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280: Hal Sparks and the Tales of La La Wood · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 7: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian and
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  Speaker 7: this week we'll be joined by special guest co-host Mr.
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  Speaker 8: Hal Sparks.
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  Speaker 9: Now, you may know Hal as a stand-up comic, an actor,
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  Speaker 9: a musician. Take your pick. Hal is a man of
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  Speaker 9: many talents. Now, I could go on and list off
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  Speaker 9: a bunch of his previous credits, but I remember Hal
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  Speaker 9: saying when he does his live show, he doesn't really
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  Speaker 9: like a big introduction. I get the feeling he just
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  Speaker 9: likes to come out and represent himself, and I think
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  Speaker 9: that's also the best way to handle this episode. So
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  Speaker 9: with that, let's get to know Hal Sparks.
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  Speaker 6: Looking back on a track.
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  Speaker 2: Going to run my way. Looking back.
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  Speaker 9: Well, I like to get into it early, so I
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  Speaker 9: guess let's start with early childhood. What was young Hal like?
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  Speaker 9: Were you actually from... Well, you weren't born here, but
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  Speaker 9: you were raised here?
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  Speaker 6: I was born in Cincinnati, only because that was the
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  Speaker 6: nearest hospital without chickens in it. My grandmother lived there,
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  Speaker 6: and I think my mom was visiting her when she
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  Speaker 6: went into labor. But it was... My mom had met
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  Speaker 6: my dad in Cincinnati. We have a lot of traffic
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  Speaker 6: up there, apparently. And at one point, she... Yeah, I
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  Speaker 6: was born in the same room she was born in
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  Speaker 6: at Christ Hospital on her birthday. September 25th. Yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 6: It was pretty impressive. In room number five. And yes,
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  Speaker 6: there was a meteor shower that night and a comet overhead.
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  Speaker 6: Clearly a UFO. Some sort of alien walk-in. That's the latest.
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  Speaker 6: Insofar as, at that point, and as soon as we
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  Speaker 6: were done, we split. We went back to, you know,
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  Speaker 6: we lived in Kentucky. So, lived in West Virginia for
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  Speaker 6: like six months or something while my dad worked on
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  Speaker 6: an architectural project and then The rest of the time
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  Speaker 6: was pretty much Peaks Mill and Louisville.
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  Speaker 9: So how was your experience as a kid? I mean,
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  Speaker 9: it sounds like it wasn't much of a city area,
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  Speaker 9: Peaks Mill.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, it was straight up sticks. I mean, it's funny
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  Speaker 6: because in the years since, Peaks Mill has become kind
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  Speaker 6: of like this semi-areodite, you know, wealthy mid-suburb of Frankfurt where,
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  Speaker 6: you know, like some of the rich people from Frankfurt
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  Speaker 6: go to live away from the riffraff. Nobody has a
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  Speaker 6: functioning farm, but they got a lot of land cheap early.
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  Speaker 6: They've got the money and they feel like working the farm.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 6: And it's really just a grass buffer from other human beings. So,
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  Speaker 6: but Peaks Mill was straight up just elementary school, general store,
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  Speaker 6: Christian church, two lane bridge, one lane bridge at one end.
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  Speaker 6: There was a two lane bridge at the other side.
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  Speaker 6: So I suspect that many people arrived and then were
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  Speaker 6: not allowed to leave or something like that. The bridge
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  Speaker 6: only went one way. Yeah, exactly. You couldn't get out. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: it was an entrance only. It was a Stephen King story,
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  Speaker 6: wasn't it? Yeah, totally. I almost said exit only, but
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  Speaker 6: that's Owenton, which is why you never want to go there.
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  Speaker 6: No fun whatsoever. But, yeah.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, how do you, again, being where you end
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  Speaker 9: up now, it's like how are you dealing with that?
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  Speaker 9: I guess at the time you were probably... trying to
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  Speaker 9: get interested in like movies.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah well i didn't i didn't know it was a
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  Speaker 6: possibility you know the when you're when you grow up
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  Speaker 6: in peaks mill kentucky the idea that you could be
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  Speaker 6: a singer or a actor or comedian is absurd like
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  Speaker 6: i didn't even know what a comedian's job was i
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  Speaker 6: knew they existed my dad the way i got in
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  Speaker 6: a stand-up was because my dad did some fret work
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  Speaker 6: on a guy's mandolin i like fixed these two mandolins
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  Speaker 6: for this guy and the guy couldn't afford to pay
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  Speaker 6: for it. So he gave him part of the money
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  Speaker 6: and then in exchange he gave him these two crates
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  Speaker 6: of records, LPs. And a full quarter of these albums
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  Speaker 6: were comedy. There were like 30 LPs in there from
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  Speaker 6: everything from Godfrey Cambridge to Lenny Bruce, George Carlin, Steve Martin. Gosh.
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  Speaker 6: There was a collection of like old radio comedy, Groucho
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  Speaker 6: Marx and Jack Benny and that kind of stuff that
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  Speaker 6: was like a four record set. And the The records
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  Speaker 6: were so thick because they had a tin center. They
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  Speaker 6: used to dip them in vinyl before they had vinyl
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  Speaker 6: that was sound enough to do it. And I would
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  Speaker 6: just listen to those things on and on and on.
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  Speaker 6: And I loved the idea of doing it. And I
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  Speaker 6: knew that quoting those made everybody in the family laugh,
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  Speaker 6: made my friends laugh. But I didn't know what the
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  Speaker 6: fuck these guys did for a living. Like, how do
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  Speaker 6: you get paid for that? That's still a question. Well,
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  Speaker 6: it seems like an absurdity to me. And when I
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  Speaker 6: was a kid, I thought it was like albums of
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  Speaker 6: bird song. You know how they go in? you take
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  Speaker 6: a mic and they just hold it in the woods
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  Speaker 6: and listen to some dude chirp. Nature. And it was
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  Speaker 6: just like, oh, this guy just does this. Comedians in
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  Speaker 6: their natural habitat. Right, exactly. And, you know, they would
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  Speaker 6: just kind of capture this and these guys would just
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  Speaker 6: do this. You know, that's six, seven year old logic,
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  Speaker 6: you know. By the time I was 10 or so,
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  Speaker 6: I was like, I loved Star Wars and I loved
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  Speaker 6: Raiders of the Lost Ark and I wanted to be
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  Speaker 6: Han Solo and I wanted to be Indiana Jones and
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  Speaker 6: I realized that Harrison Ford, that dude, got to be both.
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  Speaker 6: So I was like, I want his job because he
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  Speaker 6: gets to be both those things. That's why he escaped
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  Speaker 6: the franchise. Right. Totally. And so in that, I kind
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  Speaker 6: of got this idea that I wanted to do what
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  Speaker 6: he did in movies. But again, I didn't know that
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  Speaker 6: it was... And it's not a job in Kentucky.
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  Speaker 7: It isn't.
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  Speaker 6: It wasn't allowed to be for a long time. It
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  Speaker 6: still isn't. Right. And that's important because places like this
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  Speaker 6: are meant to... They're entirely... It's to foment anger and dissatisfaction.
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  Speaker 6: That's what the whole purpose of states like Kentucky are.
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  Speaker 6: It is. You're supposed to make you mad at your
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  Speaker 6: life so you fucking do something, right? I suppose so.
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  Speaker 6: Look at all the... I forced myself to do this
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  Speaker 6: every week now. There you go. I was dissatisfied with
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  Speaker 6: everything else. There you go. Right. And it makes you
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  Speaker 6: do something. Most people don't even do anything. Most people
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  Speaker 6: in this setting don't, unfortunately. But a good portion of them,
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  Speaker 6: you know, like the people who've struck out, it's because
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  Speaker 6: the environment they were in was so non-conducive to how
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  Speaker 6: they wanted to live their life or what they felt like.
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  Speaker 6: And I felt like that my whole life. I felt
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  Speaker 6: like I was born in the wrong place in many ways. And,
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  Speaker 6: you know, and people can take that as an insult
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  Speaker 6: to the environment, but it isn't. It's just... You know,
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  Speaker 6: it's almost like being born transgender to some degree or
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  Speaker 6: something like that. It's an intrinsic feeling that nobody else gets.
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  Speaker 9: I shouldn't be this way.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not supposed to be here. And it's biochemical almost.
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  Speaker 6: And so I moved up to Chicago to live with
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  Speaker 6: my dad. Chicago doesn't, you know, there's a little bit
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  Speaker 6: of entertainment is magic in Kentucky and in most of
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  Speaker 6: the South. Entertainment is magic. You get tapped on the
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  Speaker 6: shoulder and, hey, we're going to make you a star.
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  Speaker 6: which is complete horse shit, but it's great for the
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  Speaker 6: mythology of Hollywood.
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  Speaker 9: It's what keeps everybody trying for that. It's like winning
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  Speaker 9: the lottery to someone.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, except their version of trying is like buying a ticket.
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  Speaker 6: It's not bettering your skill, unfortunately.
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  Speaker 9: It's going on American Idol, but not really having anything.
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  Speaker 6: To back it up. Any songs. Yeah. Not having the
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  Speaker 6: skill to win. I've got the genetic pipes, but I
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  Speaker 6: don't care enough to write songs, which is really what,
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  Speaker 6: if you look at what your idols are like musically...
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  Speaker 6: they don't just sound good. And in many cases, don't
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  Speaker 6: sound good at all. If you go from John Lennon
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  Speaker 6: to Bob Dylan to Brian Johnson of ACDC, a lot
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  Speaker 6: of them sound, quite frankly, by the American Idol factor,
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  Speaker 6: like shit. But they're stars because they bring themselves to
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  Speaker 6: it and they sacrifice and they're not afraid to show
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  Speaker 6: who they are. There's an element of the American Idol
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  Speaker 6: contest aspect that's very popular, this way my mom watches
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  Speaker 6: that shit all the time, is that how far can
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  Speaker 6: you skate... on just what you were given. That's the thing.
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  Speaker 9: So many of them are so talented technically, but yeah, you,
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  Speaker 9: you watch as they start critiquing them. They're like, you,
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  Speaker 9: you don't really have the style. You don't have the,
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  Speaker 9: you don't carry yourself.
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  Speaker 6: You don't have the presence, you know, just cause you
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  Speaker 6: haven't done it.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: You know, and this idea that you can have it
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  Speaker 6: without doing it is unfortunately pervasive, uh, in the arts. And,
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  Speaker 6: you know, and then that's why there's so many, that's
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  Speaker 6: why the failure rate is, you know, 98 to 2%.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: And, It's not because the industry is that harder that
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  Speaker 6: there are that few jobs. Quite frankly, you see so
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  Speaker 6: many people doing the same job in so many different movies,
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  Speaker 6: you could go, there could be nine people who could
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  Speaker 6: play all the roles that... Especially now. Yeah, exactly. But
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  Speaker 6: they're not going to get through, not because the industry
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  Speaker 6: is against them, not because it's tough, but because they
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  Speaker 6: give up too soon. And so I just knew I
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  Speaker 6: was going to do it. That was as simple as that.
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  Speaker 6: Succeed or fail, you just knew you wanted to do
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  Speaker 6: the job. No fail at all. Never any failure. Failure
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  Speaker 6: is never an option. Won't be. Because the idea is
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  Speaker 6: that failure has a clock. Success does not. Even dying trying.
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  Speaker 6: is still succeeding.
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  Speaker 9: I feel like if you just get to the point
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  Speaker 9: of you're making your living that way, you're kind of
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  Speaker 9: successful because you're doing what you want to do, as
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  Speaker 9: opposed to just giving up is failure, truthfully.
