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The CFL Outsiders S02/E16 Labour Day Hangover · The CFL Outsiders

• 0:36
  Hey kids, welcome back to another week of the CFL Outsiders.
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  I remain, as always, your 100 % unbiased, completely impartial, and rather sore co-host, Old Man, Shouting at Clouds.
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  Joining me this week, as usual, is GT...
• 0:58
  Hey everyone, how you doing?
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  I had a great weekend.
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  Just finished watching something that I, before we go much further, I just want to throw out there for everybody to know.
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  On Amazon, if you haven't seen it yet, there's like an hour and a half tremendous documentary on Mr.
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  Dress Up.
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  I just finished watching it and everybody knows Mr.
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  Dress Up you really should watch it get some more background than you think you already know.
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  It's really, really good.
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  And it brings back tons of great memories for everyone.
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  So just thought I would throw it out.
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  Thank you for that.
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  He was a classic.
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  It was a tickle trunk with him, wasn't it?
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  That wasn't the friendly giant.
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  It's been a long time for me.
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  And this week, unfortunately, MJ is off gallivanting again, but off the bench comes MJ2.
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  Welcome back.
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  thanks for having me back.
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  It's been a sports weekend, so I feel like I have a book full of notes and my head remembers nothing.
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  So we'll see where this goes.
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  You'll fit in well then.
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  It's a lot to take in.
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  Yes.
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  I've got to say as I started out saying, I'm a little sore now and it just goes to show you've got to train if you're going to do some extreme stuff.
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  And I obviously haven't spent enough time sitting on my arse because that's three games on Labor Day was tough to be there.
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  Or not Labor Day, the Labor Day rematches.
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  But anyway, the Saturday stuff.
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  ah
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  Saturday and I thought well could we have not have had this spread out but anyway
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  Yeah, I was going to talk about that too, in that I just, yeah, I don't, I hope that, I know that's the last one of this year.
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  I'm pretty positive it's the last one of this year and it's not good.
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  I only watched two games, the first and the last, because the two in between, like the first on Friday night in the last game, because that was obviously with Stampeters game,
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  but the two other ones, I had things to do on middle of a Saturday afternoon.
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  And then by the time the, was over.
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  I wasn't interested in going back.
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  just watched the highlights and it was like, yeah, no, you lost me.
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  Like double headers are fine on from here on in Friday and Saturdays, but three in a row on in the middle of the afternoon.
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  Just, yeah.
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  And when it's already a beautiful day, we finally have a wonderful fall happening.
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  And yeah, there's just too many things to do to, for me anyway, to sit down for nine hours.
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  I believe you're right.
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  They did mention that it's the only one for this year, which I think is great.
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  So I guess we're going to have probably either double headers on Friday and Saturday, any of the, I don't know if we have any three weekend games left.
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  And then the only other exception will probably be on Thanksgiving.
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  Because I think they'll probably do a game on Sunday or Monday there, probably Monday.
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  they've made that now the Ottawa-Montreal Labor Day.
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  So that's the Thanksgiving and I like that.
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  Again, that's that Thanksgiving afternoon Monday.
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  And I like the idea that those two teams get that rivalry game in on a holiday when people can sit down and watch it.
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  Hopefully we're in, I guess, what now?
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  guess six weeks left basically.
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  Well, more than six weeks, but six games left, so.
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  mean, the season's just started, right?
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  Yeah.
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  It feels like it and at the same time we're in the playoff run so it's been fun.
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  I'm gonna start out today with a bit of a rant.
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  I listened to the folks on the Three Down podcast their show this week and something they said kind of got to me just a little bit.
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  So this is it.
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  I'm talking to you folks specifically to John Hodge and J.C.
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  Abbott.
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  And I'll start with a question, guys.
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  In your news aggregator, do you have many science sites?
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  Do you get new science stories?
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  If you do, you might be familiar with headlines that say things like, gigantic creature with frightening claws discovered in the Philippines.
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  Then you go on in to find out what it's about and it turns out that there's dozens of tiny shrimp species in the area that are one or two millimeters long.
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  And now they've discovered a new gigantic one centimeter long species.
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  I enjoy reading the articles because I'm interested in that stuff.
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  But the point is they're using the term gigantic in a way that, yeah, it's technically correct, but they know it evokes an entirely different image.
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  To get clicks.
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  So it's clickbait.
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  They could describe the creature with terms that conjure up a more accurate description, but that apparently wouldn't receive as much attention.
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  So they play the game.
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  What does this have to do with you, Three Down Nation, JC and John?
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  Well, I've been around football for over 55 years now.
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  And in all that time, a headshot has always been defined as striking the crown of your helmet.
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  into your opponent's head, usually the side of the head, with an intent to injure, often called an ear hole.
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  That's the common and accepted definition.
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  That's what most fans will envision when they hear the term headshot.
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  You chose to use the unnecessarily sensationalist term to mislead and draw clicks to your site when your article on Zack's injury featured headshot in the title.
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  You knew this headline suggesting a deliberate intent to injure would mislead the public and would also draw more engagement to your site than a headline saying, oh, Collaros
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  leaves the game with apparent neck head injury.
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  You chose the more sensational form.
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  That's the very definition of clickbait, which is fine.
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  You're a business.
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  You want to get your product out there.
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  So you use the clickbait.
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  But then you're challenged on it.
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  And you talk about it in the show.
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  And do you man up?
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  Do you say, yeah, we do that.
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  Because our writing is good enough that we know once people come to the article, they'll enjoy it and they'll get them back.
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  No, no.
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  You decide to get offended.
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  You tell us how all offended you are that people are talking about clickbait in your articles.
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  And then you try to weasel out by suddenly arbitrarily and unilaterally
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  redefining headshot to something totally new and different.
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  Anytime helmets touch, that's a headshot.
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  I gotta tell you, like you, I am offended.
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  Not that you would use a clickbait headline, but rather that you're not man enough to admit it, and you think your followers are stupid enough that we won't see through your
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  defemsive of an inane justification.
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  Do better.
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  And that's about it.
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  That's what I've got to say to the boys at Three Down.
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  Any thoughts?
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  interesting because this week I just deleted that podcast without even listening to it.
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  So I didn't hear any of that.
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  And I didn't really look at it because I knew it was going to be clickbait driven because it's coming after a Rider win.
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  And no offense, but they clickbait uh Rider fans like nobody's business because they know that's the most adamant fan base and that's their business.
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  And so that's what they do.
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  So yeah.
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  I knew, you know, I just went next because I wasn't even gonna listen to it.
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  So I'm not surprised by your...
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  What's the word I want to use here not to say, but by your disapproval and disappointment of their reporting in this instance.
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  Yes.
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  Well, was specifically that they started the show by basically whining how everyone was accusing them of clickbait and then spent probably 10-15 minutes trying to justify it.
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  That's all they do!
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  That's all they do!
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, and like I said, that's fine.
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  They need to get people to the site.
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  That's how they make their living.
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  I don't mind they do that, but don't try to hide from it.
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  yeah, that's what we do.
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  That's what everybody that's on the internet does.
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  That's the only thing you can do that gets you noticed.
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  So yes, when we say something and now we're on Instagram, thanks to MJ, and we're doing the shorts that you were putting out, those are clickbaits.
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  Those are driving.
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  I get that.
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  Absolutely.
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  However, you don't defend it.
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  It is what it is.
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  It's business.
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  That's what you do.
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  They keep talking about how they're professional reporters and that's their jobs.
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  Well, then own up to it.
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  If that's your job, that's what you're doing.
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  Then, you know, that's your business.
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  That's what drives your business.
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  in my job words matter.
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  So the fact that yeah, but you're using those words and someone calls you out and you don't change.
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  Like that's the whole role of having, yeah, maybe not an editor, but someone there to say, there would have been a better word choice.
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  What's the actual truth?
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  Yeah.
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  Yes, exactly.
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  And I mean, they were saying, well, it's a short headline.
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  We have to do something.
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  It's just, just admit it.
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  And you're right, GT, we do.
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  That's the whole point.
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  We put the clips out there hoping someone will see that in one minute and go, oh, maybe I should watch the rest of that show.
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  You know, it's what we're, it's what you do.
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  It's how it works.
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  I hope we don't completely misrepresent ourselves.
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  Sorry, MJ, go ahead.
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  Catch you after.
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  said we're gonna keep MJ accountable on Instagram.
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  We won't let her have this moment.
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  Yeah, yeah, I'm sure.
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  Sure.
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  I'm sorry she's not here this week to tell us more about it get more credit.
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  But yes, that is a big announcement and I'll when she's back next week, we'll have her talk about sort of the profile or whatever she wants to.
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  But MJ has put in a lot of good work and got us on Instagram and I have no idea how it works.
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  I'm very happy she did that.
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  Yeah, that's it.
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  Soft opening,
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  moving on we'll do a quick little bit about my fantasy update.
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  I lost this week I think the official standings from the league aren't out yet so I don't know where I'll end up.
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  I picked Nathan as my quarterback and didn't have a lot of other support that was helpful so I ended up with 73 points.
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  Travis from over at two and out got 83 points and beat me by 10 points.
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  Hahaha!
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  Did you put a team together, GT
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  I did, I was worse.
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  I think probably most people had a bad week unless you decided for some obscure reason to just to go somewhere else.
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  But I think most people were leaning towards where you went with Nathan as the end of believing that they could do that because yeah, had a sick, did 61 points.
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  It was terrible.
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  It was the worst week I've had so far.
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  I picked all the wrong players.
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  I had Nathan Rourke, I had Kevin Hatcher, I had Diedrich Mills, I had Austin Mack, I had STR, I had Arkell Smith.
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  for the Elks.
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  I don't even think he played.
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  So yeah, that's how bad my team was.
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  Yeah, it was similar.
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  In the league, I gotta say, there were only, I think, of the 17 of us, I think there were only three players over 100 points.
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  And the top player had about 112 because he took Dustin Crum as the quarterback.
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  Talk about lucking out.
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  So anyway, it wasn't a good week for me.
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  I'm hoping I'm still in the playoffs.
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  I haven't even looked yet to tell you the truth who I've got next week.
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  I'll tell you on Thursday if you check or Friday now if you check into Old Man Plays CFL Fantasy where I give my tips and advice.
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  So that's about it though.
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  A few news items.
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  A couple of injuries to start with.
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  The one with Calgary.
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  Did you want to talk about that GT
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  could touch on it if you like.
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  mean, there was a couple of injuries in that game for Calgary and one before the game.
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  know, Hutchins didn't start as well.
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  But the big one, of course, was late in the game when Florian Orimolade went down.
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  And we've now found out that he's out for the year with an ACL and won't be back.
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  Obviously, that's huge.
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  He was,
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  the guy that they brought over the big trade and it had paid off and it really was.
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  He was getting double teamed and allowed Hutchins to get to the quarterback and allowed the other guys to get there on the defensive line.
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  So it's a huge loss.
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  They need to find somebody to make that up.
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  Right now I see that they went out and signed a guy named Daniel Joseph, Canadian that was drafted a few years ago.
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  bounced around the NFL for a little bit, the XFL last year was in both BC and Toronto for a few games.
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  So he's a guy.
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  He's a guy.
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  don't think he's, he's no, as I posted on the Stamps fansite, he ain't no Flo, you know?
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  And then they have Sean Peterson Jr., who's looked pretty good in limited action a couple over the last few games.
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  He wasn't playing much early in the year, but in the last two games he's come in and looked
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  pretty good.
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  He was the guy that leveled Trevor Harris in that Saskatchewan game two weeks ago when he came free.
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  so he might be an option, but they definitely need to start looking around to find somebody.
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  And that's going to be a huge hole to fill.
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  And what was, you know, people talking about is the best line in the league, all of a sudden isn't even close.
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  I look forward to during the game talking about Jaylen Hutchinson being out with it.
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  But yeah, that's that has got to hurt them somewhat.
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  We'll see what happens.
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  I don't expect them to just collapse because of that.
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  And you did mention, I forgot about it.
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  There was another injury.
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  They lost their left tackle.
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  Did they not as well?
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  Yes, they did.
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  They lost Demery early in the game and had to shift Williams out to tackle and bring in the guy whose name I can never pronounce, Jack Couric.
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  He's he was, you know who I mean?
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  Yeah.
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  And he was anyways, he was, he's been on the practice roster on and off throughout the year, injured list, whatever.
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  He's another Canadian offensive lineman that's had some experience throughout the league.
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  It was in Edmonton last year, but
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  He's again, not a starter and Williams has never played tackle before.
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  So hopefully that's only a short term thing.
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  And that was the other key.
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  So they were playing without their two American tackles from two weeks ago.
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  They did have Nichols, the rookie in at uh one tackle spot and he's played well throughout the years or when he's come in in a few games.
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  But yeah, there's some injuries starting to add up there for sure.
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  for sure.
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  Now I did hear, I did hear a, a note this week again on the board on that Dickinson was on, CH 770 CHQR in Calgary and said that, he doesn't feel like Hutchins is out for long as
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  he probably will be back in the next game.
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  And also that, um, there's a couple of other guys that are coming back as well.
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  So it may help a little bit,
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  Yeah, they'll get tested the way everybody does by injuries this time of year and it's...
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  yeah, the good thing is, the good thing is, is that they've built up a bit of a cushion at eight and even at eight and four now so that they have, three games clear of Winnipeg and
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  four games clear, four games or only maybe only three games, four games still, I think clear of Edmonton.
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  So they're comfortably in second.
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  I don't think they're going to catch the Riders now, unfortunately, for home field in the, in the West final, but they should have home field in the, in the West semi-final at
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  least.
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  So they should be able to manage to get through unless VA continues to play like they has the last couple of games.
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  And then we'll see.
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  We can talk about that during the game review.
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  exactly.
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  We'll get there.
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  And you're right.
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  sitting from the Rider's side, very appreciative of the elk for giving an extra game of cushion, but I'm still not comfortable by any means.
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  Six games, a lot of stuff could happen.
