I believe,
42:18
Speaker 7: will be part of the future.
42:21
Speaker 2: What are you hearing about Jared Jackson Junior's integration into
42:26
Speaker 2: the team. We're seeing on the floor that he appears
42:28
Speaker 2: not to be skipping a beat, but you know the
42:30
Speaker 2: behind the scenes locker room type stuff. Is he happy
42:33
Speaker 2: to be in Salt Lake City? What are you hearing?
42:36
Speaker 7: I'm sure he's a static to be in Salt Lake
42:37
Speaker 7: City because Memphis was a good fifth of him. But
42:41
Speaker 7: the last three years with John Moran, saga and just
42:44
Speaker 7: things going differently all the time. They fight Tyler Jenkins,
42:49
Speaker 7: who's two of the tremendous coach We know behind the
42:52
Speaker 7: scenes there's different things going on with the ownership and
42:54
Speaker 7: the coaching staff, and he's a static to be with Utah,
42:58
Speaker 7: which is a more state situation, and he's valued. He's
43:02
Speaker 7: what the Jazz needs. The Jazz need another scorer. But
43:06
Speaker 7: what he does though, he's a tremendous shop blocker. He
43:10
Speaker 7: knows how to play the game with the ball without
43:12
Speaker 7: the ball, and it's the right fit. He's alcohol, He's
43:16
Speaker 7: a stretch big. He can play both power forward and
43:20
Speaker 7: also he could play center, so they get a versatility
43:23
Speaker 7: in him. And now he's in the prime of his
43:26
Speaker 7: career and he's going to deliver for the Jazz and
43:29
Speaker 7: I'm glad they had him. It was a perfect guy.
43:31
Speaker 7: Jas made a great trade last Tuesday. The three guys
43:34
Speaker 7: they got or have value and the Jazz I would
43:38
Speaker 7: rate them as far as that trade, they give him A.
43:41
Speaker 7: As far as the report card, they get a A. Remember, Sewan,
43:46
Speaker 7: you and I in our report called we never got
43:47
Speaker 7: an A in all life. You know what I mean.
43:49
Speaker 7: Mighty's gym class. In case you're wondering, especially me, Sean.
43:55
Speaker 3: Gordy, what's your what's your list today?
43:58
Speaker 7: But list today Sean talking about Darren Peterson in the draft, etc.
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Speaker 7: This is my list in the current tense of the
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Speaker 7: NBA twenty five twenty six all undrafted team. I picked
44:12
Speaker 7: out fifteen guys that would never drafted show, which means
44:17
Speaker 7: June twenty something each year of the NBA Draft. These
44:22
Speaker 7: guys were invited to the party. They weren't eight listers,
44:25
Speaker 7: but these guys all complain to the NBA and some of
44:28
Speaker 7: them are borderline someday all stars. Here we go. Number
44:33
Speaker 7: fifteen Jock I lent out from the Atlanta Hawks. He
44:36
Speaker 7: was a guy with against the Jets the other day.
44:38
Speaker 7: Had a double double his first game with the Hawks.
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Speaker 7: Number fourteen Duncan Robinson from the Pistons. Number eleven Keon
44:47
Speaker 7: Ellis defensive player that played for the Kings, now plays
44:50
Speaker 7: with the Cavaliers. Number thirteen. Julius Champenny from the Spurs.
44:56
Speaker 7: Number eleven knockdown shooter from the Celtics. Sam Howe number
45:01
Speaker 7: ten just got traded from the Pelicans. He's grateful to
45:04
Speaker 7: his hometown New York Knicks. Jose Alvarado number nine, Durians
45:10
Speaker 7: Finney Smith of the Rockets. Number eight. We all know
45:13
Speaker 7: this guy's name. He impacts every game he plays in defensively.
45:17
Speaker 7: Alice Crusoe of the Thunder. Number seven, his sidekick on
45:21
Speaker 7: the court. Starts for the Thunder. He's a Canadian. Also
45:24
Speaker 7: Loudot undrafted. Number six. We all know this guy Also
45:29
Speaker 7: he's a tremendous off the bench energy spark plug for
45:33
Speaker 7: the Indiana Pacers.
45:35
Speaker 8: T J.
45:36
Speaker 7: McConnell all right number five. This season, Jay Hoff from
45:41
Speaker 7: the Pacers. He's sifted in the NBA in block shots
45:45
Speaker 7: at one point nine blocks per game. He was never
45:48
Speaker 7: drefted from Yuse of Virginia. He's been packedful with the
45:51
Speaker 7: Pacers and when to get Haliburton back next season and
45:54
Speaker 7: they draft high in the lottery. The paces right back
45:57
Speaker 7: as far as contending for the championship. Number four and
46:02
Speaker 7: twenty twenty fourth seawn. He was voted at the sixth
46:04
Speaker 7: minute of the year after not being drafted to not
46:07
Speaker 7: being drafted from the Timberwolves. Nazrie number three. He plays
46:12
Speaker 7: for the Mavericks. He's tremendous as far as emerging player.
46:16
Speaker 7: He's defensive minded. He's a Cooper flag sidekick. Nazi Marshall
46:21
Speaker 7: number two. This guy played in the G League for
46:24
Speaker 7: the last two years. He got called up by the
46:27
Speaker 7: Phoenix Suns. Now the Suns can't play without him in
46:30
Speaker 7: the game. He gives them stability. He allows Deven Brooker
46:33
Speaker 7: to play off the ball, and the Sons now were
46:36
Speaker 7: thirty one and twenty two because of the new coach,
46:40
Speaker 7: but also because of this guy. His name is Colin Gillespie.
46:44
Speaker 7: He's averaging thirteen point sixty points the game, four point
46:47
Speaker 7: seven assists, forty two point six on threes, and he
46:50
Speaker 7: played in the G League to about half a year ago.
46:54
Speaker 7: And the number one player this year. There's my all
46:57
Speaker 7: undrafted team is Austin Reeves, undrafted out of college with State.
47:03
Speaker 7: He plays for the Lakers. He's averaging twenty five points,
47:06
Speaker 7: seven points per game, six assist, fifty point eight field
47:10
Speaker 7: of percentage from the field. That's my fifteen top players
47:15
Speaker 7: this year undrafted. Quickly, what about jazz veasketball? The number
47:20
Speaker 7: one player and jazz history those undrafted is Joe Ingles,
47:27
Speaker 7: the number one leader in the jazz history with one
47:30
Speaker 7: thousand and seventy one Korean mad threes. That's my list
47:33
Speaker 7: of today.
47:34
Speaker 3: Sean Gorny, do you have any Olympic updates?
47:40
Speaker 7: Ooh, well, why? I know one thing. I love ice dancing.
47:44
Speaker 7: I know that I know that I love ice dancing.
47:47
Speaker 7: So I watch you with my wife and I and
47:50
Speaker 7: I'm a sap that herd. I get emotional when he's skaters.
47:53
Speaker 7: I pray the look that don't fall down and hurt themselves.
47:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, the ice dancing so far has been good.
48:01
Speaker 2: We're just we're just getting into all of our our
48:04
Speaker 2: Olympics coverage here on the Sean O'Connell show.
48:07
Speaker 6: So it's would you like?
48:08
Speaker 7: What do you guys like?
48:09
Speaker 3: Well, James is our curling expert.
48:12
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of the downhill events, like watching
48:16
Speaker 2: those downhill skiing. The dog that got loose on the
48:19
Speaker 2: track yesterday, I don't know if you saw that.
48:22
Speaker 7: I did.
48:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love all of it.
48:24
Speaker 2: The the Olympic downhill skiing is absolutely insane. And the
48:29
Speaker 2: new camera work that they do with the drone. The
48:32
Speaker 2: drone camera, Gordy I think gives gives it much better
48:35
Speaker 2: sense than we ever had before of just how extreme
48:38
Speaker 2: those courses are.
48:40
Speaker 7: Yeah, and then also the Bops that would be the
48:41
Speaker 7: Bop SLIG competition, and we know that it's incredible intense
48:47
Speaker 7: and every second does matter, every little angle, every little
48:51
Speaker 7: movement by a teammate affects the speed up, the speed
48:54
Speaker 7: up the vehicle and it's spectacular.
48:56
Speaker 6: I love it all right.
48:58
Speaker 2: Gordy will become our official olymp Big Ice Dancing corresponding
49:01
Speaker 2: for these twenty twenty six games in mid.
49:04
Speaker 7: Okay, I'll study it. Okay, all right, I like that, Gordy.
49:08
Speaker 3: I always appreciate your time and your contributions to the show.
49:11
Speaker 7: Sir, thank you, thanks to Sean. Peace out, stay.
49:14
Speaker 2: Well, Gordy Chieza, our resident NBA guru here on the
49:19
Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell show. All right, it is a year since
49:24
Speaker 2: the Luca trade. How are things going for the Lakers?
49:29
Speaker 3: Great?
49:29
Speaker 2: As Gordy said, it's worked out spectacularly for them. Has
49:34
Speaker 2: it worked out badly enough for the Mavericks that they
49:38
Speaker 2: need a change in ownership. We'll talk about that next
49:41
Speaker 2: on the Sean O'Connell show. It's ESPN seven ninety.
49:50
Speaker 1: You tune to the Sean O'Connell show for the Murdoch
49:53
Speaker 1: Chevrolet Studio of ESPN seven hundred.
50:06
Speaker 2: Breaking news, and it's not from the early two thousands.
50:09
Speaker 2: You have not jumped into a time machine. How about
50:13
Speaker 2: this headline, Dallas Investor Group reported the Eyes Mark Cuban
50:17
Speaker 2: partnership to buy the Dallas Mavericks.
50:21
Speaker 3: Wait what and I'm sorry what for.
50:24
Speaker 5: Those who may be who may be out of the loop,
50:27
Speaker 5: because listen, think things like this. You could you could
50:30
Speaker 5: have missed. No matter how big NBA fan you are.
50:33
Speaker 5: Mark Cuban has not been the majority owner of the
50:36
Speaker 5: Mavericks since twenty twenty three. He sold twenty four to
50:40
Speaker 5: Patrick Dumont, So it was not Cuban that signed off
50:45
Speaker 5: ultimately signed off on the Luca trade last year was
50:47
Speaker 5: Patrick Dumont.
50:48
Speaker 3: So now he's trying to get back in.
50:50
Speaker 2: He sold his majority stake in the team at the
50:53
Speaker 2: end of twenty twenty three. Wait three, okay, for three
50:56
Speaker 2: and a half billion dollars, but he kept a twenty
50:58
Speaker 2: seven percent share and he stepped away from day to
51:02
Speaker 2: day operations, which, by the way, is the coolest. Like,
51:10
Speaker 2: imagine this, I have this really cool thing. I'm gonna
51:14
Speaker 2: sell most of it. I get to keep twenty seven
51:17
Speaker 2: percent of it, and I'm gonna get three and a
51:19
Speaker 2: half billion dollars out of selling.
51:23
Speaker 3: The rest. Wait, so you're.
51:26
Speaker 2: Selling this thing, you get three and a half billion dollars,
51:27
Speaker 2: but you still get to keep one quarter of it.
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Speaker 4: Yes.
51:31
Speaker 2: Wait, Also, they must be like relying on you for
51:33
Speaker 2: your expertise and you got to help make decisions. You
51:36
Speaker 2: gotta be stressed out by the operations. No, no, no, I
51:41
Speaker 2: don't have to do any of that, but it's.
51:43
Speaker 5: Actually kind of not allowed to do much, if any
51:47
Speaker 5: of that as a minority owner. So yeah, it's it's
51:50
Speaker 5: it's an incredible arrangement.
51:52
Speaker 2: Now the backfire is you sell the majority stake in
51:58
Speaker 2: a team and they make a move that you never
52:00
Speaker 2: in a million years would have made, and then you're
52:03
Speaker 2: just like, well, wait a second, these morons that I
52:06
Speaker 2: sold it to.
52:07
Speaker 3: Just traded away our franchise player.
52:10
Speaker 5: And like I just alluded to as I was clarifying
52:13
Speaker 5: what's going on for anyone who missed it a couple
52:15
Speaker 5: of years ago, he's still getting he's still getting some
52:19
Speaker 5: of that backlash because there's enough people that don't have
52:23
Speaker 5: paid close enough attention to an ownership change like that
52:26
Speaker 5: that probably were that probably realized I didn't realize that
52:30
Speaker 5: it wasn't Mark Cuban that signed off on the deal, right,
52:32
Speaker 5: So he's having to take some responsibility even though he
52:36
Speaker 5: wasn't part of it at all.
52:37
Speaker 2: Now, apparently there's a certain amount of groundswell of support
52:42
Speaker 2: to see if Cuban could be part of this investor
52:46
Speaker 2: group that will buy back a majority stake and I
52:49
Speaker 2: guess restore his.
52:53
Speaker 3: Decision making abilities in the case.
52:56
Speaker 2: Now, that's when the new the business deal becomes I
52:59
Speaker 2: think less of a win because, as you have seen
53:04
Speaker 2: if you've been paying attention to pro sports lately, prices
53:08
Speaker 2: are drastically inflated now on professional franchises. So if he
53:13
Speaker 2: sold his majority sake for three and a half billion,
53:16
Speaker 2: he's probably gonna have to buy it back for like
53:17
Speaker 2: seven which is I'm not great at math, but that's
53:23
Speaker 2: not a win for Mark Cuban in that case, that's
53:26
Speaker 2: at least double at least not in the at least
53:28
Speaker 2: not in the short term.
53:29
Speaker 3: That's not a win.
53:30
Speaker 5: The other thing to consider here is you just have
53:33
Speaker 5: to be fifty at least well like fifty point one percent, right, right,
53:38
Speaker 5: you don't have to be I don't know what his
53:40
Speaker 5: shares were when he sold off, but he probably was
53:45
Speaker 5: more than just over fifty percent. He probably owned more
53:49
Speaker 5: just more than fifty percent of the team, right, probably
53:54
Speaker 5: I would guess quotes for the seventy percent or higher
53:57
Speaker 5: what he's what he actually sold off In this case,
53:59
Speaker 5: He's like, I don't I don't have to buy back
54:01
Speaker 5: my I don't have to buy back that much of it.
54:04
Speaker 5: I just got to get twenty three and a half
54:06
Speaker 5: percent back, which is gonna be more than it was
54:09
Speaker 5: a couple of years ago when he sold it to.
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Speaker 3: Your point, oh c.
54:12
Speaker 9: But not, he's not gonna have to spend as much
54:19
Speaker 9: money as he as if he was determined to get
54:22
Speaker 9: seventy something or whatever it was that he sold off.
54:25
Speaker 2: According to the Internet, according to a quick Google search
54:31
Speaker 2: a rudimentary cursory immediate satisfaction Google search, he owned eighty
54:37
Speaker 2: five percent of the team before that.
54:40
Speaker 5: Yeah, that that makes a lot of sense. These guys
54:43
Speaker 5: that these longtime owners up until recently, that was kind
54:48
Speaker 5: of the norm. I believe the Millers owned like ninety
54:51
Speaker 5: percent of the Jazz for the longest time, and then
54:53
Speaker 5: they sold about that much to Ryan Smith.
54:57
Speaker 3: Mark Cuban.
55:00
Speaker 2: For two hundred and eighty five million in the year
55:02
Speaker 2: two thousand, bought the majority stake in the Dallas Mavericks,
55:07
Speaker 2: so two eighty five to three point five billion, while
55:12
Speaker 2: retaining a much larger chunk than whoever he bought it
55:18
Speaker 2: from retained. I assume that you know, he had eighty
55:23
Speaker 2: five percent previous owner kept fifteen, he sold it for
55:28
Speaker 2: three point five billion, kept twenty seven. Maybe now if
55:32
Speaker 2: Dumont says he doesn't want to sell it. By the way,
55:34
Speaker 2: if Dumont sells it, he'll be like, all right, I'm
55:36
Speaker 2: keeping thirty five percent or whatever.
55:39
Speaker 3: And then I'll buy back sixteen in two years. How
55:42
Speaker 3: about that?
55:43
Speaker 2: I need to borrow one dollar from three or four
55:46
Speaker 2: billion people so I can buy myself a professional sports franchise.
55:51
Speaker 3: That's a great way to put it. That's attainable.
55:54
Speaker 8: Just call.
55:56
Speaker 5: Just call thirty billionaires in three hundred billionaires and borrow
56:02
Speaker 5: a dollar from each one. All right, let's uh, let's
56:06
Speaker 5: take a quick one here. We're gonna come back with
56:08
Speaker 5: Jerem Jordan for a little bit of red and blue.
