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Missing Scientists: Nuclear Worker Skeleton - Missing Bullet Bombshell · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: A missing nuclear lab worker connected to the string of
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Speaker 1: missing and dead scientists found dead in a chilling and
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Speaker 1: eerie forest discovery amidst claims of suicide. There's no bullet.
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Speaker 1: Was she murdered somewhere else? Her body disposed in a
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Speaker 1: remote and disley wooded location. No bullet, no suicide. Good evening,
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Speaker 1: I'mancy Grace. This is crime Stories. I want to thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. Neil McCaslin.
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Speaker 2: He was a linchpinn to a lot of the military's
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Speaker 2: black projects.
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Speaker 3: Basically, they're working on technologies that in theory, we won't
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Speaker 3: see you for another fifty years.
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Speaker 1: Space scientists dead and missing as the death toll actually rises.
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Speaker 4: And so you're actually moving space and time around the craft.
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Speaker 5: Her remains had not seen any kind of scavengering.
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Speaker 1: Joining US tonight an all star panel. But first I'm
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Speaker 1: going to go to John Nance, former supervisory special Agent
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Speaker 1: with the FBI assigned to the Miami and DC Field
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Speaker 1: offs is over twenty years. Mister Nance, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us tonight. And I know you're not a
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Speaker 1: medical examiner, but I'm very fatigued with claims that all
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Speaker 1: of these top security clearance scientists and lab workers all
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Speaker 1: just walk out of their home with no ID, no
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Speaker 1: cell phone. Melissa Casius's cell phone had been factory wiped
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Speaker 1: when her daughter found her cell phone. That they all
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Speaker 1: just walk out and suddenly have an urge to commit suicide.
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Speaker 1: Melissa Cassias gun found near her body. She was completely
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Speaker 1: skeletonized by the time her body has been found. Family
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Speaker 1: says she was not acting unusually in any way. The
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Speaker 1: family says, that's not her gun, that's not our gun.
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Speaker 1: Where did that gun come from? And most disturbing, mister nance,
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Speaker 1: there's no bullet at that scene anyway. It really doesn't
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Speaker 1: take a rocket scientist pardon my pun, to figure out
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Speaker 1: something is way off with this story.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, none of this makes any sense, the theories surrounding
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Speaker 4: while these people are committing suicide, It just doesn't. It
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Speaker 4: just doesn't hold investigative water. There are a lot of
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Speaker 4: unanswered questions, especially in Cassius's case. In fact, her husband
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Speaker 4: said that part of her story was that she was
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Speaker 4: going to return home to get her ideadge, when in
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Speaker 4: fact he saw her with the ID badge in the vehicle,
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Speaker 4: So that makes no sense. And of course, as you've
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Speaker 4: already mentioned, the the cell phones, the smartphones being reset
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Speaker 4: to factory settings. All these things indicate that she she
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Speaker 4: didn't necessarily intend to take her life, but that she
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Speaker 4: could have been in fear for her safety in some
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Speaker 4: form or fashion and maybe was attempting to escape. I mean,
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Speaker 4: that's that's a possibility.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know that juxtaposed against McCaslin, who leaves his
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Speaker 1: home with no ID, without his cell phone, without his
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Speaker 1: smart watch, nothing that would track or identify him, and
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Speaker 1: just disappears. They're just disappearing. And now tonight's question, does
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Speaker 1: the missing lab workers skull reveal a new clue about
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Speaker 1: her death? This as very disturbing. Theories have been raised.
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Speaker 1: John Nance joining us as you just heard, supervisory special
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Speaker 1: agent another issue. Let me go straight out to Jeff Gentry,
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Speaker 1: forensic certified bloodstained pattern Analysis, Senior crime Analyst, death investigator,
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Speaker 1: author of forensic science applications to death and crime scene investigations.
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Speaker 1: And you can find Jeff Gentry at evidenceover Assumption dot
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Speaker 1: com and Jeff Gentry. It's very important that I stress
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Speaker 1: the name of your website because assumptions don't carry water
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Speaker 1: in court, and you know what else doesn't carry water
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Speaker 1: in court? An unknown, unidentified handgun by the victim's body
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Speaker 1: in a remote area where family thinks she's never been before,
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Speaker 1: and no bullet. If she committed suicide, we would find
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Speaker 1: the bullet either in the skull or nearby. So what
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Speaker 1: she killed elsewhere and brought to this location? What drove
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Speaker 1: her away from her daughter that afternoon? And while Gentry
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Speaker 1: is speaking Control room, There she is with the husband, Gentry,
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Speaker 1: while you're speaking, I want to see the last known
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Speaker 1: image of Melissa Cassillas. There she is, Hey, where are
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Speaker 1: all those things? She's got a backpack with her? Where
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Speaker 1: is all that? Because we haven't heard word one about
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Speaker 1: any of that being found by or around her body?
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Speaker 1: And also interesting, Jeff Gentry, no animal activity. She's been
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Speaker 1: missing a long time, and her body, her skeleton is
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Speaker 1: sitting up, undisturbed, pristine, leaning against a tree. That defies
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Speaker 1: everything I know about a crime scene where a body
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Speaker 1: is found skeletonized, it would have fallen apart by now.
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Speaker 6: Right, Nancy, there are a lot of unanswered questions in
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Speaker 6: this case. It's very puzzling, and as a scientist myself,
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Speaker 6: I have a lot of questions. It's very scary and
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Speaker 6: concerning to think that somebody could just go missing. And
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Speaker 6: when you're doing a suicide investigation, which I've done hundreds
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Speaker 6: of them, and I actually have a book on suicide investigation,
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Speaker 6: you are looking for intent. And if there's no intent
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Speaker 6: that that person intended to harm themselves, then you can't
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Speaker 6: call the case of suicide. You are looking for, you know, lifestyle,
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Speaker 6: changes in behavior, trouble at work.
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Speaker 5: All these factors are.
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Speaker 6: Taken into consideration when you're calling something a suicide. And
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Speaker 6: if you don't have that, you have to look a
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Speaker 6: lot deeper. And when you start digging deeper into this case,
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Speaker 6: it becomes more and more concerning. There's so many elements
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Speaker 6: that are puzzling in this case. You mentioned so many
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Speaker 6: different things, and I want to tackle.
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Speaker 5: All of those. So the first is just the way
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Speaker 5: she was.
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Speaker 6: Found very abnormal in a location that it's abnormal for her.
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Speaker 5: Why would you just walk off.
