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Credlin | 1 April · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the program. At seven o'clock tonight,
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Speaker 2: we'll have that national address across all media outlets, including
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Speaker 2: live here on Sky News of course, from the Prime Minister,
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Speaker 2: where we expect him to address the growing fuel crisis,
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Speaker 2: with similar addresses from pms.
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Speaker 3: Across the world.
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Speaker 2: We've got one of the United Kingdom tonight and of
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Speaker 2: course one from the President out of the White House tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: We'll get into this in a whole lot more. Here's
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Speaker 2: what's coming up tonight on Credline. That rare national address
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Speaker 2: from the Prime Minister, something we haven't seen since the
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Speaker 2: early days of the pandemic. But just in the last
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Speaker 2: half hour Western Australia has declared a state of emergency,
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Speaker 2: so things are moving fast. Greg Sheridan coming up and
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Speaker 2: we'll cross live to Canberra shortly. More on the more
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Speaker 2: redeeming pre selection fiasco of a night liberals reopened the
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Speaker 2: race rather than just in yours her as the city member,
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Speaker 2: despite the precedent to do just that. I'll let you
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Speaker 2: know what's going on a bit later. Plus a volley
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Speaker 2: from the US President overnight warning that allied nations that
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Speaker 2: were reluctant to back the war and are on their own.
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Speaker 2: When it comes to oil, the US will they're fine,
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Speaker 2: their energy self sufficient. So will just make Europe and
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Speaker 2: perhaps Australia be more willing to support efforts to reopen
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Speaker 2: the Strait.
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Speaker 3: And if the.
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Speaker 2: PM says nothing's changed, then why tonight's big national address?
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Speaker 4: The Prime Minister will deliver an emergency address to the nation.
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Speaker 4: Prime Minister, what has changed since yesterday?
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Speaker 5: Nothing has changed since yesterday.
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Speaker 2: We'll stay on the issue because we've got an hour
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Speaker 2: to wait now until the Prime Minister's addressed to the nation.
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Speaker 2: But I think we can be confident it won't be
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Speaker 2: the call to action that Australian needs. The Iran wars,
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Speaker 2: still not five weeks old, has brutally exposed our vulnerability.
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Speaker 3: As a country.
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Speaker 2: While the government assures us that liquid fuel supplies remain normal,
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Speaker 2: about ten percent of our servos are out of some
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Speaker 2: all fuels, and that's increasing by the hour. Already, flights
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Speaker 2: are being canceled, Transport costs of skyrocketing. Farmers are putting
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Speaker 2: off sowing or harvesting because it's no longer economic of
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Speaker 2: because of fertilizer shortages and from building to packaging disruptions
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Speaker 2: are coming because liquid fuels are the feedstock for the
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Speaker 2: plastic sector and plastics are essential to life. So much
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Speaker 2: for the government's constant assertions that were on this unstoppable
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Speaker 2: path to green transitions because fossil fuels, they say, are
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Speaker 2: destroying the planet. Instead, the past few weeks have been
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Speaker 2: a wake up call that without fossil fuels, normal life
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Speaker 2: is impossible. I'll tell you what Anthony Albanez it should
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Speaker 2: announce tonight. I'll doubt he'd do it, but I'll tell
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Speaker 2: you what he should be saying. You should say that
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Speaker 2: his urgently building the storage to give Australia ninety days
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Speaker 2: of reserves, the sort of reserves that were supposed to
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Speaker 2: have under International Energy Agency rules. If it was smart,
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Speaker 2: he'd say he's conducting an urgent National Resilience audit to
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Speaker 2: determine the essentials needed for normal life and ensure that
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Speaker 2: we always have them available on hand in this country,
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Speaker 2: to do what Scott Morrison said he would do after
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Speaker 2: COVID but never did, or what we might have learned
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Speaker 2: if we'd had that Royal Commission that I've been arguing
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Speaker 2: arguing for over the past four years. If Alberizi was
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Speaker 2: acting like a proper national leader, he would announce tonight
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Speaker 2: that new fossil fuel exploration and extraction would be urgently
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Speaker 2: accelerated rather than virtually banned as he and the Energy
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Speaker 2: van led Chris Bowen have done since they were elected.
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Speaker 2: And if he was serious, Albanese would also rapidly expand
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Speaker 2: our military so that we're in a position to defeat
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Speaker 2: aggression and secure.
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Speaker 3: Our supply lines.
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Speaker 2: But none of that, as have said, will happen because
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Speaker 2: this Prime Minister is incapable of responding to any crisis
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Speaker 2: if there's no ready answer in the left's political playbook
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Speaker 2: for Australia's sake. I hope he proves me wrong, but
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Speaker 2: I think we all know that Tonight's address will be
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Speaker 2: a whole lot of hand rigging to try and make
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Speaker 2: this none of his fault, to make it all on
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Speaker 2: the head of Donald Trump, and despite our very real
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Speaker 2: inflation crisis. Talk up cost of living relief, Well, let's
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Speaker 2: just see cost of living relief for what it is.
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Speaker 2: It's basically taking money out of one pocket to put
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Speaker 2: it in another. A plea to tell us to stop
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Speaker 2: using our cars, to restrict our use of fuels, and
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Speaker 2: a whole lot of garbage for how this kid like
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Speaker 2: him who grew up in public housing understands your pain. Now,
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Speaker 2: what's patently clear out of the crisis. As we saw
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Speaker 2: at Bondi too, this is the labor machine that's much
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Speaker 2: better at the politics than they are at governing, much
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Speaker 2: better at making announcements than making a difference, much better
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Speaker 2: at performative than performing. Take the gun buyback as just
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Speaker 2: one example. They announced that after the Bonnai massacre, but
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Speaker 2: it hasn't happened because the labor states wouldn't agree, and
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Speaker 2: as at the deadline last night, it's now an extinct policy.
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Speaker 2: Take the social media ban for kids under sixteen. Reportedly
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Speaker 2: seventy percent of young people have worked how to get
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Speaker 2: around it, yet not one of the big tech players
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Speaker 2: have been fined. Take the foreign criminals that Labour let
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Speaker 2: out of detention that were then all supposed to be
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Speaker 2: deported to Neru. So far it's reported that just six
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Speaker 2: out of hundreds have actually gone there, despite the two
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Speaker 2: billion dollars we have paid to NIRU to.
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Speaker 3: Do the deal. This is a country that's actually.
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Speaker 2: Groaning within the world's largest coal exporter, the world's second
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Speaker 2: largest gas exporter, one of the world's largest uranium exporters,
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Speaker 2: plus critical mineral's gold.
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Speaker 3: You name it.
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Speaker 2: Everything that the world is desperate for. And here we
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Speaker 2: are in a crisis, largely because labor in the greens
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Speaker 2: won't let us make the most of any of those things.
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Speaker 3: Here in our own country, in the.