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely. In the abstract, failure is not meeting or exceeding
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  Speaker 6: your goals. true dream to some degree, or at least
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  Speaker 6: not shooting for it. I think just making a living
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  Speaker 6: at it if your dream was higher is failure. As
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  Speaker 6: a matter of fact, that's like the American Idol thing.
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  Speaker 6: That's like skating on your natural talent. Skating on your
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  Speaker 6: natural talent to a baseline is a dick move. If
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  Speaker 6: you believe in that sort of thing, it's like spitting
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  Speaker 6: in the face of God. Like, thanks for the great pipes,
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  Speaker 6: but fuck you, I'm not going to I'm going to
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  Speaker 6: work the lounge. I'm not going to learn to write songs. Right, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: I'm going to go, I'm going to be the, like,
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  Speaker 6: you know, whatever, two Jacks and a Jill that, you know, crowd,
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  Speaker 6: they represent Spinal Tap that plays at the Ramada Inn.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Amazing. There's tons of great singers all over this country.
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  Speaker 6: You see them, they're like, they can fuck up a song. Like,
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  Speaker 6: you have not believed, like, oh my God, this person
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  Speaker 6: is great. But there's nothing original about them because cultivating
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  Speaker 6: that is the hard part. Well, I mean, at that
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  Speaker 6: point in Chicago, you.
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  Speaker 9: knowing now you have all these different areas that you
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  Speaker 9: go into what were you drawn to first was it
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  Speaker 9: because you had that roots in comedy listening to it
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  Speaker 9: but I know musically you you know yeah.
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  Speaker 6: None of none of they're all in all of that
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  Speaker 6: to me I believe they're all together I think they're
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  Speaker 6: all expressions because you it's not the they're like delivery
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  Speaker 6: systems you know what I mean you take sugar in
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  Speaker 6: your coffee you eat candy occasionally and sometimes you have
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  Speaker 6: ice cream they're all delivery systems for sugar You wouldn't go,
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  Speaker 6: somebody needs to fucking stop with the variety and sugar
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  Speaker 6: and just give us cubes and knock it off. And
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  Speaker 6: that's arguably what I always feel like when people go,
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  Speaker 6: what's the one you would do if you couldn't do
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  Speaker 6: the others and all that stuff? Which is an abstract
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  Speaker 6: based on a puritanical work ethic that's from Philippians. And
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  Speaker 6: I have no interest in that behaviorally or intellectually or
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  Speaker 6: philosophically at all. And I think it's, especially when it
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  Speaker 6: comes to the arts, it's very suffocating.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: This is so funny because you see this in China
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  Speaker 6: versus the U.S. I see this a lot. America is
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  Speaker 6: supposed to be the bootstrap. You're an individualist. If you
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  Speaker 6: can do something, you have the right to try and
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  Speaker 6: do it as hard as you can do it, as
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  Speaker 6: much as you want, because this is America and you're free.
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  Speaker 6: China is supposed to be the place where it's communist.
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  Speaker 6: They set a roof for you. They pick one job
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  Speaker 6: for you, and if you try to do any other job,
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  Speaker 6: they'll push you back into it. You're not allowed to
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  Speaker 6: do everything else. It's exactly the opposite. In the United States,
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  Speaker 6: if you are an artist and you act, if you
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  Speaker 6: try to sing or do something else, everybody looks at
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  Speaker 6: you cockeyed or thinks you're just trying to be a
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  Speaker 6: dick or you shouldn't be allowed to shine that way.
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  Speaker 6: And you should just pick one thing and stick with
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  Speaker 6: it so you don't confuse us all. In China and
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  Speaker 6: in England too, because this applies to most of Europe
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  Speaker 6: and most of Asia, if you can't sing, dance, act, host,
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  Speaker 6: do comedy, television, and movies together, You're considered kind of
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  Speaker 6: a loser.
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  Speaker 9: Well, I think we got to that in the middle there. Like,
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  Speaker 9: if you go back, like, vaudeville, that was just what
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  Speaker 9: you did. And then we hit that, like, middle area of, like, again,
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  Speaker 9: I think it's when the rest of America started doing that.
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  Speaker 6: It's like we hit that in revolution.
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  Speaker 9: It's like, okay, everybody else in the country got a job.
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  Speaker 6: You pick one.
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  Speaker 9: So it's like it's finally now we're starting to see, like,
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  Speaker 9: they will allow you. Like, the big enough celebrities will
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  Speaker 9: be like, oh, okay, you can put an album out
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  Speaker 9: if you want.
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  Speaker 6: Right, exactly. And be in a movie. But, like, it took.
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  Speaker 9: Up until, like, it was mid-90s, really, before you could
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  Speaker 9: kind of skate by doing that.
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  Speaker 6: It's like, it was so, like, looked down upon. Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: All the way up through the 80s and early 90s.
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  Speaker 6: The irony is it looks like crash commercialism. Crash commercialism
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  Speaker 6: to most people. And so, which it isn't. You know,
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  Speaker 6: I find, and the reason why I do as many
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  Speaker 6: things as I do, is because art is about either
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  Speaker 6: imparting emotion or understanding. Either a clear picture of an
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  Speaker 6: emotion or a clear picture of an alternate circumstance so
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  Speaker 6: that other people... can live a life without having to
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  Speaker 6: go through the whole bit of it. So you play
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  Speaker 6: a farmer so people can watch a movie about a
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  Speaker 6: farmer and learn what it's like to be a farmer
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  Speaker 6: and understand the farmer when they run into him better
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  Speaker 6: rather than have to hang out with farmers all the
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  Speaker 6: time because it's not possible because they live in, you know,
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  Speaker 6: upstate New York or whatever. It's just a window into
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  Speaker 6: some other reality that you don't have. Yeah, so understanding
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  Speaker 6: and emotion. These are your two jobs or whatever. But
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  Speaker 6: each of these art forms, you can only portray certain
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  Speaker 6: emotions that are germane to the art.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: You can do rage in music. In my band, I
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  Speaker 6: can write songs and I can scream my guts out
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  Speaker 6: and veins on my neck can pop out and I
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  Speaker 6: can genuinely gin up the emotion of rage and it
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  Speaker 6: serves me in projecting a song. On stage doing stand-up,
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  Speaker 6: it's not appropriate and it would kill the humor. Real
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  Speaker 6: rage would destroy the joke of it. You can do annoyance.
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  Speaker 6: Annoyance is tremendously funny, but you can't do annoyance in
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  Speaker 6: music because it seems like a parody.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Then it's just... Then you're not doing serious music. You're
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  Speaker 6: just writing about things that are... Then you become kind
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  Speaker 6: of a pop novelty act, which might as well be
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  Speaker 6: comedy to begin with. Then it's just sort of one joke.
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  Speaker 6: And then once you've gotten that, you're like.
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  Speaker 7: It's over. Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: And then with acting, you can do any emotion you want,
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  Speaker 6: but you need permission. It has to be in the script.
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  Speaker 6: It has to be at the heralding of the director.
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  Speaker 6: It has to be appropriate to the character.
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  Speaker 5: So.
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  Speaker 6: even though you might feel like I need to rage today,
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  Speaker 6: I've got that in me and I've got, and it
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  Speaker 6: serves the art or I've got to be overjoyed today.
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  Speaker 6: It may not serve what you're actually shooting that day.
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  Speaker 6: It may serve you as the artist, but not the art. No, exactly. Right. Exactly.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: You know, when I did shows with Doug Stanhope in, uh,
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  Speaker 6: in England, we were, you know, we would talk beforehand
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  Speaker 6: or whatever, and he was in a great mood, you know,
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  Speaker 6: we joke around or whatever. And then you go out
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  Speaker 6: and be this kind of, sardonic angry cunty human being
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  Speaker 6: that he loves to be and his audience expects and
• 15:55
  Speaker 6: he and and at one point we were kind of
• 15:57
  Speaker 6: just talking about how you know if they i was
• 15:59
  Speaker 6: like if they knew it that you were smiling before
• 16:01
  Speaker 6: a show they'd they'd lynch you you do realize there's
• 16:04
  Speaker 6: something and he went out and he kind of addressed
• 16:05
  Speaker 6: it on stage he's like i can i had a
• 16:07
  Speaker 6: great day today i read a book by myself in
• 16:09
  Speaker 6: a park and all this stuff and then i got
• 16:11
  Speaker 6: to come here and be miserable for you bastards right
• 16:14
  Speaker 6: i And there's an element to it, he plays a
• 16:17
  Speaker 6: character and there are emotions not germane to his character.
• 16:21
  Speaker 6: And he's not allowed to purvey them and still maintain
• 16:23
  Speaker 6: his character. And in that instance, he might as well
• 16:26
  Speaker 6: be Jim Varney playing Vern or the Hey Vern character
• 16:32
  Speaker 6: or Carrot Top or something at a certain point. Because
• 16:35
  Speaker 6: you've got to, again, you're a delivery system for that sugar.
• 16:38
  Speaker 9: Right. Well, as you get into comedy, you do kind
• 16:41
  Speaker 9: of have to decide how you're going to approach it.
• 16:43
  Speaker 9: So I guess for you, did you feel like you
• 16:46
  Speaker 9: had to find your voice?
• 16:48
  Speaker 6: Is it a different identity for you? All those classes
• 16:53
  Speaker 6: teach you to find your POV and have a distinct POV.
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: And I remember very distinctly going, tell me what... Richard
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: Pryor's distinct POV is. Tell me what George Carlin's distinct
• 17:05
  Speaker 6: POV is. I mean, later he became a curmudgeon, but
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: he was a dissector. Observation. Right. That's what they did best.
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: But he did all of it. He didn't go, you know,
• 17:16
  Speaker 6: he's the fat guy with the fat jokes. He's the
• 17:18
  Speaker 6: bald guy with the bald jokes. He's Italian and he
• 17:19
  Speaker 6: tells Italian jokes. He's Mexican and he does Mexican jokes.
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: And that's what they mean. That's what they really mean. Yeah,
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: I wasn't even talking.
• 17:25
  Speaker 9: I'm just like view as, I guess as the artist, like,
• 17:29
  Speaker 9: Do you feel you have to find, or at the time,
• 17:31
  Speaker 9: had to find who you needed to be on stage?
• 17:34
  Speaker 6: Because I know with some people.
• 17:35
  Speaker 9: You kind of click into a different mode when you
• 17:38
  Speaker 9: get on stage.
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: I'm the same person on stage as I am off.
• 17:41
  Speaker 6: I just am slightly louder because of the nature of
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: I don't have as much time. I talk quicker and
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: louder when I'm on stage than I do when I'm
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: off stage, but only just barely. But mainly because if
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: you and I are sitting here, we could yap for
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: three hours. But I know I have a limited amount
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: of time to make an impact. So in that circumstance,
• 18:03
  Speaker 6: I am the same person that if I had to
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: run into a place and tell people the building was
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: on fire, I'm not the same person I am in
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: conversation when I'm not running in to.
• 18:11
  Speaker 9: Go, this fucking building is on fire.
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: You have to be a different version of yourself. You
• 18:17
  Speaker 6: have to heighten who you are because the message is
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: needed and you've got a limited timescape.
• 18:23
  Speaker 7: So.
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: There is something to, the more raw and honest you,
• 18:27
  Speaker 6: the better, I think. I think so. That being said,
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: I did have to change my act slightly when I
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: became famous. Because the understood element of what I was
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: talking about in my act, I understood to be at
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: that time, I'm right and no one is listening. I'm
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: trying to help you people, and no one is listening
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: to me. And as soon as I got on television,
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: the perception is everybody listens to you, whether you deserve
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: it or not. Yeah. Especially in this country.
• 19:00
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: It came across as false.
• 19:02
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: It came across as fake. I don't know.
• 19:05
  Speaker 9: Since then, has it changed, or you've just sort of
• 19:07
  Speaker 9: honed in on this one?