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Speaker 6: Into nowhere essentially, and why would you harm yourself? What
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Speaker 6: would be the motive there? That's what you're trying to
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Speaker 6: figure out in these cases. And then when you are
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Speaker 6: investigating these cases, you're looking for evidence. How long has
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Speaker 6: that person been there, what was their body position? You
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Speaker 6: mentioned animal activity or insect activity, and that's generally going
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Speaker 6: to be the case in depths, outdoors, insects, animals, they're
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Speaker 6: going to have free access to the body, and if
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Speaker 6: you don't see that, then you start have to answer
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Speaker 6: the question why is that not there when you would
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Speaker 6: typically expect to see this, So then the question of
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Speaker 6: you know, was this person possibly harmed somewhere else and
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Speaker 6: then moved or repositioned. Those are all very relevant questions,
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Speaker 6: but when you have just skeletal remains, it becomes very
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Speaker 6: difficult to answer those questions because on a normal fresh body,
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Speaker 6: you can see evidence of drag marks or injuries, abrasions,
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Speaker 6: different things that you're looking for on a body to
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Speaker 6: suggest that they were moved or harmed and then placed
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Speaker 6: in that position. Put on a skeletal remains case, you
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Speaker 6: don't have all of that, and it would be my
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Speaker 6: guess that if somebody were involved in this case, they
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Speaker 6: would know that. They would know that once you reposition
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Speaker 6: a body, or once you let a body decompose to
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Speaker 6: skeletal remains, then all of that evidence is essentially gone.
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Speaker 6: And if you don't have the evidence, then you're just
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Speaker 6: left making assumptions about a case.
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Speaker 1: But Jeff gentry. Speaking of the bones, I want to
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Speaker 1: talk to you about her skull. If she were shot
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Speaker 1: in the head, as we have been led to believe, again,
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Speaker 1: there is no official cod We don't have a cood.
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Speaker 1: What's the problem? A cat scan? A simple cat scan
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Speaker 1: would reveal the truth the angle of a trajectory path.
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Speaker 1: In other words, if she was shot from the back
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Speaker 1: to the front, then we know that's not a suicide.
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Speaker 1: If she was shot at an up tose angle, such
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Speaker 1: as from the top right of the head down, we
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Speaker 1: know that's not a suicide. There are many ways we
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Speaker 1: can determine from a trajectory path whether a gunshot wound
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Speaker 1: is in fact a suicide or a stab wound in
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Speaker 1: the case of for instance, Ellen Greenberg, ten steps to
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Speaker 1: the back not a suicide. In this case, a simple
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Speaker 1: cat scan would tell me the answer. But guess what,
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Speaker 1: we don't have it. So I want to talk to
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Speaker 1: you about what a trajectory path of a bullet would
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Speaker 1: mean to the skull and what we were just talking about. Oh,
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Speaker 1: your book, your amazing book, Suicide death investigation, A scenario
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Speaker 1: based approach. Wow. Suicide death investigation for death and crime investigators.
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Speaker 1: Very impressive. Gentry, we were talking about the scattering of
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Speaker 1: the bones. I'm using this as an example. It's a
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Speaker 1: disturbing example, but criminal law and murder cases are never pretty.
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Speaker 1: Let me see the bones of let me go with
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Speaker 1: Kelly Anthony, a two year old little girl. This is
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Speaker 1: what happens when a human body is skeletonized. If Melissa
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Speaker 1: Cassius had been sitting up propped against a tree for
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Speaker 1: over a year before she's been found in the Elements,
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Speaker 1: her bones would not be sitting there like a fake
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Speaker 1: skeleton you get at Halloween spirit to decorate your front yard. No,
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Speaker 1: they would have been scattered. They would have fallen apart.
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Speaker 1: The muscle, the skin, the tissue would no longer be
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Speaker 1: holding the bones together in the human form that we
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Speaker 1: would recognize. They would be scattered. Do you agree or disagree,
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Speaker 1: Jeff Gentry, I do agree.
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Speaker 6: I have worked on many skeletal remains cases, bodies that
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Speaker 6: are found out in remote areas, the mountains, desert type areas, waterways,
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Speaker 6: and almost oh is after the point to where the
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Speaker 6: body can be disarticulated or taken apart, you're going to
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Speaker 6: see body parts in different locations. Because even small animals
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Speaker 6: like squirrels, rabbits, foxes, those are all going to start
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Speaker 6: chewing at the body, and once all of that muscle
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Speaker 6: and tissue has gone, those bones can be scattered in
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Speaker 6: different locations. You would expect them to be within close
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Speaker 6: proximity to where the majority of the body is, but
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Speaker 6: you would expect to see some form of scattering some
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Speaker 6: of the smaller bones, some of the smaller, smaller limbs
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Speaker 6: that can be dragged away by small animals. But then
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Speaker 6: you also have to consider larger animals can scatter too,
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Speaker 6: and so you would expect the remains to be a
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Speaker 6: farther distance out. But you would not generally expect to
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Speaker 6: find an entire intact skeleton in a case where a
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Speaker 6: body has been outdoors for a significant period of time.
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Speaker 6: And we're talking about eleven months. That's a long time
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Speaker 6: for animals to have access to a body to potentially
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Speaker 6: scatter remains.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Jeff, you would not find Melissa's skeleton sitting
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Speaker 1: there like a Halloween prop. That's only in the movies.
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Speaker 1: That's not reality. Let me see Kelly again. Kelly's remains,
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Speaker 1: her bones were scattered everywhere. There are over two hundred
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Speaker 1: bones in the human body. If you notice her right
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Speaker 1: foot and her toes were never found. Her digits. Even
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Speaker 1: if there's not animal activity, which is unbelievable in a
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Speaker 1: remote and densely wooded area, the elements themselves, the rain,
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Speaker 1: the wind, the storm would have strown her bones to
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Speaker 1: the extent they would be not sitting up like a
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Speaker 1: prop for one thing, and another thing, what about the
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Speaker 1: gun gentry? Was it rusted out? What condition was it in?
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Speaker 1: I mean this steam a disposal side, not a suicide side.
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Speaker 1: And it is a disposal side. That means this is
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Speaker 1: not a suicide. See where I'm going with this gentry.
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Speaker 5: That's exactly right.
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Speaker 6: And then you also mentioned about the skull and evidence
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Speaker 6: of a projectile's trajectory. That's one of the key things
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Speaker 6: that we always look at in cases of skeletal remains,
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Speaker 6: because even though you have skeletal remains and the soft
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Speaker 6: tissues are gone, the muscles are gone, the organs are gone.
