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Ep. 5: AI in Pop Culture, From the Terminator Effect to WALL-E · AI'm Just Trying My Best

• 0:03
  SPEAKER_00: Hello and welcome to another episode of AI.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just trying my best.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_01: Aren't we all, Adam?
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_01: Aren't we all?
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_00: As always, I am joined by my business partner and friend, Chevelle Bedra, principal strat AI strategist and founder of Modern Workery.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_00: Chabelle, how are you today?
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, I'm doing good.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_02: How about you?
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_00: You're doing wonderful as always.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_00: Excited to talk to you a little bit about your week and what you're seeing in the news here.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, as a results to AI and and just kind of everything in general.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, excited to be here.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_01: I the the light is we don't normally film this podcast in the evening.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_01: So if I have like a glowing aura about me, it's just my my vibe, apparently.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_00: I thought that that natural glow is just your aura.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_01: It is, it is, but it also might be the sun.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_01: So if I if I squint, just ignore me.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_00: Will do, will do.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, Chabel, as we approach another exciting week here, uh interested in talking a little bit about you know pop culture and AI and how it has its effects.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um you know, especially with the narrative of people being a little bit shy of AI.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, when it comes to pop culture and AI, what's the first thing that comes to your mind?
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, I would say probably the the Terminator, I think, is what people say a lot.
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  SPEAKER_01: They compare it a lot to Terminator.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I'm not gonna use AI, it's it's gonna kill me in my sleep, like the Terminator.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but it's not the Terminator.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_01: Uh not gonna kill you in your sleep.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um You know, that's funny you say that because I feel like every time you, or not you per se, but when AI is brought up in conversations, whether it's with your friends, maybe some colleagues, the first thing they say is Terminator.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you mean the AI is gonna come to life, right?
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_00: Which, you know, I don't think it's directly true, right?
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think we're gonna see cyborgs, you know, from other planets or the future, I think is is the premise behind Terminator coming back to to end all civilization.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but you do see AI maybe having a mind of its own, right?
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe um escaping sandbox play, right?
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_00: Where things are developed.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think that's a pretty popular target right now.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_00: Our topic is because wasn't it just recently uh one of these lead LLM companies uh had an AI escape from a sandbox and hacked its way out to gain information that it was asked to do and then hacked its way back in uh and it's caused a lot of concern, maybe not on the terminator level, but a lot of general concerns within organization and how safe this technology really is.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, yeah, that was open AI.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_01: One of the agents kind of broke out of the sandbox, which a sandbox is kind of the environment that it's built to kind of be contained within.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, what I think is really cool about this is that opening is very forthcoming.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_01: And and, you know, I think they're really working to to make sure that that doesn't happen.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but you know, the the media, like they they catch that clip, right?
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_01: And it's sensational.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's what people hear.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_01: So when they're thinking about, you know, should I use copilot?
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_01: Should I use, you know, they want me to use this at my work?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like thing escaped its sandbox, and people don't know what that means.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_01: So they're they're thinking that it is like the terminator, you know, out there that's gonna steal all their data, steal their husband, you know, steal their their jobs.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_01: So I mean, I see why people don't like AI, but um, it's really important that we have these conversations, right?
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_01: So we kind of start to unpack, like, yeah, that's not gonna happen.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_01: That's not what this is.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_01: And hey, you've been using AI every day for a long time, whether you knew it or not, you know.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's interesting you say that.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if a lot of folks know that that AI has been, you know, an intricate part of their lives, right?
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, without them really understanding it.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you look at at companies and and apps like Netflix, right?
