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Speaker 1: ESPN's Jorge Castillo joining us right now. Jorge, thank you
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Speaker 1: for the time. Nice article. Just put out their twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty six MLB trade deadline ideal moves for the Yankees
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Speaker 1: and the Mets. This is a great way to get
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Speaker 1: these two fan bases excited on different ends of the spectrum.
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Speaker 1: So let's start with the Yankees. Can you lay out
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Speaker 1: what your ideal plan was for them, because I think
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Speaker 1: they'd be very excited talking about Yanks fans.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Man, it's the way to get them excited or
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Speaker 2: pissed at you one or the other. You know, it's uh,
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Speaker 2: you know, got fancy to get angry nowadays with you know,
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Speaker 2: all the rumors and stuff, but you know, trying to
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Speaker 2: feed the beast. I mean, at this point of the year,
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Speaker 2: we're just trying to gather as much intel as we can.
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Speaker 2: Obviously you know on the team side, agent side, you know,
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Speaker 2: they want to share what they want to share at
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Speaker 2: this point, right there are moves that are going to
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Speaker 2: happen between now and Monday that are just like out
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Speaker 2: of left field. And then the mead for Connell, the
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Speaker 2: early deal came out of nowhere and that was a
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Speaker 2: huge deal. So based on what I gathered, what I've talked,
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Speaker 2: you know, talking to people. Mason Miller was number one. Again,
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Speaker 2: this is ideal, right, I think that the Yankees looking
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Speaker 2: to upgrade their bullpend. Their pullpen has been one of
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Speaker 2: the best in baseball since June first, the best in
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Speaker 2: baseball by most metrics. You know, you got Fernando Cruz,
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Speaker 2: you got Brent Hedrick, Paul Blackburn as that bridge to
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Speaker 2: David Bednar. Now how do you improve that? I mean,
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Speaker 2: Mason Miller is the best reliever, best closer in baseball
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Speaker 2: and the best closer and I don't know, maybe he's
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Speaker 2: since Marianno Rivera at this point. So I think just
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Speaker 2: getting a guy like that and having Bednard moved to
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Speaker 2: the eighth thinning, then you move all those other guys
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Speaker 2: down and the pecking order makes that bullpen all the more,
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Speaker 2: all the better. And Mason Miller obviously has three years
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Speaker 2: of control after this year. And Brian Cashman one of
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Speaker 2: his things in recent years, he loves acquiring guys at
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Speaker 2: the deadline with control beyond that season. He does not
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Speaker 2: go for rentals often. Met Rosario was the rare one
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Speaker 2: off last year. But if you look at the guys
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Speaker 2: he got last year, Camille the Ball, David Bednard, Jake Byrd,
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Speaker 2: Ryan McMahon, Jose Alberiro. Those guys all had control. Jash
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Speaker 2: Chisham a couple of years ago, Mark Later, Junior a
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Speaker 2: couple of years ago. So he prefers guys to the control,
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Speaker 2: which leads me to number two, a guy who does
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Speaker 2: not have control beyond this year, Ryan Jeffers. And it's
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Speaker 2: very obvious that the Yankees need a catcher. They've had
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Speaker 2: among them and the White Sox I think had the
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Speaker 2: worst production behind the plate offensively. Austin Wells has been
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Speaker 2: a huge disappointment. It started off with him and Jesse Ascara.
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Speaker 2: Now it's been Ali Sanchez behind the plate alongside Wells
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Speaker 2: against lefties and then in your right handed hitting catcher,
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Speaker 2: Ryan Jeffers has made sense forever since the offseason I've
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Speaker 2: been writing it. He makes a ton of sense for them.
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Speaker 2: The Twins say that I want to sell, They're going
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Speaker 2: for it, but Ryan, they can do both. They can
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Speaker 2: trade Ryan Jeffers and add to the bullpen, which has
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Speaker 2: been a huge problem for the Twins this season. Ryan
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Speaker 2: Jeffers has been one of the best catchers when he's
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Speaker 2: been healthy this year, and the Twins have the most
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Speaker 2: run scored in the American League and they haven't had
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Speaker 2: Ryan Jeffers for most of the seasons, so maybe they think, hey,
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Speaker 2: we can trade him and add to the bullpen and
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Speaker 2: then lastly Zach that put dak Netto in. There can
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Speaker 2: be any sort of impact right handed bat. The Yankees
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Speaker 2: are going through it right now, offensively without Aaron Judge obviously,
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Speaker 2: but also without young Carlos Steon and recently Cody Bellinger.
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Speaker 2: It can be a right handed hitting outfielder. It could
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Speaker 2: be a short stop like a zach Netto, who you know,
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Speaker 2: would cost a lot. You guys are just talking about
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Speaker 2: the Angels. Maybe the Angels are more willing to trade
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Speaker 2: controllable guys like a zach Netto, but that price would
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Speaker 2: be steep. But I think the Yankees are looking for
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Speaker 2: another right handed hitting bat beyond the catcher.