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Speaker 5: Are we Are we worried in provo yet? Are they
56:14
Speaker 5: worried in provo yet?
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Speaker 2: Also a little trash talk suddenly from Scott Drew, the
56:20
Speaker 2: Baylor coach on a current BYU player, but you could
56:24
Speaker 2: guess which one. We'll get to all of that with
56:26
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57:43
Speaker 3: How are you?
57:44
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take my medicine listening to a Seahawks fane.
57:49
Speaker 8: Oh I didn't even sweat, dude. That was so easy
57:54
Speaker 8: and on the Niners field.
57:55
Speaker 6: That was like the best thing ever.
57:56
Speaker 3: What a lame game that was just boring.
58:00
Speaker 6: It's gonna go down elite.
58:01
Speaker 8: I saw elite defense for the entertainment crowd. I get it,
58:06
Speaker 8: I get it. But yeah, it was domination. Man, it
58:09
Speaker 8: was awesome.
58:10
Speaker 2: I think we're just gonna forget this super Bowl. Ever
58:12
Speaker 2: happened is what's gonna happen. That's how it's gonna play out.
58:15
Speaker 8: Don't ignore it when it's not convenient, you.
58:17
Speaker 3: Know, doctor you and all the other Seahawks fans. I mean,
58:22
Speaker 3: it was. It was a complete performance.
58:25
Speaker 2: It was a great game from Seattle's defense, especially, Uh
58:29
Speaker 2: did you think Kenneth Walker was going to be the
58:31
Speaker 2: Super Bowl MVP?
58:33
Speaker 8: I did, But I thought it would have been interesting
58:35
Speaker 8: if they had given it to Jason Myers as the kicker,
58:38
Speaker 8: Like that would have been gnarly Kenneth runner of the
58:41
Speaker 8: thirdest we call him in my house. He yeah, he
58:43
Speaker 8: deserved it for sure.
58:45
Speaker 6: Like and and that was awesome.
58:47
Speaker 8: His dad had never been to a game, you know,
58:49
Speaker 8: this whole season, and he was there and Zach sharpone
58:52
Speaker 8: had the backup.
58:53
Speaker 6: Had hurt his knee. He wasn't available so it was awesome.
58:55
Speaker 8: And like Sam Darnold completed the greatest kind of comeback
58:59
Speaker 8: story for a quarter back ever.
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Speaker 6: That was awesome.
59:01
Speaker 8: It gives you a hope that you know, they for
59:04
Speaker 8: I don't know, people in your life kind of thing.
59:06
Speaker 6: But also like.
59:07
Speaker 8: I'm like, hey, the equivalent of this for BYU. You know,
59:10
Speaker 8: just thinking about it in a BOU perspective was like
59:12
Speaker 8: if Zach Wilson won the Super Bowl in like six
59:14
Speaker 8: years or something after a couple of different teams, It's like, oh,
59:17
Speaker 8: there is hope that if you take care of the
59:19
Speaker 8: football and you have a good defense and run game,
59:21
Speaker 8: like you can do it. And you know, I was
59:24
Speaker 8: thinking about, Okay, what does this mean for BA? The
59:26
Speaker 8: BA model of operation last year was great defense, great
59:31
Speaker 8: run game that won a lot, take care of the football,
59:33
Speaker 8: and that's how Seattle did it, and that's how BUYU
59:35
Speaker 8: went twelve and two and so winning formula it really
59:38
Speaker 8: does win a lot of games. It's rarely the spread
59:40
Speaker 8: tempo team that wins championships.
59:43
Speaker 2: It's really interesting because you know, that was one of
59:45
Speaker 2: the things I noticed about the game, right It was
59:47
Speaker 2: like that was if you taugh football, we're going to
59:51
Speaker 2: win a super Bowl. That's how you tugh football would
59:53
Speaker 2: win a Super Bowl. And there's so many people that
59:55
Speaker 2: are like, yes, oh, that's such a boring We don't
59:58
Speaker 2: like that. You know, if you want to, you know,
1:00:01
Speaker 2: bringing in the top recruits, now, you got to spread
1:00:03
Speaker 2: it out a little bit more, which is probably true.
1:00:06
Speaker 2: But oftentimes the best teams in college football in the NFL,
1:00:11
Speaker 2: certainly this year was a great example of it. It's
1:00:13
Speaker 2: just like, you don't need some megastar quarterback who's making
1:00:16
Speaker 2: all these crazy plays. You need a bunch of really
1:00:19
Speaker 2: good guys who fundamentally play very very well.
1:00:22
Speaker 3: And you got to be physical upfront.
1:00:24
Speaker 2: And that's what Seattle was, and that's what Indiana was,
1:00:27
Speaker 2: and that's what Texas Tech and by You were in
1:00:30
Speaker 2: the Big Twelve Conference.
1:00:33
Speaker 8: It doesn't mean you don't have playmakers, you know what
1:00:35
Speaker 8: I mean? Like jsn was the offensive player of the
1:00:39
Speaker 8: Year in the NFL and Kenneth Flark the Iird was
1:00:41
Speaker 8: one of the best running backs in the league.
1:00:43
Speaker 6: And a good old line and yeah.
1:00:45
Speaker 8: But like you have to go inside out, like the
1:00:48
Speaker 8: Patriots got destroyed on the O line and some of
1:00:51
Speaker 8: that was scheme, like Devin Witherspoon was in that backfield
1:00:53
Speaker 8: quite a bit. But yeah, when bad Bunny rushes for
1:00:56
Speaker 8: more yards at halftime than your team, Like, that's not good.
1:01:02
Speaker 2: The bad bunny. Uh what was it the advanced metrics
1:01:05
Speaker 2: that said he went like for like.
1:01:08
Speaker 3: Or something?
1:01:11
Speaker 2: Yes, so good. All right, let's get off of that
1:01:16
Speaker 2: lame game that again. People, the annals of NFL history
1:01:20
Speaker 2: will just forget ever happened.
1:01:22
Speaker 8: Hey, figure out your electrical station first before you no
1:01:26
Speaker 8: joy about.
1:01:26
Speaker 3: That, no joke.
1:01:28
Speaker 2: I want them to now just relocate everything, move the
1:01:32
Speaker 2: practice field, implode the stadium. The Seahawks, your division rivals,
1:01:37
Speaker 2: celebrated the super Bowl victory in your locker room. You
1:01:40
Speaker 2: can't wash that stank out. You just got to get
1:01:42
Speaker 2: rid of the place.
1:01:44
Speaker 8: Hey, that's hey, it is, it is what it is.
1:01:46
Speaker 8: It was funny having Fred Warner on the pregame show.
1:01:48
Speaker 8: I thought, or in halftime something. I thought Fred had
1:01:51
Speaker 8: a spectacular job.
1:01:52
Speaker 2: He wants how does that guy so good at currently
1:01:56
Speaker 2: being a great football player and also a hundred percent
1:02:00
Speaker 2: camber ready and could jump into you know, analysis if
1:02:05
Speaker 2: he wanted to, like tomorrow.
1:02:07
Speaker 8: First off, he's just he's a good looking dude.
1:02:09
Speaker 6: He's a good dude.
1:02:10
Speaker 8: His first interview, by the way, he came in and
1:02:13
Speaker 8: was a wide eyed freshman prior to fall camp on
1:02:15
Speaker 8: Boy Sports Nation, and we were excited about him because
1:02:17
Speaker 8: he was this four star that told us no and
1:02:20
Speaker 8: came to BYU and were like, this is great. He's
1:02:22
Speaker 8: got a younger brother. We want to give him a
1:02:24
Speaker 8: couple of years too. And so yeah, seeing him that
1:02:27
Speaker 8: first day versus like he's on the Super Bowl coverage
1:02:29
Speaker 8: and he's the best middle linebacker in the league and
1:02:32
Speaker 8: he's gonna be a Hall of Famer. He's probably the
1:02:34
Speaker 8: best defensive player you always ever had in the NFL.
1:02:37
Speaker 6: That is like, I'm just I'm happy for him.
1:02:40
Speaker 8: And he was funny because he's like, I hate to
1:02:41
Speaker 8: give the Seahawks a compliment, but and then he would
1:02:44
Speaker 8: talk about the dark side and what they were doing.
1:02:47
Speaker 6: So he did a great job. Shout out to Fred.
1:02:48
Speaker 6: He's awesome. Plus it was fun to see him in
1:02:50
Speaker 6: that commercial.
1:02:51
Speaker 8: With Pooka, Like two of our boys together in the
1:02:53
Speaker 8: NFL doing great work.
1:02:54
Speaker 3: I don't you just brought him up.
1:02:56
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna put it out there now, like Pookah,
1:03:00
Speaker 2: somebody he's got to talk with Pooka. Right now, Pooka's
1:03:03
Speaker 2: continuing to I know that he's young, and you can
1:03:05
Speaker 2: party and do dumb stuff when you're young, But it's
1:03:08
Speaker 2: like he lives in la and the tabloid media is
1:03:10
Speaker 2: now going to be following him around because he gives
1:03:12
Speaker 2: him a little bit of fodder.
1:03:14
Speaker 3: What can we do to help Pooka here?
1:03:16
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, maybe a little last kind of public
1:03:19
Speaker 8: appearance kind of stuff with might might be helpful. Love Pooka,
1:03:23
Speaker 8: love the family obviously, you know, you want to keep
1:03:26
Speaker 8: it within a certain parameters that are probably good for
1:03:29
Speaker 8: him and everyone around him.
1:03:31
Speaker 6: But love Pooka.
1:03:32
Speaker 3: Yeah, hopefully.
1:03:34
Speaker 2: Again, he's young, he's the best receiver in the league,
1:03:38
Speaker 2: at least in his age group. He can, he'll hopefully
1:03:41
Speaker 2: figure it out. But fewer cameras following you is better, Pooka,
1:03:45
Speaker 2: So try to achieve that.
1:03:47
Speaker 6: If you can't, all right, we're just lucky. We're lucky.
1:03:50
Speaker 8: There was no social media when Jim was a bau,
1:03:53
Speaker 8: you know, just like it's nowadays. It's hard to stay private, right, well, yeah,
1:04:00
Speaker 8: I mean honestly social When did social media like the
1:04:03
Speaker 8: ubiquitous everyone has a camera, phone and is paying attention
1:04:08
Speaker 8: to you.
1:04:08
Speaker 3: So that was like a twenty ten kind of thing, right,
1:04:11
Speaker 3: I mean.
1:04:12
Speaker 8: Yeah, like Twitter started, oh nine, yeah ten, Like when
1:04:16
Speaker 8: Jim or you know, course forty three in Santayo State
1:04:18
Speaker 8: and Kevin Durantz tweeting by Jammer, It's like, oh, we're
1:04:21
Speaker 8: all like commenting on what each other is doing and
1:04:24
Speaker 8: it's not on the MySpace page anymore. Like that's when
1:04:26
Speaker 8: it kind of went to the next level.
1:04:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, so some of the some of the great said,
1:04:30
Speaker 2: both schools that went through both schools never had to
1:04:33
Speaker 2: deal with any of that, most of the great.
1:04:36
Speaker 8: No, it's unique, and part of it is like part
1:04:40
Speaker 8: of the reason PUKA is gonna get maybe the richest
1:04:42
Speaker 8: contract of any receiverever is because of it. You just
1:04:45
Speaker 8: have to manage the good of that and the bad
1:04:48
Speaker 8: of that.
1:04:49
Speaker 2: All right, let's uh, let's talk some BYU hoop. All right,
1:04:53
Speaker 2: this is UH is an interesting team right now? Is
1:04:57
Speaker 2: give me the level of optimism, excitement, whatever. How is
1:05:01
Speaker 2: the fan base in the university atmosphere feeling about this
1:05:07
Speaker 2: BYU basketball experiment here in twenty twenty six.
1:05:11
Speaker 8: Yeah, certainly a little bit of cause for concern. First
1:05:14
Speaker 8: four game, losing streak in a while. By the way,
1:05:16
Speaker 8: BOI hasn't lost five games in a row. That's at
1:05:18
Speaker 8: stake tonight since two thousand and five. Dave Rose and
1:05:21
Speaker 8: Mark Pope never had a five game losing streak, which
1:05:23
Speaker 8: is crazy. Granted, this losing streak's different. Arizona, Kansas, and
1:05:28
Speaker 8: Houston are in it. Those are three of the probably
1:05:30
Speaker 8: top six teams in the country, so a little unfair
1:05:34
Speaker 8: that these three are stacked together in that way. Oklahoma
1:05:37
Speaker 8: State was disappointing. Boa is not supposed to lose that
1:05:40
Speaker 8: kind of game, But to the committee, it is a
1:05:42
Speaker 8: quad one loss. It's not actually gonna den them that bad.
1:05:45
Speaker 8: BOI does not have a quad two to three or
1:05:47
Speaker 8: four loss. They have quad one losses. They have four
1:05:51
Speaker 8: quad one wins, which is good. That's kind of top
1:05:53
Speaker 8: twenty in the country. But the rub is the expectation
1:05:57
Speaker 8: for this team was that it would be like a one,
1:05:59
Speaker 8: two or three seed right now. Now they're a six seed.
1:06:00
Speaker 8: With Lonardi, they're kind of a five seed. Generally speaking,
1:06:04
Speaker 8: I still think BOI can salvage a five seed here.
1:06:07
Speaker 8: If you are a six seed, it's not the worst
1:06:09
Speaker 8: thing in the world because an eighty one with Age
1:06:11
Speaker 8: and last year with BYU they were a six and
1:06:13
Speaker 8: that has led to two of the three Sweet sixteens
1:06:16
Speaker 8: for BOI. So it's not historically the worst thing ever,
1:06:18
Speaker 8: but it is a tough schedule. You got Baylor tonight,
1:06:21
Speaker 8: which is a quad one game. BOI just a slight
1:06:23
Speaker 8: favorite in that one. Colorado BOI should dominate on Saturday.
1:06:26
Speaker 8: Jimmerferdet getting new jersey retired. That'll be cool at Arizona
1:06:30
Speaker 8: home to Iowa.
1:06:31
Speaker 6: State next week is massive.
1:06:33
Speaker 8: Those are two top ten teams UCF, West Virginia Cincinnati.
1:06:36
Speaker 8: You're hoping he can get three wins there, although that's
1:06:39
Speaker 8: swing to West Virginia and Cincinnati's tricky. Texas Tech is
1:06:42
Speaker 8: your final home game, so you've got three of the
1:06:45
Speaker 8: top four in the final eight. It's not as tough
1:06:48
Speaker 8: as Arizona's schedule, which is crazy, go look at that one,
1:06:52
Speaker 8: but it is tough. I'm hoping Boa can go five and.
1:06:54
Speaker 6: Three in that. If they do, I believe they will
1:06:56
Speaker 6: get a five seed in the NCAA tournament. So all
1:06:58
Speaker 6: not lost.
1:07:00
Speaker 8: Not what the expectation was. I was hoping by would
1:07:03
Speaker 8: be great. Right now, they're good to very good.
1:07:07
Speaker 6: They have a chance to.
1:07:08
Speaker 8: Kind of put themselves in a good spot in the
1:07:09
Speaker 8: tourney with the four or five seed. They played a
1:07:11
Speaker 8: good non conference, but they've got to fix the defense.
1:07:15
Speaker 8: Richie Saunders and Canard Davis didn't make shots on Saturday.
1:07:18
Speaker 8: AJ has been awesome that Like, I don't know that
1:07:20
Speaker 8: we can ask AJ to do much more. Rober right
1:07:22
Speaker 8: the third tonight is getting his unwelcome back to Waco moment,
1:07:26
Speaker 8: So that'll be emotional on both ends probably, And so
1:07:29
Speaker 8: boy needs to win tonight. I don't think they can
1:07:31
Speaker 8: lose tonight and feel like, yeah, everything's still great, like
1:07:33
Speaker 8: it's gonna be okay.
1:07:34
Speaker 6: You need to win tonight.
1:07:35
Speaker 2: Did you see or hear Scott Drew's comments about the
1:07:38
Speaker 2: Rob Wright situation ahead of this game, Well, when he.
1:07:40
Speaker 8: Signs a contract, it would have been nice. Yeah, well
1:07:43
Speaker 8: yeah I did, And I get it. And he would
1:07:46
Speaker 8: have been the only returner by the way, like everybody left,
1:07:49
Speaker 8: and so I get that.