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  You don't know who's going to, what the weather's going to be, who's going to get an injury, what's going to happen.
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  So fingers are crossed and that's about the best thing here.
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  All right.
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  Calgary was the one of the only games where there wasn't like terrible conditions.
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  So for someone to have some sort of a leg injury in that game, how unfortunate.
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  All those games with rain.
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  Yeah.
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  Now that was some of the story of the weekend.
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  And there was also one other big injury that everybody's talking about.
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  So we're going to talk about it too and MJ is going to lead us into the uh discussion.
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  What do these folks have in common?
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  Dave Dickinson, Matt Dunigan, John Cornish, Shay Emory, Cory Banks.
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  All guys that have had to leave the game because of concussions and so I know the story going around...
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  I think is being overshadowed.
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  So Zach's injuries a bit being overshadowed by, what was said on the panel by Milt Stegall, this idea of Milt saying, you know, if this was my son, he would not be playing
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  another game.
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  He needs to retire.
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  And if I'm looking at this list of all of these players, yeah, head injuries are serious and something to be taken seriously.
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  And
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  was interesting.
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  Mike O'Shea, known for not giving out information and updating, he took issue with Milt Stegall specifically and said don't speculate, trust our medical team.
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  So this is a really interesting, story because yeah it is Zach's personal injury so is it our business?
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  Well maybe yeah but are we speculating?
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  we can guess he is listed as having being out with a head injury.
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  He was at practice today, Tuesday, but he didn't participate.
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  So it's really interesting
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  I think what I'm trying to get as what's the language that we're using around head injuries and are you blaming I forget was it Revis that hit him and then you have O'Shea
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  so there's so many layers to the story of what's the actual injury um how are we talking about it how
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  the coach is sort of communicating that and then everyone's opinion on what should happen next.
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  I'm curious what you guys think.
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  I don't really have an opinion per se.
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  Maybe I do, but I'm curious what you think.
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  Well, why did you jump in first, GT
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  Well, again, I didn't watch the game live, but I did go back and make sure that I watched the hit because it is available as one of the, you know, in news stories.
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  So I watched it.
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  And honestly, at first, it was a really solid.
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  It reminded me of that same that I just mentioned when, the guy from Calgary, when Sean Peterson leveled Trevor Harris, it looked like almost the exact same kind of hit.
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  except that on the replay, you can see the helmet to helmet.
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  I agree with you, what you mentioned earlier when you called it an ear hole, because that's exactly what I thought when I saw it was that was an ear hole.
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  He got him right in the side of the helmet, not crown to crown, but actually on the side of the helmet.
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  But it looked like he led mostly with his body and a heavy wrap around the ribs.
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  And I thought at first it could have been more of a rib and
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  upper body than an actual head injury and until you see at the last minute his head does kind of hit the ground It doesn't take much to hit your head especially when you've had a
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  history like Zach has had.
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  However,
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  Again, I have to give Michael O'Shea some credit because he came out and it's true, we're all jumping to conclusions.
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  We jumped to conclusions the last time he got injured.
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  We've been jumping to conclusions for five years So it's going to happen.
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  I get why it's going to happen, but we are jumping to conclusions.
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  So in Michael O'Shea's defense, he's right.
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  Let's wait and find out what the evidence is.
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  And the other thing that O'Shea said in that interview that I read, at least I read it, and maybe I misread it, but he said, Zach might even be ready to play this week.
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  if he's saying that, they're not yet 100 % sure.
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  Now, he's Mr.
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  O'Shea's also Mr.
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  look the other way, you know, nothing going on here, move along, right?
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  there may be concussion protocol that he has to go through, but it may not be a concussion and it may be a neck stinger.
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  It may be a re-aggravation of the neck injury, shoulder injury that he's had throughout this year.
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  So I don't think we need necessarily to jump right away to it's the end.
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  Well it's interesting because when he went down O'Shea was the one who threw the challenge flag to see if there was a ruffing the past call that was missed and I think yeah like at
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  first glance it did look like it was a clean sack and even the like Revis who hit him so it was a bit of a surprise watching it on the replay because I missed it the first time as
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  well
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  like you said, O'Shea's keeping cards close to the vest on what it is.
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  It says head injury, but yeah, is that a neck injury?
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  So I'm curious what happens.
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  So if he's at practice, what is the concussion protocol?
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  How many days do you have to stay or be okay?
• 21:33
  That I don't know.
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  I'm not sure of the official rules, but if they are doing anything the way a professional league should be, all of these players at the start of the year should be going in and
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  doing a baseline concussion test, which is a computer test of reaction reflexes, knowledge, ability to think, stuff like that.
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  And then after a concussion, one of the ways that you can determine that they're ready to come back is when they get closer to that baseline.
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  It's a very scientific way of doing it.
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  So hopefully they've done that.
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  And hopefully what O'Shea says is right, we should trust their medical staff.
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  My feeling on the hit, first of all, I wouldn't have called that an ear hole hit.
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  To me, an ear hole is going for the helmet with force.
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  And what I saw was a penalty, definitely.
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  He came in, he aimed with the shoulder, his helmet came up and hit it, and there was a bounce,
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  I didn't think it was enough of one I saw to have caused that injury.
• 22:29
  think if it's a concussion, it came with the hitting the ground because he hit came down and his neck snapped over pretty hard and his head did hit the ground.
• 22:38
  Now, earlier in the season, first two times he was injured, they called that a neck injury.
• 22:42
  So now they're calling it a head.
• 22:44
  But if it was a neck thing, that could have aggravated it just sort of with the whiplash kind of thing, too.
• 22:49
  I was going to ask you could, again, just because we're trying to be clear, are the bombers calling it a head injury?
• 22:55
  Because I thought the bombers were still calling it a neck injury, and only everyone else is calling it a head injury.
• 23:03
  It showed up on the injury report today as a head injury from the bombers.
• 23:07
  So take that for what it's worth with it.
• 23:11
  you know, so I think the penalty was, wasn't called.
• 23:14
  It probably should have been, honestly, four or five years ago, I don't, think that may have been waved off because it wasn't a real hard intended smash to the head, but Zach was
• 23:26
  injured.
• 23:27
  then we get
• 23:28
  To the other thing, and this is where everyone's speculating, is it head, is it neck, is it whatever?
• 23:32
  And again, I agree with Coach O'Shea, we don't know, they don't have to tell us, Zach doesn't have to tell us And frankly, Zach's a grown man, my feeling on it is Zach's a
• 23:42
  grown man.
• 23:43
  If he is putting himself in danger of causing permanent harm to himself and putting that on himself and his family,
• 23:52
  it happens, he's the one that has to live with the consequences.
• 23:55
  So yes, in that regard, he should be the one that gets to say, along with the medical staff, I'm ready to go.
• 24:04
  What I thought was significant was when Milt addressed his comments, he didn't address them to the coaching staff or the GM.
• 24:12
  He addressed them to the board of governors and the president.
• 24:17
  And I think that was because...
• 24:19
  with this situation where all this is going on and whether or not Zach, is as fragile as he appears to be, that is the situation they're in.
• 24:29
  And I could see something, whether it's head or neck, if the neck is not just muscular, if there's anything skeletal in there that's hurting it, I could see either of those causing
• 24:38
  him some type of permanent disability and his family coming back on the bombers and saying, you played him when you knew he was in this state and launching a lawsuit.
• 24:48
  So their head office may get involved.
• 24:52
  It's possible.
• 24:54
  I think, who was it, Corey Banks filed a lawsuit.
• 24:59
  em because of the concussions that he sustained and felt like he didn't get the right advice and medical advice when he was playing.
• 25:07
  it's interesting, to think, okay, yes, it's the player making their own personal choices.
• 25:12
  It's the team making a decision that's best for their team and that player, but then the league also has to think, okay, well, what's best?
• 25:19
  So there's so many layers to this injury.
• 25:22
  I think you're right.
• 25:23
  It's not just a, he got hit issue.
• 25:27
  Yeah, I mean, even take the football out of it.
• 25:30
  If you're a construction worker and you get injured on site and you go through the rehab and stuff, and then you come back to the company and say, okay, I'm ready to go to work.
• 25:39
  They're going to want to see doctor's certificates and everything because they know if they let you back in before you're ready, they're liable.
• 25:46
  That's just my thought on it.
• 25:48
  There is some protocol that they have to go through and the league's going to force them.
• 25:51
  I agree with you, Oldman that they're going to have to enforce it.
• 25:55
  Otherwise, there's a legal matter there that could come up.
• 25:59
  But if the doctors clear him and then he says, okay, now I'm medically cleared and I want to play,
• 26:06
  then you also cannot stop him from playing.
• 26:08
  can say, you can do it, sure, you can do it.
• 26:12
  The team can say, no, we don't feel you're ready and we're not gonna let you play.
• 26:17
  But I'm just saying that they're not going to, he's still their guy.
• 26:21
  They're not going to.
• 26:23
  And as we talked about last week and as MJ said last week,
• 26:27
  it's always about the win this week, not about the long term.
• 26:32
  that was my point.
• 26:34
  I think in a civil suit where it's not like a burden of evidence having to prove guilty, you could make a good case that at this point the bombers organ...
• 26:44
  If he plays for another 45 years and nothing happens, it's great.
• 26:47
  But if he goes in and somewhere between now and the end of the season, he gets a permanently disabling injury, I think that you could convince a jury that the team knew
• 26:58
  that was possible and should be liable.
• 27:01
  And it's really interesting.
• 27:03
  Milt But some of his comments were really emotional, like bringing up his son, right?
• 27:09
  And so I think maybe that's from his own experience bringing in what is football.
• 27:16
  Yeah, it's this game that we love, but also, yeah, you might be cleared to play.
• 27:21
  But should you?
• 27:22
  That was almost his question to Zach, but he did it in public.
• 27:26
  which I don't know if that's the right space to do it, it was just really interesting that he said if that was my son,
• 27:32
  I feel that too.
• 27:33
  have the personal experience.
• 27:36
  My middle son was a very good football player.
• 27:39
  Took a extremely serious concussion his last year of high school.
• 27:44
  And we went through the whole thing and made sure that he was fully prepared before he got back in.
• 27:49
  He sat out most of the season.
• 27:51
  He did play another two years, one of, what do they call it here?
• 27:56
  think midgets, the 18 to 20 year olds.
• 27:58
  And he played a year of junior.
• 28:00
  as well with the Okanagan Sun.
• 28:03
  And in the end, I don't think those made it any worse, but he still suffers some things from that.
• 28:08
  And like he was, it was a serious, serious concussion.
• 28:11
  He was out and it took him about four days to even be able to cognate properly, to think at all.
• 28:19
  In fact, we had to pin and note to his chest actually.
• 28:23
  saying what had happened in a few short sentences because he'd fall asleep and wake up and have no idea what was going on and start panicking.
• 28:32
  So it's serious.
• 28:33
  You don't want to mess around.
• 28:34
  Anyway, I think we've covered that.
• 28:36
  Anything else or any thoughts we've missed?
• 28:40
  All right.
• 28:41
  I was going to say then this is just a quick sort of observation on my part.
• 28:45
  they called this sort of the Labor Day rematch weekend or whatever.
• 28:49
  I think there was a little bit of a Labor Day hangover because it wasn't quite as strange as Labor Day.
• 28:54
  But you think about it, we had two underdog wins that we didn't expect at all.
• 28:59
  We had two offensive passing inferences, when I don't think you'd normally see one a year.
• 29:04
  And Bo Levi rushed for a touchdown for the first time in 10 years.
• 29:09
  Yeah.
• 29:10
  Yeah.
• 29:11
  bit of that liberty weirdness still hanging on around there.
• 29:14
  Yeah, well, and then you have quarterbacks being pulled and put back in.
• 29:18
  You've got missed field goals from guys who should always have them.
• 29:23
  So when as soon as I saw Labor Day Hangover, I laughed because I have my own notes of exactly that.
• 29:30
  I just didn't know what to call them.
• 29:31
  Yeah, exactly.
• 29:32
  And the one kicker who's been terrible all year hits all of his field goals.
• 29:36
  single one.
• 29:37
  Was it five for five?
• 29:39
  Five for five, we don't talk converts around here.
• 29:43
  Hahaha.
• 29:45
  Okay, anyway, so it was a good wild weekend and we're going to talk about it, before we get to that, couple other things.
• 29:53
  It was announced today that the Argonauts have activated Chad Kelly, but aren't saying if they'll dress him for the game and have named Nick Arbuckle as a starter for this week.
• 30:04
  So that's the news.
• 30:06
  Anything worth talking about on it?
• 30:08
  Any thoughts or?
• 30:09
  going to channel my inner MJ1 and just say I'm done talking about Chad Kelly.
• 30:14
  Yeah.
• 30:15
  Yeah, I think that I think it's the best decision that they could make.
• 30:18
  I think it's the right decision at this point in time.
• 30:20
  It's also a surprising decision, but it's the it's the one.
• 30:25
  Dinwiidie he said it's a week to week, so they're going to ease them back in.
• 30:30
  So he might be depending on how the outcome of the game, he might even play a few, plays throughout the game.
• 30:34
  He might play a quarter.
• 30:36
  Who knows, right?
• 30:36
  When he comes back in and then but I suspect by the following week.
• 30:42
  he's probably going to be behind center.
• 30:44
  I'm curious how players respond and react because very different style of leadership But I don't know if that translates.
• 30:53
  If you're good at throwing a ball and threading it and hitting your receivers, I'm curious to see, if he's doing well, do you stick with, yeah.
• 31:04
  yeah.
• 31:05
  Dinwiddie also said in the same, or at least in the same article, he was quoted as saying, make no mistake, it's Chad Kelly's team.
• 31:11
  As soon as he's ready, he'll be in there.
• 31:13
  So, and then I guess we'll see how the players react.
• 31:17
  All right, something else here that I get to learn about now too, because the both MJ and GT said to me not too long before the show, we've got to talk about this and I've heard
• 31:29
  nothing about it.