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Speaker 6: So in a typical case, you'd be able to see
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Speaker 6: gunshot wounds, you'd be able to see trajectory, but in
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Speaker 6: skeletal remains it's much more difficult. However, you can through
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Speaker 6: either a CT examination or using a forensic anthropologist you
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Speaker 6: can identify injuries on the bones that you normally can't
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Speaker 6: see in other type cases, and especially that skull is
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Speaker 6: going to be critical because that can in itself just
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Speaker 6: the trajectory of the bullet determine whether this is a
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Speaker 6: suicide versus a homicide. But in this case, we don't
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Speaker 6: even have a bullet hole, which is beyond puzzling, because
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Speaker 6: I need a huge percentage of suicides are a gunshot
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Speaker 6: wind of the head, if somebody's going to use a firearm,
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Speaker 6: And if you don't see that, then you have to
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Speaker 6: start thinking along another path.
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Speaker 5: Why is this not.
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Speaker 6: Your typical that you would see in a death investigation?
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Speaker 6: And then when you start adding all of these different
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Speaker 6: elements that are a typical in your investigation, you really
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Speaker 6: have to start thinking, is this really a suicide or
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Speaker 6: are we looking at something else, maybe like a homicide
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Speaker 6: or something that is completely unexplained. Why is this person
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Speaker 6: out in a remote area, Why do they not have
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Speaker 6: your typical injuries that you would see in a suicide investigation.
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Speaker 1: Jeff Gentry, I really respect you. I do, and I
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Speaker 1: have absorbed and agreed with everything you've just said. Everything
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Speaker 1: you've said except that last part. Maybe a homicide. What
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Speaker 1: if it's not a suicide, but she just hike to
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Speaker 1: the top of a mountain and had a heart attack,
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Speaker 1: she sat down down next to a treat and will
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Speaker 1: yourself to die. There's two choices. There's not an accident, apparently,
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Speaker 1: not a suicide, not natural causes. There's only one possibility.
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Speaker 1: It's homicide. And this is a disposal side. You were
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Speaker 1: mentioning skeletonized bodies. When you are murdered, unless it's a
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Speaker 1: soft tissue injury, such as a manual or ligature strangulation,
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Speaker 1: you're gonna find a bullet. You'll find a bullet either
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Speaker 1: in the body, in a skull or nearby. Here do
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Speaker 1: we know the gun was fired? What condition is the
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Speaker 1: gun in? Is the body sitting intact like a halloween
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Speaker 1: prop as we have been told? And more importantly, does
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Speaker 1: a cat skin a ct reveal the trajectory path? And
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Speaker 1: does the skeleton itself show a gun shot in entry
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Speaker 1: entry and or exit or a nick from a knife
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Speaker 1: of some sort. We've seen that in other cases where
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Speaker 1: the body has been skeletonized. These are serious questions. And
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Speaker 1: why don't we have a c O D cause of death?
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Speaker 1: You know to you Lauren Colin joining us, very well
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Speaker 1: known now investigative reporter. She is the co star of
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Speaker 1: Pop Crime TV, and I would like to point out
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Speaker 1: she was the one, the only one with the backbone
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Speaker 1: in DC a couple of days ago to ask about
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Speaker 1: the missing scientists, because now suddenly all we're hearing about
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Speaker 1: is the UFO dot drop. She asked about the missing scientists.
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Speaker 1: Guess what nobody answered. They acted like they didn't hear her.
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Speaker 1: They heard you, Lauren. But before I get to all that,
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Speaker 1: Lauren Conlin, what more can you tell us about the
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Speaker 1: discovery of Casius's body? What do you know?
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Speaker 7: Well, I've been in touch with the new Mexico State
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Speaker 7: Police and they have been very responsive to me. It
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Speaker 7: is the PIO, the Press Information officer, and she has
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Speaker 7: indicated she is going back and forth with investigators to
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Speaker 7: see if they can disclose what they have because I
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Speaker 7: submitted a Foyer request for the autopsy report and I
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Speaker 7: was denied actually two days ago, and not because you
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Speaker 7: know they couldn't give it to me or wouldn't give
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Speaker 7: it to me, It's because they don't have it completed yet, Nancy,
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Speaker 7: So I, like you, I am waiting for the facts
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Speaker 7: all we know officially right now is that there was
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Speaker 7: not an initial projectile in this skull, as you mentioned.
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Speaker 7: And this photo of Melissa and her daughter, it breaks
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Speaker 7: my heart, Nancy, all of everything you've said, the fact
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Speaker 7: that Melissa took medication with her, her toothbrush with her,
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Speaker 7: that really tells me that she wasn't planning on taking
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Speaker 7: her own life. So I just want answers. I feel
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Speaker 7: for her family.
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Speaker 1: Right her reading glasses and a supply of thyroid medication. Also,
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Speaker 1: we do know New Mexico police let it slip that
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Speaker 1: there was a fracture to the skull. Okay, another nuclear
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Speaker 1: lab worker who worked with mccaslan, let's see him please. Somehow,
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Speaker 1: I'm convinced that McCaslin is in the center of all this.
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Speaker 1: He just walked out of his home, never to be
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Speaker 1: seen again. Even a sweatshirt that we think he may
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Speaker 1: have been wearing that had a US Army on it,
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Speaker 1: the military on it was found discarded by the side
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Speaker 1: of the road. He just walked away, never seen again.
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Speaker 1: He was connected to Cassius, is connected to many of
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Speaker 1: the other scientists, but no one is following up joining
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Speaker 1: me now. In addition to Lauren Jeff Gentry, john Nance,
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Speaker 1: Frank Milburn is with US and Glenn Anne Johnson. Glenn
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Speaker 1: Ann is a former weapons engineer. Let that sink in
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Speaker 1: just for a moment. At the US Department of Defense.
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Speaker 1: She worked in Huntsville. Why do we keep hearing Huntsville?
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Speaker 1: That is where a NASA installation exists, and there is
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Speaker 1: also a very you know to US lay people mysterious
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Speaker 1: lab there as well. She worked at Kirkland Air Force
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Speaker 1: Base in New Mexico, where Michason worked. She worked at
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Speaker 1: the Naval Service War Center. She has worked on multiple
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Speaker 1: high tech military weapons, including dee W lasers nukes for
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Speaker 1: the Navy and Air Force. Glenn Ann, are you tired
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Speaker 1: of hearing about highly, highly influential US scientists and lab
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Speaker 1: workers just walking away and committing suicide like it is?
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Speaker 1: Said Amy Eskridge did after she told Milburn, if I
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Speaker 1: end up dead, I did not commit suicide. Know that now, Casias.