1:07:51
Speaker 6: I get why he's upset.
1:07:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Oklahoma State situation, obviously, you don't want to
1:07:59
Speaker 2: see your team lose a game on the road. Obviously
1:08:02
Speaker 2: more disappointing because of again the bleep the Mormons chant
1:08:07
Speaker 2: in the crowd, and I, as a non member of
1:08:12
Speaker 2: the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, I
1:08:14
Speaker 2: probably get bothered more by it than a lot of
1:08:16
Speaker 2: people who are church going members. It it rubs me
1:08:20
Speaker 2: the wrong way aggressively, jerem. And when I see a
1:08:24
Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars fine and kind of a delayed response
1:08:27
Speaker 2: from everyone involved, I again, I probably, like my wife
1:08:32
Speaker 2: is a member of the church, I get more mad
1:08:34
Speaker 2: about this than she does. Is the Big Twelve doing enough?
1:08:38
Speaker 2: Is Oklahoma State doing enough? Is anybody doing enough to
1:08:42
Speaker 2: stop this from being a narrative in the Big Twelve conference.
1:08:47
Speaker 8: I'm wondering if anything will actually change unless there's an
1:08:50
Speaker 8: in game, on court, on the field penalty of some kind, Because.
1:08:56
Speaker 6: Okay, it's fifty k.
1:08:58
Speaker 8: First off, who gets that money? I'm not saying by
1:09:00
Speaker 8: you should I'm saying, like, where does it go?
1:09:03
Speaker 9: What?
1:09:04
Speaker 8: And should that amount be higher? Like we just can't
1:09:07
Speaker 8: have that much hate for a religion. If they say
1:09:10
Speaker 8: f BYU, that's totally different. And honestly I wouldn't even
1:09:13
Speaker 8: bt deny it that.
1:09:14
Speaker 6: But when you bring religion into it, it's not okay.
1:09:17
Speaker 8: It's not okay, And Honestly, my replies are full of
1:09:19
Speaker 8: hate from a lot of people, which is not okay.
1:09:22
Speaker 8: I don't wake up seeking hate like I wake up
1:09:25
Speaker 8: seeking love. Like we should just compete and love one
1:09:28
Speaker 8: another and have fun because life's hard enough without that.
1:09:31
Speaker 6: We don't need to add that to it.
1:09:32
Speaker 8: So I'm wondering if one the number needs to be
1:09:35
Speaker 8: higher on the fine and then two in game, if
1:09:39
Speaker 8: you all of a sudden you hear it, do you
1:09:40
Speaker 8: do something?
1:09:40
Speaker 4: But it is a.
1:09:41
Speaker 8: Little tricky to sort of adjudicate in the moment. Was
1:09:44
Speaker 8: it fifteen students or was it two hundred fifty or
1:09:47
Speaker 8: was it two thousand, Like it's hard to know sometimes,
1:09:49
Speaker 8: But yeah, it this should not be tolerated, and I
1:09:53
Speaker 8: don't think it's going to stop unless there's something in
1:09:56
Speaker 8: game that occurs.
1:09:58
Speaker 2: I think you're probably right, and the BYU does not
1:10:02
Speaker 2: need me to be its champion and wouldn't choose me
1:10:04
Speaker 2: to be its champion.
1:10:05
Speaker 3: But the.
1:10:09
Speaker 2: But the idea that you know, it is somewhat shrugged
1:10:13
Speaker 2: at because it's the Mormon faith instead of I don't know,
1:10:17
Speaker 2: the Catholic faith or the Jewish faith or whatever. It's
1:10:20
Speaker 2: just so wild given the context of what BYU has
1:10:24
Speaker 2: attempted to do from whatever a pr standpoint, a service standpoint.
1:10:30
Speaker 2: In this football season, every single week we had stories
1:10:33
Speaker 2: a BYU and BYU fans and BYU community going above
1:10:39
Speaker 2: and beyond to support you know, a Texas Tech team,
1:10:41
Speaker 2: barber or a food bank at Iowa State or whatever
1:10:45
Speaker 2: it was. And yet this is still the response. I
1:10:49
Speaker 2: truly don't understand it. As someone who lived here for
1:10:53
Speaker 2: most of my life and again a non member, a
1:10:55
Speaker 2: lot of people in my position found reasons to feel
1:10:58
Speaker 2: some hate or to have some problems. I just don't
1:11:02
Speaker 2: get it, and I don't get why the Big twelve
1:11:04
Speaker 2: doesn't take it more seriously.
1:11:07
Speaker 8: And I don't equate sort of the entire fan base
1:11:10
Speaker 8: of that school when it happens, because there have been
1:11:12
Speaker 8: several over the last five ten years, right, and historically,
1:11:15
Speaker 8: I don't equate it to the whole fan base. I
1:11:17
Speaker 8: assume it's going to be you know, one hundred students
1:11:22
Speaker 8: hot in the moment on the road during the game.
1:11:25
Speaker 8: So but with that said, we do need to there
1:11:28
Speaker 8: needs to be a certain amount of intolerance when it
1:11:30
Speaker 8: comes to this kind of thing. Right, we can't tolerate
1:11:33
Speaker 8: everything that's crazy. We need there needs to be a
1:11:36
Speaker 8: certain amount of intolerance.
1:11:37
Speaker 6: I appreciate that.
1:11:38
Speaker 8: The Big twelve steps in and does it, but isn't enough.
1:11:41
Speaker 6: Probably not because it continues to happen. So what's what's
1:11:44
Speaker 6: the league going to do?
1:11:45
Speaker 8: And I know that league is very appreciative and supportive
1:11:49
Speaker 8: kind of what Buay does as a unique private Christian
1:11:52
Speaker 8: institution and so on and so forth. Hopefully we can
1:11:54
Speaker 8: figure something out and just compete and get on with
1:11:58
Speaker 8: our lives, because yeah, boy, fans don't want this, and
1:12:01
Speaker 8: I'm sure the administration with the league and then the
1:12:04
Speaker 8: schools don't want these kinds of things either. We want
1:12:07
Speaker 8: to compete and have fun. But at the end of
1:12:08
Speaker 8: the day, it's like, all right, we all go home
1:12:10
Speaker 8: and hopefully we're safe emotionally and physically here the I.
1:12:15
Speaker 2: Started the show today talking about a Big twelve basketball
1:12:18
Speaker 2: game last night where Darren Peterson didn't play, and I
1:12:22
Speaker 2: probably was being completely unfair to the kid because I'm like,
1:12:26
Speaker 2: you're the number one team in the country, is in
1:12:28
Speaker 2: your place, and you're out because you're sick. There are
1:12:31
Speaker 2: very few sickness symptoms that I find to be worthy
1:12:35
Speaker 2: of sitting out of a game like that. But you know,
1:12:38
Speaker 2: we put him in the same conversation that we put
1:12:41
Speaker 2: aj Debonce in, and you know Camboos are in and
1:12:43
Speaker 2: some of these other guys that are near the top
1:12:45
Speaker 2: of the projected draft, and I feel like unavailability, the
1:12:50
Speaker 2: fact that that guy's miss games, miss games against top
1:12:53
Speaker 2: five teams, should be counted against him one way or another,
1:12:57
Speaker 2: fairly or not. In this upcoming thing, A has been
1:13:00
Speaker 2: largely available. And I don't know what he's dealing with
1:13:03
Speaker 2: from a bumps and bruises or a sickness's standpoint or anything.
1:13:06
Speaker 2: But should Ah's availability, for lack of a better term,
1:13:12
Speaker 2: make him more appealing to NBA teams relative to the
1:13:15
Speaker 2: elite elite competition he faces in that NBA projection, I
1:13:19
Speaker 2: would think so.
1:13:20
Speaker 8: And I'm with you, like I did not understand why
1:13:23
Speaker 8: he didn't play.
1:13:24
Speaker 6: It's like you can't even try, Like it's that bad.
1:13:27
Speaker 8: You shouldn't be warming up then If you can't warm up,
1:13:30
Speaker 8: then you can't play. If you can warm up a
1:13:31
Speaker 8: little bit, you should at least try, dude, just emotionally.
1:13:34
Speaker 6: That would have given your team an injection of life.
1:13:37
Speaker 8: But they figured it out without him, and Frankly, they're
1:13:40
Speaker 8: used to this. They've played half the games without him.
1:13:43
Speaker 6: And Kansas showed up.
1:13:44
Speaker 4: Man.
1:13:44
Speaker 8: They were Melvin Council, Floride Badunga, those guys were on it.
1:13:48
Speaker 6: Man, it was crazy.
1:13:49
Speaker 8: I made sure that was destination viewing, Like I watched
1:13:52
Speaker 8: it with my family. I'm like, you guys, watch this game.
1:13:55
Speaker 8: This is a great college basketball game. Now the football's over,
1:13:57
Speaker 8: like college basketball sort of owns the next kind of
1:14:00
Speaker 8: eight weeks and then we get into the NBA playoffs
1:14:02
Speaker 8: and then we get into more baseball and then football
1:14:05
Speaker 8: comes back, like that's our flow. And it was a
1:14:07
Speaker 8: great game, and I think Kansas is super dangerous, Like
1:14:11
Speaker 8: if they can do that without Darren Peterson, it's wild.
1:14:15
Speaker 8: And alan Field House was electric. BOI walked into that
1:14:17
Speaker 8: and felt that too a couple of weeks ago, and
1:14:21
Speaker 8: Arizona was.
1:14:21
Speaker 6: Like, they're a great team.
1:14:23
Speaker 8: They needed a loss like that, Like they might not lose,
1:14:27
Speaker 8: they might lose one more than the regular season or whatever,
1:14:29
Speaker 8: but that's a good team. In March, they'll be battle tests.
1:14:31
Speaker 8: But I'm with you, Like back to your question. If
1:14:34
Speaker 8: I'm an NBA team, I'm the Wizards and I'm getting
1:14:37
Speaker 8: the number one pick. Do I want that guy? I
1:14:40
Speaker 8: would rather have a guy you know he's gonna play,
1:14:42
Speaker 8: unless you're gonna tank for a couple of years.
1:14:44
Speaker 6: But like, is this how he is? Always?
1:14:46
Speaker 8: Is that just this year because of actual injuries, but
1:14:48
Speaker 8: the sickness thing now adds to it. He just unfortunately
1:14:52
Speaker 8: looks kind of flaky and you know, hope that he
1:14:55
Speaker 8: can get healthy and stuff, because honestly, like he's he's
1:14:58
Speaker 8: the most polished offensive player in the country, but like
1:15:01
Speaker 8: AJ has a higher ceiling to me, And then Kamboozer
1:15:04
Speaker 8: is like going to be super rock solid. I think
1:15:06
Speaker 8: we see what he is and it's really good.
1:15:09
Speaker 6: It's a great draft.
1:15:10
Speaker 8: Kingston Flemings is right there as well. Like three of
1:15:12
Speaker 8: the top five picks are probably coming from the Big twelve,
1:15:14
Speaker 8: which is really fun. Yeah, I'm with you. I think
1:15:18
Speaker 8: he probably should be dented a little bit for not
1:15:21
Speaker 8: being as available as the other guys are.
1:15:25
Speaker 2: Which Winter Olympic sport do you make yourself into a
1:15:28
Speaker 2: two week expert on?
1:15:30
Speaker 3: Oh?
1:15:31
Speaker 8: Nice, I haven't watched as much as I thought. I
1:15:35
Speaker 8: do like hockey already, so I'll go outside of hockey,
1:15:39
Speaker 8: like curling. Probably like last night when it's like the
1:15:42
Speaker 8: last stone is thrown, you have to take down Italy
1:15:46
Speaker 8: like that was awesome, like clear, clear, clear, you know
1:15:49
Speaker 8: they're yelling now. I was like, oh, oh that was
1:15:52
Speaker 8: a great throw is a great I don't know, scrub
1:15:54
Speaker 8: or whatever it is, like, yeah, I love the memes
1:15:57
Speaker 8: that are like me at home on the cow eating
1:16:00
Speaker 8: a box of donuts, like seeing someone fail in a
1:16:03
Speaker 8: Winter Olympics for pathetic.
1:16:05
Speaker 2: Yeah that's right, yes, yes, it's the old dodgeball with
1:16:10
Speaker 2: Ben Steelers all fat or whatever.
1:16:13
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:16:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were going eighty one miles an hour down
1:16:18
Speaker 2: the ski hill and you fell loser.
1:16:21
Speaker 8: Yeah, oh my gosh. Well yeah with like Darren Peterson
1:16:24
Speaker 8: he didn't play six. Someone goes Lindsey vonn skid on
1:16:27
Speaker 8: a torn acl like like what are we talking about?
1:16:31
Speaker 8: Which is crazy, right, like that's steak.
1:16:34
Speaker 6: She broke her tibo.
1:16:34
Speaker 8: But I was like American Hero forever already was but
1:16:38
Speaker 8: good gosh.
1:16:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the statement that comes out just the by
1:16:42
Speaker 2: the way, it's a complex fracture that's going to require
1:16:45
Speaker 2: multiple surgeries. You're like, man, that is a rough thirteen
1:16:48
Speaker 2: seconds of skiing. That is really, oh my gosh, really
1:16:51
Speaker 2: bad deal.
1:16:53
Speaker 6: Like I after she.
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Speaker 8: Announced she was gonna scales, Like, sorry, what you're doing?
1:16:58
Speaker 6: What?
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Speaker 8: Tom Homo somehow didn't have an AC on one of
1:17:01
Speaker 8: his knees, by the way, and played his career in
1:17:04
Speaker 8: the NFL, is like how does that work?
1:17:05
Speaker 6: Like what?
1:17:07
Speaker 8: Yeah, I've never understood hold a white corner in the NFL,
1:17:11
Speaker 8: no ACL and he survived?
1:17:13
Speaker 6: Like how did that?
1:17:14
Speaker 3: You know?
1:17:14
Speaker 2: I needn't get a orthopedistant to talk about this because
1:17:17
Speaker 2: it's one of the most like casual toss aside type storylines.
1:17:22
Speaker 2: When you're just like, oh, yeah, so and so has
1:17:25
Speaker 2: been playing on a on a ruptured ACL for two
1:17:28
Speaker 2: years now. You're like, wait, no, I thought that wasn't
1:17:31
Speaker 2: physically possible. Everyone else immediately has them surgically repaired. And
1:17:36
Speaker 2: then you hear about these guys like oh yeah, I
1:17:38
Speaker 2: played my senior year of high school, I had no ACL.
1:17:40
Speaker 2: You like, then, how did you run? I thought that
1:17:42
Speaker 2: was I thought, that's like not having a foot.
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Speaker 8: That's why I love sports, Like just the humanity of
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Speaker 8: random dude that works at home depot. It's a gold
1:17:56
Speaker 8: medalist in TVD Sport like It's awesome, man.
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Speaker 2: entire thing got tipped on its head when Kyle Whittingham
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Speaker 2: decided he was going to go to Michigan.
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Speaker 3: Who Yeah, I know, I know.
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Speaker 5: We're done. We're done with the not saying his name.
1:21:13
Speaker 5: It's just hard to keep track of it. I mean,
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Speaker 5: if we were to end the bit, it's been we've
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Speaker 5: been doing it for like a month, more than a
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Speaker 5: month now.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think, I think because we were talking
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Speaker 2: too much about him.
1:21:25
Speaker 3: Now we're just gonna casually mention him every once. Okay,
1:21:27
Speaker 3: that's fine, all right, So.
1:21:31
Speaker 2: Mentions, honorable mentions or dishonorable mentions whatever. Notable joining new
1:21:37
Speaker 2: coaches that's offensive coordinators at Utah, Kansas State, and Iowa State,
1:21:41
Speaker 2: and of course Kevin McGivern gets mentioned here. Mcgiven, who
1:21:47
Speaker 2: has extensive experience within the state, including two stints at
1:21:50
Speaker 2: as Utah States offensive coordinator, is obviously the guy. Uh
1:21:54
Speaker 2: So no mention of his time at Weaver State, which
1:21:57
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to air that grievance with Adam rat
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Speaker 2: Get Adam on the phone right now. Adam, Come on, Adam,
1:22:03
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Speaker 2: State in Bristol.
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Speaker 3: They probably Okay. Can I just say this?