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Speaker 3: All right, all right, let's start with this. First of all,
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Speaker 3: Bran Cashman usually doesn't make Hue trades in the middle
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Speaker 3: of the season, So okay, fine, let's say he does.
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Speaker 3: Mason Miller one hundred percent makes sense. But you want
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Speaker 3: to know why Yankee fans are going to be pissed
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Speaker 3: off at you because Anthony Vuolpi and Austin Wells are
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Speaker 3: the future of the Yankees and you have them losing
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Speaker 3: their jobs. So that is why the Yankee fans are
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Speaker 3: going to be pissed off you. Not because these trades
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Speaker 3: all make sense, but because those guys have been the
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Speaker 3: basically the two guys that the Yankees have talked about
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Speaker 3: for years and years being the next Core. Yes, have
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Speaker 3: they performed, no, But at the end of the day,
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Speaker 3: you're trying to get rid of them out of jobs. Hey,
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Speaker 3: So therefore, Yankee fans are gonna hate you for life.
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Speaker 2: And man, I'm sensitive. This is one thing about like
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Speaker 2: being reporting nowadays, and you know this week with the
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Speaker 2: trade rumors and all that You're sensitives are the fact,
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Speaker 2: I know it's a joking matter about both and Wells,
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Speaker 2: but you are sensitive the fact these guys have lives.
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Speaker 2: You know, they have to upend their lives. They have
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Speaker 2: families and stuff, and you're throwing these guys in rumors
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Speaker 2: like they're just like, you know, not people. So that
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Speaker 2: is the top part of the job in my opinion.
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Speaker 2: Maybe I sympathize little too much in that regard, but hey,
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Speaker 2: the Yankees. Wells has been disappointing both He's actually been
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Speaker 2: pretty good in his role against lefties this year, and
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Speaker 2: he's been pretty good defensively since he got you know,
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Speaker 2: since he came up and off the injured lists and
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Speaker 2: from the minors. So maybe the Yankees don't view that
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Speaker 2: as a huge issue right now, but I think it's
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Speaker 2: an area that they could upgreen.
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Speaker 4: How aggressive can the Yankees actually be if they truly
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Speaker 4: believe the imaging that they get or don't get or
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Speaker 4: we don't know what's happening with Judge, if Judge, if
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Speaker 4: they believe on August first, a Judge is not coming back,
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Speaker 4: how do they make a super aggressive move to win
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Speaker 4: the World Series.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's a huge, just a million dollar question
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Speaker 2: right now. Is Aaron Judge coming back? And the Yankees
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Speaker 2: keep saying that they're they're hopeful that he will come back,
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Speaker 2: and if he does come back, this is a window
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Speaker 2: for the Yankees. Garrett Cole is awesome coming back from TJ.
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Speaker 2: I don't remember a guy looking that good that soon
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Speaker 2: coming off TJ. He's he's looking like Garrett Cole right now.
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Speaker 2: And he's in his mid thirties and Aaron Judge is
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Speaker 2: thirty four years old, and if he does come back,
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Speaker 2: how big is this window for the Yankees with this
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Speaker 2: scroup but two feature Hall of famers. I think they
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Speaker 2: have to maximize this window. Now the Yankees will say, hey,
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Speaker 2: our window is always open with the New York Yankees,
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Speaker 2: but it's not very often you have one of the best,
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Speaker 2: you know, I don't know if Garrett Cole at his
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Speaker 2: peak when he's at the top of his game, top five,
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Speaker 2: top teachers, top ten pitchers in baseball, Aaron Judge best
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Speaker 2: hitter in baseball when he's going. So I think you
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Speaker 2: have to be a little aggressive. This is not a
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Speaker 2: typical year in my opinion. You don't know if it's
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Speaker 2: gonna be baseball next year. On top of that, so
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Speaker 2: if there is no baseball next year, Aaron just thirty
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Speaker 2: six years old. On the other side, Garrett Cole is
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Speaker 2: what thirty seven, thirty eight, So I think the Yankees
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Speaker 2: this could be a unique year with the Yankees say hey,
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Speaker 2: let's go for let's really go for it. I mean, now,
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Speaker 2: Brian Cashman made the barred seven guys at the traded
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Speaker 2: one last year. They weren't huge names, but he made them.
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Speaker 2: He really changed that roster, that bullpen, the bench. This year,
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Speaker 2: I think they can go a little bigger. Now. The
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Speaker 2: question is are they willing to trade George Lombard Junior.
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Speaker 2: I don't think they are, which means that maybe Mason
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Speaker 2: Miller doesn't come to the Bronx because if they're not
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Speaker 2: willing to trade George Lombar Junior, I bet you some
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Speaker 2: of the teams out there are willing to trade their
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Speaker 2: top prospects for a guy like that.