• 31:29
  Something around the bills, which of you wants to tell me about this?
• 31:34
  Well, actually, when I looked at it, MJ, you had all of the notes written out, everything that basically you had sent us a recap of that email or of the story in Three Down and on
• 31:46
  TSN and what was put out by, I guess, the Bills and MLSE today.
• 31:51
  What it comes down to is that our friends at the company I hate the most in the world.
• 31:56
  have decided that again, they're going to revitalize this Bills thing, but the Buffalo Bills in Toronto that they tried a few years ago when they were robbing people left, right
• 32:05
  and center and people surprisingly love to be robbed.
• 32:08
  They just in this market, they love to be robbed.
• 32:10
  You can just charge whatever you want for anything that has big time attached to it and they will just fall over themselves to give you money.
• 32:19
  they did that for, you know, in that series a few years ago when the Bills played some games in Toronto.
• 32:25
  And now the son has decided that he will follow his dad's footsteps and revitalize the Bills in Toronto through the back door.
• 32:33
  And he's calling it something else and he's trying to do something else, but it's the same thing.
• 32:39
  It's basically invading Toronto and surrounding area all the way through with
• 32:46
  Buffalo Bills paraphernalia and NFL paraphernalia.
• 32:49
  It allows MLSE in an agreement, a partnership, love the term, a partnership with the Buffalo Bills to be able to sell paraphernalia from the Bills at all of their outlets,
• 33:02
  including during all of their MLSE games.
• 33:05
  So at Raptor games, Leaf games, and at...
• 33:09
  TFC games and at Argo games you will now have in those in their stores Buffalo Bills apparel You will now have they are set up this thing.
• 33:18
  So they are now doing a coaching clinic for youth where it's going to be Set up so that apparently 200 kids have already done something today where they have Buffalo Bills
• 33:29
  sponsored players coaches and Argo coaches I don't know about Bills players, but Argo's players as well as
• 33:36
  think it was some players.
• 33:38
  Yeah.
• 33:38
  some players as well coming in and basically they're just taking over the territory and MLSC and Rogers is fully funding this and fully paying for it.
• 33:49
  If it's a partnership, my question is, is there Argo material at the Bills store?
• 33:55
  Are they doing anything in Buffalo selling CFL football?
• 33:58
  Are they doing anything at all to promote the Argonauts in upper state New York?
• 34:03
  Are they doing anything at all to promote the Tiger Cats in Upper State New York?
• 34:07
  They are doing nothing.
• 34:09
  This is just, sorry, I'm ranting now, but this is what it is.
• 34:12
  It's a scam.
• 34:14
  It's a typical Rogers, what is left of MLSC scam to just line their pockets again and do what they can to attach themselves.
• 34:25
  I said it when they, they,
• 34:27
  when they talked about putting this temporary stadium in Toronto at the Downsview site they're now holding concerts at, it's conveniently enough called the Rogers Stadium there.
• 34:37
  And I just said, they're gonna weasel their way into getting that land that's supposed to be for housing.
• 34:42
  And that's where, if they can build a stadium, that's where they will build a stadium.
• 34:47
  And they will try to weasel their way into getting us to pay for it.
• 34:50
  And I hope that this city says no.
• 34:52
  You know what?
• 34:53
  I've got an old button from the 90s that was,
• 34:56
  relevant then and maybe not so much now but i might just put it back on it says the cfl is alive and well the nfl can go to hell i've still got the button and i might just start
• 35:06
  wearing it they're going to actually at the argo game two weeks from now i think it's two weeks from now they're going to actually give out Bill's paraphernalia to every fan that
• 35:16
  walks in and try to sell this as being something
• 35:20
  that this is good for the Argos.
• 35:22
  It's not good for the Argos at all.
• 35:24
  It's just, again, Rogers trying to attract their own and sell their own stuff so that they can then eventually weasel their way into hopefully either getting the bills ownership in
• 35:37
  Buffalo or getting the bills and moving them here, which is what their ultimate goal has been for years upon years upon years.
• 35:46
  End of rant.
• 35:47
  my rant is this idea that they are, and this is maybe the smallest part of it, but for me, this really got me is they are hosting all these watch parties.
• 35:58
  Well, are you hosting it for the Argos or are you only hosting it for the Bills and you have a chance to win Bills tickets?
• 36:04
  And so it all is about...
• 36:06
  the bills in Toronto?
• 36:08
  What about Argos packages?
• 36:09
  What about the soccer?
• 36:11
  What about the basketball?
• 36:14
  when you wrote scam, all I immediately thought was, and I think I emailed this, you follow the money.
• 36:20
  Like, is this what's good for the game?
• 36:23
  I personally am with you, GT.
• 36:25
  I don't, I'm on your bandwagon.
• 36:28
  More pins.
• 36:30
  there's nothing here that's good for the Argos.
• 36:32
  I don't care how they couch it.
• 36:34
  I don't care what they say.
• 36:35
  There is nothing here unless they come out tomorrow with a clarification that all those points that I just mentioned about Canadian football being talked about and being shown
• 36:45
  and being highlighted and being taught the differences in in Upper State New York and Argo stuff being available,
• 36:52
  I'd like to know how, if the Bill's numbers are down this year, if the Seahawks numbers are down this year for people not crossing the border, because it is thousands of people
• 37:04
  that cross the border every year to go to those games.
• 37:07
  And given the nonsense at the borders between these two countries these days, do you really want to risk crossing the border,
• 37:14
  I'm not willing to go across.
• 37:16
  Sorry, go ahead, MJ.
• 37:17
  was quicker sometimes to drive down to Buffalo than it was to Toronto depending on traffic.
• 37:21
  hockey.
• 37:22
  We used to go down to watch Sabres games.
• 37:24
  Well the tickets were cheaper but I just think, yeah what is this gonna do for the Argos?
• 37:29
  Like I hate the Argos, Argos suck but I need them to be in the league because they are my rival.
• 37:34
  Yeah, they, shouldn't lose them.
• 37:37
  And the, and the thing is I don't really have a lot to say about this.
• 37:40
  I'm not surprised.
• 37:42
  This isn't new to me.
• 37:43
  I'm not the least bit surprised, I don't understand how people get so sucked into the glitz of the NFL because I'll be honest, I got bored with it a couple of years ago and I
• 37:56
  don't think I've watched an NFL game in probably two and a half years until
• 38:02
  Yesterday, my middle spawn came to me and said, did you see that Buffalo Baltimore game?
• 38:10
  What a fantastic game.
• 38:12
  And I said, no, I haven't seen it yet.
• 38:16
  He said, let me show you the, I don't watch NFL.
• 38:18
  He said, let me send you the link.
• 38:20
  You watch this.
• 38:21
  This is a great game.
• 38:22
  I watched it.
• 38:23
  It was as good as an NFL game could get.
• 38:26
  I believe Buffalo came back and won 41 40 in the last seconds of the game.
• 38:32
  a CFL finish.
• 38:33
  still boring as hell.
• 38:36
  Two yard run after two yard run after two yard run.
• 38:40
  Just nothing going on at all.
• 38:42
  The odd pass there and the 45 second time clock.
• 38:48
  It's like sitting at a lecture listening to them to talk to it.
• 38:52
  And then you get into the last two minutes of the game when it's supposed to be exciting and it's a continual.
• 38:57
  One minute stoppage, 30 second stoppage, 30 second stoppage, because they're both trying to stop the clock.
• 39:04
  Why?
• 39:05
  Here's a tip for the NFL.
• 39:06
  You want to make your game better?
• 39:07
  Drop those three timeouts because a timeout is there when you need to do strategy and you're not using them for that.
• 39:13
  And change it to every team gets one timeout and two clock stoppages.
• 39:20
  They stop the clock and then you go right back in and snap the ball.
• 39:22
  We don't have to sit around all this time.
• 39:24
  It is such boring football and that's a high scoring, exciting NFL game.
• 39:30
  How do people look at that and then look at the CFL and say, that's so much better than the CFL.
• 39:35
  Follow the money as we talked about earlier.
• 39:37
  It's all about the money.
• 39:39
  And listen, I don't watch the NFL.
• 39:42
  So I will make no comment on the league or on the game itself.
• 39:45
  I'm not upset with the NFL.
• 39:47
  I'm not upset with the Bills.
• 39:48
  I get it.
• 39:49
  That's their job is to, is to expand their footprint.
• 39:53
  it amazes me nonstop how people will just fall over themselves in running towards things because they're told they're supposed to.
• 40:04
  you talked about MJ, the tickets in Buffalo for the Sabres, they're a third of the price of the Leafs, we used to drive all the way to Detroit, back and forth from Toronto to
• 40:12
  Detroit to see Raptors games, because I could pay for gas, pay for ticket, pay for food, and not spend the price, for two of us, and not spend the price of one ticket to a Raptors
• 40:23
  game.
• 40:24
  The Toronto sports market is, other than the Argos, is the most expensive sports market in North America.
• 40:31
  It is ridiculous what they charged.
• 40:33
  They were charging $1,000 a ticket Canadian when they brought the bills here for those games.
• 40:42
  you know what Ted Rogers said?
• 40:44
  We'll charge them whatever they want.
• 40:45
  They're going to pay it.
• 40:46
  It's the NFL.
• 40:47
  That was his quote.
• 40:49
  Quote unquote.
• 40:50
  he was right.
• 40:51
  the league comes down on this.
• 40:53
  I know wouldn't they have some kind of maybe not rules but guidelines I'm so curious to see if there is any sort of word from CFL or what's the commissioner think about this
• 41:05
  because it isn't promoting the game.
• 41:08
  It's about the merchandising, so I wonder who has the rights to the merchandise.
• 41:13
  Anyway, this is frustrating.
• 41:16
  It's NFL and Bill's merchandise.
• 41:18
  Merchandise.
• 41:20
  It's not Argo's merchandise.
• 41:22
  merchandise at one of the games.
• 41:24
  So they're having this, I forget what it was called, this big football themed game day where they're doing some Bills and Argos together merchandise.
• 41:33
  As a ticket holder for the Argos, and I hope every Argo fan is insulted, I'm going to throw that as far as I can back onto the field.
• 41:42
  That is the most outrageous thing they were doing in this whole scam, is that they're not only scamming everyone that's an NFL fan, they're trying to scam us and make us believe
• 41:52
  that we should be excited by this.
• 41:54
  how dumb do you think we are?
• 41:57
  we know what this is.
• 41:58
  give it up.
• 41:59
  You know, like, and then to insult us on top of that by giving us a towel or a t-shirt with the Argos and Bills on it, that's just a straight out slapped it in the face to every
• 42:12
  single Argos fan at that game.
• 42:14
  It's unbelievable.
• 42:16
  the thing is, the CFL is too small of a league to have the power to do anything about it with MLSE They're a huge company and that's just, the reality, but they should be able to,
• 42:25
  because I mean, think about it.
• 42:26
  If the New York Giants suddenly, I don't know what the, the top soccer teams in the world are anymore are, you know, I, I'm still Man United used to be great.
• 42:36
  So that's I think is great.
• 42:37
  But if
• 42:38
  If the New York Giants suddenly started a big program of selling Man United merchandise at their store and weaving it into their games and everything, do think the NFL would put up
• 42:46
  with that?
• 42:46
  It wouldn't happen.
• 42:48
  why, why is the CFL okay with this?
• 42:50
  because they're a smaller league and they don't have the financial power to and clout They need MLSC more than MLSC needs them.
• 42:57
  And then devils advocate me says I need the Argos to survive so the Ti cats have someone to hate.
• 43:04
  I don't think that we're going on a long time about this and I don't think we intended to, but I think, as I said, it's the most important news of the week, in my opinion.
• 43:13
  And I don't think this is about the Argo surviving.
• 43:15
  I don't think this is the death knell.
• 43:17
  I don't have any of those kinds of concepts because the reality is the NFL
• 43:22
  are never coming to Toronto.
• 43:25
  Why would they come to Toronto?
• 43:26
  They own the marketplace anyways.
• 43:29
  Toronto does nothing for their broadcasting television revenue because it doesn't matter in their ratings, because it doesn't count in their US ratings.
• 43:39
  Adding a marketing Canada means absolutely nothing to their ratings in America.
• 43:43
  So you do not add any money or any funding.
• 43:46
  The only way it makes money for the NFL as a league
• 43:51
  is in the franchise rights.
• 43:53
  Do you know what an NFL franchise costs these days to buy?
• 43:56
  About $5 billion.
• 43:58
  Do you know what an NFL stadium builds about to cost now?
• 44:03
  About $3 billion.
• 44:05
  Those are American funds.
• 44:06
  That's $8 billion American.
• 44:08
  That becomes about $12 billion Canadian.
• 44:12
  Do you think em MLSE is going to spend $12 billion?
• 44:15
  Good luck.
• 44:17
  They're not spending that kind of money when they would rather somehow buy the bills and keep them in New York because that makes more sense to them.
• 44:25
  unless Toronto gets an Olympics, there's no way the government is spending money to build them a stadium.
• 44:33
  And that's the only way they're going to get a stadium built Rogers is not building their own.
• 44:38
  I see you have feelings on this.
• 44:41
  And I don't disagree.
• 44:42
  mean, why would they, frankly, why would MLSE try to bring a franchise in if they can start getting some of the merchandising money by partnering with Buffalo anyway?
• 44:51
  And don't forget, this is not, this is not a new topic.
• 44:55
  It was back in the 1970s that the, first came up and the government stepped in and said, no NFL teams in Canada.
• 45:02
  I don't.
• 45:03
  I don't think today's government would do that, but that's how long the story is.
• 45:07
  That was actually the old WFL, the World Football League in the Toronto Northmen.
• 45:11
  That was the team that they were going to bring here initially.
• 45:14
  that was also at that time, again, strangely enough, the Bassett family that owned the Leafs at the time, and that was also the owner of the Argos.
• 45:23
  these same guys that own one football team want to kill it by bringing in another one.
• 45:27
  so then they tried to move to London.
