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The Late Debate | 7 April · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Late Welcome to the Late deb Base. Good evening and
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  Speaker 1: welcome to the program. I'm kayleb Bond with Joe Hildebrand,
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  Speaker 1: who's trying to do the cryptic crossword and Liz Storer.
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  Speaker 1: What's coming up in the show tonight? Karjackings through the
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  Speaker 1: Roof in Victoria will tell you who is responsible for
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  Speaker 1: the majority of them. It may will shock you the
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  Speaker 1: amazing cost, huge cost of taking the queen off the
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  Speaker 1: five dollar note. It costs a lot of money. It
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  Speaker 1: turns out to trash, the monarchy. And the dog that
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  Speaker 1: decided to take on a croc, We'll show you that
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  Speaker 1: on the front of the INNT news. And the former
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  Speaker 1: Queensland Premiere gets himself into a powerlifting competition. We'll show
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  Speaker 1: you how that went a little bit later. Now you know,
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  Speaker 1: if you're a regular viewer of this program or any
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  Speaker 1: other program on which I appear on this network, that
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  Speaker 1: I do not like counsels. I have it in for them.
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  Speaker 1: I have had for a very long time, ever since
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  Speaker 1: I started as a local government reporter in Adelaide about
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  Speaker 1: a decade ago. And with every passing day there is
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  Speaker 1: just yet another reason I think we must be up
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  Speaker 1: to five hundred and fifty seven, two hundred and forty nine,
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  Speaker 1: now why they ought to be abolished? And tonight it
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  Speaker 1: comes in the form of Liverpool Council in Sydney.
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  Speaker 2: Where would you.
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  Speaker 1: Believe they have managed to spend more than three hundred
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars investigating sixty seven complaints made by councilors about
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  Speaker 1: other councilors in just six months. This was in the
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  Speaker 1: Sydney Morning Herald today. They reported that the council urged
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  Speaker 1: the New South Wales Office of Local Government to intervene
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  Speaker 1: after report found staff had received these sixty seven complaints
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  Speaker 1: about councilor's conduct since September, more than a dozen times
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  Speaker 1: the number of complaints in all of twenty twenty three
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  Speaker 1: twenty four. So that means sixty seven complaints in six
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  Speaker 1: months up to March when they received this report, and
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  Speaker 1: five in the financial year before that. I mean, here
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  Speaker 1: do you go from five plaints to sixty seven complaints?
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  Speaker 1: The Sydney Morning Herald suggests this may have something to
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  Speaker 1: do with a stout between the me and Ned Balloon
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  Speaker 1: and his political rival Peter Ristevski. We shall find some
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  Speaker 1: of that detail out in the wash.
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  Speaker 3: I suspect.
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  Speaker 1: But these sixty seven complaints, fourteen of them are currently
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  Speaker 1: under investigation. Fourteen are being reviewed externally. That's code for
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  Speaker 1: we sent them to lawyers. That's what they're paying all
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  Speaker 1: this money for. Twenty three are being looked at internally
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  Speaker 1: and only four of them were not back for having
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  Speaker 1: no basis whatsoever. There is also a public integrity inquiry
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  Speaker 1: coming up into this council in June. They're going to
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  Speaker 1: have public sessions to discuss whether or not this council
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  Speaker 1: has engaged in misconduct after reports that came out last year.
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  Speaker 1: And you'd have to think, Liz, with sixty seven complaints
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  Speaker 1: on the book to the tune of about three hundred
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  Speaker 1: and forty k in legal fees, there's certainly something they
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  Speaker 1: need to be dealing with at this council.
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  Speaker 2: These people aren't fit to serve.
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  Speaker 4: What kind of narcissists do you have to be to
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  Speaker 4: take up this.
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  Speaker 2: Much time of council staff and all.
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  Speaker 4: Their efforts to sort out your petty squabbles amongst each other,
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  Speaker 4: rather than just being grown up adults who are elected
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  Speaker 4: to serve, And that's what you're supposed to be spending
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  Speaker 4: your time looking after. They all run for local government,
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  Speaker 4: being like I just want to make our patch a
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  Speaker 4: wonderful place to live, to grow up, to have a family, etc.
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  Speaker 2: And so on.
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  Speaker 4: And then they get in there and they're so consumed
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  Speaker 4: by their own in house rivalries and bickering and pettiness.
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  Speaker 2: They're chewing through hundreds of thousands.
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  Speaker 4: Of rappayer I was about to say, tax dollars whatever.
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  Speaker 4: They're chewing through all this money, all this time that
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  Speaker 4: that council staff could be spending on running the jolly council.
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  Speaker 2: It's just ridiculous.
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  Speaker 4: Get a life, get a life, your losers grow. You're
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  Speaker 4: elected representatives now, and this isn't what anyone elected you
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  Speaker 4: to do.
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  Speaker 5: It's embarrassing, Joe, It's just amazing. It's just so incredible
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  Speaker 5: to watch. It's like a tiny it's like a mini
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  Speaker 5: sort of Donald Trump's thing happening just right for us
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  Speaker 5: in southwest Sydney. So the background of all this is
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  Speaker 5: you've got this kind of firebrand or not fire brown,
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  Speaker 5: but like colorful local identity if you like, called Ned Manoon.
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  Speaker 5: Who's this little sort of pocket rocket dynamo guy.
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  Speaker 3: He's a liberal.
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  Speaker 5: He's governing an area which by rights should be Labor heartland,
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  Speaker 5: and we're seeing some of these shifts at the federal
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  Speaker 5: election as well, you know, with things like die Lee
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  Speaker 5: coming in in the seat of Fowler right, run by
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  Speaker 5: Frank Carbone as the mayor of Fairfield, pretty similar to
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  Speaker 5: Ned Manoon. I saw Ned last week at the Daily
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  Speaker 5: Telegraphs Western Sydney Forum.
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  Speaker 3: How ain't it?
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  Speaker 5: But you know, he's been accused of a lot of stuff.
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  Speaker 5: He's basically run the council. I think he got in
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  Speaker 5: in twenty sixteen or something, so he's held on to
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  Speaker 5: this thing for dear life, when technically he sort of
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  Speaker 5: should be from the opposite party. And a lot of
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  Speaker 5: these people were former Labour who then go to Liberal,
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  Speaker 5: but I don't.