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Speaker 2: The Crumble guy Crumble Cookies has gotten more marketing and
1:22:20
Speaker 2: love and run from one single corporate head tweet than
1:22:26
Speaker 2: is ever justifiable. This is an article about one of
1:22:31
Speaker 2: the best college football writers employed by ESPN. All right,
1:22:36
Speaker 2: promotion of note BYU defensive coordinator Kelly Pupinga and the
1:22:42
Speaker 2: first sentence thanks to Crumble Cookies and other influences BYU
1:22:47
Speaker 2: kept coach Kaloni Sataki. We could say whatever we want
1:22:52
Speaker 2: about that guy, all right, as Utah fans, as people
1:22:55
Speaker 2: who like chip instead of Crumble whatever Crumble Cookie dude,
1:22:59
Speaker 2: with that tweet, I'm gonna get off the sidelines. He's
1:23:04
Speaker 2: still months later getting run on national publications mentions of.
1:23:10
Speaker 3: His involvement with b YU.
1:23:12
Speaker 2: That is the single most successful marketing campaign Crumble has
1:23:16
Speaker 2: ever run.
1:23:18
Speaker 5: Is does that also speak to the growth of the
1:23:23
Speaker 5: of the company too, because I it's their their nationwide
1:23:29
Speaker 5: Some of these other some of these other cookies all
1:23:31
Speaker 5: do cookie companies, all due respect or not, have not
1:23:34
Speaker 5: had the nationwide reach that Crumble has had. So maybe
1:23:37
Speaker 5: that's part of why it's like that's recognizable and it
1:23:40
Speaker 5: was a funny story.
1:23:41
Speaker 3: Let's I think part of that's the business model.
1:23:43
Speaker 2: I think that they are the one that decided we're
1:23:45
Speaker 2: going to franchise.
1:23:49
Speaker 3: In any case. But yeah, he's done well for himself, dude.
1:23:53
Speaker 2: And we didn't talk about this enough honestly on the
1:23:56
Speaker 2: show because there was so much going on with Utah football.
1:23:58
Speaker 2: But Kelly Popinga being elevated to defensive coordinator because Jay
1:24:02
Speaker 2: Hill left to go to Michigan. He's been at BYU
1:24:06
Speaker 2: for multiple regime changes. Now Kelly Papinga is the dude,
1:24:11
Speaker 2: like every coach knows he's a good coach, and every
1:24:16
Speaker 2: coach at BYU recognizes that, like, oh yeah, this guy
1:24:20
Speaker 2: is a huge part of consistency and culture at BYU.
1:24:28
Speaker 2: I don't know Kelly Papina well personally. I've only talked
1:24:31
Speaker 2: to him a couple of times. But people that I
1:24:35
Speaker 2: consider myself close friends with are close friends with him,
1:24:38
Speaker 2: and all have really great things to say about him.
1:24:41
Speaker 2: He's He's not the sexiest, biggest name higher that you're
1:24:48
Speaker 2: gonna see in the Big twelve conference. But I like
1:24:51
Speaker 2: this elevation for BYU, and most importantly so do certain
1:24:56
Speaker 2: players Falatous Satawala, Evan Johnson. I don't think Isaiah Glaser
1:25:03
Speaker 2: really had another option in terms of the NFL, but
1:25:06
Speaker 2: obviously he could have hit the transfer portal, and they
1:25:09
Speaker 2: all like to stay because of Kelly Papinka being elevated.
1:25:13
Speaker 2: So go check out that article on ESPN. Adam Rittenberg's
1:25:19
Speaker 2: tracker of the notable Coordinator changes.
1:25:22
Speaker 3: My question for you OC.
1:25:26
Speaker 5: Is should Colton Swan have been the guy mentioned here
1:25:31
Speaker 5: or was Kelly Pipinga the right guy to highlight by
1:25:34
Speaker 5: Adam Rittenberg? And I'll say this, it makes sense that
1:25:37
Speaker 5: he would highlight Kelly Papinga over Colton Swan in the
1:25:43
Speaker 5: sense that b YU is more nationally relevant this year
1:25:46
Speaker 5: because they got to the Big twelve championship game. The
1:25:50
Speaker 5: Pop Tarts Bowl has become a big deal.
1:25:52
Speaker 4: Well.
1:25:52
Speaker 2: I think also part of it is the fact that
1:25:55
Speaker 2: Jay Hill is so recognized now as one of the
1:25:58
Speaker 2: top assistants in all of college football.
1:26:00
Speaker 3: That guy going to Michigan and makes it nationally relevant. Yeah,
1:26:04
Speaker 3: and the.
1:26:04
Speaker 2: Fact that he's replacing Jay Hill is as big of
1:26:08
Speaker 2: a deal and honestly the player retention thing that they
1:26:10
Speaker 2: were able to achieve when the transfer portal opened and
1:26:13
Speaker 2: then closed without really BYU losing a dang thing. I mean,
1:26:18
Speaker 2: Utah fans, I know you hate to hear it. They
1:26:21
Speaker 2: got it humming down there in provo right now. From
1:26:23
Speaker 2: a recruiting standpoint, whatever rebuild has to happen under Morgan
1:26:29
Speaker 2: Scalley has to happen quick, Yeah, because you can't fall behind.
1:26:34
Speaker 2: You're already behind financially. You can't fall behind in terms
1:26:38
Speaker 2: of competitiveness any more than three in a row lost
1:26:41
Speaker 2: in the rivalry game.
1:26:42
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:26:43
Speaker 5: And I think it's fair to say that Colton Swan's
1:26:48
Speaker 5: promotion the defensive coordinator is probably the next most notable
1:26:53
Speaker 5: in the conference, right. I mean, we don't follow the
1:26:56
Speaker 5: rest of the teams as closely as we do Utah
1:26:58
Speaker 5: and BAU obviously, but I don't know that there's been
1:27:03
Speaker 5: other than those two. I don't know that there's been
1:27:05
Speaker 5: a more notable promotion to coordinator.
1:27:08
Speaker 3: Well, Colin Klein going back to Kansas State.
1:27:11
Speaker 5: But that's head coach, right, Oh yeah, sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah,
1:27:16
Speaker 5: you know, I think.
1:27:18
Speaker 3: You're we can't be missing one.
1:27:21
Speaker 5: And if someone a listener, you want to text in
1:27:24
Speaker 5: if you're if we're missing somebody obviously going to Texas
1:27:27
Speaker 5: in eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred,
1:27:31
Speaker 5: where did uh?
1:27:32
Speaker 3: Where's Gary Patterson going? He's going to the USC, so
1:27:35
Speaker 3: that's that.
1:27:36
Speaker 2: That's Big twelve adjacent because of his his former but yeah,
1:27:40
Speaker 2: he's going to USC, so that doesn't count.
1:27:42
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was.
1:27:42
Speaker 2: Colton Swan probably deserves to be mentioned as you know,
1:27:46
Speaker 2: honor like honorable mentioned beyond.
1:27:49
Speaker 5: That now, just to be just to be clear, the
1:27:52
Speaker 5: way he structured the article, he picked one per category,
1:27:56
Speaker 5: basically the one exception, which is better, by the way,
1:27:59
Speaker 5: than just throw every name in there. So Adam Rinberg
1:28:02
Speaker 5: picked one per category. So he decided to highlight Kelly
1:28:05
Speaker 5: Papinga for those, I mean, really good reasons to do
1:28:09
Speaker 5: that instead of highlighting a Colton Swan who I think
1:28:12
Speaker 5: is also notable in the conference, but he also did
1:28:15
Speaker 5: it by conference, so Gary Patterson was mentioned as this
1:28:20
Speaker 5: for the Big Ten or he might have been blast
1:28:22
Speaker 5: from the past.
1:28:22
Speaker 3: Anyway, there's a bunch of different categories.
1:28:25
Speaker 2: I I don't know how many people were paying as
1:28:28
Speaker 2: close attention to this Alabama basketball Charles Bettioco situation as
1:28:34
Speaker 2: I was paying.
1:28:36
Speaker 3: I was overly obsessed with this thing.
1:28:38
Speaker 2: He is now again ruled ineligible to compete for the
1:28:42
Speaker 2: University of Alabama. This is the guy I remember who
1:28:45
Speaker 2: was drafted into the NBA, didn't actually make an NBA
1:28:50
Speaker 2: roster g League did, and then came back to the
1:28:53
Speaker 2: University of Alabama. Was suing for his right to compete
1:28:56
Speaker 2: at Alabama again, got a temporary restraining order against the
1:28:59
Speaker 2: nca so they couldn't block him, and the judge in
1:29:03
Speaker 2: the case was a big time Alabama booster, so then
1:29:06
Speaker 2: that judge had to be removed. And then the NCAA,
1:29:10
Speaker 2: if you're keeping score, has not had any real wins
1:29:13
Speaker 2: as of late when it comes to eligibility cases. This
1:29:16
Speaker 2: is the first one they've had in a while, which
1:29:19
Speaker 2: is encouraging because you don't want to see I mean,
1:29:23
Speaker 2: I don't I don't think we want to see a
1:29:25
Speaker 2: situation where NBA players get to return. I'd rather see
1:29:31
Speaker 2: a situation where NFL players get to return.
1:29:33
Speaker 5: There's only one small l in this with this from
1:29:38
Speaker 5: the NCAA, it's perspective. Did you see Charlie Baker's statement
1:29:42
Speaker 5: the quote anyway from his statement he said, he said,
1:29:46
Speaker 5: this is where he basically applauded the ruling right and
1:29:51
Speaker 5: said that you know, NBA players, pro players should not
1:29:55
Speaker 5: be getting in the way of high school players who
1:30:00
Speaker 5: wanna want to fulfill their dream of playing college basketball.
1:30:03
Speaker 3: That part outstanding.
1:30:05
Speaker 5: Then he goes on to say, Congress, please help us
1:30:07
Speaker 5: get this and get this in order. It's like, toy, Baker,
1:30:11
Speaker 5: I know you weren't in charge when all of this,
1:30:13
Speaker 5: when all this mess was created, But this is happening
1:30:18
Speaker 5: because of you guys, not because Congress isn't making a
1:30:21
Speaker 5: federal law about it.
1:30:22
Speaker 3: Okay, let's remember that, like, just get your house in order.
1:30:27
Speaker 2: You don't you don't get to just call Congress or
1:30:29
Speaker 2: actually that's what big businesses usually get.
1:30:33
Speaker 3: How about this?
1:30:34
Speaker 2: Things are really coming up Seattle as much as it
1:30:37
Speaker 2: bothers me to say that for the Seattle Seahawks, I
1:30:40
Speaker 2: actually really like the city of Seattle. I think every
1:30:44
Speaker 2: person I know from Seattle I like the Seattle Sonics.
1:30:51
Speaker 2: The Seattle SuperSonics seem likely to return the NBA Board
1:30:55
Speaker 2: of Governors. The rumor mill is spitting out the idea
1:30:59
Speaker 2: that sooner than later there's gonna be a vote for
1:31:02
Speaker 2: the NBA Board of Governors and the most likely outcome
1:31:05
Speaker 2: will be an approval for expansion, with Seattle and Las
1:31:09
Speaker 2: Vegas being the most likely spots to land an expansion
1:31:13
Speaker 2: NBA franchise Seattle has the rights to be branded as
1:31:19
Speaker 2: the SuperSonics to bring back the old stuff. This would
1:31:23
Speaker 2: be This would be a win for the NBA. I
1:31:26
Speaker 2: think Seattle is a cool town. It's a coole sports town.
1:31:29
Speaker 2: Bringing Seattle SuperSonics back and you know some of the
1:31:34
Speaker 2: throwback uniforms, all that stuff, great news.
1:31:37
Speaker 5: Yeah, they should never have they should never have left.
1:31:41
Speaker 5: And okay, see's done. The okay, see thunder has They're
1:31:44
Speaker 5: obviously they're defending champions. They've obviously done very well from
1:31:47
Speaker 5: themselves in Oklahoma City. But that should never have happened,
1:31:51
Speaker 5: and It shouldn't have taken this long. It shouldn't have
1:31:54
Speaker 5: taken this long to get a team back in Seattle.
1:31:56
Speaker 5: That's always been a great NBA city. And it kills
1:31:59
Speaker 5: me that we've had a whole generation who don't even
1:32:03
Speaker 5: know that Seattle was an NBA city at this point. So, yeah,
1:32:08
Speaker 5: obviously a great move to bring the Sonics.
1:32:10
Speaker 3: Now, how quickly could this happen?
1:32:13
Speaker 2: Reports are that they could start playing as soon as
1:32:15
Speaker 2: the twenty seven to twenty eight season. Okay, now, both
1:32:18
Speaker 2: cities in the case of years from now, In the
1:32:20
Speaker 2: case of Vegas and the Seattle, they've already got arenas, right,
1:32:24
Speaker 2: they both have NHL teams that play in those arenas,
1:32:28
Speaker 2: And you could, just like Ryan Smith and company added
1:32:33
Speaker 2: the Utah Mammoth with relative quickness, you could do the
1:32:37
Speaker 2: same thing in those two cities.
1:32:39
Speaker 5: On one team from the west. Will will need to
1:32:43
Speaker 5: move east. I don't know if you've been tracking that
1:32:45
Speaker 5: part of this whole thing, all these rumors.
1:32:48
Speaker 2: Oh see, and I think Gordy say that he thought
1:32:50
Speaker 2: it'd be like Minnesota.
1:32:51
Speaker 5: Maybe I think it's gonna be Memphis or New Orleans.
1:32:56
Speaker 5: Those two are I believe the farthest Eastern team in
1:33:00
Speaker 5: the Western Conference.
1:33:01
Speaker 2: Memphis is not Western by any stretch of the imagining.
1:33:05
Speaker 5: For some reason, they've they've allt well, it's not for
1:33:08
Speaker 5: some reason. They were the Vancouver Grizzlies, and they and
1:33:11
Speaker 5: because you got to keep because the NBA has to
1:33:15
Speaker 5: keep them, even each conference have the same amount of teams.
1:33:19
Speaker 5: They they're like, Okay, we're making Memphis, We're keeping Memphis
1:33:23
Speaker 5: in the West. But yeah, that one Memphis is I
1:33:27
Speaker 5: think the more likely one to h to move East.
1:33:30
Speaker 5: And you know what, the Grizzlies fans should be thrilled
1:33:33
Speaker 5: about that with the way with how weak.
1:33:35
Speaker 3: The Eastern Conference is right now, just saying.
1:33:38
Speaker 2: So Seattle Vegas, I would be I I'm kind of
1:33:45
Speaker 2: curious to know what sort of branding they would go
1:33:47
Speaker 2: with for a Vegas NBA team.
1:33:51
Speaker 3: The w NBA is the Aces.
1:33:52
Speaker 5: Maybe they do some kind of card thing they're I
1:33:57
Speaker 5: don't know, I don't know what ACES is the best
1:34:00
Speaker 5: one to do.
1:34:00
Speaker 3: If you're gonna do a card theme.
1:34:02
Speaker 2: You know, it's kind of a miss for the WNBA
1:34:04
Speaker 2: to not be called the Queens.
1:34:06
Speaker 3: But if you're doing a card team, yeah, that's true.
1:34:09
Speaker 2: You could let the NBA team be the Aces and
1:34:12
Speaker 2: you could be the Queens, but they've already figured it out.
1:34:14
Speaker 5: Maybe the clubs all the nightlife in Vegas too, the
1:34:18
Speaker 5: Las Vegas clubs. I mean, who knows the diamonds Diamonds Vegas,
1:34:24
Speaker 5: Diamonds Vegas.
1:34:25
Speaker 2: That would that would screw it up for the Utah
1:34:27
Speaker 2: Black Diamonds. Yeah, which was a proposed branding for the
1:34:31
Speaker 2: hockey team. You could use it on the baseball field
1:34:35
Speaker 2: for eventual that's.
1:34:36
Speaker 3: A diamond, don't you know. I don't hate that.
1:34:40
Speaker 5: I don't They go trappers like the old the minor
1:34:44
Speaker 5: league team before the Beast.
1:34:46
Speaker 3: Or the goals, yeah, the old Salt Lake goals either.
1:34:49
Speaker 3: One of the things I don't like about that.
1:34:51
Speaker 2: I like the colors, it's effectively Miami Dolphins colors, the
1:34:54
Speaker 2: old goals stuff. The only thing I don't like about
1:34:56
Speaker 2: the goals thing is invariable.
1:35:01
Speaker 3: People are like, wait, seagulls, what are you talking about?