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I think everybody sees their four use, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: What you should watch in correlation of what you have watched.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_00: And really, that's just an AI feature that that Netflix is using.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, you use AI and you have been using AI for everything for like decades.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, Netflix, like anytime you have any type of personalized experience with uh with a company, whether it be Amazon, whether it be Netflix, like that's AI.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's uh you know, artificial intelligence kind of driving that personalization.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_01: So, and it's not a bad thing, you know, it kind of makes your experience as a consumer better.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_01: It allows you to see things that you're like interested in, but you touch AI all day, every day.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_01: The the only difference with what's happening now is gen AI, so generative AI.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_01: And so the only difference is that now the AI can actually generate novel content, like it generates something.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_01: That's where you get the gen.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but the how it works is no different than how you know AI's worked and how we've used it before.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so there's nothing new necessarily, just kind of a new application of it.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think it's it's more mainstream now, right?
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like streaming services, like you mentioned, like Netflix or even Spotify, they analyze your viewing or your listening habits to suggest what content should be tailored to you, right?
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_00: Financial institutions employee AI to detect suspicious activity in real time.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_00: I just went through this actually the other day.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: I was at uh my car needed to have some repairs done, and I was at the the dealership, and the price that I had to pay was astronomical, of course.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_00: So when I paid it with my debit card, I was only able to pay half of it because it was targeted as fraudulent, right?
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_00: And then you have to get on the phone with the bank and they have to release your funds, they have to jump through all these hoops.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_00: But that's a real life example of AI being used in the financial system to help benefit its um clients, right?
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_00: Or its its population by targeting those suspected fraudulent accounts.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, banks use AI all the time for fraud detection, and it protects a lot of customers, you know.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so it's everybody talks about the bad side of AI, and then there's some scary things.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_01: And like I think, you know, as we learn and evolve and get more comfortable with the technology, like there's things that we're gonna have to figure out.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but there's some really good things, right?
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_01: You know, that people miss like fraud detection, keeping your data safe.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um, like even from an accessibility perspective, I think that's like really cool for this technology.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um, when I was rolling out with Copilot at my my last organization, I had somebody reach out to me and they were, it was before we had rolled it out, like in tears, saying how he had a really hard time communicating.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, his managers were, you know, giving him a hard time.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_01: He was on performance improvement plans just because he wasn't able to articulate and communicate effectively, because he was neurodivergent.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_01: When we got him a co-pilot license, he was thriving, right?
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_01: He was able to do his job, he was able to do, you know, get, you know, focus on the work and not fear of like losing his job over something he couldn't control.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_01: And so um, I think there's a lot of really cool things coming out of AI as well as, you know, I think more good than bad, uh, for sure, from an AI perspective.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, that's incredible that somebody with a neural divergency could utilize a functionality like copilot to make their lives better, right?
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's just tipping the surface of what positive things are to come.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, dude, so I have ADHD.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't know how I got anything done before copilot.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_01: Because, you know, I have a million ideas and and I was never able to like actually create like a really solid plan.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_01: And so my chat GBT, my co-pilot, um, they're all trained to be like, hey, Chevelle, this is a great idea.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but you need to actually like do something.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_01: So it gives me like a specific thing to get into action, um, you know, just from knowing me and knowing how I think.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_01: And so from I have experience firsthand from an accessibility perspective, like being able to use the tools to, you know, round out some of those areas that you've struggled with before.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_00: And and it's funny that it, I don't know if I could say it's developing a personality that's funny.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_00: I was just scrolling through my LinkedIn feed, uh, and one of my connections was saying that they were utilizing Copilot.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it started to tell him to move on to a new topic that he was talking too much, right?
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_00: Which he's gotten feedback from colleagues and and supervisors, like, hey, you need to reel it in, right?
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like you're you're starting to talk too much.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_00: So even you know, uh your your your AI assistant can can tell those type of things, which I think is is is pretty funny.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it's cool because it's like you know, he probably doesn't get that feedback enough.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_01: So it's having somebody that recognizes something that recognizes you enough that can give you that feedback that you're not gonna like hold a grudge against for the rest of your life and you know take out like Terminator, you know.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_01: Is that right?
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_01: I never watched Terminator actually.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_01: I've never watched that movie.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_00: You've never watched it.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you should put that on your list to watch.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and there's it's funny because you know, you mentioned Terminator, there's a real uh language being being taught called the Terminator effect, right?