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  Speaker 3: Think he was anyway, So he's got this. So he's
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  Speaker 3: got this.
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  Speaker 5: Hold on the council and there's this massive kind of
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  Speaker 5: feud with this guy Ristevski, as you say, and Ristevski
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  Speaker 5: has obviously fallen out and then set up this Facebook page.
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  Speaker 6: Accountant this is the Twisters, right, So instead of this
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  Speaker 6: Facebook page, he's called Ned Manoon all sorts of mean things,
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  Speaker 6: including a criminal grab Ned Susan.
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  Speaker 3: The lawso doesn't work.
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  Speaker 5: But again to that, this guy is Deadnoon's former accountant.
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  Speaker 7: Now, if there is anyone you don't want to get offside,
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  Speaker 7: if there's anyone you don't want, I mean my accountant.
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  Speaker 3: But god knows what I do. I can't even add up.
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  Speaker 7: It's your former accountant and is out there going wrong,
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  Speaker 7: bagging away on social media. Is there at the council
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  Speaker 7: yelling at They yelled at each other at gauther of meetings.
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  Speaker 7: It's just bonkers, but I love it. I can't help it.
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  Speaker 1: If anyone knows where the body's are buried. The accountant, right,
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  Speaker 1: he certainly knows. And you know I was my accountant,
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  Speaker 1: can you believe called me up some years ago and said, Caleb,
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  Speaker 1: I've got a couple of horses I think you should
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  Speaker 1: buy into. I mean, when your accountant starts telling you
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  Speaker 1: to buy horses with him, you should probably go and
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  Speaker 1: find another.
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  Speaker 3: By bye bye.
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  Speaker 1: I did buy and look, one of them was all right.
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  Speaker 1: The other one was a dad and we had to
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  Speaker 1: sell him. But there no offense. Peers. I'm not saying
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  Speaker 1: you're a bad account You're a fantastic accountant.
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  Speaker 2: And a good friend as well.
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  Speaker 1: Terrible, but seriously, if they cannot get over this, stuff
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  Speaker 1: and just act like normal adult. How do the rest
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  Speaker 1: of us deal with issues in now know we go
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  Speaker 1: and talk to someone and actually sort it out. And
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  Speaker 1: surely if you are a counselor and you're putting yourself
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  Speaker 1: up as a public representative, you're doing so because you
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  Speaker 1: think you have something to offer. And if we've got
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  Speaker 1: to offer, is spending legal fees on your dispute with
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  Speaker 1: the guy who sits next to you in the meeting.
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  Speaker 5: Another great fun fact about Liverpool or a council by
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  Speaker 5: the way, So they got twenty thousand dollars of money
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  Speaker 5: that was intended for local grants and instead they gave
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  Speaker 5: it to Lebanon in the middle of the conflict between
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  Speaker 5: Israel and Hamas and Hezbela. And then they realized after
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  Speaker 5: they die it they had nothing left in the community
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  Speaker 5: grants program. So they wrote a letter to the state
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  Speaker 5: government asking the state government if they could pay the
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  Speaker 5: twenty thousand dollars that they just given to You've got
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  Speaker 5: getting me absolutely serious, absolutely serious.
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  Speaker 2: Hopefully the rate guys around forever attention.
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  Speaker 4: But they just had their election in September, so you've
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  Speaker 4: got a long wait to get rid of these bad apples.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yesterday we saw the Liberal.
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  Speaker 4: Party ditch Ben Britain, an Australian Army veteran, from running
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  Speaker 4: for the siege of Whitlam in New South Wales.
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  Speaker 2: Why I'm glad you are. They said he has.
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  Speaker 4: Controversial views inconsistent with the party's position.
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  Speaker 2: The most, the one that media has banged.
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  Speaker 4: On about the most is him saying, as a former
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  Speaker 4: army vet himself, I don't think women should be serving
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  Speaker 4: in combat positions.
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  Speaker 8: Here he is, but we've got the best toys, the
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  Speaker 8: best gear, but the personnel is at the worst level
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  Speaker 8: it has ever been. That's the direct result of Defense
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  Speaker 8: Force recruiting, lowering of standards in particularly to allow females
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  Speaker 8: into combat roles. They said they'd never do it, it'd
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  Speaker 8: always be the standard and we would have to pass
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  Speaker 8: the standard. Ever since they said that, they've dropped it
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  Speaker 8: because they want a thirty percent quota of females.
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  Speaker 3: If we're going to.
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  Speaker 8: Fix our defense force, unfortunate, they're going to need to
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  Speaker 8: remove females from combat cause. And that's not an attack
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  Speaker 8: on females that I serve with some of the greatest
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  Speaker 8: females in the Defense Force, tremendous people and I'm very,
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  Speaker 8: very glad to have met them and known them because
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  Speaker 8: they made my life better knowing them.
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  Speaker 2: I ask you, how is this not just common sense?
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  Speaker 4: It was very controversial at the time the change was
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  Speaker 4: made back in twenty thirteen, with many people who still
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  Speaker 4: recognize the vast physical differences between men and women saying hey,
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  Speaker 4: maybe women don't belong on the front lines. And even
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  Speaker 4: as a culture issue, it really changes things when bloats
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  Speaker 4: have to accommodate for the fact that women are present
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  Speaker 4: in these really hard, embattled situations when it was normally
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  Speaker 4: all blokes to account for. So what other controversial views
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  Speaker 4: has been Britain said? I refer to the Guardian article.
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  Speaker 4: Among Britain's other claims express on the prodcasts are Number one,
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  Speaker 4: exposure to pornography leads to gender dysphoria AND's transgender desires. Well,
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  Speaker 4: depending on the type of borne he's talking about, that's
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  Speaker 4: approvable fact, pornography shape's tastes absolutely. Number Two, Labor intentionally
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  Speaker 4: keeps some election trits poor to have a better chance
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  Speaker 4: of winning them. Is that really so outside of the
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  Speaker 4: liberals realm of possibility? Number Three, Australia should look at
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  Speaker 4: the Isle of Man for lessons on introducing a flat
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  Speaker 4: tax rate to attract billionaires.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I love an ideas, guy, I'm.