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: No. No, it kind of has clipped back to that,
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: because I do so much extreme... So many extreme projects.
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: Most of what I'm known for now as an actor,
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: between Queer as Folk and even Lab Rats on Disney,
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: myself and the woman who plays my wife, Angel Parker,
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: we're the first mixed-race, black-white couple in a lead role
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: on a network show. There's been all kinds of secondary,
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: but we're the first ones where this is the main family,
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: we have a mixed-race family, that's that. It's a big deal.
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: That's not the point of the show. That's a huge step.
• 19:44
  Speaker 9: It's awesome.
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: That is not the gimmick of the show. No, not
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: at all. It just is, and it's really terrific. It
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: kind of reminds me of what they supposedly said when
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: Sigourney Weaver was, you know, like cast in Alien, essentially.
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: The producers were talking to the screenwriter and they went,
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: you know, we love the script and we love the
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: changes and all this kind of. One question, though, and
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: this is weird. Maybe I'm missing something. Maybe I'm dumb.
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: Is Ripley a man or a woman? Because it didn't say. Exactly.
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: And while they were on the phone, they looked at
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: each other, like kind of covered the phone and went,
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: it's a she. She's a woman. She's a woman. Okay.
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: And that was that. That was what made Ripley an
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: alien woman. That's amazing. That moment. And it should be
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: like that. The character was written ambiguously, and what she
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: infused in it, her fighting emotion, which kept her femininity,
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: but her toughness, which didn't eliminate her femininity, but also
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: created something deeper in the character than some macho dickhead dude.
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: was terrific.
• 20:40
  Speaker 9: So it made it her character and it made it
• 20:43
  Speaker 9: what you liked about her.
• 20:45
  Speaker 7: Exactly.
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: And so that, you know, playing this role, being on
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: Queer as Folk, like now people are like, Oh yeah,
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: this dude is kind of yelling fire in a crowded theater.
• 20:55
  Speaker 9: Well, is it, I mean, as far as getting into acting,
• 20:58
  Speaker 9: was it something you specifically set out to do or
• 21:01
  Speaker 9: you said you wanted to do?
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: I was just a natural part of it. Cause at
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: that time, um, I was really into, uh, Billy Crystal, too.
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: Billy Crystal put out a comics line, this special he did,
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: which is almost a one-man show, but it had so
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: many characters in it. It was incredible. And I remember
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: watching this going, this is fantastic. This dude is shoehorning
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: everything he could possibly do short of tap dancing into
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: his stand-up act. Still manning a mic, no gimmicks, no bullshit,
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: no picking up a guitar, no playing slides. Just him.
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: And within the context of that, he brought it, man.
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: In his day, like, yeah, he delivered on all that stuff.
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: And he was acting at the same time. He was in,
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: you know, one of my favorite movies at the time
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: was when I had moved to Chicago was Running Scared.
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: It's set in Chicago. And he and Gregory Hines are
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: just fantastic in it. And again, it was, you know,
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: Gregory Hines, one of those guys, accidental crossover. I was
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: always disregarded as an actor. Because he was a tap
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: dancer first.
• 22:00
  Speaker 9: And we still regarded him as nothing but a dancer.
• 22:03
  Speaker 9: But you look at that career he had.
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: And he chews the scenery with everybody. He made a
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: movie with De Niro. And De Niro is ice skating
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: uphill to keep up with how natural and comfortable Gregory
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: Hines is in character. Amazing. Amazing. And so wanting to
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: do that just with every fiber of my being was
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: like a light switch going on. There was no gradual
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: to it at all. It was like, Oh, that. I'm
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: going to do that.
• 22:29
  Speaker 9: Well, you were, I guess, was it right after graduation,
• 22:31
  Speaker 9: moved to LA?
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: Packed all my shit in my car and went.
• 22:34
  Speaker 9: So how do you approach it from that point? Is
• 22:37
  Speaker 9: it like acting lessons or improv?
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: No. All of that? No, I didn't. No schooling.
• 22:42
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: Schooling was sort of the bane of my existence. My
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: high school had a very big performing arts wing. Didn't
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: really have a division, but it was a, New Cherry
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: High School has a, theater the size of the Civic Auditorium, basically,
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: Gaffney Auditorium, which is this giant, we did a two-story
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: set in the first play I was in, in Brighton
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: Beach Memoirs. Like, huge. That's impressive for high school.
• 23:09
  Speaker 9: And high school then, I mean, now there are some
• 23:11
  Speaker 9: that get tons of money thrown at them.
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but they're mainly art schools. This was not. But
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: there's like Senators kids that went to this school. It
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: was a very rich neighborhood. It got all the resources
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: it could possibly ever want. And from that, I distinctly
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: had this idea that this is all the schooling I need.
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: And I went to Second City. I was studying at
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: Second City when I was in high school at the
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: same time. I still feel that's the best acting school
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: in the country because it teaches you all you need
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: to know, which is know your point in the scene,
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: don't have an agenda, and listen. Was it more skit-oriented
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: for you or improv? Oh, sketches, yeah. Straight-up sketches. Because
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: the idea is you do improv to get the sketches.
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: That's what Second City, that was the difference with, like, Groundlings,
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: which I fucking hate. Just straight improv drives me crazy.
• 23:58
  Speaker 9: But sketches can be amazing.
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: If done right. Even Groundlings was like, take your crazy
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: character and just set them loose amongst normal people. And
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: to me, there's a hostility to the audience in that.
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: And to your fellow performers. If you can't write to
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: the strengths of the other people in the scene... what
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: Groundlings always did to me was it take great comedic
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: performers and make them sit down and do waiter sketches
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: where the waiter is crazy. And the person sitting at
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: the table is offended and freaked out on their date
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: night or whatever. And just scene after scene, shame shit.
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: And where, whereas second city was like you improv and
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: everybody brings their a character and it's not competition. Everybody's
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: just trying to like make each other laugh more than anything.
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: And I love that place for it. And so in
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: learning that, like, not having a joke even though I
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: did stand up and I had a place for my
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: joke so I didn't ever have to push it which
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: was great and then I was in bands in high
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: school because I wanted to be in a band in
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: high school.
• 24:57
  Speaker 9: Fuck you that's the band mentality yeah right.
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: Isn't it and the idea that you know everybody wanted
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: to tell you what to do just like you know
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: really like settle down focus on this and I'm like
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: I am focusing I'm focusing on being an entertainer I'm
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: focusing on being a performer and my performance comes in
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: several different shapes executives and CEOs and middle management people
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: and even people on a factory floor have more than
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: one job. It's the same job. They're still building a car,
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: but they build the car in meetings with their coworkers,
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: in design meetings, sitting at home, looking up stuff on
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: their competitors. There's many different ways you do the job
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: of building a car as a CEO or as a
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: middle management person or on the line, whatever. And that's
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: what I'm doing. I'm just on the line working. doing
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: the three jobs that do what my job is, which
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: is really understanding. And even stand-up is... I read a
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: book recently that was sort of a postulate on what
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: stand-up is for, what comedy is for in society, in
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: a highly evolved animal, why we come up with jokes,
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: where that comes up. And it's because the more complex
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: social structures become, the more frustrating they can be and
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: damaging to you on a cellular level. so comedians literally
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: our job is to debug the social structure so everybody
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: can realize it's not just them and they can move
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: past it otherwise what we do is we hit these
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: walls of frustration and that's what the school shooters of
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: the world are about or these fucking Clive and Bundy
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: cunts are you know it's just because these people are
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: they've stopped at a point where the world is too
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: confusing for them and they can't negotiate their way out
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: and a comedian's job is to go You can't negotiate
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: your way out of that, so blow that part off.
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: But you can negotiate your way out of this, and
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: this is how you do it. Next time somebody says
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: something like this, you whip this on them. And that's
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: what we do.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:50
  Speaker 9: Well, it is finding those, because that became sort of
• 26:53
  Speaker 9: a cliche in that big boom in the 80s that
• 26:55
  Speaker 9: everybody was kind of drawing from that same material. But
• 26:58
  Speaker 9: I guess it is you finding the common situations in life.
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: That you can find the comedy in.
• 27:04
  Speaker 9: And that, I guess, diffuses what everybody goes through in
• 27:07
  Speaker 9: their everyday life.
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: Right. And I think what Really what people mean in
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: a distinct POV is you can't hit the same topics
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: everybody else is hitting all the time unless you have
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: the most unique, obtuse version of it. Which some people do.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:21
  Speaker 9: It's amazing when you see somebody that just comes from
• 27:23
  Speaker 9: an angle that nobody else could ever do.
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: Right. I mean, that's arguably what Carlin did with The
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: Greatest Bullshit Story Ever Told or A Place for My Stuff.
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: A Place for My Stuff is the quintessential... way of
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: dealing with consumer technology and society. Just like the idea
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: of buying and having, you know, as a main purpose
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: in life is fucked up. And a lot of people
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: felt empty after being able to, after the 50s and
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: 60s and being able to buy their way into the
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: middle class, felt an emptiness about having all this stuff,
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: but not what to do with it or what, you know,
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: what it meant to them or any of that stuff.
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: And so he writes this bit that basically wraps it
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: all up. And you feel less attached to your stuff
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: or other people's shit, as.
• 28:11
  Speaker 7: He would say.
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: And the same thing with, you know, the greatest bullshit
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: story ever told is essential diatribe on religion. You know,
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: the invisible man in the sky who watches you every
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: minute of every day. And if you do something wrong,
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: he'll send you to a place of fire and burning
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: and death and torture forever and ever. But he loves
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: you and he needs money. That piece wraps it up.
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: You don't need to hit it again. It's like Bill
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: Cosby's bid on dentists. Like, other people have taken a
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: pass at dentists. You can't do that. Nobody needs to.
• 28:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: And dentistry hasn't changed that much to where, you know,
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: the next time there's a big update in dentistry where
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: we've all shifted, then there'll need to be a new bit.
• 28:51
  Speaker 9: Well, that was him in the family situation, too. Like, he,
• 28:54
  Speaker 9: that himself special where he just, like, defined it so
• 28:57
  Speaker 9: much that they built a sitcom around it, you know?
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: Well, that was what they used to try to do.
• 29:01
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: But the other thing, too, is... But that was kind
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: of the first one, really. Mm-hmm. Sort of. The first
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: one that seemed like it was very specific. Jack Benny's
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: stand-up became a radio show, became a lot of vaudeville,
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: became shows or movies.
• 29:16
  Speaker 9: But that seemed like a tailor-made, like, this is the
• 29:19
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  Speaker 6: you know.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: You haven't seen enough movies. All of life's riddles are answered.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: In the movies.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: And now, on with the show.
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: I don't know what they have to say.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: It makes no difference anyway. Whatever it is, I'm against it.
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: No matter what it is or who.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: Commenced it, I'm against it. Your proposition may be good,
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: but let's have one thing understood. Whatever it is, I
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: am against it.
• 33:51
  Speaker 6: That's good. Cool. Don't wear them out.
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: 25.
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: It's going to be like an hour before I'm even
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: on stage, for fuck's sake. Yeah, so the goal is
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: what people mean when they say find your POV. They
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: don't know anything. They use that phraseology. What they think
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: they mean is some sort of, like, you know, find
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: your take on the world. They don't mean that. What
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: they mean is narrowcast your jokes to an easily digestible format.
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: His show's starting in the background. So, I mean, there's
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: a lot of room for a lot of different voices
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: out there, and everybody does need to handle it. And
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: you've got, you know, the Mitch Hedberg, Stephen Wright world,
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: where you're just... fucking with language. That's all you're doing.
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: You're just inverting words. And this is what Groucho Marx did.
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: He just inverted words. And Carlin had bits like that, too.