• 45:30
  And the liberals, the federal liberals who were in power at the time brought in a law that said you were not allowed to bring a Canadian or an American, not an NFL, but an American
• 45:39
  football team into Canada.
• 45:41
  And that law has since rescinded, so it's no longer in place.
• 45:45
  But then they moved to, I believe it was to Memphis and became the Memphis Southmen of the World Football League back in the day.
• 45:54
  I'm going to have to double check on that because my memory is absolutely horrendous, but I remember it very specifically as an NFL team.
• 46:03
  And the part that makes me think that that still may be true is there was American teams in Canada.
• 46:08
  Montreal Machine of the World Football League was here.
• 46:10
  that was post that law being rescinded.
• 46:17
  Anyways, I went to...
• 46:21
  Yeah, you're right.
• 46:22
  reminiscing for losing people.
• 46:24
  think, okay, I think we're all disgusted and we'll leave it there.
• 46:27
  uh Yes.
• 46:30
  Well, yeah.
• 46:31
  I mean, come on, support the team that you own.
• 46:34
  Anyway, speaking of teams, not the Argos, but Eastern teams, the other bit of news here is that
• 46:41
  ah Apparently there's been a miraculous healing of MBT's elbow and the Elowettes have pulled him off the six game list, which I assume means he's probably gonna be starting
• 46:51
  against the Ryder's this weekend and I'm not unhappy.
• 46:55
  Any thoughts?
• 46:57
  No, we've told people move on.
• 46:58
  So week or two back, MJ, the other MJ gave us a bit of a game to play.
• 47:08
  about giving us five names and ranking them blind.
• 47:11
  So MJ2 is going to do the same.
• 47:14
  yeah, I felt inspired.
• 47:18
  This is more of a memory game, if I'm being honest.
• 47:23
  I don't know if this is true yet, but Trevor Harris may have or is one touchdown away from coming to 200.
• 47:31
  touchdown passes.
• 47:33
  And so in honor of Trevor Harris almost breaking the 200 number, I have a game here.
• 47:38
  So number one would be the most touchdown passes and number five would be like the least So I'm going to give you five names and see if you can put them most touchdown passes.
• 47:50
  And I've got one from everyone's team here.
• 47:53
  first we'll start with Trevor Harris.
• 47:56
  So 1 to 5, 1 being the most.
• 47:59
  most for his team or the most in the league?
• 48:01
  overall, in the league, in league history.
• 48:04
  Sorry, yes.
• 48:05
  touchdown.
• 48:06
  200 career, so 199, almost 200.
• 48:09
  Okay, so I'm gonna put...
• 48:13
  here?
• 48:13
  He could...
• 48:13
  You could be anywhere from one to five.
• 48:15
  I'm going to go.
• 48:16
  So five is high or low.
• 48:18
  uh Five is the least amount of touchdowns.
• 48:21
  One is the most.
• 48:24
  Thrown.
• 48:25
  and I will as well.
• 48:26
  That's where I think.
• 48:27
  Okay, your next one is Zack Collaros
• 48:32
  I'm trying to remember the stats when they showed them that a week or so ago they were on the screen and they were right beside each other.
• 48:38
  so I'm going to put Zach at three.
• 48:41
  Yep, if Trevor's four is that would have to be three, I think.
• 48:44
  I think there was one other in between them, but I'm going to play the odds.
• 48:47
  Okay, Anthony Cavillo, AC.
• 48:52
  Eww, he's got a lot of records, does he have the most touchdown passes?
• 48:56
  I'm gonna go one just in case and if you throw out a name suddenly that drives me crazy I'm gonna scream.
• 49:03
  I'm going with two.
• 49:04
  OK, Bo Levi Mitchell.
• 49:07
  Well, sitting on the list the way we've got it so far, I've got to put him at two.
• 49:09
  He's certainly not five.
• 49:12
  Yeah, I've got to go back to five though.
• 49:15
  Cause I cause I'm saving my number one for some guy like, you know, Jerry Keeling.
• 49:21
  Yeah
• 49:21
  on the list.
• 49:22
  Our last one, our last name, Henry Burris
• 49:27
  Well I-
• 49:27
  I'll see you.
• 49:28
  All right, so I I met this
• 49:30
  one left and I think I'm wrong there.
• 49:32
  Yeah, yeah, okay, so I would have, yeah, I put, I'll have to put it at number one, it's gonna be wrong.
• 49:37
  So I played the game wrong, but that's okay.
• 49:40
  I think both of you got pretty close.
• 49:42
  So Anthony Cavillo, number one, 455.
• 49:47
  Henry Burris, number two, 373.
• 49:49
  Zach Caleros, number three, with 212.
• 49:54
  Trevor Harris, not quite 200.
• 49:56
  And then Bo Levi Mitchell is number five.
• 49:59
  And I didn't have time to look up how many, but yeah.
• 50:01
  I thought Bo had more than Zack and Trevor.
• 50:04
  Hmm, interesting.
• 50:05
  list again.
• 50:06
  again, I am basing this on the TSN numbers.
• 50:10
  So if it is Bow Levi having more, then I will be glad to say I was wrong.
• 50:16
  Well, I'm not questioning you.
• 50:18
  When I think about it, it makes sense.
• 50:19
  Those Calgary teams scored a lot of rushing touchdowns when Bo was quarterback.
• 50:24
  He threw a lot, but when it got down to the touchdowns, there was a lot of running touchdowns.
• 50:30
  I suspect you're right.
• 50:33
  those are all time.
• 50:36
  That's interesting.
• 50:37
  That's very interesting.
• 50:39
  Again, I would have thought that there was going to be one classic kind of, as I said, a Jerry Keeling, a Peter Lisk.
• 50:50
  a Normie Kwong, a Doug Flutie, you know, from the 90s who were thrown, know, thrown, and from the 60s where guys played for years and years and years, even though their scores
• 51:02
  were not as inflated, I would have thought that they would have made in that list in the top five.
• 51:09
  Enter.
• 51:09
  the TSN list that they had.
• 51:11
  Anthony Calvillo, number one.
• 51:12
  Then Damon Allen, Henry Burris, Ron Lancaster, Zach Collaros Dieter Brock.
• 51:22
  Henry Burris, no, Trevor Harris.
• 51:25
  I already said Henry Burris.
• 51:26
  Trevor Harris.
• 51:27
  And then I added Bolivai Mitchell, because I wanted a TI cat on there.
• 51:30
  Yeah, yeah, which is pretty cool when you when you think that, know, two or three of them are playing right now.
• 51:36
  But yeah, Damon Allen was the name that I that I wasn't sure if he might have had more than Calvio.
• 51:42
  And the other thing is I didn't think Lancaster, but he was sitting out there and then Sam the rifle was back there somewhere, too.
• 51:47
  So, you know, good game, MJ.
• 51:50
  Thank you.
• 51:52
  Hopefully people played along and did a little better than I did.
• 51:56
  Alrighty, I think we're getting to the point now where we're an hour in.
• 52:00
  So we have had fun talking about these things.
• 52:02
  We've got games to talk about too though.
• 52:04
  So let's see what we can do here.
• 52:06
  So the first one was the Friday night thing.
• 52:09
  The BC went into Ottawa and everyone, including myself, we all, think everybody in the entire Pick'em picked BC in this one.
• 52:19
  It was, I've heard nothing but complaints about the fact.
• 52:22
  In fact,
• 52:22
  listening around to other people out there, we going two and two this weekend, I think puts us in probably the top third of the pickers.
• 52:30
  I've heard so many people going out at four and went three, one and three or one and four, one and three.
• 52:36
  Anyway, so we went into this game and the first thing that occurred to me was I went to the pregame show and TSM threw up, on their little promo card.
• 52:46
  You click on that.
• 52:47
  Here's, here's where I go to the pregame show.
• 52:49
  Rod Smith hasn't done the pregame show in five years and it's still his face sitting right there saying it.
• 52:55
  I think it's time to update that to Kate.
• 52:58
  But anyway, it was a weird game.
• 53:01
  I won't go through the whole thing with it, but it was another weather game.
• 53:06
  It was a dark and stormy night.
• 53:08
  Might've affected Nathan, might not have.
• 53:12
  or BC got looked like they were going to.
• 53:15
  come out and run away with it.
• 53:16
  And then in the second half their defense kind of crumbled and we had a Crumm back.
• 53:21
  That was a last minute sort of thing.
• 53:24
  We'll go into a lot more detail but I won't bother doing that.
• 53:27
  I'll let you guys talk about which parts of the game you liked or what you might have seen.
• 53:31
  My favorite part happened before, well I've got three highlights before even the game.
• 53:36
  Number one, the coach's dog on the field that they were showing.
• 53:40
  Yes, more dogs.
• 53:41
  That Luke Wilson had to stand in the rain made me happy.
• 53:44
  What was my third thing?
• 53:45
  The crumb back.
• 53:46
  Come on, Dwayne Ford.
• 53:48
  Like Marshall Ferguson and Dwayne Ford should not be allowed to commentate together because they are so cheesy.
• 53:54
  I enjoyed it though.
• 53:56
  Yes, yes, and if Luke is going to keep getting assigned games like that, he's got to work on his hair product.
• 54:02
  Yeah, I've been saying that all year.
• 54:05
  I, it was interesting.
• 54:06
  thought like, yeah, first quarter was like nothing going on at all.
• 54:10
  It was just, it was back and forth, but there was no excitement to it at all.
• 54:15
  I thought again, is it just BC?
• 54:17
  You know, like Hatcher dropped a pass, McInnis dropped a pass and then, and then Hardy dropped a pass.
• 54:22
  And I thought, well, maybe it is the weather.
• 54:24
  Yeah, it was just, it wasn't.
• 54:26
  a great game, but it was still somehow exciting.
• 54:29
  And then we had the ending that we all wanted, it's unbelievable, but it happened again.
• 54:33
  Right?
• 54:34
  yeah, it was, and again, you can't blame Rourke It is this defense in BC that just allows teams to, they sat back and let that pass happen.
• 54:46
  They sat back again.
• 54:48
  and just allowed Ottawa to come down the field and they shouldn't be so passive.
• 54:53
  And I keep saying it, but Benavides is not the guy there.
• 54:57
  Nope.
• 54:58
  Turf him, promote Ryan Phillips, you can do it under the salary cap.
• 55:05
  I was gonna say like the only people I really had written down on my game notes were Lewis, Crum, Milton, Pimpleton and then I realized oh these are all Ottawa players and I
• 55:13
  know BC did do like Missouli had two carries for two yards everyone just to let us all know but I thought that
• 55:21
  For a game where my family tends to be more on the BC side and I pay attention to BC more, the names I had written down as being the most entertained by were the Ottawa players and
• 55:31
  I think that's the first time this season I feel like I can say that.
• 55:34
  Crum is such, I just love him.
• 55:36
  He looks like a great big, this is me, no disrespect to that, but he looks like a great big goof out there.
• 55:45
  He looks like he's just stumbling around with no idea of what he's doing.
• 55:49
  His running isn't this graceful glide or these sharp cuts or anything.
• 55:55
  It looks like he's about to fall over at any moment and he gets ridiculous amounts of yards and he's actually
• 56:01
  starting to turn into a passer.
• 56:03
  I mean, if they keep working his accuracy, who knows?
• 56:06
  He didn't, he had mostly passable throws in that game, a few bad ones, one great throw and he saved it for when he needed it because that was with, what was it?
• 56:16
  Something like 30 seconds left And he got the 55 yarder to Pimpleton and then they're in the end zone, convert and they win.
• 56:25
  Just absolutely amazing.
• 56:28
  you can't blame Nathan for this loss, but he also did not contribute terribly well.
• 56:34
  He didn't have a great game.
• 56:35
  I'm, that's one thing we'll talk about when we get to prediction for next week.
• 56:38
  I'm really struggling with it.
• 56:40
  Was it the Ottawa defense or was it the game conditions?
• 56:43
  Cause
• 56:44
  I agree.
• 56:45
  he didn't look terrific by any means to you.
• 56:47
  I mean, it wasn't bad statistically, but there wasn't a lot of This game's exciting and he's just like on fire like he's been in a few other games, right?
• 56:56
  It just was like they were going to they were either going to manage to eke out a win or they were going to blow it and they blew it.
• 57:04
  There was one point when I can't remember if was Dwayne or Marshall was talking about Nathan and saying, the thing is with Nathan, you don't have to worry.
• 57:12
  He's the consummate professional and he'll sort this out.
• 57:15
  And as they're doing this, there's a shot of him with his helmet off and he just looked like, I don't know what's going on.
• 57:21
  Looked completely unprepared.
• 57:23
  I have on here, I have a note that just says Rourke lots of running around.
• 57:27
  Is he actually even doing anything?
• 57:29
  So like he got a bit of time, but where is he going?
• 57:33
  Like in this kind of conditions you need those short passes.
• 57:36
  So are those receivers coming back to make those plays happen?
• 57:39
  You can't always maybe rely.
• 57:42
  Like I have on here a note.
• 57:43
  Eberhart
• 57:45
  just kept getting hit in the middle consistently over and over.
• 57:48
  don't know how many times he touched the football but it just reminded me of like old-time Dave Stalart.
• 57:52
  Like you know you can rely on him and I thought well why aren't you doing some of those plays more and moving up the field instead of trying to make something bigger happen.
• 58:00
  Yeah I felt that this was not Rourke's game at all.
• 58:05
  No, they, the whole team just did not, I didn't think look sharp at all.
• 58:10
  And don't forget, they had a chance.
• 58:12
  I mean, we're not recapping all this.
• 58:14
  So hopefully the folks out there have seen the game.
• 58:15
  If not, we're, we're kind of giving you an idea, but, don't forget with like a minute to go, or I don't think it was a minute, minute 33 Ottawa turned it over on downs and their
• 58:28
  defense held BC to a long field goal attempt, which they missed.
• 58:33
  Yeah.
• 58:33
  it to the 40.
• 58:34
  They took an unnecessary roughness or to the 30, guess, took an unnecessary roughness up to the 48, set up all that stuff.