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Speaker 2: United States, which after earlier energy shocks, has worked hard
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Speaker 2: to achieve fuel self sufficiency. Unlited petrol there this week
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Speaker 2: is under a dollar fifty Australian per liter. Diesel there
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Speaker 2: is under two dollars Australian per liter, compared to some
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Speaker 2: two dollars fifty here for unleaded and well over three
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Speaker 2: dollars for diesel if you can get it. And as
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Speaker 2: a Page Research Institute pointed out last week, well established
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Speaker 2: coal to oil processes that have been working in South
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Speaker 2: Africa for over half essentially could readiliably readily be done
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Speaker 2: here with our vast brown coal reserves are rejected. And
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Speaker 2: if you think things look fraught now with the strait
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Speaker 2: of Hormus blocked and twenty percent of the world's oil
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Speaker 2: and gas bottled up, just wait until there's a crisis
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Speaker 2: in East Asia, and nothing moves in the South China Sea,
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Speaker 2: through which eighty percent of our refined liquid fuels currently transit.
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Speaker 2: For too long, as a nation, we've been sleep walking
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Speaker 2: through lotus Land. I sure hope tonight that Albanese exceeds
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Speaker 2: my expectations.
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Speaker 3: But here's the tip. Here's the tip.
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Speaker 2: What we'll get from the Prime Minister tonight is pain,
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Speaker 2: relief and reassurance, but not the leadership our country needs.
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Speaker 6: Now.
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Speaker 2: A quick update on the more redeeming pre selection de
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Speaker 2: bark Well. Last night, at eleven fourteen pm, the Liberal
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Speaker 2: party head Offers sent around this email reopening the applications
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Speaker 2: for the top spot in the party's group voting ticket
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Speaker 2: for the Western Metropolitan Region. It reads that applications for
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Speaker 2: endorsement will open at eleven fifty nine pm, so forty
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Speaker 2: five minutes later after the emails sent, and that they
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Speaker 2: will close Thursday, meaning tomorrow at twelve noon. Now that's
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Speaker 2: barely twenty four hours. But am I surprised no, because
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Speaker 2: you've heard me say this before. Only the Victorian Liberals
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Speaker 2: could take something terrible and make it catastrophic, such is
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Speaker 2: their special talent for epic incompetence, meaning that rather than
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Speaker 2: simply endorse Steaming in the number one sport as the
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Speaker 2: incumbent MP and put the whole Dinesh Gurrisetti scandal behind them,
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Speaker 2: the Victorian President in his committee will make her face
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Speaker 2: yet another contested pre selection ballot, a contested ballot with
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Speaker 2: quite likely a confected result. Because I'm already told and
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Speaker 2: moderates are hitting the phones to Marshal goer Ascetic's block
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Speaker 2: of vote against Deeming, so it's hard to see that
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Speaker 2: she'll face a fair fight. Gourd Seti, it should be
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Speaker 2: noted donated to Perzzuto's legal defense, as disclosed in the
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Speaker 2: latest parliamentary returns. Now that's interesting, isn't it, As did
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Speaker 2: Heath Williams and former MP Luise Staley, who both publicly
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Speaker 2: abuse Deeming online this week. Now, there are many recent
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Speaker 2: examples where head officers simply endorsed candidates. They did as
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Speaker 2: much last night in the state seat of Hastings, but
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Speaker 2: they didn't do it for Demi. They also did it
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Speaker 2: at the aston by election not so long ago. But
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Speaker 2: clearly the precedents don't get followed if you wor a Deeming.
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Speaker 3: Now ponder this.
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Speaker 2: The liberal woman who won a court case, her apport
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Speaker 2: calling treatment by a Liberal man is turfed out, whereas
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Speaker 2: the Liberal man who lost is given millions of dollars
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Speaker 2: at a party coffers to save his skin, and he
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Speaker 2: gets his pre selection without a contest. And these clowns
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Speaker 2: and the Liberal Party in Victoria, they wonder why they
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Speaker 2: have a problem with women right.
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Speaker 3: Now, more deemings.
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Speaker 2: Considering her position, She's unsure whether to give the Libs
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Speaker 2: one last chance to treat a fairly, or to walk,
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Speaker 2: perhaps to join one nation, a party that would welcome
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Speaker 2: her with open arms, as a conservative mum who's become
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Speaker 2: a hero to everyone who thinks that trans rights should
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Speaker 2: not trump women's rights. As I said, you cannot make
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Speaker 2: this stuff up without a federal intervention into the Victorian liberals.
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Speaker 2: I can't see what will save Victorians from another four
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Speaker 2: years of an appalling labor government. All right, let's go
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Speaker 2: to Camber now for the headline Sky on new political
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Speaker 2: reporter Treaty McIntosh.
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Speaker 7: The Prime Minister will deliver a rare address to the
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Speaker 7: nation next hour on the fuel crisis. Anthony Albanezi is
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Speaker 7: expected to encourage Australians to save fuel so it can
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Speaker 7: be prioritized for industries that need it, and.
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Speaker 5: What is required at times like this is to be
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Speaker 5: considered be orderly at worth two issues, not to pretend
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Speaker 5: there aren't challenges.
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Speaker 7: It's the first address to the nation since PM Scott
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Speaker 7: Morrison in March twenty twenty. While Australia cannot and is
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Speaker 7: not immune from this virus, we are well prepared. In
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Speaker 7: a sign of the looming economic crisis, the government today
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Speaker 7: announced temporary tax relief for small businesses. It includes temporary
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Speaker 7: payment deferrals and loan restructuring.
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Speaker 3: We're doing the very best that we can.
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Speaker 4: This really is one of those points where we need
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Speaker 4: a genuine team Australia response.
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Speaker 3: That small businesses were already in terrible trouble before this began.
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Speaker 7: President Trump and his Defense secretary have called on allies
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Speaker 7: to help secure the Strait of hor Moos. There are
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Speaker 7: countries around the world who might be prepared to step
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Speaker 7: up the coalition, and one nation warn Australia to consider
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Speaker 7: that request.
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Speaker 5: We have more to lose than anybody else over the
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Speaker 5: longer term.
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Speaker 6: We should absolutely be giving it full consideration.
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Speaker 2: Right let's stay in Canberra, As I said, in just
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Speaker 2: under an hour, we'll have the Prime Minister's addressed to
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Speaker 2: the nation and joining me from Canberra, Sky's senior political
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Speaker 2: reporter Truty Macintosh. I mentioned at the top of the show, Truty,
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Speaker 2: we've got the PM in an hour. We've got a
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Speaker 2: national address from Kirstarma. That's around ten o'clock our time
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Speaker 2: at the latest. Donald Trump of course tomorrow at noon.
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Speaker 2: We last saw this during the pandemic. We know that
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Speaker 2: just before we went to where WA has declared a
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Speaker 2: state of emergency. You've heard my thoughts about it. I
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Speaker 2: don't think think it'll be the speech we need. I
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Speaker 2: think it we the political speech the Prime Minister wants
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Speaker 2: to give a you know, a whole lot of hand ringing,
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Speaker 2: We're in it together, all that sort of kumbaya. But
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Speaker 2: what are you hearing around the corridors tonight.
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Speaker 7: Well, Peter, I was told it's essentially a scene setter
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Speaker 7: that the Prime Minister wants to use this to cut
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Speaker 7: through to as many Australians as possible to really set
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Speaker 7: out the gravity of the fuel crisis that we are facing.