1:35:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, because then you have to explain, actually, there's a
1:35:06
Speaker 2: lot of seagulls in Utah.
1:35:08
Speaker 5: The Great Salt Lakes, like as big as as big
1:35:11
Speaker 5: as one of your seas.
1:35:13
Speaker 2: And then let me tell you We'll let me tell
1:35:15
Speaker 2: you a story about the crickets, the old Mormon crickets, how.
1:35:19
Speaker 3: About the Utah crickets. Turn it around.
1:35:22
Speaker 2: I think, uh again, we're we're a couple of years out.
1:35:26
Speaker 2: I think we're probably three four years out from when
1:35:29
Speaker 2: we have to make these decisions on baseball. But the
1:35:33
Speaker 2: cutthroats would be a really really cool fish slash sort
1:35:39
Speaker 2: of like dangerous.
1:35:40
Speaker 5: Term kind of, and I would hope that there wouldn't
1:35:45
Speaker 5: be as much backlashes as we got as we got
1:35:49
Speaker 5: for I think Bill Riley wanted that for the hockey team.
1:35:51
Speaker 5: People didn't like it for hockey because because it has
1:35:56
Speaker 5: actually happened, happened where.
1:35:57
Speaker 2: People's had their throats, had their throats in hockey. So
1:36:01
Speaker 2: all right, that's fine, you not get your throats cut
1:36:03
Speaker 2: playing baseball. It's not a thing in baseball, not really illegal.
1:36:07
Speaker 3: Has just.
1:36:10
Speaker 2: Baseball spikes are not that dangerous to the to the
1:36:13
Speaker 2: human throat. Also, I'm sure we'll come up, people will
1:36:18
Speaker 2: come up. Remember mammoth kind of came out of nowhere. Yeah,
1:36:23
Speaker 2: that was not even part of the first survey. Ended
1:36:27
Speaker 2: up winning.
1:36:28
Speaker 5: And well, I wonder if Outlaws will get a lot
1:36:30
Speaker 5: of play because that seemed to be other than YETI
1:36:33
Speaker 5: that seemed to be the most popular one besides Mammoth.
1:36:36
Speaker 3: Maybe by then the YETI cooler brand will have.
1:36:40
Speaker 5: Just YETI baseball, We'll just have just died out. Doesn't
1:36:45
Speaker 5: fit as well with us. They fit as well with
1:36:47
Speaker 5: a baseball thing. Oh real quick, one more thing before
1:36:50
Speaker 5: we break. We got a rivalry game and Olympic hockey
1:36:53
Speaker 5: going on right now, women's women's hockey dominating Canada to
1:36:58
Speaker 5: nothing after the first period.
1:37:00
Speaker 3: I think the shots on goal were like twelve to
1:37:02
Speaker 3: three two or.
1:37:03
Speaker 5: Something like that. So let's go Team USA. Canada's not
1:37:07
Speaker 5: never even been good at hockey. Here's what I don't understand,
1:37:13
Speaker 5: all right, the US women are pretty consistently better than
1:37:20
Speaker 5: the Canadian women. Yeah, the US men are still chasing
1:37:25
Speaker 5: the Canadian men. Yeah, it's not like I mean, it's
1:37:30
Speaker 5: not like.
1:37:30
Speaker 2: Women's hockey in Canada hasn't been big longer than it's
1:37:34
Speaker 2: been big in the States.
1:37:35
Speaker 3: Right.
1:37:35
Speaker 5: Well, yes, here's I'll make another sport parallel here, Team USA.
1:37:42
Speaker 5: The US women's national soccer team is the world power
1:37:46
Speaker 5: in soccer, the traditional world power in soccer, even though
1:37:50
Speaker 5: obviously soccer is a bigger deal around the world that
1:37:53
Speaker 5: it is here, but women's soccer been able to establish
1:37:58
Speaker 5: the dominance. So for whatever reason, the we just we
1:38:01
Speaker 5: have more elite women's athletics around the world.
1:38:04
Speaker 3: Are women more athletic than your women? World?
1:38:06
Speaker 2: Deal with it. In Canada, what are you doing with
1:38:11
Speaker 2: red and black uniforms? We can all see your flag.
1:38:15
Speaker 2: We know what it looks like. It's red and white.
1:38:19
Speaker 5: Unnecessary black Like wait, you're gonna have a blackout uniform too?
1:38:24
Speaker 3: Like, come on now?
1:38:27
Speaker 2: Check out the highlights sweds Shaw an amazing one where.
1:38:32
Speaker 5: You see the Do you see the worker right next
1:38:34
Speaker 5: to the faith look on her face like she's tm
1:38:38
Speaker 5: USA just checked or didn't just but during the first
1:38:41
Speaker 5: period checked a big time check on a Canadian player
1:38:44
Speaker 5: and one of the workers had a front row seat
1:38:46
Speaker 5: and she's like, what was that?
1:38:49
Speaker 2: Okay, I have a question where I'm gonna I'm deliberately
1:38:51
Speaker 2: putting this in a short segment because it can get
1:38:54
Speaker 2: a little controversial for people. But sports and politics most
1:38:59
Speaker 2: of the time, it feels like, don't marry those two things.
1:39:03
Speaker 2: Let sports be a distraction from politics or whatever. What
1:39:07
Speaker 2: about in the Olympics, though we'll get to that next.
1:39:10
Speaker 2: It's the Shan O'Connell Show on ESPN seven ninety.
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Speaker 1: God, as you were listening to the Sean O'Connell Show
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1:39:34
Speaker 2: All right, Sean O'Connell Show, ESPN seven hundred ninety twem
1:39:38
Speaker 2: Jeff Schwartz is gonna join us at the top of
1:39:41
Speaker 2: our next hour to recap the super Bowl, talk about
1:39:43
Speaker 2: the upcoming draft evaluation process, all that stuff politics and sports.
1:39:50
Speaker 2: It just right off the top. Is the Olympics a
1:39:55
Speaker 2: better or worse place to make your political points than
1:39:58
Speaker 2: the average sporting event, like than a pro sporting event.
1:40:02
Speaker 2: It is an international stage, the international community is paying attention.
1:40:06
Speaker 2: There's a long standing history and tradition of people and
1:40:11
Speaker 2: even whole nations making political statements with their participation or
1:40:16
Speaker 2: lack thereof in the Olympics.
1:40:21
Speaker 3: So, while a lot of us don't.
1:40:23
Speaker 2: Want to deal with political anything, social commentary anything in
1:40:30
Speaker 2: the sports world, do you allow for more space for
1:40:34
Speaker 2: that in the Olympics. This question came to my mind
1:40:39
Speaker 2: today because there's a Ukrainian skeleton s letter whose helmet
1:40:46
Speaker 2: is painted with portraits of Ukrainian athletes who have lost
1:40:49
Speaker 2: their lives since the war with Russia began, since the
1:40:52
Speaker 2: Russian invasion of Ukraine. And he's being told it's only
1:40:58
Speaker 2: practice runs and things like that, training runs for now.
1:41:01
Speaker 2: But he has been told by the Olympic Committee, you
1:41:04
Speaker 2: can't wear that helmet. That's a political statement. And he's like, well,
1:41:08
Speaker 2: I'm gonna wear the helmet and they're like you can't.
1:41:10
Speaker 2: He's like, well, I'm gonna. I want to honor these people.
1:41:14
Speaker 2: I want to commemorate their lives and the tragedy of
1:41:16
Speaker 2: their lives being lost. And the Olympic Committee's just like, no,
1:41:20
Speaker 2: that is a political or religious or cultural statement which
1:41:24
Speaker 2: is allowed in Section five Dash forty of the Olympic whatever.
1:41:29
Speaker 2: And he's just like, well, no, these are people that
1:41:32
Speaker 2: I want to honor. And they're like, you could wear
1:41:34
Speaker 2: an armband. They're giving him a special allowance to wear
1:41:37
Speaker 2: a black armband as a memorial, and he's like, I'm
1:41:40
Speaker 2: not gonna wear the armband. I don't want to wear
1:41:42
Speaker 2: the armband. I want to wear the helmet with their
1:41:44
Speaker 2: faces on it. These are people, and a lot of
1:41:46
Speaker 2: them are unfortunately young people that have lost their lives
1:41:51
Speaker 2: in this conflict, and you know, he's getting support from
1:41:56
Speaker 2: a lot of his fellow skeleton racers is whatever they're called,
1:42:01
Speaker 2: ice track downhill ice track skeletons, and he's also getting
1:42:07
Speaker 2: and some people are just like, yeah, not the place
1:42:09
Speaker 2: for it. So where do you stand eight seven seven
1:42:12
Speaker 2: three five three zero seven hundred, Because look, the Olympics
1:42:17
Speaker 2: is definitely a place where the international community comes together
1:42:20
Speaker 2: and the unity and all of that stuff is great.
1:42:25
Speaker 2: And for the Olympics to say, we don't know, we
1:42:27
Speaker 2: don't do political stuff here, absolutely, the Olympics does do
1:42:31
Speaker 2: political stuff. Yeah, it's technically, like you mentioned, it's technically
1:42:36
Speaker 2: not allowed to do any kind of potical demonstrations, poltical whatever,
1:42:41
Speaker 2: for any of the athletes to do that during the Games.
1:42:44
Speaker 2: But as you said, there's a long standing history of
1:42:49
Speaker 2: people making of athletes making political statements. One of the
1:42:53
Speaker 2: first might have been was a John Carlos in the
1:42:56
Speaker 2: sixty eight Summer Games, I mean.
1:42:58
Speaker 3: Jesse Owens before that.
1:43:01
Speaker 5: Yeah, not overt like Jesse open gesture, just by being
1:43:07
Speaker 5: himself and he was just being making a massive statement
1:43:11
Speaker 5: by competing at the Berlin Olympics and beating the quote
1:43:15
Speaker 5: unquote aryan race as an African American absolutely, like so,
1:43:19
Speaker 5: I mean, look, there's yeah, the the podium, the iconic
1:43:23
Speaker 5: photo of the fists raised in the Black Power salute,
1:43:27
Speaker 5: like that is probably the most famous symbol. But there's been,
1:43:31
Speaker 5: I mean, there's been the US is boycotted games, other
1:43:35
Speaker 5: countries have boycotted games that I guess that doesn't count
1:43:39
Speaker 5: as political statement political demonstration because it didn't happen during
1:43:43
Speaker 5: the Olympics, but it's just it's weird. It's weird that
1:43:46
Speaker 5: the I understand why the International Olympic Committee, who is
1:43:51
Speaker 5: the governing body of all the Olympics, would want to
1:43:56
Speaker 5: take this stand because the point of the Olympics is
1:43:59
Speaker 5: to set all that aside and let's come together and
1:44:03
Speaker 5: compete in good and promote goodwill in our world right
1:44:07
Speaker 5: through sports.
1:44:09
Speaker 3: But also.
1:44:13
Speaker 5: It is an international stage. There are problems in the world,
1:44:16
Speaker 5: and there are things that are happening in various countries
1:44:19
Speaker 5: and regions around the world that hey, guys, the athletes
1:44:23
Speaker 5: ought to be able to do something to raise awareness
1:44:26
Speaker 5: for some of that.
1:44:27
Speaker 3: And I know that.
1:44:28
Speaker 2: You know, there was the US skier that people got
1:44:30
Speaker 2: mad at because he made some pretty innocuous in my opinion,
1:44:36
Speaker 2: statements about like, yeah, man, it's tough sometimes seeing the
1:44:39
Speaker 2: things that are going on in our country, and it
1:44:41
Speaker 2: makes him feel a little bit conflicted to be representing
1:44:44
Speaker 2: a country that right now is pretty unpopular around the
1:44:47
Speaker 2: world in some parts of the world or whatever. But
1:44:48
Speaker 2: like the discourse that comes from that is constructive and
1:44:52
Speaker 2: good can be anyway, well should be in the best
1:44:56
Speaker 2: case scenario, Like if you can't talk about things and
1:44:59
Speaker 2: you're gonna pretend that we I don't have any problems,
1:45:01
Speaker 2: you're gonna live in this weird state of denial and
1:45:03
Speaker 2: act like we're a perfect country and then everyone gets
1:45:06
Speaker 2: along like it's just silly. I understand though, where some
1:45:09
Speaker 2: people are like sports are not the place for it.
1:45:12
Speaker 2: And by the way, it's unfair to athletes in a
1:45:14
Speaker 2: lot of cases, like hey, you answer, excuse me, sir.
1:45:18
Speaker 2: I know you're really good at running fast, or you
1:45:20
Speaker 2: can jump high, or you can fly on those weird
1:45:24
Speaker 2: long skis. I would really like to know how you
1:45:28
Speaker 2: would solve all the world's problems right now.
1:45:30
Speaker 3: It's like that's a little unfair.
1:45:32
Speaker 2: I get it, and I also understand why the Olympic
1:45:36
Speaker 2: committe would be like, dude, if you let this Ukrainian
1:45:38
Speaker 2: guy put like a political statement on his helmet, then
1:45:41
Speaker 2: the next person wants to do their own political statement.
1:45:44
Speaker 2: And then it becomes a stage in which people are like, well,
1:45:48
Speaker 2: now this is what I'm gonna do when I'm at
1:45:50
Speaker 2: the Olympics, and that can be distracting to the spirit
1:45:53
Speaker 2: of the games and of the competition. I'm I didn't
1:45:58
Speaker 2: know the official policy.
1:46:00
Speaker 3: I guess.
1:46:02
Speaker 2: On things like that because reporters are often asking athletes
1:46:06
Speaker 2: political questions and socioeconomic questions and things like that. It's
1:46:11
Speaker 2: always been a storyline around Olympic coverage where someone comes
1:46:16
Speaker 2: from their immigration status like all these things, and from
1:46:20
Speaker 2: the Olympic Committee standpoint, it's just like, no, man, you're
1:46:24
Speaker 2: gonna wear your country's uniform and you're gonna shut up
1:46:27
Speaker 2: and ski or shut up and sled, or shut up
1:46:29
Speaker 2: and run, or shut up and swim or whatever. And
1:46:31
Speaker 2: it's really I don't know the Olympics. I guess learning
1:46:35
Speaker 2: some of history through the lens of sport when I
1:46:38
Speaker 2: was younger, and that you brought up the best example
1:46:41
Speaker 2: that John Carlos at the I forget the other sprinter,
1:46:46
Speaker 2: but there was two of the sprinters on the metal
1:46:48
Speaker 2: Pony and John Carlos is the is the one that
1:46:51
Speaker 2: comes to mind. But yeah, that was as big a
1:46:54
Speaker 2: deal as it was, not just because it was an
1:46:57
Speaker 2: iconic photo and because the greater civil rights movement that
1:47:02
Speaker 2: was at its height in the sixties, but also because
1:47:04
Speaker 2: it was a direct violation of the of Olympic rules.
1:47:09
Speaker 3: Tommy Smith was that's it. Yeah, So.
1:47:14
Speaker 5: I'll say this with the in regards to the Ukrainian
1:47:17
Speaker 5: athlete here, I don't like that that that his helmet
1:47:23
Speaker 5: with faces of of victims of the of the Ukraine
1:47:28
Speaker 5: Ukrainian Russian War is considered a political statement, even though
1:47:34
Speaker 5: I understand, I kind of understand why they would say this.
1:47:40
Speaker 5: I don't care if this is a gray area. We're
1:47:42
Speaker 5: calling this a political statement.
1:47:43
Speaker 6: It's like.
1:47:46
Speaker 3: He's trying to honor his countrymen. He's not.
1:47:50
Speaker 5: He doesn't have he doesn't have anything disparaging about Russia
1:47:53
Speaker 5: on his helmet. He's got faces of of people who
1:47:55
Speaker 5: died his his fellow countrymen like that.
1:47:58
Speaker 3: That. I don't know that that should be considered a
1:48:01
Speaker 3: political statement, but yeah, I don't know. It's uh, it
1:48:05
Speaker 3: is in the gray area.
1:48:06
Speaker 2: Though It's one of these things where it's like, you know,
1:48:08
Speaker 2: in sports radio, you're supposed to have kind of a
1:48:10
Speaker 2: firm take, hot take on whatever, and it's one of
1:48:13
Speaker 2: these things where I'm like, I would rather.
1:48:16
Speaker 3: Hear what people think about it.
