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PAX Unplugged 2017 · Multiple Nerdgasm

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  thanks for joining us on this pxs unplugged episode of multiple nerdgasm I
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  am Jenna and I am joined by Matt and James hey guys hello hey how's it going
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  so let's talk about packs unplugged all right it was in Philadelphia this year
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  and this was this year this was the first packs unplugged the inaugural
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  event did you have a good time yes yeah it was it was freaking awesome wait am I
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  allowed to can I swear on the podcast is that cool you can say whatever you want
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  yeah it wasu say whatever the [ __ ] you want I can put an explicit tag on this I
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  was you know I I wasn't sure how like PC this [ __ ] was um yeah no so we've done
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  we've done paxis for well I've done paxis for longer than you guys have been
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  in America but Pax unplugged was so much better yeah in a tabletop sense but uh
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  there were no video games packs on plug yeah I know it was
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  awesome yeah it's very different tone to uh the normal packs like it just kind of
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  slowed down a bit more chilled did you find oh definitely so much more relaxed
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  um the you know talking with the designers the developers which we got to
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  talk to a lot of them they really wanted to engage you in conversation whereas at
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  PAX East they seem to just want to pump you into the booth play the game and
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  kick you out type of deal yeah totally well PAX East there isn't really much
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  opportunity I guess if you don't get there first uh to play any board games
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  because there are so many people there and the area it's huge but it's not big
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  enough for the demand yeah so we did find especially last year that we
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  weren't even able to find an empty seat or just to wait in line to uh rent a
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  board game because the line was so long yeah and at PAX East if you're looking
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  to try any of the video games you know you're standing in line for an hour and
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  a half two hours long for a 10-minute preview of something yeah um and that
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  just at PX unplug that wasn't the case uh quite a few of the booths were
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  actually running signups where you get to play with designers developers of the
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  game games uh which is amazing you know you got to sit down on a table with four
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  people and the person who created the game you're playing I believe they do
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  that at uh most of the paxes but um there are limited spots so when the
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  attendance is double what it was at packs unplugged odds are you're not
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  going to be one of the first five people to to make it there I didn't even think
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  of this but yeah like if I if this was PAX East and I was wanting to play you
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  know some new game I'd be waiting in line for you know could be hours whereas
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  at this we went oh that game looks interesting oh someone's playing it
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  we'll come back in 10 minutes and then we'd come back in 10 minutes and play it
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  right we never waited in line yeah so much so much more accessible yeah not
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  only did we not wait in line but there were times where we'd show up to play
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  one game and the D designer would be like hey let's play these two other
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  games while you're here and we just pump out a couple of games really quick yeah
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  that's right well we uh we did get the chance to speak to one of the founders
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  of Penny Arcade uh and I guess the original champion of this kind of
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  convention he wanted to make it board games only I think a while ago mhm uh
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  I'm talking about Jerry hulkin from penny arcade and I have a little
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  interview with him that I would like to play listeners do you want to hear
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  that yeah right there we go is that that was that yeah or
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  is no no no they I think they want to hear yeah so it's there
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  we we are here with Jerry Hawkins The Mastermind behind PX unplug this is kind
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  of your thing right welle now I can tell already you've kind of now that this
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  this uh podcast has begun you sort of turn up your Australian accent a little
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  bit you're putting shrimp on Barbies yeah we we got to play to the audience
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  so if I if my if I lose my accent I lose my audience yeah exactly exactly they're
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  synonymous but anyway I'm sorry you are asking me a question I was uh what is
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  what makes this packs unique compared to say the other packes or other
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  conventions well the main I I think that the main focus is more or less in the
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  name um there is some digital stuff here but it's it's pretty rare and it's
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  always in the service of tabletop games yeah I I was going to ask them to leave
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  as you don't belong here sir but no no exactly sir sir but there I mean for
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  example there's a very interesting uh there's a very interesting concept
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  called weave did you guys see weave I heard about weave yeah so weave is we is
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  an example of technology in the service of um in the service of traditional
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  narrative role playing gameplay you should definitely take a look at it I
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  mean but that's an example of the sort of stuff that's okay in my mind yeah Co
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  um you know I mean like they it should be video game or like like where
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  technology encroaches on this space right it should be a novelty we were
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  talking about to the to the siren skape guys uh have you seen that before no no
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  interactive music for like while you're playing oh no I there's a couple
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  different places that are endeavoring to explore that space yeah it's pretty cool
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  yeah yeah yeah um but no no the main thing is that is that you know we just
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  recognized from the other shows that we've done you know particularly East
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  have you guys been over for East yeah so that was what that's the last pack that
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  we went to this year perect we couldn't even get to the tabletop area because it
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  was so packed oh yeah exactly that I think is the fun of packs to see the
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  like looking for group and then just be able to jump in and meet people like we
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  wented to learn how to play secret Hitler cuz we we bought it and then
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  haven't had a large enough group no you need honestly so we learned last nightly
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  found a bunch of people playing it it's amazing no and see and that's one of the
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  new initiatives that we actually have at the show if you head out that main
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  Corridor yeah um out to sort of where that big sort of marble Cathedral thing
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  is out there um if you look on your left you'll see the learn and playroom where
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  basically all day you basically can get in you sign up and then so it's it's
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  it's limited necessarily because it's basically a class we teach you how to
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  play a couple games in the space of that panel Y and then now you know those
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  games you can grab a copy grab a copy from the library um and now that can be
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  something that you're experiencing or even teaching other people here I think
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  that's the main thing about this show the pace here is different too like at
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  at at like PA East I always feel like I got to I got to see all of this stuff
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  there's so much stuff and and and if I want to commit to like a two-hour role
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  playing game then it's like I don't know I do that where it's here well that's a
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  purpose right I mean functionally speaking what it grants is license to do
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  what it sounds like you want to do anyway but you get into that Pax
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  scenario it might be a little bit different this year because PAX East is 4 days yeah
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  right so but basically what it does it's like that's what this show is for it's
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  okay if I spend my time doing that here because that's what it's for yeah right
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  cool thanks for talking to us oh it's my pleasure yeah thanks for putting on such
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  a great show oh no no I'm glad you're enjoying yourselves all right awesome
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  thanks guys he's so well spoken our fans love it he knows so many
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  words well that's how he uh started writing I guess yeah he he used his
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  words Y no he was he was awesome um and getting to see him up on stage a couple
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  times talking about everything you could just tell the excitement that those guys
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  have about having a con that really is all about board games um yeah and I
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  think you know he said it in the interview right it's the goal isn't as
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  much to get out there and sell the games it's to to play with each other to teach
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  other people and just kind of share the the love of really a whole industry
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  that's burgeoning right now like this the board game industry is blowing up
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  right now and it's amazing to see their panel was actually great one of the
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  questions he got during the panel was our video games taking over for board
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  games um and his answer was was kind of Epic where you know in the past you know
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  going back only 10 years ago you were either a board game designer or you were
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  a video game designer and you chose one of those two routes and today you're
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  seeing that cross back and forth as people are moving back and forth not
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  only in designing but in the games themselves um so one of the games that I