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  Speaker 4: Still waiting for a firable offense here, Peter Dutton. Number four,
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  Speaker 4: the education system has brainwashed young Australians with Marxist ideology. Well,
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  Speaker 4: hardy a men from me, and I'll wager all of
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  Speaker 4: you at home, which begs the question why was this.
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  Speaker 2: Guy stood down?
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  Speaker 4: I'd love to see a guy like this in Parliament,
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  Speaker 4: but no, Dutton has said just yesterday he's turfed. They've
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  Speaker 4: already replaced him because of these oh soo controversial views.
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  Speaker 4: Pay attention to what the supposed Conservative Party here in
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  Speaker 4: Australia considers controversial.
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  Speaker 2: That's all I can say.
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  Speaker 1: I don't see the issues. A bloke says, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think women belong in combat. I mean, is something wrong
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  Speaker 1: with that? And look, if there is a woman out
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  Speaker 1: there who can meet the standards to get into the military.
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking before they lowered the standards specifically to allow
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  Speaker 1: women in. Go for your life if that's what you
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  Speaker 1: want to do. I'm not here to stop anyone from
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  Speaker 1: joining up to the military, but why would we voluntarily
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  Speaker 1: make it harder potentially for other people in combat. I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking about their fellow defense force personnel. If we have
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  Speaker 1: to pick up slack because you've said, okay, we're going
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  Speaker 1: to lower the threshold so we can allow women in,
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  Speaker 1: so we can tick a box to say where we're
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  Speaker 1: living the Dei lifestyle. I don't see how that's good
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  Speaker 1: for the world or women, to be perfectly frank, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: when Jijingping sends his mob down or anyone else. What,
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  Speaker 1: We're just going to send out any old lackey woman
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  Speaker 1: who wants to go out and fight. I don't see
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  Speaker 1: what's good.
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  Speaker 3: Imagine it would be sending everyone we possibly could.
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  Speaker 1: The thing and this is what should be considered, of course,
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  Speaker 1: is if you lower the standard to allow women. If
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  Speaker 1: conscription ever came back, and there's a possibility if you
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  Speaker 1: were in a war with a country like China and
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  Speaker 1: you need it as many people as possible, there are
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  Speaker 1: a lot of women out there who don't want to
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  Speaker 1: go anywhere near a war who may will have to
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  Speaker 1: do so because we lower the standards and say off
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  Speaker 1: you go.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think we'll be heading for the sort of
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  Speaker 5: war that has conscription anytime ever in the future, you'd
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  Speaker 5: want to hope not that's right, because humans just can't
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  Speaker 5: do what robots can do, and so it doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 5: But like, I'm not particularly outraged by anything this guy said,
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  Speaker 5: and whether you know this is an example of him
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  Speaker 5: whether he should be sacked from a regular position that
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  Speaker 5: he might hold doing whatever he does, you know, outside
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  Speaker 5: of public life. But the fact of the matter is,
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  Speaker 5: as he's becoming very very apparent in this election campaign,
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  Speaker 5: is that these sorts of views are not mainstream, that
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  Speaker 5: most they are.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think so they are.
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  Speaker 1: Don't you think most people want to put.
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  Speaker 2: Women in the world.
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  Speaker 3: Chipper at war? No, I think most.
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  Speaker 5: I think most people would think that women should have
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  Speaker 5: the right to perform all the same duties in our
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  Speaker 5: force physically can't.
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  Speaker 2: So you know the stemiological reality.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I don't think he is.
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  Speaker 5: Actually he's actually saying that he's said that he's the
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  Speaker 5: clip he said that he doesn't like the idea of
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  Speaker 5: sending beautiful women off to.
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  Speaker 2: While he stands simply said why would you want to?
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  Speaker 2: In another part of the podcast, he was like, why.
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  Speaker 4: Would you want to? Women are the backbone of society.
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  Speaker 4: We produce children. Nobody else can do that, Why would
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  Speaker 4: you say, why would you send them off to all?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that's objectionable.
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  Speaker 3: As I don't think it's all.
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  Speaker 2: It's certainly not a fireable offense.
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  Speaker 3: No, But it's not a matter of whether it's fireable.
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  Speaker 5: It's a matter of whether he is the best candidate
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  Speaker 5: to win the hearts and minds of the voters of
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  Speaker 5: the seat of Whitlam, which is currently held by Labor
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  Speaker 5: by over sixty percent, and that's after a swing against it.
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  Speaker 5: So so look, he's not going to win anyway. But
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  Speaker 5: the problem is for Peter Dutton. And again I don't
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  Speaker 5: know why it takes so long for this to dawn
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  Speaker 5: on him, that these kind of things that are out
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  Speaker 5: there's incredibly unpopular with women. This is why he had
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  Speaker 5: to drop the working from home policy. That's why he
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  Speaker 5: had to drop the I'm going to sack forty one
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  Speaker 5: thousand public servants policy. This comes up in focus groups,
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  Speaker 5: privately and publicly. It's presumably come up finally in the
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  Speaker 5: Liberal Party's own focus groups and research, where it was
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  Speaker 5: found that this is actually such a massive, massive problem
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  Speaker 5: that they've had to take the incredibly humiliating step of
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  Speaker 5: completely publicly reversing their position. And when you have a
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  Speaker 5: candidate like this who says I think women, beautiful women
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  Speaker 5: should be at home being the backbone of society or
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  Speaker 5: having babies or whatever, and not in the front line,
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  Speaker 5: that is that is deadly for done and that is
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  Speaker 5: why they have done well. You might think it's common sense,
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  Speaker 5: but the vast majority of Australians I don't think, I.
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  Speaker 2: Genuinely do believe that at all.
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  Speaker 4: I think the vast majority of Australias, if they're honest
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  Speaker 4: with themselves, like, yes, women cannot do what men can
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  Speaker 4: do on the front lines of combat.
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  Speaker 2: That is inarguable.
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  Speaker 1: It's literally and I'd also argue there are many things
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  Speaker 1: women can do that men can't do, including having children,
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  Speaker 1: though apparently that's not the case these days. The bloke
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  Speaker 1: who has replaced been written as the Liberal candidate for
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  Speaker 1: Nathaniel Smith is a good bloke and he lives locally,
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  Speaker 1: and I think he'll be a good candidate. But I
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  Speaker 1: just don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I just think the point is the very fact that
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  Speaker 4: this is what we call.