1:48:17
Speaker 2: Eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred at
1:48:20
Speaker 2: RIOC Sports as long as we're talking about it. By
1:48:23
Speaker 2: the way, go look up Peter Norman, who was the
1:48:29
Speaker 2: Australian silver medalist on the podium with the two Americans,
1:48:33
Speaker 2: Tommy Smith and John Carlos, and he wore a pin
1:48:37
Speaker 2: in solidarity with them. Oh yeah, and like the backlash
1:48:41
Speaker 2: that he received when he went home. It's a really
1:48:44
Speaker 2: really fascinating story. It was a very complicated time in
1:48:49
Speaker 2: political history, certainly in the United States, but when he
1:48:53
Speaker 2: went back to Australia, people were just like, what are
1:48:57
Speaker 2: you doing? So just if you have time, go look
1:48:59
Speaker 2: up his story and how he was handled.
1:49:02
Speaker 3: And he didn't he didn't do the fists. He just
1:49:04
Speaker 3: had the pin.
1:49:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he like I think, publicly stated that he
1:49:09
Speaker 2: supported their right to protest whatever. In any case, Uh,
1:49:12
Speaker 2: go look up his story. Jeff Schwartz is going to
1:49:15
Speaker 2: join us next. We'll recap the Super Bowl, talk about
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1:50:02
Speaker 3: Jeff. How are you.
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Speaker 11: I want to thank you for helping yea if you
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Speaker 11: got me? Yes, I'm here.
1:50:10
Speaker 3: Oh here, there, We're good.
1:50:12
Speaker 4: There we are.
1:50:13
Speaker 11: I was saying, I'd like to thank you for helping
1:50:15
Speaker 11: me on Sunday with a small donation. It's not really
1:50:20
Speaker 11: about the donation. It's more about my wife who decide
1:50:24
Speaker 11: on Super Bowl Sunday to ask my friends to donate
1:50:27
Speaker 11: money for a contest essentially.
1:50:31
Speaker 3: Essentially a fundraiser like a kid's fundraiser or something.
1:50:34
Speaker 11: So basically a friend of ours is doing a fund
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Speaker 11: a fundraiser, and we're doing We're part of it. We're
1:50:42
Speaker 11: doing cancer research for my my my late father in
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Speaker 11: law passed away from a blood cancer. But you know,
1:50:49
Speaker 11: she so she has her main fundraiser and there's like
1:50:51
Speaker 11: a little you know, there's kind of like little arms
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Speaker 11: off of it. Right, we're one of the arms. And
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Speaker 11: the on Sunday at midnight, you got a bonus one
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Speaker 11: thousand dollars I think added from the organization if you
1:51:03
Speaker 11: had the most states that donated to your cause. Right,
1:51:07
Speaker 11: the fund the fundraiser still runs through the end of March,
1:51:09
Speaker 11: I think. So they were over a house Claire who
1:51:13
Speaker 11: has the fundraiser, and they were talking about this. So
1:51:17
Speaker 11: my wife decided to grab my phone and start texting
1:51:20
Speaker 11: everyone I knew in the second quarter of Super Bowl
1:51:22
Speaker 11: Sunday asking for money from different states. It was the
1:51:26
Speaker 11: twenty five dollars, like you know when I asking for
1:51:28
Speaker 11: a million. But like I was like, you know, mereth
1:51:30
Speaker 11: that Super Bowl Sunday, like you understand that, right, like
1:51:33
Speaker 11: in the second quarter of Super Bowl Sunday. And she's
1:51:35
Speaker 11: like she's like this so and so answer. I was like, no,
1:51:37
Speaker 11: it's Super Bowl Sunday. They did not answer.
1:51:40
Speaker 3: People are busy.
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Speaker 10: I knew you.
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Speaker 11: I knew I knew you would answer, so thank you
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Speaker 11: for that. I knew another buddy of my cannicet would answer.
1:51:47
Speaker 11: But I appreciate your donation. Thank you, But just a
1:51:49
Speaker 11: perfect meritive thing. Like middle of Super Bowl, the second
1:51:52
Speaker 11: quarter of the most watched game of the entire season,
1:51:56
Speaker 11: and she's grabbed my phone to text people for a cause.
1:52:00
Speaker 11: But nonetheless on Super Bowl Sunday, she's.
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Speaker 3: A wild card and I love it.
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Speaker 4: So it's just ah.
1:52:08
Speaker 3: Man, Uh, the game? Did it play out the way
1:52:12
Speaker 3: you thought it would?
1:52:13
Speaker 4: Yeah?
1:52:13
Speaker 11: I said twenty four to thirteen Seahawks, So yeah, exactly.
1:52:16
Speaker 11: Now the final score was pretty close, but the way
1:52:20
Speaker 11: it playing out, I think was not what I imagine. I
1:52:22
Speaker 11: didn't imagine. Seattle just dominate. But look, man, football can
1:52:27
Speaker 11: be complicated, right, We can certainly talk about it that way.
1:52:30
Speaker 11: We can make it complicated, but in the end, it
1:52:33
Speaker 11: actually is very simple. Right, are you better in the trenches?
1:52:36
Speaker 11: Are you better at tackling? Are you better at quarterback?
1:52:38
Speaker 1: Right?
1:52:39
Speaker 4: Are you better on special teams?
1:52:40
Speaker 7: Like?
1:52:40
Speaker 11: All those things mattered, and they're all matter in this game.
1:52:43
Speaker 11: They're all matter in this game. Seattle's punter was fantastic
1:52:46
Speaker 11: in this game. The Hicker was five for five. Those
1:52:50
Speaker 11: things all matter in this game. They're better in the trenches.
1:52:53
Speaker 11: They sacked. It was ended up being six sacks, even
1:52:55
Speaker 11: though the you know the it was really interception touchdown
1:52:59
Speaker 11: the one that was caught and and on the strip
1:53:03
Speaker 11: of sand of Drake May that could have been a
1:53:08
Speaker 11: seventh sack, but it was ruled or an interception on
1:53:10
Speaker 11: a sack. So like it just they dominated the trenches, man.
1:53:13
Speaker 11: Like that sometimes is how simple sports can be, the
1:53:16
Speaker 11: NFL can be. So, you know, it's Seattle. Look, they
1:53:21
Speaker 11: had a choice Pete Carroll or the GM John Schnyder,
1:53:24
Speaker 11: and they chose the GM, and they're paid off handsomely
1:53:29
Speaker 11: with a Super Bowl and with a roster that he
1:53:32
Speaker 11: has built up from scratch. It feels like just an
1:53:36
Speaker 11: incredible job by Seattle staff to get here. McDonald was great,
1:53:40
Speaker 11: just a really good win. There's a quality football win.
1:53:43
Speaker 4: Man.
1:53:46
Speaker 2: What does it say about the Patriots that it went
1:53:49
Speaker 2: down the way that it went down, that, you know,
1:53:51
Speaker 2: they gave up more sacks than any team ever has
1:53:55
Speaker 2: did a playoff run? And I will get to Will
1:53:58
Speaker 2: Campbell specifically here in a second, Hello to.
1:54:01
Speaker 3: The dog, my daughter's home and you know, just like, yeah.
1:54:05
Speaker 2: They're a young team still, so are they going to
1:54:07
Speaker 2: be able to sustain this success?
1:54:10
Speaker 11: So my pushback on the Patriots that you're heading into
1:54:12
Speaker 11: the game was I just think they were I didn't
1:54:14
Speaker 11: think they were overly talented team, right when you look
1:54:18
Speaker 11: at their roster, their starters, right, So Drake, may I
1:54:22
Speaker 11: think we agree really really good.
1:54:24
Speaker 4: Right.
1:54:25
Speaker 11: Christian Zalez, one of their corners, was great, played great
1:54:27
Speaker 11: in this game, right. I mean if there was like
1:54:29
Speaker 11: a defensive MVP, you know, maybe it was gonna be him, right,
1:54:31
Speaker 11: he was great. And then you look at the defensive tackles, right,
1:54:35
Speaker 11: Barmore and Williams. Barrymore's name wasn't called all games. Williams
1:54:38
Speaker 11: got a sack on the Seattle, right, coach, I thought
1:54:40
Speaker 11: would be an advantage for them in this game.
1:54:42
Speaker 4: That's it.
1:54:43
Speaker 11: That's it. Like they don't have a lot of football
1:54:46
Speaker 11: players relative to other Super Bowl teams, right, you know, Seattle,
1:54:49
Speaker 11: you could route a lawful a bunch of guys. I
1:54:51
Speaker 11: mean just JSN is better than anyone in New England
1:54:53
Speaker 11: has on their team, right, And so that that so
1:54:57
Speaker 11: New England just has to get better. Now they have
1:54:59
Speaker 11: the core back, which is the start, but they just
1:55:01
Speaker 11: have to get better around the quarterback now. So I
1:55:04
Speaker 11: and there's schedules can be much tougher this year. They're
1:55:06
Speaker 11: not gonna play easy schedule like they did this past season.
1:55:09
Speaker 11: So it does feel like a much tougher task to
1:55:12
Speaker 11: get back to where they are than Seattle that has
1:55:15
Speaker 11: a ton of cap spaces, a super young team, and
1:55:18
Speaker 11: it feels much easier for them to just get back
1:55:20
Speaker 11: to where they you know, to where they you know,
1:55:21
Speaker 11: to where they were this year.
1:55:24
Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about Will Campbell.
1:55:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's being dragged right now, having a really rough game,
1:55:31
Speaker 2: and you know that's gonna happen, I imagine too young
1:55:35
Speaker 2: offensive linemen sometimes, but you don't want it to happen in.
1:55:38
Speaker 3: The Super Bowl.
1:55:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen some of your comments on I don't
1:55:42
Speaker 2: know if our audience has seen the same stuff I've seen,
1:55:44
Speaker 2: so share.
1:55:46
Speaker 11: Yeah, So you know, it didn't play very well, as
1:55:48
Speaker 11: we know, and he spoke to media today, did not
1:55:50
Speaker 11: speak after the game, which you know, I don't know.
1:55:52
Speaker 11: I thought it was wasn't great, but in the end
1:55:54
Speaker 11: doesn't matter. He spoke today. So essentially, it's just so
1:55:59
Speaker 11: funny man so he's listed at six to six and
1:56:04
Speaker 11: I believe it's it's like three twenty, right, but he
1:56:08
Speaker 11: doesn't play sixty six three twenty. And I've made the
1:56:11
Speaker 11: comment a couple times, like he doesn't play big, and
1:56:14
Speaker 11: people are like, well, six sixty three twenty, he's played big.
1:56:17
Speaker 11: He is not the same six six three twenty right,
1:56:20
Speaker 11: the right tackle for New England six sixty three twenty
1:56:22
Speaker 11: gool look at them. Go look at Morgan Moses and
1:56:25
Speaker 11: Will Campbell. They're not the same player. And so he
1:56:30
Speaker 11: plays a style of football in my opinion, at the
1:56:33
Speaker 11: position that doesn't benefit his body. He tries to do
1:56:37
Speaker 11: too much, too many things that sort of big guys
1:56:43
Speaker 11: can do. But he doesn't play big. He's not that strong.
1:56:46
Speaker 11: He's not strong enough to do those things yet. And
1:56:48
Speaker 11: I put in the video you know that he had
1:56:50
Speaker 11: some good reps in this game. Wasn't all bad, and
1:56:52
Speaker 11: the good reps were how he needs to play almost
1:56:54
Speaker 11: all the time with a couple exceptions, and he can
1:56:58
Speaker 11: do it. He showed he can do it various times
1:57:00
Speaker 11: this game. So to me, it's just about honing that
1:57:02
Speaker 11: in right, It's it's he's a rookie, he's young. Just
1:57:05
Speaker 11: just do what works for you, don't try to do
1:57:07
Speaker 11: too much, and you'll be fine. I'm not concerned by it.
1:57:10
Speaker 11: Obviously in the moment. It's miserable because it's a Super Bowl. Ever,
1:57:13
Speaker 11: your eyes are on You didn't lose because of him.
1:57:16
Speaker 11: But that's where it needs to be fixed. Just on
1:57:19
Speaker 11: your technique in you want to use a technique that
1:57:21
Speaker 11: really is you know again, like you're not a big guy.
1:57:24
Speaker 11: Even though you're listed big, you don't play big. You
1:57:26
Speaker 11: don't big physical features again, look at his butt, look
1:57:29
Speaker 11: at his legs, look at his back, his like wingspan
1:57:32
Speaker 11: is very it's not the same thing. So you know,
1:57:34
Speaker 11: you're listed big and you might think you're big like
1:57:36
Speaker 11: you it's not how he plays. Sean right, he can't play.
1:57:38
Speaker 11: In my opinion, he can't play the way he played
1:57:41
Speaker 11: in this game. So it's easy fixed. He's gonna fix
1:57:43
Speaker 11: the technique.
1:57:44
Speaker 4: He can do it.
1:57:44
Speaker 11: He's he's plenty good enough when he gets his hands
1:57:46
Speaker 11: on guys. He just doesn't get his hands on guys.
1:57:48
Speaker 11: Look enough.
1:57:51
Speaker 3: Is that an off season fix or will it take
1:57:53
Speaker 3: longer than that?
1:57:54
Speaker 11: I think he can fix it this offseason. And you know,
1:57:58
Speaker 11: being healthy is gonna help, right he he he has
1:58:00
Speaker 11: a bum knee, which you know, everyone this time of
1:58:02
Speaker 11: year has something going on. His knee feels pretty bad,
1:58:05
Speaker 11: and so, you know, with a little bit of health,
1:58:06
Speaker 11: I think he'll be fine.
1:58:08
Speaker 4: I'm not concerned about it. I'm really not.
1:58:09
Speaker 11: He was playing fine before he got hurt. He missed
1:58:12
Speaker 11: four weeks in December ish time range, and he'll be fine.
1:58:16
Speaker 11: It just it just sucks. It's in the moment, right
1:58:18
Speaker 11: in this moment, everyone's watching, and everyone knows your name,
1:58:21
Speaker 11: and it's kind of a worse spot to be for
1:58:22
Speaker 11: an offense alignment.
1:58:25
Speaker 2: Jeff Schwartz is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell Show.
1:58:28
Speaker 2: So I saw a headline that Max Crosby is done
1:58:35
Speaker 2: with the Raiders. He doesn't want to play for the
1:58:37
Speaker 2: Raiders anymore. Told Tom Brady as such. He's bothered by
1:58:41
Speaker 2: the fact that they shut him down, et cetera, et cetera.
1:58:43
Speaker 2: It seems like a fractured relationship. But obviously they've they've
1:58:46
Speaker 2: got a new coach coming in. Yeah, and you know,
1:58:50
Speaker 2: even Tom himself is relatively new to the ownership situation,
1:58:54
Speaker 2: so you could potentially get more out of him whatever
1:58:57
Speaker 2: is that a relationship you should try to repair or
1:59:00
Speaker 2: you just say, all right, you know what, it's not
1:59:02
Speaker 2: going to work out.
1:59:02
Speaker 3: Let's get some value out of a guy like this
1:59:04
Speaker 3: if we can't.
1:59:05
Speaker 11: So today Quint Kubiak was in was in Vegas, the
1:59:09
Speaker 11: new head coach, the sales office coordinator, and he said,
1:59:11
Speaker 11: there's a He said he spoke to Crosby this morning.
1:59:14
Speaker 11: They had coffee, and I think that you can't let
1:59:19
Speaker 11: guys like that leave the building.
1:59:22
Speaker 6: Right.
1:59:22
Speaker 11: He is, for all times of persons, a great leader. Right,
1:59:26
Speaker 11: We've heard about his leadership, his work ethic. He wants
1:59:30
Speaker 11: to be a raider, right like you need those guys,
1:59:32
Speaker 11: in my opinion, to be in the building. And look,
1:59:35
Speaker 11: could you get extreme value for him? Probably? I bet
1:59:38
Speaker 11: you could get a good return from Max Crosby if
1:59:43
Speaker 11: you view that return as greater than the leadership you're losing. Okay,
1:59:49
Speaker 11: I can buy that if you have a new coach
1:59:52
Speaker 11: and you want to reset. But I feel like Crosby
1:59:55
Speaker 11: fits every coach that type of player he is, and
1:59:57
Speaker 11: so I keep him anyway I can. And you have
2:00:00
Speaker 11: to start repairing that relationship with the front office with
2:00:03
Speaker 11: him and Crosby obviously, new new head coach now, so
2:00:06
Speaker 11: that relationship starts brand new. I would try to keep
2:00:09
Speaker 11: him as.
2:00:09
Speaker 4: Best as possible. I really would resist any error to
2:00:12
Speaker 4: trate him.