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: Carlin dissects words. Oh, yeah. Better than anybody. Yeah, breaks
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: down the central structure of how we use them and
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: the falsity of them. All they do is flip them.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: Ant farm. Those fuckers didn't grow shit. It's just a
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: use of... It's not... Yeah. You know... And there's room
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: to do that with a lot of things. I have
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: a bit about cake and how it's the most overused
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: word in the world. That kind of stuff. Because we
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: use it for cheesecake, which isn't a cake. It's a pie.
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: But nobody would eat cheese pie because it's disgusting. And
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: you never put fucking icing and candles on cheesecake. Just stop.
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: It's cheese pie. Just call it cheese pie. And secondly,
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: urinal cake. You just tack cake on stuff to make
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: it seem better. Even yellow cake. We do it so
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: much that when Iraq was accused of handling nuclear materials,
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: people said yellow cake, and you're like, I like that.
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: That's the lemon kind, right? Usually with vanilla frosting.
• 35:41
  Speaker 9: It's the best version we can come up with, yeah.
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: Yellow cake. So anyways, most overused were in attachment form. So,
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: I mean, there's always room for those because they either
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: haven't been attacked yet and dealt with, and we do
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: hitch them. What happens is psychologically human beings bump against
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: those all the time, all day long. You bump against
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: these things, and they hit you, And you don't know
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: why it's weird. And you have a cross articulation where
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: your brain goes, but that means, um, and you'd skip
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: past it because you got other shit to do. But
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: what it does is it's, it's like a brick that
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: gets laid on this wall of stress in front of you.
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: And so as a comedian, what you do is you
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: come in and you knock the wall down and you go,
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: this brick is not important. This brick is also not important.
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: This brick is very important and you've been missing it.
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: And that's the, well, it gets.
• 36:29
  Speaker 9: All the stuff that you're, walled behind there and gets
• 36:32
  Speaker 9: some of it out of the way and defuses to
• 36:34
  Speaker 9: the floor.
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: Exactly. Like, this isn't important. Get on with your shit.
• 36:36
  Speaker 9: Yeah, you can move past this whole wall. Just hang
• 36:38
  Speaker 9: on to this brick.
• 36:39
  Speaker 7: It's important.
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly. Use this brick to hit someone. The next
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: time you see them, some dickhead is waving this brick around.
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: I want you to pick it up and hit him
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: in the head with it. Metaphorically.
• 36:47
  Speaker 9: We're not endorsing bricking people.
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: Hitting people with a brick. Bricking people, yeah.
• 36:51
  Speaker 7: Bricking people.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:53
  Speaker 9: Well, we end up doing a lot of talk on movies. Like,
• 36:57
  Speaker 9: how many you've already referenced in this.
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: I just like to get people's taste in movies.
• 37:00
  Speaker 9: What is your, just as a viewer, what is it
• 37:03
  Speaker 9: that you've been drawn to over the years?
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: I like, I mean, I watch certain movies over and
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: over again. So I like having movies that are layered.
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: Blade Runner's my favorite movie.
• 37:14
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: Although, I have seen Fletch probably, It has to be
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: well over a thousand times.
• 37:20
  Speaker 9: As comedies go, that's pretty damn good.
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah. It's hard to beat. And the more you watch it,
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: the more you realize that Andrew McDonald, who wrote the script,
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: I hope I'm not forgetting his name, but yeah, snuck
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: in all these secondary phrases to tie the character together.
• 37:40
  Speaker 6: So he's such a well-constructed character while going on very
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: little dialogue. And even Chevy Chase throws in these little
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: repeat beats. Like, no, never, never. That kind of thing. Like,
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: he says that in two distinct points, just as his
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: way of like, oh, this is what this guy will do.
• 37:56
  Speaker 9: That's why I think that one works so well. It's like,
• 37:58
  Speaker 9: it's not like, like so many movies now. Again, the
• 38:01
  Speaker 9: comedies get worse and worse, it feels like. But they'll
• 38:03
  Speaker 9: do this little offshoot thing, and it doesn't even feel
• 38:06
  Speaker 9: like it's part of the movie. It's a side skit
• 38:08
  Speaker 9: or this different character. He's doing different characters, but they
• 38:12
  Speaker 9: all feel like they are that guy. They are Fletch.
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: This is how he deals with situations. Right. Same thing
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: with Beverly Hills Cop. Oh, yeah. It's an organic transition
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: into character that he does. When he steps up at
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: the guy and goes, can you tell Ramon that he
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: met about a week? Like, this is this guy coming
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: up with the, okay, what will make this asshole really
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: uncomfortable and get me past it?
• 38:33
  Speaker 9: It's not him doing it because he's in Beverly Hills.
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: He does that in Chicago. This is his job. This
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: is how he operates. Exactly. And he tailors the character
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: he's talking to to that person as a part of
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: a flim flam. He's scamming the guy. And he's used
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: that as a tool before. And they establish that in
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: the later movies as well. That, to me, is how
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: you do it. You don't just go, I'm going to
• 38:57
  Speaker 6: act wacky to make people uncomfortable. And there's value to that.
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: I mean, you look at high anxiety, for example. Mel
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: Brooks has– even there's a point where they're trying to
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: sneak past airport security, and he goes, you've got to
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: be loud and obnoxious because psychologically people won't see you.
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: So they act like two old Jews and don't understand
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: why they're being yelled at. And it's great. And it's
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: both– makes the rule and breaks the rule at the
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: same time. Like he just does it because that's his
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: old shtick. There's no particular reason why that character would
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: pick that guy. except that Mel Brooks is an old
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: Jew and that works. But it applies once he puts
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: it in the plot. Yeah, exactly. It's playing to your strengths.
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: It's finding a way to do it. I like layered movies,
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: like I said. I don't believe in guilty pleasures because
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: I don't give a shit about your opinion about the
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: movies I like. That is such a novel concept to
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: most people. So many people, like, the movies.
• 39:53
  Speaker 9: That I will be drawn to, sometimes they would describe as,
• 39:56
  Speaker 9: I'm like, I just find things about them, like, they
• 39:58
  Speaker 9: may not have been successful, but, like, there's so many
• 40:01
  Speaker 9: fascinating aspects to these other weird little movies that, like,
• 40:05
  Speaker 9: there's nothing guilty about it.
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: It's impressive on some level, even if you don't like it. Right. Well,
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: I just don't dictate my taste on what other people like.
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: If I know somebody and I take their opinion very
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: seriously and they recommend something, I'll go. Yeah. But I
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: also am not horrified at, you know, at the lack
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: of box office on some of your and clearly near
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: as neither is the rest of the world because Citizen
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: Kane was a flop.
• 40:31
  Speaker 9: Yeah. Well, I mean, that's you look at, especially now
• 40:34
  Speaker 9: that we have ways to preserve these movies that you
• 40:37
  Speaker 9: see the ones that are that, you know, stand the
• 40:39
  Speaker 9: test of time. And most of them were, you know,
• 40:41
  Speaker 9: Vertigo made no money up until like. The 2000s when
• 40:44
  Speaker 9: they went, oh, this is genius. Like we remastered it
• 40:46
  Speaker 9: and we realized the thing that we, you know, we
• 40:49
  Speaker 9: kind of threw down as one of.
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: His other movies. Right.
• 40:52
  Speaker 9: It's no rear window. And now all of a sudden
• 40:54
  Speaker 9: it's ranked as the number one movie in history.
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: Right, right.
• 40:57
  Speaker 9: So, yeah, it really, you see as time goes on
• 41:00
  Speaker 9: what holds up and what stands the test of time.
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: Well, I think Oscars should be given out six years
• 41:05
  Speaker 6: after movies come out. Well, because you go back and
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: you'll look through those lists and you'll be like, really?
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: That won Best Picture that year? Yeah, totally. It's absurd.
• 41:12
  Speaker 6: How did that win Best Picture? You want to really
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: fuck with your attitude towards movie popularity. Go read books
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: that are the accumulative reviews, like the Siskel and Ebert
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: books or whatever. Michael Medved or one of these assholes
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: who comes up and you look at what they gave
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: stars at the time. And you realize that they gave
• 41:31
  Speaker 6: The Shining two stars and they gave Zapped two stars.
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: You know what I mean? Seriously, we all know Zapped
• 41:38
  Speaker 6: is amazing. Yeah, right. Zapped deserved those two stars. It
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: didn't deserve one. It may not have earned three in
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: that regard, but it was a solid two, no problem.
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: But The Shining, the fact that The Shining now shares
• 41:48
  Speaker 6: that forever, that there is such a contextual... bullshit.
• 41:52
  Speaker 9: Level that's what I was always like it's rare that
• 41:55
  Speaker 9: reviewers will do that but I think Eberg specifically would
• 41:58
  Speaker 9: go back occasionally and he'd be like you know what
• 42:01
  Speaker 9: I was wrong and he'd rewrite a review 15-20 years
• 42:04
  Speaker 9: later and be like you know what I missed the
• 42:06
  Speaker 9: point of this movie when it came out rarely would
• 42:08
  Speaker 9: you have somebody be like oh guess what I'm not
• 42:10
  Speaker 9: perfect all the time I'm just a guy watching movies
• 42:13
  Speaker 9: where so many of them take themselves so seriously that
• 42:16
  Speaker 9: yeah it's like because they think they're the arbiter I
• 42:19
  Speaker 9: laid down the law this movie sucks and you're like
• 42:21
  Speaker 9: maybe you were just kind of an idiot that day.
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: Well, like, one of my favorite movies is L.A. Story.
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: And it is, you know, it's a Steve Martin movie.
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: It got a total pass by people or whatever. But
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: you can watch it 30 times and still each time
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: find something really fantastic. Like, Mary Lou Henner in it
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: is just fucking bulletproof. She's so goddamn funny and mean
• 42:41
  Speaker 6: and awful.
• 42:42
  Speaker 9: And it's one of the few that, like, it changes.
• 42:44
  Speaker 9: It is one of those that changes styles. Like, you
• 42:46
  Speaker 9: get the silly, like, freeway shooting scene that seems like
• 42:49
  Speaker 9: it's not even in that. Like, and then it's him seriously, like,
• 42:52
  Speaker 9: having this.
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: It's got an Enya soundtrack.
• 42:53
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and having, like, having this existential conversation with a sign.
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: You know? It has the ending, the ending is the
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: same as The Tempest. Yeah, it's like... It changes the
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: weather with his heart.
• 43:03
  Speaker 9: It shouldn't work, but it does, because it was so
• 43:06
  Speaker 9: well put together.
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's, and, and by the way, that's Steve Martin
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: trying to be Woody Allen. Steve Martin has always been
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: chasing Woody Allen his entire career.
• 43:13
  Speaker 9: And when he, when he tries, he can do it.
• 43:16
  Speaker 9: It's funny that, like, sometimes he just seems like, well,
• 43:18
  Speaker 9: I need a paycheck, and, like, Some of the other movies,
• 43:22
  Speaker 9: they kind of work on their own level.
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: He just never directed. He just never went to, he
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: went to perform, he stayed with performing, he never directed.
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: Banjo took over his life. Yeah, well, interesting, Banjo took
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: over his life by not doing it. It's like the
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: same situation where, I've always said that super rich people
• 43:38
  Speaker 6: and super poor people both love money more than anybody
• 43:41
  Speaker 6: in the world. People in the middle don't necessarily, but
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: really poor people and really rich people both think money
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: will solve all their problems. Or, you know, And certainly
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: being poor, it will solve more problems than it will
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: if you're rich.
• 43:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 43:55
  Speaker 6: But it's, you know, by hiding from the banjo, it
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: took more of his life than just embracing it. Yeah.