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Speaker 3: Well, that leads to that leads to my question is
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Speaker 3: do the Yankees have enough to do all these things
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Speaker 3: that you're talking about. Spencer Jones hasn't been the player
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Speaker 3: that the Yankees hyped him up to, be right, What
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Speaker 3: other pieces do they have If they're not willing to
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Speaker 3: trade a Lombard for these pieces, do they have enough
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Speaker 3: in their farm system. I know everyone hypes up the
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Speaker 3: Yankees prospect. He's a Yankee prospect. He's got to be great.
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Speaker 3: They're one of the best teams at it. But do
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Speaker 3: they actually have enough players in the minor leagues to
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Speaker 3: get all these moves done? Because it's a lot of moves,
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Speaker 3: and it's impact moves that you listed here.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think you can just look at it
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Speaker 2: as the minor league guys, just the prospects the Yankees
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Speaker 2: are willing to trade from their major league roster. Uh,
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Speaker 2: and that includes out me. You mentioned Specer Jones, He's
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Speaker 2: right now in the big league. Hit the three round
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Speaker 2: hormonn last time against the White Sox. Jason the Menga
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Speaker 2: is still Yeah, they did lose. That was that was
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Speaker 2: a tough loss the way that ended Jason's Themengas is
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Speaker 2: still young. It seems like he's been around forever, but
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Speaker 2: he hasn't been and he has injuries. You know, He's
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Speaker 2: had to start, stop and start a lot, you know
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Speaker 2: in his career between injuries and starting the year in
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Speaker 2: the minor leagues and killing it there in Tripa coming up,
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Speaker 2: crashing into the wall, hurting his shoulder, going back on
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Speaker 2: the il. So those are two guys. Uh, There's obviously
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Speaker 2: the guys in the minor in the leagues, but it's
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Speaker 2: also hey, Will Warren, Ryan Weathers.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 2: Could those guys be on the move because starting pitching
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Speaker 2: is always this time of the year, everyone's looking for
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Speaker 2: starting pitching. Those guys are too control rollable starting pitchers.
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Speaker 2: The Yankees have a surplus on paper of starting pitching.
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Speaker 2: That rotation is when healthy, when Carloswoodin comes back, If
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Speaker 2: and when he comes back, there's not going to be
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Speaker 2: room for all those guys. So at some point, you know,
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Speaker 2: Brian Cashman, I imagine it's thinking, okay, maybe we trade
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Speaker 2: from this to make it, you know, upgrade, whether it's
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Speaker 2: behind the plate and the bullpen, shortstop, wherever it may be.
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Speaker 2: So I think you have to add that. You have
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Speaker 2: to add that they do have some major few major
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Speaker 2: leaguers who they can add in trades that aren't really
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Speaker 2: part of the plans here for you know, the remainder
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Speaker 2: of the season, because if Cody Bellinger and Aaron Judge
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Speaker 2: come back, Spencer Jones is not on the major league roster,
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Speaker 2: Jason Demingez is not playing very much if you add
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Speaker 2: John Carlos stand even less. So so I think there
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Speaker 2: are moves to be you know, there are pieces to
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Speaker 2: move from the big league roster.
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Speaker 4: There would be pieces to move if not everybody was hurt.
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Speaker 4: Don't they need to address that the trade deadline, the
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Speaker 4: Cody Bellinger injury, because that's on top of the Aaron
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Speaker 4: Judge and now you have these quote unquote star prospects
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Speaker 4: from the minor leagues kind of being mid in the
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Speaker 4: big leagues.
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Speaker 2: Don't they have to address that.
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Speaker 4: Don't they have to get like a Dalton var Show
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Speaker 4: to be able to run around in center field. For
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Speaker 4: I get it, he's left handed, but there's not a
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Speaker 4: lot of right handed hitting. Don't they need that to
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Speaker 4: solidify what they lost in Cody and have lost since
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Speaker 4: essentially may in Judge.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for that third one where I put
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Speaker 2: in Netto, I think you could put Taylor Ward there
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Speaker 2: or someone like him, or Lane Thomas or you know.
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Speaker 2: I know those aren't the biggest names, but they would
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Speaker 2: help and they would help Bridge this time without Judge
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Speaker 2: and Bellinger and Sting. I do think that's a possibility.
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Speaker 2: Maybe it is on top of someone else who could
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Speaker 2: play shortstop. I mean, again, that's a lot. I think
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Speaker 2: they go for one or the other. There are options
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Speaker 2: out there on the market, whether it's controllable guys rentals,
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Speaker 2: that's something that they could do. But yeah, the offense
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Speaker 2: is going through it right now just because of those injuries.
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Speaker 2: It's kind of all that wants here. But the Yankees
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Speaker 2: do seem comp that those guys are going to come back.
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Speaker 2: So how how willing are you to give up guys
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Speaker 2: that can help you out in the future, you know,
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Speaker 2: for these next four to six weeks, you know, two
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Speaker 2: months to bridge you to the two October That that
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Speaker 2: is a question. I don't know the answer too, frankly.
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Speaker 2: I just know the areas that they're looking at and
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Speaker 2: the potential people that they're that are available, both on
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Speaker 2: the Yankee side and in the market.