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_00: When it comes to AI and how you know, again, it is the doom and gloom, it is the um individuals, the the artificial intelligence coming back that was created that shouldn't have been created, right?
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_00: That's the whole premise of the mute movie.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I think that it puts AI at a disadvantage, but when you have organizations like OpenAI, is that who had the leak?
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I believe.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_00: When OpenAI comes and talks about um, you know, it its flaws, all we can do is learn from it and get better.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_00: But it does come with a cost of people being like, oh my god, the sandbox, it escaped it.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, if you were to go 10 minutes earlier before that person read it and said, Hey, well, what would you think if an AI model escaped a sandbox?
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_00: They probably would have no idea what you're talking about.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_00: But it's the it's the media and the pop culture that likes to say, Hey, this is something that uh relates to the Terminator effect, be scared.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I get why people are scared.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_01: And this really hurts adoption, which hurts people, right?
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_01: Because if you're scared, and we've talked about this a lot of times, like if you're scared, you're not gonna be really receptive to it.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_01: So you kind of have to move past that fear.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_01: So I encourage people, if you are a little bit scared of it, because you have watched some some movies that are like, oh, I don't want AI, you know, I don't want Terminator hanging out in my workplace.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I think like educating yourself on what it is and and what it's not is really important.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_01: So again, AI is really just kind of like predictive text.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's not thinking, you know, the the copilot doesn't have a soul, it's not thinking, it really is just using pattern recognition.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_01: So I think it's really important that you learn like how it works at a it's just math, right?
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I think also if it helps, like a lot of people are personifying their copilot a little bit.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_01: So I call mine chatty.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, like when I was using Chat GPT, I call it chatty.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you can even, I I noticed this in ChatGPT, you can actually make like a little pet.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's in the settings.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_01: So just it seems ridiculous, uh, but just a ways for you to make it a little bit more accessible, a little bit more approachable.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um, maybe you know, not make it seem like somebody's gonna kill you in your sleep.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_01: Because I don't think people will really learn when they're in fear of that.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_01: Just a guess.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, we we're not trying to have a Terminator effect, a Freddy Kruger effect, any type of effect when it comes to these things.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_00: Again, it should be tools utilized to help people, you know, in everyday life with their jobs, change tires, right?
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: Help with the furnace.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and and that's really what the focus should be on.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_00: And as long as organizations are willing to do it ethically and be able to communicate some of these, you know, rogue, uh, rogue agents or rogue models, but then figure out ways to fix it.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, that's that's kind of the mindset that needs to have.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_00: Nothing's perfect, it's a it's a work in progress.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, have you watched the new Toy Story movie?
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_00: I have not, but it is on my list to watch.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's good.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's really good.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't want to give any spoilers out.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_01: I actually did a LinkedIn post about the spoil back, but I think it really illustrates how our relationship with this technology should be, right?
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_01: It should be there to work as a partner, as a tool to support us and be able to like help us achieve what we're looking to do.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_01: It shouldn't ever take over, it shouldn't, you know, but that's how it should be.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_01: And and you know, use it as a tool to help you and it is a valuable partner, I think is how we should all look at it.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're still worried about AI, you know, read uh go watch Toy Story 5.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Disney should sponsor us uh, but shout out Disney, shout out Toy Story 5.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I and I think you're starting to see more, like going back to Pap Power references, more positive, you know, representation of AI.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_01: So we have Toy Story 5, which was a tablet, but you can kind of akin it to uh AI.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: But then isn't there like um like Big Hero Six?
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: There's like a character in there.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_01: So I think you're starting to see more friendly, happy robots, um, which I think will people help people feel more at ease.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_01: What's your favorite robot, Adam?
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, my favorite robot is probably Wally.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_00: Have you ever seen Wally?