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  just picked up at packs unplugged is this war of mine which is originally
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  video game I've now got the board game version which I've been slowly learning
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  so we're not going to talk about that cuz I don't know enough to talk about it
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  but it exists right XCOM board game XCOM is an amazing video game Fantasy Flight
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  had a full ad ex and so you're you're seeing this crossover that's never
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  existed before and that I think is part of what is drawing more people into that
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  boorn game realm as they realize the games that they play on their computer
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  they can now play at a table with friends and we're also getting games uh
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  crossover in the other way where there are establish board games that now have
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  a digital version so if you can't physically be with all your friends to
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  play it you can meet up with them online and play something like settlers of
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  Katan or Ticket to Ride yeah one of my favorite ways to learn a game is to get
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  the iPad version and just play it for a bit uh like that's how I learned to play
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  Ticket to Ride that's how I learned uh what's the uh the the the Elder Sign uh
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  some of those Fantasy Flight ones that are quite complicated get the iPad
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  version play it on there a couple times it it walks you through it and then you
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  know how to play it cuz the physical thing can be quite daunting sometimes
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  especially those you know those Epic Fantasy Flight games yeah even knowing
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  the rules those are tough every group needs one friend who just reads rules
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  and teaches you the game and that's why we have Jam need you James
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  yep that's yeah that's my job that was something that was nice about pxs
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  unplugged um Matt and I have owned the game secret Hitler for a while as we
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  just said in the um the interview there
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  yes and we have not read the rule book we're just we're just bad at that and
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  honestly the rules to that are fairly simple MH they're pretty I honestly I
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  have to play it to to learn I can't reading the rules just I don't know it
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  just goes right over my head and I'm like ah I didn't pause half that no I
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  feel the same way but it was very nice because at packs unplugged we were able
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  to find a group that had a looking for players sign up on their table when they
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  were playing secret Hitler so we just joined up with them and we learned the
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  rules and played a couple of rounds and now we've played it 20 times since
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  yeah we've taught a whole new group of people how to play did we forget to
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  learn their names uh we did we did we did I know one of them one of them was
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  Adolf Hitler yeah one of them was definitely Hitler um if you guys are
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  listening to this right now you were awesome um thank you for teaching Us
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  Secret Hitler I'm sorry I don't know your name let us know yeah podcast at
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  multiple nasm.com right in and say you
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  [ __ ] yeah well another another uh another product
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  product that sounds too uh too douchy yeah that was thing
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  we yeah another thing we talked about in the interview with Jerry uh that you
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  have also experienced thus far this episode listeners was siren scape that's
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  where James is getting those wonderful sounds that you're
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  hearing siren scape is a uh it's an interactive music and sound effects app
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  is that an accurate description yeah yeah I think that's perfect um I'm
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  playing with just like the super basic setup right now um and it is mad fun
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  it's got some really cool stuff that it's super simple to use really cool
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  things to add just that that little bit of extra to the game you're playing yeah
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  we got to speak with Steve from siren scape about the app and here's uh here's
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  what he had to say I'm here with Steve from siren scape and uh he's you guys a
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  rundown of uh how it all works and and what our listeners can can enjoy out of
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  it I so yes this is siren scape which is an app designed for bringing imersive C
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  Sound straight into your role playing games really easy to use and best of all
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  the app is free of charge so what you do is um on the the left hand side you have
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  a whole list of encounters or moods different type of creatures you'd hit
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  one button to activate one of those that then brings up a list of moods so you
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  can go on this one for inst a really quiet town we won't hear it here in the
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  convention hall but it's gone very quiet Birds troping kind of s to Market Haw cu
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  turn the volume up a little bit more I can confirm that is indeed happening at
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  the touch of one button you should hope to be able to now [Music]
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  hear now attacking the town
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  but it's not a loop or repeat every sound you can hear is actually a separately playing
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  element and you can control those elements so you can actually turn off
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  the music with a touch of one button MH you could increase the sound of the
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  people screaming by sliding up their individual element
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  you can even then go into other sounds and add in some rain so now your
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  dragon's attacking in the middle of a rainstorm but you don't want to have to
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  do that whil you're playing the game so you can save that as a preset so when
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  you then start playing actually gaming of your group you enter the town One
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  Touch of a button and it's now going to play all the sounds that you wanted
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  exactly as you wanted it set up as R how many sound packs are there available
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  we've got two players so on the fonty player we have about 190 sound sets on
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  the Sci-Fi player we're currently topping about 100 sound sets we've got
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  several licenses uh including like piso so we're doing the Pathfinder and
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  starfinder so obviously with the starfinder just being released the
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  Sci-Fi player is getting a lot of new content coming out at the moment but um
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  the Sci-Fi play also covers everything from Cowboys and Indians right up to
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  your high sci-fi and your fancy player does all of your high fantasy and just
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  you kind of even if you want to do historic games you've got Mass battles
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  and all those type of sounds in there and what platforms is the player
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  available on it works on pretty much everything so it's on iOS Android PC and
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  mac and even runs our Linux if you operating through on emulator all right
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  awesome thank you so much no problem at all thanks for your time obviously you
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  couldn't see what he was showing as at the time on the app but it's got sliders
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  for each element so you can turn up like as he said the sound of the villagers
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  screaming which I guess was kind of a hilarious uh thing that you might want
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  to do um uh or even just like you know there's background music or there's rain
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  or there's whatever there's a slider for it you can adjust it and it's all like
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  kind of it's a little bit random well random is not the right word like it's
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  it's not like as he said it's not a loop it's very ambient and uh and and it's
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  kind of just it just keeps going there in the background until you until you
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  change it it's very cool now you guys both DM various games for us is this
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  something that you think you would use this is something I will use I've
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  already we're about to start using this are you so okay here we go right every
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  time somebody crit fails mhm it doesn't get better than that and
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  you think it's something that you're not going to get caught up looking for
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  sounds that will interrupt the game the interface is pretty good from what I
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  from what I've seen of it I I obviously if if we're playing and we find that
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  that I am distracted by the uh by the pretty interface and I'm just playing
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  sounds and we're not getting anywhere feel free to tell me uh and then yeah
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  and then we'll write Steve an email and say thanks for ruining the game no I'm
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  I'm with Matt um the interface is so smooth that you know you can preset
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  something for a game so if you know where you're going to be you know you
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  can kind of have the atmospheric aspect set in you can have that core set of
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  what weapons your people are using if you want to use it for weapon noises
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  anything like that and then it's you know it's half a second just to hit the
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  right button and it plays and you're good to go go so I don't see it I don't
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  see it as a drawback from a DM it's not going to be another one other thing you
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  need to take care of um it's super easy to use you can preset
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  beforehand and then you're ready to roll so I just see it as adding that extra
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  little bit of ambiance to to what you're doing that's great I look forward to
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  playing games with that because I think it improves the like you said it
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  improves the Ambiance and we've been doing that sort of um when we play straw
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  you know we kind of dim the lights and light candles and um that sounds and put
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  the witches soundtrack on yeah sounds a lot sexier than the game actually is