• 44:02
  Speaker 6: And he literally had to, he had it in the
• 44:04
  Speaker 6: corner of his house, like staring at it like it
• 44:06
  Speaker 6: was haunting him for decades.
• 44:08
  Speaker 9: Well, and it's funny, he's just so in love with
• 44:10
  Speaker 9: that and like, Everything I read about him is like
• 44:13
  Speaker 9: he doesn't really want to talk about comedy.
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: I wrote a book about comedy. That's it. I'm done
• 44:17
  Speaker 6: with it. But I'll talk.
• 44:18
  Speaker 9: Banjo all day long.
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: But he's also funny now. I saw him when he
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: first started playing banjo again. He wouldn't talk at all
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: during songs. Now he's got jokes the whole. He's doing
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: a bit.
• 44:28
  Speaker 9: It's a shtick.
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: I mean, he started doing that in the 70s. That
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: was his thing. Right.
• 44:32
  Speaker 9: I brought it on stage with him because, you know,
• 44:35
  Speaker 9: that was that made him different on one hand. But
• 44:37
  Speaker 9: at the same time, he kind of just loved it.
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: It was also the same thing he did at Knott's
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: Berry Farm. He just took his act and carried it
• 44:42
  Speaker 6: into clubs and things weren't as cut and dry stand
• 44:44
  Speaker 6: up wise back then as they are now. And I'm
• 44:48
  Speaker 6: I will make no qualms about the fact that as
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: a stand up, I'm a purist. I have my buddy
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: Chris Bono who normally opens for me. He's a guitar comic.
• 44:55
  Speaker 6: I have no problem with what he does or whatever.
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: But for me, it's not stand up unless it's just
• 44:58
  Speaker 6: you and a microphone.
• 44:59
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: You create– and maybe it's because I fell in love
• 45:02
  Speaker 6: with bits like Black Ben the Blacksmith, which is a
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: Richard Pryor bit, and Hank's Place, which he also did,
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: which are all these character pieces and the like, and
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: Robin Williams and Steve Martin, to some degree, just like
• 45:17
  Speaker 6: the wording of the jokes that he did. And almost
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: the ironic part of Steve going, I can make any
• 45:24
  Speaker 6: sound effect or whatever, and he would just make this
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: stupid sound effect. Oh, look at this one, an edible
• 45:29
  Speaker 6: coin effect. And then I walk outside and I start
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: up the car. Then the atom bomb went off. Thank you.
• 45:41
  Speaker 6: I can make any sound. He was messing with guys
• 45:43
  Speaker 6: who actually could do that. So, I mean, I don't know.
• 45:46
  Speaker 9: Would you, the people that do kind of get into
• 45:49
  Speaker 9: a weird character when they're on stage, like that is
• 45:52
  Speaker 9: a separate character?
• 45:53
  Speaker 6: I mean, is that? Nope. It's okay for them, but
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: you just don't want anything to do with it. Well,
• 45:57
  Speaker 6: I loved when Bobcat, like I was a huge Bobcat
• 46:00
  Speaker 6: Goldplay fan. When he ran from the character, I was
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: pissed at him.
• 46:03
  Speaker 9: But it's one of those, I don't even know that he,
• 46:06
  Speaker 9: it seems like he fell into it. Because even at
• 46:08
  Speaker 9: the time, there were times when it felt like he
• 46:10
  Speaker 9: hated doing it, but it was the only thing that.
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: People wanted from him. He didn't hate it. He was
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: embarrassed by it. It's not the same thing. It definitely is.
• 46:18
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 46:18
  Speaker 6: He doesn't want.
• 46:19
  Speaker 9: Anything to do with it now, but people still chase
• 46:21
  Speaker 9: him down with that, and that's what they want from him.
• 46:24
  Speaker 6: I do a sick Bobcat impersonation and always have. And
• 46:27
  Speaker 6: I used to embarrass the family doing it, you know. And,
• 46:30
  Speaker 6: you know, I'd have grandparents come over and go, hi,
• 46:33
  Speaker 6: thank you very much. Come in, Grandma. I have a
• 46:38
  Speaker 6: story to tell you. You know, like that. That's amazing. Yeah,
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: I love that.
• 46:42
  Speaker 7: Shit, man.
• 46:42
  Speaker 6: That Meat Bob album is phenomenal. Oh, amazing. Share the
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: Warmth is an amazing special. When he goes out in
• 46:48
  Speaker 6: the audience and he sits down and goes, you suck!
• 46:52
  Speaker 6: I wanted to see this shit. I would have went
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: to the Greyhound station. Like, that's so fucking funny. See,
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: that's the thing.
• 46:57
  Speaker 9: It felt like he had the material and he didn't
• 46:59
  Speaker 9: really have to force it into that character.
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: But it worked. But in a way, it's like you
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: could see, like, there's such solid jokes. Police Academy killed
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: his character, not the things. And it was a paycheck.
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: And he was, like, and he was embarrassed by the
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: paycheck he took to do that. And, you know, it's like,
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: at a certain point, again, I live a relatively guilt-free life.
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: Because I don't give a fuck. Yeah. And doing what
• 47:22
  Speaker 6: you want to do. Right. That makes it easy. He
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: gives a fuck. Yeah. There are things that by his
• 47:28
  Speaker 6: metric I should be embarrassed of in my past, in
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: my work, but I'm not. And I find being embarrassed
• 47:35
  Speaker 6: by your past embarrassing.
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: I feel like, and so I love certain movies that
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: people somehow have decided they're going to hate whether they
• 47:45
  Speaker 6: watch them or not. Like Joe vs. the Volcano.
• 47:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: I love Joe versus the volcano.
• 47:49
  Speaker 9: That's finally coming back around. Like I hear people now
• 47:51
  Speaker 9: that are like, Oh, I love that movie. But like
• 47:53
  Speaker 9: it took 20 years before people started like giving it
• 47:56
  Speaker 9: a chance. I bought it on VHS as soon as
• 47:58
  Speaker 9: it was available. I love that frigging movie. I, I
• 48:00
  Speaker 9: recommend it to everybody. Um, it's, you know, and in
• 48:03
  Speaker 9: it sort of it and LA story and defending your
• 48:06
  Speaker 9: life and a couple others are in my like top
• 48:09
  Speaker 9: five spiritual movies of all time, you know, including, uh,
• 48:12
  Speaker 9: mind walk, which is, you know, Sam Watterson and John Hurt.
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: And I forget the woman's name in it because she's
• 48:18
  Speaker 6: a French actress. But so it's a poet, an astrophysicist
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: and a politician walking around Mont Saint-Michel in France, having
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: a conversation about systems thinking. I love that one for
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: the list. Yeah. Mind walk. Great, great movie. Great movie.
• 48:36
  Speaker 6: And these are movies that either got passed over, didn't
• 48:40
  Speaker 6: get noticed, or the people decide, like Ishtar or something,
• 48:43
  Speaker 6: they just decided they hated because other people hated it,
• 48:45
  Speaker 6: which is the worst reason to hate something. Officially, the
• 48:48
  Speaker 6: worst reason to hate something is because you're supposed to,
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: because other people don't like it. That's the dumbest fucking
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: thing you can possibly do in your art choice in
• 48:57
  Speaker 6: the world.
• 48:57
  Speaker 9: That's one of the few things I've always tried to
• 49:00
  Speaker 9: do with this, is like, it's so easy, everybody gets,
• 49:02
  Speaker 9: especially in this.
• 49:03
  Speaker 6: Little internet world that we all live in now, that like.
• 49:05
  Speaker 9: As soon as something gets, like, people start trashing on
• 49:07
  Speaker 9: the internet, it just becomes the thing to do. And
• 49:10
  Speaker 9: it's like, I'll make fun of it after I see it.
• 49:13
  Speaker 6: If it warrants it, It's the new Catholic Church. At
• 49:16
  Speaker 6: a certain point, the Catholic Church said, that's heresy. We
• 49:19
  Speaker 6: all agree that that sucks. You're not allowed to like that.
• 49:22
  Speaker 6: And the new heresy is something the internet doesn't approve of.
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: And I don't belong to that church or any other.
• 49:32
  Speaker 6: Most of yours, it seemed like, were that run in
• 49:34
  Speaker 6: the middle there. What are your thoughts on the movies
• 49:38
  Speaker 6: as of now? I guess all of them. You know,
• 49:41
  Speaker 6: I think there are a lot of gems that come
• 49:42
  Speaker 6: out that are, I mean, I thought the new Lego movie,
• 49:45
  Speaker 6: for example, is one of the most subversive movies I
• 49:47
  Speaker 6: have ever fucking seen. Like, I loved Idiocracy. It got
• 49:51
  Speaker 6: totally hidden. Yeah. But Legoland played everywhere. And that whole
• 49:54
  Speaker 6: thing going, but, you know, but Octane Corporation makes all
• 49:57
  Speaker 6: kinds of things. All history books, voting machines. Hey, wait
• 50:00
  Speaker 6: a second.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 50:02
  Speaker 6: Food, dairy products, ice cream, popular music, voting machines, all
• 50:06
  Speaker 6: history books. Hey, wait a sec.
• 50:07
  Speaker 9: Like that's fucking genius.
• 50:10
  Speaker 6: What was I thinking about? I don't even remember. Did
• 50:12
  Speaker 6: he say put to sleep? I don't remember. Let's watch. Hey,
• 50:15
  Speaker 6: where are my pants? Like that.
• 50:17
  Speaker 9: It's that Pixar mentality. It's just like we're making this
• 50:20
  Speaker 9: for kids, but we're not really making.
• 50:21
  Speaker 6: This for kids. Well, that's because those guys grew up
• 50:24
  Speaker 6: on Warner Brothers cartoons and the old like transvestite trickster
• 50:28
  Speaker 6: that was Bugs Bunny.
• 50:29
  Speaker 9: Well, that's what I always loved about the Warner Brothers.
• 50:32
  Speaker 9: I mean, those cartoons, like, again, if you go back
• 50:34
  Speaker 9: and watch them, they're not made for kids. Like, the references, like,
• 50:38
  Speaker 9: even kids at the time would not have gotten the, like,
• 50:40
  Speaker 9: they throw in weird Hollywood jokes. They throw in political jokes. Like,
• 50:44
  Speaker 9: there's stuff that there's no way a kid would have
• 50:46
  Speaker 9: gotten then.
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: Racism.
• 50:46
  Speaker 6: And now you really don't get it.
• 50:48
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 50:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I... And that's because they know who's got
• 50:51
  Speaker 6: to bring them.
• 50:52
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 50:52
  Speaker 6: They know that you've got to drive them there. It's
• 50:54
  Speaker 6: the same reason they make Scooby-Doo movies after it's all over.
• 50:56
  Speaker 7: Because.
• 50:57
  Speaker 6: Nobody's watched fucking Scooby-Doo in decades, but you want the
• 51:00
  Speaker 6: parents to remember it. And so they're like, hey, I'll
• 51:02
  Speaker 6: bring you this because it's kind of like you'll remember whatever.
• 51:04
  Speaker 9: That's one of the ones I'm surprised. I do keep
• 51:08
  Speaker 9: seeing kids that find that. And I don't know what
• 51:10
  Speaker 9: it is about it. It's some weird stoned mentality that
• 51:14
  Speaker 9: all kids are picking up on. And they don't seem
• 51:18
  Speaker 9: to like the newer ones as much. It is that
• 51:20
  Speaker 9: weird late 60s, early 70s run. Yeah, there's this idea
• 51:24
  Speaker 9: that somehow.
• 51:25
  Speaker 6: that all technology advancement betters something. And that's not the case, clearly.
• 51:31
  Speaker 6: And it's not that... I'm not a vinyl purist in
• 51:35
  Speaker 6: that regard, which some people are. They get hitched up on.