2:00:14
Speaker 2: Now we turn our focus to the upcoming in NFL
2:00:19
Speaker 2: draft process.
2:00:20
Speaker 11: I think it's a college basketball is a little worried. Well,
2:00:23
Speaker 11: I'll do a BYU covering tonight. By the way, So
2:00:25
Speaker 11: there we go.
2:00:26
Speaker 2: We'll get to some Olympic betting here in just a second.
2:00:30
Speaker 2: But what right now for players that are getting ready
2:00:35
Speaker 2: for this upcoming NFL draft, Like, give me your hierarchy
2:00:38
Speaker 2: on the important part most important parts of the process
2:00:42
Speaker 2: that none of us get to watch.
2:00:44
Speaker 11: Well, I mean it's just you know, it's to me,
2:00:47
Speaker 11: it's about you know, making sure your body is prepped
2:00:50
Speaker 11: for the combine, right, and that includes you know, make
2:00:54
Speaker 11: sure your diet, your rehab. Yeah, I was trying to
2:00:57
Speaker 11: cut weight, like that's what I have to do. I
2:00:58
Speaker 11: had to cut weight to watch every single calori that
2:01:01
Speaker 11: in my body to make sure I was prepared to
2:01:03
Speaker 11: be my best of the combine. And you know, mentally, right,
2:01:06
Speaker 11: just having an idea of what your sales pitch is
2:01:08
Speaker 11: gonna You're gonna ute all these teams they're gonna talk
2:01:10
Speaker 11: to you. They want you to be authentic, of course,
2:01:12
Speaker 11: but you don't, you know, I think you need to
2:01:14
Speaker 11: sort of have an idea of what you want to
2:01:15
Speaker 11: say to, you know, to these teams in these meetings.
2:01:17
Speaker 11: So it's just about getting all those things prepared to
2:01:21
Speaker 11: get ready to go to combine. Right the combine. You're
2:01:25
Speaker 11: you're probably not going that far up in draft stock
2:01:29
Speaker 11: with the combine, but you can go down very very
2:01:31
Speaker 11: fast if you don't handle your business. It's a it's
2:01:33
Speaker 11: a job interview that you know you you should a
2:01:36
Speaker 11: so you know it's coming. You know, failing the drug
2:01:38
Speaker 11: test is just to be a moratal sin of the combine, Like,
2:01:42
Speaker 11: come on, I know NFL. I'm gonna turn the NFL
2:01:43
Speaker 11: test for for stuff anymore. I think it's tess the
2:01:46
Speaker 11: combine though, like just just be you know, be a professional, right,
2:01:50
Speaker 11: And so those are things that guys are going through
2:01:53
Speaker 11: right now to get ready to go. And I've said
2:01:56
Speaker 11: this many times. You know you you're in a cycle
2:01:58
Speaker 11: now where you know you're called football season ended. So
2:02:02
Speaker 11: you've been going since August and you basically don't stop
2:02:05
Speaker 11: it to the end of your Rokie season. Man, it's
2:02:07
Speaker 11: a NonStop grind until the end of the rookie season.
2:02:10
Speaker 11: So they're just in the middle of this right now.
2:02:11
Speaker 11: It's a fun time because you're thinking about your future,
2:02:14
Speaker 11: you're preparing for the NFL. But the combine you don't
2:02:17
Speaker 11: get super important to put, you know, put your best
2:02:19
Speaker 11: foot forward there.
2:02:21
Speaker 3: What Olympic sport are you most intrigued to bet on?
2:02:27
Speaker 11: Well, I didn't bet on it today, but I watched
2:02:29
Speaker 11: that that that ski sprinting, the.
2:02:31
Speaker 3: Cross country skiing where they're just running up.
2:02:34
Speaker 11: Hill, running up a hill. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty wild.
2:02:39
Speaker 11: And the American finished second today, which I think is
2:02:41
Speaker 11: our first medal in that sport since like the early seventies.
2:02:46
Speaker 11: But this guy I think is Norwegian, like just just
2:02:49
Speaker 11: he's the favorite, just like took off and sprinted immediately.
2:02:53
Speaker 11: I loved everyone turned into a ski expert on on Saturday.
2:02:57
Speaker 11: It was a Saturday Sunday morning when when Lindsey got hurt,
2:03:00
Speaker 11: everyone was like trying to a full on expert on skiing.
2:03:03
Speaker 2: It's the best part about like World Cup, Soccer, Olympics. Yeah,
2:03:07
Speaker 2: anything that happens in like a three four year cycle
2:03:11
Speaker 2: where we ignore it and then We've become huge experts
2:03:14
Speaker 2: on it overnight.
2:03:15
Speaker 3: I love that about these events.
2:03:18
Speaker 11: I so I've not made many wagers yet on much.
2:03:21
Speaker 11: I hope to do more. I mean hockey, I'll probably
2:03:24
Speaker 11: be able to put a little bit of you know,
2:03:25
Speaker 11: put something on. I saw the idea the other day.
2:03:28
Speaker 11: Actually sort of makes sense. Shouldn't basketball be played right
2:03:33
Speaker 11: now in the Olympics. Why is it a summer sport?
2:03:40
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess, but doesn't it feel more like
2:03:45
Speaker 2: a summer sport? It's played during the winter, I know,
2:03:48
Speaker 2: But does it basketball field more like a summer sport?
2:03:52
Speaker 11: Sure, but it's but it's physically played during the winter.
2:03:54
Speaker 11: So that's why I'm asking. I'm just curious, like like
2:03:56
Speaker 11: like NHL is taking a break right now right to play?
2:03:59
Speaker 3: Yeah?
2:04:00
Speaker 4: Do this? Why?
2:04:00
Speaker 11: It just seems I mean it would really it would
2:04:03
Speaker 11: really give a pozazz to the Winter Olympics that they need.
2:04:05
Speaker 11: I feel like I have to have some some NBA.
2:04:08
Speaker 3: If you have a bunch of.
2:04:09
Speaker 2: Dudes running around in shorts and tank tops at the
2:04:12
Speaker 2: at the Winter Olympics, they'd be inside though, I know,
2:04:16
Speaker 2: I know, but even the indoor events at the Winter Olympics.
2:04:19
Speaker 4: Everyone's wearing ice I am.
2:04:21
Speaker 11: I'm fascinated by the I mean these this the ice skating,
2:04:24
Speaker 11: the speed skating, the speed skating is like fascinating to me.
2:04:28
Speaker 11: It's uh, it's been fun to watch. And uh, you
2:04:32
Speaker 11: know refer I heard you on earlier talking about, you know,
2:04:35
Speaker 11: the the athletes that are voicing their pins on our country,
2:04:38
Speaker 11: and I know I heard you say something like it's
2:04:40
Speaker 11: sort of like not maybe the appropriate time to do so,
2:04:43
Speaker 11: or they're you know, it's but I feel like, isn't
2:04:45
Speaker 11: this is the only time for them to do this?
2:04:46
Speaker 2: Well, No, that's I think. I I don't like some
2:04:52
Speaker 2: people feel like you want to you know, don't don't
2:04:56
Speaker 2: talk about it. But it's like and the Olympics, this
2:04:59
Speaker 2: is the time where you have the most like universal audience,
2:05:03
Speaker 2: right and whatever it is you're trying to say, so, yeah,
2:05:06
Speaker 2: like and and because of I think some of the
2:05:09
Speaker 2: big stories of sports history from my youth were associated
2:05:14
Speaker 2: with the Olympic Games, you know, like with boycotts, with
2:05:18
Speaker 2: protests at the Olympics, things like that. I've always felt
2:05:21
Speaker 2: like the Olympics are more political than like professional sports.
2:05:25
Speaker 2: And I and I probably I probably have more of
2:05:28
Speaker 2: a if more of an interest in hearing what Olympians
2:05:31
Speaker 2: think of it, because I'm I'm this way like, I
2:05:34
Speaker 2: don't if you have five hundred million dollars from your
2:05:38
Speaker 2: NBA career, I probably don't care what your political opinions
2:05:41
Speaker 2: are because you don't live a real life. You don't
2:05:43
Speaker 2: have the same concerns that any other like citizen of
2:05:46
Speaker 2: this country has. If you're like just some random dude
2:05:50
Speaker 2: who worked for four years so that he could slide
2:05:54
Speaker 2: down a hill fast, you probably have a regular job.
2:05:57
Speaker 2: And I don't know, but I'm just saying, yeah, it's
2:06:01
Speaker 2: I I have always associated the Olympics with more political
2:06:05
Speaker 2: discussion rather than the opposite. But the official rule at
2:06:08
Speaker 2: the Olympics is you can't make political statements or religious
2:06:12
Speaker 2: statements or racial statements.
2:06:14
Speaker 11: Really like the USA rule, the IOC rules.
2:06:16
Speaker 3: See yes, the Olympic Committee rule.
2:06:19
Speaker 11: Oh wow, I did not know that. The thing that
2:06:22
Speaker 11: you know, look, this this country. I feel like it's
2:06:25
Speaker 11: the most American thing to be able to speak your
2:06:27
Speaker 11: mind without repercussion at the Olympics. Like you might disagree
2:06:30
Speaker 11: with the thing they're saying, but you know the people
2:06:32
Speaker 11: that are like just shut up and skiing. I mean,
2:06:34
Speaker 11: this is the most American thing you can do, is
2:06:37
Speaker 11: like voice your opinion without repercussion from the government.
2:06:40
Speaker 3: Well that's something.
2:06:42
Speaker 2: It's a nuance of our constitution that people have really lost.
2:06:46
Speaker 2: Like everyone loves free speech as long as it's free
2:06:48
Speaker 2: speech they agree with, and when it's free speech that
2:06:51
Speaker 2: they don't like, they're just like, no, that's bad, don't
2:06:54
Speaker 2: put it out there anymore.
2:06:56
Speaker 11: I I you know, I just I don't like I
2:07:01
Speaker 11: I also just don't like have the energy to care
2:07:03
Speaker 11: about things like the halftime show, like like, you.
2:07:08
Speaker 4: Know, bad buddies seem fine. I don't know.
2:07:10
Speaker 11: My daughter loved it. She knew all the songs. We
2:07:13
Speaker 11: had some friends over that knew the songs.
2:07:15
Speaker 4: Good. It was good.
2:07:15
Speaker 11: Visual that the trees being humans was very funny. I know,
2:07:19
Speaker 11: that's afterwards. You know, I'm worried about, like you know,
2:07:24
Speaker 11: placing some bets and eat some food and go to
2:07:26
Speaker 11: the bathroom. I mean, I'm not concerned as much with
2:07:28
Speaker 11: the halftime show, but like people are such hard like
2:07:31
Speaker 11: just really like steadfast opinions. I'm like, what, why, Well,
2:07:35
Speaker 11: it's it's a halftime show. Like the thing about it
2:07:38
Speaker 11: is that people don't seem to really have a hard
2:07:41
Speaker 11: time with the idea that not everything is for them, right,
2:07:44
Speaker 11: Like the super Bowl halftime show is not always going
2:07:47
Speaker 11: to be for you.
2:07:47
Speaker 4: They're gonna be artists who.
2:07:48
Speaker 11: Singing English I don't like, but it's not for me,
2:07:51
Speaker 11: Like it's okay to just say that, like it's not
2:07:53
Speaker 11: for you, And so people have just a hard time
2:07:56
Speaker 11: shout it feels like we're just acknowledging that it's okay
2:07:59
Speaker 11: and everything was for you, right, Yeah, that show was
2:08:02
Speaker 11: clearly for someone. Even if it wasn't for you, it
2:08:05
Speaker 11: was for someone, and just like you can accept that
2:08:08
Speaker 11: and have to be for you all the time.
2:08:10
Speaker 2: Well, for me, I tried to carefully make my statement
2:08:15
Speaker 2: about like I'm not like the politicization, like people trying
2:08:20
Speaker 2: to make that about politics. I refuse to even participate
2:08:24
Speaker 2: in that. For me, it was just like, oh, yeah,
2:08:27
Speaker 2: like this is for a younger audience that listens to
2:08:30
Speaker 2: this music.
2:08:31
Speaker 3: I'm just an old now.
2:08:33
Speaker 2: Like when it was when they did the halftime show
2:08:35
Speaker 2: where it was like jay Z came out and they
2:08:39
Speaker 2: were doing all these like throwback songs and ice Cube
2:08:42
Speaker 2: and all that.
2:08:42
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, this is for me.
2:08:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there were probably a lot of young people
2:08:48
Speaker 2: or people older than me that were like, this is
2:08:49
Speaker 2: not for me. This one was the first one I
2:08:52
Speaker 2: think where I was just like, I don't know any
2:08:54
Speaker 2: of these songs. I have not listened to any of
2:08:55
Speaker 2: these songs. Even if I don't speak perfect Spanish, would
2:09:00
Speaker 2: not these would not be my favorite songs because I
2:09:04
Speaker 2: don't listen to that station on the radio. And like,
2:09:07
Speaker 2: it just made me realize I'm just old.
2:09:10
Speaker 4: Well I don't know if you're old.
2:09:12
Speaker 11: I just think again, Like, it's not the like my
2:09:14
Speaker 11: daughter knows the songs as they aren't like TikTok radio
2:09:16
Speaker 11: like I A. It's not like she knows the you
2:09:18
Speaker 11: know the A lyrics. Oh dad, this is I've heard
2:09:20
Speaker 11: this song. I've heard it. I'm like, you know, no, no,
2:09:22
Speaker 11: I don't know any lyrics. Like so I mean it
2:09:25
Speaker 11: just it just is what it was. Man, And like
2:09:28
Speaker 11: the the back and forth on social media over this,
2:09:32
Speaker 11: to me this week just was embarrassing. It's it's so
2:09:35
Speaker 11: silly that the culture war of the halftime show.
2:09:37
Speaker 4: Come on, guys, what are we doing?
2:09:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, concerts are not the most important thing going on
2:09:44
Speaker 2: in or around our country.
2:09:45
Speaker 4: I promise the.
2:09:47
Speaker 2: Game itself was you know, a little boring if we're
2:09:50
Speaker 2: being honest. The commercials were lackluster. Was this a successful
2:09:57
Speaker 2: super Bowl for the NFL when they look back at
2:10:01
Speaker 2: it in two weeks?
2:10:03
Speaker 11: The only commercial I saw was the Ring Camera one
2:10:06
Speaker 11: where if everyone's gonna like if you say, company sabotine
2:10:08
Speaker 11: themselves more than Ring did.
2:10:12
Speaker 2: Do you see that commercial of where it says you
2:10:15
Speaker 2: can they can like they can like find your dog
2:10:18
Speaker 2: for you or whatever.
2:10:19
Speaker 11: Yeah, So they basically have official recognition software that's easily accessible.
2:10:24
Speaker 2: So they're basically Ring Camera admitting to the entire world
2:10:28
Speaker 2: we're tracking your movements, which.
2:10:30
Speaker 11: I mean, I guess in theory you should have maybe
2:10:33
Speaker 11: already suspected they could do that, right, like does not
2:10:35
Speaker 11: They didn't feel like something that but now they put
2:10:37
Speaker 11: it out there and you're like, ah, all right, Ring well,
2:10:40
Speaker 11: good good luck on that on that.
2:10:41
Speaker 2: Uh.
2:10:42
Speaker 11: I don't want you any commercial the Super Bowl. You
2:10:44
Speaker 11: have good ones, gonna have bad ones.
2:10:46
Speaker 4: Man.
2:10:46
Speaker 11: I thought it was fine, you know, like it was
2:10:49
Speaker 11: to me it felt like one of those games that
2:10:51
Speaker 11: wasn't the defensive game that was good because the defense
2:10:55
Speaker 11: has played well. It wasn't a situation where both quarterbacks
2:10:58
Speaker 11: were so bad that the defense was good, if that
2:11:00
Speaker 11: makes sense, right, Like, we saw high level defensive play
2:11:03
Speaker 11: from really both sides, and so it was to me, yeah,
2:11:07
Speaker 11: the fireworks might not have been there offensively, but it
2:11:10
Speaker 11: wasn't bad because both offenses stunk, right, Like, just it
2:11:14
Speaker 11: was just both deals are really good.
2:11:17
Speaker 2: This is going to be a relatively thin quarterback draft,
2:11:21
Speaker 2: at least at the top.
2:11:22
Speaker 3: So what position is.