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  yeah my wife loves coming home to us playing DND D in the basement with
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  candles lid and yeah I just she does not stop making fun of [Laughter]
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  me yeah she should us jealous yeah exactly what you want to talk about next
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  well let's just go straight down the list we got super Kitty bug slap oh yeah
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  that was fun I like it's kind of it's
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  snap yep but cute little cats and bugs
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  yeah like it's a cool cool game so you
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  get a uh a cat that is your cat like
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  it's a little picture of a cat and it'll either be orange or purple and it'll
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  have a bug either a or or green sorry uh it'll have a ladybug or a fly and it'll
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  be a particular shape like it's kind of a round or a square cat and then it's
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  basically snap like you uh one person acts as the the dealer and they reveal a
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  card and everyone has to try and grab it before the the rest of the plays do but
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  it's got to match one aspect of your cat now am I explaining that okay yeah feel
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  free to I think you're doing a decent job explaining it I think it's one of
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  those games that's so ridiculously simple that when you're explaining it
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  you get confused cuz you're like it it's easier than this but that's what it is I
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  think that makes sense very simple party game that could get a little aggressive
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  um yes but you will end up slapping each other and it's made by Steve Jackson
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  games uh famous for munchkin yeah it's just cute fun uh fun game I uh I really
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  enjoyed it it's like I said simple uh you could play with like kids could play
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  it uh I think well all ages I think uh another little fun quick game like that
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  that we played was billionaire banshe so we've got an interview actually from the
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  creator of the game raslo uh it's a cute little game a dating game where you get
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  a uh Cork and what's the other word a cork and a and a a benefit I guess like
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  a I'm actually we'll see what we'll see what w rlo uses I'm sure yeah I think
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  raso did the best job describing it they're both a little bit weird for
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  example the um when Matt and I played together he got two cards uh one said
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  that the person that he would potentially date um could get rid of any
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  headache by sticking a finger in his belly button the perk it was a cork in a
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  perk yep that sounds right I don't remember what that
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  was uh Licking armpits yeah yeah they oh that was a sexual fetish where every
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  time they were having sex with you they wanted to look your armpit and the
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  sweatier it was the better yes G so and we all had to vote on whether or not
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  Matt would date this person no no I
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  would not it's a quick quick little game with cute pixel art y so it's pretty
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  cool but we'll let raslo describe it because uh I'm sure there's some better
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  words that can be used for the game than what we're
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  doing I now give you raslo all right I'm speaking with raslo creator of
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  billionaire Banshee what can you tell us about the game yeah so Billy or bansi
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  has been out for a few years uh it started as just a thing that I did to
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  make people uncomfortable in car rides it didn't have cards at that point but
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  it was just like I wanted to keep asking progressively uh stranger questions like
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  would you date someone if they had X tray I kind of catalog it and then at
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  the end go wait a minute you're okay with this but not that and it would make
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  the car rides pass quickly but like a log of everything you know about your
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  friends exactly exactly and you always like find out more about people which I
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  really find a lot of fun sure uh but not everybody has as Twisted of an
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  imagination as I do in terms of uh coming up with traits that someone could
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  have sure and so I was like all right let me gamify this and see if people are
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  interested in it and we're about to do our fourth printing on it so that's good
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  so people have been interested in it and um I try to make all the games that I
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  designed something that you could explain and start playing in less than
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  30 seconds and this one's not different basically we were attend for the game
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  everyone single and looking for a life partner M and let's say that it's my
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  turn I grab there's two draw piles there's a perk pile and a quirk pile I
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  grab one of each this represents two new things I just found out about this
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  person that's ideal for me and they're going to sway me one way or the other
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  I'm going to say yes absolutely it's additive or I'm okay with it or I'm
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  going to say I that's beyond what I could possibly handle them out but I'm
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  going to do it secretly everyone has these voting cards that say date or deny
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  you put them face down and this prevents a situation from someone looking to see
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  what the girlfriend does before they vote or someone changing their answer
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  afterwards to try to match their partner because they're embarrassed that what
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  they really want you know Y and so we give you an example of some of the two
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  cards that I have out here the perk is uh you know your union was foretold in
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  fables all in the land know of Your Love bars sing stories about you to animals
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  in nature would even take notice and you'd live happily ever after so that's
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  the setup right um I personally like a very quirky person but everyone's
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  different and The Quirk with this is so picture is Snow White they want to lick
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  your armpit during sex uh they prefer if your armpits are sweaty they like both
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  shaved or unshaved they Li your armpits during most sessions and sometimes they
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  kiss you after that last line gets a lot of people but let's be honest that's a
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  reality of what would happen in that situation and so then I would secretly
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  put down my card to secretly vote everyone else and the great thing is
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  this facilitates two things that people love doing everyone wants to know what
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  other people think about them MH or what they would say behind their backs or
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  whatever and the game mechanics are now every time someone goes to flip their
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  card they have to explain why they think they don't just put it they have to
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  explain why you're definitely voting the way they chose justify that and so they
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  would yeah they'd be like they they watched a lot of Disney movies so I know
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  he's like really into like you know the fairy tale kind of stuff and you know I
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  think that what he's into is like way kinkier than that so it's not even an
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  issue you know and then you get to hear each person has to say about you before
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  they're either way off or or or right on you eventually reveal yes I would in
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  this case dat this person I am a romantic even if I'm not into that with
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  I'm not I'm going to use that as a bargaining chip to get what I want in
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  bed and so everyone that match me then gets a point if they didn't match me
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  they don't get a point and if we're playing the drinking version it's really
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  simple to remember how to play you just take a drink every time you're wrong
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  about someone in the group and so it's a game that forces people to to be social
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  which is nice and the other thing that people have used it for a lot I've seen
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  especially in these game groups is people will use it as a starting game
• 22:37
  like let's say you have a group of friends that's from work and you have a
• 22:39
  group of friends that's like your local Hangouts how do you get those two groups
• 22:43
  to start interacting without being awkward you always get like the initial
• 22:46
  questions of like oh so where do you work and then if it's like boring
• 22:49
  there's no followup questions would you would you date someone who wanted to
• 22:53
  lick your armpit right there's follow-up questions right so that's forcing the
• 22:57
  conversation and then you've had like 15 minutes 20 minutes of playing this
• 23:01
  you've talked about so much stuff that you're going to have a way easier time
• 23:04
  like conversing you become close friends right exactly that's awesome uh where
• 23:09
  can people find the game uh the game's available on Amazon it's available at
• 23:14
  almost every GameStop in the country um there's an exclusive version that just
• 23:18
  came out last week uh for Think Geek uh which is called Mega billionaire Banshee
• 23:23
  it has the main game the sexy pack uh and then 10 exclusive cards and then I
• 23:29
  mean there's tons of other probably your local game shop probably has it as well
• 23:32
  very cool all right thank you so much thanks guys nice talking to you all
• 23:35
  right so yeah that was a fun game and uh I I I can definitely see that break in the ice at
• 23:42
  parties yeah no that that's a perfect party game it's also like you know when
• 23:45
  you're in the middle of like a Katon tournament just break it up every once
• 23:48
  in a while have something fun and simple to do yeah yeah lick each other's on
• 23:52
  pits I like those party games we played another one too Death Wish oh yeah that
• 23:57
  was great aw I wish wish we had bought it yeah know you still can I know but we
• 24:03
  could have just bought it there they had the um M sayfe for work packs there as well the
• 24:08
  expansions and that was uh that was zafy games right that's right yeah that that
• 24:13
  was fantastic uh so the purpose of that game is to kill yourself
• 24:19
  um yeah that's I mean that's that's pretty much the goal of the game so
• 24:23
  really fun diseases yeah like small [ __ ] I think that's the only one I remember
• 24:29
  um so you get uh right so you get different cards uh their symptoms um
• 24:34
  diseases right yeah this I'm doing this right yeah trying to remember you want
• 24:41
  prevent from getting diseas yeah that's it symptoms and afflictions um yeah and
• 24:46
  so you're you're trying to give yourself all these afflictions all these
• 24:49
  different diseases each one has a different number of skulls on the bottom
• 24:53