• 51:38
  Speaker 6: But there is something to be said for... We got
• 51:43
  Speaker 6: it right the first time. Yeah. This is all this
• 51:45
  Speaker 6: needs to be.
• 51:46
  Speaker 9: Well, especially in special effects and animation. I think that's
• 51:49
  Speaker 9: a huge thing. You watch the old hand-drawn cell animation stuff.
• 51:52
  Speaker 6: Like Warner Brothers. Heavy Metals, one of my favorite movies.
• 51:55
  Speaker 6: Hanna-Barbera was the lowest end of that. They were pretty cheap. Well,
• 51:58
  Speaker 6: that's what I mean. Hanna-Barbera stuff doesn't as much as
• 52:02
  Speaker 6: the ones that were hand-drawn because there's some heart in it,
• 52:04
  Speaker 6: I think, that escapes the... But like Heavy Metal, the movie,
• 52:08
  Speaker 6: they just put that back on Netflix or whatever. And
• 52:11
  Speaker 6: it's good because I can without having to buy the
• 52:13
  Speaker 6: DVD off of Amazon and wait for it and send
• 52:15
  Speaker 6: it to somebody else. Like, you know, I can introduce
• 52:17
  Speaker 6: it to, you know, like the kids on my show
• 52:20
  Speaker 6: or whatever and go, you got to see this. I forget.
• 52:24
  Speaker 6: I mean, I had such a crush on the, you know,
• 52:27
  Speaker 6: the Valkyrie woman at the end of that thing when
• 52:30
  Speaker 6: I was a kid. Which do you have a favorite segment?
• 52:33
  Speaker 9: That's one of those that really did sort of break
• 52:35
  Speaker 9: it up. I really like the plane, like the World
• 52:38
  Speaker 9: War II.
• 52:38
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah. That's the gruesome.
• 52:40
  Speaker 9: It's short, but that's a great creepy segment.
• 52:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean, I love the one that John Candy
• 52:46
  Speaker 6: voices as... That seems so weird. I think just because
• 52:49
  Speaker 6: I know it's John Candy. He so doesn't fit that
• 52:52
  Speaker 6: in my head, so it's very strange watching that. I'm
• 52:54
  Speaker 6: not going to walk around with my dork hanging out,
• 52:56
  Speaker 6: that whole business. And then I think, honestly, if I
• 52:59
  Speaker 6: really had to boil it down... It is hard to do.
• 53:03
  Speaker 6: The last one is so kind of magical, the last
• 53:06
  Speaker 6: scene of it. It sort of puts a cap on
• 53:08
  Speaker 6: all of it. Morgan Stern, the guy who's on trial
• 53:15
  Speaker 6: or whatever, he'd never do anything immoral. Unless you count
• 53:18
  Speaker 6: all the times he sold dope disguised as a nun.
• 53:22
  Speaker 6: Or anything illegal. Unless you count the preschooler's prostitute ring.
• 53:27
  Speaker 6: You know? So great. I was so pushing the envelope
• 53:29
  Speaker 6: at that point. Oh, my God. To get away with it.
• 53:31
  Speaker 6: All my friends would, like, that was our quotable point was, like,
• 53:34
  Speaker 6: he'd never do anything illegal unless you count all the times,
• 53:38
  Speaker 6: you know, like, oh, God, we would just voice.
• 53:40
  Speaker 9: And then violence and nudity in an animated, you know,
• 53:43
  Speaker 9: in Japan, nobody cared. But in America, like, we didn't
• 53:45
  Speaker 9: know how to deal with that. In Japan, they don't
• 53:47
  Speaker 9: have a choice.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 53:48
  Speaker 6: In Japan, because of the, you know, unconditional surrender. There
• 53:53
  Speaker 6: were all kinds of rules against pornography, and they were
• 53:55
  Speaker 6: written in such a way that would make one believe
• 53:57
  Speaker 6: that MacArthur was actually an angry, closeted homosexual, which is
• 54:02
  Speaker 6: entirely possible. At that period, it's almost understandable that he
• 54:06
  Speaker 6: would hate the world and hate everybody in it who
• 54:07
  Speaker 6: was having a good time, and he wasn't allowed to.
• 54:11
  Speaker 6: Or he was simply a hyper-puritanical dickhead. But he put
• 54:16
  Speaker 6: language in, apparently, about consensual sex. That consensual was the
• 54:20
  Speaker 6: wrong part of it. And that they could have all
• 54:22
  Speaker 6: the rape they wanted. So if you'll notice, Japanese cartoons
• 54:25
  Speaker 6: and Japanese pornography is full of rape because it's the
• 54:29
  Speaker 6: only legally allowed... It's so wrong. It's so wrong.
• 54:34
  Speaker 9: And like warping an entire generation upon generation of this country.
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 54:39
  Speaker 6: And you wonder why their libido has taken a dive.
• 54:42
  Speaker 6: Because their porn's creepy?
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:44
  Speaker 6: Because maybe... once in a while they'd like to believe
• 54:46
  Speaker 6: that both parties are in on it that'd be nice
• 54:49
  Speaker 6: yeah go figure so uh um i for me like
• 54:54
  Speaker 6: like and even like and i'm not you know fritz
• 54:57
  Speaker 6: the cat's a good example i'm not into that one
• 54:59
  Speaker 6: like i of the of the you'd think oh there's
• 55:01
  Speaker 6: nudity in it and it's kind of a you know
• 55:03
  Speaker 6: hip and it's like an adult cartoon that would catch
• 55:05
  Speaker 6: you didn't work for me.
• 55:05
  Speaker 9: As much i i heard about that one for so
• 55:07
  Speaker 9: long i was more amazed that because yeah i was
• 55:09
  Speaker 9: expecting it to be like a it wanted to be
• 55:12
  Speaker 9: like a bad porn movie, but.
• 55:13
  Speaker 6: Like, I was amazed how serious it was.
• 55:15
  Speaker 9: Like, it gets very like, again, by the end, it
• 55:17
  Speaker 9: has almost like a commentary on society.
• 55:20
  Speaker 6: Well, it could not at the time, at the period
• 55:22
  Speaker 6: of time it was going through. Right.
• 55:23
  Speaker 9: It gets so serious that I'm like, I was more
• 55:25
  Speaker 9: impressed with that. I was like, I expected this to
• 55:27
  Speaker 9: be stupid sex and like, you know, here's a dumb
• 55:29
  Speaker 9: animated cat, but like, it was smarter than I expected. Yeah.
• 55:33
  Speaker 6: Well, it's not, the best, but I gave it more credit.
• 55:35
  Speaker 6: It's almost like it turned a corner while they were
• 55:37
  Speaker 6: making it because it took up so long. Because it
• 55:38
  Speaker 6: starts with all that nudity and stuff and then midway
• 55:41
  Speaker 6: in it's just super serious. Yeah, it gets dark quick.
• 55:44
  Speaker 6: And that's because, that's arguably if you look philosophically at
• 55:47
  Speaker 6: the time, that's what would happen. Things are going along
• 55:50
  Speaker 6: fairly swimmingly post-World War II and then all we tried
• 55:55
  Speaker 6: to do was be a little too free and the
• 55:57
  Speaker 6: hammer came down. And that's really what the problem is
• 56:01
  Speaker 6: in Fritz the Cat. All you try to be is
• 56:03
  Speaker 6: a little too free, and the hammer comes down, which
• 56:08
  Speaker 6: is arguably what everybody's afraid of now, which is bullshit
• 56:10
  Speaker 6: because we don't have any of the same problems. It's
• 56:12
  Speaker 6: just silly. The idea of what we think is the
• 56:15
  Speaker 6: lack of freedom is just fucking stupid. We literally have
• 56:19
  Speaker 6: people like Bill O'Reilly who think that being criticized is
• 56:22
  Speaker 6: a violation of their First Amendment rights, as opposed to, No,
• 56:25
  Speaker 6: that's just socially what happens in the world if everybody
• 56:27
  Speaker 6: thinks you're an asshole. That's the world. You're not being
• 56:29
  Speaker 6: put in a stockade. You're not being put under the
• 56:31
  Speaker 6: jail because you said something the government didn't like. You're
• 56:34
  Speaker 6: allowed to say anything. This is the best part of
• 56:36
  Speaker 6: freedom is we can also think you're an asshole. Yeah, exactly.
• 56:39
  Speaker 6: We're actually instigating our First Amendment rights in calling you
• 56:42
  Speaker 6: a dickhead. Except we can't call you a dickhead on
• 56:44
  Speaker 6: the air because that's a violation of the laws of
• 56:47
  Speaker 6: the airwaves, which is funny to me. It's not the hate,
• 56:52
  Speaker 6: it's the words again. And that's why it kind of doesn't,
• 56:55
  Speaker 6: Why will always as comedians be navigating all this stuff?
• 56:59
  Speaker 9: Well, as far as working in some of the... I mean,
• 57:02
  Speaker 9: at this point, the superhero movie has taken over.
• 57:06
  Speaker 6: You're in arguably one of the best ones. Yeah, Spider-Man
• 57:10
  Speaker 6: 2 was great.
• 57:10
  Speaker 9: I'm assuming that scene is what gets all the acclaim
• 57:13
  Speaker 9: and popularity.
• 57:14
  Speaker 6: It's all you're seeing. Yes, right. Well, Sam Raimi said
• 57:18
  Speaker 6: it was his favorite scene in the movie. And all
• 57:20
  Speaker 6: my adult life, I've wanted to work for Sam Raimi.
• 57:23
  Speaker 6: He's my favorite director, hands down. Were you an Evil
• 57:27
  Speaker 6: Dead fan, I'm assuming? Oh, yeah. Yeah, and Army of
• 57:29
  Speaker 6: Darkness and Bruce Campbell. That's my question.
• 57:32
  Speaker 9: Which of those three, or even just the first two,
• 57:35
  Speaker 9: what is your take? The first one or the second
• 57:37
  Speaker 9: one as far as... Oh, the remake and the Evil Dead. Well,
• 57:39
  Speaker 9: I'm just like of Evil Dead 1 and Evil Dead 2,
• 57:41
  Speaker 9: both the Raimi ones. Are you drawing more to the
• 57:43
  Speaker 9: first one or.
• 57:44
  Speaker 6: Evil Dead 2? Evil Dead 2, clearly. See, I like
• 57:47
  Speaker 6: the first one. I like the seriousness of the first one.
• 57:49
  Speaker 6: I feel like it's a good.
• 57:50
  Speaker 9: creepy movie I do too as a movie but as
• 57:53
  Speaker 9: far as Sam Raimi's voice yeah I feel like it
• 57:55
  Speaker 9: is more genuine Raimi when you get to the giant
• 57:58
  Speaker 9: creature when they let themselves do what they wanted to
• 58:01
  Speaker 9: do and that's what if you had a mixture of
• 58:03
  Speaker 9: both it would be kind of perfect right but yeah
• 58:06
  Speaker 9: I like the you know you can get like I
• 58:10
  Speaker 9: like Cabin in the Woods to some degree had some
• 58:12
  Speaker 9: of the sameness of that serious Evil Dead 1 a
• 58:16
  Speaker 9: bit you know even though I feel like the set
• 58:18
  Speaker 9: up in that is so I mean, they're supposed to
• 58:22
  Speaker 9: be badly put together. They're making fun of that. But
• 58:25
  Speaker 9: they're again for something written by Joss Whedon. I was
• 58:28
  Speaker 9: expecting better dialogue, even more clever dialogue that.
• 58:32
  Speaker 6: You know, making fun of how badly most of those
• 58:35
  Speaker 6: movies are knowing and knowing how the movie making process works. uh,
• 58:39
  Speaker 6: I don't fault any screenwriter for any single piece of
• 58:42
  Speaker 6: dialogue that actually makes it in the movie. And I, I, my.