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Speaker 2: So I don't believe any of them committed suicide. And
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Speaker 2: I think we're actually I think the reason that the
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Speaker 2: reporter got crickets in DC is because there's a full
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Speaker 2: investigation ongoing where I think we're kind of at an
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Speaker 2: old fashioned Moscow rules, and in the old days it
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Speaker 2: was an unwritten rule that if you kill one of
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Speaker 2: our people, we kill one of yours, you know, United
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Speaker 2: States in Russia. I think this is ongoing with scientists
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Speaker 2: right now. I think they're being maybe kidnapped and then
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Speaker 2: interrogated and then murdered. And I think they're making some
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Speaker 2: of them look like suicide so that it's more deniable
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Speaker 2: and it won't have a full investigation. But there's so
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Speaker 2: many of them at this point that it's occurred to
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Speaker 2: that it doesn't make any sense. In Amy's case and
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Speaker 2: in my case personally, she was being hit with directed
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Speaker 2: energy weapons and I have been as well. I escalated
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Speaker 2: my case up to the Department of well the Office
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Speaker 2: of Director of National Intelligence, and the Federal Communications Commission
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Speaker 2: because I'm also a non ionizing radiation safety officer in
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Speaker 2: addition to being an engineer. But I found through discovery
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Speaker 2: that I had radiation cataracts that are the hallmark of
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Speaker 2: these weapons use. And I used to be the that
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Speaker 2: and GMD engineer at Huntsville, Alabama, and I think I
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Speaker 2: started getting targeted there for my defense work. I think
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Speaker 2: Neil McCaslin was targeted and had a background and directed
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Speaker 2: energy weapons. His wife said he had brain fog before
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Speaker 2: he left. I think he knew he was being attacked,
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Speaker 2: and unfortunately with some of these different countries and bricks nations,
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Speaker 2: they attack our family as well. For my particular case,
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Speaker 2: my son has had to move in with a different
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Speaker 2: person because he was having nose bleeds, headaches, all these
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Speaker 2: different effects from being attacked by these same weapons. So
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Speaker 2: I think he probably wanted to preserve his wife and
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Speaker 2: try to reverse engineer what happened to him.
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Speaker 1: In addition to Glennane Johnson, who had top security and
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Speaker 1: worked in Huntsville, Frank Meilburn is joining US. Frank former
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Speaker 1: British intelligence officer Amy Escridge very well. He spoke to
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Speaker 1: Amy just hours before her death, where she reiterated the
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Speaker 1: attacks on her suspicions about what was going on. She
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Speaker 1: actually considered other countries or corporate espionage. She was heavily
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Speaker 1: involved in research regarding anti gravity technology as well as
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Speaker 1: directed energy weapons. Dew Frank Milburn, another nuclear lab worker,
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Speaker 1: commits suicide. There's no bullet in the skull. There's a
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Speaker 1: fractured skull. Her phones, two of them work and private
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Speaker 1: wiped clean she went to go visit her daughter. Let's
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Speaker 1: see the shot of Melissa Causius with her daughter. She
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Speaker 1: went to see her daughter that afternoon, brought her daughter
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Speaker 1: a subway sandwich, left as if nothing was wrong. There's
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Speaker 1: no way she would have left that daughter behind, because
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Speaker 1: I can tell you this, Frank, as they progress into
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Speaker 1: their teens, get ready to go to college, they need
24:07
Speaker 1: you more than they did when they were a little
24:08
Speaker 1: bitty baby using a bottle. She would never have left
24:12
Speaker 1: that daughter. So I reject the theory of suicide, just
24:20
Speaker 1: like I rejected with Amy Escridge, who swore vehemently to
24:24
Speaker 1: you she would never commit suicide. There's no bullet in
24:28
Speaker 1: the skull, there's no bullet in the body, there's no
24:30
Speaker 1: bullet on the scene, So where's the bullet? Why is
24:34
Speaker 1: her body propped up like a prop and a Hollywood movie?
24:39
Speaker 1: That defies what I know about skeletonization of bodies a
24:44
Speaker 1: year later in a remote, densely wooded area. That would
24:49
Speaker 1: not happen, yet we're supposed to believe it. Frank.
24:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, I find that particularly bizarre as well, because and
25:00
Speaker 3: of life, certainly, you know, didn't point to her wanting
25:03
Speaker 3: to end her own life. And if the body was
25:07
Speaker 3: staged that way, then why so sloppy? Because the whole
25:10
Speaker 3: point of if it were a staged suicide, then why
25:14
Speaker 3: be so sloppy about it? Because you go to the
25:17
Speaker 3: whole point of having a stage suicide is that you
25:20
Speaker 3: don't have to get rid of the body and it
25:22
Speaker 3: doesn't look like a homicide. So if you have a
25:24
Speaker 3: missing body, or you have a body that's obviously you know,
25:27
Speaker 3: a subject of murder, and that defeats the whole purpose.
25:30
Speaker 3: So if you're going to go to the whole trouble
25:32
Speaker 3: of staging a suicide, why would it be so sloppy?
25:36
Speaker 3: That's the question that I have to ask with regards
25:39
Speaker 3: to Amy Eskridge. The whole yes, I have, you know,
25:43
Speaker 3: major questions about her suicide and the circumstances surrounding it.
25:47
Speaker 3: I find it very questionable. But also what I find
25:51
Speaker 3: even more questionable as well is the extent to which
25:53
Speaker 3: certain people on social media who she accused of corporate
25:57
Speaker 3: espionage and there are three different people a que using
26:00
Speaker 3: these individuals of corporate espionage as well. To aside from
26:04
Speaker 3: Amy Escridge, why the efforts to still paint her as
26:09
Speaker 3: crazy off her medication not a credible scientist when she
26:14
Speaker 3: had made these allegations, Because I find in my experience
26:17
Speaker 3: when people are trying to do smear campaigns and engage
26:21
Speaker 3: in defamation against people, whether they're dead or alive, those
26:24
Speaker 3: are the people who are maybe themselves.
26:25
Speaker 8: Guilty and who have something to hide.
26:27
Speaker 3: Otherwise, why engage a smear campaign of somebody who's been
26:30
Speaker 3: dead for such a relatively long.
26:32
Speaker 9: Period, Amy Eskridge, her case is somewhat of an outlier,
26:38
Speaker 9: but it's worth investigating. I mean, we had Michael Schellenberger
26:42
Speaker 9: come to our hearing back in twenty twenty four, and
26:45
Speaker 9: in his testimony he provided information from a researcher, Frank Milburn,
26:51
Speaker 9: who was a retired UK intelligence official who Amy had
26:54
Speaker 9: reached out to and asked to investigate some of the harassment,
26:58
Speaker 9: some of the weird things that were happening with her,
27:01
Speaker 9: and he determined that she was the victim of a
27:03
Speaker 9: directed energy weapon and that she was likely murdered by
27:06
Speaker 9: US aerospace company.