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Speaker 7: I'm told though, that there's not going to be any
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Speaker 7: sort of major surprise announcements to come from the Prime
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Speaker 7: Minister today. But the very fact that we are seeing
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Speaker 7: this televised address is significant. The last one, as you
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Speaker 7: recall there March twenty twenty, I actually went back and
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Speaker 7: watched that today from Scott Morrison. He actually didn't announce
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Speaker 7: any major policy in that either. It was also a
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Speaker 7: reassuring kind of speech, But ten days later Australia was
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Speaker 7: plunged into its first COVID lockdown. So make no mistake,
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Speaker 7: there are difficult days to come for Australia with this
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Speaker 7: fuel crisis. The Prime Minister has resisted any sort of rationing.
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Speaker 7: The emphasis entirely is on voluntary measures at the moment,
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Speaker 7: essentially encouraging people who can to get public transport, save
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Speaker 7: the fuel for who needs it most. It struck me, though, Peter,
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Speaker 7: through the last couple of weeks a real sense of
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Speaker 7: data vill about the pandemic. You and I. They're covering
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Speaker 7: this in twenty twenty at the time, it felt like
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Speaker 7: the federal government was being dragged to actions by the States,
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Speaker 7: and in the last couple of weeks it's felt similar
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Speaker 7: from this Prime Minister when it comes to the States
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Speaker 7: and taking action too.
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Speaker 2: Look, I do think that brashting is on the table.
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Speaker 2: They'll call it demandent management. We all know what it is,
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Speaker 2: but I just don't think they'll do it this side
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Speaker 2: of Easter. I think they'll try and have Easter as
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Speaker 2: a scene center in a positive way. I think that's
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Speaker 2: why you've got things like the excise announced. It will
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Speaker 2: not flow through to people filling up for Easter, mind you,
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Speaker 2: it'll be two weeks or so before that runs through
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Speaker 2: the distribution network, but it's meant to be a feel
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Speaker 2: good going into Easter. I think they're going to hit
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Speaker 2: us as Morrison did a few days down the track.
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Speaker 2: It certainly was fuel the issue again of the day
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Speaker 2: in the Parliament. The Coalation want more transparency and I
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Speaker 2: have to say I agree with them here. We got
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Speaker 2: stats all the way through COVID. There was a transparency
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Speaker 2: about that. We're all kept in the loop. We're not
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Speaker 2: getting that now from the government. We've got some states
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Speaker 2: being a bit more upfront than others, but there is
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Speaker 2: no national statistical provision and I think that's where the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister's starting look a bit mean and tricky.
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Speaker 7: Well, it's been a frustrating thing as a journalist. I
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Speaker 7: have to say, Peter, to be able to get that
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Speaker 7: regular number to show people how many petro stations are
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Speaker 7: out of fuel one type right across the country. We've
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Speaker 7: been getting it in dribs and drabs when questions are
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Speaker 7: asked in question time. Remember at the start of the pandemic,
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Speaker 7: it was like pulling teeth trying to get a national
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Speaker 7: data board of how many COVID cases there were. You'd
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Speaker 7: imagine that lessons being learned that behind the scenes they're
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Speaker 7: trying to work on this and get it done. The
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Speaker 7: other thing, too, is remember that Fuel Task Force coordinator.
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Speaker 7: You haven't actually seen her. Part of this in the
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Speaker 7: COVID pandemic was picking someone who was front facing out
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Speaker 7: there able to reassure people. Remember it was General fru
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Speaker 7: And from the Army talking about the vaccines's roll out
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Speaker 7: at the time. You need someone out there who's not
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Speaker 7: really political, I would say, who's able to do that
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Speaker 7: nuts and bolts questions of here's where the fuel is,
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Speaker 7: here's what we're doing. That communication side, I think could
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Speaker 7: be improved.
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Speaker 2: I think the PM has been really spooked by the
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Speaker 2: politics of this.
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Speaker 3: I think he's.
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Speaker 2: Underestimated how fast it's moving out in the community, how
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Speaker 2: much people actually understand about fuel. They're watching obviously what's
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Speaker 2: happening with farmers and the transport sector. But you don't
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Speaker 2: need to run out to worry about running out, you
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Speaker 2: know what I mean. You can see that your tanks
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Speaker 2: coming down, you can see that your bowsers locally might
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Speaker 2: be running dry. You can also see, if you're watching
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Speaker 2: your dollars the price ratcheting out. I think that's the
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Speaker 2: pressure point for the PM. He's also not upfront enough
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Speaker 2: in the chamber. True, you have a look at this
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Speaker 2: question today.
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Speaker 4: There are reports today government ministers have canceled travel and
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Speaker 4: events in April. Has the government received advice of any
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Speaker 4: additional fuel ships bound for Australia that have been delayed
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Speaker 4: or canceled?
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Speaker 5: If he's referring to what was a proposed trip by
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Speaker 5: myself for ANZAC Day in Gallipoli on April twenty five, Yes,
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Speaker 5: because of the circumstances of travel to Turkey at the moment.
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Speaker 5: Obviously I have canceled it, prioritized what we are dealing
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Speaker 5: with at the moment, engaging with our regional partners. That's
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Speaker 5: irresponsible and the right thing to do.
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Speaker 2: Okay, slippery response there. He pivots straight into his own travel.
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Speaker 2: But he should have asked, should have answered the question
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Speaker 2: in relation to the fuelled ships, but he just dodges.
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Speaker 3: All of that.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, we saw that repeated question to the Primester and
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Speaker 7: other ministers today about these ships that were canceled. The
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Speaker 7: line repeatedly from Chris Bowen and the Prime Minister was
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Speaker 7: that of those canceled, they've now been replaced and some
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Speaker 7: so some level of reassurance that at least for the
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Speaker 7: month of April were getting ships into Australia. The bigger
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Speaker 7: question comes in the longer term also that question mark
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Speaker 7: about what Donald Trump, the President, is going to announce tomorrow, Peter,
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Speaker 7: that could shift all of this. Is it an announcement
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Speaker 7: to end the war from the US side, Is it
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Speaker 7: an announcement of ground troops. All of this has huge
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Speaker 7: ripples right across the world. And you'd imagine if you're
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Speaker 7: the Prime minister. Given the White House announced that only
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Speaker 7: a few minutes before the embargo lifted here, they might
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Speaker 7: have regretted the timing, but nonetheless they're pushing head tonight
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Speaker 7: with this seven PM address.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Look, you're right to make the point that our Prime
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Speaker 2: minister announced his national address to the nation before he
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Speaker 2: knew that that the President was having a big one tomorrow,
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Speaker 2: so we could find our Prime Minister's got to be
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Speaker 2: back to do some mopping up by the end of
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Speaker 2: the weekend.
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Speaker 3: Hey just quickly, you know, you.
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Speaker 2: Know, I know there'd been long negotiations behind closes about
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Speaker 2: increasing the size of the Federal Parliament, but the moment
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Speaker 2: the opposition came out and said that they would not
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Speaker 2: do it, and sure, I think Labor had the numbers
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Speaker 2: with the Greens to put it through. Anyway, I think
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Speaker 2: the PM got really speaked by the politics. Would you
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Speaker 2: say this is now dead in the water.
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Speaker 7: In terms of the change to the House of Representative
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Speaker 7: expansion that seems to be killed off now the Prime
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Speaker 7: you have to feel sorry for Don Farrellefe thought he's
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Speaker 7: a very senior minister. He'd been the one out carrying
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Speaker 7: these reforms. Just the day before at the press Club
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Speaker 7: talking about increasing the size of Parliament, he said is
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Speaker 7: what great Labor leaders do. A day later, his Labor
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Speaker 7: leader stands on the floor and essentially kills off this
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Speaker 7: idea entirely. I think the royal politics play out here.