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Speaker 4: All right, well, what about the more exciting team, the
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Speaker 4: team that's been not so good in New York, the Mets.
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Speaker 4: What is the wish list that you see or you
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Speaker 4: see happening or should happen for the Mets to get better?
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Speaker 4: But also you know reset here at the trade deadline.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so the thing with the Mets is, all right,
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Speaker 2: they're gonna sell. Obviously, they're one of the few declared
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Speaker 2: sellers right now, like for sure, one hundred percent. We're
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Speaker 2: not messing around. We're not going to pretend we're selling.
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Speaker 2: The question the thing is with the Mets is they're
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Speaker 2: trying to win next year. This is the team that
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Speaker 2: still has WONSTA and Francisco Lodoor and you know, aj
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Speaker 2: Ewing and Carson, Benjeb really good as rookies in the outfield.
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Speaker 2: This year, you got Nolan McLain. They're trying to win
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Speaker 2: next year. Steve Cohen is not trying to point on
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven. Yeah, he's not gonna do that. He's
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Speaker 2: trying to win. So you got to balance that. Now,
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Speaker 2: the wishless, the wishless. I came up with number one.
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Speaker 2: You unload all those guys are about to be free
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Speaker 2: agents because they're not gonna be on the team next year.
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Speaker 2: Most likely starts with Freddy Peralta, Luis Robert Jr. Who
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Speaker 2: came back off the ange list. He's hit two on runs,
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Speaker 2: hasn't done much else but right handed hitting, the guy
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Speaker 2: who could play center field. Guys always want that. The
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Speaker 2: Mets Pop might have to pay that down a little bit.
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Speaker 2: He's not gonna get much in terms of prospects. You
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Speaker 2: trade him, you trade play Homes, You trade Tyrol Taylor,
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Speaker 2: who's been hot at the plate as of late since
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Speaker 2: coming off the injured list. You trade you know, off
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Speaker 2: the top of my head, I'm forgetting already who all
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Speaker 2: the free agents that they have, but they oh the
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Speaker 2: two lefties Brooks rarely Aj Minter. And then you got
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Speaker 2: play Holmes. To me, who's like their best trade piece.
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Speaker 2: Clay Holmes is a guy who, you know, before he
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Speaker 2: took that comebacker from Spencer Jones, City Field had a
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Speaker 2: two three nine ERA and nine starts. He was really good.
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Speaker 2: He was coming into his own and his second year back,
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Speaker 2: you know, as a starting pitcher after being you know,
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Speaker 2: All Star reliever with the Yankees. So I think he's
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Speaker 2: someone who's gonna have a huge He has a huge market,
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Speaker 2: So I think getting you know, trading him and converting
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Speaker 2: that into whatever, you know, whatever prospects you can is imperative.
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Speaker 2: The number two on my list, you know, getting a
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Speaker 2: big return for two relievers, two controllable relievers. Walstar Brads
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Speaker 2: Labond has been really good this season. He's also thirty
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Speaker 2: six years old, like low key, like you don't really
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Speaker 2: think about Brazneman being thirty sixties. You feel like he
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Speaker 2: just came on the scene because he debuted at thirty
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Speaker 2: two years old. But he's controllable for three years beyond
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Speaker 2: this one. And then you got Luke Weaver, who here
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Speaker 2: in New York. Both sides know him very well. He's
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Speaker 2: you know, came on this came on on the scene,
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Speaker 2: burst onto the scene with the Yankees as a reliever
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Speaker 2: two years ago. He's a you know, he can He's
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Speaker 2: obviously shown he can handle his market, he can handle
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Speaker 2: big time games. You know, he's in the first in
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Speaker 2: the first year of a twenty two million dollar contract.
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Speaker 2: I think the Mets can get quite a bit for him.
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Speaker 2: He had a scoreless inning, scoreless gamestreak that went for
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Speaker 2: like two months. This year, he's been really really good
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Speaker 2: for them. Again, going back to what I said originally
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Speaker 2: with the Mets, he could also help you on twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty seven. But you know, bullpens can be volatile. Relievers
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Speaker 2: can be volatile. Though Weaver has really established himself as
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Speaker 2: one of the best here in the last couple of years.
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Speaker 2: And then number three. You know, something that stuck out
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Speaker 2: to me last Friday when David Stearns talked to the media, was, hey,
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Speaker 2: we need to start in pitching for next year because
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Speaker 2: you know they're gonna trade Friday Peralta, They're gonna trade
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Speaker 2: play homes. Joanna tong is not how they had good
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Speaker 2: year in Triple A. Zak Thorton has looked really good.
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Speaker 2: Christian Scott, who looked really good. Nolan mcclaying, seanm and
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Speaker 2: Ny has actually had a little bounce back here recently.