2:11:24
Speaker 2: Going to fill in the blanks where like, you know,
2:11:27
Speaker 2: there's an extra four quarterbacks usually.
2:11:29
Speaker 11: The position it feels like a meat potatoes DFT actually
2:11:32
Speaker 11: feels like an off the ball linebacker. There's a lot
2:11:34
Speaker 11: of football linebackers that might be you know, near the
2:11:37
Speaker 11: top of the first round. It's not not a lot
2:11:39
Speaker 11: of first round offensive tackles this year, but there's gould
2:11:43
Speaker 11: be a lot. I think there's gonna be ten to
2:11:44
Speaker 11: twelve to fifteen night draft the first don't have first
2:11:46
Speaker 11: round grades, but it's a mean potatoes draft. Man, defensive linemen, linebackers,
2:11:51
Speaker 11: you know, some material offensive linemen. Running backs feel very
2:11:54
Speaker 11: strong in this class. It feels like that that type
2:11:56
Speaker 11: of year.
2:11:59
Speaker 3: All right, we're fat five minutes past the time.
2:12:01
Speaker 4: Yeah, I gotta go pick up my son. All right, dude,
2:12:06
Speaker 4: bye buddy.
2:12:07
Speaker 3: Thanks Jeff schwartz Man.
2:12:10
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to find reasons to bring Jeff schwartz
2:12:13
Speaker 2: on it. Usually after the super Bowl we give him
2:12:14
Speaker 2: a little bit of a break because it's not Football
2:12:17
Speaker 2: seven anymore. One more week, so we can give us
2:12:19
Speaker 2: a Bob one Bob s letting update. Right, I'll tell them, hey,
2:12:25
Speaker 2: no football questions, just on just Bob slid.
2:12:28
Speaker 5: You can tell us you can expound more on the
2:12:31
Speaker 5: meat and potatoes of this draft.
2:12:34
Speaker 3: All right?
2:12:35
Speaker 2: Are you mad at the Utah Jazz right now? We
2:12:37
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Speaker 2: are we bothered that the Utah Jazz are fourth quarter tanking?
2:13:20
Speaker 2: Is this something that bothers you because they took a
2:13:24
Speaker 2: big swing. They moved some players, they moved some picks.
2:13:28
Speaker 2: They added a defensive minded all star that I think
2:13:35
Speaker 2: makes them a unique front court in the future, not
2:13:38
Speaker 2: this year, but in the future. And as most of
2:13:42
Speaker 2: us know, there's a pick that they need to protect
2:13:46
Speaker 2: and right now they're too good for that pick to
2:13:48
Speaker 2: be guaranteed protected. Now, the way to handle this and
2:13:53
Speaker 2: avoid NBA fines you gotta let your players play. You
2:13:57
Speaker 2: can't sit them out for games. You can't fake them
2:13:59
Speaker 2: in your and illnesses. Darren Peterson, I'm talking to you.
2:14:03
Speaker 2: But you can pull them in the fourth quarter, you
2:14:07
Speaker 2: can pull them in the late third quarter. You can
2:14:09
Speaker 2: substitute in ways that would be otherwise questionable and or
2:14:15
Speaker 2: punishable by firing because you're trying to manipulate results. Now, look,
2:14:23
Speaker 2: Austin Ainge looked me in my face and said, you
2:14:26
Speaker 2: won't see that.
2:14:26
Speaker 9: You see that.
2:14:28
Speaker 2: I'm okay with it, because we're all gonna be really,
2:14:32
Speaker 2: really mad if that Jazz pick goes to OKC Instead.
2:14:36
Speaker 2: We're gonna look at them and we're gonna say, how
2:14:38
Speaker 2: did you let that happen? And if the response has
2:14:41
Speaker 2: to be well, you guys got mad at us for tanking.
2:14:43
Speaker 2: The NBA got mad at us for tanking, so we
2:14:45
Speaker 2: didn't tank. The team is a little bit too good
2:14:47
Speaker 2: to be just as bad as we need them to be.
2:14:50
Speaker 2: So instead, another young championship caliber squad got our pick. Sorry, everybody,
2:14:57
Speaker 2: so protect the pick. Do it by sitting Trip Jay sitting,
2:15:01
Speaker 2: Lowry Marketing sitting, Kante George J. Let's go sit Tray
2:15:06
Speaker 2: J down. He's he's still scored with twenty points in
2:15:10
Speaker 2: the in what three quarters? And now you're gonna have
2:15:13
Speaker 2: to like sit down Bryce sensible. You're gonna have to
2:15:17
Speaker 2: just you're gonna have to add a bunch of like
2:15:19
Speaker 2: two way guys with the tail end the roster. Let
2:15:21
Speaker 2: light green lightspheam, kay Luke. Let's see you're off, bro.
2:15:26
Speaker 2: You're our number one on ball player. No, I want
2:15:31
Speaker 2: you to be ball dominance fee. I'm convinced that's the
2:15:34
Speaker 2: only reason he's still on the roster is to is
2:15:37
Speaker 2: to do this at the end of the day, right
2:15:40
Speaker 2: to achieve the result that you want, you have to
2:15:42
Speaker 2: be bad. And they're national headlines now being written about
2:15:46
Speaker 2: the Utah Jazz.
2:15:47
Speaker 3: They pulled Lowry Marketing in the fourth quarter? What are
2:15:49
Speaker 3: they doing?
2:15:50
Speaker 2: You know exactly what we're doing. You know exactly what
2:15:53
Speaker 2: every other NBA team in this situation is doing.
2:15:56
Speaker 5: When the Jazz, like, I've seen plenty of this, these
2:16:00
Speaker 5: comments on social media, and they're absolutely right.
2:16:04
Speaker 3: The Jazz are not the first.
2:16:06
Speaker 5: Why are we acting like the Jazz are the most
2:16:08
Speaker 5: blatant and the first people to do something like this,
2:16:11
Speaker 5: Like it's it's crazy.
2:16:13
Speaker 3: Okay. See, by the way, did this They.
2:16:16
Speaker 5: Sat al Horford for then for an entire season because
2:16:19
Speaker 5: they were like, yeah, you make us a little too good. Well,
2:16:23
Speaker 5: and that is now punishable by NBA rules. Yeah, I
2:16:27
Speaker 5: think the reason I think it's, uh, the you know,
2:16:29
Speaker 5: out of sight, out of mind thing.
2:16:31
Speaker 2: If a guy is never in the game because he's
2:16:35
Speaker 2: got some made up back problem, it's, for.
2:16:40
Speaker 3: Whatever reason, more palatable for some folks.
2:16:42
Speaker 5: Well, that's what will give you the fine nine straight,
2:16:46
Speaker 5: nine straight games like that for Lowry last year.
2:16:49
Speaker 3: That's what find him doing. This is not against the
2:16:52
Speaker 3: rules at all, and it should not be. But I
2:16:54
Speaker 3: guess when you're.
2:16:56
Speaker 2: You're on nineteen points and nine rebounds and your team
2:16:59
Speaker 2: has an eight point lead, and your coach pulls you
2:17:01
Speaker 2: and sits you down for the fourth quarter.
2:17:03
Speaker 3: Everyone's like, Hey, what the heck, man, why'd they do that?
2:17:06
Speaker 3: I'm not mad. If you are, that's great, that's fine.
2:17:11
Speaker 2: If you feel like your season tickets or your single
2:17:14
Speaker 2: game tickets are not worth it because of seeing this,
2:17:16
Speaker 2: I understand. But this is a competitive move to try
2:17:22
Speaker 2: to make the long term prospects of the Utah Jazz
2:17:25
Speaker 2: significantly better.
2:17:27
Speaker 5: And that's what I have to support for now. Yeah,
2:17:30
Speaker 5: and listen, I'm not I'm not advocating. I'm not saying
2:17:35
Speaker 5: that no one should go to Jazz games when I
2:17:37
Speaker 5: say this, but like, if you're worried about your season ticket,
2:17:41
Speaker 5: about your season tickets not being worth very much or whatever,
2:17:44
Speaker 5: or the tickets you bought to the game, you should
2:17:48
Speaker 5: have known that this was going to be the deal
2:17:50
Speaker 5: before you bought those tickets. I mean that part of
2:17:52
Speaker 5: that's like, if you didn't think that this was going
2:17:55
Speaker 5: to be if you're like, well, this makes it not
2:17:57
Speaker 5: worth it the amount of money I spent, Like, it's
2:17:59
Speaker 5: kind of on you to not realize that this is
2:18:00
Speaker 5: what they're doing this year. I don't I don't care
2:18:03
Speaker 5: what Austin Ainge said in the in the offseason. We
2:18:05
Speaker 5: all we all figured he was lying because we knew
2:18:08
Speaker 5: that they they're gonna have to keep this pick. But yeah,
2:18:11
Speaker 5: I'm not mad at it at all because you can't
2:18:15
Speaker 5: afford to lose this pick. And so many like the
2:18:20
Speaker 5: Toronto Raptors made were the worst. Uh, we're the worst
2:18:25
Speaker 5: ones at doing this exact thing they would play like.
2:18:28
Speaker 5: I was at a Jazz Raptors game last year and
2:18:32
Speaker 5: in the same section is where where I was sitting
2:18:35
Speaker 5: were Raptors media, and I heard them jokingly saying, let's
2:18:41
Speaker 5: take bets on when on when Scottie Barnes gets pulled
2:18:45
Speaker 5: in the fourth quarter.
2:18:46
Speaker 3: Like this is this is what teams do in this situation.
2:18:52
Speaker 2: It is going to help you achieve the goal of
2:18:56
Speaker 2: competing for playoffs sooner than later.
2:18:59
Speaker 3: You were on a traject three where if you.
2:19:03
Speaker 2: If you win too many games this year and you
2:19:05
Speaker 2: lose that pick, not only do you set yourself back,
2:19:09
Speaker 2: but you give one of the best teams, the best team,
2:19:13
Speaker 2: the defending champs in the West. You give them more,
2:19:18
Speaker 2: you make them better. So you just you have to
2:19:21
Speaker 2: do what you have to do. And it sucks and
2:19:24
Speaker 2: it's not fun to have to watch, but hopefully you
2:19:29
Speaker 2: rip that band aid off this season and then it
2:19:31
Speaker 2: gets better moving forward and you have a curling updated.
2:19:35
Speaker 3: I do have a curling update and should have some
2:19:38
Speaker 3: very sad music playing behind me. I'll just say.
2:19:44
Speaker 5: There's a heartbreaking loss for Team USA in the mixed
2:19:46
Speaker 5: doubles gold medal game, the first ever gold medal game
2:19:50
Speaker 5: for Team USA in the mixed in curling mix or
2:19:53
Speaker 5: in mixed doubles curling. Six' Five sweden comes out with the.
2:19:57
Speaker 5: Win first first TEAM usa silver medal. Though so that's that's.
2:20:03
Speaker 5: Awesome what a run by this mixed doubles, Team, uh
2:20:07
Speaker 5: THE Us. Sweden we were up five to four going
2:20:10
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2:20:14
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2:20:18
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2:20:20
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2:20:23
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2:20:27
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2:20:31
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2:20:35
Speaker 5: they would have it would have went into extra and
2:20:39
Speaker 5: it would have went into extra, ends if you. Will
2:20:43
Speaker 5: but they successfully knocked it out of the house and
2:20:48
Speaker 5: came away with the six to five, wins so very
2:20:51
Speaker 5: exciting ending congrats To, sweden but this is gonna take
2:20:55
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Speaker 5: this this heartbreaking loss in the Gold man. Game go
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2:21:14
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2:21:19
Speaker 2: of note happened, today the bronze medal. Game of, Course
2:21:22
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2:21:27
Speaker 3: Nation of.
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Speaker 5: Course they Beat Great britain five to three to earn
2:21:31
Speaker 5: the bronze. Medal and next up in the curling world
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Speaker 5: is The Men's Round, robin the preliminary preliminary round for
2:21:39
Speaker 5: men's curling that Begins, wednesday and at some point we'll
2:21:42
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Speaker 5: game is Tam usa Versus chechia at eleven local.
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Speaker 3: Duncan it Was Tim.
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Speaker 12: because we think he fits perfectly next to.
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Speaker 12: two and then we all Watched Tim duncan lead that
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Speaker 12: like eighteen. Years so all this conversation about and look
2:27:09
Speaker 12: the competitive side and you're a, Competitor, sean the competitive
2:27:12
Speaker 12: side of me believes that the endeavor lacks serious integrity
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Speaker 12: and you are in the wrong business if you're not
2:27:20
Speaker 12: front facing about.
2:27:21
Speaker 10: COMPETING i believe that to be.
2:27:23
Speaker 12: True BUT i Asked jazz, fans would you want your
2:27:27
Speaker 12: team to win twenty nine games this year and then
2:27:30
Speaker 12: have the ninth pick in the draft and then have
2:27:33
Speaker 12: that pick go To, oksee as you were discussing, earlier
2:27:36
Speaker 12: this rebuild is almost to the point where we're ready to.
2:27:39
Speaker 6: Go.
2:27:39
Speaker 12: Okay it has, been by pretty much any, metric the
2:27:43
Speaker 12: worst four year stretch Of jazz, basketball the worst four
2:27:47
Speaker 12: year stretch in fifty plus years Of jazz. Basketball we
2:27:50
Speaker 12: are at the end of, it, okay and there's potential
2:27:53
Speaker 12: that there's one more piece of the puzzle that could
2:27:56
Speaker 12: absolutely be filled in the draft this year if finally
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Speaker 12: we get a little lottery.
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Speaker 10: Luck, now if the lottery, rolls.
2:28:04
Speaker 12: You, know if we're sitting on a couch and the
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Speaker 12: telling you what you already, know took, silver and Then
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Speaker 12: Justin strulloh was able to grab the bronze From. Germany
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Speaker 12: america were not very good at The bathlon unfortunately.
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Speaker 3: Show, indeed The norwegian biathlete Stern a holm lerid look
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Speaker 3: after winning An olympic?
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2:32:13
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2:32:16
Speaker 12: and you're dating options suddenly.
2:32:18
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Speaker 2: has been the worst week of my. LIFE i had
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Speaker 2: a gold medal in my. LIFE i only have eyes for.
2:32:24
Speaker 2: HER i don't know WHAT i want to achieve by saying,
2:32:27
Speaker 2: this but sports have been a different have been in
2:32:30
Speaker 2: a different light in recent.
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Speaker 3: DAYS i WISH i could share it with.
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Speaker 2: norwegian version OF nbc and commit social suicide and be
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Speaker 2: hope that maybe it can make her realize how MUCH
2:32:47
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2:32:48
Speaker 4: Her what a.
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2:32:53
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2:32:56
Speaker 12: anytime anybody sees you On, bumble they're swiping. Left, dude
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Speaker 2: minutes after getting An olympic.
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Speaker 12: Medal, yeah this is the equivalent Of mendoza not talking
2:33:10
Speaker 12: to women as A Heisman trophy. Winner what a, Moron
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Speaker 12: you just won the. Gold give it some, time, man
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Speaker 12: you'll get over. Her it takes a few, weeks but
2:33:17
Speaker 12: you move on from.
2:33:18
Speaker 2: It, also six months he's deeply in. Love, yeah six
2:33:22
Speaker 2: months AGO i met the love of my. Life he
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Speaker 2: was in a relationship with her for three months because
2:33:28
Speaker 2: three months later is when he cheated.
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Speaker 3: On her and they broke.
2:33:30
Speaker 10: Up do you know how old he?
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Speaker 2: Is he must be like nineteen twenty. Eight, okay that's
2:33:34
Speaker 2: too old to have this perspective that love is a real. Thing,
2:33:36
Speaker 2: dude wake, up get over.
2:33:38
Speaker 3: Her that is not the official.
2:33:39
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2:33:45
Speaker 2: Thing get over, her, dude take a couple of, weeks
2:33:48
Speaker 2: work on yourself, right let the energy pass through. You
2:33:52
Speaker 2: you have a gold, medal go back home and just crush,
2:33:55
Speaker 2: it is my. Advice bronze. Medal, well, okay well it's
2:34:00
Speaker 2: a little bit.
2:34:00
Speaker 3: More this is not behavior from a gold. Medalistist, okay
2:34:08
Speaker 3: we get.
2:34:09
Speaker 10: It, yeah that's that's a little more of.
2:34:10
Speaker 3: Show stay tuned for The drive and then tomorrow you
2:34:14
Speaker 3: can tune in to The shoan O'Connell show and we'll
2:34:17
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