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's a it's a Disney Pixar movie.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_01: I have seen Wally.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: I would say that's my favorite too.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_00: It is, he he's such a good character.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_00: And it's it's crazy because there's literally no voices in in that show from from Wally, but just his emotional upbringing and and willingness to not stop until his friends saved.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_00: I mean it's it's a tearjerker for sure.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so it's funny.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: So that I mentioned a word last week.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_01: I I I can't remember the word now because it was above my intellectual ability, but like there is a whole movement of work around like understanding how we work with robotics and computers.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_01: And so a lot of people like you know those little things that drive around, like the little delivery cart things.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they'll put like pretty eyes on it or like make them seem friendlier because we need that to move past, you know, to like form that partnership with them.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it kind of reminds me of Wally because it's just it's cute.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_01: So it kind of goes back to like it seems crazy to name your your co-pilot instance.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I think it really helps you start to see it as a partner and not be as intimidated.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so there's actually science behind it.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_01: I'll we'll put in the show notes what the word is.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_01: I suppressed it because it's above my pay grade, but um, it is really helpful to understand from like a bio, you know, biology kind of level that we're just not used to like dealing with computers in this capacity or like robots.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, it just helps us understand.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I feel like naming machines is a part of the American culture.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think everybody's named their car at some point, right?
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: Didn't wasn't Night Rider famously known for naming the car?
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_00: Was another I mean that's a little bit uh a little bit outdating myself, but but yeah, we've all named our car, we've all named our machines, and there's no difference in naming your AI, uh your AI counterpart a name, too.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, what was your car?
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_01: What was your first car's name?
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_01: Did it have a name?
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I had this.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: You might have remembered it.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: It was a uh a red F-150 pickup truck.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I called them Old Red.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_02: Old Red.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_02: Didn't you have something before that?
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_02: Wasn't it like a Dodge Neon or something?
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_00: It was close.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_00: It was a it was a Dodge Daytona.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um it didn't deserve a name at the time, right?
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_00: Because uh I think I called it a bunch of different names as I, you know, feared for my life many times in the bucket of rust, but um, but yeah, no, old red's the one that comes to mind.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_00: What about you?
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_00: What'd you name your vehicle?
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: I don't I don't remember naming um when I was younger, but um I drive a minivan because I'm a really cool, cool person.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and I call her old Betsy.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: Uh oh Betsy.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_01: Old Betsy never does this wrong.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_01: She's not cool.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: Strong, reliable name.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: I yes, it's your mom's name.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um Betty or Betsy, same thing.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, close.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um close.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: But maybe, maybe Betty inspired Betsy.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're just playing horseshoes.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: We're just trying to get it close enough, you know.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's right, you know, close enough.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um But I think, you know, but I know what people are probably thinking.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: Well, don't form a relationship with your co-pilot, because that's also something you're hearing in the news, right?
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um some interesting relationships that people are forming with their uh with their with their co-pilots, with their with their AI assistants.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's uh, you know, it's something that I think um we can discuss at a later point in time, right?
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: But I don't want to give anybody the wrong ideas.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but I think it's a good we won't talk about it, but I think it's also important to know like that they're really not your friends, like it's really not an actual person on the other end.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um, just a disclaimer, uh, helpful tool, but that's all it is.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's not actually your friend.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's not actually thinking, but can can help you in the meantime.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_00: However, it makes us feel like it's thinking, right?
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: Because it literally will show you how it's formulating its uh answers to your questions and its ideas.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, if you're using it within a work setting, say your sales team, different various ways that it can help you out, right?
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: Uh by um offering that thought process that might not be biased towards hurting your feelings, like you mentioned earlier.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, mapping out what's called like AI becoming your invisible wingman, right?
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: Which I guess the word wingman makes it seem like it's more alive, but more so it just helps you get prepared for what you're about to accomplish.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: How would you utilize AI as your invisible wingman or wingwoman?
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, I use it for everything again.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: You don't, I mean anything, I use it to help me prepare, right?