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Speaker 7: The Prime Minister doesn't want to have a fight about
19:46
Speaker 7: more politicians here in the Canberra bubble. That doesn't play
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Speaker 7: well in ordinary suburbs, but there is still They haven't
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Speaker 7: ruled out potentially expanding the number of Senators going to
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Speaker 7: the territory. So potentially one more here for the Act
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Speaker 7: and the NT will w space.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Can I just make the point to a lot of
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Speaker 2: people say, oh, but there's a nexus between the House
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Speaker 2: and the Senate. If you increase the Senate, you've got
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Speaker 2: to increase the House. No, the constitutional nexus only relates
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Speaker 2: to the terms. So if you have three year terms
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Speaker 2: in the House, you have six years and Senate. If
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Speaker 2: you will go to four in the House, you go
20:18
Speaker 2: to eight in the Senate. People get that nexus provisions confused.
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Speaker 2: So I want to clear that up.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Trudy. Let's go now to the war.
20:26
Speaker 2: The Wall Street Journal is reporting that the United Arab
20:28
Speaker 2: Emirates are willing to join the US in efforts to
20:32
Speaker 2: reopen the Strait of hor Moos. It comes after Donald
20:35
Speaker 2: Trump suggested that the US could exit the war without
20:38
Speaker 2: securing the strait.
20:41
Speaker 8: If France or some other country wants to get oil
20:45
Speaker 8: or gas, you'll go up through the street and Hormones Street.
20:51
Speaker 8: They'll all right up there and they'll be able to
20:53
Speaker 8: fend for themselves. I think it'll be very safe actually,
20:56
Speaker 8: but we have nothing to do with it. What happens
20:58
Speaker 8: with the Street, we're not going to have anything.
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Speaker 9: To do with.
21:02
Speaker 2: Don't him now, The Australians Foreign Editor Greg Sheridan, there's
21:06
Speaker 2: a whole lot I want to talk to you about tonight, Gregan,
21:09
Speaker 2: in relation to all of this and these various Prime
21:11
Speaker 2: ministerial and presidential addresses around the world. What's the likelihood tomorrow,
21:17
Speaker 2: under domestic pressure, looking at the markets, that you'll get
21:22
Speaker 2: a response from the President that says something like, well,
21:24
Speaker 2: we consider the war one, knowing that his onshore energy
21:29
Speaker 2: is secure, and really put pressure on our allies, particularly NATO,
21:34
Speaker 2: to step up if they want the Straight of Horn
21:36
Speaker 2: Moves opened.
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Speaker 9: Well, Peter, it's great to be with you, and honestly,
21:42
Speaker 9: it's very hard to work out what Trump will do
21:44
Speaker 9: tomorrow because he's giving intentionally giving two completely contradictory signals.
21:52
Speaker 9: On one signal, he's saying, unless we get a deal
21:55
Speaker 9: from Iran, which includes opening the Straight of hor Moves,
21:58
Speaker 9: we're going to bomb all all of their electricity generation,
22:01
Speaker 9: all of their oil sites, and indeed desalination plants, and
22:05
Speaker 9: I've never heard anything so amazing as an American president
22:09
Speaker 9: threatened to bomb the civilian desalination plants of a nation
22:14
Speaker 9: with which it is engaged in hostile activities. But then
22:19
Speaker 9: then he also says, as you just showed on that clip,
22:23
Speaker 9: we can leave any time we like, and the Strait
22:26
Speaker 9: of holl Moves has got nothing to do with us.
22:28
Speaker 9: He says we've already had regime change, although that's patently untrue.
22:33
Speaker 9: He says the new people running Iran are much more
22:35
Speaker 9: reasonable than the old people, although Marco Rubio says he
22:39
Speaker 9: doesn't know who's running Iran or how decisions are made,
22:42
Speaker 9: and he says we can leave the Strait of hor Moves.
22:44
Speaker 9: So we're getting completely contradictory signals from Trump here. Maybe
22:49
Speaker 9: he's doing that intentionally. I've been very reluctant to come
22:52
Speaker 9: to this conclusion, but I'm starting to wonder whether age
22:56
Speaker 9: is not catching up with Trump. He seems to me
22:58
Speaker 9: to be becoming erratic, evil why standards.
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Speaker 2: I think the unpredictability is part of his trump card,
23:08
Speaker 2: part of the part I mean, I think partly the
23:11
Speaker 2: reason he has got so far in a number of
23:14
Speaker 2: these enterprises in his second term is because you know,
23:19
Speaker 2: his enemies are not sure where things will land, how
23:22
Speaker 2: he will play them. He's not afraid of using the
23:25
Speaker 2: arsenal of the United States. A lot of people talk
23:27
Speaker 2: talk talk, but they don't, you know, the Church, they're
23:31
Speaker 2: sort of Chamberlain like, they don't actually back that up
23:35
Speaker 2: with military muscle. He's certainly got the airborne there, He's
23:38
Speaker 2: got the Marines ready to go, and that's threatening Iran.
23:42
Speaker 2: Will it make the allies step up? I mean the
23:44
Speaker 2: disappointing thing in all this, Greg is do we think
23:47
Speaker 2: getting rid of the Iranian regime was a good thing? Absolutely?
23:50
Speaker 2: Limiting the capacity to have a nuclear weapon? Absolutely? But
23:54
Speaker 2: why is everybody else around the West standing there and
23:58
Speaker 2: wringing their hands?
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Speaker 9: Well, Peter, I think Trump could display all the virtues
24:04
Speaker 9: that you mentioned there without being so completely extreme and
24:09
Speaker 9: self contradictory every day. I mean, would an American president
24:13
Speaker 9: really bombed the desalination plants of another country that you know,
24:18
Speaker 9: it's surely we left dressed in.
24:19
Speaker 2: A bit of a messu Greeg. We'll have dressed it
24:22
Speaker 2: in a bit of a mess.
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Speaker 9: Does that mean there's no moral compunction at all? When
24:26
Speaker 9: he ran threatened to bomb the desalination plants of the
24:30
Speaker 9: golf countries. The Americans and US, we all reacted as
24:35
Speaker 9: though this was one of the most uncivilized and barbaric
24:38
Speaker 9: actions any nation could take, and this showed the difference
24:41
Speaker 9: between US and them. The Americans have said repeatedly, and
24:44
Speaker 9: I believe them, they don't target civilians, But then Trump
24:48
Speaker 9: threatens to target civilians. So Peter I would say, there's
24:51
Speaker 9: a tremendous cost to Trump's in coherence.
24:55
Speaker 3: One reason no.
24:56
Speaker 9: Allies have stepped up is because the whole thing is
24:59
Speaker 9: so up incoherent. I mean, it's very unclear to me
25:04
Speaker 9: whether it is physically possible to liberate the Straight of
25:08
Speaker 9: Horror Moves militarily without taking out Iran altogether. It's such
25:12
Speaker 9: a narrow strait, and asymmetric capabilities now are so easy,
25:18
Speaker 9: so much more lethal than they used to be. But
25:21
Speaker 9: as a matter of simple fact, the Americans themselves are
25:24
Speaker 9: not escorting any tankers up and down the Straight of
25:27
Speaker 9: hor Moves right now.