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  Speaker 2: The Conservative Party here in Australia.
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  Speaker 4: Turf to guy of reviews like that, I'm like, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Well, i'd never run for you anyway, But.
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  Speaker 4: If I was thinking about it, I would have ditched
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  Speaker 4: that when I read this story, because that is unacceptable.
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  Speaker 4: What a sham of a Conservative Party, what an absolute sham.
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  Speaker 1: While we're talking about Dutton reversing things, we saw a
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  Speaker 1: policy reversal today of course on working from home and
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  Speaker 1: sacking public servants. So of course previously he had said
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  Speaker 1: about working from home that public servants in Canberra ought
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  Speaker 1: to be back in the office. This was Peter Dutton
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  Speaker 1: last month.
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  Speaker 9: I think Australian taxpayers, who are working harder than ever
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  Speaker 9: under this government and barely keeping the head above water,
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  Speaker 9: I think they expect the government and the government employees
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  Speaker 9: to be working as hard as they are, and people
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  Speaker 9: refusing to go back to work in Canberra is not acceptable.
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  Speaker 1: And as recently as the Budget reply speech at the
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  Speaker 1: end of last month, he was saying we need to
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  Speaker 1: gut the public service. We need to get rid of
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  Speaker 1: the forty one thousand extra public servants that the Albanese
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  Speaker 1: government has added to the ledger Well.
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  Speaker 9: Reverse labors increase of forty one thousand camera public servants
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  Speaker 9: because it will save about seven billion dollars a year.
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  Speaker 9: That's money that we can provide back to the Australian
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  Speaker 9: people in frontline services.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you ain't getting your seven billion dollars anymore because
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  Speaker 1: Peter Dutton has worked enough today and decided we got
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  Speaker 1: it all wrong here. He was speaking in Adelaide this morning.
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  Speaker 9: We got it wrong and we've apologized for it. We
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  Speaker 9: support flexible workplace arrangements and our plan, which was only
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  Speaker 9: ever targeted for the public service in camera labor has
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  Speaker 9: been able to crowd into a scare campaign.
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  Speaker 1: So what's left? I mean, well, we we'll just roll
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: it all back. I suppose next week there will be
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: no policies left whatsoever. Stick to your guns right now.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: The argument here is supposedly that people everywhere thought that
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: this was an attack on working from home and that
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Peter Dutton was somehow going to walk into their private
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: sector offices and drag them home or from home into
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: the office and if you don't do it, you're going
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: to get in big trouble. He can't do that. He's
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: talking specifically about the public service. We're in a position now, Joe,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: where the public service has Peter Dutton so tightly by
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: the grulies that in the middle of an election campaign,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: he would drop a policy that he was talking about
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: ad nauseum for months.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: And again it's just it's just I think it is utterly.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: I've talked to that.
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: Many people on both sides who just literally cannot remember
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: anything like this coming out in the middle of an election.
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: Came I'm so sorry, this centerpiece of our election platform
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: was actually completely wrong.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: We'll never do it again.
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: It's like the saying the fish card wonder where the
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: bad guys hanging John Clice outside the building by I'll
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: never apologize and never pod I'm so sorry I was
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: completely out. And again, this is what happens when you
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: and the left had the same problem as well. And
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: they do it as well, and I've railed against them,
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: but this is what happens when you do not stress
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: test your policies to make sure that the mainstream community
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: is on board and not just your usual sort of
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: cheer leaders. And it's what happens when you don't wargame.
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: What happens when your opponents attack these policies because that
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: is exactly what they're going to do an election, and
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: you say they were just for public servants in Canberra
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: and bureaucats in camera. That's absolutely right, but that was
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: not the narrative that was being pushed. It was being
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: pushed as public servants full stop. And the fact that
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: they were being cast as being lazy kind of skyvers
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: not work for working from home. That implied that anyone
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: else who was working for home was actually just taking
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: the piss and wasn't really working, and that obviously people
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: take that to be an insult. It also suggests that
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: the government when it gets in, if it's not going
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: to allow public servants to work from home, then it
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: might start to make people in the private sector or
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: make rules for people in the private sector or whatever
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: to come back. And the other thing that happened is
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: it got confused with all the growth in public sector
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: employment full stop that has been driving employment growth in
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: the country that everyone's.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Been talking about.
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: That's right, not just bureaucrats in Canberra, but nurses, cops, teachers,
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: aged care workers which are covered federally, soldiers. We're talking
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: about people joining the army and suddenly apparently in the
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: seat of Herbert, which covers Townsville, there were actually military
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: per us now going hang on a minute, am I
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: One of the forty one thousand that he's going to
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: sack am I one of the one of the ones
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: who won't be able to work from home if I want.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: But there's a messaging problem, right, It's like you literally
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: announced this ubut policy that everyone.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: Was supposed to like, yeah.
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: We're cutting the fat, he's doing a doge, go for it, Dutton,
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: and instead you sold it so dismally everyone who works
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: from home or all these people in the public service
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: were like, wait a minute, does that mean I don't
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: have a job if Dutton gets in for crying out loud?
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Libs do better.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: Caleb and I were at the races on Saturday and
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: I tell you what, Hi to everyone who came up
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: and said hello. But the amount of people we had
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: come up to us and say, what the hell are
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: the liberals doing?
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: You call this a campaign?
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: A lot of people think we have a direct line
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: to Dutz It simply ain't.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: So I'm sorry.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: We might be able to haul him out of some
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: of this if that were the case, but unfortunately we don't,
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: and we're like where like deer in a headlight, just
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: being like, well, yeah.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: It's pretty bad. I got to say, well, if we're at.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: A point now where people I don't call it working
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: from home. I call it shirking from home. Get back
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: to the bloody office. We've got people who're sitting around
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: in their pajamas who think they ought to run the
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: thanks to the government.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: You're like a million people.
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: You've started this government your major bed.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: I know, but always people want to sit around in
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: their pajamas at home and this is now the thing
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: that gets dart and to turn around. I do have
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: to ask you, though, Jo, because your best mate Chris
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Mins has this point of view when it comes to
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: the New South Wales public. So should we expect to
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: see him turn around and say I can't possibly do
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: that as well?
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: No, because he did it absolutely expertly. His was a masterclass'
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: so how to actually do it and how to get
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: it back in and he made sure it's communicated through
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: all the department chiefs. He made sure that it happened gradually.