27:08
Speaker 1: That is representative Eric Barlson from our friends at Fox News.
27:13
Speaker 1: What is a directed energy weapon? What is a directed
27:21
Speaker 1: energy weapon? To Frank Milburn, what is it?
27:27
Speaker 8: Yeah?
27:27
Speaker 3: Well, in this context, when we're talking about amscridge. We're
27:31
Speaker 3: talking about a directed microwave energy weapon perspectively, projection of
27:35
Speaker 3: microwave energy which causes very deleterious effects to the body.
27:40
Speaker 3: In terms of the anomalous health incidents that we've heard about,
27:42
Speaker 3: the so called Herban syndrome, a lot of those have
27:45
Speaker 3: been related to a projection of acoustic energy, which also
27:51
Speaker 3: causes that has deleterious health effects. But directed energy weapons
27:54
Speaker 3: in general, you know, it could be layers as well
27:56
Speaker 3: as any projection of energy and that are used in
27:59
Speaker 3: weapons you also have done. For example, acoustic directed energy
28:03
Speaker 3: weapons can be used in crowd control as well to
28:06
Speaker 3: cause nausea, to cause people to desist from, you know,
28:09
Speaker 3: violent acts or what they're doing. In Amy's case, well
28:12
Speaker 3: documented her and another scientist. You can hear in the
28:15
Speaker 3: background well documented that case where the directed energy weapon
28:19
Speaker 3: against to one of the cases only where it actually
28:23
Speaker 3: melted the aluminium blinds onto the window and you can
28:27
Speaker 3: actually see the outline of her spine, which was particularly disturbing.
28:31
Speaker 3: And in that video you have two scientists who are
28:33
Speaker 3: professionally highly capable of describing exactly what's happening to them
28:37
Speaker 3: in that instance, Amy said that it was effectively a
28:40
Speaker 3: use of a directed energy weapon as a surveillance device
28:44
Speaker 3: to effectively map what she was doing on the keyboard
28:47
Speaker 3: because she had removed the card from her computer because
28:51
Speaker 3: she was working on a highly sensitive proposal for the
28:54
Speaker 3: Department of Homeland Security.
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Speaker 1: Frank, you know directed energy weapons. See when I'm assessing
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Speaker 1: the scene of Melissa Cassias's remains where they were found
29:05
Speaker 1: propped up like a Hollywood prop in a horror movie.
29:09
Speaker 1: I think of bullets. I hear about a skull fracture.
29:11
Speaker 1: I think about blunt object injury. You're talking about directed
29:16
Speaker 1: energy weapon DW. It's an advanced system that damages targets
29:22
Speaker 1: or destroys them using electromagnetic energy like a laser or
29:27
Speaker 1: a microwave, rather than a kinetic projectile. And when I
29:32
Speaker 1: say kinetic projectile, I mean a bullet. Now we know
29:36
Speaker 1: that the Havana syndrome is real. We know that American
29:41
Speaker 1: citizens overseas from the military have suffered from Havana syndrome.
29:47
Speaker 1: How is a DEW directed energy weapon different from Havana
29:51
Speaker 1: syndrome in regular people talk? Please, Frank Milbourn.
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Speaker 3: Effectively, now you can mount these directed energy weapons with
30:00
Speaker 3: the power source, the batteries that power them.
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Speaker 8: You can have them in the back of a van
30:05
Speaker 8: or a larger pickhut.
30:07
Speaker 3: And whether it's an acoustic directed energy weapon or a
30:10
Speaker 3: microwave directed energy weapon, this is possible to have this technology.
30:14
Speaker 8: In fact, it was twenty twenty three or twenty twenty.
30:16
Speaker 3: Four that there was a Russian gru that's Russian military
30:21
Speaker 3: intelligence was actually caught in the United States, and this
30:25
Speaker 3: was mentioned in a congressional hearing in twenty twenty four.
30:28
Speaker 3: He was caught in the United States with this type
30:30
Speaker 3: of equipment in a vehicle, so it's completely portable. You
30:32
Speaker 3: can park it up somewhere, establish somebody's pattern of life,
30:35
Speaker 3: and that he can zap them with either an acoustic
30:38
Speaker 3: or a micro directed energy weapon. And this is a
30:41
Speaker 3: it's a sort of like what you could below the radar,
30:44
Speaker 3: because you can use it slowly over a period of time,
30:46
Speaker 3: depending on the amount of energy that's emitted, so it
30:50
Speaker 3: doesn't have the kind of effect. You're not going into
30:51
Speaker 3: somebody's apartment while they're sleeping and shooting them or doing
30:55
Speaker 3: or bludgeoning them to death, or doing something that's very
30:57
Speaker 3: very like that. This is something that you can do
30:59
Speaker 3: over a period of time.
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Speaker 1: So we have to accept. Frank Milburn and Jeff Gentry
31:05
Speaker 1: and Glennanne Johnson, the public has to accept that there
31:09
Speaker 1: are other methods of injury other than those with which
31:14
Speaker 1: we are familiar, like a bullet, like a blunt object.
31:18
Speaker 1: We know Havana syndrome is documented, first reported in twenty
31:23
Speaker 1: sixteen by the US and Canadian embassy's staff in Havana.
31:30
Speaker 1: Since then, there have been similar incidences affecting diplomats, intelligence officers,
31:35
Speaker 1: military personnel worldwide. Now we're talking about a different technology
31:40
Speaker 1: d e W directed energy weapon. Glenn and Johnson, do
31:48
Speaker 1: you believe that Melissicasius's injuries could have been caused see
31:55
Speaker 1: I'm going with a good old fashioned bullet or blunt
31:57
Speaker 1: object because I understand that. But with your knowledge, Glenn Ann,
32:03
Speaker 1: do you believe she could have succumbed to a DEW.
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Speaker 2: It's possible. I think she was probably. I think she
32:12
Speaker 2: was hit with directed energy weapons to get her to
32:15
Speaker 2: leave her family to protect them. And I think that
32:18
Speaker 2: she was probably interrogated, which may have involved some kinetic
32:22
Speaker 2: attacks to her skull and what have you. But I
32:25
Speaker 2: think that she was lured away from her home by
32:28
Speaker 2: the directed energy weapons.
32:30
Speaker 1: Could a DW cause a skull fracture?
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Speaker 2: Theoretically yes?