  which indicates how horrible it is first person 10 skulls dies and you win the
• 24:58
  game by dying the humor in the game is great but that was the game where I was
• 25:02
  ready to win for like five rows in a round and the entire table just turned
• 25:05
  on me exactly that was horrible this is one of those really great companies too
• 25:10
  that offers the full game as a PDF printout for free oh cool so if you go
• 25:15
  to their website you can actually download the whole game print it and
• 25:17
  play it that's interesting I like when companies do that I do too but then I'm
• 25:21
  like hopefully they can survive doing that oh yeah but I think I mean I I did
• 25:27
  this at the beginning for Cards Against Humanity before I was able to buy it
• 25:30
  when it was all sold out and then eventually I did buy it you can actually
• 25:33
  do this for secret Hitler as well right okay yeah I think the reality is when
• 25:38
  you do a print and play you're not bringing it to like Staples and printing
• 25:42
  it out on super good card stock you're printing it out on paper in your house
• 25:46
  and if you like the game and you play it the one you printed and played is
• 25:49
  literally going to fall apart yeah so you're going to buy the real version
• 25:53
  yeah and I'm sure some people will just you know continue on with that version
• 25:57
  of the game but uh for me if I really like the game I'm
• 26:01
  going to buy it totally yeah I remember Playing Cards Against Humanity printed
• 26:04
  on Bits of Paper for for the first while because it wasn't available in Australia
• 26:08
  exactly time all right so we talked about some of the the quick short games
• 26:12
  let's talk about one of the longer games um uhuh this game had I know where
• 26:16
  you're going with this oh you know exactly where I'm going this this game
• 26:18
  had an interesting history for us at Pax un plugs uh the first time we sat down
• 26:22
  and played it super excited um love the theme it's this like Supernatural theme
• 26:28
  you're you're exploring it's a deck exploration game um you're playing these
• 26:32
  characters who who can like see things that the rest of the world can't the
• 26:35
  vampires the we Bears um it a really
• 26:38
  really cool game right uh we sat down um
• 26:43
  we we tried to play for like 20 minutes we could barely figure out how to play
• 26:48
  uh someone came over and tried to help us but but not really but they tried
• 26:52
  which was really nice uh and we walked away we're like this this game is [ __ ]
• 26:57
  right um that was my my we actually really disappointed about it too because
• 27:01
  we were like we really wanted to play this it's just too much effort right so
• 27:05
  disappointed and we were exhausted at this point that is true this was uh what
• 27:10
  this was day two at like 5:00 um so you know so you understand you know we if
• 27:16
  for us to get the packs unplugged with like a six-hour drive and we started
• 27:19
  that Thursday night finished it Friday morning uh Friday we were at at the
• 27:23
  event from 10:00 in the morning till about midnight um and then back there
• 27:27
  9:30 the next morning uh and this was like in the evening I don't even think
• 27:32
  we had food yet before we played this no that's right yeah we we didn't even eat
• 27:36
  all day so we played this like this a terrible game really disappointed so
• 27:41
  Sunday morning we go back and we're like the first thing we're going to do we're
• 27:43
  going to play this game for real this time yeah we had actually discussed back
• 27:45
  at the hotel like we're going to give this game another chance CU we we really
• 27:49
  feel like we would like it yeah I'm pretty sure this actually a good game
• 27:52
  and we suck yeah that's I think that was pretty yeah that was the essence right
• 27:57
  um yeah so we we go to the booth we sit down to Play It Again guy comes over
• 28:00
  he's like oh you guys were here yesterday what' you think and you know
• 28:03
  me being me was like oh we thought it was sh we just we were tired um so we're
• 28:09
  trying again they told us that you could sit down with a designer um and actually
• 28:12
  play with a designer so we we did you know ran over signed up got in um and
• 28:17
  the game is is [ __ ] awesome um we actually know how to play now which I
• 28:22
  get makes a difference in games um especially ones like this so the game is
• 28:26
  called apocrypha and not only do we know how to play but James now owns a copy
• 28:31
  yeah I did that um it was that good um I actually so like Sunday I thought about
• 28:37
  buying it on the con but I I didn't spend any money so I was really happy
• 28:41
  and I left and then Sunday night I got home and bought it I'm not sure that
• 28:44
  that counts I'm not sure you can say I didn't spend any money at packs when you
• 28:48
  just bought everything when you got home well yeah but I bought it at home I
• 28:51
  didn't buy it at packs so that totally counts it's true um it's true yeah so
• 28:57
  the the game is Apocrypha it's an adventure card game if you've ever
• 29:00
  played the Pathfinder Adventure card game this is put out by that same crew
• 29:05
  right so the guys who developed the Pathfinder Adventure card game this is
• 29:08
  kind of the the Next Generation there's a little bit more going on with it it's
• 29:11
  a little bit more intense um it's a little more Cooperative actually there's
• 29:15
  more aspects to help each other but helping each other isn't always a good
• 29:20
  thing um overall the game is it's really cool um so it's lone shark games and the
• 29:26
  game is Apocrypha and it's kind of that that crazy I don't know what Buffy is
• 29:32
  type of world would you say sure yeah yeah yeah like a Gothic kind of horror
• 29:38
  um yeah it's Gothic horror basically and a b bit steampunky Gothic horror kind of
• 29:44
  I guess I would describe it yep and I I really liked that this could be played
• 29:48
  as both a card game or an RPG yes oh yeah that part so yeah when we sat down
• 29:54
  with the designer instead of running us through kind of the one of the campaign
• 29:58
  modes levels chapters um she actually ran us through basically an RPG where we
• 30:03
  used the the mechanics of the game to tell a story and it worked so well it
• 30:09
  was really clean it was really simple um if you're if you're burgeoning DM you
• 30:14
  know if you're just getting into it what's great is that you can use the
• 30:17
  cards to kind of pre-plan a story so you don't have to create something brand new
• 30:22
  it's all in the cards you just kind of put it together the way you want it to
• 30:25
  run and it's it's super clean I like the way she framed it as imagine
• 30:30
  this is the pilot episode of a television show and so we we kind of
• 30:35
  played the whole thing out and describe the camera movements and stuff I thought
• 30:37
  that was really that was a really cool uh angle on on on playing like a game
• 30:44
  like a role playing game like that like it was really fun yeah and uh it kind of
• 30:50
  I it was a good way to uh it was a good in in point as well like if you weren't
• 30:54
  if you sometimes role playing itself is is a little hard for people like acting
• 30:58
  like another person but it was a really cool way like you could just describe oh
• 31:01
  the camera moves over and shows this and does that and and I don't know I I feel
• 31:05
  like it was a good way of getting people on board um versus you are now this
• 31:10
  character behave you know talk to me like you are that character some people
• 31:14
  don't like doing that that's right and we played with another guy who uh we did
• 31:18
  not get his name either so hey guy if you're listening thanks for playing with
• 31:22
  us we really we really do suck at that yeah yeah hey look we know Liz's name
• 31:27
  that's right we should probably tell people um Liz Spain that was uh she's
• 31:31
  one of the designers of the game and that's who we played with um and she was
• 31:34
  fantastic it was really cool yeah thank you we really appreciate you taking the
• 31:38
  time to do that and your dog is adorable yeah he is the dude the dude we played
• 31:42
  with I should know his name though it's cuz he has my problem um in his group of
• 31:46
  friends his job is to learn the game and teach it to everybody sorry did you say
• 31:50
  problem no no I meant uh he has that same joyous role that I have yeah right
• 31:55
  he has that secret his super is knowing how to well learning how to play board
• 32:00
  games no I thought James just knew I don't think he puts any work into
• 32:05
  it yeah he just intrinsically knows how to he looks at a game and he's like I I
• 32:09
  know how to do this you know that that happened last night so Thanksgiving
• 32:12
  every year uh we're recording this on Black Friday so yesterday was
• 32:15
  Thanksgiving um in America you all probably don't do that [ __ ] in Australia
• 32:19
  um nope yeah no it's not like a real thing it's cool so um soing is not a
• 32:25
  real thing well I mean look if if you look at the history I think it started
• 32:29
  after the war of 1812 celebrating the War of 1812 and then at some point
• 32:33
  they're like no let's make it about pilgrims they we're like okay cool we'll
• 32:35
  make it about pilgrims um but pilgrims Jenna told me it was about Cowboys and
• 32:39
  Indians it it yeah it is we're celebrating the Cowboys and Indians yep
• 32:44
  that's what yeah that's what we give thanks for all the spaghetti
• 32:49
  West that's what I that's what I was told yeah but we were playing um
• 32:53
  betrayal at house on the hill um and they had the expansion right so we sat
• 32:56
  down we're setting it up I I read the rules for the expansion as we're setting
• 33:00
  it up and then we start playing and they're like oh what does this do and I
• 33:02
  tell them they're like wait how do you know like I read the rules they're like
• 33:05
  we didn't see you read the rules apparently I do [ __ ] very sneakily at
• 33:10
  board games you do you do we'll be playing a game and then I'll be like oh
• 33:14
  now we have to you know Advance this this token to the next step and I'm like
• 33:18
  what the hell it's already moved and it's cuz you did it at some
• 33:22
  point yeah there's also been games like Cooperative games where I've just
• 33:26
  straight up cheated um for the entire group and nobody nobody knows what
• 33:31
  happened like everything's in the center of the G table it's all right there and
• 33:35
  I'm not I do this slowly so I don't understand how people don't see this but
• 33:39
  I'll like flip cards over and then just tuck them away somewhere else and the
• 33:43
  group like yeah no we're doing great I'm like yeah no we died like 10 turns ago
• 33:47
  guys but it's cool I'm pretty sure that happened the other day when we were
• 33:49
  playing at game night yep yep pandemic we lost pandemic no no no it happen
• 33:55
  again Marvel legendary oh oh it did yeah oh it happened twice then it happens
• 34:01
  more than you might think no we're really good at games yeah they're really good at
• 34:08
  games so good well speaking of role playing games uh we were very keen to
• 34:14
  check out the uh Sentinels of the Multiverse role playing game okay that
• 34:20
  was needed I've been waiting for this game forever um if you haven't played
• 34:23
  senos of Multiverse the card game it is hands down my favorite card game out
• 34:28
  there so much fun um the role playing game they announced a few years ago they
• 34:33
  were working on this uh PX unplugged was the very first time anybody got their
• 34:37
  hands on it uh which was really neat um we got to to talk with one of the
• 34:42
  designers Dave um and you'll get to hear an interview with him in a moment um but
• 34:46
  this was his first time getting his hands on paper copies of it as well up
• 34:50
  until I think the day before he had only been looking at PDF versions so it's
• 34:55
  really neat um I'll try to give you like a super quick rundown of Sentinels if
• 35:00
  you're not familiar with the world the designers are a little bit I I would say
• 35:06
  crazy I guess um and here's the reason why right so they created this card game
• 35:11
  where you're playing as superheroes and you're fighting against super villain so
• 35:14
  they have this whole world of superheroes and you're like that's
• 35:16
  awesome they created their own world of superheroes yeah but they went one step
• 35:19
  further they didn't just create the superheroes they created the world in
• 35:23
  which the comic book ran that created the superheroes so think about that for
• 35:28
  a second right it's not just one level it's it's multiple levels of creation
• 35:32
  here so they created a world where a comic book company called Sentinel
• 35:35
  Comics exists and then in that world of Sentinel Comics that's where they
• 35:39
  created the superheroes so when they tell you the stories about their
• 35:43
  superheroes um they don't just tell you the story of how that Superhero
• 35:47
  progressed but they tell you the story of what the writers and the authors were
• 35:50
  doing with that Superhero say in the 1940s in the 1970s 60s 80s and how that
• 35:56
  story changed um one of my favorites is a character
• 36:00
  named Unity who did not get her start in the comics but actually got her start in
• 36:04
  a 1990s cartoon show for kids um and her name was Debbie and everybody hated her
• 36:11
  and then in the 2000s they the writers brought her into the comic world as
• 36:15
  unity and now everybody loved her and it was like it's really cool that they put
• 36:20
  way too much thought into this game like way too much a lot of effort in story
• 36:24
  building right it's like a stupid amount you don't need it
• 36:28
  but they must have a huge marker board at home to connect all the dots to these
• 36:31
  people they do um so they've got a p podcast called the letters page um and
• 36:36
  if you listen to it they like legitimately will spend entire day
• 36:40
  beforehand with a giant whiteboard writing out the story of one of their
• 36:43
  characters so they can tell it CU they have to um amazing but they brought that
• 36:48
  element into the RPG and it's really cool cuz you're not just playing a
• 36:54
  superhero in their RPG you're playing a superhero that is in a Comon book and
• 36:58
  that comic book has an impact on how the game gets played um I think Dave did a