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: He made sure there'll be provisions made for parents who
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: needed to take care of their kids. Again, these are
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: all things that Peter Dutton or his team could have
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: come up within a Harby. I mean this is no brainer. Look,
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: first thing you do say, obviously this does not apply
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: to parents with young children. If you need to take
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: care of your kids, if you need to be able
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: to pick up your kids or drop them off at
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: school or whatever, you have a complete exemption. We're not
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: talking about you anyone juggling work and family. We know
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: what a tough challenge that can be, and we're going
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: to make sure that you still have the flexibility you need.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: It's the other people we're talking talk slower.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: There's some staff like.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Where was that?
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: And again, you know all these people, the forty one
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: thousand public servants, who were they there?
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: It's just the thing I find like it's so easy
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: to say, we'll cull them by natural attrition when people
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: leave the public service, we just won't re employ bureaucrats.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: You can naturally dwindle the numbers over time.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Which is what they've said now.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: But before then it was that they were going to
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: go through like ol chainsaw done lap with a you know,
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: just mow them all down. And again it was just
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: just bad politics. But anyway, I can't be in charge
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: of everything. Although on the other and how good is he?
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: All agree? Yeah?
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: Well, I will I will say is elbow is so
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: confident as a result of the the events of the
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: last few days that he has done the once unthinkable. Yes,
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: he has pulled just Into Alan out of witness protection
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: and wheeled her around town for a.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: Rare public sighting this.
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: If you want to know what confidence looks like, ladies
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: and gentleman, it's this.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: The ning a responsible I'm a responsible budget. If I'm
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: responsible for my budget, I'm happy to answer questions about
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: my budget.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: The Premier is right here.
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: If you want to ask her a question about Victoria,
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: I'm happy for her to do that.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: So there you go. We thought we'd never see her again,
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: but proof.
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: Of life just Into Alan is still with us. It'd
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: be better to him is holding a copy of today's newspaper,
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: just so we're absolutely sure. But again, I think you
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: know the PM is nothing if not a loyal friend.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Well well, obscene levels of confidence there from Albersi. Of course,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: you know you have to ask her if she's got
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: a responsible budget going on. I mean you think your
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: labor mate would be able to say yes, of course,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: I fully back my hes not someone who's popularity.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Why not.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Exactly, But this is exactly the point. This will be
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: the only time we see Anthony Albersi with Justiner Allen
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: this whole election campaign. He had to do it once, right,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: because if he didn't do it at all, there'd be
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: all these questions about why didn't he scare next to
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: to Cinder Allen. So we had to do it at
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: least once to get it, to get it out of
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: the way. But I'm not sure it really helps the matter,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: because if I am right and we don't see him
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: next to just Ciner Allen again during this campaign, well
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: we can all ask why do you do like an
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: in and out job. Surely you should have been down
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: in Victoria hanging out with the premiere more often because
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: she's like led to him, That's why. And he doesn't
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: want to be seen dead with it.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Indeed, it was rumored like is he going to do
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: it at all?
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: Her popularity is a burning dumpster fire in the state
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: of Victoria. So the last thing Alban Easy wants to
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: do is hang out with just Cinta Allan for any
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: amount of time. We doesn't want Victoria voters to be like, oh, these.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Guys are thick as thieves. Their best is no.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: No, we want a distinct point of differentiation between Alban
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: Easy and that particular state premiere so I.
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: But of course he does it just when the coalition
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: is imploding like this, This is you talk about them
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: at the moment.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: This is the death Star exploding at the end of
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Star Wars.
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: And so the one time everyone's eyes are everywhere else
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: and it's all bad news bears for them, that's when
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: he wheels out with Surreans and see, I did it,
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: told you and I blink and he missed it and
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: it's gone. And then every time he gets like calebsid,
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: every time he gets asked for the rest of the campaigns,
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: what are you talking about.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: The she's my best mate? And how funny that it
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: comes on the same day because we're talking about Peter
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Dutton and work from home. And of course Victoria is
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: the state in Melbourne is the city that has struggled
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: the most to get people back in the office after COVID,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: because of course Melbourne was the most lockdown place in
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: the world. That's it for our federal election coverage tonight,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: but there is plenty more to come, and of course
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: right here tomorrow night on Sky News seven thirty pm
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Eastern Time, the debate between Anthony Albnizi and Peter Dutton
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: and then of course plenty more throughout the week. Jim
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Charmers and Angus Taylor facing off for a Treasury debate
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: on Wednesday seven thirty pm as well, and then on Thursday,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: courtesy of the National Press Club, you'll see Chris Bow
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: and Ted O'Brien fire off about energy. While we are
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: talking about Victoria. Carjackings are through the roof down there now.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: You know, we've been talking about crime crises across the
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: country for so long now, and it always used to
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: be about Queensland in particular. Of course, they've still got
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: problems up in Queensland when it comes to youth crime,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: but it's increasingly a problem down in Victoria. The number
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: of carjackings has gone uprom one hundred and forty three
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen to four hundred and thirty nine last year.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: But can you.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Believe that three quarters of all carjackings committed last year
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: in Victoria, seventy five percent of them were done by children.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: And there's also a market increase in aggravated and attempted
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: aggravated carjackings. That's of course, when you get charged. Aggravated
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: means you had a weapon on you or there was
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: some other stenuating circumstance that makes it a worse offense,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: so they go for harsher penalties in court. They've gone
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: up as well, from fifty nine to one hundred and
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: sixty two in the past eight years. What on earth
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: is going on with the kids. I mean, look, we
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: know there's a youth crime crisis, but the fact that
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: this seems to be the go to thing for kids now,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: in particular by a factor of three to one, to
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: go and hijack cars. I mean, I couldn't think of
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: doing such a thing without having to get myself a
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: new pair of underwear. Because the idea that you would
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: go up to someone in a moving car or an
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: unlocked car or whatever it is, open the door, potentially
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: hold them at knife point or gunpoint or whatever, drag
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: them out of the car. So you've got to wrestle
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: with another person in this situation potentially and then steal
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: their car and get out of there. It's not something
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: I could ever see myself doing. And yet there are
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: people in Victoria under the age of eighteen in increasing numbers,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: certainly much more than adults who want to do it.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: Least well, when you look at the bail laws and
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: how they've been operating until now. The Victorian government has
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: made them very squeak queen, very tight now or so
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: we'll soon see. Then why wouldn't they and why wouldn't
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: they just keep on doing it? We don't know how
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: many of that number are just you know, repeat offenders,
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: but I imagine it's actually quite high because to have
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: that number of kids, if it's one per carjacking, that
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: would be utterly mind blowing. I think these guys have
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: done it once, they've done it twice. They're probably not
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: acting alone at all. If you're a kid, you're going
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: to have a friend two or three acting in gangs.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: We've seen that.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: Before, and they're very much emboldened when they're in a group.