32:36
Speaker 1: Okay, I heard the big theoretically right there. So I'm
32:39
Speaker 1: going to go with bullet or blunt object because I
32:42
Speaker 1: know that there was a skull fracture according to in
32:46
Speaker 1: Mexico authorities. Lauren Conlin, there's so much to delve into
32:50
Speaker 1: regarding Melissa Cassius because that was a ruse. She took
32:57
Speaker 1: her husband to work that morning. He was also ellabor
33:01
Speaker 1: Then after she drove him through, the driver in that
33:04
Speaker 1: facility has to show their own badge. You can't show
33:08
Speaker 1: how here's his badge and pull them through. She drops
33:11
Speaker 1: them off that she said, oh, I left my badge
33:13
Speaker 1: at home. She just used her badge, but he wasn't thinking.
33:16
Speaker 1: He goes, okay, so she's going back home to get
33:18
Speaker 1: her badge. That was not true. Then she said she
33:22
Speaker 1: was going to work from home. Well, why go through
33:25
Speaker 1: all that to get your badge to get into your
33:27
Speaker 1: office if you're going to work from home. Then she
33:29
Speaker 1: goes and sees her daughter and then suddenly she disappears. Okay,
33:36
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you first. I want to
33:38
Speaker 1: play you trying to get answers out of DC. Fat chance.
33:42
Speaker 1: Listen to this.
33:43
Speaker 7: Everybody nothing, Robert at nothing on the missing scientist, General McCaslin.
33:48
Speaker 8: Shady old media.
33:50
Speaker 5: You figure it out. Of course there's something going on.
33:52
Speaker 2: Yes, fourteen rabbies, fourteen break through, fourteen US car salesman disappeared.
33:57
Speaker 8: You'd be asking.
33:58
Speaker 1: Question, what was that about the rabbi the preacher in
34:04
Speaker 1: the east cars?
34:05
Speaker 5: You know what.
34:06
Speaker 1: I don't want to knock around in his head, no offense.
34:08
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the facts as we know.
34:10
Speaker 1: Then can we talk about McCaslin. By the way, that's
34:13
Speaker 1: from Lauren Colin for on TikTok and here she is
34:16
Speaker 1: in the flesh. Can we talk about McCasland, because he
34:21
Speaker 1: kicked the whole thing off. I mean, his credentials are incredible.
34:28
Speaker 1: First of all, who is McCasland, Lauren.
34:32
Speaker 7: Well, he is pretty much more credentialed, I would say,
34:36
Speaker 7: than any president we've had in about two decades. But
34:39
Speaker 7: he oversaw eighty percent of the Pentagon's Black Ops project.
34:44
Speaker 7: He was a retired Air Force general. He was stationed
34:48
Speaker 7: at Right Patterson obviously the Air Force Research Lab, and
34:51
Speaker 7: Nancy I had a very successful boyer request fulfilled last
34:56
Speaker 7: week where I was give it by the Bernalio Sheriff's
35:01
Speaker 7: office the last known photo of General McCaslin the day
35:06
Speaker 7: before he went missing, and I was in shock because
35:10
Speaker 7: I am thinking, why am I the one putting this out?
35:14
Speaker 7: Why didn't law enforcement or the FBI put this out?
35:17
Speaker 7: And not only that in the police report. In one
35:20
Speaker 7: of the police reports anyway, they indicate that the FBI
35:24
Speaker 7: did in fact join the investigation on March third, So
35:27
Speaker 7: I've reached out to them as well. But I will
35:30
Speaker 7: say parsing through this and going through all of the
35:33
Speaker 7: bodycam footage, all of the interviews, you learn a lot
35:37
Speaker 7: about General mccaslin's last few months, and it is very heartbreaking.
35:41
Speaker 7: There are certain things that don't add up. But also
35:44
Speaker 7: I do want to point out that friends said that
35:47
Speaker 7: starting in January he wasn't himself. He was actually in
35:50
Speaker 7: the process of looking for a doctor to diagnose whatever
35:54
Speaker 7: he thought that he had.
35:57
Speaker 1: Isn't it true to Dave Matt Crime Stories investigative reporter
36:01
Speaker 1: who has been on the missing scientists and lab workers
36:04
Speaker 1: from the beginning, that McCaslin had multiple senior Pentagon roles.
36:11
Speaker 1: He oversaw nuclear research at Los Alamo's National Lab. He
36:17
Speaker 1: oversaw two of the missing people. Resa, remember she just
36:23
Speaker 1: disappeared in a densely wooded area while hiking dogs couldn't
36:28
Speaker 1: find her, drones couldn't find her, just gone. And Chavez,
36:34
Speaker 1: and he is linked to Cassius, right, I mean, there
36:41
Speaker 1: are connections between all of them, But McAslan, McCasland, who
36:48
Speaker 1: just walked away with no identification on him to me,
36:53
Speaker 1: had connections to so many of the others.
36:56
Speaker 10: Dave mac wine, Lynch pen for the money attached to
37:01
Speaker 10: all the research, Nancy, you got to remember McCaslin was
37:06
Speaker 10: the Air Force Research Laboratory head at right Patterson Air
37:10
Speaker 10: Force Base in Ohio.
37:12
Speaker 1: This is a.
37:12
Speaker 10: Position that he stayed until he retired, and he was
37:16
Speaker 10: dealing with billions, not millions, but billions of dollars in
37:21
Speaker 10: advanced material sciences and future weapons research across the nation
37:25
Speaker 10: and all of our centers that we were investigating. So
37:29
Speaker 10: all the research that was being done, all the funding
37:33
Speaker 10: that came for that research went through mccaslin's hand. That's
37:37
Speaker 10: why he was aware of everybody that was moving around.
37:41
Speaker 10: And he's there in Albuquerque, New Mexico, which is where
37:44
Speaker 10: Kirtland Air Force Base is. That's where he retired after
37:48
Speaker 10: leaving Right Patterson in Ohio. Well, what do we know
37:51
Speaker 10: about these areas? They are huge in the UFO research
37:55
Speaker 10: that has been done, and McCaslin is connected to all
37:59
Speaker 10: of the things.
38:01
Speaker 1: He goes missing in Albuquerque, New Mexico. So does Stephen Garcia,
38:07
Speaker 1: Melissa Casius, New Mexico, Monica jacintha Resa vanishes from La
38:16
Speaker 1: Anthony Chavez, New Mexico. What is a connection of the
38:22
Speaker 1: a f r L. Dave mac the Air Force Research
38:26
Speaker 1: Lab it's based at Right Patterson Air Force Base, and
38:30
Speaker 1: that Right pat studies reportedly extraterrestrial technology. I also noticed
38:39
Speaker 1: that Cassius and Chavez disappear within weeks of each other.
38:46
Speaker 1: What about that, David, It.