• 37:04
  pretty good job of explaining it so I don't know if you want to toss that up
• 37:07
  and we'll see if he he can get the right words out that I can't get out hey guys
• 37:12
  this is James from multiple nerdgasm I am here with Dave from greater than
• 37:15
  games we're looking at the new Sentinels of the Multiverse RPG Dave you're one of
• 37:19
  the designers on this how long has this project been in the works oh it's been
• 37:23
  years and years now I mean we reached out um you know I have my own kind of
• 37:27
  game Studio where we reached out to the greater than game guys at Gen Con like
• 37:32
  four years or so ago now maybe even more and said we'd really love to do an RPG
• 37:36
  and they said we would love to have an RPG but then these thingss take time to
• 37:40
  both come to like oh you have a hole in your schedule and then actually like
• 37:44
  making the d game and then making it good because it definitely didn't start
• 37:48
  good you know and So eventually we got there and um the starter kit here is
• 37:53
  kind of the first real release of the game uh in it's playable form yeah so
• 37:59
  I've been following you guys for a long time this is the first time i' ever even
• 38:02
  heard of the starter CIT did you was there a pre-release announcement that I
• 38:06
  missed or is this kind of a surprise here we uh have done some amount of
• 38:10
  announcements like on the website and we have we've been doing demos at Gen Con
• 38:15
  we were doing pre-orders at Gen Con because we had the like very first
• 38:18
  sample prints of it that we were running there but this is the first time
• 38:22
  anyone's actually been able to get their hands on it including myself actually
• 38:25
  I've just had the files up until yesterday afternoon but actually holding
• 38:29
  in my hands Prett exciting yeah um can you give is a quick rundown of what is
• 38:34
  in the starter kit what do you get absolutely so the starter kit is
• 38:37
  designed to teach players and GMS how to play the game and also give them a
• 38:42
  complete kind of mini campaign experience so what it comes with is the
• 38:45
  gameplay guide which teaches the rules of the game and also how to GM the game
• 38:51
  and then it comes with six character booklets that are some Sentinels
• 38:55
  characters that you're probably familiar with uh it's the freedom five plus their now
• 38:59
  former intern Unity who are coming together to stop a new threat and the
• 39:04
  story is picking up kind of right after the big Oblivion event happens where a
• 39:08
  bunch of the world was destroyed and the Multiverse collapse and nothing will
• 39:12
  ever be the same and that kind of thing and so it kind of picks up there both as
• 39:17
  an introductory to the game and uh kind of an explanation of where the story is
• 39:21
  at now and where the the RPG is going to start so you get the gameplay guide
• 39:26
  those six character booklets and then there are six complete issues as we call
• 39:29
  them because it's a comic book RPG and not just like a superhero campaign RPG
• 39:36
  and each issue is about 2 hours or so of gameplay you know plus or minus and they
• 39:41
  all are interconnected together including a chunk that you players can
• 39:44
  play in any order that they want so they'll actually experience kind of a
• 39:47
  different series of events depending on what choices that they make wrapping up
• 39:51
  with issue six and then youve played a full what we call trade paperback as you
• 39:56
  collect all of those issues into kind of one complete thing and that
• 40:00
  can be a springboard for your own sendal campaign later or if you want to um put
• 40:04
  it aside until the core book comes out and then make your own heroes from there
• 40:08
  but it'll give you you know like 12 hours of uh gameplay that teaches you
• 40:13
  the system and how to run it at the same time that's fantastic so if you're a f
• 40:18
  like me at the letters page and everything that censos offers you guys
• 40:21
  know that they not only run a whole new universe of Heroes but they run a whole
• 40:25
  new universe of comic books and
• 41:09
  [Music]
• 41:27
  gaps as well and then we get to make up new stuff so that's cool that's awesome
• 41:32
  man um so we got the the starter kit out now and then the core rule book when are
• 41:35
  we expected to see that so we are working on the corebook frantically
• 41:39
  right now and we are shooting for next year um there will definitely be a
• 41:44
  Kickstarter uh probably like early to mid next year to uh fund the core book
• 41:50
  and if it does well enough try fun supplements and some other cool stuff
• 41:53
  with it you know make the book better that kind of thing uh and you know
• 41:57
  sometime next year is when we're shooting for but I can't make any
• 42:00
  promises till the thing's out of my hands basically all right and the price
• 42:04
  of the starter kit I believe it's $20 $20 y do we have a concept of where that
• 42:09
  core rule book is going to be coming in yet no clue and a lot of that's like
• 42:12
  Kickstarter math that fortunately is not my area to figure out I just have to you
• 42:16
  know make the game and write the game and they'll figure out how much to sell
• 42:19
  it for and you know if it if there's a lot of interest it might be a slightly
• 42:24
  larger book that we able to afford for the same price it's not going to be like
• 42:27
  uh Pathfinder size to no matter what you know it's going to be more spread out
• 42:31
  across multiple books but the core r book is still going to give you uh you
• 42:35
  know all these rules that you'll get in the starter kit but expanded you know to
• 42:39
  uh offer more advice and also options that kind of thing you know the rules
• 42:43
  are are identical to what's in the starter kit but there'll be more you can
• 42:47
  do with them or you know more situations that come up it'll cover that and then
• 42:52
  there'll be more for game Masters to cover and there'll also be tons of rules
• 42:56
  for creating your own Heroes uh changing Heroes as they go through different
• 43:01
  events and storylines saying like now I have ice poers and set of firep powers
• 43:06
  and like it'll represent all that kind of stuff uh for GMS they'll be able to
• 43:09
  create their own villains or modify villains that are already you know in
• 43:13
  the SEL Universe uh they'll be able to create their own environments which
• 43:17
  environments are actually a piece of the RPG as well as you know how the car game
• 43:22
  works uh and just all kinds of advice you know toolbox things uh sample issues
• 43:28
  to play through if uh youting it through the starter kit or if you want kind of
• 43:32
  smaller stuff to explore and uh yeah so all that stuff will be in there awesome
• 43:37
  and that sounds amazing we're looking forward to it and we're hopefully going
• 43:40
  to be doing a full playthrough of this on a podcast coming up soon y so stay
• 43:43
  tuned guys so I I heard you dropped a little spoiler in there yeah he dropped
• 43:47
  a spoiler at the end that's a little bit I dropped a little bit of a a a
• 43:52
  foreshadow what oh yeah oh are you talking about uh the play
• 43:58
  through yeah um so uh I I might have
• 44:03
  like lost my geek mind um but we are going to be working with greater than
• 44:07
  games uh talking with Dave the designer
• 44:10
  of the RPG um and we're if schedules
• 44:15
  work out we are going to be doing a playthrough of the Sentinels of the
• 44:19
  Multiverse RPG with the gentleman who designed it uh Dave Chalker uh for you
• 44:23
  guys so it'll be if we're able to so yeah we'll let you know what's going
• 44:29
  on with that and and when when we can coordinate it all so speaking of RPGs
• 44:35
  James do you want to run us through 10 candles yes um because this is a game
• 44:39
  that I'm not very familiar with but I know you have brought it up to us before
• 44:42
  as something you wanted to play um and we actually met with an interview the
• 44:45
  developer Steve yeah so um 10 candles is a game that I've wanted for a very long
• 44:50
  time which cost so much money um I think it's $10 I don't know why I don't have it
• 44:57
  like it's one of those like I just I think I don't have it because I have so
• 45:02
  many games and my wife kill me I think you can actually download it from the
• 45:06
  website for free I think I'm fairly certain he told us that it's available
• 45:11
  on the website no I think so the I think the PDF is
• 45:14
  $10 oh I see right so the PDF is $10 the book is $30 um but you don't care about
• 45:20
  that right you want to know about the game okay sorry so the game um the game
• 45:25
  is a it's a one night RPG um it's a it's a tpk game total party kill game right
• 45:31
  so the whole concept is that you are telling the story of the end of the
• 45:35
  world um you start the game with 10 tea candles lit on the table this is not
• 45:40
  just like oh it should be you know some nice avian uh like how we play our
• 45:44
  Dungeons and Dragons with candles um that's that really does sound so
• 45:48
  horrible like we're super geeky um okay so this game needs it's awesome what are
• 45:53
  you talking about you guys are crazy and in this one the candles are part of the
• 45:58
  game as the game progresses you slowly blow out the candles and when the last
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  candle goes out the game ends period that's it it's done it's over
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  everybody's dead um but what you're discovering is how did you die what
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  happened um and one of the cool Parts is that if a candle accidentally goes out
• 46:15
  if somebody opens the wrong door and a breeze comes through that's cool that's
• 46:19
  the game you know it's going to end that much sooner um but I think I think Steve
• 46:25
  did a really good job of explaining it um I honestly I didn't even know he was
• 46:30
  a designer I walked in I was like oh my God I love this game I want this game
• 46:32
  who are you he's like I'm the guy who wrote it I was like oh [ __ ] awesome
• 46:36
  um yeah so we got to talk to him and let's hear what he has to say all right
• 46:40
  all right guys I'm here with Stephen he is the creator of 10 candles which is an
• 46:44
  RPG you should have heard of if you haven't yet but just in case Stephen can
• 46:48
  you give us kind of like a quick 30 second synopsis what is this about sure
• 46:52
  so 10 candles is a tragic horror storytelling game played by the light of 10 T light cand
• 46:57
  um players are survivors in the middle of some horror movie scenario and at the
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  end of the game when the last kendle goes out all of the characters die so
• 47:05
  when you say all the characters die you mean everyone dies everyone dies at the
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  end yeah it is not a survival horror game there's no survivors making it out
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  at the end everyone knows going in this is a game where no one survives it we
• 47:15
  will all die and we'll all die at the end of the game now there's a couple key
• 47:18
  aspects to your game that I haven't seen any others uh which is meaning that
• 47:22
  you're giving other people Secrets is that kind of the the right way to phas
• 47:27
  it yeah so everyone has some hidden knowledge uh they have a secret that is
• 47:31
  what they're basically capable of when pushed to the absolute brink of Madness
• 47:34
  and despair and that's something that they know and maybe another character
• 47:37
  knows too um but that is kept secret until everything else in the game has
• 47:41
  literally burned away and that's all they have left if they want to embrace
• 47:45
  that secret they can choose to or they can try to resist it now game play time
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  wise how long does it take to play at the absolute most uh you really can't
• 47:54
  play past the light of a tealight candle so depending on where you actually get
• 47:57
  your candles that varies between 3 to 4 hours cuz if those candles go out on
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  their own they're out uh usually sometimes you since you're going to be
• 48:04
  darking candles as you play you usually land somewhere in the 2 to three hour
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  range but it could go as much as four from a complication perspective people
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  who haven't played a lot of RPGs from what I've heard this is a relatively
• 48:15
  easy one to get in and flow with but what's your take on that yeah this is a
• 48:19
  great game for people who have played for a while or people that are brand new
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  to role playing games I I've heard a lot of people say this was the first game
• 48:26
  they actually ran for their friends who haven't run games before it's very rules
• 48:30
  light it's a lot of focus on the narration but the rules do just enough
• 48:34
  to give you a strong support to the story they get in do what they need to
• 48:37
  do and get out of your way that's fantastic and then the cost of the book
• 48:40
  how much is the core rule book core rule book's $28 um you can also buy a PDF of
• 48:45
  it online on Cavalry games.com for $10 uh but 28 for the actual soft cover Rob
• 48:50
  book that's fantastic man um is there any other cool little things you'd like
• 48:53
  us to know about this um we do we did did also just recently release a
• 48:58
  supplementary volume called and we are alive uh which is actually a book of 10
• 49:02
  short stories a book of fiction inspired by the world of 10 candles uh so if you
• 49:06
  like 10 candles or are looking for some creative inspiration for it you can
• 49:10
  check that out as well on Cavalry games.com all right awesome Stephen
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  thank you so much for your time today thank you for having me awesome that
• 49:16
  sounds like something that could also be very fun to do a podcast with I was
• 49:19
  about to say I I might want to propose that we do that at some point uh I would
• 49:23
  I would definitely do that if you guys buy it all right let me get my uh let me get
• 49:29