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Speaker 2: But they do need to go get a starter or
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Speaker 2: two and why not try to do that? Now, you
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Speaker 2: know a guy like a Red Detmers, who who's controllable
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Speaker 2: beyond this year, who's under the hood numbers are a
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Speaker 2: lot better than his surface numbers. Obviously, that will cost
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Speaker 2: you something. Maybe you know, you trade from the big
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Speaker 2: league team, you trade down the miners, you make some
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Speaker 2: kind of package for that. I do think we Detmers
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Speaker 2: is available. So someone like that for the future for
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven and beyond, I think would be on
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Speaker 2: the Mets wish lists. But I know for the first
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Speaker 2: two items, I think they're going to trade all those guys.
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Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be a very busy four or
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Speaker 2: five days here for the Mets.
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Speaker 3: Wow, I mean this is a lot. David Turns, I
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Speaker 3: hope he has the unlimited plan on his cell phone
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Speaker 3: with all this going on.
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Speaker 2: Right he has the rollover minutes.
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Speaker 3: Does he? Because he hasn't been doing anything offseason, so
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Speaker 3: now he's rolling it over to now because it was
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Speaker 3: so inactive this offseason. When I look at this list
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Speaker 3: it all again. All these almost make too much sense.
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Speaker 3: That's why none of them will happen. But I think
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Speaker 3: they should trade Luise Robert back to Chicago because you
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Speaker 3: know he said there's no fans. Well, if you watch
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Speaker 3: the Yankee White Sox game last night, there was forty
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Speaker 3: thousand fans in the stand, So I think they would
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Speaker 3: be perfect. Send Luis Roberts asks back to Chicago. Let
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Speaker 3: him get the proper introduction, which would be hopefully boot
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Speaker 3: out of the stadium, and then you know, whatever happens,
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Speaker 3: and they in that way, the White Sox could send
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Speaker 3: back nothing and the Mets could pay all his salary.
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Speaker 3: He could go back and sit on the bench.
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Speaker 2: Are you gonna send back Liise Acuna, who hasn't been
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Speaker 2: very good?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys, just flip them back.
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Speaker 2: You can put them right back a middle infielder. Here
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Speaker 2: you go.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agreed.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
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Speaker 3: I have a little bitterness towards Louise Robert after he
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Speaker 3: said the comments about White Sox fans, and I thought
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Speaker 3: were completely unnecessary. So you know, he yeah, he hasn't
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Speaker 3: been very good with the White Sox, and he hasn't
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Speaker 3: been very good with the Mets.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, and he's a guy who you know, he
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Speaker 2: has all the tools in the world, he just hasn't
15:32
Speaker 2: put put it together about five years. So it's you know,
15:35
Speaker 2: it's interesting that that that's an interesting case. He's a
15:38
Speaker 2: twenty million dollars club option for next year that won't
15:40
Speaker 2: get picked up. He's gonna be a free agent this offseason.
15:43
Speaker 2: And like I said, you know, Louise Robert, he had
15:45
Speaker 2: his back injury. He missed a bunch of time. He's
15:47
Speaker 2: a guy who's not producing. So why would a team
15:49
Speaker 2: trade for him? Because he hits right handed and he
15:50
Speaker 2: plays center field. You know that those are rare commodities
15:54
Speaker 2: at this point. You know, ahead of the trade deadline,
15:57
Speaker 2: teams are always looking for right hand and hitting guys
15:59
Speaker 2: who have in the past, and he's done it in
16:01
Speaker 2: the past.
16:02
Speaker 4: He has to play though the keyword there is play.
16:04
Speaker 4: So who is the most valuable piece? Is it Luke Weaver?
16:08
Speaker 4: Is it a team that's willing to say? I think
16:10
Speaker 4: the Mets broke Freddy Peralta and we can fix him.
16:13
Speaker 4: Who's the most valuable piece?
16:16
Speaker 2: I think it's between Clay Holmes and Luke Weaver. I
16:18
Speaker 2: think Clay Holmes looking really I mean just watching him.
16:21
Speaker 2: I got to watch most of his starts in person
16:24
Speaker 2: before he went down. He looked really good, in command,
16:27
Speaker 2: in control. He throws hard, he's a ground ball guy,
16:30
Speaker 2: but he's also getting his strikeouts. He's for me. Everyone
16:34
Speaker 2: I talked to, great clubhouse guy. Everyone loves Clay Holmes.
16:38
Speaker 2: No one says a bad word about him. And then
16:41
Speaker 2: Luke Weaver because you know it's a reliever versus the starter.
16:44
Speaker 2: But Luke Weaver has controlled beyond this year and he's
16:47
Speaker 2: now on year three of being a really good reliever
16:50
Speaker 2: at the major league level, one of the best. So
16:52
Speaker 2: I think it's between those two. And you mentioned that
16:53
Speaker 2: Freddie Peralta thing. I do think there are teams out
16:56
Speaker 2: there that think, not only could we fix Freddy Peralta,
16:58
Speaker 2: but like just get him out of New York and
17:00
Speaker 2: like just get him away from what was going on there.