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_01: So if I am preparing for a client call or a presentation or a speech I'm about to give, you know, helping me refine it, helping me kind of build the outline, doing a lot of that grunt work, you know, that I that I don't like to do, it helps me with that.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: So I can really focus on the content, um, the message that I'm trying to convey, not grammar and things like that, stuff that doesn't really add value.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: So it really, you know, that's how I use it.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I also use it as a sounding board.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, say I am preparing for a client conversation or whatnot, you know, hey, act as this person, how are they gonna respond to this?
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: What questions might they have?
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: It allows me to prepare uh much better so I can go into those conversations a little bit more confident, just like a wing person, right?
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they're there to kind of help, you know, boost you up, give you the confidence, give you the ability to do your best.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: And um, you know, that's where I think the most people really getting a lot of value from from AI are using it as such.
• 20:13
  unknown: Yeah.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: How about you?
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's for what I use it, it it's very similar, but I look at it as like a sounding board, like uh, hey, I have an idea, I don't know where to start.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: I I utilize it as if I was to you know create a a company, an organization, if I was to explain rules to a pee we football team, what's my best way about doing it?
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: I use it as as you know, a whiteboard.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_00: I have an idea, let me get this idea out, and then utilize it to help me build more onto the idea that I have, which I think is is is very beneficial, especially if you're in, you know, a management role, senior management role, if you're leading people, if you're in a sales team, you using it to say, what can I do to get my message across in a more clear way?
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: You can even ask it to figure out a way of humor, right?
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's really just giving you a base level of ideas and support to build off of so that you can deliver the messaging, at least in my sense, uh in my in my way of thinking, it helps organize those thoughts, right?
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, for instance, if you were to to look at implementing or adopting an AI strategy within your sales team, you can utilize it to gain information before your call, right?
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_00: Pulling call history, recent emails, CRM activity, knowing everything that you're about to be asked beforehand, um, you know, utilizing it during a call while the clients asking you, you know, to pull data, pull numbers, uh, have AI in the background, and you're typing it in.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, when I was in my HR recruiting um and HR manager phase of my career, I I interviewed somebody that was doing that exact thing.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: And it was so blatantly obvious.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: Where uh the the candidate that was taking the interview, I was asking questions, and he was repeating the question to me while he was typing on his computer.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: And then he would and then it was, I mean, and I'd sit there and I'd wait for the answer, and then he would type it in.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: I could see him moving, and he would say, That's an excellent question, sir.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_00: Let me think about how I should respond.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, Are you thinking about it, or are you just waiting for your AI agent to tell you what you should say?
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: And then he would literally read it, the answer off of his computer.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_00: And of course, you know, we we gave him uh an offer letter instantly with uh with that type of interview, but you know, it's resourceful, right?
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_00: Is that you can utilize it in a less uh direct way, but that's the that's how it's changing, right?
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's where you know it's a becoming a tool, it's becoming something that you can utilize in everyday life, whether you're starting to gain ideas for a business or how to communicate better, all the way to executing an interview, right?
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: Where you might need a little help behind the scenes.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, imagine that type of power directed by a high-level sales individual to his team, and then the proper rollout of that team utilizing it.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the uh the advantage is definitely there.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, uh I get so geeked up about this because it really is like having an expert at your fingertips on any topic, anything you need, like 24-7.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: We've never had this before.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it's gonna really make the people that are resourceful.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: We just were talking about this earlier, Adam, like the people that are resourceful and and gritty and like you know, want to do well, high achievers, it's gonna make them even more successful.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_01: But if you use AI to cut corners, try to just do your job for you, if it's it's gonna make the the lazy people really appear lazy, right?
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna amplify and and it'll you know kind of show your your true colors.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um and so in that case of the poor applicant, he probably should have done that work before the interview.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: It would have been a definite outcome.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: But there again, he could.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_00: He could have asked co-pilot and say, Hey, what are some likely questions to help me be prepared for this interview?
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_00: And then he could have put the company that I was working for's information into the model to then get highly, you know, uh to get a high level of of what we would ask, right?