  my credit card out yeah you got you got that house money saved up you're
• 49:34
  good I'm tell them we don't want the house we want to play 10 candles 10
• 49:38
  candles sorry guys I can't afford the down payment on the house I'm buying
• 49:42
  that $10 PDF I was I was I in my mind I was like 10 candles or 16 Candles no 16
• 49:47
  Candles is something very different could we play that RPG too yes that's
• 49:52
  the that's the one where we each role play somebody going to a dance Everybody Plays
• 49:58
  yeah no no I want to play the I want to play the kid who gets the underwear
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  Anthony Michael Hall yeah that's him y so um while I was off doing my own
• 50:07
  thing uh you guys went out and you you played Cutthroat caverns and you
• 50:11
  actually picked this game up too right this was smirk and Dagger yes we were uh
• 50:16
  we were run through the game by Drew from smirk and dagger games thanks Drew
• 50:19
  he ran us through kind of a a preset
• 50:22
  demo Cavern uh of the game this is a a
• 50:28
  Cooperative backstabby kind of uh semi Cooperative yeah like you got to help
• 50:34
  each other but also you want to win so uh it's a little little you get into
• 50:38
  some backstabby kind of cool um
• 50:42
  PVP stuff as the game progresses uh it's it's quite simple actually it's very
• 50:48
  simple once you once you get the swing of it um you uh you have a dungeon which
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  is a stack of cards uh you flip one over to reveal what you're going to be
• 50:58
  fighting and then everybody uh plays
• 51:02
  cards to to either attack the monster or to [ __ ] with other players or to heal or
• 51:09
  to boost other attacks there's very diff various different things you can you can
• 51:14
  play uh and then whoever deals the killing blow to the creature receives
• 51:21
  Prestige points for the uh for the kill
• 51:24
  and basically if you survive then the play with the most prestige points
• 51:31
  wins and that's the gist of it really yeah uh and we did get to interview Kurt
• 51:36
  from smirk and dagger games to tell us a little bit about that game and about the
• 51:41
  concept of their kind of backstabbing games in general I'm with Kur from smoke
• 51:44
  and dagger games we had the pleasure of playing Cutthroat Cavin yesterday uh
• 51:48
  could you tell us a little bit about the game or any other the games that you
• 51:50
  have here at the show you like to our listeners to check out sure uh yeah
• 51:54
  Cutthroat Caverns is one of our perennial favorite games um it is now in
• 52:00
  its almost 10th year and it is a an amazing Cooperative backstabbing game
• 52:07
  that takes place in a dungeon um the nice feature about the game is that you
• 52:12
  have to work together just to survive right but it's a game about kill
• 52:16
  stealing So eventually if you don't trip someone or Edge them out way to get your
• 52:20
  blow in and not theirs yes you're never going to win either yeah you want to
• 52:23
  help each other but not too much right and quite honestly the more you mess
• 52:28
  with each other the creatures stay alive they do more damage and you all get
• 52:32
  closer to death yeah but it doesn't stop you from acting in Your Own Worst
• 52:36
  interest just to get the win yeah and so it's got a great Dynamic tension um and
• 52:41
  the game now like I said it's it's it's been uh in print now for 10 years it's
• 52:46
  expanded five times including uh our fifth expansion which just launched at
• 52:51
  uh in August very cool and um the creatures are what really make the game
• 52:57
  interesting every single one and there's now over like 120 creatures in the game
• 53:02
  wow okay um not one of them plays the same so it's like playing 120 mini games
• 53:07
  in that Universe yeah yeah um the game itself is kind of funny I the it was
• 53:13
  inspired by um the dichotomy between my two role playing groups right so when I
• 53:19
  was in high school I had a very unusual DND D group it was me and six women
• 53:24
  right oh wow okay that's unusual would have been and this is back in the 80s
• 53:28
  totally um so in any case um it was very token very lawful good man if you found
• 53:34
  a magic weapon it went to the person who could wield it best right right I went
• 53:38
  to college and I had a whole new play group all these dudes like and I was
• 53:45
  shocked and horrified sitting and playing with them the DM was never going
• 53:49
  to dish out anything as horrible as the people sitting right next to me right
• 53:54
  and I was like oh my God what what is this people of jerks yeah
• 53:59
  so that moment that I experienced I wanted to to capture and hold throughout
• 54:05
  the entire game and that's really what the game is all about yeah excellent um
• 54:10
  where can our listeners check out the game and and anything else that you guys
• 54:12
  have oh sure well um you can come to smirk and dagger. comom um we've got all
• 54:17
  our games there uh both for sale and just to kind of peruse and take a look
• 54:21
  um they can read about you know all the different reviews and things uh plus um
• 54:26
  you know it's for sale at all the local game stores um if you can't find it
• 54:30
  there you can ask for it at the counter cool or you can come to our website it's
• 54:34
  on Amazon it's all over the place excellent um but um yeah it's if if you
• 54:40
  like um kind of a a mean-spirited twist to a game where you're lining up your
• 54:46
  friends and just enjoying sinking a dagger in their back man this is the
• 54:50
  game for you excellent all right awesome thank you so much for the time you bet
• 54:53
  thank you yeah so he he mentioned it briefly but yeah the way you have to
• 54:56
  kill each monster is completely different based on the card so uh every
• 55:00
  encounter is is different like for example there was one we played it the
• 55:03
  other day and we had to uh if you don't
• 55:07
  kill the monster in one round then you have to kind of it's Health goes back up
• 55:14
  uh and your attacks stay but their power is reduced so the next round you'll do a
• 55:18
  little bit more damage the next round after that you'll do a little more
• 55:21
  damage and eventually you you'll kill the monster but uh all of the encounters
• 55:26
  are complete different it's it's a fun game I I yeah no um so we played that
• 55:30
  together um you know my my take on the game I think it took maybe 45 seconds to
• 55:35
  learn how to play yeah simp super simple it it starts off a little slow um the
• 55:41
  first couple of rounds I'm thinking like all right this game is okay it's kind of
• 55:44
  lame um and then suddenly you started backstabbing each other yeah and that's
• 55:51
  that's really the essence of the game right like that's where I had the fun um
• 55:55
  was trying to do the best you can while still [ __ ] over everybody else at the
• 55:59
  table mhm and we had that fun monster that you had to fight in ascending order
• 56:04
  of damage points right that was cool yeah that one was cool to um we actually
• 56:07
  got the expansion pack from them as well the fifth edition or fifth expansion
• 56:12
  which introduces some other Concepts to it yeah the fifth expansion is called
• 56:16
  death incarnate it's got some really uh awesome art uh for the for the creatures
• 56:22
  the creatures are kind of based on uh there's there's the 7even deadly sins in
• 56:27
  there it's all very very uh dark and death themed yeah most of the artists uh
• 56:32
  are listed in the instruction book actually and they were all uh deviant
• 56:35
  artists some of these are like amazing it's got It's got a bunch of new events
• 56:39
  uh and new relics all themed around the kind of the death and despair uh angle I
• 56:43
  guess it puts like a dark Twist on on the whole thing it's a little
• 56:46
  light-hearted I guess in the core pack and this takes it to a nice dark place
• 56:51
  so uh I need to just spit in about siren Escape real quick mhm yeah so I've been
• 56:55
  playing with this um their sounds are mapped to the keyboard as well oh so
• 57:01
  when you pull up a soundboard um the the new board that you mapped is mapped to
• 57:07
  the numbers so you can just hit like one two three and pull up different sounds
• 57:11
  and then your core set of sounds is mapped to your uh your letters keyboards
• 57:16
  the [ __ ] that's horrible sounding um but you know like you hit like ABC and
• 57:20
  you're going to pull up those things for ABC so if you have it mapped out
• 57:24
  appropriately for what you want to do you don't even need to look at it you
• 57:28
  can literally just be looking at your group type in what you need to type in
• 57:31
  and suddenly have a myriad collection of sounds come up that explain what's
• 57:36
  happening that's awesome it's [ __ ]
• 57:40
  sweet we'll be using that in future on on our live stream role playing games
• 57:46
  and and also just privately when we play so and also just around the house I'm
• 57:51
  going to be using it oh without a doubt anytime Sarah asks
• 57:56
  you to clean something
• 58:03
  James she'll love that she will she will and then when she actually cleans
• 58:12
  something so we got to play a bunch of games at the atlas Booth yes I love this
• 58:18
  company because Gloom is one of my favorite games if you haven't played
• 58:21
  Gloom it is a wonderful storytelling game with beautiful cards uh they're all
• 58:27
  see-through so they stack and you can see everything that's underneath them um
• 58:31
  where you try to uh kill off your family members at their most miserable moment
• 58:37
  while trying to kill off your opponent's
• 58:41
  uh family when they are most happy mhm it's a great game yeah super fun we got
• 58:47
  to play Murder of Crows the style of the cards were in a Tarot form where you
• 58:52
  spell out murder when you play a card it has a letter on it and it also has a
• 58:56
  uh an action associated with it so it's like you can play an M but when you play
• 59:01
  an M what does m stand for so the m stands for misplaced so anytime you play
• 59:05
  an M you can take uh one card of your choice from another player's uh already
• 59:09
  spelled out murder um and put it into your hand um there are things like
• 59:15
  uncover when everyone else has to reveal their hands to
• 59:18
  everyone um expel when everyone discards their entire hand um things like that so
• 59:25
  anytime you play a letter uh it has an action associated with it
• 59:28
  yeah I I actually found this quite difficult to follow until we started
• 59:31
  playing and then and then and then it came very quickly it's actually it is a
• 59:34
  very simple game yes it's very fun and he also he mentioned that the the tarot
• 59:38
  card layout is the is the new edition is that right that's right originally it
• 59:42
  was standard cards and it comes in a fun tin box now uh as opposed to the old
• 59:48
  cardboard we also played I don't know how to pronounce this lost in Rel yeah
• 59:52
  that'll do which is a c game Rel
• 59:57
  cool cthulu game that plays uh as he described it it was a cross between Uno
• 1:00:02
  and Jin Ramy but with awesome awesome awesome cthulu art awesome cthulu I
• 1:00:08
  really like that game was it was a lot of fun well yeah you bought it yep both
• 1:00:12
  of those actually we we came home with yep they make good games they do um we
• 1:00:17
  played a full deck building uh board game from them too uh which
• 1:00:22
  unfortunately we did not come home with uh but at some point I like too it was
• 1:00:26
  called witches of the Revolution yeah that was good that that was cool um and
• 1:00:29
  as a history geek like the the reference is you know when they say a revolution
• 1:00:33
  they're talking to Revolutionary War and so the the references in the cards were
• 1:00:37
  were all going back to that time period and it's it's really neat it's a fun
• 1:00:41
  game um we also got to play fun little memory game called squirrel or die which
• 1:00:46
  was uh not made by Atlas but it was uh published by them it was made by the
• 1:00:51
  company fight in a box and we've actually got an interview with uh sepy
• 1:00:55
  the creat of the game who's so
• 1:00:58
  happy he is a happy guy I like sey hey with sey we're going to talk squirrel or
• 1:01:04
  die tell us a little bit about the game squirrel or die is a seven-minute game
• 1:01:09
  where you test your mental might to see if you could survive winter as a
• 1:01:14
  squirrel the most lethal backyard in the history of board gaming and uh how does
• 1:01:19
  the game work how do how do we play this out okay it has two phases Autumn where
• 1:01:24
  we're going to hide stuff and winter when we're going to eat the stuff or get
• 1:01:27
  eaten by the stuff that we hid very cool and uh and and how do I win against the
• 1:01:34
  other players in the in the game in Autumn you're going to secretly hide
• 1:01:38
  food and traps all over the backyard and in Winter it is your job to make sure
• 1:01:43
  you eat food and avoid the traps trying to outs survive everyone else so you'll
• 1:01:48
  get three hit points the person in Winter who uh makes it all the way to
• 1:01:53
  the end is the winner and uh how many players is the game uh up to four up to
• 1:01:59
  four cool and where can people find copies of the game where can they get
• 1:02:02
  more information about the game uh the favorite local game store any place you
• 1:02:05
  can get Gloom you could probably get squirrel or di awesome all right cool
• 1:02:10
  thank you very much yeah thank you he actually had something to add after that
• 1:02:15
  he did once we started playing the game H he started goofing around and uh and
• 1:02:19
  he want I guess he wanted to add uh add this what is the perfect stocking
• 1:02:22
  stuffer for Christmas squirr or D it has artist by Graham Jud who worked with his
• 1:02:28
  father to make the Illustrated botanist Guide to the Lord of the Rings that is
• 1:02:32
  fascinating trivia it is really it's really awesome he and his dad his dad's
• 1:02:36
  a professor for botany from Florida and uh he's an illustrator and he's done
• 1:02:42
  this version the original version of squirrel die was a handmade tile version
• 1:02:46
  that I made myself I made 1,200 of these by handmade I mean I put it in a laser
• 1:02:51
  machine a laser machine is basically fire it Pew peed all over the laser that
• 1:02:55