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: I've done some research into this and it turns out
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: children aren't meant to be driving cars at all.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, but this is in all seriousness.
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: Firstly, this is what happens when you don't take crime
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: seriously enough. So, oh, it's just nothing, it's just kids
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: being kids, or just fine. Oh, I know, how do
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: you say that it's racist?
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, and giving bail for the fiftieth time.
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: Do you say we've got a crime proble blah blah
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: blah blah, and then of course once it hits that
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: kind of event horizon, you're at the point where you
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: can't actually do anything about it, even because you didn't
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: do anything about it when you could. It is absolutely
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: gangs that are responsible here. This isn't just so we're
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: seeing different types of I'm happening in regional Queens and
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: regional New South Wales has still got a big youth
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: crime problem as well, But the difference between that is
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: in Victoria, it is happening in Melbourne. It is happening
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: in very affluent areas. Often crime and just sort of
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: random street crime and stuff is tied to poorer communities
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: often and places in the bushwere there's not much else
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: to do, so kids turn to they have bad role models,
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: they turn to bad stuff, and this is very much
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: part of coordinated gangs targeting in many ways. You know,
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: really affluent areas as well, and really expensive.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Cars about where insurance prices have gone up the most
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: in Melbourne and it's all the most expensive suburbs bright
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: because they are being targeted by these things.
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: So yeah, so it's not just it's not just a
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: run of the mill kind of kids behaving badly, kids
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: running a mark sort of thing. It's actually a really
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: serious problem, and I think there needs to be honest
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: conversations about how kids in particular communities are being targeted
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: and they're being sort of recruited and being offered.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: All these kind of you know, these lollies.
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: And turning what should be a really great, productive community
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: in very near where I grew up, or well, in
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: the suburb I grew up is one of the biggest
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: popularity and turn them into you know, people who are
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: being demonized because they are being allowed to sort of
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: fester in an afe of crime. And part of the
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: problem with that has been people turning a blind eye
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: to it and pretending that it wasn't happening because they
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: were scared of being you know, the accused of being racist
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: or whatever it is.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: And of course, you know, Victoria increased the age of
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: criminal responsibility to twelve, and they were planning to increase
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: it to fourteen. And I said at the time, what
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: you'll do is create a market for crime gangs to
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: go and tap kids on the shoulder and say, go
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: and do our dirty work for us. Because of course,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: if you can get a thirteen or a twelve year
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: old to go and do something for you, and you
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: know they're not going to be convicted, why wouldn't you
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: do it. I think we may well be seeing some
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: of that.
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: Now in the thirteen so they can already drive and
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: spoken the queens Inn.
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: Now we're a senior lecturer of law at the University
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: of Queensland.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Her name is Danny.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: Linda was so offended when tens of students, she claimed,
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: walked out of one of her lecturers in Foundations of Law.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: I remember it well, when she.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: Was talking about the history of Indigenous legal history and
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: she got so offended by this she then decided to
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: lecture them in a following lecturer in a rather threatening
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: way that some savvy students must have recorded.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Because now we have it and we know what she said.
• 32:33
  Speaker 10: Watch what you say and what you do if you
• 32:36
  Speaker 10: want to do well in your law degree. Because being
• 32:40
  Speaker 10: politically active.
• 32:41
  Speaker 11: In a way, that's what protesting against my inclusion.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: Of Indigenous perspectives and up and leading.
• 32:47
  Speaker 10: And I know not everyone probably had that purpose of
• 32:50
  Speaker 10: getting up and leading in that moment, but there were
• 32:52
  Speaker 10: some that did. I can tell you now if you
• 32:54
  Speaker 10: want to get involved in kind any work while you're
• 32:57
  Speaker 10: doing your law degree.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: You're not going to get hired and.
• 33:00
  Speaker 11: You're not going to last if this is the type
• 33:03
  Speaker 11: of behavior that you're engaging with. There's been barristers that
• 33:06
  Speaker 11: have become aware of this this week that frequently try
• 33:09
  Speaker 11: and engage UQ law students that are ligned.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: We're sick of it, no where, sick of kids being
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: indoctrinated by people like you. Danny props to the kids
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: for walking out. I distinctly remember one of the first
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: two things I learned in Foundations of Law were the
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: Bugby principles and the Fernando principles, at which point I
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: learned that when it comes to every other Australian and
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: Indigenous Australians, we're not equal before the law whatsoever. If
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: you are bought before a court of law in Australia
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: for the exact same crime that an Indigenous person committed,
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: they've got the Bugby principles, they've got the Fernando principles.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: You've got nothing, and you're gonna do a far harder
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: time of.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: It, believe you me.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: So is it any surprise that these kids, I'm assuming
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: they are kids, during their first year of law, just
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: like you know what, We've already had enough of this.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: This woman keeps banging on about her own passion project,
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: her own soapbox, and they decided to get up and
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: walk out on.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: This particular day.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: And here you have a senior lecturer of law threatening
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: them regarding future job prospects.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: How disgusting? How low can you get in skipping lectures?
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Was what I did all the time, madam.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: And you turned out all right, Joe, And you know,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: oh will, I'll remember your faces. You should really consider
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: if you want a job in the law, how you
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: behave You know, sure we expect good behavior of people
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: in the law, though you know, some people in the
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: law don't necessarily display the best behavior. One of my
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: favorite stories was a lawyer who got caught out the
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: front of I think it was the magistrate's court in
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Adelaide with a bag of cocaine falling out of the
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: front pocket of his jacket. So you know, they don't
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: always adhere to the law.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: That's where all the students were going.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: To here precisely because it is utterly ridiculous to say
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: that if you have an issue with me taking over
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: your lecture to carry on about indigenity all the time,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: you're coming to learn law? Well, what do you think
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: they came here for?