• 58:45
  Speaker 9: Theory is, I think he was at that point, he
• 58:47
  Speaker 9: was also working on Avengers. I think you watch the Avengers.
• 58:50
  Speaker 9: That's where all his dialogue was going.
• 58:51
  Speaker 6: That's where the good dialogue went.
• 58:52
  Speaker 9: Right. So I think he turned over most of cabin
• 58:54
  Speaker 9: in the woods. I think the concept is brilliant. And
• 58:56
  Speaker 9: I think that's probably what he had a lot.
• 58:58
  Speaker 6: To do with. And then that dialogue was, you work
• 59:00
  Speaker 6: on that. I got to go right. Iron man saying
• 59:02
  Speaker 6: something snarky.
• 59:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 59:04
  Speaker 6: Which, yeah. So you watch that. That's, kind of brilliant. Yeah,
• 59:07
  Speaker 6: the sneaking in of yoga, bongo drums, big bag of weed.
• 59:12
  Speaker 6: And they shoot it off camera in case they had
• 59:13
  Speaker 6: to lose it later. That's fascinating. The Legolas reference. Oh, yeah,
• 59:18
  Speaker 6: it's great. Yeah, clench up Legolas. And then even Captain
• 59:23
  Speaker 6: America's best line in all of the Captain America movies.
• 59:26
  Speaker 6: There's only one God, ma'am, and I'm pretty sure he
• 59:27
  Speaker 6: doesn't dress like that. is the perfect Captain America line.
• 59:33
  Speaker 7: It is.
• 59:33
  Speaker 9: Well, that's one of those, again, I was not big
• 59:36
  Speaker 9: on him in the comics, but they kind of found
• 59:38
  Speaker 9: such a good voice for him between all three of
• 59:41
  Speaker 9: those movies. It's like that first one is really interesting
• 59:44
  Speaker 9: because it's a period piece and we get to see
• 59:46
  Speaker 9: him in his element. And then Avengers, you just get
• 59:48
  Speaker 9: to see him trying to play catch up and figure
• 59:50
  Speaker 9: out what the hell's going on. Yeah. But this last one,
• 59:52
  Speaker 9: it's like you really do get to see him immersed
• 59:55
  Speaker 9: in this, he's this Boy Scout character in the middle
• 59:57
  Speaker 9: of a country that has.
• 59:58
  Speaker 6: Now completely turned its back on, yeah. He's Marvel's Superman.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 9: He's got these ideals that nobody else in Marvel really has.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 6: And curiously enough, breaks them every time. In the same
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 6: way that Superman in the original, the best version, The
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 6: only real incarnation of Superman. Yeah, the Christopher Reeve version
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 6: where he says to Lois, I never lie. And you
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 6: believe it, even though he lies every day. His entire
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 6: existence with her is a lie. It's a constant lie.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 6: So to me, there's a beauty to that that's extraordinary
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 6: that he was able to pull off. I don't necessarily
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 6: think it's. fully actualized with Evans quite yet. And I
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 6: don't know if it's his fault or just the way
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 6: it's written, captured. It's a tough one.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 9: It will be interesting to see if they, because they've
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 9: already got that third one scheduled that's just his movie.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 6: I'll tell you, they went a little boyish in his
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 6: look and who he is. And Captain America wasn't that
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 6: at all. He was much more square jawed. Hard World
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 6: War II.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 9: Which again, I think is more of them trying to
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 9: bring him into this new age, it's much harder to
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 9: deal with that World War II persona in the middle
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 9: of what we've got going on now, especially trying to
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 9: sell it. Right.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 6: I think I wasn't a fan of the third Iron Man,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 6: although I like the character and where it does. I
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 6: think it was like the Ewoks moment in Star Wars.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 6: They just kind of like, let's have him have a
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 6: little kid because all these little kids love Iron Man
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 6: and they all want to be Iron Man's best friend.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 9: I feel like it almost worked because of Robert Downey Jr.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 9: If anybody else would have been handed that, it would.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 6: Have been terrible.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 9: I could do it.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 6: I could do it. Well, yeah, sure. You and Robert
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 6: Downey Jr. I could do it.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 9: But most people, I feel like that would have gone
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 9: so wrong.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 6: That's the problem, though. Sometimes they hang it on the
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 6: shoulders of somebody and they're able to chalk up a
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 6: movie with all kinds of bullshit. Which they wouldn't have
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 6: been able to do if the guy couldn't carry it.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 6: The development people would have gone, this just seems weird
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 6: if it wasn't for the fact that he's going to
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 6: be awesome. That felt more like two to me. Two
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 6: just felt like we've got so much stuff. I've got
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 6: to go see where they are in my set eventually
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 6: because we will talk about this all night. We can
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 6: come back to this after the show. I have no
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 6: problem with that whatsoever. Son of a bitch. Yeah, no, I, I,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 6: I will keep talking about this all night. Oh, that's, that's, see,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 6: that's awesome. Yeah.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 9: That's kind of what I love finding is, is cause
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 9: I feel like everybody has that in them. It's like,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 9: you know, they, that love of movies and like anybody
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 9: who can tap into that, that's, I just love finding that.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 6: So, yeah, I mean, I, there's a lot of Chinese
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 6: movies I love that don't get any play over here. Um,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 6: one of the most recent ones is Flashpoint Donnie Yen, uh, movie. And, uh,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 6: I like it, the original Mandarin. I don't like the translations.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 6: I speak Mandarin. So I like to actually, hear the
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 6: real dialogue because it's a much more colloquial and smart
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 6: in that format. The timing of it, the beats of it,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 6: they borrowed so much from American cinema and then they
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 6: gave us so much back. It was like a filter of.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 9: Again, that's sort of that beauty of movie making. It
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 9: does find that voice from people around the world and
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 9: you find what you love and you latch onto that
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 9: and then you give... other pieces of what you're creating
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 9: to other countries and other people in your country. Yeah.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 6: It really, yeah, it is this weird, like, love of
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 6: movie making. Let the Right One In wouldn't be possible
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 6: were it not for Dracula back in the day and
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 6: those kind of... So you're a big Let the Right
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 6: One In fan? Yeah, I love that one, actually. I'm
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 6: a big fan of the pacing of it. I liked,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 6: of the Lars von Trier movies, I liked Antichrist just
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 6: because it was so fucking harsh. And the opening of it,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 6: you can't... It's using, right now because we're such a
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 6: savvy audience, you can see everything coming. That instead of
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 6: playing to that, it's the exact opposite. He's just, I'm
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 6: going to drag it the fuck out since you know
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 6: it's going to happen. And arguably in Melancholia, he does
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 6: the exact, that he shows the planet hit the earth
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 6: in the very beginning. Yeah, you know it's coming. And
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 6: then debates the entire time whether or not you saw
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 6: what you think you saw.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 6: Whether he's telling you it's going to happen or whether
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 6: that's just on everybody's mind or whatever. It's just a
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 6: miserable work of doom. And his ideas about women are
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 6: just horrifying. And quite frankly, I think to some degree
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 6: in Nymphomaniac, he hacks it up a bit because he
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 6: has a kid falling out the window thing again. To
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 6: the point where I'm like, is this supposed to be
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 6: a prequel in part? Because here she is hanging out
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 6: with Willem Dafoe again and they're playing different roles and stuff.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 9: Or is he just obsessed with the same sick, weird things?
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 9: We know he's obsessed with sick.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 6: Weird things.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 6: But at least have some original sick, weird things after
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 6: a while. But I did, like, I loved Martyrs.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 9: Oh, yeah.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 6: Fuck, man.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 7: Dark.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 6: Fuck, that was a rough one. But what a great turn.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 6: What a great, like, and I don't, most people probably
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 6: hearing this might not have seen it, so I'm not
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 6: going to, But it literally shifts movies. What it does is,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 6: I talk about like Cabin in the Woods, it fucks
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 6: with genre in that, oh, I get it. I know
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 6: what's happening here. She's a ghost and she's talking to that. Oh, no, no.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 6: She's alive. She's talking to a ghost. Oh, wait. Neither
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 6: one of them are ghosts. They're both in this guy's mind.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 6: Like that kind of stuff. Like it goes... Yeah.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 9: Which became a little cliche, but that one was doing
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 9: it in such a way that nobody saw it coming
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 9: and nobody knew that.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 6: And then in the end, you end up rooting for
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 6: the evil.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 9: At this point, you've gotten to where so many do that.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 9: You're waiting for the twist so much. So it is
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 9: interesting to see a movie that starts playing on this concept.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 7: Jacking with you.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 9: Yeah. They're just like, well, you know that. So what
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 9: if we don't do that? What if there is no twist?
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 6: What if we're straightforward? Right. It's going to catch off guard.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 6: So to me, there's a... I like those kind of movies.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 6: That's why I love The Shining a lot. I love
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 6: the fact that Stephen King hated it and that Kubrick
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 6: fucks with him by crashing the original red VW. He
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 6: gets it squashed by a semi-truck as they drive past it.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 6: As Scatman Crothers drives past, he kills Scatman Crothers' character,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 6: which doesn't happen in the book. Takes out that stupid
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 6: fucking hedge mage animal.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 6: Scare people again.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 9: I mean it's like it's just a different story like
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 9: it to me I love the way Kubrick does it
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 9: and it's like I guess you could do it the
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 9: Stephen King way he did he still stands by his
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 9: weird miniseries thing but I'm just like Kubrick was making
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 9: a different movie he took that idea but he's making.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 6: A different movie than what you are and he's doing
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 6: it on purpose like he's yeah He's like, I see the.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 9: Essence of something here that I want to do. You know,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 9: who cares what your book's about?
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 9: Which is, again, that's why he was an artist. Like,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 9: that's why he wasn't just cashing a check.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 6: Oh, in the way. Never.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 9: I mean, you see him put a decade of research
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 9: into making a movie.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 6: Well, and Strange Love in and of itself is perfection
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 6: in the essence of the best version of somebody playing
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 6: multiple characters in a movie. And by the way, I
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 6: love it when actors do that, when they do it well.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 6: I'm not, you know. I'm not a fan of Big
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 6: Mama's House and that kind of stuff necessarily. Not that
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 6: it's bad. It's just kind of pedestrian to me. But
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 6: I did think that the Nutty Professor stuff that Eddie did...