• 58:40
  So, so full credit to Ottawa for what they did.
• 58:44
  There were a few times when they got near the end zone where things were happening.
• 58:48
  Like there was, I think it was in the third quarter.
• 58:50
  I don't know if this one got called back on a challenge, but there was that fumble near the end zone.
• 58:56
  So there were some weird things happening that...
• 59:01
  yeah that may have been weather related but I also think and maybe this is not all of the receivers fault but I do think that like how do you adapt to that into the game and I
• 59:12
  don't think that BC had the answer to what Ottawa was bringing.
• 59:16
  and don't forget that seven or six of BC's points came on a punt return.
• 59:20
  So they weren't offensive points either.
• 59:22
  And I'll say this, this is one of the things that I always mark down in my notes, because I just, I love football players that understand it's all about effort.
• 59:32
  You can put everything you've got into it and not have it go your way.
• 59:36
  But sometimes if you put everything you've got into it, it does go your way.
• 59:40
  And on that punt return, Dubois, the fullback for Ottawa, who was
• 59:46
  losing ground the whole way to Seven McGee did not let up until McGee crossed the goal line.
• 59:54
  It was, you never know, maybe he stumbles, maybe something happens.
• 59:58
  And I love that kind of effort.
• 59:59
  That is pure football to me.
• 1:00:01
  Old coach coming out of me, sorry.
• 1:00:03
  it's interesting because TSM was saying, I forget who said it, that that was their first special teams touchdown of the year.
• 1:00:09
  So if you're coaching against that, good on that guy for doing that run down.
• 1:00:14
  Because I don't know, you wouldn't assume that BC would do it, but they did it.
• 1:00:20
  But you didn't give up on the play.
• 1:00:22
  the return game for a while.
• 1:00:24
  the stat that blew me away and the comment that blew me away, came up early and then came up again in the third quarter and it changed in the third quarter.
• 1:00:32
  But in the second quarter, they said Ottawa has been down by at least 14 points in eight of their 11 games.
• 1:00:42
  That's, and I just went, that's unbelievable.
• 1:00:45
  And then in the third quarter,
• 1:00:47
  I think they changed it to down by 17 points in something like nine games that I went, what?
• 1:00:53
  How could it get worse?
• 1:00:55
  It was incredible that they've been down by that large an amount in almost every game of the year and they've managed to somehow win four.
• 1:01:05
  It's incredible.
• 1:01:06
  give them credit, they don't give up.
• 1:01:08
  If nothing else, they don't give up.
• 1:01:10
  yeah, there's lots of heart there.
• 1:01:13
  I don't know who was doing the interview.
• 1:01:15
  Again, I have notes, but are they detailed?
• 1:01:17
  No.
• 1:01:17
  But it said that during the Redblacks interview, it was the word execute in the locker room.
• 1:01:23
  So yeah, making sure you run down that special play all the way to the end.
• 1:01:27
  It's coming back.
• 1:01:28
  It's doing all of those things.
• 1:01:29
  Yeah, we are behind.
• 1:01:31
  But if we execute every play, if we execute, everyone does their job properly.
• 1:01:37
  And so yeah, that work ethic, think if you're used to losing, you got to have something.
• 1:01:43
  But it paid off in the end for them in this game, Like Lewis, like he was blocking, he was receiving, doing all those things, executing all the plays.
• 1:01:55
  full credit to them.
• 1:01:56
  And Pimbleton took, think it was an offsides penalty that cost him a big play earlier and then he comes back with that catch But the other note, I'll guess this is the last thing I
• 1:02:05
  have to say about this game.
• 1:02:05
  I think I noticed it about three times on the game.
• 1:02:08
  This was from Buck Pierce after Nathan threw an interception that got returned back to fairly close and then they ended up Ottawa getting a touchdown.
• 1:02:17
  Beautiful interception.
• 1:02:18
  Absolutely no hint.
• 1:02:20
  of PI, it's still not that far into the game really, and out comes the challenge flag.
• 1:02:26
  So I'm thinking I need to put together a training course for coaches on how to challenge.
• 1:02:32
  And the first rule is this, trust your eyes, not what you want to have happened.
• 1:02:37
  they just keep doing it.
• 1:02:38
  Well, maybe something miraculous, maybe somehow we missed something and the replay center will save us.
• 1:02:45
  m
• 1:02:46
  Was it last week one of you said Buck Pierce shouldn't be allowed to have a challenge flag or was that Dickinson?
• 1:02:51
  I can't remember.
• 1:02:52
  Just give it to someone else.
• 1:02:53
  Make him have to sign it out when he wants to use it.
• 1:02:57
  Alrighty.
• 1:02:58
  So anything else from you guys on this or moving along?
• 1:03:02
  We will along.
• 1:03:04
  Okay, so that took us to game two where Hamilton went into Montreal and took away a 20-26 to 9 victory.
• 1:03:14
  Why did you tell us about that MJ?
• 1:03:16
  So I had to look at the score again because I knew that Hamilton had won, but at no point during the game did I ever feel like it was a sure win.
• 1:03:25
  And so I don't know what that says about me as a Ti Cat fan, but that's the kind of season it's been.
• 1:03:31
  But I thought, yeah, they kept going on and on about how this is a must-win, and it was when you look at the standings.
• 1:03:37
  And so very happy that Hamilton was able to pull out that win.
• 1:03:41
  If we lived in the same city, I would have delivered you both kazoos, and then we could have just...
• 1:03:47
  I know my sister loves the noise, but I was like, what?
• 1:03:51
  Why is that?
• 1:03:51
  I thought it was the birds out in my yard so I had the TV muted.
• 1:03:55
  Anyway, one of my favorite things that happened during this game was on the sideline Alexander in the third quarter starts chirping.
• 1:04:04
  here's this guy who is on the sideline not even dressed involved.
• 1:04:08
  He's not up in the booth he's down there with the guys and he is chirping.
• 1:04:13
  Lawler on the sidelines and I thought that's that's kind of fun.
• 1:04:17
  Like he's in the game.
• 1:04:19
  He's into it.
• 1:04:20
  My other favorite thing was yeah for Maltos Like I know that the Thai cats did win but I was very happy that if there were to be a lot of points had that maltose had all of them.
• 1:04:32
  So I got married on the long weekend and my nephew wanted a selfie with us and his selfie was the Maltos flex.
• 1:04:40
  happy he was able to do it three times, even though his team was.
• 1:04:44
  learned that.
• 1:04:45
  But I thought this was, like I said, I never at one point felt very secure in this game until I think even until the fourth quarter as soon as they took the quarterback out and
• 1:04:59
  they put Dukes in I was like okay.
• 1:05:02
  Montreal's conceding here so maybe I can start to breathe easy.
• 1:05:07
  But yeah, where was the defense for the Alouettes?
• 1:05:11
  I thought they just got destroyed in that run game.
• 1:05:14
  Bell had 20 carries for 156 yards.
• 1:05:18
  they had 234 rushing yards the Ti cats so and white 42 yard run so I just thought where like the Als defense I think really let them down I'd love to hear what you guys thought
• 1:05:30
  what you saw.
• 1:05:31
  Well, I thought sort of like you did, it didn't really feel like it was out of reach until late.
• 1:05:36
  It was only 13.9 at the half.
• 1:05:39
  Hamilton should have been up a lot more.
• 1:05:42
  Their first drive, Bell fumbled on the one yard line and Burns recovered it and returned it back.
• 1:05:47
  Their next drive, they're going nicely and Burns picks them off.
• 1:05:50
  So the first two drives, they were holding them in it
• 1:05:52
  Morgan is a fourth string so I didn't expect a lot out of him.
• 1:05:56
  Bo didn't look quite as good as I would have expected.
• 1:05:58
  He wasn't his normal 300 yard stuff, but I forgot when I was gonna throw this to you, I was gonna say the title for this game in my mind was, it was a dark and stormy night part
• 1:06:07
  two, because it was pretty much the same as Ottawa from what I was seeing.
• 1:06:12
  Yeah.
• 1:06:13
  lots of weather issues but like yeah those fumbles.
• 1:06:17
  But one thing that I felt was interesting was like in the second quarter Morgan's running with this football and he doesn't slide and then fumbles the ball and I think yeah you
• 1:06:28
  want to prove yourself you want to go out coach I'm the one like if we need someone you know Macbeth is still injured Alexander's chirping on the sidelines and and for him to run
• 1:06:39
  in that way and not slide and then lose the ball
• 1:06:42
  on top of that.
• 1:06:42
  Like you risk in getting injury and you fumbled and I thought, ee, not a great look for trying out to be the starter.
• 1:06:50
  Yeah.
• 1:06:51
  Anything to put in here, GT,
• 1:06:52
  As I said, I didn't watch the game, the next game, But reading recaps, they don't look like they were very exciting.
• 1:06:57
  They look like they were kind of like, yeah.
• 1:06:59
  Hamilton seemed to have had the biggest running game of this year.
• 1:07:03
  Everybody seemed to be running amok.
• 1:07:05
  for them and but other than that it looked like a kind of a ho-hum game that they won in the end
• 1:07:11
  Yeah.
• 1:07:11
  Lots of interceptions, lots of fumbles, lots of pitches, lots of running, lots of...
• 1:07:17
  I think this was like a gritty, a gritty game.
• 1:07:21
  Yes.
• 1:07:21
  it was that.
• 1:07:23
  And to what you said, GT, about the running.
• 1:07:25
  Yeah.
• 1:07:26
  Bell was 20 carries, 156 yards, one TD, should have been two.
• 1:07:31
  And he was also five for six and 34 yards in the passing game.
• 1:07:34
  So he was the bulk of their offense by far.
• 1:07:39
  it was, yeah, it was a good game.
• 1:07:43
  It wasn't a great game, but it was good in that.
• 1:07:46
  No, I shouldn't say a good game.
• 1:07:47
  guess it was an average game, but just the fact that, like MJ said, it didn't feel like it was locked down until quite late at least held my interest.
• 1:07:56
  uh And you mentioned they put Dukes in there.
• 1:07:59
  sorry, go ahead.
• 1:08:00
  was gonna say this was the game of whoever can hold on to the ball and get points when they can is gonna win.
• 1:08:06
  And that just happened to be Hamilton, I think.
• 1:08:09
  like you said, they pulled Morgan and put Dukes in in the fourth, but only for one series.
• 1:08:13
  And then they went back to Morgan.
• 1:08:15
  So there's that.
• 1:08:17
  And this was one of the OPIs.
• 1:08:19
  Kenny Lawler got called on what was a very obvious when you looked at it to offense a pass interference.
• 1:08:25
  And of course, of course, Milanovich challenged it again.
• 1:08:29
  Challenge what you saw and what you see, not what you want.
• 1:08:33
  But I feel like with MJ away this week, the original MJ away this week, I'm having to pick up, we almost need to carry on some of her traditions.
• 1:08:42
  And one of the things that she loves is talking about the TSN throwing shade with their shots.
• 1:08:48
  in this game, you definitely saw it, because there was a period in there where Montreal put Tyson running back and he ran for I think three or four first downs in a row.
• 1:08:59
  And once he got up and running,
• 1:09:01
  Every time that wasn't on the play, the camera was on Sean Thomas Ehrlington on the sideline watching his job going, bye!
• 1:09:07
  And yeah, and STR is now on the sixth game, as of today.
• 1:09:11
  I don't have anything else.
• 1:09:12
  How about you MJ?
• 1:09:13
  Anything more from your?
• 1:09:15
  No, I'm just happy for that.
• 1:09:19
  I'm just really grateful for those points.
• 1:09:20
  End story.
• 1:09:22
  And Bo Levi rushing for a touchdown.
• 1:09:25
  I mean, that's a miracle.
• 1:09:26
  A miracle happened.
• 1:09:27
  once a decade, like they said.
• 1:09:29
  Well, that takes us to the next one.
• 1:09:30
  We're all, uh, I'll, I'll start with a few things because it was Saskatchewan.
• 1:09:34
  You may notice that I'm wearing the, the obsidians here.
• 1:09:37
  My, I'll see if I, can see the number 63 there for Mr.
• 1:09:41
  Freland Best lineman in the league.
• 1:09:44
  His name's on the back and all.
• 1:09:46
  Anyway, the Riders game.
• 1:09:47
  was, yeah, it wasn't uh an offensive.
• 1:09:50
  powerhouse, it wasn't a shootout, but I thought it was an enjoyable game.
• 1:09:55
  As it happened in Labor Day, the Riders started kind of slow and they were, the Bombers early on were really testing, I think it's Kosi I'm not sure, one of the Onyekas that
• 1:10:10
  Saskatchewan had in safety, he's basically their third string safety, their first two were out.
• 1:10:16
  And Winnipeg was going over in the middle and having some success with it for a while.
• 1:10:19
  it got shut down eventually but at 3:11 of the second quarter Winnipeg I think it was a field goal they got at that point to go up 13-3 and then they didn't score after that
• 1:10:33
  again the defense shut them down and part of that may have had to do with
• 1:10:38
  Zach going out.
• 1:10:40
  But they were frankly they were playing well against Zach too.
• 1:10:45
  Offense wasn't great.
• 1:10:47
  They got one running touchdown and five field goals and then but just managed to put it together and run out the game and that's that's sort of the overview.
• 1:10:56
  So I'll give you a chance to jump in with anything you might have seen in the game or highlights or anything and then I've got other stuff I can talk about if need be.
• 1:11:04
  It's a question I'm curious about as someone who wears glasses.
• 1:11:07
  Ouellette lost a contact in the first quarter and I think, you have extras?
• 1:11:12
  They must, but like, you you're out for a play, right?
• 1:11:15
  All those little black bits in your eye.
• 1:11:18
  But I just thought...
• 1:11:19
  with him picking up a contact with those gloves on.
• 1:11:22
  Yeah, like dude, we need to get him some dailies.
• 1:11:26
  Like, why are you wearing hard contacts?
• 1:11:28
  But it was really interesting.