25:31
Speaker 2: This still comes back to the fundamental thing that you
25:34
Speaker 2: and I often talk about, is there is a lot
25:37
Speaker 2: that Trump does that you can't help but support. There's
25:41
Speaker 2: a lot that Trump says that we all find reprehensible,
25:44
Speaker 2: particularly in a Western leader. But in the end, the
25:47
Speaker 2: words aren't what aren't necessarily bullets, as we say. It's
25:52
Speaker 2: his actions that are demonstrably on the right side of history,
25:55
Speaker 2: I think, certainly in relation to Iran. And he wouldn't
25:59
Speaker 2: be in this position. The world would not be in
26:01
Speaker 2: the position if NATO and other allies, if we in
26:04
Speaker 2: Australia were upping our defense expenditure as.
26:07
Speaker 3: We should, if we were all not looking into.
26:09
Speaker 2: The United States as the constant lender of last resort
26:13
Speaker 2: on all of this stuff.
26:15
Speaker 9: Yeah, you're absolutely right, Peter, I completely agree with you there.
26:20
Speaker 9: This is a civilizational failure. This is a civilizational moment,
26:24
Speaker 9: and it is a civilizational failure. Australia's performance is utterly
26:29
Speaker 9: pathetic across every every possible measure of national power. Albaneze,
26:35
Speaker 9: he promised us a strategic fleet civilian vehicles which could
26:38
Speaker 9: carry our fuel and other emergency supplies. We've got nothing.
26:43
Speaker 9: He's been in office for four years. We've got not
26:44
Speaker 9: one ship. He promised to make our defense force capable.
26:49
Speaker 9: We don't have a ship we could send to Australia.
26:51
Speaker 9: Hall moves. I mean, there's a kind of fantasy debate
26:53
Speaker 9: in Australia. You know, the opposition says we should investigate
26:57
Speaker 9: what we can do and look to be helpful. That's
26:59
Speaker 9: fair enough. But Angus Taylor had the good wet yesterday
27:03
Speaker 9: to say, but actually our lack of investment in the
27:06
Speaker 9: navy means it's extremely difficult. There's not a single Australian ship.
27:10
Speaker 9: We have a surface fleet of ten ships. Not one
27:13
Speaker 9: of them could safely protect itself in the Strait of
27:15
Speaker 9: or Moves, much less contribute to anyone else. But I
27:19
Speaker 9: agree that a lot of what Trump does is good,
27:22
Speaker 9: but there is also a cost in a lot of
27:25
Speaker 9: what Trump does now. Even the way he's undertaken this
27:28
Speaker 9: Iran operation, he didn't fill up the American oil reserves
27:33
Speaker 9: before he began. He didn't bolster golf Nations, Andy miss
27:38
Speaker 9: Isle and Andy drone defenses before he began. Halfway through
27:42
Speaker 9: the conflict he switched to more sophisticated counter drone capabilities
27:47
Speaker 9: in the military. And the absolute lack of coordination with
27:52
Speaker 9: any ally even after it happened. George W. Bush would
27:55
Speaker 9: never have behaved anything like this as a result. He
27:58
Speaker 9: could mobilize a great coalition of allies the way Trump
28:02
Speaker 9: behaves and then you know his threat is I.
28:06
Speaker 3: Want to ask you about other things. We can stay
28:08
Speaker 3: on this all night. We can stay on this all night.
28:11
Speaker 2: What do you think we're going to hear from the
28:12
Speaker 2: Prime minister? Because it's a three or so minute address
28:15
Speaker 2: that's relatively short for a substantial address.
28:18
Speaker 3: We don't know what's in it, you know. Are we
28:22
Speaker 3: going to see him, you know.
28:24
Speaker 2: Be a bit more full throated about our ore supply
28:29
Speaker 2: out of this region. Is it going to be the
28:31
Speaker 2: sort of reassurance and I guess the political speech you know,
28:36
Speaker 2: saying to Australians, I feel your pain and support is coming,
28:40
Speaker 2: the sort of stuff to look after his polls. Is
28:41
Speaker 2: it going to be a yet more hand rigging What
28:44
Speaker 2: do you think we're we're going to hear from the
28:45
Speaker 2: Prime minister tonight?
28:46
Speaker 3: Greg Well?
28:48
Speaker 9: In my view, the Albanzy prime ministership has been terribly
28:51
Speaker 9: disappointing and it's been characterized by an absolute supremacy of
28:56
Speaker 9: tactics and lower case P politics at every moment, with
29:02
Speaker 9: no policy ambition and with a reluctance to level with
29:06
Speaker 9: the Australian people. And his greatest achievement seems to be
29:12
Speaker 9: that the coalition has done poorly and that he's stayed
29:17
Speaker 9: in office. And I would expect tonight to be very bland,
29:22
Speaker 9: attempting to be reassuring, attempting to communicate seriousness, but with
29:27
Speaker 9: not one spec I.
29:28
Speaker 3: Would guess this.
29:30
Speaker 9: I have no inside knowledge, but I would guess this
29:32
Speaker 9: not one infinitesimal movement towards actually fixing the massive structural
29:38
Speaker 9: supply side constraints which be devil our economy across the
29:43
Speaker 9: board and make us so lacking in resilience when a
29:46
Speaker 9: situation like this comes about.
29:50
Speaker 2: As we were warned during COVID, and we swore we'd
29:53
Speaker 2: do it differently, and what we're five years on went
29:55
Speaker 2: back in the same sort of mess.
29:56
Speaker 3: Grig Sheridan, thank you.
29:58
Speaker 2: After break, we can get into warnings today from a
30:01
Speaker 2: former treasury boss in Australia about stagflation, real risk here
30:06
Speaker 2: pluss the social media ban falling apart of the seams,
30:10
Speaker 2: and I'll also speak to Victoria and Liberal about the
30:12
Speaker 2: internal party crisis that's been exposed by this pre selection debarcle.
30:20
Speaker 3: Welcome backs.
30:21
Speaker 2: Still the calm despite all the warnings that Australia must
30:24
Speaker 2: show more fiscal restraint. Speculations today that Jim Chalmers is
30:27
Speaker 2: getting set to increase spending in the main budget. But
30:31
Speaker 2: now to the latest criticism and the Albanies he governs.
30:34
Speaker 2: Much hype social media ban, which has garnered plenty of
30:37
Speaker 2: global attention, but our serious questions over its tangible impact,
30:43
Speaker 2: bound with reports of significant loopholes that the opposition argues
30:47
Speaker 2: that the result of an ineffective and poorly managed policy implementation.
30:51
Speaker 3: Here to discuss this.
30:52
Speaker 2: In more shadow communications, Minister Sarah Henderson.
30:56
Speaker 3: Well, Sarah, welcome.
30:58
Speaker 2: You know all the international accolae and the flights to
31:01
Speaker 2: New York for three hour speeches all on the taxpayer.
31:05
Speaker 2: It's got loopholes. Kids are getting through. Seventy percent say
31:09
Speaker 2: they can still get online, they can still get to
31:11
Speaker 2: social media. So what about all that noise they made
31:14
Speaker 2: about these fifty million dollar fines for big tech?
31:18
Speaker 3: Where are they?