17:03
Speaker 2: Maybe a fresh start the Mets infield defense to start
17:08
Speaker 2: the season. That Bobachett, who was not good over there
17:11
Speaker 2: to start the year, who has been better recently than
17:13
Speaker 2: they had. Francisco and Dora go down, so they had
17:15
Speaker 2: to move Boba Cheft to short. Marcus Simon has regressed
17:19
Speaker 2: terribly at second base this year, and at first base
17:22
Speaker 2: it was supposed to be Polongco. He lasted about two
17:23
Speaker 2: games and then there was a rotation there at first
17:25
Speaker 2: base of guys. Infield defense wasn't very good. I'll field
17:28
Speaker 2: defense has been good with with ing in bench, so
17:30
Speaker 2: maybe teams just thinking, hey, with a little better infield defense,
17:34
Speaker 2: Parolta will be maybe I don't know, pepper the strike
17:36
Speaker 2: zone a little bit more or whatever, get a little
17:38
Speaker 2: more confidence. But yeah, it's been a terrible year for
17:40
Speaker 2: Fredick Peralta. He's about a five v R. Maybe it
17:43
Speaker 2: changes scenery. This is a guy, in my opinion, he
17:47
Speaker 2: you know, he was sort of advertised as like an
17:49
Speaker 2: ace type when he got traded over here. He's never
17:51
Speaker 2: been that he's been. He's sort of a number three
17:53
Speaker 2: to me on like a really good team, a World
17:56
Speaker 2: Series level team, And I think that's how the team
17:59
Speaker 2: is probably the view one at this point. He's had
18:01
Speaker 2: two All Stars seasons, been really good last year, had
18:03
Speaker 2: a great year of two seven ERA. But to me,
18:05
Speaker 2: he's not like a top tier tier guy, you know,
18:07
Speaker 2: like elite. He's like a mid rotation guy. And I
18:10
Speaker 2: think a team there are teams out there thirsting for
18:13
Speaker 2: starting pitching. The Chicago Cubs come to mind. Actually, the
18:17
Speaker 2: Mets already traded the clubs are starting pitching David petersoner
18:19
Speaker 2: of this year, and David Peterson has been pretty good
18:22
Speaker 2: for the Cubs compared to what he was with the Mets,
18:24
Speaker 2: So maybe they relinked there and figure it out. But
18:27
Speaker 2: I think Freddy Perolta could help a team down this stretch.
18:30
Speaker 2: And Freddy Pearlt is another guy, great club boss guy.
18:33
Speaker 2: No one said a bad word about him. Everyone seems
18:35
Speaker 2: to love him, so I don't think that's gonna be
18:36
Speaker 2: a shwiddle.
18:38
Speaker 4: Uh Jorge, you know who also thought Freddy Parolta was
18:41
Speaker 4: elite the Mets. Who's the Mets? The Mets this offseason.
18:46
Speaker 4: They thought he was the guy that I saw make
18:49
Speaker 4: the next progression. So here's here's I mean. David Stearns
18:53
Speaker 4: isn't afraid of the only thing he's afraid of his
18:55
Speaker 4: long term contracts. Is David sterns afraid. And give me
19:00
Speaker 4: a percentage of the chance that Lin Door gets moved.
19:05
Speaker 2: I would put it at zero point zero zero zero
19:08
Speaker 2: zero one percent chance. I'm not gonna sit here and
19:13
Speaker 2: say something's not gonna happen, because, like I said, like
19:15
Speaker 2: we can see stuff out of left field here, I
19:18
Speaker 2: might get a tweet from Jeff right now it says
19:21
Speaker 2: something happened, as like blows my mind, right. So I'm
19:24
Speaker 2: not gonna say no that there's no chance. I just
19:28
Speaker 2: don't from what I've been told, it's not gonna happen.
19:30
Speaker 2: So things changed, But I don't expect Francisco Indoor to
19:34
Speaker 2: get traded. And just frankly, I think it's hard to
19:37
Speaker 2: trade that kind of player, making that kind of money,
19:40
Speaker 2: that kind of contract in the middle of the season
19:42
Speaker 2: with so much uncertainty next year about you know, is
19:44
Speaker 2: there gonna be a capus. They're not gonna be a cat.
19:46
Speaker 2: It's gonna be baseball next year. So I think that's
19:49
Speaker 2: more of an off season. If the Mets ultimately decide, hey,
19:51
Speaker 2: we want to trade the Francisco Indoor, that to me
19:53
Speaker 2: is more of an off season. Both.
19:56
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you for putting this to bed, because
19:58
Speaker 3: every time the Mets come up, it's oh, Lindor might
20:00
Speaker 3: be Lindor's not getting traded in the middle of the season.
20:03
Speaker 2: It's anything else. It's way too calm, so like you'd
20:07
Speaker 2: be selling him like thirty cents on the dollar. He's
20:09
Speaker 2: not having a he was hurt. He hasn't been Francisco
20:13
Speaker 2: as a blake. He's looked like Francisco Lindor, But for
20:15
Speaker 2: most of the year he has not been Francisco Lindor
20:17
Speaker 2: when he's been healthy. So why would you trade him now?