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 6: That's what I was going to say. That's one of
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 6: the few times that kind of is impressive. It's fucking
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 6: gnarly impressive. And the idea that he would somehow be
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 6: passed over for an Oscar... Because it's comedy. Or not.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 6: Because it's comedy. Only because it's comedy.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 9: And then they give him a nomination for the one
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 9: time he tries to do a drama.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 6: Well, it's like Kevin Kline getting, you know, it gets
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 6: the one comedy Oscar as a man, basically. And it's
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 6: essentially because he does Shakespeare the rest of the time,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 6: so we know he's legit. And that was a genius performance.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 6: It was. It really was. It's amazing.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 6: But it's also, the only unconvincing performance in that movie,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 6: I find, is Jamie Lee Curtis.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 6: Because, but since she's, her character's full of shit, it's
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 6: hard to tell. Because the hardest role for an actor
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 6: to play is a bad liar.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 6: Because there's levels upon levels there. Because they look like
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 6: they're doing, yeah. I've got to show you that I'm
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 6: not being genuine. So am I a bad actor or
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 6: am I a really good actor? Good actor playing a
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 6: bad liar. And so playing a bad liar is the
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 6: hardest acting role you can possibly do. That's it. And
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 6: she's playing a bad liar in that most of the time.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: Um.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 6: And Palin is just bulletproof. Of the Pythons, I'm a
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 6: Cleese and Palin fan. I love them all, but Palin especially.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 6: Just like this nerve of funniness to him. He seems
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 6: like there's no ego to him either.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: None.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 9: Please is just like, I need to be the star.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 9: Look at how silly I'm going to be. But like
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 9: Palin is just shameless and doesn't expect anything from it.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 6: He's just like, I'm giving you everything I have. Because
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 6: I love doing this. It's just the love of the
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 6: game kind of idea. And it's the same reason why
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 6: I love Martin Short and stuff. If you look at
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 6: like the big picture, which is a relatively, it came
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 6: out the same time as The Player, which got all
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 6: the news and the big picture was this like was
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 6: actually Christopher Guest I think first sort of forgotten Christopher
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 6: Guest yeah yeah and what was her name crap the
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 6: girl who's in it yeah anyways it's gonna drive us
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 6: crazy never mind don't worry about it don't get fixated
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 6: on it it'll funky black hair in the movie. She
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 6: plays the weird friend of his who gets him to
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 6: do the music video for the band, which gets his
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 6: career back. It's a great movie. Martin short plays his
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 6: agent in it. And he's got like, it looks like
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 6: his character had surgery to make his eyes look Asian
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 6: or something on purpose. Like it's that fucked up a
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 6: character that he just makes up. He has no problem
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 6: hamming it up. None. And it's all love of the game.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 6: And I love Martin short for that because he's not
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 6: afraid of what other people's limits are.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 6: And that's really what you're fighting as a comedian most
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 6: of the time is other people's social limitation.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 9: There are times I feel like he pushes it too
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 9: far and he goes too far with it. But I'm like,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 9: I have to admire that because that's just bravery. Just
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 9: be like, I'm going to put this out there and
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 9: it'll work or I'm going to fall on my face.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 6: Jiminy Glick and Lala Wood is a great movie. I
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 6: stand by that statement. And he is so funny in
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 6: that fucking movie. And the conversation about sex with his
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 6: kids and his wife is, you know, and she's just
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 6: farting during the whole. You're just going to break windows.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 6: I'm trying to just explain this to the boys. I
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 6: was 16 and totally unaware. Things would happen to me
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 6: in the downtown area, and I would check myself into emergency.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 6: I would say, have I been stung by a bee?
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 6: And people would laugh at me. I would say, I
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 6: don't want that to happen to you. Just so good.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 6: And immerses himself in character. Yeah, it just does it.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 6: And again, the purity of not giving a fuck.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 6: And the joy of it is contagious in that regard.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 6: And anybody who's turned off by it, I know not
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 6: to hang around. Yeah. Because they are so into themselves
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 6: or so tense inside that in a clutch, they're never
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 6: going to have a good time. Yeah. Or they have
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 6: to be drunk to do it or that kind of shit.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 6: And then they're going to be miserable. Escaping your own
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 6: brain at that point. Exactly, right. And so, anyways, he
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 6: plays the agent. And there's a scene, they're having lunch.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 6: And he's like, you're not just going to get an
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 6: agent from me. You're going to get three things. And
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 6: he holds up his four fingers. An agent, a lawyer,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 6: a manager, a mother, a father, a shoulder to cry on.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 6: He just goes through the six things. And if anybody
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 6: ever tries to fuck with you, I will squeeze them
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 6: by the balls until they're dead. And then at one
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 6: point he interrupts his conversation and he leans over and
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 6: sees someone and he goes, ha ha ha. I'm not
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 6: talking to you. Call me. It's so great. And those
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 6: are his little throw-ins.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 9: Well, it's building that character that's bigger than what's on
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 9: the page. You feel like there's a life outside of
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 9: what he's saying to the camera.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 6: And you could watch a whole movie of just that guy.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 6: And that's the way I think those characters need to live.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 6: And Martin Short does them spectacularly. So I would stand
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 6: by Jiminy Glick and Lala Wood as genius. And it's
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 6: really well crafted as a film. It's shot well. It's
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 6: edited well. The soundtrack is tight. The scenes are terrific.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 6: It follows a classic story structure so it doesn't get lost.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 6: And it's got enough room for his jokes, you know,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 6: where he walks up and, Jesus, and no knife. They
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 6: always make you finger everything. Just so fucking great. I
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 6: was waiting for that. Yeah, I was going to say,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 6: you're going to have to get down there. Yeah, I've
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 6: got to go do a show.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 9: Well, I do want to definitely thank you for hanging
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 9: out and talking movies. That's, again, the best thing about
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 9: this is finding people who appreciate them on that level.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 5: Oh.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 6: When are they going to put History of the World
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 6: Part 1 on DVD or even on iTunes? It's not
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 6: on iTunes. What the hell is that about? The world
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 6: is falling apart. Just do yourself a favor. Go watch
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 6: a Gregory Hines movie, specifically him in Deal of the Century.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 6: Give you a little touch-up. Or Running Scared, the original.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 6: Billy Crystal, don't get distracted with that bullshit uh, Sean
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 6: William Scott movie that they did and stole the name,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 6: which would have been fine, but don't take the same name.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 6: White nights. White nights is serious.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 9: Oh yeah. White nights is watching two dancers. That was
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 9: almost like stunt casting. And yet they're both really good.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 6: They're amazing.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 6: Mikhail Brechnikov wants to come to America where he can
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 6: be free to dance however he wants. And because Gregory
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 6: Hines is black, he feels that he'd be freer in,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 6: in Russia. Uh, amazing commentary, and at the height of
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 6: the Cold War, essentially, when this movie is made.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 9: It is interesting watching, yeah, that Baryshnikov, the plane going
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 9: down in Russia, and like him freaking out, and that
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 9: was a real thing, you know, now it's a different world,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 9: but like, that was the end for him, yeah.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah. It's a great, it's, again, one of those forgotten movies. Oh, incredible. The,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 6: and then, yeah, you need to see Doctor Strange Love,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 6: and you need to watch The Shining, and you need
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 6: to watch Joe vs. Volcano, Defending Your Life, L.A. Story, Fletch,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 6: Fletch Lives is even a good time, I will tell
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 6: you that. It's not as good.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 9: It always seemed weaker, but I haven't watched it in
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 9: a long time.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 6: But it's more in the lines of Seems Like Old Times,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 6: the Goldie Hawn comedies. I love that. Foul Play. I
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 6: love Foul Play. Foul Play's amazing. Oh, Heavenly Dog, even,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 6: which is... It's been a long time on that one, too.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 6: I had the book when I was a kid. I
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 6: used to get those. They make the shitty Bantam book
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 6: version of them. I would never buy regular books.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 9: I know nothing about literature, but I had every bad making,
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 9: like every.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 6: Back to the Future, the book, and Howard the Duck,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 6: the book. Yes, I had that. It's like every book. Hey,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 6: that movie was great just because Leah Thompson was in
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 6: her underwear.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 5: Ugh.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 6: We've had Leah Thompson on. I'm still, I'm still kind
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 6: of a little, yeah. I know Leah very well. I
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 6: consider her a dear friend and she's beautiful and wonderful.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 6: And I'm still shocked by the fact that I know her.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 9: And the nicest person in the world. Just sitting there
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 9: talking to her. I was like, I kind of can't,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 9: if the 12 year old version of me flashed here now,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 9: I would drop dead.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 6: Cause I still can't believe I sat there.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 6: She's amazing. Um, and we could go into a series
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 6: of like Leah Thompson related movies from red Dawn to, um,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 6: some kind of wonderful, um, where, where, uh, you know,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 6: Mary Stewart Masterson, is that her? Yeah. Who was arguably
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 6: just as beautiful.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 6: And she's the underground chick because she had short hair.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 6: She's the tomboy. So she can't be the cool. It's
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 6: back to 80s casting where even the pretty girl, the
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 6: ugly girl had to be pretty. Yeah. Which later became
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 6: a network called The CW. Where everyone is pretty.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 7: Exactly.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah. I just want to, I feel like everybody needs,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 6: I mean, from, you know, the classics, everybody's got stripes
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 6: and Caddyshack and The original Ghostbusters and even second Ghostbusters.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 6: Peter Nichols in Ghostbusters 2.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 9: He kind of like above and beyond the whole rest
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 9: of that movie.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 6: No pictures, please. Slides are available in the gift shop. Like, yeah,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 6: I always ask you to lunch. You always say, no,
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  Speaker 6: do I have a bad breath or something? Like, he's so,
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  Speaker 6: best line in the whole movie. Hey, Johnny, where are
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  Speaker 6: you from? Anyways, the upper vest side. Like, ah, so tough.
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  Speaker 6: I think you have to go. So tell people where
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  Speaker 6: to find you. At HalSparks on Twitter, the HalSparks Fang
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  Speaker 6: page on Facebook, F-A-N-G. And, of course, HalSparks.com. I've got
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  Speaker 6: all that shit. You can follow me on Instagram. I've
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  Speaker 6: got all that stuff flying. And my band, Zero One,
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  Speaker 6: we're on ReverbNation.com slash zero, the word zero, and the
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  Speaker 6: number one.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 6: Very good. Yeah, we're a metal band, if you like
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  Speaker 6: that kind of thing. Everybody go find you. Check out
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  Speaker 6: your stuff. Say hi. I insist. I'm going to go
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  Speaker 6: do a show. I feel like I've already done one,
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  Speaker 6: but this will be nice. I'm all warmed up now. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: we've got you ready to go. Love it. Thank you
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  Speaker 6: for coming here and sitting here with us. My pleasure.
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  Speaker 7: Very cool.
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  Speaker 6: Thanks for joining in.
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  Speaker 9: Alright, that about does it for this episode, but I
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  Speaker 9: will say I did stick around and watch Hal stand
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  Speaker 9: up back that night, and he was terrific. Hilarious and
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  Speaker 9: completely engaging. He is an amazing storyteller, and He knows
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  Speaker 9: how to find humor in any situation, so it would seem.
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  Speaker 9: So again, go to HowSparks.com and look for his upcoming
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  Speaker 9: live shows. All right, well, that about does it. Otherwise,
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  Speaker 9: we will return next week.
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  Speaker 6: Same geek time, same geek feed.
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  Speaker 7: Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 4: Simple places, children's faces, an ordinary day. I never knew
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  Speaker 4: that a sky so blue could take me so far away.
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  Speaker 8: But you were there without a care, my one and only.
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  Speaker 8: Summertime on the county line.
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  Speaker 4: The beginning of the end.
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  Speaker 8: When we lifted the photograph, there was nothing left to
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  Speaker 8: stand in the open.
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  Speaker 6: All angels get together.
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  Speaker 2: I can't take the pain but I cannot take it slow.
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  Speaker 4: I remember it was last night December.
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  Speaker 1: And the walls were closing in You were pretending that
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  Speaker 1: this life's never ending But the line was wearing thin
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  Speaker 1: Everyone was.
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  Speaker 8: Trying but I knew you were dying At the end
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  Speaker 8: of the day, I felt you slip away, but.
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  Speaker 9: I could not say goodbye.
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  Speaker 8: When we looked in the photograph, there was nothing left.
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  Speaker 2: To stare.
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  Speaker 8: And take the pain but I cannot take it slow.
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  Speaker 2: When we lived in the fold of ground There was
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  Speaker 2: nothing now I can't take the pain but I cannot.
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  Speaker 11: Clear out that weird buzz as soon as I got
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  Speaker 11: here oh yeah that's helpful we'll get a room tone
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  Speaker 11: at the end of it I thought it was a
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  Speaker 11: refrigerator it's behind that wall no it's just some sort
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  Speaker 11: of transformer yeah that I believe yeah that's pretty much
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  Speaker 11: they run the whole complex off some weird cancer causing
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  Speaker 11: Frankenstein machine 1946 it's alive.
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  Speaker 3: Talk hard!