31:22
Speaker 10: Well, Peter, as you say, the Minister has been flying
31:24
Speaker 10: around the world praising herself and her government over the
31:27
Speaker 10: social media ban, but it is simply not working. I
31:31
Speaker 10: think she's trying to deflect. She's been caught up in
31:34
Speaker 10: a very major travel roots scandal. She's now talking tough
31:38
Speaker 10: against the social media companies, but where is the action
31:41
Speaker 10: if they have breached the law. Why isn't the government
31:44
Speaker 10: prosecuting the likes of meta, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok and the like.
31:51
Speaker 10: The problem is that the legislation provides that these social
31:54
Speaker 10: media companies must take reasonable efforts to shut down underage accounts.
31:59
Speaker 10: Now the minister claims some five million accounts are being
32:03
Speaker 10: shut down. There's no evidence to support that claim. That's
32:05
Speaker 10: a very rubbery claim, and yet she's now saying that
32:09
Speaker 10: they're not doing enough. The problem is that there are
32:12
Speaker 10: so many workarounds. As you say, children are using VPNs,
32:15
Speaker 10: there's not an appropriate age verification system, and so as
32:20
Speaker 10: we stand at the moment, the government is simply not
32:22
Speaker 10: doing enough and children are simply not safe online.
32:28
Speaker 3: Right. Imagine you or the minister, what would you do well?
32:34
Speaker 10: If the minister was prepared to get tough against the
32:37
Speaker 10: social media companies, against the big tech platforms, she should
32:41
Speaker 10: be taking every single step to make the safety tools
32:44
Speaker 10: available to parents which are available to organizations, big companies,
32:49
Speaker 10: government departments through enterprise agreements. There's a whole lot of
32:53
Speaker 10: safety tools parents should be able to control how much
32:57
Speaker 10: time children can spend on social media and what they
33:01
Speaker 10: see the safety of the content that is not available
33:04
Speaker 10: to Australian parents, and that's a shock. The other thing
33:07
Speaker 10: that the government is not doing. There is technology available
33:10
Speaker 10: to shut down horrific child sexual abuse material, including live streaming,
33:16
Speaker 10: and we have heard nothing from this minister about that
33:19
Speaker 10: horrific problem in this country. So there is much more
33:23
Speaker 10: the government could be doing, but this minister is just
33:27
Speaker 10: frankly not up to the job.
33:30
Speaker 2: Sarah, I've got to ask you, as a Victorian Liberalist
33:33
Speaker 2: senator for Victoria about the pre selection the barcle in
33:37
Speaker 2: relation to Moiradini. Are you surprised that after the scandal
33:41
Speaker 2: of Denesh Gurusetti who withdrew after it was revealed and
33:46
Speaker 2: pretty easy to find this online that it gave a
33:48
Speaker 2: character reference to a convicted pedophile. But the Liberal Parties
33:52
Speaker 2: refused to endorse Moiradeeming and said they've opened up the
33:55
Speaker 2: pre selection yet again for a contested race for little
34:00
Speaker 2: over twenty four hours to lodge nominations. What's going on, Well.
34:07
Speaker 10: Peter, let me start by saying Moira Deeming is a
34:10
Speaker 10: wonderful member of Parliament, she's a warrior for women's rights,
34:13
Speaker 10: she's a warrior for the protection of children, a warrior
34:17
Speaker 10: for the people of Melbourne's West and of course a
34:20
Speaker 10: great advocate for common sense. The treatment of Mara has
34:24
Speaker 10: been terrible and I am very disappointed that she has
34:27
Speaker 10: not been immediately pre selected after as you say, this
34:31
Speaker 10: debarcle has unfolded.
34:34
Speaker 2: Okay, well, given all the internal issues, and the Liberal
34:38
Speaker 2: Party is a must win race on behalf of all
34:41
Speaker 2: Victorians you know who want to turn the state around
34:44
Speaker 2: come November at the state election. Surely the head offers
34:47
Speaker 2: that the Victorian Liberal president has to take responsibility, has
34:51
Speaker 2: to resign. They're supposed to vet candidate. This got through.
34:56
Speaker 2: It's just shameful.
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Speaker 10: Well, Peter, everyone, everyone in the Liberal Party must be
35:03
Speaker 10: working a hard night and day to ensure that Jess
35:07
Speaker 10: Wilson and her team are elected. This state is a
35:10
Speaker 10: basket case under Jacinta Allen. It is riddled with incompetence
35:15
Speaker 10: and corruption.
35:16
Speaker 3: It is a disgrace what.
35:18
Speaker 10: Is happening in our state. And we have to give
35:22
Speaker 10: this party every single chance to win in November. And
35:26
Speaker 10: I think that there has been a failure of organizational
35:30
Speaker 10: leadership and that has to be immediately resolved.
35:35
Speaker 2: Would you blame Moradini if she left after all of this?
35:38
Speaker 2: That went to one nation or in one nation is
35:41
Speaker 2: eating into Liberal Party vote right around the country, but
35:43
Speaker 2: particularly in Victoria.
35:47
Speaker 10: Well, Peter Moira is a wonderful asset for the Liberal Party.
35:51
Speaker 10: She loves the Liberal Party. The way she has been
35:54
Speaker 10: treated by some in the party is just shocking. I
35:58
Speaker 10: desperately hope that she stays and I desperately hope that
36:01
Speaker 10: this can be resolved very quickly.
36:04
Speaker 2: All right, I wish you were running the show, Sarah
36:06
Speaker 2: or not because everyone else has got their head in
36:08
Speaker 2: the sand.
36:08
Speaker 3: I'll leave it there.
36:10
Speaker 2: After the break, those warnings on Labour's big spending and
36:13
Speaker 2: push ahead of the budget that will further risk recession.
36:16
Speaker 2: Last a bombshell report set to be released revealing secret
36:21
Speaker 2: dealings between the former premier Dan Andrews the firefighter union boss.
36:25
Speaker 2: That's coming up coming up, Kel Richards and some pretty
36:32
Speaker 2: topical words for this week. But now to the looming
36:35
Speaker 2: budget and that damning assessment today from former New South
36:37
Speaker 2: Wales Premium Might Beard, who's warned that Australia is no
36:40
Speaker 2: longer a low detonation and that we've got to confront
36:43
Speaker 2: our unsustainable fiscal settings. That comes at the time, of course,
36:48
Speaker 2: that the Treasurer Jim Chalmers is looking to ramp up
36:52
Speaker 2: vote buying spending. Here to discuss some more skynies hosts
36:56
Speaker 2: Jamie Rodgers and the Deputy Director of the Issue of
36:58
Speaker 2: Public Affairs, Dan wild Well, welcome to you both.
37:01
Speaker 3: Dad.
37:02
Speaker 2: This is a warning from Mike Baird. It won't be
37:04
Speaker 2: the last warning we get. We've also had warnings today
37:08
Speaker 2: from the former labor appointed Secretary to the Treasury, Martin Parkinson.
37:13
Speaker 2: He's talking about stag flation for goodness sake.
37:17
Speaker 1: Well, that's right. This has been a long time coming.
37:20
Speaker 1: We've had governments at the state and federal level spending
37:23
Speaker 1: money they just don't have. I mean, COVID was a
37:25
Speaker 1: massive accelerant of that, but in a way, COVID kind
37:28
Speaker 1: of masks the deep structural spending that's been embedded at
37:31
Speaker 1: state and federal level budgets. The NDIS is the prime
37:34
Speaker 1: example at a federal level, growing at something like three
37:37
Speaker 1: times the entire raid is our economy with no plan
37:40
Speaker 1: to pay it back. As you mentioned, Martin parknseron former
37:44
Speaker 1: Treasury secretary saying stayflation, which is high inflation and high unemployment.