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: I found it a little bit since I mean, obviously,
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: if you're going to sign up to a course, you should,
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: you know, listen.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: To it and foundations.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: You can't if you don't like it.
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: If you disagree with it, you can disagree with that
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: in the tutorial room or the seminar room. So I
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: don't think they need to sort of walk out, obviously
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: trying to be a bit provocative and make a point.
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: But having said all that, she says that you know,
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: barristers are aware of what has gone I know barristers
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: who are aware of what is going on?
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: How and who cares? How did they become aware? Like
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: because she told them the bars?
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: So she's going to everyone, you know, if you're going
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: to hire any you know, anyone's got any internships coming up,
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: well don't hire X y Z because I just heard them.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: Is that what's going like? How did they become?
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: That?
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: Is what she is the Only thing more UnAustralian than
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: walking out is snitching.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Good point, very good news story.
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: Just before we go to the ad break, guess what
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: the biggest pedophile.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Ring online uploading well.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: It says ninety one thousand videos with images of child
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: sexual abuse has been sprung. It took thirty eight countries
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: working in cohesion together, Australia being one of them, for
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: this thing to be ripped off the Internet.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: What a win. I wish we saw more of this.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: This platform had a staggering one point eight million users.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of sikos out there, ladies and gentlemen.
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: And authorities were able to identify almost fourteen hundred of
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: the individuals using the platform. I hope they find all
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: ninety one thousand of them and prosecute them to the
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: full extent.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Of the law. My gosh, I would love a job
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: like this.
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: I would bound out of bed every single day hunting
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: it down pedophiles in the europold tweet announcing this when
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: they said ked Flicks, one of the largest pedophile platforms
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: in the world, has been shut down in an international
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: operation against child sexual exploitation. Europol has supported authorities from
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: thirty eight countries worldwide in shutting down the platform.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Just this kind of.
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: News makes my heart seeing and we need to see
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: a lot.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: More of it.
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: One wonders how could it exist and grow this big
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: without already being shut down.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Better late than never.
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: But it just goes to show these things are out
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: there and we cannot pour enough resources into getting them
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: shut down.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Of course, and probably someone else will come through and
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: try to fill the vacuum now, so the work never ends.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: And I've got to say a big shout out to
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: the cops who work on these cases. They see some
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: absolutely horrific stuff, but they do it day in, day
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: out to make the world a better place. And without
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: people like them, we would be so much worse off.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: We're going to get into the papers. You'll find out
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: exactly how much a cost to take the queen off
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: five dollar notes. It's a lot more than you'd expect.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: And the dog who took on a croc you'll find
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: out who comes off sick this soon. Welcome back Joe
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: still doing the cryptic crossword by the way.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: One.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Let's just get into the Canberra Times tomorrow, Liz Well.
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: While public servants in Canberra breathing a sigh of relief
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: not having to go back to work, the small businesses
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: in Canberra are not half as happy, counting the cost
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: of office politics. The headline reads, while many public servants.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: We yesterday breathing a sigh of relief as the opposition
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: dumped its plan to force staff back to the office
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: five days a week. For the city's small businesses, the
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: news was not universally welcomed. Grace Zoo, pictured on the
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: front there, owner of the Double Drummer Cafe, and Barren Barton,
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: was among those hooping to see workers back in the office,
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: particularly on Mondays and Fridays.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's these guys that.
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: Really aren't taken into account when they hate these I mean,
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: they would have been so happy thinking, oh, oh my goodness,
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: we're going to have that many people coming back, and
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: specifically in camera, because they would have read the messaging right,
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: specifically in camera, all these public servants back, buy now coffees.
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: This is going to be a massive boon for us,
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: because of course they would have noticed more than anybody
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: how many people are working from home now in the
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: camera public service right, And.
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: They would have been so miserable and depressed to be
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: going back to the office that they would have bought
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: more coffee and booze than ever before.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: I had to they had this explosion. But and this
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: is the great trouble now about trying to get people
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: back into the office, and you will know that I
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: think people should be back in the office. But there's
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: two questions. One is how do we sustain CBD's long
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: term without people being back in the office full time,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: because of course they seem to now be turning into
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: less of workplaces and more into entertainment hubs, but that's
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: mostly on the week end. You look at Melbourne for instance,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: the number of people going into Melbourne on the weekend
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: is higher than it was before COVID, but the people
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: going in during the week is lower than it was
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: before COVID because they're all at home during the week
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: and then they're like, we've got to get out of
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: the house, so they all go to the city on
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: the weekend. So that's fine, but can you sustain a
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: cafe on essentially two days of solid trade? And then
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: the other discussion you've got to have is with all
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: the suburban cafes and restaurants, et cetera, because they've had
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: a massive uptick in their custom because of course people
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: are at home during the weekend, they go and buy
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: their coffee there instead of the cafe in the city,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: so then they will be squealing that the government's I notice.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: It's so boring. But I'm a boring, boring centrist. That's
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: why you've got to find a middle way. You've got
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: to find flexible work arrangements. No, you can't just not
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: go because you don't feel like it. But if you
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: have to, and you've got a good reason, respect your workers.
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: You let them make decisions. You take me out of
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: my front door in a box.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: LA doesn't. And I'm going to tell you that free.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: Come on up here now.
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: I now the Daily Telegraph, greatest newspaper in the world,
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: and it has a fantastic story by our friend James Willis.
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: So I think you would have seen just earlier on
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: Shari Show a five dollar note. That'll be five hundred
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: and seven thousand dollars. The Reserve Bank has slug tax
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: pays more than half a million dollars to redesign the
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: five dollar note as it prepares to snub Australias monarch
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: in favor of a First Nation inspired artwork. The change,
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: endorsed by treasure Jim Chalmas, has been described by the
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: federal opposition as wasteful and a pet project guided by ideology.
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: There you go, that's inflation for you, isn't it five
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: dollars now suddenly five hundred thousand?
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: What justification is? There is no justification for this. They
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: could have just done a straight swap from the Queen
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: to King Charles and said that's it. But no, no, no,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: we've got to have some first nation bloody thing on it. Look,
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: even if they want to have a first nation designed,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: you know, I'd rather than monarch stayed there. But couldn't
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: you get some kid in a school somewhere to do
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: up a design for you that you could then print
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: on a five dollar open It would cost you nothing.