  I had to scrub them so they're shiny and then uh we hand printed the bags and
• 1:03:00
  then we sold all those that's how I went convention to Convention to uh get a
• 1:03:04
  community big enough to Kickstart our other game into the line that's awesome
• 1:03:07
  and now you hear hear you our packs yes thanks to Atlas Atlas uh distributes all
• 1:03:11
  our games very cool all right thank you again absolutely we picked up a cool
• 1:03:16
  game um from hasashi Hayashi uh called Oki doki which looked like a it was a
• 1:03:22
  free game we were a little skeptical about it until we had few spare minutes
• 1:03:26
  sat down and played it and it's actually a very difficult it's intense yeah yeah
• 1:03:32
  especially to play as a team it can be played um Solo or it can be played as a
• 1:03:37
  team uh where you don't really talk about what cards you have but you have
• 1:03:40
  to go in uh numerical order it's pretty fun it's kind of solitar is it's
• 1:03:45
  definitely fun but yeah it's not definitely it's not a kids game like no
• 1:03:48
  no hell no got little cute animals on it I thought it was a children's game yeah
• 1:03:53
  yeah the name is oky DOI and it's got little cute animals was playing a music
• 1:03:57
  like it looks definitively like a little kids game like you know a a 5-year-old
• 1:04:02
  type of game yeah totally dude it's it's impossible yeah it's really
• 1:04:08
  hard it's probably not hard people people are laughing at us right now
• 1:04:12
  they're like what that kids game yeah right no six-year-old play that when the
• 1:04:17
  guy gave it to us right he's like you know I played this for 3 hours one night
• 1:04:20
  and won it once and in my head I'm like it's a [ __ ] kids game no that's not
• 1:04:24
  true and then we sat down and I was like oh my God you want it period like you want it
• 1:04:30
  ever yeah it seems like you'd have to there is a bit of luck involved with how
• 1:04:35
  the cards get dealt and everything like that I don't know well maybe that's not
• 1:04:39
  true but it feels like it's not necessarily always possible to win if
• 1:04:44
  you get what you get what I'm saying M like I don't know that might not be the
• 1:04:48
  case maybe it is play tested and it is always feasible but I feel like it's not
• 1:04:55
  I it didn't seem like either we screwed ourselves when we
• 1:05:00
  played it or it wasn't possible to win if you know what I mean could be the
• 1:05:05
  former I'll be honest the game that I wish we could have played but he was
• 1:05:09
  actually all out of copies of the game was necronomicards yeah now we got drawn
• 1:05:14
  to this by the I I just want to hang all these cards on my wall so the the art on
• 1:05:18
  that is so good that my wife went through the business cards I collected I
• 1:05:21
  unplugged pulled that one out and was like oh my God I love this we're
• 1:05:25
  speaking with Andy Hunt the uh arst and designer of the necronom cods CoD game
• 1:05:30
  how you doing could you tell us a little bit about the game uh yeah absolutely
• 1:05:33
  it's a super fast and easy game to learn how to play uh you have two decks of
• 1:05:37
  cards spells and summons spell cards have different magic symbols that you're
• 1:05:41
  trying to match together to essentially create a summon spell you want to find
• 1:05:45
  like two match or three matching pairs or two pairs of triplets like three of
• 1:05:49
  one symbol and three of another symbol when you find that you can discard those
• 1:05:52
  to draw a card from the summon deck summon decks have various monsters
• 1:05:56
  demons mythological creatures lovecrafting and Elder Gods urban
• 1:05:59
  legends anything that I thought would be fun and creepy to put in the game and
• 1:06:03
  each of those cards also has an action that either helps you or hurts one of
• 1:06:07
  your friends which is one of the most fun things you can possibly do right uh
• 1:06:10
  the first person to play seven summon cards wins the game it's super simple
• 1:06:14
  easy to learn um you can play two to four players takes about 30 to 45
• 1:06:19
  minutes to play a game so it's a good filler game but still has a little bit
• 1:06:22
  of meat to it uh and if you go to necronomicards expansion coming out in about a month
• 1:06:28
  okay very cool and then uh yeah it's it's sold out here at Pon plug so you
• 1:06:32
  you have to get it through the website uh and definitely check out the website
• 1:06:35
  cuz you 's fantastic you a really good job thank you so much I really
• 1:06:38
  appreciate it all right thanks for talking to us it's actually sold out on
• 1:06:40
  the website as well at the moment oh my God but uh there is a mailing list so I
• 1:06:45
  would recommend you go to necronom cards.com and join that mailing list
• 1:06:49
  because these are awesome every kind of Gothic horror monster you can think of
• 1:06:55
  he also thought of and he has made an a really great artwork for even if you
• 1:06:59
  don't play the game you could just like Mount those cards on your wall oh yeah
• 1:07:03
  they are so gorgeous congratulations like you sold every copy of the game
• 1:07:07
  like that's awesome like uh I imagine that's probably probably feels pretty
• 1:07:12
  good I think by day two also I don't want to uh hurt your guys' wallets too
• 1:07:17
  much but um he's actually selling T-shirts of the what okay what's the
• 1:07:21
  website if you just goom necronom cards.com follow it through think is
• 1:07:27
  down at the Bottom t Fury interview oh wow look at him so you're going to be
• 1:07:31
  getting that plague doctor the Pence oh yeah yeah oh my God that's
• 1:07:39
  awesome all right we got a a brief chance to play a
• 1:07:44
  new game from Big Potato who are the creators of coup M which is a very fun
• 1:07:50
  game where you lie and accuse your friends of lying uh if you haven't
• 1:07:55
  played it you should definely check it out it's fun uh chameleon is similar in
• 1:08:00
  that it's a kind of a social party game
• 1:08:03
  uh but you are given a sheet that either
• 1:08:07
  has a grid to look up a word like it's got like a numbers across the top and
• 1:08:13
  the side and it's a grid you can you you roll two dice you take the numbers on
• 1:08:18
  the dice to look up on the grid what the word is but one person gets a card that
• 1:08:24
  just says you are the ion so they don't know what the word is and then it goes
• 1:08:29
  around a circle and everybody says one word that describes the the item so it's either a
• 1:08:35
  food or it can be like a it can be anything like
• 1:08:39
  a a device you know like we got eggs for example so everyone goes around and says
• 1:08:45
  a word that they associate with eggs without saying eggs and without being
• 1:08:48
  too obvious because you don't want the chameleon to know what the word is and
• 1:08:52
  then the point of the game is to discover Who is the who's pretending
• 1:08:56
  that they know the word but doesn't really and uh that's the game really and
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  it's uh it's fun it kind of reminded me of um faking it you know the jackbox
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  game in um the third party pack yes where somebody has no idea but they're
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  just pretending that they are also on board you just want to fit in with what
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  everyone else is saying yeah but yeah it could it it I could see
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  it being very funny because as the chameleon you could completely draw the
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  wrong conclusions from what everyone said saying and then you know like say
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  say something ridiculous so uh yeah that that was fun they uh they almost sold
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  out of copies of that too I believe they may have by the end check that out at
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  Big pot.com sorry big po.com now listeners if any of you got a chance to
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  play sword and sorcery over the weekend please write in because James may have
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  been your DM yes yeah um so we thought about interviewing somebody who was
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  running those games and then just realized it was me so there's there's no
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  need um so James tell us about sword and sorcery so sword and sorcery is
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  um [ __ ] it's [ __ ] no sorry I wow
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  [Music] uh
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  um all right so if you've ever wanted to play Dungeons and Dragons with your
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  friends but they don't want to play Dungeons and Dragons because it scares
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  them or you know they don't want to put the time into it sword and sorcery is
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  the place to go um sword and s is a RPG it's a board game based RPG you're going
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  to be creating Maps you're going to be playing a storyline um it did an amazing
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  job of working through combat working through storyline having all of this
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  played out on the table in front of you um where even the where all players are
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  working together um and you're playing against the board the board is dming
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  itself um so for those of you who don't really kind of understand that concept
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  enemies are coming out and they have an AI built into them so the players will
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  play the enemy and you don't know what's happening in the game until it happens
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  there's a book of secrets I mean I guess you could read the book of secrets ahead
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  of time but that's just don't um so as the person who sets the game up you're
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  still getting surprised by what's happening in the round that you're
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  playing which is really cool um one of the aspects I love about sword and
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  sorcery is it finally brings alignment to the board game tabletop so alignment
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  in RPGs has always been a huge Factor in how your character plays out and how
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  storyline progresses and they they brought that into a a miniature combat
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  based game in such a brilliant way um your characters do have an alignment um
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  there can be I believe it was chaos lawful or neutral um and depending on
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  their alignment actually changes how that character can personally progress
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  the skills they they can get over time um but it also changes the storyline and
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  what happens in the game so depending on who kind of STS up this next some of the
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  storyline pieces your alignment is going to change the decisions you make and so
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  it's just an absolutely fantastic game uh right now they have the first uh act
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  one is fully released um and you're looking there seven chapters in act one
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  so you're probably talking somewhere between about 14 and 16 hours of
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  gameplay in that um and that's just one single run through uh it comes with
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  enough characters in the game that there's replayability and again because
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  of this align Factor you can actually replay the same character but completely
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  differently and you can replay the same chapters but find different things
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  inside of it um so there there really is replayability to this game and it's a
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  it's a ton of fun U this is one of the games that we have in rotation um at our
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  gaming day uh what do you got I mean you guys play it what are your thoughts on
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  it it's got a lot of nods to other games that we've played for instance it's it's
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  narrated by someone very similar to decard Kane um there a lot of in jokes I
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  mean they make sense in the game but you wouldn't really pick up on it unless
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  You' played other RPGs yeah I really enjoy it it's uh it does it takes away
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  like the it's D and D light right yeah yeah yeah like you can play and it's
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  kind of like D and D but you don't have to like uh like the the DM doesn't have
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  to come up with the whole scenario and everything like that everybody can play
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  like everybody's a player there's no one person who's kind of takes on another
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  role so it's and and so it's completely cooperative uh in that sense and you
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  don't have to come up with your own character you don't have to like it