37:48
Speaker 1: A returned to the nineteen seventy style price and wage spiral.
37:53
Speaker 1: So you look at the government and what is the
37:55
Speaker 1: government actually talking about. They're not talking about anything that's
37:58
Speaker 1: going to fix these issues you've rightly identified when we
38:01
Speaker 1: look at the budget coming up in a bit over
38:03
Speaker 1: a month, is just going to be more spending to
38:05
Speaker 1: get more votes.
38:06
Speaker 2: Let's go to that landmark Fair Work Commission ruling if
38:09
Speaker 2: I can, Jamie, this is a phase in forty two
38:12
Speaker 2: percent pay rises for youth workers. So this is eighteen nineteen,
38:18
Speaker 2: twenty year olds, people who don't have any experience. I
38:21
Speaker 2: just want to get their foot on the job's ladder.
38:24
Speaker 2: It's been hailed as fairness by the unions. Now my
38:28
Speaker 2: concern here is they then will go up again in
38:32
Speaker 2: terms of their cost to the employer, up against people
38:34
Speaker 2: who are twenty one, twenty two, twenty three, so still
38:37
Speaker 2: young workers, but young workers with experience. So if you're
38:42
Speaker 2: a business owner, would you take you're paying the same
38:44
Speaker 2: amount now the twenty year old with no experience, a
38:47
Speaker 2: nineteen year old with no experience, or the twenty two
38:50
Speaker 2: year old with a bit of experience, and given that
38:53
Speaker 2: AI is about to hit this sector and hit them hard,
38:58
Speaker 2: I reckon, that's the last time, the last time you do.
39:01
Speaker 3: Something like this.
39:03
Speaker 11: Yeah, you're absolutely spot on there, Peter. And it's also
39:06
Speaker 11: worth mentioning that the union called this a monumentous decision
39:10
Speaker 11: and they compared it to women getting fair equal pay
39:14
Speaker 11: back in the seventies. And when I read that, I
39:17
Speaker 11: thought you could not be more worlds a part of
39:20
Speaker 11: this decision because of the impact. First of all, to
39:22
Speaker 11: your point, eighteen to twenty year olds, after six months
39:26
Speaker 11: in a job, which is when they're then entitled to
39:28
Speaker 11: that forty two percent pay rise, you're still learning, You're
39:32
Speaker 11: still in experience, and that's why you get the lowest salaries.
39:35
Speaker 11: I remember on my first ever job, my Mum's saying
39:38
Speaker 11: to me, you should be so grateful because an employer
39:41
Speaker 11: is paying you to learn, and that's the whole point
39:44
Speaker 11: of why you get these introductory jobs. And also, these
39:47
Speaker 11: adults that will be getting the equal pay are probably
39:50
Speaker 11: still helping train these younger people. So I think that
39:54
Speaker 11: in the end, eighteen nineteen, maybe twenty year olds are
39:57
Speaker 11: really going to struggle to get that first job and
39:59
Speaker 11: get their foot the door, and we're also rewarding just
40:02
Speaker 11: this real sense of entitlement. Whatever happened to having to
40:05
Speaker 11: work hard and really then earn your way to increase
40:09
Speaker 11: your salary. But I also look at the flip side, Peter,
40:12
Speaker 11: how are businesses supposed to be able to afford this
40:14
Speaker 11: a forty two percent rise. They're already struggling to keep
40:17
Speaker 11: their doors open with skyrise energy prices and rents and
40:21
Speaker 11: just everything else going up. They're not going to be
40:23
Speaker 11: putting the junior staff on at all, and in fact
40:26
Speaker 11: they're probably going to be cutting their staff hours in
40:28
Speaker 11: general just to be able to keep the doors open.
40:32
Speaker 3: You're not wrong now.
40:33
Speaker 2: I don't want this issue to get missed. It was
40:35
Speaker 2: a huge topic a couple of months ago. And I
40:37
Speaker 2: know we're talking about Iran and everything else, but this
40:39
Speaker 2: is incredibly important as Senate inquiry has found serious systemic
40:44
Speaker 2: failures in Australia's childcare sector. They also reference that the
40:50
Speaker 2: sector has been targeted by pedophile networks.
40:53
Speaker 3: They've looked at things.
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Speaker 2: Like weak screening, regulatory gaps, misleading quality ratings, parents not
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Speaker 2: being even the information they need to make a good
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Speaker 2: decision about where they place their children. And of course, Dan,
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Speaker 2: I'll go back to this issue again. Sixteen billion dollars
41:08
Speaker 2: we spend those taxpayers every single year, but you only
41:12
Speaker 2: get the money if you put your child in a
41:15
Speaker 2: unionized childcare center. We can see from this report and
41:19
Speaker 2: all parties we're in this report. It's not a liberal
41:21
Speaker 2: party report.
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Speaker 3: The Greens and.
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Speaker 2: Labor and everybody else is contributed. The system is broken.
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Speaker 2: Parents need the money themselves to make the right choices
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Speaker 2: for them and their family.
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Speaker 3: This is not working.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's right, and you know, I think one of
41:36
Speaker 1: the reasons people don't want to talk about it is
41:38
Speaker 1: it's too psychologically disjointing to do.
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Speaker 3: So.
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Speaker 1: It goes to something fundamental in our society, which is,
41:45
Speaker 1: as you've said, we are set up to be a
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Speaker 1: two income society. Basically everybody has to work all the
41:50
Speaker 1: time to pay back these massive mortgages. And you only
41:53
Speaker 1: get the childcare subsidy to go to one of these
41:55
Speaker 1: childcare centers. And so if you want to go somewhere else,
41:58
Speaker 1: you can, but you're not getting the subsidy do so.
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Speaker 1: Most people who would refer to do that can't afford it.
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Speaker 1: So surely this has to be the moment whereby we
42:07
Speaker 1: look at the system and we say we need to
42:09
Speaker 1: have fundamental reform. If we're having sixteen billion dollars a
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Speaker 1: year from the federal government to go to these things,
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Speaker 1: well why can't it go direct to families for them
42:17
Speaker 1: to use it in a way that they see is fit.
42:19
Speaker 1: I think that is something that makes sense, it's something
42:22
Speaker 1: that will be supported, it's someone that gives flexibility. I
42:25
Speaker 1: just think now's the time to do it.
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Speaker 2: Just quickly, Jamie. At the top of the show, I
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Speaker 2: talked about all these failures. You know, the Prime Minister
42:30
Speaker 2: in his government really great at the announcement, out goes
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Speaker 2: a press release and then the delivery falls away. It
42:36
Speaker 2: just does not happen as they promise. First cab off
42:40
Speaker 2: the rank there. That I wanted to talk about specifically
42:42
Speaker 2: now is this national gun buyback. You know all the
42:45
Speaker 2: hooplar after Bondai. This was the Prime Minister's response. Well,
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Speaker 2: the deadline to sign up to it for the States
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Speaker 2: was last night. The majority have not signed up. So
42:57
Speaker 2: it's an extinct policy.