• 1:11:29
  TSA, I forget who it was, if it was Rod Smith or LaPolice kept going on and on about how Olivera last week was so upset about not getting any touches and how he wanted the ball
• 1:11:40
  and he wanted to prove himself.
• 1:11:42
  And so he touched the ball 20 times.
• 1:11:45
  for 83 yards.
• 1:11:46
  So they they did give him that and and they did that even though they knew that the Riders have such a good offense against or defense against a run.
• 1:11:54
  And so Olivera got his wish and Dempski was in the game as well, but I thought Olivera, I mean he didn't have a touchdown, but he helped them get quite a bit of field position when
• 1:12:05
  they needed it.
• 1:12:06
  So I thought that
• 1:12:08
  I mean, again, TSN, like we got it.
• 1:12:11
  Like we get that he wanted this, but that was their storyline and they were waiting for it.
• 1:12:17
  And if he had gotten a touchdown, they would have been so happy.
• 1:12:20
  He ruins their day.
• 1:12:22
  Yes.
• 1:12:23
  If the other MJ was here, she would have said, did you know that Brady was not happy?
• 1:12:29
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:32
  We also had another hurdle in this game, em which was exciting.
• 1:12:37
  But that, I just think like Winnipeg, Jefferson had that knockdown, but then called back with a penalty.
• 1:12:44
  And I think, okay, if you're gonna win football games, you have to have more than a running back and a quarterback.
• 1:12:51
  If you are taking dumb penalties, especially on a play that that like, those big plays that come back.
• 1:12:58
  that makes a big difference no matter how much you run if you keep getting those penalties that pushes you back.
• 1:13:03
  didn't know how many penalties they ended up having.
• 1:13:05
  But again, like you've got, yeah.
• 1:13:09
  you keep talking and I'll see what I can find out.
• 1:13:11
  But I have here, again, we've got some fumbles happening, we've got PIs that were, weren't, we've got interceptions happening.
• 1:13:20
  Fajardo had fewer, that's the other game, I was going to say Fajardo had fewer bracelets, but that's on my other notes page.
• 1:13:27
  What else did I have?
• 1:13:29
  But the bombers didn't give up.
• 1:13:31
  Ouellette got stopped in some short yardage situations, but then comes back and gets a touchdown.
• 1:13:36
  So I thought that the riders responded better to big plays and came back, I think, stronger than Winnipeg could catch up to.
• 1:13:48
  I don't think that they, when Zach left the game, I have here, Strevler is running, eek, why?
• 1:13:55
  Why is he leading with his head?
• 1:13:57
  That is my only note for the fourth quarter.
• 1:14:00
  Yes.
• 1:14:01
  And on the penalties thing, it's not as bad as I thought it was.
• 1:14:05
  I knew Saskatchewan wasn't too bad.
• 1:14:07
  They were 4 for 40.
• 1:14:08
  Winnipeg was only 5 for 56.
• 1:14:10
  And you're right, in the game, it felt like a lot more than that.
• 1:14:13
  They were certainly poorly timed penalties.
• 1:14:16
  Mind you, there was a lot of that this weekend, too.
• 1:14:18
  We'll talk about that in, I think it's in the next game that we get to.
• 1:14:23
  But...
• 1:14:23
  uh
• 1:14:24
  star was Campbell for the Riders
• 1:14:28
  He has been a find.
• 1:14:29
  I, I don't, I probably mentioned this four or five times on here.
• 1:14:33
  I was going into this season.
• 1:14:34
  I was nervous as hell because they brought him in who could have been a washed up NFL cornerback and they brought in Ray at defensive end who's been made a glass and they both
• 1:14:44
  been, Ray has, has let off a little bit lately.
• 1:14:48
  He's still playing quite well and Campbell's been just an amazing find.
• 1:14:52
  So yeah, he had two of their four interceptions that they got
• 1:14:56
  Yeah, great game for him.
• 1:14:58
  I also, uh I've got a note here that we were talking last week about, in fact it was MJ1 who said, who mentioned the fact Bo had done the quick kick, the punt earlier in the
• 1:15:08
  season and that Harris punted to outdo it for twice as much yardage, that they're fighting for MOP.
• 1:15:14
  And my note here was, yeah, and after Bo ran in 15 yards for a touchdown, Harris decided he was going to do it, but he ended up doing it in chunks of five.
• 1:15:23
  And after the first two
• 1:15:24
  Mace said, no, no, we'll let AJ run it if we're gonna run.
• 1:15:28
  Yeah, exactly.
• 1:15:29
  Maybe we've got someone better for this.
• 1:15:31
  Yeah.
• 1:15:32
  so Harris didn't get the touchdown, but he was sure to take chunking in it.
• 1:15:35
  Yeah.
• 1:15:35
  Well, and then Zach Collaros threw down the gauntlet.
• 1:15:38
  He had two tackles in that game, if I'm reading the stats correct.
• 1:15:42
  So the quarterbacks are surprising everyone in this banjo bowl.
• 1:15:46
  Yes, they were.
• 1:15:48
  And it was just a weird one.
• 1:15:50
  mean, again, Lauther has been under fire all for at least the last half of the season so far for missing field goals.
• 1:15:59
  He ends up, he misses a convert, but he goes five for five.
• 1:16:02
  And Castillio who's been one of the best at all distances, goes, what was it?
• 1:16:07
  One for three or two for four?
• 1:16:08
  I can't remember, but he missed two, including.
• 1:16:12
  One that Alfred took back on a fantastic run.
• 1:16:15
  And then the second one late in the game.
• 1:16:17
  I don't know if this was in the highlights GT, but he misses the kick.
• 1:16:20
  Alfred comes out to sort of the end of the end zone doing the way that he sometimes does trying to set up blocks, just sort of loping along jogging, takes it out to about the
• 1:16:28
  three yard line, gets hit, decides, I'm going to reverse my field and runs back into the end zone.
• 1:16:34
  And then as he's being tackled realizes, my God, and lunges and gets the ball, yay far outside the goal line.
• 1:16:41
  So the Riders end up first to goal on their own one and Harris immediate hits Robustelli for a 45 yard pass down the sideline and crisis averted.
• 1:16:53
  But the Rider fans are not happy with Alfred again.
• 1:16:56
  Last year they were really unhappy with him.
• 1:16:59
  Then he came back and he had some fire in his belly with McCray being doing so well in the preseason and he was doing great.
• 1:17:04
  Then he got hurt.
• 1:17:05
  Now he's come back and he fumbled last game and he almost gave up the safety of this game.
• 1:17:09
  his hand is back on the chopping block in Riderville
• 1:17:12
  But I love that like realization, but then it's too late to do anything about it.
• 1:17:16
  I have a big sad face next to that play.
• 1:17:19
  I said, why?
• 1:17:20
  And then sad face.
• 1:17:21
  And then they ended up at the one yard line.
• 1:17:23
  So you owe your offense, like some candy or whatever it is that you bring in.
• 1:17:29
  Oh, definitely it's.
• 1:17:31
  And to me, like that 45 yard pass, that's kind of what you said.
• 1:17:35
  The Bombers just seemed to be able to overcome the bad plays a little better.
• 1:17:39
  Or sorry, the Riders seemed to be able to overcome the bad plays a little better than the Bombers did in this game.
• 1:17:44
  The Bombers just couldn't seem, if everything was rolling, they were doing okay.
• 1:17:48
  But if they took a penalty or they got an Schneid, then it was not so good.
• 1:17:53
  Bombers, or sorry, keep saying Bombers.
• 1:17:55
  Riders ended up putting Tommy Stevens into at the end, just with him and Ouellette to basically run out the time and that worked.
• 1:18:03
  And then I've got one major complaint and I don't know if this is true or if it would have worked out or not, but in the fourth quarter there, were, riders were down, I think about
• 1:18:13
  their own 30 and Keeshaun Johnson ran past the, I got him, I'm drawing the blank, the halfback there, the good one.
• 1:18:21
  Home for for Winnipeg ran past him from what I could see nobody beyond there There was a nice pass laid out for it and home grabbed him and yanked him back from it.
• 1:18:33
  They got a PI call Okay, so you get the 20 30 yards out of the PI But the problem is I had Johnson and I lost in my fantasy team and I lost by 10 points
• 1:18:45
  And if he took that in for a touchdown, he has won for a catch and seven for the yardage and another six for their seven for the touchdown and I would have won.
• 1:18:53
  So darn you, Holm That one grab cost me my game.
• 1:18:57
  That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
• 1:18:59
  Anything you want to say GT before we let you jump in and take the lead?
• 1:19:04
  as I see, yeah, no, I got nothing.
• 1:19:07
  Okay, alrighty then.
• 1:19:09
  That takes us on to the last game and I'm not sure I like the trend actually because last week we mentioned that we had two fairly jubilant co-hosts and one less so.
• 1:19:20
  And that's the same thing this week except I'm the only one who hasn't been the less so so I'm kind of worried about this weekend coming up.
• 1:19:28
  Calgary shocked the world by going into Edmonton and losing 1931.
• 1:19:35
  Tell us about it, GT
• 1:19:37
  Hey, mirror mirror on the wall.
• 1:19:40
  This was the exact opposite.
• 1:19:42
  was like that, you know, the America calls England the mirror world because it's everything's the same but different.
• 1:19:49
  And this was just, this was exactly the same game as a week ago, only the teams were reversed.
• 1:19:55
  You could look at it almost identical.
• 1:19:58
  It's same, the score was almost identical.
• 1:20:00
  The play was almost identical.
• 1:20:03
  The outcomes were almost identical.
• 1:20:05
  everything was almost identical.
• 1:20:06
  And I accept they were reversed.
• 1:20:09
  It was that simply the way it was.
• 1:20:12
  I will say this, I feel great.
• 1:20:14
  I feel great about this loss.
• 1:20:16
  I feel great about this timing of this.
• 1:20:18
  I was never, and I'll tell you why, because I was mad.
• 1:20:23
  And I was so mad that I posted about it on Blue Sky.
• 1:20:28
  I was so mad that I swore at the television.
• 1:20:32
  I was so mad that I was entirely like upset with this game.
• 1:20:37
  And then I went, that's a good thing.
• 1:20:40
  That's a good thing because I haven't been this mad at this team in three years.
• 1:20:46
  That means this team is worth watching again because for the last three years, if this game had to happen, I would went, meh, it's another one.
• 1:20:54
  Here we go again.
• 1:20:56
  Bye.
• 1:20:57
  That means that this team has actually got me interested enough to be upset with them.
• 1:21:02
  Has actually got me to the point where I, as I said last week, I'm starting to believe.
• 1:21:08
  So if that's the case, that's a good thing.
• 1:21:10
  I'm okay with the loss.
• 1:21:12
  I'm perfectly fine with it.
• 1:21:13
  But as I said earlier, we're eight and four.
• 1:21:16
  It doesn't really matter in the standings overall.
• 1:21:20
  I don't think anybody's gonna catch us and I don't think we're catching the Riders So we are where we are.
• 1:21:25
  And the injuries are the more of the bigger concern.
• 1:21:29
  The injuries and VAs play in the last two games.
• 1:21:33
  I have no problem with him getting pulled with the minutes or two minutes or whatever they did with left.
• 1:21:38
  We talked about that last week.
• 1:21:40
  Surprisingly enough, last week's conversation is, why didn't they pull Fajardo?
• 1:21:46
  This week's conversation is, hey, they pulled VA.
• 1:21:50
  It's the mirror image.
• 1:21:52
  It's just.
• 1:21:52
  bizarre, right?
• 1:21:53
  It is the bizarro world of the league, back-to-back games.
• 1:21:58
  And I could see the same thing happening this week in Ottawa versus BC, back-to-back games.
• 1:22:03
  You just never know what's going to happen.
• 1:22:05
  So anyways, there's not much to say.
• 1:22:08
  What I said last week, was total domination by the Stampeters.
• 1:22:11
  This week, was total domination by the Elks.
• 1:22:16
  I was mad enough to say at one point midway early in the second quarter,
• 1:22:21
  One of my posts was, Stampeders will let him up off the mat.
• 1:22:25
  They did another dumb thing where they just were VA overthrew them or they took a penalty or something and they had to do another two and out where they had four in a row.
• 1:22:34
  And then I said, yeah, they let the Elks off the mat.
• 1:22:38
  This is going to come back to haunt them.
• 1:22:39
  And on the next play, it was the 90 yard run and it was over.
• 1:22:43
  That 90 yard run and the game was over.
• 1:22:46
  Didn't matter what else happened after that.
• 1:22:48
  And then the next play was a 47 yard run and my text was, well, you know, please learn to tackle.
• 1:22:54
  The tackling was atrocious.
• 1:22:56
  It is what it is.
• 1:22:57
  It's a burn the tape kind of game.
• 1:22:58
  And we can talk about individual plays all we want throughout.
• 1:23:03
  And I'm sure you guys want to talk about a few of them.
• 1:23:05
  But to me, the game was, as I say, it was dominance by the Elks was the exact opposite of the game before.
• 1:23:12
  That's what it is.
• 1:23:13
  Burn it, move on, we have to buy it a good time to get over it and then come back and then we have uh six more games to win four of them in solidify.
• 1:23:23
  Yeah, that sounds good.
• 1:23:24
  Yeah, you're right.
• 1:23:25
  It was basically it was mostly a running game.
• 1:23:28
  I mean, Fugardo passed for 153 yards, but I'm just looking at this now here.
• 1:23:33
  Rankin was 16 carries, 204 yards and two touchdowns.
• 1:23:38
  So.
• 1:23:38
  Yeah, well that made me, I will say that made me a little crazy because they were talking about, you know, he's running, he's running all over the place.
• 1:23:45
  And I'm like, it's two plays.
• 1:23:47
  They're up because of two plays.
• 1:23:50
  Other than that, Edmonton's offense had not done a whole lot until late in the game.
• 1:23:55
  Yeah.