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  takes a lot of the like you said the scariness out of playing D and D for the
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  first time yeah it's it's like a board game video game mhm yeah it's that
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  awesome intro um so when I was running demos there um I got to run about four
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  or five different demos um I had groups come in uh multiple times I had groups
• 1:13:50
  come in where you know it's a husband and a wife team and one of them is the
• 1:13:54
  gamer and the other one is it's here cuz well I had nothing else to do on a
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  Friday and I might as well come with you um Father and Son team where you know
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  the kid is super into games and the father is just being supportive um and
• 1:14:07
  this is the game where they all sat down everybody looked at it and the gamers
• 1:14:10
  were like yeah I'm so excited The non- Gamers were like I'm so nervous um and
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  then after playing for 20 minutes half an hour The non- Gamers were into it um
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  it was simple enough for them to pick up on it was deep enough for for them to to
• 1:14:25
  Really grab into it and they loved being able to take those actions do those
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  those special unique traits that only their character had but the game is laid
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  out so cleanly that it was easy for them to play with and I think that's that's
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  what makes it such a nice little introduction into this world uh we got
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  to see a few of the Dungeons and Dragons based panels at packs uh my favorite of
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  them was the dice Camera Action panel and the Friday night I really enjoyed
• 1:14:50
  that panel I thought they did a a great job of playing d and d and making it
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  entertaining uh it was really good that's dice Camera Action is an official
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  series from Wizards of the Coast the creators of Dungeons and Dragons uh you
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  can check it out on YouTube on the official Dungeons and Dragons channel uh
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  and also on Twitch I believe they stream the whole thing live when they play uh
• 1:15:12
  like they did a pan they did it live at the at the at packs but they also do it
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  I think every week uh on on the twitch
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  channel so it's run by Chris Perkins uh who is the dungeon master to the
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  Stars uh and yeah check it out and we
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  also saw the acquisition Inc panel The A Team the uh the original Acquisitions
• 1:15:36
  Inc with uh with Jerry and Mike From Penny Arcade also run by Chris Perkins he's a
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  great yeah he is um's I think he does a very good job of uh keeping the story
• 1:15:48
  moving um if they get caught up on something he's very fast at making a
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  slist transition he's an expert at hurting cats that's true that's
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  true um and I think one of the things I love that he does a lot is he says yes
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  um and and by that I mean you know as a DM your players come at you a lot and
• 1:16:07
  they're like oh I want to do this thing or don't I get to roll this extra die
• 1:16:10
  because I did blah blah blah um I guess it's called pulling a Patrick ruffus um
• 1:16:16
  yes and and Chris is he's he's amazing and being like you know what yeah like
• 1:16:20
  let's let's roll it this is Dungeons and Dragons is a cooperative storytelling
• 1:16:25
  game at its core right um and as a DM he gets that and he he rolls with it and
• 1:16:31
  it's so clean he sets up such a great world and then really lets his players
• 1:16:35
  kind of take it to where they want mhm well that's the whole concept behind uh
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  improv as well the the yes
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  and right which is what makes D and D great because otherwise it's kind of
• 1:16:50
  just one person running the whole show yeah I feel like the best D and D
• 1:16:54
  games Cooperative like when I say that I know that I know that it's Cooperative
• 1:16:58
  but you know I I think the dungeon MAA isn't telling everybody what to do he's
• 1:17:04
  just kind of moving around and helping people navigate what they want to do
• 1:17:10
  we've actually got a special surprise for you listeners um surprise we spoke
• 1:17:14
  to Mike Cameron from dog Mite he he used to be a game developer but has since
• 1:17:19
  moved into woodworking um and now has this huge company and they make
• 1:17:24
  beautiful dice boxes um and playmat dice rollers that double as uh hangable art
• 1:17:30
  MH and he has given us a dice box to share with you
• 1:17:36
  guys um we've got an interview with him that we will play shortly but what we
• 1:17:40
  want you to do is to email us with your game pitch and we will choose our favorite
• 1:17:47
  and send you a dice box you can see some pictures of it we will post it on the
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  Facebook the Twitter and the Instagram so you can go and follow us um M
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  nerdgasm on Twitter uh multip nerdgasm on Instagram and facebook.com/ multipl
• 1:18:01
  nerdgasm you can get in touch with us in any of those ways or you can email us at
• 1:18:06
  info@ multipl orgasm.com unfortunately we are going to have to
• 1:18:10
  limit this to us listeners only because we are not rich and cannot afford it's
• 1:18:15
  real expensive to send stuff can't to sh expensive I have to send my family
• 1:18:20
  things sometimes in Australia it's real expensive guys but you can go on and
• 1:18:23
  have a look at the Box anyway and if you'd like to play for fun just let us
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  know where you're located and send us your game pitch yeah bonus points if
• 1:18:31
  it's multiple nasm based yep those bonus points will not go towards much other
• 1:18:36
  than our laughter yeah yeah you won't win the game you we'll pick the best
• 1:18:39
  game no matter what but if uh if you make it multiple orgasm you'll just earn
• 1:18:44
  points in our hearts but we will pick our favorites like our top five maybe
• 1:18:48
  and uh read those out on the main podcast that Matt does with Dan and Luke
• 1:18:52
  and you'll find out in a few weeks who who the winner of this is yeah so why
• 1:18:57
  don't we play that interview speaking to Mike from dogm uh what what do you guys
• 1:19:01
  do well dog m games we do a whole array of custom wooden gaming accessories we
• 1:19:08
  have stuff for dice we have custom pieces for Rolling trays we have
• 1:19:12
  Adventure cases for GMS we have smaller boxes for players just about anything
• 1:19:16
  you need to pimp out your game weake everything is completely customizable
• 1:19:21
  you can order it online at dog.com get the wood the felt the Finish pick all of
• 1:19:25
  your options we'll build it exactly the right way it needs to be built for your
• 1:19:28
  character and ship it right to your door that's fantastic thank you so much
• 1:19:32
  thanks yeah they're really awesome and uh I'm looking at this right now it's
• 1:19:36
  you can hear this uh it's held shut by powerful magnets that's what that noise
• 1:19:41
  is uh it's got space for a mini fig and and your dice and uh it's got a cool
• 1:19:47
  design on the outside this thing really cool so uh you want to get those entries
• 1:19:51
  in yeah look at the photos of it cuz you'll definitely want it more once you
• 1:19:55
  see it yeah and then head over to dog.com and check out their other stuff
• 1:19:59
  there's dice Towers uh like they do wallets wooden wallets they do dice uh
• 1:20:05
  card stands if you're a magic the Gathering or some other card game player
• 1:20:09
  they got it's all just really really beautiful wooden game accessories check
• 1:20:14
  them out dog.com thank you so much to Mike for giving us this to give away to
• 1:20:17
  our listeners yeah thanks so much we really appreciate it was there anything
• 1:20:20
  at packs unplugged that you guys had wanted to do but missed uh I would have
• 1:20:25
  liked to play a game of thorn watch because I backed it on Kickstarter and
• 1:20:32
  it's I still I guess in beta at this point they they still demoing it at the
• 1:20:35
  conventions and and you can play but I've never played it I uh but I I will
• 1:20:40
  eventually have a copy of it but I have not played it yet so but the line for it
• 1:20:44
  was was very long yes it was and and I'm not that
• 1:20:51
  patient yeah I feel like every time that um we've seen this game cuz it's been at
• 1:20:55
  every packs um the line is always very long and yeah we played it we're
• 1:21:00
  terrible at going to sign up for things in the morning Luke has played it so uh he I
• 1:21:06
  guess he could but he played a very early version of it I think for a few
• 1:21:08
  years ago did but he played with uh some of the designers of the game yes yeah I
• 1:21:12
  think he I don't know if he played he play with Mike actually from Penny
• 1:21:16
  Arcade yeah it was made by a few miks but yes he did play with Mike From Penny
• 1:21:20
  Arcade yeah that's what I thought I kind of wanted to play um
• 1:21:26
  vampire the Masquerade uh the RPG yeah but uh we had looked into that
• 1:21:32
  and we had discussed doing it it was a sign up there were only there were
• 1:21:35
  limited spots available I think there were only five or six um and two runs of
• 1:21:39
  that a day but it's like five hours long exactly it went for a long
• 1:21:45
  time I know I still would have liked to have done that I
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  think because I I'm very familiar with vampire the Masquerade because we had
• 1:21:53
  the books as you know when we were growing up but we just never got around to playing
• 1:21:58
  it like the we had the Dave had the manual like the the play the whatever
• 1:22:03
  the core rule book is uh and also he had a lot of the novels based around it and
• 1:22:08
  we all played the video games ire the Master Grade Redemption and and
• 1:22:12
  Bloodlines yep so I'm very familiar with the law uh so maybe we should do that at
• 1:22:17
  some point they had a lar uh vampire the Masquerade session going as well yeah
• 1:22:22
  unplugged like Lop is live action role playing for those who don't know that's
• 1:22:26
  where you actually walk around in costume and play Lightning
• 1:22:31
  Bol yeah exactly there's a what's that documentary I can't remember the name of
• 1:22:37
  it about uh kns of bad Asom oh that's a movie there's one
• 1:22:41
  called Monster Hunters or something like monster Camp monster Camp yeah that's a
• 1:22:47
  great documentary about Laing uh you should check it out it's very very
• 1:22:51
  interesting that is something that I've never done that I think I would really
• 1:22:54
  love to do yeah I agree like you know they do those weekends where they go
• 1:22:59
  it's like a Renaissance Fair almost but that is something I've always said that
• 1:23:02
  I will never do we'll do it without you well no I was just I was just going to
• 1:23:07
  say I'm assuming I'm doing it now well let's find a monster camp
• 1:23:13
  nearby and we'll do that come on it'll be fun it it I mean honestly it would it
• 1:23:18
  would honestly aome time all right and I just signed us up for one in two weeks
• 1:23:23
  oh fantastic very good um the the only thing I really
• 1:23:28
  wanted to do that I didn't get to do was go back to snap pizza and have another
• 1:23:34
  Pizza yes if you live in Philadelphia and you haven't been to snap Pizza go
• 1:23:39
  there now and then know that I hate you because you can go and get that whenever
• 1:23:42
  you want that was like legitimately that was the best [ __ ] pizza I've ever had
• 1:23:45
  in my life uh the people there were awesome they were wicked cool um
• 1:23:51
  hopefully they're listening to this now hey everybody thank you so much that
• 1:23:54
  pizza was amazing everybody at snap Pizza you guys are [ __ ] awesome yeah
• 1:23:59
  and if you guys like want to come to Rhode Island open one up down here that'
• 1:24:02
  be that'd be sweet or if you ship yeah can you deliver his pizza on
• 1:24:08
  Tuesday night here I wonder if you can get an Uber driver to bring you a pizza from
• 1:24:13
  Philadelphia I'm sure if you pay them enough are there Uber drivers with ovens
• 1:24:18
  in their car they should be if there aren't they should be all right guys if
• 1:24:23
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• 1:24:33
  your game pitches we want to get this dice box out to somebody yeah send them
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• 1:24:51
  got tears on there for us to do videos and stuff we can add some more Gam ging
• 1:24:54
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  multiple nerdgasm tocom or on our social media and if you have any game
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  suggestions for us or things that you think would translate well into a
• 1:25:10
  podcast let us know we're up for it see you peace out you don't have a cool sign
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  off James no I sorry wa am I supposed to have a cool sign off yeah I I I feel I
• 1:25:22
  feel like I was supposed I feel like I was supposed to text you tell you that
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  I'm sorry I must have oh [ __ ] um I don't know
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  bye nailed
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  it