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Speaker 3: It is a joke.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, that's a very good way of putting it, Peter,
43:04
Speaker 11: because it is an absolute joke and let's not forget
43:07
Speaker 11: that it was actually in New South Wales Premier Chris
43:10
Speaker 11: Mins who was the first person to come out with
43:12
Speaker 11: the idea of the gun buy a back scheme and
43:14
Speaker 11: also to have a state Royal Commission, and it felt
43:17
Speaker 11: as though Anthony Alberaneesi was almost running behind him and
43:20
Speaker 11: copying a lot of the decisions that he did. And
43:23
Speaker 11: I think it's a huge concern. We have a leader
43:25
Speaker 11: right now and a government who aren't able to make
43:28
Speaker 11: these strong decisions and actually follow through with some of
43:31
Speaker 11: the ideas that they have, or if they do, they're
43:33
Speaker 11: not done properly. It is extremely concerning and I will
43:37
Speaker 11: be interested to see what the Prime Minister has to
43:39
Speaker 11: say at seven o'clock tonight.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can copy Howard all you like, but you've
43:45
Speaker 2: got to do what Howard did, not just say what
43:48
Speaker 2: Howard said. I'll leave it there, Thank you, Jamie, Thank
43:51
Speaker 2: you Dan. After the break words with Kel and the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister of course at seven pm, all right, joining
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Speaker 2: me as he does every Wednesday, our dear friend, the
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Speaker 2: broadcaster Kel Richards. We thought we get some topical words
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Speaker 2: out of the media today. We talk a lot about recession,
44:12
Speaker 2: but it has a technical definition, Kel give that one
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Speaker 2: to us tonight.
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Speaker 6: Okay, recession basically means an economic standstill. It means an
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Speaker 6: economic decline, and the usual form of measurement is two
44:25
Speaker 6: consecutive quarters of gross domestic product going backwards. But the
44:30
Speaker 6: interesting thing I found this is me being a wordy.
44:34
Speaker 6: Recession did not apply to economics until nineteen oh five.
44:38
Speaker 6: For two hundred years before that, it was only used
44:40
Speaker 6: in medicine. It described what a disease was doing in
44:43
Speaker 6: someone's body. It was it was a recession. Now, of course,
44:47
Speaker 6: the word recession comes from the verb to recede, which
44:49
Speaker 6: comes from a classical Latin word which means at its heart,
44:53
Speaker 6: to go backwards. And I think there's a sense in
44:56
Speaker 6: which all you need to know about recession means is
44:59
Speaker 6: going backwar woods. That's what If we're told we're in
45:03
Speaker 6: a recession, then we are going backwards. That's what's frightening about.
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Speaker 2: It and the only thing saving the government at the
45:10
Speaker 2: moment too. Where As we go backwards in terms of growth,
45:13
Speaker 2: we've got high immigrant populations coming into Australia, which gives
45:17
Speaker 2: us that distortion. But if you do it in per
45:20
Speaker 2: capita terms, we've gone a long period of time where
45:23
Speaker 2: Australians at a household level are going backwards, which is
45:27
Speaker 2: why they feel like they are because in the numbers
45:31
Speaker 2: that's the actual factual result.
45:33
Speaker 3: Let's go to another way.
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Speaker 2: This was brought up today by Martin Parkinson. It harks
45:38
Speaker 2: back to the economic years before us and not a
45:41
Speaker 2: lot of people we certainly not only young people will
45:44
Speaker 2: know this term, but we should learn this term because
45:46
Speaker 2: it could be on our doorstep. This is of course stagflation.
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Speaker 6: Yes, this is a really interesting word to start with.
45:53
Speaker 6: It's a portmanteau word. It's two different words packed together
45:56
Speaker 6: in the same small suitcase or portmanteau. And the words
45:59
Speaker 6: are stagnation and inflation. And what I've been able to
46:04
Speaker 6: discover I love doing this. I've discovered the man who
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Speaker 6: coined it. He was an English member of Parliament, a
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Speaker 6: Conservative member of the House of Commons, by the name
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Speaker 6: of Ian MacLeod, and in nineteen sixty five he coined
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Speaker 6: the word stagflation. The very first time it ever appears
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Speaker 6: in print anywhere is in Handsard from November nineteen sixty five.
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Speaker 6: And what he meant was, it's the idea of an
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Speaker 6: economy being stagnant, that is, no movement at all except
46:33
Speaker 6: for the cost of living, except for inflation going up.
46:37
Speaker 6: You get that stagnant lack of movement in employment, in growth,
46:41
Speaker 6: in productivity, and you get cost of living inflation going
46:45
Speaker 6: up at the same time. And he coined this wonderful
46:47
Speaker 6: word stagflation in order to describe that. His word didn't
46:51
Speaker 6: catch on for some years later. A few years later,
46:53
Speaker 6: William Reice Mogg used it in a speech again in
46:56
Speaker 6: the House of Commons, and William Reice Mogg tried to
46:59
Speaker 6: add his own word. He said, we faced the risk
47:01
Speaker 6: of stagflation and slumpflation. Now, William ris Monk's other word,
47:06
Speaker 6: I'm afraid, didn't catch on. But McLeod's word actually has
47:10
Speaker 6: caught on, hasn't it.
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Speaker 2: And the stag part I've always taken to be stagnant
47:15
Speaker 2: as in terms of productivity, and that's a huge issue.
47:18
Speaker 2: The RBA has mentioned that many times. So we'll see
47:21
Speaker 2: what happens. But if that's the risk of Martin Parkinson
47:23
Speaker 2: saying that, the risk, well I think he knows what
47:26
Speaker 2: he's talking about.
47:27
Speaker 3: Just a quick one.
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Speaker 2: Reza wants to know the origins of the word leeway.
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Speaker 6: Okay, if we give someone leeway, we give them a
47:33
Speaker 6: bit of room to move. So we might say you
47:35
Speaker 6: can deviate from an original plan or whatever. You've got
47:38
Speaker 6: some room to move. The word goes back to sixteen
47:42
Speaker 6: seventeen and it was a nautical turn. So it comes
47:45
Speaker 6: to the days of sailing ships and leeway was the
47:48
Speaker 6: way in which ships tended to drift with the wind.
47:51
Speaker 6: They tended to drift away from the wind because in
47:54
Speaker 6: those days ships had two sides, the leeward side and
47:56
Speaker 6: the windward side, and on the leeward side, that's the
47:59
Speaker 6: way they drift. So if we give people permission to
48:03
Speaker 6: drift a little bit so that they don't have to
48:05
Speaker 6: actually stick to you know, precisely this that, or they
48:08
Speaker 6: can then they they're on the leeward side, they get
48:11
Speaker 6: they are given some leeway. So it's quite a nice
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Speaker 6: nautical expression, and I think we use it nicely these days.
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Speaker 2: I'm conscious that we'll got the Prime Minister. Please give
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Speaker 2: us your website again, Kells People, the lodge.
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Speaker 6: Words, oswords, ozed words dot com dot U, ozed words
48:27
Speaker 6: dot com dot au and you can ask questions there.
48:30
Speaker 6: There's a comments page. Drop me a.
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Speaker 2: Line right, I'll leave it there. Thank you for your
48:34
Speaker 2: company tonight. Here is the Prime Minister's addressed to the
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Speaker 2: nation