20:20
Speaker 2: It just doesn't make sense. And on top of that,
20:22
Speaker 2: you're trying to win in twenty twenty seven. Like I
20:25
Speaker 2: didn't understand it either, like the whole like trade Lindor,
20:28
Speaker 2: this's the whole Indoor and Soto thing and whatnot. That's
20:31
Speaker 2: not the reason why they're not winning this year, you know.
20:34
Speaker 2: So I think they're going to keep him and maybe
20:36
Speaker 2: down the line and something happens.
20:38
Speaker 3: All right, One more I want to know about a
20:40
Speaker 3: couple of war players. Actually one one is the other
20:43
Speaker 3: Francisco Francisco Alvarez. He's not going anywhere, correct, and then Bore.
20:47
Speaker 3: They're not going to trade bo. They can't trade Bo
20:49
Speaker 3: right now because you mentioned the thirty cents on the dollar.
20:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, well with Boba, shed is interesting. He hasn't no
20:56
Speaker 2: trade class. So if he doesn't want to go anywhere,
20:58
Speaker 2: he won't go anywhere. On top of that, if he
21:00
Speaker 2: gets traded. He actually was, so actually that's not if
21:03
Speaker 2: he gets traded. So Bobachet's basically on a three He's
21:07
Speaker 2: on a three year contract that are essentially it's essentially
21:09
Speaker 2: three one year contracts. So he's gonna he can opt
21:11
Speaker 2: out after this year, and if he opts out, he
21:13
Speaker 2: gets five million dollars, which is like a rare thing
21:16
Speaker 2: I haven't really seen before with a contract. His situation
21:19
Speaker 2: is weird, his contract's weird. His production. He's been really
21:22
Speaker 2: good since June. The beginning of June, he's more like
21:26
Speaker 2: the Bolbaschet we're used to seeing. He's been really good
21:28
Speaker 2: again with the runners in scoring position. He's the guy
21:30
Speaker 2: who's up there hacking. He's not gonna walk very much,
21:33
Speaker 2: but he's been better since the beginning of June. He's
21:35
Speaker 2: been really good at third base the last couple of
21:37
Speaker 2: months as well. Whether a team season as a third
21:40
Speaker 2: baseman or second basement in the future, we'll see. I
21:44
Speaker 2: don't expect Bobaschet to get moved. He's another guy who
21:47
Speaker 2: could help him out in twenty twenty seven if he
21:49
Speaker 2: does off back in which I think is the expectation
21:51
Speaker 2: right now, but I could be wrong. And then when
21:53
Speaker 2: Francisco Alvareza, he's another dude who's like hitting really well
21:56
Speaker 2: as a late like he's been. He has close to
21:58
Speaker 2: an eight hundred ops. There aren't that many catchers with
22:01
Speaker 2: his numbers this season. He's a guy obviously a top
22:05
Speaker 2: prospect when it came up injuries like I think he's
22:08
Speaker 2: had like every wrist, hand, thumb injury in the book
22:11
Speaker 2: the last three years, stopping and starting kDa meniscus tear.
22:14
Speaker 2: This season came back from that, it's been really good.
22:17
Speaker 2: I do wonder if the Mets say, hey, you know what,
22:20
Speaker 2: maybe we can turn this into some value elsewhere. We
22:23
Speaker 2: could maybe you know, whether it's starting pitching or another
22:27
Speaker 2: area that we could use. But you know, catching is tough.
22:29
Speaker 2: Catching is hard to find catchers that can hit, and
22:32
Speaker 2: this guy can hit. If he stays healthy, he's gonna hit. Now,
22:35
Speaker 2: whether he's gonna be good enough behind the plate receiving
22:38
Speaker 2: pitch calling, we'll see about that. The Mets have had
22:44
Speaker 2: their issues with him. Last year. He was sent to
22:46
Speaker 2: the minors partly because of that he wasn't hitting, but
22:48
Speaker 2: on top of that, defensively and behind the plate receiving.
22:51
Speaker 2: He just wasn't there. So Francisco Alvarest and me is
22:54
Speaker 2: a super talented guy who could have some value out
22:56
Speaker 2: in the market. Ultimately, I don't think he gets traded.
22:59
Speaker 2: Luis Terrenz is also getting a lot of love, a
23:01
Speaker 2: lot of teams gre interested in him. He's signed two
23:04
Speaker 2: year extension, making about four and a half million in
23:05
Speaker 2: the next two years. I believe it is off the
23:07
Speaker 2: top of my head. And he is a defense first guy,
23:11
Speaker 2: another guy great clubhouse guy. And I don't know, maybe
23:15
Speaker 2: they the Mets do move one of them. I mean,
23:16
Speaker 2: it's not with the out of the realm of possibility.
23:18
Speaker 2: The Mets are listening on to everybody. You're listening on
23:21
Speaker 2: everybody not named Juan Sodo, Carson, benj aj Ewing, Nolan McLain,
23:26
Speaker 2: Christian Scott and Frances Belondor. That's my understanding. Everyone else,
23:31
Speaker 2: we're listening. You got offers. We want to hear him.