• 1:23:55
  In fact, I'll just, I'll let you go MJ, but I just want to say it reminded me in some ways, almost identical to the game that Edmonton played in Saskatchewan last year, where
• 1:24:06
  they ran for like 160 yards against a great run defense.
• 1:24:10
  And it was the same thing, two big runs where they caught the defense with nobody deep.
• 1:24:14
  They broke the second level and it was just, he broke the second level and he was basically gone.
• 1:24:19
  The first one, definitely the second one, there was, think a safety that came in and
• 1:24:23
  tried for a tackle But other than that, you take those two away, yeah, he's still got probably 70, 80 rushing yards in the game, and that's what drove it up.
• 1:24:34
  Same sort of thing with it.
• 1:24:35
  So they've got the speed in the backfield that if you let them get through when you don't have anyone on basically your third level, they can toast you.
• 1:24:45
  Well, my notes for this game were, okay, the Elks look prepared.
• 1:24:49
  They looked confident.
• 1:24:51
  They looked like, because usually they look, yeah, and then the stamps looked flustered.
• 1:24:57
  I was really, and I shouldn't be disappointed, but I was really disappointed because some of their penalties seemed like desperate penalties.
• 1:25:04
  And I thought, who is this team?
• 1:25:06
  So I...
• 1:25:08
  I don't want to say I'm a Calgary fan, but I can't help but cheer for them because I live here.
• 1:25:12
  But I just thought, like you, GT, I was really mad at this team because I do think that I have really invested in them this year.
• 1:25:21
  I'm cheering for VA, seeing what the team is doing, Dietrich Mills being there.
• 1:25:24
  I really didn't have a lot of good things to say about Dave Dickinson, but I feel like he's got something good going.
• 1:25:31
  But I just thought that this game...
• 1:25:34
  the Stamps just seemed absolutely flustered, no matter, maybe not every single play, obviously.
• 1:25:40
  But it just felt like, you know, the first quarter they were okay.
• 1:25:44
  And then it just started to fall apart.
• 1:25:47
  I feel like they couldn't connect.
• 1:25:49
  And then they started to get frustrated.
• 1:25:51
  They had these short runs, they couldn't connect in their receiving.
• 1:25:54
  But then they let some of those big runs happen.
• 1:25:57
  And so I thought, okay, so when your game isn't running on
• 1:26:01
  your offensive level or your defense and then you have a kick or miss, that's really hard to respond to.
• 1:26:08
  And I thought Edmonton did a great job of taking advantage of that.
• 1:26:14
  Yeah.
• 1:26:14
  I thought maybe, I don't know about turning point, there was a big point early on.
• 1:26:19
  might, my memory's terrible, might even been the first drive where Calgary marched down and got a touchdown pass to Brooks.
• 1:26:26
  And then on replay, it was overturned because the ball did hit the ground and bobbled a bit.
• 1:26:31
  The way I was talking last week about what I thought happened with the Clarisius catch in that game.
• 1:26:36
  So they get the field goal out of it, but they just never seem to be able to regroup and get the...
• 1:26:42
  offense going after that,
• 1:26:47
  yeah, no, I think that actually was the turning point of the game because I think if they had a score on that first drive, their offense would have been okay and they would have
• 1:26:53
  felt like they were in command again and rolling.
• 1:26:57
  And instead, it looked like VA was, I don't know if fluster is the right word, MJ, but he was certainly not.
• 1:27:05
  on and he hasn't been on for two games now.
• 1:27:09
  He goes through these lulls and we've seen it before.
• 1:27:13
  when his head's off, he's not even close to being on.
• 1:27:16
  Hopefully he can get his head back on.
• 1:27:18
  The big thing was at some point around that time, just after that, Edmonton just got more physical than Calgary and was
• 1:27:28
  and was just being more physical.
• 1:27:30
  And Dickinson admitted it after the game in the post game.
• 1:27:33
  They got beat up on both sides, both lines, both sides, and they weren't able to respond to Edmonton's physicality and the momentum.
• 1:27:42
  when you know football's like that, and if you want to get that momentum and you're winning, it's really hard to come back out and punch back You need something to happen and
• 1:27:53
  they didn't have anything happen.
• 1:27:56
  just
• 1:27:55
  TSN in the third, I think it was the fourth quarter, close up, right on Dave Dickinson.
• 1:28:02
  I think this was another Philpott play where there was a flag for defensive interference, something happened.
• 1:28:08
  And so Dave obviously didn't agree or miscall, I forget what the call was and just, yeah, and so just close up of his face.
• 1:28:18
  and he was just staring down the official, wasn't saying anything.
• 1:28:22
  And then TSN the shade they threw.
• 1:28:25
  When the stamps got called for a misconduct on one of their, I think it must have been on the O line, because it was number 64.
• 1:28:33
  close-up of Dave and he is mad and now he is talking to the ref and I thought TSN has been waiting all game for this moment to show Dave Dickinson start to lose his cool and he held
• 1:28:44
  it together and then and then they got him yeah
• 1:28:48
  Yes.
• 1:28:49
  Yeah, I think that that OPI call was weak, really, really weak.
• 1:28:54
  I don't blame him he was saying, Can you can you just watch it again?
• 1:28:58
  Like, so like what?
• 1:29:00
  Look at it.
• 1:29:01
  Just look at it.
• 1:29:02
  then the second one, at that point in time, he was throwing his hands up it's like, you know, we're not helping ourselves, but you're not helping us either.
• 1:29:09
  Well, I, earlier in the end of the third quarter, the Elks had that punt and then the Stamps got the no yards call and I have to go back and look at it again maybe, but I
• 1:29:19
  thought, oh, I disagree with it.
• 1:29:21
  That was close.
• 1:29:21
  Like he was, like, I think the player was within five yards.
• 1:29:24
  So I guess technically you have to flag that.
• 1:29:27
  But there was no way he was coming towards the ball or the receiver.
• 1:29:31
  was almost, there was no way he could have contacted.
• 1:29:34
  And so I guess the rule is yes, five yards.
• 1:29:38
  But so I think to have a call like that where it is like, if you had missed it, would anyone have been, I don't know.
• 1:29:46
  It wasn't as bad as like Montreal where Montreal at one point in the game took 25 yards a penalty after an interception and gave ah Hamilton the ball on Montreal one.
• 1:29:57
  I think I remember that, no yards that you called.
• 1:30:00
  I agree it was a penalty because he was within the five yards, but they called him a 15 yarder and I thought.
• 1:30:06
  They were still told to call them.
• 1:30:08
  It was, it had moved from a few years ago that it bounced.
• 1:30:12
  It was five yards and otherwise it was 15.
• 1:30:15
  They said then they're all 15.
• 1:30:17
  But at that point, if I remember right, the rule said, unless the player is actively trying to, to exit the zone, not make the tackle.
• 1:30:26
  And then it's a five yarder.
• 1:30:27
  And that's what I saw happen there was he realized he was within the zone and just ran past the returner.
• 1:30:34
  trying to get out of it.
• 1:30:34
  So I thought it should have been five, not 15.
• 1:30:36
  I can see why Dickinson would be upset because all of these things piling up and you start to think it's hard to coach when you feel like the game is against you.
• 1:30:45
  um
• 1:30:46
  it, but I understood why Dickinson was the angriest man in in the CFL the last couple of years.
• 1:30:52
  This year I don't get it and he still is.
• 1:30:55
  He's passionate.
• 1:31:00
  completely non-related football moment.
• 1:31:03
  There was a moment just through me that it was just in between plays and they've got a shot of a player standing there in the field and I see this little white thing, a flake of
• 1:31:12
  snow coming down and I think, snow?
• 1:31:15
  in Edmonton.
• 1:31:16
  Now I thought it was like 20 degrees still.
• 1:31:19
  And then it kind of lifted back up my realised no, it's one of those little floater seeds.
• 1:31:22
  But for a moment I felt, fall is here.
• 1:31:26
  Not yet, please not yet.
• 1:31:28
  No, I thought it was snowing for the Ottawa game, so.
• 1:31:31
  Yeah.
• 1:31:32
  Well, it was closer to snowing when Ottawa played Calgary in Calgary that first one.
• 1:31:37
  Yeah.
• 1:31:38
  And then the other thing that I think is worth mentioning is I agree with you GT about him pulling the no sense getting him hurt there.
• 1:31:46
  Just before that, they'd taken two sacks in a row and ended up with third and 31.
• 1:31:52
  Same thing that we talked about when Calgary stomped on Saskatchewan and they took Harris out with three, four minutes ago.
• 1:31:58
  People are complaining, you can't give up, you gotta go to the end.
• 1:32:01
  And know VA was upset and I think Harris was upset, but smart move.
• 1:32:05
  Yeah.
• 1:32:07
  And it wasn't just VA.
• 1:32:09
  They also pulled Mills.
• 1:32:11
  They also pulled, I believe they also pulled, although it wasn't really shown, but I think Philpott or Barnes, one of the Canadian receivers was out because they showed Janus
• 1:32:21
  running around there.
• 1:32:22
  Just, you just saw the name on the back of the jersey and he's like the backup Canadian receiver.
• 1:32:28
  So one of the other two guys was out as well.
• 1:32:30
  So they did the full basketball.
• 1:32:32
  It was like, second string will go in there kind of thing.
• 1:32:36
  TSN, right up in VA's face about it.
• 1:32:39
  Thanks, TSN.
• 1:32:40
  as he chews his nail and I pity the poor coach that was beside him that was getting the earful the whole time and just staring straight ahead.
• 1:32:47
  No, he definitely did not look happy and that is TSN's trademark.
• 1:32:52
  A tight close up.
• 1:32:54
  I will say though, like at the end of the game with the bench brawl shenanigans, I thought, okay, at least that ended better.
• 1:33:02
  Well, we'll see.
• 1:33:02
  I haven't heard any news about any penalties or fines or anything versus that BC Montreal one we had earlier in the season.
• 1:33:11
  So yeah, well done guys on not taking it too far.
• 1:33:16
  think penalties and fines come out on Wednesdays, don't they?
• 1:33:19
  So we might hear about it tomorrow.
• 1:33:21
  I think they come out Wednesdays.
• 1:33:23
  Yeah.
• 1:33:25
  football, those little moments when you see somebody playing football and being smart about it.
• 1:33:29
  And I love those.
• 1:33:30
  And there was a play in this game where Julian Grant
• 1:33:33
  caught a short pass over the middle.
• 1:33:35
  think it was like second and eight or something.
• 1:33:37
  And he was right near the sticks and he was fighting for yardage and sort of that back and forth kind of thing.
• 1:33:42
  And you could see because they had the camera from the side, you could see over and see his eyes lock on where the marker was and realize, I got to get down here and just drop
• 1:33:52
  and keep the first down.
• 1:33:53
  Those are the little things that make winning football teams.
• 1:33:55
  Yeah.
• 1:33:57
  I think that's everything I've got.
• 1:34:00
  It's, uh, I I will say this.
• 1:34:02
  think that personally,
• 1:34:04
  I'd like to know what you think about Hutchins being out GT.
• 1:34:07
  I think he is fantastic.
• 1:34:10
  I don't think one player, even on the line, makes that big of a difference.
• 1:34:14
  I think what happened here was it was a combination of basically a trap game where they had just thumped on the Elks and probably in their minds thought they could do it again
• 1:34:24
  and knew they had a buy coming up.
• 1:34:26
  And I think that just...
• 1:34:27
  they weren't in that game the way they needed to be.
• 1:34:30
  Yeah, no, their heads weren't in it from the, know, and that's why I say if they had to score that first touchdown, it would have kept their heads in it.
• 1:34:36
  But after that, they just, I think they just lost it.
• 1:34:39
  and then they couldn't get anything going after that.
• 1:34:42
  And they were, and it became a trap game.
• 1:34:44
  I don't know that it started out, but it certainly became one in the middle of it.
• 1:34:49
  I'm not that, I'm not sweating about this loss.
• 1:34:51
  It's a burn the tapes, as I said, and move on and go from there.
• 1:34:55
  But Hutchings is a huge part of it.
• 1:34:58
  I do think that that, yeah, I mean, he's a key player.
• 1:35:01
  It's like, yeah, it's going to be, if he is out for any length of time, and hopefully not, uh it will be really tough now that with Flo gone as well.
• 1:35:12
  But uh I think flow is more important overall for a couple things.
• 1:35:16
  I will also say one other thing is, I will say about this is the Biggie experiment's done.
• 1:35:22
  I don't think he's adding anything to the team at all.
• 1:35:25
  This is two games now where I've watched them and I haven't seen them.
• 1:35:29
  And when I've seen them, he's been out of place or missing a tackle or something, So I don't think Big Hill's the guy and they're saying he's working his way back in, but I
• 1:35:38
  would just continue to go with Tiez there and not worry about it he's great on the sidelines.
• 1:35:43
  He's a great coach.
• 1:35:44
  He's a great mentor, all that stuff.
• 1:35:46
  but over two games so far I haven't seen anything that leads me to believe he's going to be a player again.
• 1:35:53
  had in my notes Adam Bighill was he even there so yeah
• 1:35:59
  see him on the field, but it wasn't anything fantastic on Hutchings.
• 1:36:03
  Hutchins Hutchinson, Anyway, he's like I said, I think he is a fantastic player.
• 1:36:10
  think having him out definitely hurt them.
• 1:36:13
  I don't think that he would have could have specifically made the difference in that game.
• 1:36:19
  And I do think that going ahead, he will probably be less of a dominant for us just because
• 1:36:26
  with Flo out of there, he'll see more double teams.
• 1:36:29
  They'll be able to dedicate a lot more to him on the inside.
• 1:36:33
  And we'll see how, mean, I've seen him, there was, what was it?
• 1:36:36
  I think it was the Saskatchewan game where they, they double teamed him and he just tossed the two guys off and walked up the middle.
• 1:36:42
  So, but he'll get a lot more of that.
• 1:36:45
  I think part of that running game that Edmonton had was the fact that Hutchins wasn't there because they could concentrate in the middle and allow and Calgary's ends had to
• 1:36:54
  crash down more than they normally would because he wasn't there to eat up those double teams.