38:47
Speaker 10: Is just within weeks, Nancy, Yeah, it's it's shocking how
38:52
Speaker 10: quickly a lot of these happened and the mysterious way
38:56
Speaker 10: that they happen. But going back to what McCasland was
39:01
Speaker 10: over at Right Patterson, it's interesting that Kurtland Air Force
39:06
Speaker 10: Base in Albuquerque and Right Patterson in Ohio, those are
39:10
Speaker 10: the two locations that are well known in the UFO
39:14
Speaker 10: community where research has been conducted. And when you hate
39:18
Speaker 10: to do this because it seems like I'm going crazy,
39:20
Speaker 10: But you know the Roswell incident in forty seven and
39:23
Speaker 10: forty eight, the material allegedly found there was shipped to
39:29
Speaker 10: right Patterson.
39:30
Speaker 1: Are you talking about an alleged extraterrestrial and alien? Is that?
39:36
Speaker 1: Just say it? I don't care. I want to hear
39:38
Speaker 1: what you're saying. Don't dance around the facts, whether they're
39:42
Speaker 1: accepted or not. I still want to hear them, even
39:45
Speaker 1: if I can destroy them on cross exam, I want
39:47
Speaker 1: to hear them. Go ahead.
39:49
Speaker 5: Well.
39:49
Speaker 10: The Roswell incident, Nancy is one of the most famous
39:53
Speaker 10: incidents of all time. Happened in nineteen forty seven outside
39:57
Speaker 10: of Roswell, New Mexico reported multiple UFO craft were found
40:03
Speaker 10: crashed in this remote area by a game guy named
40:06
Speaker 10: Mac Brazil, who was a rancher. He brought some of
40:10
Speaker 10: the material he found in town. He appeared on a
40:13
Speaker 10: radio station and did an interview about what he found,
40:16
Speaker 10: and the next morning, the new or that afternoon rather
40:19
Speaker 10: the local newspaper reported that flying Saucer had been captured
40:25
Speaker 10: on that ranch.
40:27
Speaker 1: Dave Mac, what does any of that have to do
40:30
Speaker 1: your your dredging up ancient history. What does that have
40:34
Speaker 1: to do with mcason or Casillas or Jassin Theresa film
40:41
Speaker 1: Fill me in what's your in one sentence, what's your connector.
40:45
Speaker 10: What was found in Roswell, New Mexico was shipped to
40:48
Speaker 10: write Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio. And that's where
40:52
Speaker 10: McCaslin spent the last years of his career controlling and
40:56
Speaker 10: doling out billions of dollars in research that went to
41:00
Speaker 10: all of the people you just mentioned.
41:05
Speaker 1: The toll is now up to eighteen missing or dead scientists,
41:09
Speaker 1: and I want you to listen to this. You've got
41:14
Speaker 1: Michaslin who just walked away and never seen again, Shaeffer
41:19
Speaker 1: who died in custody on a contested claim. Asin Theresa
41:25
Speaker 1: just seemingly is just beamed up out of a heavily
41:29
Speaker 1: wooded area. She's never seen again. Chevez still missing. Cassias
41:36
Speaker 1: now claims she committed suicide, although no cod has been offered.
41:40
Speaker 1: There's no bullet, which means no suicide. Garcia missing, may
41:45
Speaker 1: Wald no cause of death. Since twenty twenty four, Jason
41:52
Speaker 1: Thomas is found dead in a pond. Michael David Hicks.
41:57
Speaker 1: It was said he died of obesity. Amy Escridge, David Willcox,
42:05
Speaker 1: Joshua le Blank, Matthew Sullivan, top clearance, Ning Lee, renowned
42:14
Speaker 1: scientists walks in front of a car. Ingrid Lane still
42:20
Speaker 1: missing after a boulder attacked her car. But where was
42:25
Speaker 1: her body? Kevin Childress dead on the sofa? Okay, Glenn
42:34
Speaker 1: Ann Johnson, weapons engineer with the US Department of Defense,
42:43
Speaker 1: What do you make of the list I just.
42:46
Speaker 2: Gave you, Well, it's happening. What happened to them is
42:50
Speaker 2: happening to a lot of people with top secret clearance
42:53
Speaker 2: that had nothing to do with UFOs and found foreign
42:57
Speaker 2: malicious code and parts in US systems, especially US Air
43:02
Speaker 2: Force systems. And they changed my medical records to say
43:06
Speaker 2: that I had anxiety, mental depression, things that I've never had,
43:11
Speaker 2: and it was from medical records from Vanderbilt, a place
43:15
Speaker 2: I've never been. So they were setting it up to
43:17
Speaker 2: do the same thing to me. It's happening to my
43:20
Speaker 2: friends that own companies that found code injections from the
43:23
Speaker 2: same locations Huntsville, Alabama and Currentland Air Force Base, New Mexico.
43:27
Speaker 2: So I think that all of these people's connection is
43:31
Speaker 2: that they tried to stop terrorism and counter terrorism from occurring.
43:36
Speaker 2: They blew the whistle on something and there are people,
43:39
Speaker 2: bad actors that murdered them for it, and they made
43:43
Speaker 2: it look like a suicide. That's what I think is happening.
43:46
Speaker 1: Frank Milbourne. So often I've seen in criminal prosecutions and investigations,
43:55
Speaker 1: different jurisdictions do not cooperate, so we don't understand. For instance,
43:59
Speaker 1: one person is killing many people. Here's a great example,
44:04
Speaker 1: Frank DeAngelo, the Golden State killer. Okay, he went from
44:08
Speaker 1: multiple jurisdictions, as did Israel Keys. Nobody connected any of
44:12
Speaker 1: the dots, so they just kept killing. Here, we're not
44:15
Speaker 1: connecting the dots. How can so many scientists just commit
44:19
Speaker 1: suicide even though they say I would never kill myself.
44:23
Speaker 1: If you read that, that's not true. One ends up
44:26
Speaker 1: at the bottom of lake, One ends up propped up
44:29
Speaker 1: against tree like a Hollywood prop. I mean, it just
44:33
Speaker 1: goes on and on. One's dead on a sofa. One
44:36
Speaker 1: dies of obesity, one dies of an ode of bedwetting
44:40
Speaker 1: medication just before they're set to speak to Congress. It's
44:45
Speaker 1: just way in.