23:35
Speaker 3: The Mets have the best clubhouse in the world. Every
23:36
Speaker 3: guy's a great clubhouse guy. But all yours rumors of
23:39
Speaker 3: a bad clubhouse, right, so something, something doesn't add up there,
23:43
Speaker 3: because that's all you've heard.
23:44
Speaker 5: But you've you've made it a great club, great clubhouse.
23:48
Speaker 5: I'm just I'm telling you, Sean and I to the list.
23:51
Speaker 5: Nothing that everyone like yeah, so like they you know,
23:55
Speaker 5: it's it's all this focus has been on the door
23:57
Speaker 5: and Sodo. You know obviously just you guys have been
24:01
Speaker 5: in club Eric and Ada, you guys have been in
24:02
Speaker 5: club asses. Man Like when you lose, yeah, no one
24:06
Speaker 5: is happy. I mean I don't know, Like it's the Mets.
24:09
Speaker 2: They were expected to win this year, that World Series expectations.
24:12
Speaker 2: Jan Soto gets injured like a week into the season
24:14
Speaker 2: and Francisco and Doorro gets injured the day he comes
24:16
Speaker 2: back at that twelve game losing streaking between why would
24:19
Speaker 2: the vibes be good, I'd be wondering why if they
24:23
Speaker 2: were good, I'd be like, wait, what's going on here?
24:24
Speaker 2: You guys should be all pissed off. Yeah, the vibes
24:26
Speaker 2: weren't great. It was. It was terrible there for and
24:29
Speaker 2: it's been terrible all season and they know it.
24:32
Speaker 1: Hey, last one, I'll bring one fan question in here,
24:34
Speaker 1: just throwing out a trade idea, and even if you
24:36
Speaker 1: don't specifically agree with the idea, just to playoff where
24:40
Speaker 1: the Mets heads are at Bridger in the chat, Mets
24:43
Speaker 1: were really interested in Bubba Chandler in the offseason. I
24:46
Speaker 1: could see, although I don't know where he found that,
24:48
Speaker 1: because I don't know why the Pirates would have had
24:51
Speaker 1: someone like that available, But anyway, I could see a
24:53
Speaker 1: package of Weaver or Brasabon and prospects for Chandler, who's
24:57
Speaker 1: having a down year.
24:57
Speaker 2: What do you think, I don't think so. I think
25:01
Speaker 2: the Pirates. I think the Pirates. You get Bubba Junin's
25:04
Speaker 2: too valuable, and that's their thing right now? Is that
25:06
Speaker 2: rotation now? They definitely do. They're they're looking for help
25:09
Speaker 2: in the bullpen. That's one thousand percent, and they need
25:12
Speaker 2: it because that rotation is very real and that offense,
25:16
Speaker 2: you know, those additions they've made during the off season.
25:19
Speaker 2: Ryan o'harn't been allowed. Very real that they're they're hitting
25:23
Speaker 2: as Merlin Valdez. I don't know that dude looks like
25:26
Speaker 2: two thousand and one albut pooholes like it's crazy how
25:29
Speaker 2: good he's been. But they need some bullpen help. I
25:32
Speaker 2: don't think it's Bubba Chandler though, I mean, that's no,
25:35
Speaker 2: that's my too, Steep. I get, I get.
25:39
Speaker 1: You know, you might look at a Connolly early moving
25:42
Speaker 1: over in a trade for Curtis Meet and go, oh,
25:44
Speaker 1: maybe controllable pitching, and hey, if you can get some
25:46
Speaker 1: controllable young pitching, go for it.
25:48
Speaker 2: But that I agree too, Steep.
25:50
Speaker 1: But I like where their head's at, because the Pirates
25:52
Speaker 1: should be calling about both of those relievers. Their bullpen
25:54
Speaker 1: has been a disaster all season long.
25:56
Speaker 2: This was great. Another thing, but yeah, one more thing,
25:59
Speaker 2: another thing like Luke Weaver is too expensive for the Pirates.
26:02
Speaker 2: I mean, let's just be honest. He's making eleven million
26:04
Speaker 2: next year. You think the Pirate's going to pay that.
26:07
Speaker 2: That's not really their thing, So maybe a Brosibondo.
26:10
Speaker 1: Although the Pirates just discovered something. If you spend like
26:13
Speaker 1: a little bit of money, you might make the playoffs
26:14
Speaker 1: and make way more money.
26:16
Speaker 2: It might happen this year.
26:17
Speaker 1: It was the first time that they I'm not saying
26:19
Speaker 1: the whole organization discovered it, but getting permission to spend
26:22
Speaker 1: a little bitty extra money this past offseason has gone
26:26
Speaker 1: a long way their contenders suddenly. So we're hey, good stuff, man,
26:29
Speaker 1: great to catch up.
26:30
Speaker 2: Thanks for the time, No problem, For guys, thanks for
26:32
Speaker 2: having me on