• 1:37:00
  And so their ends had to play closer to the middle of the field.
• 1:37:04
  And that gave that the end around for Rankin to go run around on a couple of those plays.
• 1:37:11
  So I think that makes a difference and that will continue to make a difference going forward if he's not there eating up the double teams in the middle.
• 1:37:19
  But it's not, I don't think it's any kind of a death nail for the defense there.
• 1:37:26
  It's tougher.
• 1:37:27
  Like we said, every team goes through it.
• 1:37:30
  We could go through and talk about pick a big player on every team, I think, who's been injured at some point through this year.
• 1:37:37
  So I have no doubt that they'll come back.
• 1:37:41
  mean, that's the thing is, I...
• 1:37:44
  Personally, I don't have any doubt.
• 1:37:46
  I think they've got BC after the bye and they'll come out and walk all over them.
• 1:37:53
  The other opinion that's out there is that it's possible that even after we're halfway into the season, some people are still saying, maybe that's been a mirage.
• 1:38:03
  Maybe that's been a mirage.
• 1:38:04
  Maybe this is just the two games the VA couldn't play and they'll be down next time.
• 1:38:09
  Personally, I don't expect to see that.
• 1:38:11
  I'll tell you my pick right now, barring some kind of injury to VA for that game next week will be Calgary over BC.
• 1:38:20
  I would take that.
• 1:38:21
  Coming out of the bio, I would take that.
• 1:38:23
  yeah.
• 1:38:24
  Yeah.
• 1:38:24
  I mean, VA against that BC defense.
• 1:38:27
  I may, I may be my fantasy quarterback that week.
• 1:38:31
  All right.
• 1:38:32
  I think that's about it then.
• 1:38:34
  That's covered it all.
• 1:38:35
  We just got to talk about what's coming up.
• 1:38:37
  Okay.
• 1:38:38
  And so the games this week are prediction game one, Winnipeg goes into Hamilton.
• 1:38:44
  Zach didn't was at practice, but didn't participate today from what I understand.
• 1:38:49
  I haven't seen the Hamilton, injury report, but I don't think they're, they've got anybody new hurt from the game.
• 1:38:56
  Your prediction.
• 1:38:58
  Hamilton.
• 1:38:59
  Hamilton has always played well against Winnipeg in Hamilton even when Winnipeg was much more of a jogger nut.
• 1:39:05
  So yeah, I think so.
• 1:39:07
  This one I think might be the toughest game of the weekend to pick.
• 1:39:10
  The next one, and these are the Friday night doubleheader because we're two games a day again.
• 1:39:15
  Ottawa goes out to BC.
• 1:39:17
  What happens in that rematch?
• 1:39:18
  BC, it's really tough to win back to back.
• 1:39:22
  And it was really tough to win back to back when you're flying across the country.
• 1:39:26
  And it's really tough to win back to back with a quarterback that still is, no matter whether he had the Crumm back last week or not, is still very inconsistent.
• 1:39:36
  So yeah, I just think BC's got to win that.
• 1:39:40
  Yeah, Butler, Hatcher.
• 1:39:42
  Awe had eight tackles last week.
• 1:39:44
  I'm gonna have to go with BC as well.
• 1:39:48
  And see, to me, this one should be easy.
• 1:39:50
  I would have thought it'd be easy, but after that game last week, this is, this is what my head's been working on trying to go through this.
• 1:39:58
  And I even went back and watched some of the game, but unfortunately my usual whining, give us some all 24 shots.
• 1:40:06
  You can't tell what the defenses are actually doing.
• 1:40:09
  So was the wind and the rain throwing Nathan off that much?
• 1:40:12
  Or did Ottawa find a way to confuse him and will they do it again next week?
• 1:40:16
  Because it'll come down to that.
• 1:40:18
  I don't expect the BC defense to play any better than they did.
• 1:40:23
  But I think probably the offense inside in the dome or even if it's open it'll be because it's sunny and warm and that.
• 1:40:31
  Good conditions.
• 1:40:32
  I got to make up ground on you two but am I brave enough?
• 1:40:35
  I don't know what I'm going to do with my personal ones, but for this show, I'm picking Ottawa.
• 1:40:39
  I'm going to say I have faith in the cr- how can you not pick the Crumm kid?
• 1:40:43
  He's just, he wa- he wa- I am offic- we got to get a name for his crumb fans because I'm officially one now.
• 1:40:50
  He just, he puts so much heart and soul into that.
• 1:40:53
  It's almost like some kid out there that has no- doesn't know any better.
• 1:40:57
  Alrighty.
• 1:40:59
  Yes.
• 1:41:00
  Edmonton Game 3, the first one on the Saturday.
• 1:41:03
  Edmonton heading into Toronto, as far as we know, it's Nick Arbuckle starting for Toronto.
• 1:41:07
  I'm taking the Argos.
• 1:41:08
  I feel like as much momentum as Edmonton thinks they have, I still think coming off of a bye and enough time and they're getting a few players back on the Toronto Slwuka coming
• 1:41:21
  back from what I understand on their defense.
• 1:41:24
  So I think they'll be better and they will, you know, yeah, I'll take the Argos.
• 1:41:29
  I think it'll be close.
• 1:41:31
  I do think it'll be close.
• 1:41:32
  I think it's going to be a relatively exciting game, but I am going to take the art.
• 1:41:36
  I think I'll jump in ahead you, MJ.
• 1:41:38
  I think I'm going with the Argos as well for this reason.
• 1:41:43
  I think that Edmonton has a better defense than Toronto does right now, maybe, based on yesterday's game and the last three or four.
• 1:41:53
  But they don't have an offense that can run with the Argos.
• 1:41:58
  So the only way they win this game is they can't...
• 1:42:01
  win it by a couple of big runs like they did this last weekend.
• 1:42:04
  They have to find a way to slow it down and keep the ball out of Arbuckle's hands.
• 1:42:08
  I think that they'll both score points.
• 1:42:10
  I think it'll be close, but I think that there'll be a couple of more punts from Edmonton than from Toronto, and that's going to be the difference.
• 1:42:20
  Yeah, I have on here in my notes for Edmonton, how many two-and-outs can you have and still win a game?
• 1:42:26
  I really want to cheer for the Elks, but what would MJ do?
• 1:42:30
  I don't know, this is really tricky.
• 1:42:31
  eh I'm gonna say the Argos as well.
• 1:42:34
  see, I was just going to say, I'm not sure because I don't know how much we're, we're, we're all fans here.
• 1:42:40
  And if I don't know if you heard this story, cause you came in a little bit later, but the reason I'm Oldman rather than the name I really am is the man I really am is way too much
• 1:42:49
  of a rider fan to be impartial.
• 1:42:51
  So I created this character to be impartial and that lets me talk about things and criticize the Riders when I need to and say good things about the Bombers and all that.
• 1:43:01
  But with all that said, I'm not sure MJ-1 could pick the Argos.
• 1:43:05
  I know, I know, this is why I really struggle, but Arbuckle is there, they're coming off of a bye week.
• 1:43:12
  Okay, well hey, she'll have to deal with it.
• 1:43:15
  she can do the TSN close-up of my face when I'm wrong or whatever.
• 1:43:20
  exactly.
• 1:43:20
  And I think when we get to the social media bit, you're just gonna give her address again anyway, so She can deal with it.
• 1:43:26
  It's her pick.
• 1:43:27
  Nice job MJ picking the Argos Alrighty and then the next one I have no idea what the weather is gonna be like for this I haven't looked but it is in Saskatchewan Saturday
• 1:43:37
  afternoon Montreal in Saskatchewan.
• 1:43:39
  It looks like
• 1:43:41
  Probably no Davis Alexander yet.
• 1:43:43
  He was still limited on the injury report and they have brought MBT back off of it.
• 1:43:47
  may be the bias arguing in the back of my head, but I don't see as good as that Montreal defense is, I don't see them being able to win with MBT.
• 1:43:58
  So I'm going with the Riders in this one.
• 1:44:00
  Same, I'm Riders on this one too.
• 1:44:03
  I can't see Montreal running through the Saskatchewan defense enough to get enough points.
• 1:44:09
  But you GT, are you going to speak it into existence and say Montreal so that Calgary gains again one?
• 1:44:15
  Um, I can't see, I can't see Montreal winning this game, except the Riders always have one bad one of my home.
• 1:44:24
  Every year they have one bad one at home.
• 1:44:27
  I don't know if that was the Calgary game earlier in the year.
• 1:44:31
  And usually it's when they have a bad one at home, it's against a bad quarterback or a fluke quarterback or whatever.
• 1:44:39
  So.
• 1:44:39
  That's the reason I'm picking Montreal.
• 1:44:42
  Okay, speak it into being.
• 1:44:45
  And I cannot disagree with you.
• 1:44:47
  This is a different regime, so I don't know.
• 1:44:48
  But yeah, traditionally, Saskatchewan in any given year, whatever their record is, they will usually come away with a victory that there's no way they should ever have had it.
• 1:44:59
  And they will usually come away with a loss that they should have been a walk away.
• 1:45:03
  So I'm still waiting for it this season, and it could very well be this time.
• 1:45:09
  yeah, I may be wrong and it may hurt my record, but whatever.
• 1:45:12
  just think that I just kind of feel like yeah, this as you said, they always seem to have one of those games at home and it's usually against a quarterback that has no right has
• 1:45:21
  absolutely no right in beating them, which is MBT this week.
• 1:45:25
  So that's kind of how I feel.
• 1:45:30
  an awful lot of people that picked Calgary and BC this last week, just as certainly as I'm sitting here, or as anybody sitting here picking any of these games.
• 1:45:40
  You never know.
• 1:45:41
  Yeah, what's that old saying about, that's why they play the game?
• 1:45:47
  Yeah, and it can go weird.
• 1:45:50
  You were mentioning earlier in the game, MJ, about, you know, when a team gets off to a good lead and then sometimes they trail off a bit and what that does to them.
• 1:45:57
  I can tell you from my coaching days in the minor leagues, I used to just dread getting up to a quick one or two touchdowns.
• 1:46:06
  And my focus was always on keeping the guys level headed.
• 1:46:10
  And it's about playing your game and playing hard.
• 1:46:13
  Cause I've got, I lost over the years, probably half a dozen games.
• 1:46:17
  We shouldn't have lost.
• 1:46:19
  because we got way up and everybody, oh, look at this, we're running away with it.
• 1:46:23
  And it frankly, early in my career when I was learning, I felt like that too.
• 1:46:26
  And then they start chipping back at you and we got to turn it on again.
• 1:46:30
  Well, you can't.
• 1:46:32
  Yep.
• 1:46:33
  Gonna be fun.
• 1:46:34
  Hope we get some good weekend, some good games this weekend.
• 1:46:37
  and not a super Saturday.
• 1:46:39
  We are spreading it out.
• 1:46:40
  Yes, exactly, exactly.
• 1:46:43
  Six hours each is okay.
• 1:46:46
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:46:47
  I can handle, my butt can handle that on the couch.
• 1:46:50
  Ha ha ha ha ha!
• 1:46:52
  Alrighty then, I think that pretty much covers it.
• 1:46:55
  Thank you again for coming in and coming out of the bench, MJ2.
• 1:46:59
  Maybe one of these days we'll have to do a four-person one with the both of you.
• 1:47:02
  See how that works out.
• 1:47:04
  That would be what, a seven hour show?
• 1:47:06
  yeah, I think that, yeah.
• 1:47:11
  I think going into Grey Cup, have to have everybody together, all five of us.
• 1:47:15
  That's a great idea.
• 1:47:17
  We'll do a bonus episode.
• 1:47:19
  Get Grizz and get, yeah, I like it.
• 1:47:22
  I like it.
• 1:47:23
  I'll make a note of it when we're done here.
• 1:47:26
  Okay, so.
• 1:47:26
  for having me on.
• 1:47:27
  This was a lot of fun.
• 1:47:28
  You're quite welcome.
• 1:47:30
  Any closing thoughts before you MJ1s socials?
• 1:47:38
  Yeah.
• 1:47:41
  MJ can be mad at me all she wants, but if I lose I'll just eat that.
• 1:47:45
  um But yeah, no, if you want to chrip at me, just like Alexander from the sidelines, you can do it through MJ.
• 1:47:56
  Yeah.
• 1:47:57
  Yep.
• 1:47:58
  at sports and science.bluesky.social, whatever.
• 1:48:01
  Yes, exactly.
• 1:48:02
  She'll probably be less annoyed with you if the Argos win the game.
• 1:48:06
  Yeah, let's hope for
• 1:48:10
  Okay, and how about you, GT?
• 1:48:13
  Any closing thoughts?
• 1:48:15
  you can as always you can find me at at GT Barnum at bluesky.social or whatever the rest of it is and Hopefully, you know, I haven't made too many people upset with my long-winded
• 1:48:25
  grant about my favorite company
• 1:48:27
  I can see I should never show you where my pension checks come from.
• 1:48:31
  Anyway, yes, and I'm at Old Man-SAC and Blue Sky, all the rest of it, the Blue Sky social stuff.
• 1:48:41
  The show is CFL Outsiders on X and Blue Sky, and we are now the CFL Outsiders on Instagram, and we'll know more about that when MJ comes back.
• 1:48:52
  You can get me on the CFL subreddit.
• 1:48:55
  If you're not on there, you should.
• 1:48:56
  It's a...
• 1:48:57
  It's a great little exchange of ideas.
• 1:48:59
  That's purely CFL and I'm on there as r slash old man shouting cloud.
• 1:49:05
  Other than that, please check out Friday morning for my old man play CFL fantasy.
• 1:49:13
  Yes, it was a terrible week for me, but it was a terrible week for everybody.
• 1:49:15
  other than that, hope you have a great weekend.
• 1:49:18
  Hope you've enjoyed the show.
• 1:49:20
  Until next week for MJ2 and GT, this is Old Man saying, get the hell off my lawn.