44:51
Speaker 3: Well, it's it's stretches credulity and in the case. Specifically,
44:54
Speaker 3: we can talk about you know, Abs Gridge, Aiden Schaeffer
44:57
Speaker 3: Kay both diseased, both accused one of thearticular entity and
45:00
Speaker 3: group of people of corporate espionage and also extremely violent
45:04
Speaker 3: crimes as well these allegations. But there's also a person
45:07
Speaker 3: who's still alive who worked with the same people that
45:09
Speaker 3: Aidan Schafer and Amy Escridge work with, who it's the
45:12
Speaker 3: same allegations. And these are all documented and recorded online
45:15
Speaker 3: and I've provided them to you. So I find it
45:17
Speaker 3: very very strange that somebody would go to such lengths
45:20
Speaker 3: to do hit pieces on Aiden Schafer and Amy Escridge
45:24
Speaker 3: after they're dead, before they're dead, you know, while they're
45:26
Speaker 3: still alive. So why would you do You know, this
45:30
Speaker 3: kind of like a stit shop job effectively, you know,
45:32
Speaker 3: a hit job on people, unless you want to discredit
45:35
Speaker 3: them because you are trying to cover something up yourself.
45:38
Speaker 1: To John Nance joining US, former supervisory special Agent with
45:42
Speaker 1: the FBI, John, what do you think.
45:49
Speaker 4: Well taken in the aggregate, I think it's undeniable. That's
45:53
Speaker 4: something that farious is occurring. And by the way, we
45:55
Speaker 4: haven't really touched on this yet, but there's historical perspective
45:59
Speaker 4: on this as well. In nineteen fifties, a number of
46:02
Speaker 4: scientists associated with the Manhattan Project disappeared died under mysterious circumstances.
46:09
Speaker 4: And then in the eighties you have twenty five scientists
46:12
Speaker 4: technicians associated with Reagan's Star Wars missile defense system that
46:19
Speaker 4: die quote unquote committed suicide under incredibly strange circumstances. In fact,
46:26
Speaker 4: one of the instances, one of the individuals was found
46:30
Speaker 4: in his vehicle with a rope tied around his neck,
46:33
Speaker 4: one end tied to a tree. The vehicle was moved
46:36
Speaker 4: forward and caused that individual to quote unquote strangle to death,
46:41
Speaker 4: which was the alleged mode of suicide. So it doesn't
46:46
Speaker 4: surprise me that we have an FBI investigation, especially with
46:50
Speaker 4: regard to mccaslin's case. Another very interesting to me feature
46:56
Speaker 4: of these cases has to do with Sullivan, who you
47:00
Speaker 4: mentioned earlier, who supposedly committed suicide with bedwetting medication. Well,
47:08
Speaker 4: Sullivan was scheduled to testify before Congress about UAP matters.
47:13
Speaker 4: David Grush just not long ago, i think a week
47:16
Speaker 4: or so ago, said that McCaslin was on the short
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Speaker 4: list to testify before Congress about UAP matters. So all
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Speaker 4: of these connection points, these data points suggest to me
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Speaker 4: that something nefarious is certainly occurring. Now you know, whether
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Speaker 4: Maria was, you know, the victim of directed energy weapons
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Speaker 4: or not. I don't know. I haven't heard anything substantive
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Speaker 4: as to that particular matter. But the way her body
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Speaker 4: was positioned, I agree with your analysis. I think to
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Speaker 4: suggest that that was a suicide as absurd. The fact
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Speaker 4: that that her bones were not scanned suggests to me
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Speaker 4: that the body was placed there. The skull fracture, to
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Speaker 4: me indicates, you know, obviously perhaps some sort of blunt
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Speaker 4: force trauma, so very very mysterious circumstances. I think all
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Speaker 4: of this suggests and warrants detailed investigation from the FBI.
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Speaker 4: And just because you're not hearing about it from the
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Speaker 4: Bureau in particular, doesn't mean it's not occurring. The FBI
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Speaker 4: is notoriously tight lift and for good reason about investigations
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Speaker 4: they're in the middle of conducting.
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Speaker 1: Jeff Gentry forensic certified Bloodstained pattern Analyst, Senior crime scene analyst,
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Speaker 1: death investigator, former toxicology lab analyst, author of forensic science
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Speaker 1: applications to death and crime scene investigations.
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Speaker 10: And more.
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Speaker 6: Jeff Nancy, I've handled thousands of death investigations over the
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Speaker 6: course of my career, and anytime that you have a
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Speaker 6: larger number than normal of a certain type of death,
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Speaker 6: you should be concerned. Most debts are natural causes, and
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Speaker 6: they're pretty straightforward investigations. So you would expect with this
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Speaker 6: number of scientists that have been missing, you would expect
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Speaker 6: that maybe one or two three could be abnormal types
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Speaker 6: of debts like accidents or suicides, but you don't expect
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Speaker 6: the majority of them to be suicides or accidents, or
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Speaker 6: or homicides in these cases. So if you have those
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Speaker 6: abnormally skewed statistics, you really have to take a deeper
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Speaker 6: dive into this. You have to ask, why are these
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Speaker 6: people with brilliant minds ending up essentially crazy at the
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Speaker 6: end of their lives.
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Speaker 5: So that's what I would be looking into.
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Speaker 6: I want to know why this has occurred, why there
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Speaker 6: are abnormal statistics related to these scientists, way outside of
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Speaker 6: what you would normally expect in normal death investigation cases.
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Speaker 1: Lauren Colin, investigative reporter, Lauren, what do you make of
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Speaker 1: this most recent development?
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Speaker 7: None of this makes sense to me at all. Also,
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Speaker 7: general McCaslin. He and his wife, you know, they had
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Speaker 7: discussed his state of mind, but his wife said they
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Speaker 7: never talked about his feelings on suicide. This never would
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Speaker 7: have crossed her mind. She didn't think it would have
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Speaker 7: crossed his mind. So the fact that that's also coming
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Speaker 7: up because General McCaslin did leave with a thirty eight caliber,
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Speaker 7: I mean, it's it's fishy, it's it's suspicious, and it's
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Speaker 7: it's just it's beyond frustrating.
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Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything regarding the
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Speaker 1: missing and dead scientists and lab workers, please dial eight hundred,
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Speaker 1: Call FBI eight hundred, call FBI two two five five
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Speaker 1: three two four. We remember American hero Captain Christopher Guero,
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Speaker 1: New York State Police, died as a result of being
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Speaker 1: a hero in the September eleven attack. Served our country
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Speaker 1: for twenty three years, leaving behind his wife, Gillian, and
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Speaker 1: two daughters, Ella and Maggie. American hero Captain Christopher Guero,
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Speaker 1: Thank you to our guest, but especially to you for
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Speaker 1: being with us tonight. Nancy Gray signing off for tonight,
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Speaker 1: but I'll see you tomorrow night, and until then, good night, friend,