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: Someone wonders what's included in this over half a meal
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: because they were saying, oh, we've got to do a
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: lot of convening with different indigenous groups. We don't want
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: to upset some make others happy, like this has got
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: to be an overarching everyone in the indigenous community is
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: happy with this type project. So you wonder is that
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: included in the price of this, The consulting, the sit downs,
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: the different different groups, different indigenous artists, basically tenders.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: But is that what this is paying for or is that.
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: All on top of this guaranteed guaranteed guaranteed, guaranteed. And
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: I'll tell you something really interesting if you want to
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: know how these sorts of processes always seem to turn out.
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: You know, a Campbell being a horse designed by a committee.
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: I you're too young to remember this. I'm old enough
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: to remember when the old five dollar note was replaced
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: with a new polymer five dollar note and the portrait
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: of the Queen was chosen to be put on it.
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: And you know who oversaw that process film none other
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: in Australia's leading Republican Paul Keating.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: He was Treasurer at the time.
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: So even though he was already just an ardent sort of,
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: I had a Republican and would go on to to
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: basically just years later lay out the path pathway to
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: Australia becoming a republic. Still, the Queen ended up on
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: the five dollar note, and even then there was just confused,
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: like why how did this happen?
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Like just make up your mind.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: But at least you did the right thing now, of course,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: to one of the big stories of the day on
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: the front of the ODS, the swash says crash test
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: dummy s Anthony Alberinezi is confronting a global recession from
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: a dramatically weaker fiscal position than before the global financial
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: crisis and the COVID pandemics. Millions of Australian workers and
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: self funded retirees have their superannuation saving smashed twenty six
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: days before the election. And then the story next to
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: that says blood bath at as Sex has investors smashed.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Australian shares suffered their biggest one day fall since the
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: pandemic in one hundred and twelve billion dollar blood bath
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: amid fears Donald Trump's tariffs would spark a global economic recession.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Has Donald Trump bitten off a little more than he
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: can chew?
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Nah, this is so intentional.
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: There is a method to this madness, and it's so intentional,
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: and it's so far. I'm not a shares person, I'm
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: a crypto person, and right now everything is on sale
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: like people are buying up crypto like you wouldn't believe.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: So for me personally, this is just incredibly exciting.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: But what's the game?
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: Oh well, far too long for us to get into
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: in the papers. But I do believe this is something
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: that he's doing intentionally. He's flipping the tables in order
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: to correct what we've seen playing out for quite a
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: few years now.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Anyway, I can't. I would not have the time to
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: do that justice.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: And we don't do financial advice, of course, no.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: No, we do not do financial advice.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: On this poem. The int News riper story.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: News Joe, tell us about this dog.
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: I will tell you about it because it's got a
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: crock on the front page. And that means, according to
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: ancient int News folklore, if you if your story gets
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: a crock on the front page, you have to buy
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: the newsroom a slab cart and for everybody got to
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: shout the bar.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: So it's good to see that.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: And of course some newspapers do have a croc on
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: the front page, but in a different way, and none
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: of them were news cool papers.
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: That's right, that's cause this is the real that's called
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: The Guardian. But Thomas McClain be shouting the bar tomorrow.
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: Kroc gets snappy with staffy dog goes toe to toe
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: with reptile foe. A snappy surprise they just love their
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: puns has left an unsuspecting man and his dog bewildered
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: with a small dog. A small crocodile captured well outside
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: of its death Palmersman Darrendown's without walking his dog Nate.
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: When the American stuff he tried to take on what
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: it thought was a regular lizard, only to discover it
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: was in fact a crocodile, but only a freshie star
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: doesn't work out, You just have to buy six.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Pack mistake to make, isn't it? After the break Stephen Masks,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: former Queensland premier, can you believe he's now getting into deadlifting?
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Got himself into a bowerlifting gold A dish will show
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: you how that went shortly now, Look, I thought after
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: the demonstration Peter Dutton gave us over the weekend where
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: he kicked a football and hit a cameraman's camera that
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: knocked his head open, blood gashing out that Pollys might
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: have given up sport by now, but Stephen Miles didn't
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: seem to think that was the right thing to do. Now.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Now the Queensland opposition leader.
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: Has taken off the suit and tie to compete in
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: the state powerlifting championships.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Hidden talent here it is. I was waiting for him
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: to do the thrust part. I'm like, mate, you've only
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: done half of it, Like, where's the rest, where's the
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: hard bit?
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: But hey, props to Steven Miles. He's still beat Kevin
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: Rudd's attempt at chin ups by a mile.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: One don't know the hap.
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: You've got to sympathize with the trainer in the back
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: there being like alp.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: Hell and that trainer was never seen again.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: I don't think they were chinups. They were just nothing
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: ups anyway. Now justice for a Marie Murray. That's the
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: campaign I'm starting on this program here tonight. She got
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: on a Ryan Air flight in the UK, right, and
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: and ryani At CEO Michael O'Leary. I like him because
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: he's a good supporter of jumps racing. But mate, do
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: something about this case with you. She was on the plane.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: She ordered a packet of Pringles, bottle of water and
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: a Coca Cola.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: It came to seven quids. She went to pay with
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: it with her card tap and go, and the machine
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: wouldn't take it. She said, do you want the stuff back?
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: They said no. When the plane landed, she said, I'll
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: go and get some cash for you, because she didn't
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: have any gash on it. And he said, no, you
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: can't pay with cash. We've called the cops because you've
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: stolen them. And didn't pay for them.
• 48:34
  Speaker 12: And sure enough the police came along and took them
• 48:37
  Speaker 12: away and put her and her husband in the back
• 48:40
  Speaker 12: of a van because her card didn't work for seven quid.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, sirs for Anne Marie.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: I mean you expect that sort of thing on Jetstar,
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: but not Ryan.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Well, I know they're one and the same real honestly,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: if someone wants to make it right, if that's what
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: police resources have been used for in the UK, it
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: tells you seven.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: Weird for a pack of Pringles as oh that's a
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: great doors.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Siculous, don'ts it for us?
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: Tonight?
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Up next to the red of Panning the show