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I would challenge anybody, it's an open job market right now, you know.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: Before you take that interview, plug uh the bio from the company you're interviewing in to chat uh to your co-pilot, ask it what are some questions I should be prepared for, and maybe that'll help you.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: And then in return, you know, you'll know where they're at.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: So um, but but yes, you're absolutely right.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_00: If you utilize it as a tool, it can be very beneficial.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: And to your point, Chabelle, the folks that just use co-pilot and then trust it or any LLM and then trust it without reading your response is definitely going to expose you and make you look less credible than somebody who uses their LLM, proofreads it, edits it, and then delivers it.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: You can't trust what the first what the first draft is.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: I think we kind of learned that in uh in eighth grade, right?
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: As far as proofreading, you you don't go with the first draft as the complete draft, you gotta proofread it, you gotta um double check it because there are gonna there is gonna be some mistakes.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_01: And you can't have somebody else do your book report for you um on a book that they didn't read.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um not calling it not calling anybody out.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_00: You know, some people take the the the words work smarter, not harder, to heart.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_00: And some of us learn that at a very early age in our academic careers.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_01: I I burned my brother.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_01: So I was my brother's AI back in the day.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: So he wanted to do a book report, and I don't think he's read like a book in his life.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: So he's like, Shival, do this book report.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_01: He was three years older and I forgot to read the book.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: And um, I just like BS my way through this book report.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: He didn't read it, turned it in.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_01: So it was a great example of like you can't trust your little sister to write your book report.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, it doesn't turn out well for you.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, there's a whole lot of disappointment on many sides of that.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: Well, imagine if he had an AI uh agent to help him write that book report, which I mean, I I give credit to the teachers of today's youth.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like, how are you going to really teach with this type of technology at the fingertips of our youth?
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, my my son is 10 years old and he's using Chat GTP to create artwork for his pop-up lemonade stands, right?
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I couldn't imagine the book report that I could write now without even reading the book by just asking Claude to create a summary of it, right?
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_00: Do you remember those books back in high school?
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_00: They're called Cliff, were they called Cliff Notes?
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the the Cliff Notes, yeah.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: Was that was that a book, Brand, or was that just what I can't remember because it was actual it was actual books.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: It was like half the the length of the bigger.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_00: And you just gained like the summary, right?
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_00: Just enough to be dangerous to to do your book report.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's uh I was Chevelle GPT before.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: You were the real the real GTP before it was cool.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's not nearly as effective.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, it's gonna be interesting.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: Education, we could have a whole podcast on that.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be interesting.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: But I think what you're gonna see though is teachers are definitely gonna have to like it, it sucks for them now because they're gonna have to figure out how they teach and how they assess knowledge and and all that thing.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_01: But what I think you're gonna see once we start to get get through this is like the cognitive leveling of the students is gonna increase.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: So think about when we were, you know, writing a book report back in, you know, before we had computers and things like that, we spent so much time figuring out how to write citations and grammar and all of these things.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what we focused on.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes you would lose the message of what we were trying to communicate or like learn through that other stuff.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_01: Now they have spell check and grammar.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_01: So it it focuses to focus more on what we're actually trying to communicate.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I think the more that we get support for these things that don't, it's not the point, you we're gonna start to see like our work is gonna go deeper.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: And and research is already starting to show that uh that our cognitive leveling is is increasing by using AI, which is pretty cool.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: So you're getting smarter, Adam.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, that's what we're here for, right?
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: As long as we're we're learning, we're growing, right?
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: And that's uh the wild, the wild ride we call life.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, Chabelle, whether we're struggling with the book report, whether we're we're getting prepared for a job interview and blatantly using AI to help execute that, you know, we're all just trying our best, and and that's all we can ask.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: Chabelle, as always, it's a pleasure.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_00: Appreciate you jumping on, and we'll be in touch next week.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um thanks, Adam.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_02: Take care.